strategy

[tidal sedge]

No one really minded CoB terminals

[vernal lion]

they will if they are lacking deploy slot

[proud drift]

They’d heal up

I didn’t mind CoB too much cause the terminals heal up after taking a hit

• they were mostly pretty tanky

[vernal lion]

just try out that 2 anni map without activating those terminal tho

[tidal sedge]

HE civs are pretty chunky

[proud drift]

With only hammer bros doing some damage

[tidal sedge]

Only holes kill them fast

[proud drift]

not so chunky when they run thru rocks or into a hole

[tidal sedge]

Eh, they can take like 4-5 rocks fine before I get nervous about their hp

That's pretty forgiving to me

[proud drift]

Okay to be fair, another thing that would’ve made this event mostly okay for me

IS IF THERE WERE NO HELIDROPS

[vernal lion]

beat this without adding any deployment,
the first map is kind easy, just the 2nd one

[proud drift]

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO HELIDROP HALF THE STAGE

[vernal lion]

because they are thief tho

[tidal sedge]

Because they knew folks would spawncamp to try to ignore mechanics

Admittedly I find it a bit annoying too

[proud drift]

It’s mostly the amount of helidrops they feed us

[vernal lion]

I mean the design of this event is quite unique

[gray stone]

folks spawn camps so that they can focus on mechanics

[proud drift]

Instead of the concept itself

[scarlet ledge]

stfu @proud drift

[tidal sedge]

But that's mostly because I'm in a rush to hit farm stages as I work 1.5 hours after maint ends

[proud drift]

I also heckin love a helidrop dropping on my Saria with -2 block so now the rocks go thru her

[proud drift]

[gray stone]

I spawn camp and then focus half my squad to just micro manage the dumbass

[vernal lion]

you want to camp bluebox, then your civis die
you want to camp redbox, then you leak
you want to protect civis, then you die for them

[proud drift]

He-7 made me glad I s2m3’d my texas

[vernal lion]

basically, you need to learn micro these stages instead of being brainded

HG will never be generous like that IC event

[tidal sedge]

I don't like the design overall, but I don't dislike it either

[vernal lion]

I really like this btw

[proud drift]

It’s fine to give us things to micro

[scarlet ledge]

skill balls

[proud drift]

It’s not fine when half the shit is not predictable

Or the micro is overall extremely expensive

[tidal sedge]

Maybe EX stages will change my mind.

[vernal lion]

the only event I don't like is Adele, it's just kind of boring

[proud drift]

There’s absolutely no reason for towers to cost 20 dp

[tidal sedge]

Statues have 20 sp cost iirc?

[vernal lion]

NL tower wants to ask you

[proud drift]

NL towers are permanent

And also aren’t necessary for some cases

[tidal sedge]

You're basically killing natural dp gen in exchange for pacifying civs, VGs can grant net gain

[scarlet ledge]

naga

[proud drift]

Until the game drops you DP stealing enemies

[scarlet ledge]

ex stages kekw

[vernal lion]

I mean, that's this event rule

[proud drift]

Or invisible CC DP risks

[tidal sedge]

So vgs are more than comfort ops for once

[vernal lion]

again, they are all THIEF

they STEAL your DP

that's fine

[proud drift]

Okay that doesn’t explain why the tower should cost 20 DP

[vernal lion]

your problem is how to solve it

[gray stone]

This event force me to take a flag

[proud drift]

I can get behind the meta of the event lore being “we came to steal ur shit”

[gray stone]

and I don't like it

[vernal lion]

I don't even use flag

[proud drift]

I can’t get behind having to spend 20 DP every 20 sec to make sure some imbeciles don’t run off a cliff

[scarlet ledge]

thats ur issue

[gray stone]

yeah because you play normally

[scarlet ledge]

i only take vigil and zima lol

[fringe jackal]

I used double flagpepe

[tidal sedge]

I'm a bit sad we didn't get more scheduling shenanigans, Poncirus seems like she'd be interesting here

[gray stone]

my ass will only take 2 laneholders every stage

[spark sinew]

cob terminals were a part of your team

[scarlet ledge]

CoB terminals is much helpful

[spark sinew]

protect them enough and your team is stronger - you can deploy more shit

[vernal lion]

Poncirus s2 is kinda bad, it's just like she can tank but DP gain is pretty shit

[spark sinew]

civs are just a drain of resources so it feels bad

[scarlet ledge]

just use normal pioneer

lol

[vernal lion]

yea, just use Fang

and Vanilla

[tidal sedge]

I'll see for myself ig

[vernal lion]

@scarlet ledge try out the new SSS yet?

[tidal sedge]

The low dp gain doesn't seem so bad to me on paper

[scarlet ledge]

nope me lazy

i havent even done en new sss

lmfao

[fringe jackal]

new SSS...

[vernal lion]

this boss is hillarious

[gray stone]

SSS mentioned

send nuclear warhead

[limpid siren]

Sounds great, sign me up

[vernal lion]

well

if you can use her as a mini tanker

[limpid siren]

I already leave texas on the field for my blind runs

[gray stone]

Igneus, how is Poncirus vs Grani

[limpid siren]

Well

Grani’s problem is largely her dogshit cycle

Like if we ignore normal human beings for a moment

Then vg reed is a fine unit, and grani is like okay too

But grani really wanted a faster cycle than she has

[vernal lion]

max Poncirus with s2m3 has 677 def

[tidal sedge]

Hm?

[limpid siren]

It’s just 2020 op design

[limpid siren]

Isn’t it like 800+

[tidal sedge]

I remember Poncirus reaching 800

[gray stone]

wdym ignore normal human beings

[limpid siren]

Like advice for the average player

[gray stone]

oh yeah

[limpid siren]

You can make a lot of “bad” units work, but it doesn’t mean people should advise others to use them

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion i think i cna do sss now without crash

i have new phone

[vernal lion]

s2m3 is +35% atk, +65% def right?

