strategy

[fringe jackal]

any tips for the suicidal civilian pathing?

[latent anvil]

lee is eg'hno i don tjlike

[turbid badge]

what that mean

wgzwho u raise now exe?

[versed spire]

What's issue exactly

[fringe jackal]

how do I know where they are going to run to

or is it set per map

[latent anvil]

i dont have exe teta pro

[fringe jackal]

I'll probably just use practice plans because they run to the holes

[turbid badge]

o

[latent anvil]

just do jusyna

[signal lichen]

its set path i am fairly sure

[versed spire]

First time you don't, watch then repeat or watch them constantly

[latent anvil]

wtfart why 270 ops teta pro i only 269

[turbid badge]

i wanted to stay at 269

but ended up w no humus

but a birdie

[latent anvil]

my hunus p3

[jovial nest]

ok so one easy way to know where they will run is

[turbid badge]

i keep getting old 4 stars

[jovial nest]

there's an obvious lap between the 2 statues

if the path can be longer, they will take it

[latent anvil]

i got p218 cantabile

[bitter halo]

I despise civilians

[fringe jackal]

oh civilians actually have their path map on arkmap

eg

[latent anvil]

shove gummy into the right rock

[turbid badge]

wish justyna s2 worked better

[versed spire]

I better babysit them than memorize this

[turbid badge]

+aspd is so bad

it just lunacub s2

but worse

[latent anvil]

teta pro moosy cheeto or next

[turbid badge]

i already memorize civi

path

i fail so much

[fringe jackal]

if you click play on arkmap it will just play the animation for the route

[turbid badge]

moosy

[quick pecan]

fartooth s2 having block condition when ambriel and goldenglow say "i will hit everything no matter what”

[versed spire]

Well nice

[turbid badge]

justyna mod will just be scouts scope stuffed into her head

[quick pecan]

delta mod will be pog trust

[bitter halo]

[rose patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390756814532378634/1120076001179869234/Arknights_X_Animan_Studios.mov

this event smh

[tidal sedge]

Fortuna having random targeting is so aggravating

She can randomly just murder SA which drags out the map because the invis goon isn't revealed anymore

[turbid badge]

use ines

[tidal sedge]

Don't have her

Guess it's time for Heavyrain s2

[sour talon]

Bro I just spent like 2 hours trying HE-8 wondering why tf civs kept being off timing with everything just to realise Ines slows down both boss and civs and they were always going in front of rocks

[jovial nest]

later HE normal maps are rough to keep the civ's wellbeing good

[sour talon]

I was fine with all of them except boss map, specifically because I was messing up the boss rotation

fml

[jovial nest]

or maybe thats just me refusing to bring Flagbearers and medics

[turbid badge]

damn i shouldnt brang mostima was a good call

[sour talon]

Yeah do not

[jovial nest]

It's better if they worded this like "Can appear anywhere in the battlefield"

Yostar's ENlations once again

[sour talon]

That civvie with one hp, this is fine

God fuck this map

[turbid badge]

wtf furrilo vg army

furrilo u get exe?

[sour talon]

First 10 pull

[jovial nest]

ok so first half of the boss map is horizontal rocks?

2nd half is vertical?

also what part of Ines is slowing them?

[sour talon]

Her passive on deploy thing

Or any enemy in her attack range

[jovial nest]

sheeeesh

[meager thistle]

He-8 was so frustrating to learn since i had the same problem you guys were having i kept slowing them and initally kept placing my defender and rock blockers in the wrong spot after all the trouble and looking at the map now it is super easy

[sour talon]

It really is just the stupid slow thing, cause its hard to learn the maps when civies literally run into rocks

Curse you ines!!!

[meager thistle]

So useful but made it so much harder!!!

[frozen cedar]

the issues I was having was not really understanding the civies would path to the boss, and that the rock launchers rotate (I thought I was dealing with 6 rock launchers

[meager thistle]

Yeah it that wasn't to hard for at least rock was to me as intially on the first couple of run before i looked up their path i just put low dp ops where the rocks were and during the fight noticed some didn't get hit at all at certain times

[jovial nest]

HE-8 is so much worse than H8-4 in terms of understanding the stakes.

6 rock slides is too demanding

[meager thistle]

I havent even started those stages as i just cleared he-8

[sour talon]

Too much micromanagement, especially with the helidrop enemies on top of it

[jovial nest]

i know you only need to block 2 of em

[jovial nest]

the issue there is that's the boss doing it so it's also RNG

[meager thistle]

The rocks or the de buffs if its the debuffs for me at least they were always on the same cycle

[frozen cedar]

there are only 3 rock slides

[jovial nest]

only 3 rock slides active at a time. But the issue is you have to relocate your supposed blockers for it

Ling is almost a solid answer for this alongside Guardians/Juggs

but yeah. pretty demanding. I wonder how newbies or low rarities handle this

[meager thistle]

Yeah i wish i had blue dragon for this

[sour talon]

Just use deepcolor, surely

[jovial nest]

and yeah the boss also does annoying debuffs

worst is -block

-2 block on a goddamn normal boss map

[sour talon]

-2block when invis enemies

[jovial nest]

Imagine having to do this much heh. I'm readying Saria for the next rock slides on top. Tex2 for interception and killing those annoying DP-limit campers

[meager thistle]

Yeah almost requiring multiple defenders if you can't kill the enemy's quick enough anyone know if the debuffs apply on operator entry or only to one on field

[sour talon]

Only on field

The entire stage is meant for redeploy micromanagement and I hate it

[jovial nest]

i'm fine with it....if the rocks don't hurt this much

and also the boss making it worse with the debuffs and enemy summoning

[meager thistle]

Good to know the shenanigans ill be stepping into

[jovial nest]

it's quite the escort mission

[meager thistle]

Any clue if blemishine could be a good replacment for a non saria user min op clear since im looking for ways to trust farm it now

[jovial nest]

it's like with Talulah's UFO escort missiong

but worse

at least Tal's UFO escort adventures was fun

[turbid badge]

??

the rocks fall in the holes u can just patch them later

you only need to really block like 2

[stuck ermine]

just dont use ines like i do

[jovial nest]

I'm aware of that. But still you don't want to let some rocks fall on holes

[turbid badge]

escort mission

[jovial nest]

it creates more holes

[turbid badge]

?

if the rocks fall in the hole nothing happen

[jovial nest]

it splashes

wherever the rock makes collision

[turbid badge]

even when if falls in the hole? are you sure

[jovial nest]

it does a plus sign splash

[bold lance]

You have to block 3. One on the left and two at the top. Civs won't get hit by anything else.