[tidal sedge]

Folks understandably care about the best and upper echelon of stuff

[vernal lion]

her base def is 360 + 50

[tidal sedge]

Are you forgetting module base stats and module trait

[vernal lion]

so it's 37 def

yea it's 800 when she's blocked too

[gray stone]

ya, anything below 6 stars are out-classed and pretty much fodders before their upgrade

except for a few units

[vernal lion]

right

[gray stone]

nice napkin maths

[limpid siren]

it's 777 without blocking

lucky girl

[tidal sedge]

That's really funny given her lore

[scarlet ledge]

@gray stone this is enough for sss right kekw

[limpid siren]

haven't seen her lore yet

[tidal sedge]

Or character trait rather

[limpid siren]

but

[gray stone]

get yourself a flagship phone

[tidal sedge]

Her gimmick is being hella unlucky

[limpid siren]

i've heard that the idea behind her in is4 is that the stat multipliers there let her break 1k def when blocking

[vernal lion]

@scarlet ledge did they just copy LT-2 map from Mama John to Towerhill lol?

[limpid siren]

and that this is somewhat relevant enough to make her a valid option

that looks like an old OD map

or maybe i'm dreaming

[tidal sedge]

Vg that transitions to being a mini-brick is just a neat design idea to me in general

[limpid siren]

i find myself using double pioneer more lately

throwback to when i was a new player and used texas/zima

[gray stone]

Does Bagpepe count as one or she's cringe because she also hits like a truck

[limpid siren]

we went full circle

[limpid siren]

just not really something i think about tbh

[tidal sedge]

She's kind like how Plat is to most other marksmen by doing the opposite of what the branch usually does

[scarlet ledge]

reverse lol

ask big yellow

[gray stone]

Defensive Vanguard isn't a new idea tbh

Courier is from launch, and Grani is 2 weeks after

[scarlet ledge]

courier

[limpid siren]

zima erasure

[scarlet ledge]

no one use zima except me

[limpid siren]

?

[tidal sedge]

True, but they have flaws I find more annoying

[gray stone]

Zima doesn't stand out as a Defensive Vanguard and more like a really thick all-round stick

at least to me

[scarlet ledge]

its true

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye i e2 insider

igneus

gib me mats for s2

[limpid siren]

go farm

[scarlet ledge]

wtf

[limpid siren]

but yea, zima s1 is about

500ish def

[tidal sedge]

Event shop subsidizes a good chunk of it doesn't it

[scarlet ledge]

i only use s2 if extra dps is needed but thats so rare on bearknights

feet

[gray stone]

Is it me being schizo or did people use to separate Pioneers by Defensive and Offensive

[scarlet ledge]

ye

[tidal sedge]

They do/used to

[proud drift]

They still do

[scarlet ledge]

stfu @proud drift

[gray stone]

Back then Vanguards has like 3 archetypes so that's understandable I guess

[tidal sedge]

It tapered off after official branch designations

[limpid siren]

Yea

[proud drift]

Can’t really put texas and courier in the same category n such

[turbid badge]

agents top

[scarlet ledge]

@gray stone mumu gaming

[turbid badge]

[scarlet ledge]

[turbid badge]

leite reborn wtf

i was gonna ping i e2 the man eater

[wary wing]

it actually got forgotten after flametail, siege and saga had both stats covered

unlike the 3, 4 and 5star versions

[limpid siren]

Bearless behaviour

[scarlet ledge]

wtf

stfu dont remind me of my leto pulls

[turbid badge]

🐻 🍖

[scarlet ledge]

50+ no leto at all

NO LETO AT ALL

😭

[tidal sedge]

Oof

[gray stone]

Vanilla is best kkept forgotten

[turbid badge]

did u get degen

[scarlet ledge]

yes

ill myself

[gray stone]

She is so pointless

[turbid badge]

is that why u left

no leto

have to borrow from cn stranger

[scarlet ledge]

i use vanilla more

[proud drift]

Was it?

[scarlet ledge]

than fang

[gray stone]

cringe

[proud drift]

P.sure low rarity guide makers would still use defensive offensive

[scarlet ledge]

no u

[proud drift]

To distinguish what kinda vg you need

[vernal lion]

they make this map look like colosseum lol

[gray stone]

ye i play 72 star squad

[proud drift]

For 6* tho yeah powercreep moment

[wary wing]

cuz you are watching guides from 2020

[scarlet ledge]

kinda cringe map

[proud drift]

[weak gazelle]

only 50 pulls still small
~100 and harmonie didnt show up at all🚬
thankfully she show up now

[proud drift]

Might’ve been

Don’t remember when was the last time I needed a guide ngl

[vernal lion]

well we have this too

[tidal sedge]

Bad 5* luck is sad to see

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion brainrot is getting to me

[tidal sedge]

5* enjoyers don't deserve it

[scarlet ledge]

kekl

[weak gazelle]

well this time spuria avoid me which is... i grateful in some way

[vernal lion]

the only 4 star that I haven't got max pot yet is Humus

[tidal sedge]

You rolled for Exfed Arkhy?

[scarlet ledge]

thats expected

[weak gazelle]

being honest just to fill laterano faction

and now i miss spuria

[tidal sedge]

4* pool is little bloated these days, I still don't have pot 6 Chestnut

[weak gazelle]

all out on thypon banner for Santalla

and hopefully some ponchirus within 24 pulls

[wary wing]

el
I got like 4 chestnuts pulling for exalt

[tidal sedge]

Sounds decently likely, Poncirus is solo rateup

[wary wing]

I'm still angry at my P1 black night after my 120 pulls in ling banner

[limpid siren]

P6 5* within 75 pulls is pretty realistic in my experience

[weak gazelle]

it just not sure if build ponchirus is the right choice yet

[tidal sedge]

I'm hoping for at least pot 4 for her

[wary wing]

Kermit said
poncirus good for is4

[limpid siren]

Yea i just want the def pot and im happy

Kermit says a lot of shit

Suspicious fellow

[tidal sedge]

Igneus and I are gonna build so you could test drive her via ours

[wary wing]

at least he doesn't say
what was it
spuria for is3?