[jovial nest]

thats why sometimes you just want every floor patched and block the rock that might splat on walls that will kill floors

so for phase 2 you only have to block 2.

but you wanna block the 3rd one cause the civs idle on the 3rd spot too much

and the rock splats to their location

[bold lance]

My man is cooking

[turbid badge]

tme to see now (setting up trust farm

[bold lance]

It's literally just bottom left and two in the top right.

[jovial nest]

i haven't memorized where civs idle per phase

so I'm trying to keep all floors secured just in case they lap a lot

[bold lance]

they don't

You get 10 floor tiles

[jovial nest]

but i can imagine in phase 2 you don't need to keep the left floors alive

except....I have to

or else Ling dies from hole+rock splash damage snowballing

xwait

there's ranged tiles on top left

ok Ling can be safe there

wait the fuck?

so the holed rocks don't splash. Why did that happen in other maps?

This gimmick is sometimes misinforming

[turbid badge]

oh crap splash e1 lumen go

[turbid badge]

idk

[stuck ermine]

u only need to block here i believe. just dont bring ines

[turbid badge]

crap was too late

[jovial nest]

Boss, STOP -2 blocking me!

this really warrants a couple of FRDs sometimes since they're not debuffed and can intercept what leaks

imagine a Superdragon leaking...

[limpid siren]

new enemy ui info kinda nice

[pliant furnace]

is the boss summoning rng?
doesnt this mean my autos will suck

[jovial nest]

Wow that close to dying. And it's because he debuffs the Superdragon's ASPD so badly so enemies stay for too long

don't worry about the auto much. It should save the seed

[turbid badge]

the enemies stay at the bottom for 10 years

[jovial nest]

The dragon saying "can you not idle in this rockslide?"

a lot better.

oh.

[pliant furnace]

[mossy ore]

it also tells you which ability is silencable
which is very nice

[timid spade]

Could be better though... They still don't give a lot of details... Like "the boss reduces block"... but by how much D:

[jovial nest]

Is this good enough, father?!

[signal lichen]

my biggest problem is your right but also it could still be A LOT BETTER

give us numbers already man

[jovial nest]

if they gave numbers, it'll lie so hard when it's referenced in SSS, IS, and CC maps with enemy desc

like not every Sarkaz soldier will have the same stats on different maps even if they didn't add game mode modifiers or buffs

[ornate pond]

does boss debuff make auto rng?

[jovial nest]

let's hope the auto saves the seed

but it can still desync

so try to do the most AFK auto you can

to avoid it

[timid spade]

I had no problems, as long as I didn't use ines or any other mov spd reduction

[signal lichen]

yep just like fireballs

and crystals for jt stages

just don't desync

free

surely

[limpid siren]

oh no

[signal lichen]

[jovial nest]

it doesn't even have to be SSS, IS, and CC maps

it could just be EX (not CM) maps

and it'll have varying stats from normal

[proud drift]

Almost like the stages have their own modifiers

[limpid siren]

then add the stats

[proud drift]

That are specified afaik

[limpid siren]

multi-million dollar company

[jovial nest]

yeah tell that to the intern willing to do that for each stage

[proud drift]

I mean a number is a “baseline”

SSS, IS etc. have modifiers

[signal lichen]

well thats a problem that they sotra created

[proud drift]

You apply those modifiers to the baseline

[limpid siren]

no this is a fake problem

[signal lichen]

you have to go back now and do that for each stage

[proud drift]

What’s the “mislead”

[jovial nest]

it's their solution so they don't have to give numbers per stage

[limpid siren]

no it's your justification for why they don't give baseline numbers

most external tools still require players to do a bit more work themselves to calculate modified stats

[proud drift]

Fyi the letters which have a “range” are also misleading because they don’t update when you select, for example, CC modifiers

[limpid siren]

it's a complete red herring to say this is the reason they can't at least provide baseline numbers

[proud drift]

So if you triple the ATK of idk, B ATK enemy, it won’t go up in enemt info

[cosmic thicket]

hg just fork tomimi.dev smh my head

[limpid siren]

interestingly tomimi.dev had nothing for pinch out

[cosmic thicket]

maybe they forgor

[limpid siren]

doubt it

[signal lichen]

POO giving S rank hp a new meaning

[limpid siren]

is4 stuff was up pretty fast

[jovial nest]

they didn't. It's a problem they don't want to solve

[cosmic thicket]

wait no last commit was 2 weeks ago

[limpid siren]

more tools are getting abandoned as time goes on

it's not ideal to continue relying on third party stuff to guarantee that this information is available

[proud drift]

We should be glad hg even allows the sharing of third party stuff

[limpid siren]

what

[proud drift]

What

[jovial nest]

it's not like they have the power to topple down every website sharing AK enemy stats

[proud drift]

Companies tend to discourage usage of third party tools for information they don’t want to disclose

[jovial nest]

thats more work than just adding the numbers

[cosmic thicket]

it's literally enemy information

[limpid siren]

i'm talking about like

wikis

dude

[proud drift]

Then don’t make it sound so obscure

[jovial nest]

you're forgetting how the wiki authors got the numbers

it can't be legit

[proud drift]

You made it sound like we should stop relying on arknemy and such

[limpid siren]

we should stop relying on arknemy

because it doesn't get updated

[proud drift]

[proud drift]

No enemy information is letters, not numbers

[jovial nest]

wow...someone actually was able to do Ling 1 ops and it ain't even redep heavy

it's all about key points

[signal lichen]

thats not surprising

every afk is literally place 4 ops

gg

map key points to work with

[jovial nest]

it's a bit more specific when you repair the holes is the most integral part.