[limpid siren]

[tidal sedge]

What

Why

[weak gazelle]

ahh right thanks in advance
idk, ~800 def from pioneer look interesting

[vernal lion]

Spuria s1 user

you forget that is 50% chance, so like there's 50% to do NOTHING

[weak gazelle]

but i just can't picture where that +def use in actual battle yet

[gray stone]

man I wish my back log can clear up faster

to build actual fun units

[vernal lion]

def is only good when it's over 1000

[gray stone]

The last time I did it I built Indigo

[wary wing]

it was something about
is4 rushing you
and you needing dp
and some ATK
so poncirus stat spread was ideal for some F1 maps in is4

[vernal lion]

that 2 amongus maps

[wary wing]

because all other 5star vgs either leaked or folded

[tidal sedge]

Zima doesn't work?

[limpid siren]

Kinda depends

[wary wing]

she leaked, as I understood it
I haven't seen the map myself

and poncirus has noticeable higher Def than zima

[tidal sedge]

10 second skill duration moment maybe

[tidal sedge]

Hm. I remember calcing they are the same. But Zima has very short duration

[weak gazelle]

70 sec needed to reach 2nd activation
looking at this number are kinda gloomy but well... need to see it in actual battle

[wary wing]

man

exalt

is a peak "full investment" unit

the performance difference between slvl7 modless and m3 mod3

is insane

[gray stone]

yeah

I was feeling like

[weak gazelle]

blame that busted mod

[limpid siren]

Hmm

[gray stone]

his sl7 ass was not good

[limpid siren]

I heard eyja > exec

How true is this?

[wary wing]

wow

healing > DPS

insane

[gray stone]

Oh yeah you saw the chart

funny content creator

[wary wing]

have you seen s3 mastery gains?

[limpid siren]

[gray stone]

added bonus points for being a limited unit

[spark sinew]

show the chart, i want to lighten the mood

[limpid siren]

The quercus chart?

[gray stone]

no

DragonGJY graph

[tidal sedge]

The voting poll

Oh

Maybe it's not what I'm thinking of

[gray stone]

The guy that puts Eyja higher than both Typhon and Exalter

[lapis hornet]

i value eyja more than either tbh but probs not for same reason lul

[scarlet fulcrum]

Smtimes ppl simp

[gray stone]

probably added bonus points because she was limited
Does not explain why Degenbrecher was over all of them tho

[spark sinew]

being limited is fair point though
if you skip something and it's needed to you later, good luck getting the operator

[lapis hornet]

shining op?

[spark sinew]

meanwhile with executor you can wait for rerun, get spooked by him, or just selector

[limpid siren]

Yea this one

So eyja > exec or???

[lapis hornet]

who cares just have them all

[weak gazelle]

i just see it right now
and for reaper that's i wouldnt say big gain but not small either

[spark sinew]

for you both are bad

[wary wing]

look at the sp cost

[spark sinew]

neither have super good base skills, and you don't use them in battle

[lapis hornet]

idk if I wanna pull typhon tho she seems kinda sleeper

[scarlet fulcrum]

Legit, u can just borrow common op too

[tidal sedge]

Sleeper in performance or just boring kit

[wary wing]

it goes from 30 > 24
and the atk bonus goes from 5% to 6% per ammo

[scarlet fulcrum]

[tidal sedge]

Or both perhaps

[lapis hornet]

kit, performance looks good on paper but not ground breaking?

[weak gazelle]

ohh yeah 6 hit shorter
that big one

[limpid siren]

Im not shu lmao

[tidal sedge]

Her kit bores me too. My eyes kinda glazed over reading it the first time.

[scarlet fulcrum]

2023 ops be like, either so so or utility

Defender still respected tho

[wary wing]

exalt, chungus, Jess, reedic, Typhon, hoederer, Degenbrecher

utility where? I only see damage

[scarlet fulcrum]

That departement improved as always

[weak gazelle]

anyway i agree with what Crom say about exealter

[proud drift]

Or neither

[weak gazelle]

either go big or go home kind of ops

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh yea eyjalt kinda straightforward too

[vernal lion]

just uninstall the game

[lapis hornet]

can degen helidrop

[wary wing]

she can't

[lapis hornet]

man I need more ppl for the 1p squad smh

[proud drift]

Wish I could

Viviana exists

[gray stone]

Nah I meant this one

[weak gazelle]

eyjaberry uhh ...
how do i say it about her maybe too strong or too QoL

[tidal sedge]

Maybe this person really digs healers

[gray stone]

It's DragonGJY

[tidal sedge]

I have no context for that name

[lapis hornet]

isn't that igneus's buddy

[scarlet fulcrum]

Arturia eyjaberry more tempting for me tbh the rest wait for 2024

[gray stone]

maybe

[lapis hornet]

the guy who does module thing

[limpid siren]

Where’s quercus???

[gray stone]

There are a lot of module guys, but he did the tier list/priority guide

[limpid siren]

[gray stone]

Speaking of module guys, how is Aethervoid

[lapis hornet]

degen getting a lot of hype tho for what seems like irene with bigger numbers

[latent monolith]

I do think exec is too low here

[limpid siren]

bro quit ak ten years ago

he still bitches about it in 25th night server or something

[proud drift]

How does it know which units will rerun and which won’t?