Also this integral part solving both the helidrops and the first dog with an S3 activation

[fringe jackal]

cn wiki does the forbidden, but they were sponsored by HG

[foggy grove]

i just plug all hole and plant mine

spawncamp the rest

[fringe jackal]

wen PRTS has the stats of operators before they even release

[jovial nest]

the RMA rates are pretty good

RMA must flow

[turbid badge]

got medal and auto pog

[pliant furnace]

is pause deploy back

[jovial nest]

can't wait

[latent monolith]

Apparently yes

[jovial nest]

really?

btw how do you do pause deploying?

[turbid badge]

on android

[latent monolith]

[pliant furnace]

as an ios user now im at a disadvantage
pls remove it

[latent anvil]

easier to do on emulator

[signal lichen]

trying to do it on actual android sounds like it would be hell

hey tho

not gonna be surprised if hg removes it next update

[limpid siren]

just press escape when you have an op pulled out while deploying them

[limpid siren]

only if you mald max risk stuff tbh

[pliant furnace]

can i turn 2fa off?

[limpid siren]

pause deploy rarely makes a real impact

[latent monolith]

It is real

Annoying to do on a real phone tho

[jovial nest]

yeah pause deploy is only really for the strict timing maps like high risk CCs

[signal lichen]

it was needed for the stall version of max risk on cc11 and the max risk for cc9

iirc

maybe a couple other versions over a couple other cc's for specific strats

its not needed for every max risk cc even

[limpid siren]

yea so it's only relevant to like 0.1% of the playerbase

[signal lichen]

idt pause deploy would help us get much further in poo or at lest this latest map either

helps ease timings for everything ofc

but thats about it

[jovial nest]

ok i can do it

unfortunately that means i can't do F11 fullscreen version

only maximize

but how do you do the 4 ops pause deployed at once when seen in autos?

just fast unpausing pausing?

[turbid badge]

ask shu

[limpid siren]

yea just pause deploy shenanigans

[signal lichen]

yeah not sure how it works either

gonna end up trying to play around with it for a insane amount of time before getitng it

[jovial nest]

i can do it easily in my emulator. The weird part is that pause of ESC allows for pause deploy but it also isn't responsive when clicked fast

so the ESC with the actual pause button of the game has to be used in tandem

as for how to do multiple pause deploys that almost looks instantaneous in autos, yeah that's still beyond me unless i get to practice in a high DP environment

[latent anvil]

yea its just 4 in a row

[lapis hornet]

lmao ppl actually need pause deploy just perfect frame deploy in bullet time smh

[fringe jackal]

my reaction speed is terrible so this is goodc

[jovial nest]

I've been doing a scuffed version of pause deploying which abuses the slowmo of picking ops rather than the actual pause

the overall usefulness is debatable for most content though

[latent anvil]

it looks better in autos thats all that matters

[jovial nest]

my RMA demands are so heavy it's getting used the moment I get some

Imagine these guys with...Izumik

[turbid badge]

fr

[dark glade]

wait pause deploy is back?

[jovial nest]

yep

[dark glade]

WEEEEEEEEEE

time to redownload ak on emulator

[jovial nest]

also EN's next reset will have Surtr Shoperator

finally I can p6 her

[dark glade]

i would pull standard because both op are good

but alr have surtr

[latent anvil]

oh its grass

[dark glade]

but who are you

[latent anvil]

idk

[dark glade]

ok i dont care who you are, just touch me

[latent anvil]

im the one with very organized base guides

[fringe jackal]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1gtKt3p1o7N-4VNLfufXkhll1iYbBsitaoxNNwgDHlgw immediate pause deploy trick seems to be on this page

With more than 1 op

[dark glade]

i need to read one of the base guide but im too lazy

id rather wait for base to be out of beta

[jovial nest]

so you'll be lazy forever

[latent anvil]

until endfield comes out

[fringe jackal]

But you are grass

[latent anvil]

so yea nvm forever

[fringe jackal]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1keJ2aXD_KuGlOCwPbwq8vLXPYlP6zWtT7TfXpUx0vB4 ah so this one was the detailed multi pause deploy guide

[dark glade]

ITS BAAAACCCK

I NEED TO CALM DOWN

THANKS LD UNDUSK

[turbid badge]

i wish i can do

[jovial nest]

HE civs have the worst panic attacks
they can actually die from the panic alone (without any rocks hitting or holes)

[turbid badge]

when the thing is full?

idk ive never had it happen

[jovial nest]

the moment they're in red and panicking, they are bleeding

[spark sinew]

yeah, otherwise you would just let them panic

[dark glade]

HE feels like ch12 with extra steps

[spark sinew]

but with the drain being a thing, you need to activate altars and whatnot

[jovial nest]

you mean ch8

[spark sinew]

how many ops you want trustfarm to be

[dark glade]

HE has other stage beside HE-6?

[spark sinew]

wait the message is gone already

[jovial nest]

ch12 civs is a goddamn inspection mission

[undone grail]

does anyone have a trust farm strat for HE maps with exalter

my bad

[jovial nest]

with sus stuff

[undone grail]

im back... err low ops with kinda afk, maybe 4 max?

[jovial nest]

HE are a bunch of panicking morons that die easy

[jovial nest]

HE-8 has a Ling 1 ops

actually Ling also 1 ops 7 and 6

[dark glade]

if you keep activating the tower it become dp problem than dumb civ problem

[undone grail]

oh cool, but sometimes im too lazy for ling

[jovial nest]

and it is pretty AFK considering there's 0 to minimal dragon relocations

[undone grail]

OH nice

[jovial nest]

dude it's 1 manual

just to build an auto

we AFK so the auto doesn't desync. Not because we're lazy

[latent anvil]

i afk because im lazy

[spark sinew]

you can probably do this

[undone grail]

same

[latent anvil]

[spark sinew]

a question whether you have ops or not tho

[cosmic thicket]

im lazy and i don't afk

[spark sinew]

i think i saw blem s1 over blaze as well

[undone grail]

i have all of those

i just wanna farm HE while unlocking exalter mod while being lazy....

pls dont judge me

[spark sinew]

yeah it works

horn-exalter-blaze-saria

patch holes as needed

horns need m3 or you need to block this guy for a bit with...something

[spark sinew]

he literally does both of his module reauirements in one stage on ch7

[jovial nest]

Ch12 had a huge DP cap limit. This doesn't do it as badly (the DP capping is tied to specific enemies who love to idle so much)

[undone grail]

😮 o really

[turbid badge]

wgz u not pull exe?

[undone grail]

anyway i still need to trust farm him ty for the strat

[spark sinew]

why would he pull exe when he can use QB

[turbid badge]

wtf

[dark glade]

yea thats true, i can deploy my horn in peace before masterfully praying on statue

[spark sinew]

this event makes me want to s1m3 my horn though

she's probably a staple in afk shit

[dark glade]

i alr s1m3 my horn because she cant oneshot mafia on anni and it triggers me

[spark sinew]

np it's basically oyuki's but executor instead of mountain

[jovial nest]

I love S1M3 Horn on some Annis, and multiple maps in ISs

[spark sinew]

annis are so easy i never struggled with s1m1

although i used her in like...current anni and that's it

[jovial nest]

if the content is hard enough, you wouldn't be using Horn's S1M3 anyways heh

[spark sinew]

this event my s1m1 doesn't cut it

[spark sinew]

he needs 3 shots instead of 2, and horn can't do it in time when he's not blocked

[jovial nest]

soon I'm gonna have <200% trust ops that's less than 12

[spark sinew]

obviously i just block with friston, but still

[jovial nest]

and it's gonna be glorious to not hold back as much

[latent anvil]

s1m3 qiubai is very op

[spark sinew]

here, you can read it again if you want

straight from the source

[jovial nest]

and here i am finally outgrowing my AFK laning phase

[spark sinew]

nothing wrong with afk laning as long as your op doesn't need to activate skill 2 times for it, with a variable interval between them

there's no reason to module pluma now, unless you're a 5* player, right

mod1 is nice ig, but still 🤔

[latent anvil]

well she atks alot so maybe its noticable

[spark sinew]

it's probably noticeable yeah i just wonder when you'll ever use her
and in cases you bring her it's probably s1 for easy afk, in which case she's fine without module 🤔

[tidal sedge]

@limpid siren Am I blind or does Insider not have a visual cue when his talent is active?

[limpid siren]

I haven’t noticed one

[tidal sedge]

That's pretty outrageous

[limpid siren]

But it’s reliably up for second activation

[tidal sedge]

Every 6* with a similar kind of talent like Blaze or Gnosis has one, and theirs is far less relevant in effect.

[limpid siren]

His whole talent is bad anyway

The only real benefit is the +1 ammo to other laterano ops

[tidal sedge]

I don't disagree, but it's extra annoying he gets double shafted. Dumb design and lacks a certain QoL even ancient ops have.

[limpid siren]

Im just happy he’s usable tbh

Although right now im not very impressed

[tidal sedge]

You think it might be due to low trust atm? Marksman are pretty sensitive to small number bonuses.

[limpid siren]

Doesn’t help that this event isn’t very favourable for him so far

[limpid siren]

Yea he’s missing about 500 dph and 2 ammo

[tidal sedge]

That's a huge numbers gap from peak ye

[foggy grove]

i forgot to slap him on random facility for trust farming

[limpid siren]

The fast cycle is nice though just can’t lie

[tidal sedge]

Event shop subsidizes a good chunk of s2m3 for him it seems

[quick pecan]

i e2d him before exalter

[spark sinew]

tr is occupied 😦
workshop is occupied by ncd anyway and lacks the sort by "trust"

[quick pecan]

farming trust atm

[limpid siren]

And he’s online earlier than plat for new players

[spark sinew]

oh wow nvm

[limpid siren]

From memory he’s about 200 dph ahead of her at equal levels

[halcyon adder]

He already came with his module right?

[limpid siren]

Plus he’s more likely to have his atk pot than plat for a new player

[limpid siren]

Yea

[spark sinew]

all 3 new ops have modules yeah

[halcyon adder]

Nice. Modules mean a lot for marksmen or markswomen

[limpid siren]

some of his skill ammo is locked behind module

[tidal sedge]

His especially

[limpid siren]

[tidal sedge]

Yeah that

[limpid siren]

actual pain

[halcyon adder]

Ya and modules need 100 trust to unlock

[tidal sedge]

I definitely think he got atk pot at pot 5 because of how impactful his module is

[limpid siren]

i can't get myself to see his module as a benefit

[tidal sedge]

It's not

[limpid siren]

it feels like returning something he should have had in his base kit

[tidal sedge]

Mmhm. I see it as a welfare tax with a different coat of paint

I should've conveyed that more clearly

[limpid siren]

i hear you

tbh the tax usually either comes from missing atk pot or bad talent

there's the dp and rdp time too ig, but that's kinda whatever

[timid schooner]

bye i will never do this stage again

[halcyon adder]

Looks like he prioritizes ramged enemies with s2. Who will he Target if there is a drone and say a caster?

[limpid siren]

shortest path to box

unless they've changed how it works

[tidal sedge]

Equal hatred, so pathing is tiebreaker

[halcyon adder]

Hmm

[limpid siren]

then special priority is just "+2" in terms of target finding

[halcyon adder]

Holy shit that atk multiplier

[tidal sedge]

Although finding a map to figure for certain has been annoying to find

Most aerial enemies are ranged

[limpid siren]

there's one in like ch2 or something

[halcyon adder]

+130% is crazy for a marksman

[tidal sedge]

Actually, ch 6 frost drones maybe

They don't attack and sit for a long time

[spark sinew]

11 ops?

[tidal sedge]

I'll try it when I get home in about 30 minutes

[limpid siren]

[spark sinew]

isn't it the same as Adna's

[halcyon adder]

Is he the marksman that deals with high def the best?

[turbid badge]

no

Platinum

?

[limpid siren]

he slaps for about 1.5k at full investment

[frozen cedar]

how would a melee aerial unit work?