[gray stone]

his list is still getting updated despite that

[proud drift]

Like

Degen is very new

[limpid siren]

yea look at the credits

[gray stone]

Vignette banner

[proud drift]

But is marked as “will rerun”

[latent monolith]

She's not a vignette

[gray stone]

You can tell by what kind of event they are ran along

[latent monolith]

Typhon is

Regular event = has rerun

[gray stone]

Chapter releases, Vignettes won't be reran

[proud drift]

TIL those events are called vignette

[latent monolith]

I'm not sure if that's the official name somewhere but they're called that pretty often

[lapis hornet]

I call them crappy events cause they got worse shop than rerun smh

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dead weeks with style

[gray stone]

basically that

[vernal lion]

Typhon being delayed makes me happy lol

[tidal sedge]

No OP gain means I risk running out during reruns

[proud drift]

Not just worse shops

Worse drop efficiency too

[gray stone]

Dorothy rerun delayed likely

[tidal sedge]

I'm a bit worried we'll get back to back reruns in the future

[gray stone]

I will pull on every single banner

[latent monolith]

I hoped exec would be delayed because I didn't have pulls, got him and stainless in my first 10 pull

[gray stone]

in the future

so I need all the delays I can get

[gray stone]

these are WIPs so I understand
Actually I hope the entire chart is WIP tbh

[lapis hornet]

uh 5 in advanced seems p unfair if you're giving eyja and typhon a 6 lulwut

[limpid siren]

5 for advanced is a kick in the teeth

[vernal lion]

Typhon weakness is she's ranged op

[lapis hornet]

ya

[latent monolith]

Meanwhile zafang: top 3 op

[limpid siren]

top 3 overall is probably too generous

top 3 guard sounds fair

[scarlet fulcrum]

2nd pic actually nice

[proud drift]

Eyja alter full map healing?

Is that like

HPS passive

Or actual healing

[tidal sedge]

Her s3 gives her global range

[proud drift]

What the fuck

[latent monolith]

Yeah, he's like second to ling in how fast he's been grinding arkrec records

[proud drift]

That’s kinda nice

[latent monolith]

but yeah top 3 is prob high

[opal kiln]

no one uses eyja s3

s1 ftw

[latent monolith]

I'd still rate him definitely in the very meta tier

[limpid siren]

i think

tbh

[lapis hornet]

what's meta though, other than units often used by ppl you copy

[limpid siren]

it hurts that he didn't release as his moduled state

[gray stone]

probably arguing that he is "replaceable" (he proceeds to blow everyone out of the water)

[limpid siren]

a lot of cn opinion seems coloured by his actual release state

but, even more than that, not everyone cares to mald rng for his peak performance

[tidal sedge]

It's very interesting we got reaper module early tbh

[limpid siren]

and in a full squad scenario, he is replaceable

[lapis hornet]

man idk look at how much hype rosa module got

[limpid siren]

rosa has tits

[lapis hornet]

okay lol fair

[south bone]

[gray stone]

Typhon got her module on release
She also has tits

[limpid siren]

but yea idk

uh

[south bone]

Saying as if exe doesn't

[limpid siren]

for rosa module

aethervoid was here banging the drum on it

day in day out

and aether had established themselves as a "listen to this" kinda person for ako

[lapis hornet]

it's not just ako tho.even gamepress was on it

[weak gazelle]

he is the one who make rosa mod propaganda?

[latent monolith]

I'm shilling exec here day in day out people didn't listen to me

[limpid siren]

gamepress cared about rosa module?

[lapis hornet]

they rated her s+ after module

[tidal sedge]

Its a matter of clout

[gray stone]

I'm pretty sure half of #help was telling people to go pull Exalter

[lapis hornet]

cause mode hype says drails

[limpid siren]

[turbid badge]

that dragongy video was poweerfuk

[latent monolith]

In my experience esp until very recently everyone wanted typhon more

[limpid siren]

hmm

time to argue for rosa down when typhon releases

[gray stone]

powerful at making people skipping for Typhon

[limpid siren]

that's a winning argument i think

[gray stone]

he kinda oversold his weaknesses

[spark sinew]

they probably still do

[limpid siren]

the alternative is typhon ex, and i don't think that flies

[lapis hornet]

as long as typhon isn't ex fine by me lol

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its like i rated Absinthe higher after module

[spark sinew]

go to #help on the time typhon banner is up and lord have mercy if you say anything not in her favor

[limpid siren]

pozy probably loses ex when typhon drops

[latent monolith]

I will die on typhon mid hill in order to provide balance

[gray stone]

People keep shilling Typhon boss killing as if they would use anything but S2

[latent monolith]

She's good op tho

[turbid badge]

how long to fully charge?

80 secs

[spark sinew]

#help still thinks s3 is her "main" skill btw

[turbid badge]

or was that ponicirus

[gray stone]

About Thorns constantly attacking long

78s?

I forgot

[turbid badge]

oh

[latent monolith]

78 yea

but auto rec

Thorns constantly attacking is lower

69

[gray stone]

Nah

I think a lot of people started to parrot S2 now

[latent monolith]

Do you guys remember the bilibili showcase of exec vs chalter after his mod came out?

[gray stone]

No

[latent monolith]

I was looking for it

[spark sinew]

that's good

last time i went i saw this

[gray stone]

that's not a reg helper
more like reg questioner

[spark sinew]

almost as if it's mud s2 vs s3 moment

when it's not really

[gray stone]

for Mud S2 vs S3, people started selling S2 in the most unbiased way possible

[latent monolith]

new wiki is okay with taking info from datamine

iirc old wiki didn't do that?

[gray stone]

which one?

PRTS has always taken datamine info iirc

[latent monolith]

The wiki.gg one

https://arknights.wiki.gg

[proud drift]

I’m a bit confused reading typhon s3

Does she fire 10 bullets

[gray stone]

that one? they just started to copy PRTS I guess

[proud drift]

Each every 4 seconds or so?

[strange fable]

anyone here know if bard healing stacks, ik the bard inspire buff does not

[proud drift]

[latent monolith]

I'm talking about like event dates and stuff

[gray stone]

Yes

[latent monolith]

Healing stacks

[spark sinew]

yeah she has max 10 attacks on s3

[strange fable]

Oh nice

[proud drift]

Cuz her s3 looks kinda stinky compared to s2

[limpid siren]

isn't this the exact same premise

[proud drift]

It looks like a big burst

But the attack delay is so big

[spark sinew]

it's not burst but it tracks across the map

and it waits to fire until the target can be damaged

so phase transitions won't waste ammo for example

[limpid siren]

wait

[proud drift]

It’s 175%x5 every like 4 seconds with a ministun

[limpid siren]

what does burst mean to you

[proud drift]

But ig the niche you mentioned

Seems kinda nice

[spark sinew]

burst is big amount of damage dumped quickly

[gray stone]

Somethings like S3 being better but S2 works most of the time so do S2

[latent monolith]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1VX4y177w2/?share_source=copy_web found it

[tidal sedge]

The mark sticks even if that happens? Interesting

[limpid siren]

is the "quickly" part important?

[latent monolith]

Ground chalter fr fr

[spark sinew]

i don't think we can call 1 attack on typhon s3 "burst"

[proud drift]

I think burst is more just big chunk of damage at a single moment

Something like typhon s3 would imo fit it

[tidal sedge]

That somewhat improves my opinion of Typhon, hm.

[proud drift]

She fires bursts of damage

Rather than doing consistent DPS

[limpid siren]

i always enjoy reading about burst vs nuke

[latent monolith]

It's more like chalter imo

[gray stone]

Her S3 DPS has been dragged for a while now

[latent monolith]

slow attacking big "dph"

[proud drift]

S2 is just more universal to use on Typhon

[gray stone]

I think for most bosses Rosa out DPS Typhon S3 🤔

[proud drift]

Whereas S3 is more killing specific threats

For which… you can prob use different ops

[spark sinew]

i never use "nuke" but yeah i can see how the distinction would be

[gray stone]

Cirno has been using her S3 to spread Schwarz > Typhon propaganda btw

[spark sinew]

nuke would probably imply you kill shit faster or with more ops?

[gray stone]

Because Schwarz S3 out DPS Typhon S3 at any DEF

[proud drift]

Nuke would imply something like buffknights Exu

[gray stone]

That's not a nuke

[limpid siren]

for me, nuke implies:

• manually activated (i.e. not a power-strike)
• total damage dumped in <4s

[latent monolith]

Nuke would be like gchen/irene/degen imo

[lapis hornet]

doesn't typhon have like 120k dmg on s3 or smth smth

[proud drift]

I wanted to use chen as an example, but thought exu is more used in buffknights

[latent monolith]

It takes over a minute

[spark sinew]

to me nuke is like buffed degen yeah

[gray stone]

Over a REALLY long amount of time, so her DPS plummets

[latent monolith]

so the dps itself isn't that high

[lapis hornet]

ya but pure dps is also a whatever metrics

like my man blitz can reach 6k dps with skalter or smth smth

[limpid siren]

cirno spreading schwarz propaganda, i am truly shocked

[latent monolith]

Our lord and savior tachanka

best dps in the game

[proud drift]

But isn’t her s3 also technically global if she locks on a target and fires regardless of range

[latent monolith]

[proud drift]

Or does her s3 change targets if mark walks out

[latent monolith]

It kind of is yeah

[spark sinew]

yeah that's the main selling point

[latent monolith]

Mark stays, and doesn't get lost in phase changes either

[spark sinew]

you mark someone and she tries to kill it until ammo runs out

[latent monolith]

10 ammo 5.5s atk interval

so takes a minute

[proud drift]

I’d see it as pretty convenient

[spark sinew]

chalter synergy trust

[gray stone]

that's the point
her S3 is for ignoring some mechanics and what not

[proud drift]

If you have bosses that especially walk around a lot

For example is2 jetpack boy

[turbid badge]

that thing reay weak

[limpid siren]

still a good example

[proud drift]

Sorry for using an example?

[limpid siren]

lol

[turbid badge]

lol

[scarlet ledge]

kekw i failed the poison map sss
i drafted the wrong sniper

awsome

[tidal sedge]

Steam Knight then

[gray stone]

You also have to isolate the target too

[lapis hornet]

I mean lock on is good, ammo is good, it's a good skill idk what there's to argue about it

[scarlet ledge]

omg pro @lapis hornet

[turbid badge]

sorry i just cant see it living typhon s3

[proud drift]

It’s a good skill just that s2 is more universal

[scarlet ledge]

who?

[proud drift]

Like

[turbid badge]

is2 jetpakcer

[gray stone]

People kinda oversold it when they saw her solo 2 phases of Patrick

[proud drift]

You bring typhon to a random map you pull out S2

[spark sinew]

everyone here agrees

[proud drift]

You bring typhon to a boss map you use s3

Simple

[turbid badge]

whats the sp cost

[proud drift]

[scarlet ledge]

omg s3 BROKEN

[turbid badge]

on s3

[scarlet ledge]

Much more meta than fedex

frfr

[tidal sedge]

40 sp cost

[spark sinew]

for boss map you can use s2 as well because it's braindead

[latent monolith]

25/40 at M3

[gray stone]

Pretty sure you still use S2 most of the time

[proud drift]

Probably

[gray stone]

to clear the mobs

[proud drift]

Depends on boss ig

[limpid siren]

what is a boss killer anyway?

[proud drift]

You can use s3 for bosses that walk out of range

[scarlet ledge]

s2 is much more used

[latent monolith]

Uninstalling the game is the best boss killer

[scarlet ledge]

s3 get fucked by enemy waves

[spark sinew]

igneus gonna run out of fuel soon

[turbid badge]

ill probably just use s3 regardless s2 sounds boring to me unless i really need the double target

[turbid badge]

so true

[limpid siren]

i can throw out bait questions for hours

[turbid badge]

u kill ak the final boss

[limpid siren]

people just don't bite anymore

[lapis hornet]

lack of skill

[spark sinew]

washed up

[gray stone]

because people know you

[limpid siren]

people just recognise me unless i hide

[latent monolith]

There are prob better people to try bait against

[tidal sedge]

Is that why you change your nick so often

[turbid badge]

dosguise

[gray stone]

That isn't fooling anyone

[scarlet fulcrum]

One of map that makes me realize wow i need healing 💀

[tidal sedge]

It gets me sometimes

[proud drift]

Is help not biting either

[spark sinew]

it worked on me once

[limpid siren]

the main reason is because it makes me laugh

[latent monolith]