[limpid siren]

plat is about 1.2k excluding talent

[turbid badge]

but but talent

[jovial nest]

january is near. Can't wait for Eyjaberry

[limpid siren]

doesn't have to be melee, can just have 'does not attack' tag

[frozen cedar]

Does not attack counts as ranged by the game

[limpid siren]

are you sure about that?

[frozen cedar]

well, not wraiths, because wraiths WOULD attack if blocked

[limpid siren]

that's not what i asked

'does not attack' is a specific enemy tag

[frozen cedar]

yeah but lemmee get a screenshot

[proud drift]

I had a thought that

[proud drift]

Their “range” is the range

[frozen cedar]

basically they are in the same bucket

[proud drift]

For their aura or whatever they provide

Since the DEF drone

Actually has 2.5 range

The starting drone tho

Doesn’t have a range

And is a flier

[turbid badge]

what are the eggs tags

[limpid siren]

this is specific to firewatch

in fact, specific to her module

[turbid badge]

are u gonna raise spuria for ur fiametta

[proud drift]

I’d have to get her

I also dunno what she does or who she is

But I’m skipping banner besides an obligatory single pull

[limpid siren]

"attack type" is the tag we're talking about

[proud drift]

Yeah but what I meant is

[full finch]

firewatch talent premodule did not affect enemies that don't attack iirc

[proud drift]

“Can’t attack” can still be ranged enemy

[limpid siren]

yes but no

[spark sinew]

wtf is an "obligatory single pull"

[turbid badge]

holy shit

enemy weight

is in enemy

pokedex

[full finch]

holy shit QoL updates

impossible

[jovial nest]

a fancy word for "lack of self-control"

of course Crawlers would be heavy

shifting them to a hole would be the best solution to their toxicity

[novel pivot]

Up there with building pity

[turbid badge]

i was showing the None tag

[full finch]

'None Arts'

[jovial nest]

or in most cases, resetting pity

[novel pivot]

[jovial nest]

Enemy QoL is so early

that it already has IS4 enemy tags

the Collapsal one

[full finch]

IS4 soon?

[novel pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1006932600234983464.png?size=48

switcheroo

make cn acc plei is4 early

[proud drift]

Always do at least one pull on every banner

[jovial nest]

you know what's sad? Eureka for EN not gonna experience IS3 too much

Cause april fools content is an actual year gap

[tidal sedge]

Not the results I was expecting. Interesting.

@limpid siren

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

anti-air > ranged

[tidal sedge]

It appears that if something qualifies for both types of hatred, it takes highest priority

[limpid siren]

if that was true, insider would never attack the caster

[tidal sedge]

That wouldn't explain him ignoring the frost drone

[vernal lion]

because that aerial enemy is also ranged attack

[full finch]

hmm

ranged air > ranged > air

[limpid siren]

[vernal lion]

also you should add "closest to blue box" too

for ranged air

[limpid siren]

shortest path is the default

[weak gazelle]

uhmm so...
mizuki worth the gold certs?
thinking to switching gameplay for a bit

either japanese/british/italian faction

[full finch]

more specifically, default targeting is "closest on their path to the blue box"

[vernal lion]

so aerial taunt =/= melee taunt?

[limpid siren]

special targeting isn't the same thing as taunt

despite having similar results wrt targeting

[full finch]

special targeting usually ignores taunt iirc

[limpid siren]

special targeting is something the attacker has
taunt is something the target being attacked has

[limpid siren]

depends on the level of enemy taunt for us
and the power of special targeting for enemies

almost every enemy only has "+1" taunt, if they have any, and our special targeting is "+2"

[full finch]

doesn't enemy special targeting still ignore taunt

[limpid siren]

depends

[tidal sedge]

Depends

[limpid siren]

some enemies can be taunted

[jovial nest]

Id only recommend getting him for endgame base operator. Outside of that, purely subjective if you want to use him

[weak gazelle]

oh yeah special targetting and taunt are different thing or coding for this game iirc
and both have maybe i call 'level' that can change the result of targetting

[turbid badge]

no

actually

how much gold certs do you hace

[weak gazelle]

i just need a change of pace for a meantime
(while waiting Santalla arrive)

[turbid badge]

for higashi just use kirara smgsmh

[quick pecan]

i need bassline and leto in global

need 5* knights to cook more

[tidal sedge]

Here's a case of taunt redirecting special targeting of an enemy

[weak gazelle]

close too 300 for gold certs

[tidal sedge]

But stuff like Patriot spear throw, and Rat King special attacks ignore taunt

[turbid badge]

wow me 233

[full finch]

both of those have special targeting

patriot towards far ranged units, rat king towards marked targets

[turbid badge]

special target > taunt

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

i recall reading a super cursed explaination of how pat spear throw works in hatred

[limpid siren]

depends

[weak gazelle]

i see thanks for the input
maybe put on hold first

[tidal sedge]

What I remember from something I read on PRTS, enemies have Secondary Targeting which can usually be taunted. Special Targeting cannot

[turbid badge]

well depends on values right

[full finch]

based PRTS reader 🛐

[limpid siren]

that's what lurker is saying

[tidal sedge]

Piercers being an exception to the Secondary Targeting rule because of how they're coded

Their targeting is messed up

[full finch]

seaborne being cursed yet again

[turbid badge]

oh

[limpid siren]

here's another one

those snipers are supposed to prioritise the lights

[tidal sedge]

iirc, HG basically transplanted Absinthe s1 targeting onto Piercers, which made it real screwy

[turbid badge]

too bad poo is gone

[vernal lion]

new enemy in this event also has prio on Holy Statue

[tidal sedge]

Piercers will actually target oldest deployed op in range in case of tiebreaker

Rather than most recently deployed op

[full finch]

wtf

that's cursed

[limpid siren]

hatred my beloved

[weak gazelle]

what?
first time knowing this

[full finch]

hatred is a cursed concept

like pushing

[tidal sedge]

It's hard to notice because piercers hit decently hard, so they'll often bully whatever they shoot first like they're intended to

[full finch]

and shifting in general

[vernal lion]

again, can you draw this taunt?

[tidal sedge]

Their short range also helps mask the quirk in their targeting

So most folks probably won't notice

[full finch]

nobody would pay attention to that

[tidal sedge]

I noticed it on Watery Tidehollow Anni when doing a spawncamp strat

[full finch]

built different 🛐

[tidal sedge]

They kept shooting my Dusk despite her being first deployed and I was really baffled why

It's precisely because I deployed her first 💀

[vernal lion]

ah yes, chapter 12 refer, my beloved

[quick pecan]

i saved like 800+ sanity for event

bro only at 30%

💀💀

[vernal lion]

well that's true tho

135 sanity is like 5%

[quick pecan]

pain

[full finch]

100% is 10000 sanity

less if you have base though

[quick pecan]

ye he’s in base

need that module NOW

[full finch]

+3 -> +5 ammo

wow, attempting to make S1 not suck

[quick pecan]

s1 needed like

half the sp cost

[turbid badge]

does insider have a welcome back text

[full finch]

at M3 and mod3 its 12sp offensive for 9 ammo

which is 43% uptime

[quick pecan]

it’s just griefed by s2 existing

[full finch]

real

[quick pecan]

only situation i see s1 use is with buffers bc atk scale

but then that’s optimizing your run around…buffing a marksman that isn’t kroos or exu

💀

[full finch]

well

technically

S2 has 40% uptime

compared to S1 43%

[quick pecan]

damn

that 3% cost me the clear

2/3 fr

[full finch]

ignoring the fact that S2 has 42% higher DPS during its uptime

[turbid badge]

m6

fr

[vernal lion]

wait, this one is additive or multiplicative?

[quick pecan]

honestly i might

bc i simp

men

[latent monolith]

M6 insider based

[vernal lion]

wait

this event is just chapter 12

[turbid badge]

i just raising knight bird

[tidal sedge]

They're rather similar ye

[latent monolith]

The devices also take dp to activate

20 to be precise

per activation

[glass monolith]

Except DP cap is 19 while mechanic to stop civilian from undoing itself cost 20

[tidal sedge]

Enemies dropping wherever is also suited to rapid redeploy

[vernal lion]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-ling-gaming-gif-27406388

[crisp bolt]

I legit didn't even know those guys did things

[tidal sedge]

At a glance, HE seems more like an Ines showcase than an Exe alter one

[crisp bolt]

I just nuked them

[vernal lion]

instant-win

[crisp bolt]

ines is best op frfr

[full finch]

texas + ines = HE win

[turbid badge]

Until ines fucks up civilian pathing and than it just stands on the rocks

[crisp bolt]

you can change civilian pathing?

[full finch]

just

avoid

having civs path

[crisp bolt]

they can't path if they're all dead

[jovial nest]

dude it doesn't cap your DP to insane levels like ch12's only DP of 15 or 18

[full finch]

just press the statue button

[vernal lion]

btw rock needs block to be broken and deal splash dmg

[turbid badge]

Try out mostima m3

mod 3

in he8

[vernal lion]

it doesn't like those fireball casters, their fireball just targets op on its path

[full finch]

rocks rolling in slow motion

[crisp bolt]

ngl the biggest annoyance with the rocks is I usually don't draft that many melee ops

and block count actually matters in HE-8

[turbid badge]

i just ling

[crisp bolt]

why can't mlynar just block the rocks instead of reading his newspaper

[crisp bolt]

someone should make a gif of that

[full finch]

L

[crisp bolt]

mlynar just reading his newspaper as the boulders go right through him

[turbid badge]

and sped up

[glass monolith]

And during boss battle you get hit by -2 block so everyone read newspaper because it tease next character in other gacha or something

[vernal lion]

OHHHHHHHHH

110% efficiency is back

IS-8 = HE-6 confirmed

[turbid badge]

ethans deployment sound effects good in en

[full finch]

wtf fleggs

banned

[vernal lion]

oh wait, Fortuna deals 200% dmg with 700 atk, that's 1400

Lin herself can't hold it lol

[glass monolith]

Don't worry that pepega will miss 4/6 bullets

CM condition will be "this bitch no longer misses also reload faster", isn't it

[proud drift]

o

blebishine got 2nd mod

[deft badger]

120 and i still don't have exe alter lol

[turbid badge]

LMAO WTF

u can slow the balls.

[proud drift]

I guess I am

[turbid badge]

U like her?

[proud drift]

she looks nice

[turbid badge]

Shes regarded as pretty bad having her buff only available/really buff slow aspd snipers

[vernal lion]

I like my 2nd Exu

[proud drift]

not sure if I'm a big fan of this tho

[turbid badge]

its fine for fia cuz her aspd slow alrd

[proud drift]

does fia s3 count as attacking?

[turbid badge]

works great with s3

yea

[vernal lion]

wait for HG release sniper with anti self stun

[turbid badge]

uhh

[proud drift]

time to e2 lumen ig

[turbid badge]

lee

[proud drift]

[turbid badge]

oh

sniper

brah

uhhm

[spark sinew]

please don't e2 lumen for this

that's a huge waste

[proud drift]

lmao

I have other priorities anyways rn

[spark sinew]

shit combo as well, if you want

[proud drift]

spuria is far away

[turbid badge]

hes just all healing and uhh hes gonna end up healing spuria like 24/7

[glass monolith]

Reminder - For medal you need to have all holes covered when stage ends

[turbid badge]

yea i did it alrd

[proud drift]

isn't lumen s3 pretty good healing tho

[turbid badge]

eyja alter

shining s2 if u count shield

actually

[proud drift]

btw why are 3 of my 4 recruitments

[turbid badge]

i think mod makes it stronger

[proud drift]

fast redeploy

[turbid badge]

w/o shield anywyas

[proud drift]

[jovial nest]

yeah don't bother with Lumen

[proud drift]

ig I'll just raise shining somewhere soon in the future

[spark sinew]

lumen is good
at healing

not at some weird spuria combo

where he won't use his full hps potential anyway

[turbid badge]

lol

[proud drift]

man

if Spuria s2 didn't have the stun garbage

it'd actually be a nice unit to consider

[turbid badge]

also she cant heal herself like aak

[spark sinew]

well she's a helidrop

she's not "bad" as in, detrimental, but i hardly can imagine a situation where she's a best in slot solution (with current units, anyhow)

[proud drift]

she's a nice helidrop for 5* players ig?