Apparently silence medic is super good for it with the sp buff

[scarlet ledge]

another run kekl

[latent monolith]

idk I haven't done sss since before the change

[limpid siren]

but sometimes people take my shit opinions at face value which isn't ideal

[scarlet fulcrum]

I used ptilo+sniper+spec then sleep

[latent monolith]

igneus pls tell me astgenne is best 5 star so I can propoganda people

[limpid siren]

i saw a tier list online that says tequila > la pluma actually

[spark sinew]

was it a base tier list

or it counted IS

[scarlet ledge]

best 5★ is scene

[scarlet fulcrum]

Fest based

[latent monolith]

reminds me of that one line from love is war

[limpid siren]

wtf cringe

[gray stone]

yuh

[turbid badge]

wtf leite draft the whole hospital💀

[latent monolith]

"2 weeks have passed, and absolutely nothing of note has happened... but I think we're all used to it by now"

[scarlet ledge]

i just need a good sniper draft

[limpid siren]

[scarlet ledge]

its done

[spark sinew]

whom they're talking about though

you ain't fooling anyone, liberators don't have mod

[latent monolith]

leite doing surtr hospital but forgot the surtr

[lapis hornet]

wait if you're 50% without module and 80% with module why's he 75%

[gray stone]

Exalter

[spark sinew]

what

[latent monolith]

what

[turbid badge]

what

[limpid siren]

LOL

[latent monolith]

he's like a straight upgrade

[limpid siren]

[latent monolith]

his offskill is comparable to pluma S1

and his on skill is comparable to/better than chalter

[gray stone]

Here's what it's replying to

[scarlet fulcrum]

They simp let em be

[latent monolith]

[limpid siren]

i need this on my wall

5* sweep

[lapis hornet]

what's meta tho

[gray stone]

idk but it's not an acronym

[limpid siren]

oh i love the acronym though

because it makes sense for a game like ak

[gray stone]

people worked backwards on that one

[limpid siren]

yea

but

meta literally doesn't apply to ak

[scarlet fulcrum]

Meta 💳

[limpid siren]

unless you use the acronym

a metagame is the game beyond the game

[lapis hornet]

wdym p sure there's ak groups on meta

[limpid siren]

so it makes sense in the context of like fighting games

where your choice of fighter is informed by their favoured and unfavoured matchups

[latent monolith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagame

[limpid siren]

but in ak, this doesn't truly exist

so the "game beyond the game" is the "most effective tactics available"

doesn't it make you a little bit mad

[proud drift]

Igneus tf are you cooking

[lapis hornet]

what does effective mean tho

[limpid siren]

questions for the mind

[gray stone]

Philosophy in #strategy

[limpid siren]

it's a tl;dr for the origins of "metagame" wrt videogames

[turbid badge]

im gonna need a sarcophagus

[latent monolith]

philosophy in my ako? aintnoway

[turbid badge]

after this one

[lapis hornet]

I mean meta makes sense to me in idk league right

[limpid siren]

the original meaning of meta requires a pvp aspect

"they picked this, so i'll do that"

[turbid badge]

ohh i see it

[proud drift]

I mean META can exist in AK, it’s just an individual list for each stage at that point

[limpid siren]

or more like "i know this player likes that character, and i can play this other character that beats their preferred character"

right but that's just

the most effective tactics available

it's not a game beyond the game in the same way

[gray stone]

you cooking

[lapis hornet]

ya also, like, x is hard countered to y and y is super popular rn so x fell off, but now z came out and hardcounters y so y fell off and made x great again like donald never could

[scarlet fulcrum]

no wonder ppl selling certain character like hot cake

[limpid siren]

the backronym makes sense when the og meaning doesn't apply properly

[gray stone]

cake isn't hot

[scarlet fulcrum]

No one buy their word then

[limpid siren]

[gray stone]

Do you guys think that they can ever make a unit better than Mlynar?

[lapis hornet]

ofc they can

[gray stone]

I think we hit the ceiling last year

[lapis hornet]

honestly like, mlynar isn't even as groundbreaking as surtr

[tidal sedge]

Ceilings exist to be broken kinda

[gray stone]

oh fuck it's still 2023, so this year

[turbid badge]

lol

the cny next year gonna be cracked

FR

[weak gazelle]

its easy for them to make someone far stronger than mweener

[gray stone]

I mean, there are no real justifications to ever print something that out DPS Mlynar

Unless you make a 1 tile range unit

[lapis hornet]

when surtr came out she literally did twice the dmg of everyone else, and a 6s activation when back then the helidrops were like 15s

in comparison mlynar is like, big dmg in a land of big dmg

[limpid siren]

cake said it the other day

[lapis hornet]

like he's the biggest dmg of them all most of the time but that's about it

[limpid siren]

that enemy creep is slower than unit creep? or something like that

[lapis hornet]

ya

[limpid siren]

there's no real incentive to creep mlynar yet

[turbid badge]

creepy

[limpid siren]

but eventually there will be

[gray stone]

Or he gets his module

and raise the ceiling

again

[scarlet fulcrum]

even dr cant stop him

[latent monolith]

Imagine mlynar mod is like

exec tier

[lapis hornet]

they're doing it with the hp bloat on po/cc lol, I suspect it's in part to justify the damage creep

[limpid siren]

kermit joked a lot throughout 2023 that it was a year of reverse power creep

[tidal sedge]

Games don't powercreep just for cash grabbing, it's a necessary evil as sideways design space evaporates

[limpid siren]

yea

power creep is necessary

HG is pretty good at managing it so far

[latent monolith]

There are defintely games that do it worse yea

[gray stone]

A new damage type will open up new possibility

[limpid siren]

i think their design philosophy is rooted in the right place

[latent monolith]

Said new damage type does exist

[limpid siren]

HG designs for the average player

[gray stone]

we may enter the age of elemental damage once proper supports are out

[latent monolith]

It hasn't had much stuff tho

[vernal lion]

I think meta has like 2 types,
powercreep,
and their own tier (unable to be compared)

[gray stone]

I don't like the sound of Loopshooter tho

[limpid siren]

i think meta is just

[gray stone]

wtf are those stats

[limpid siren]

good units

nothing is incomparable

[lapis hornet]

says the guy who plays 5*

[quick pecan]

5* loopshooter pls be adnachiel alter

onegai

[limpid siren]

where's my argument starter

[turbid badge]

onegai

[latent monolith]

download btd6 and play the better game with me

[turbid badge]

hes gonna throw his halo

as a loop

[gray stone]

Nah he will be in the shitter

[quick pecan]

you cant give kroos and lava alter and not give alters to other reserve ops smh

[limpid siren]

found this top ten online, is it good?