[turbid badge]

uhh

[spark sinew]

idk if 5* players have stuff to buff with her

but ask them

[proud drift]

no I mean

S1

[tidal sedge]

Massively worse than April

[proud drift]

so she's just bad

because HG wanted her to be bad

[turbid badge]

sure

[tidal sedge]

I think they kinda phoned it in with her ye

[turbid badge]

use in is3

doesnt her module suck?

man aaks rng talent got boosted so much

[vernal lion]

s1 is RNG gaming

[glass monolith]

Yostar droped all good shit now so players don't rage quit from abnoxious event

[spark sinew]

our eyjalter event is probably gonna be without typhon

[dark glade]

good

whats the low star guide use anyway

[glass monolith]

This might be for the BEE-st

We are BEE-ing BEE-tter player when we don't use overBEEing operators

[spark sinew]

if you rage at this event, i think eyja is worse

[proud drift]

does eyja event have civilians too?

[spark sinew]

no, but enemies are...

[dark glade]

just sheep that murder you i think

[glass monolith]

You are civilian

[proud drift]

then it's already a better event

[turbid badge]

eyja event will be ez cuz by than fartooth will be e2

[turbid badge]

oh

umm

Wait and see

[proud drift]

there's nothing in this game

worse

than civilians

[turbid badge]

the game loves dr nowaday

[glass monolith]

Eyja event mechanic is something about those capture territory to paint it your color and based on color you affected either with huge DR, or huge Fragile

[proud drift]

can cowtits bypass the DR

[nova wing]

Red box Spawn camp

[glass monolith]

Red box camp is current event. Which is countered by half of fucking stage spawn in middle of stage, bonus points if they spawn on hard to reach undeployable tiles

[nova wing]

"We have to protect civs from enemy"
Reverse : Who's protecting enemies from Dokutah?

[glass monolith]

That's why my civilians in IS had high casualty rate

[nova wing]

We have EXECUTORS- pun intended

[tidal sedge]

I just opted for spawncamping red boxes and the rng enemy areas

[glass monolith]

Wait is that true some people needed guide to do second tutorial?

[deft badger]

me xD

but i took heavy mental dmg yesterday

after pulling 100 times and not getting him lol

excuses

[harsh gale]

Wtf is wrong with the drop rates in he-8????

20+ games and only 2 drops of rma? Wtf

[glass monolith]

Civilian into holes drop is more consistent

[harsh gale]

Man this is really pissing me off

I thought I'd grind like 30 ish rma, then grind only rocks

This mf gave me 2 in 20+

[turbid badge]

[spark sinew]

game knows, and tries to prevent you from farming rocks

[deft badger]

till now i got each run a drop

so i don't know why u are not getting some

did 6 runs

[glass monolith]

So he has 0% , you has 100%, avg is 50% which is drop rate of this shit or something

[proud drift]

2* every run

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile i got 2 good rocks 2 runs in row

Not rma cringe one rock

[spark sinew]

idk if stages have pity

won't surprise me if they don't

[glass monolith]

If you don't drop rate up material in 150 runs your next drop rate material will be rate up drop material

[karmic glade]

The statistic seems like it does after the 6x update in cn

[deft badger]

7th run my auto fails lol

[turbid badge]

rma

[peak cloak]

wait, does pause deploy come back?

[spark sinew]

was it always like "you need to begin dragging operator first"

[peak cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-lol-arshavin-gif-11897692

[polar crane]

the tf man

[sullen rover]

how u beat dis

[turbid badge]

Try to e1 exe

he gets 1 more block at e1

what are you dieing to?

you try to keep civilians alive

btw

the rock thing breaks the wood

so u want to block it if you can

wihh th a medic + defender

or civilian will fall nd die

[unkempt lintel]

ummmm....

[sullen rover]

problem guard chip locked

[turbid badge]

just block the Rock thing

and win

kroos should carry in dps department

[sullen rover]

my defenders also dies to one rock and 3 hits from dogs

noir lives though

the enemy defender also doesnt die to steward so my support is going to be dedicated to that

there we go

e0 exalt is just too based

[somber stone]

What is this squad

[turbid badge]

nice but u can also use the game mechanic

it gives u 4x of those

and 3x to patch up in case it does break

[sullen rover]

yeah i pretty much ignore the bottom one

and just use the thing

[verbal sparrow]

what is the total damage of degen s3 again

[opal kiln]

around 40k iirc

[tropic valve]

you would rather have Krooster than Spuria for air stun in IS3, but if you only get Specialist tickets and no Sniper tickets then that's an option

[somber stone]

Building spuria

[turbid badge]

Its okay

now i can choose

cliff or spuria

[spark sinew]

using spec ticket on spuria

[glass monolith]

Build silence alter to regen Spuria to buff Exu to get stunned and leak

[spark sinew]

i would rather take my chances and draft something that doesn't do worse job than krooster and also needs medic

or get cliffheart instead

guaranteed stun on...19? sp cost

[tropic valve]

ok but cliffheart doesn't buff you know who

[sullen rover]

how u beat he-5

[turbid badge]

does therm x hit air

[sullen rover]

no

[spark sinew]

why would you buff the person who can't be named

she's all you need

no need for puny buffers

[tropic valve]

for HE-5, you may not have enough DP to use statue everytime, so you'll have to repair the holes and make sure civilians don't fall

[tropic valve]

yeah but I just wanna see big red numbers

[sullen rover]

the problem is that my ops just fucking dies

[turbid badge]

• hes just drafting spuria for schwarz -

[somber stone]

Level them

[sullen rover]

ok ill e1 sus ig

[spark sinew]

that's a strong kroos

[sullen rover]

holy shit theres so much range dudes at the end

[verbal sparrow]

so on a practical level, when do people bring exalter over
mountain / mudrock / penance / spalter ?