[gray stone]

5 star Loopshooter would be an aussie because reasons

[scarlet mortar]

his damage is big but the real issue is his cycling

[quick pecan]

even hibiscus got alter

[turbid badge]

are u sure its online!

[limpid siren]

it's online now

[scarlet mortar]

you now have big phallus damage for half the stage with the only tradeoff being he can't block offskill

[gray stone]

Igneus, next GP article when

[scarlet mortar]

(literally doesn't matter)

[turbid badge]

real

does igneus actually write gp articles

[limpid siren]

i used to

i actually have an insider article to publish

[scarlet fulcrum]

The maker is 5* player no doubt

[limpid siren]

but i'm here shitposting instead

[quick pecan]

insider my husband

[gray stone]

If the cover image is a meme, 80% it's from Igneus

[scarlet mortar]

looks abt right for 5* only tbh

[turbid badge]

my favorite article was the deadeye one

[quick pecan]

saved by e2 art fr

[south bone]

Big Dogs?

[lapis hornet]

man I'm biased when it comes to mlynar cause half the time I wanna use him he gets cucked by his taunt

[turbid badge]

deadeye module

[turbid badge]

i bring him just for the talent..

[lapis hornet]

(or like his dmg doesn't even feel that good I swear sss hard mode is easier for me with suzu gg eyja than mlynar lol)

[peak cloak]

xD

[gray stone]

lmao

[peak cloak]

i will pretend that i didnt see anyfing

[gray stone]

Don't

[limpid siren]

but yea idk, christmas time has just been busy for me

[gray stone]

I'm pretty sure I have seen it before

[lapis hornet]

I'm just chilling

[quick pecan]

is this solely from a damage perspective

i’m assuming no if greyy alter

[gray stone]

It's funny you can tell who wrote the article from this list

[turbid badge]

no

[lapis hornet]

actually yeah I haven't slept all night I should go to bed instead of talking smack here lul

[quick pecan]

ok then hot take

i would remove blacknight

[turbid badge]

why would bn and greyy be there

[quick pecan]

and add shamare

[turbid badge]

if it was damage

i think greyy cuz the slow and records

[lapis hornet]

shamare isn't as good for 5*

[gray stone]

Shamare is good because she is unique

[quick pecan]

i honestly think she’s better than blacknight

[gray stone]

No one else can debuff both DEF and ATK to her caliber

[scarlet fulcrum]

Chill, Dude doesn't play 5* only

[lapis hornet]

man blacknight did 3? 4? max risks where was your shamare huh? checkmate atheists

[limpid siren]

It’s just like generalist top ten

[quick pecan]

maybe i’m just a stall hater

[limpid siren]

Shamare gets stuck in the niche section

[quick pecan]

damn niche (derogatory)

[limpid siren]

You could argue that bn should be there too

[lapis hornet]

is grey actually that good now

[gray stone]

Not the n*che

[turbid badge]

yah

[limpid siren]

But i find it more fun to leave her in the general section

[limpid siren]

Yea i was mad wrong about greyy

[quick pecan]

your average player would still put greyy in the shitter

but that module + the clears

[limpid siren]

Dude is god’s strongest second fiddle

[quick pecan]

speak for themself

[turbid badge]

wtf who first

[lapis hornet]

I mean clear can just be a simp forcing it til it works

[gray stone]

Glad to see 5 star players will pull on DV

[quick pecan]

i coped for greyy alter buff and it actually worked like wtf

[scarlet fulcrum]

Wow i thought u had high opinion on him, interesting

[limpid siren]

A bunch of them are probably just that

[quick pecan]

i just wanted to use cute puppy who i’m happy didn’t die

[limpid siren]

On release i thought he was bad

[scarlet ledge]

@turbid badge this is fucking dumb

[scarlet fulcrum]

welp, i just watched his showcase on bili like nerd before en release. Kinda unfair

[turbid badge]

i just see the greyy alter virus spread in IS than i check his records and boom it splat in my face

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can leak the boss, cause he only eat 2 hp (u can't in that pic tho)

[gray stone]

Time to spread it so that #help will parrot this propaganda

[weak gazelle]

well he is just that good
me personally just raise him on a whim and turn out he is good

[quick pecan]

in fairness flinger have bad reputation, his rng pre mod was significantly worse, and people focused on his damage (or lack thereof) too much.

[limpid siren]

Wait were there two lunacub articles???

[quick pecan]

pretty much a recipe for ppl calling him mid

[turbid badge]

lmao wtf that qani

[gray stone]

Yours and Wingsegang (Firewatch guy)

[limpid siren]

Oh wingesang

Yea

[quick pecan]

anyway shoutout to m*les being good

[limpid siren]

He never says anything in gp discord

[gray stone]

Damn I misspelt his name

[limpid siren]

Just shows up now and then to drop a banger

Windgesang?

Idk

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye fuys

guys

[limpid siren]

But i respect them

[gray stone]

Very based of him to do that

[turbid badge]

yea windgesang drop bangers

[scarlet ledge]

what should i draft on mama johns

[limpid siren]

Zima

[quick pecan]

the greyy alter simps are real though there’s a clear of some dude mentioning he tried to clear a stage pre mod 12747928384 times and then revisited once mod released

[turbid badge]

🐻

[weak gazelle]

and before i know it i put greyyter below firewatch as 2nd strongest 5* sniper

[limpid siren]

[scarlet fulcrum]

Unga bunga , deploy GG then done. Well i could leak boss tho cause only -2 hp

[gray stone]

Damn I really need to go back to my 5 star alt

[scarlet ledge]

wtf gg strat

i cringed

[gray stone]

To get Insider

[scarlet ledge]

imma go inside of u

[gray stone]

No u

[turbid badge]

ok Gummy

[scarlet ledge]

so what should i draft on mama johns?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just leak the boss

[gray stone]

Your mom

[weak gazelle]

guess time to test insider to see how he perform in an actual battle

[scarlet ledge]

fuck this shit

mizuki strat

[turbid badge]

what happened

[scarlet ledge]

me lazy today

[limpid siren]

Have him mod3 and max trust first

Or prepare to be upset

[weak gazelle]

i will borrow yours first

[limpid siren]

E2 80 sl7 insider is like

2/3 of his power

Missing trust too, but still

[scarlet ledge]

so guys

[limpid siren]

Peak is like 1.5k dph and 19 bullets

[scarlet ledge]

[weak gazelle]

hmm i see
so krooster still better aa huh

[scarlet ledge]

idk what im doing

[limpid siren]

Kroos is in a different race imo

[lapis hornet]

idk whag you're doing either dw

[scarlet fulcrum]

Bring medic

[limpid siren]

Insider is like

Vs plat or firewatch

[scarlet ledge]

i can get it later lol

stfu

twist ur balls

[limpid siren]

Vs firewatch if you’re mean

[scarlet fulcrum]

i will pick sniper/supp on the way over medic

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
i can see where that going

[scarlet ledge]

plus my medic

is skalter

[limpid siren]

Yea

[scarlet fulcrum]

Is this emergency?

[limpid siren]

From memory plat is like 1.2k hits without talent charged

[scarlet ledge]

no lol
imma do emergency later

just doing secret medal

balls

[scarlet fulcrum]

I sleep

[scarlet ledge]

emergency i can fail

[limpid siren]

But that’s about the level of performance

[scarlet ledge]

anytime

[limpid siren]

For insider

[scarlet ledge]

so thats easy

[scarlet ledge]

stfu

[turbid badge]

omg im so lucky

[scarlet ledge]

yknow that i dont play sss

[turbid badge]

a mod 3 pram friended me back

[scarlet ledge]

i despite it so much

[scarlet fulcrum]

[scarlet ledge]

flatten ur balls

[limpid siren]

Wtf could just add me

[ashen pewter]

for maleknights, are there any better male unit than SA S2 that can tank? or other better?

[scarlet ledge]

ur mom

[turbid badge]

[weak gazelle]

look bleak tbh
if plat already an equal match for him

[tropic valve]

Matterhorn if arts

[turbid badge]

Bison

[limpid siren]

@sly pivot

[scarlet ledge]

OMG CIRNO

BUY FARTOOTH SKIN

[tropic valve]

am poor

[gray stone]

Khant in the chat

Oh no I have to hide

[limpid siren]

He’s busy rn i think, but for later

[limpid siren]

Yea, i think he’s good for new players

But not good enough for old players

[spark sinew]

tank what

[gray stone]

How is the 5 star Marksman tier list looking

[spark sinew]

executor and hellagur can "tank" depending on the enemies around them, if you're not just looking at typical tanks

[gray stone]

Krooster still tops but I wanna know if BP holds up

[turbid badge]

[scarlet ledge]

bp hold below

😳

[weak gazelle]

i think igneus have it
and i agree with his list

[scarlet ledge]

@scarlet fulcrum oh so i can leak the boss on emergency too? or nuh uh

[turbid badge]

gt offnesive charge cuck?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah it still -2 hp

[limpid siren]

Gt just crushed by kroos yea

[scarlet ledge]

can you do my emergency

[limpid siren]

Exact same role

But kroos is so much stronger

[scarlet fulcrum]

[glass monolith]

Kroos alter because some people unaware she got PTSD and leveled up

[gray stone]

If we kill Kroos will GT still dead last?

[limpid siren]

Maybe idk

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dont give up leite, its one of fun map to play tbh

[quick pecan]

i’ve been liking blue poison s2 a lot more lately

[spark sinew]

what makes bp above others here, the fact that HG does some multihit mechanic occasionally?

[gray stone]

I need to grind my alt more

[limpid siren]

Multistrike and multitarget yea

[weak gazelle]

as much as i love gt
she wont go anywhere with current 5* marksman

[limpid siren]

The dph marksman snipers suffer because deadeyes exist

Platinum isn’t useless though

[gray stone]

Those content is exaltly why I keep a guy with BP support that has been offline for a year

[limpid siren]

Genuinely the only bad marksman there is gt

[spark sinew]

just ping igneus instead smh

[turbid badge]

wtf u havent raised ur anura

[limpid siren]

My bp misses atk pot

[spark sinew]

damn

[limpid siren]

Actual pain

[gray stone]

No

[turbid badge]

i only use bp s1 tho

[gray stone]

I sold my soul to get khant's supports I'm not gonna do it again

[weak gazelle]

this is where i am being mean
marksman without atk pot is defective

[limpid siren]

I’ll always make room for a new friend that will actually use my bad units tbh

[gray stone]

[limpid siren]

Yea

[gray stone]

I use them seldomly still

[limpid siren]

Kroos having no atk potential but still being the best is so funny to me

[tidal sedge]

Just simply hit them more

[limpid siren]

Just ping if you want something i have

[turbid badge]

is bp mod good

[gray stone]

[quick pecan]

oh damn greythroat is 30 atk sp i thought it was 20

it’s joever

[weak gazelle]

like you said earlier
she is different race

[turbid badge]

yah i sad she cucked by offneisve sp

[limpid siren]

All marksman mods are pretty good, just because they’re so sensitive to flat atk bonuses

Are they worth it? That’s a different question

[turbid badge]

i raise way too much marksmen

[glass monolith]

There is never enough raised marksmen