[spark sinew]

he costs less than mud or penance, and functions solo unlike spalter

for me it's more like "do i need others or i can just bring exalter there", to which the answer is basically always "yes"

[verbal sparrow]

it seems like exalter has less survivability but more DPS / clearing power

[sullen rover]

not even ling fixes this
any ideas?

[spark sinew]

idt you'll have problems with his survivability as long as it's not ranged attacks he's pelted by (but then everyone but penance {and even she is not that great} is eugh)

[verbal sparrow]

how about exalter + another op vs gavial alter + another op ?

[spark sinew]

gavial has no sustain, so they're quite different in applications i feel
personally i don't use mlynar much, but i also heard that people prefer exalter + mlynar over gavial + mlynar

[verbal sparrow]

the DPS between exalter and gavial looks quite comparable now that I'm staring at it

[spark sinew]

ling pluma clear it at e1 1
you can probably just wait for guard chips to open?

and for now focus on clearing the story to get the base running maybe 🤔

levels are quite low for the crystal/rma farming anyway i feel

[limpid siren]

not this again

cliffheart

[spark sinew]

wait, again?

[limpid siren]

yes again

[spark sinew]

someone else shilled spuria?

wtf

[limpid siren]

cirnobyl, with the same logic

[spark sinew]

are you looking at the post module gavialter? at 3 units blocked?)

[verbal sparrow]

yeah

[crisp bolt]

why go with spuria when you can pick Aak

[spark sinew]

one thing i will say in downside of executor is that his flaw of being vulnerable to ranged attacks is really pronounced when you go into stages blind

like in this event, you try to block the rocks with him. Oops, all enemies are going into the opposite direction of him, too bad, you just die

[somber stone]

Put him in front of red box

[spark sinew]

works

[crisp bolt]

that's the point of having mlynar

mlynar taunts all the ranged attacks away from exalter

[spark sinew]

well he won't taunt rocks

but yeah i suppose

[crisp bolt]

no he just lets them go past him

as he reads his newspaper

[spark sinew]

i don't really bring mlynar on regular stages since he does jack all

[crisp bolt]

I do because I like to rarity abuse

[spark sinew]

team is super overkill anyway, so even if you use his skill it's like

1 shwing = everyone is dead

[crisp bolt]

Aak buffed mlynar is fun

[spark sinew]

and then he just occupies the slot

[somber stone]

Use him as only blocker

[spark sinew]

at least other units prevent giga trash mobs leaking

[jovial nest]

Thats why I was not too impressed with his potential as a solo laner. It is the flaw of lifesteal.

[spark sinew]

every unit will fucking die in those situations though

especially solo

reapers are easier to keep alive than something like gavialter, honestly

since you can just use your texas/yato instead of deploying a medic

[last mist]

If i get a penny for placing la pluma badly in this event i'd get 4 which isn't a lot in terms of penny but a lot of pain for me

[tropic valve]

to be clear I wasn't shilling Spuria

I was saying Spuria isn't the worst

[spark sinew]

is there a difference

[tropic valve]

[jovial nest]

Thorns would at least be able to charge his S3 or actually kill the flying or long ranged attacks. Mountain would survive a lot longer. Gladiia modded even more so

[spark sinew]

people "not in the know" might look at this and think they can use spuria in is3

when she's basically never the best pick, even in the situation where you need stun right now and you only have spec ticket

[dark glade]

Whos spreadingg this spuria in is3 propaganda to begin with

[tropic valve]

some people were spreading Spuria propaganda, I was saying she's at the very least not a bad pick in IS3 since you know how much I care about IS3

[spark sinew]

thorns would die way faster in most cases
gladiia struggles with a lot of units and leak super easily

mountain is...mountain, that said he is way worse at dealing with hordes and can't punch through defense

[dark glade]

Both mountain and thorns doesnt deal very well with def nowadays

[spark sinew]

i can see penance being better in very specific situations, and mud being better if enemy actually oneshots you

[dark glade]

And aerial enemies are evolving into some abomination

[spark sinew]

but they also cost more, despite being not really better than exalter in vast majority of situations

[jovial nest]

Thats why my preferred laners now are so different. They mostly have very solid utility or boss-killing potential. None of em are solos anyways since I like using Skalter.

[spark sinew]

exalter has enough damage and survivability to tackle most bosses

way more than the regular "laneholders" do anyway (which ones are yours anyway?)

i'm struggling to remember any that can kill bosses besides mud s3

[somber stone]

Would Dorothy count

As a laneholder

[spark sinew]

gavial if we stretch it

[jovial nest]

The plans are, Ines early but can be kept for utility. Degen and Hoederer. And then Mlynar+redeps for added support.

[dark glade]

Is SA s2 a laneholder?

[spark sinew]

so the bosskillers are the two upcoming ops
that's fair

[jovial nest]

Dont

[sharp wadi]

He just a lane burster

Have skill burst, no skill no burst

[spark sinew]

sa s2 doesn't kill any boss nowadays
but no, he isn't

[jovial nest]

Dont use SA S2 for laneholding. Its like trying to use a very scuffed Mountain due to lack of Mountain

[spark sinew]

it's like worse gladiia

when she's already very iffy unless you actually use s3 to bind and burst problematic stuff

[jovial nest]

Gladiias pros are her survivability. But yeah anything meatier or tankier and she struggles to get rid of em

[dark glade]

I need to record restore gladia

But idk if i even want to raise her

[spark sinew]

without spalter, probably don't bother

[dark glade]

She looks like one of those op like weedy where you use her one stage and never again

[jovial nest]

S3 barely damages and sometimes even causes more leaks than S1

S1 is the safest laning skill for Gladiia

[spark sinew]

spalter gladiia are stupidly good combo for trash content, but damn it's expensive for that they do

[dark glade]

One day i will spark skalter

[jovial nest]

Unlike Weedy, you can actually use her for laning. Mostly lanes with harsh isolated areas with a lot of harass but weak DEF enemies

[dark glade]

That day i will also get spalter :copium:

[sharp wadi]

If lane holding gladia use s2