strategy

[tidal sedge]

My experience in other games kinda trained me to only care about the bare minimum to succeed. So "win-more" pieces don't stick out as valuable to me.

[proud drift]

you could also mix those together most of the time, no?

[tidal sedge]

But gachas being so long-term in nature that reducing effort and mental load has more merit than in other games

[tidal sedge]

It can and I do so to some extent, but it doesn't fit the idea of "efficiency" I learned.

[spark sinew]

vanguards nowadays also have utility

that said as a new player you just shouldn't even bother with that

[proud drift]

well, fair enough ig, you're talking to a guy who M9'd Fiammetta and Archetto

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[lapis hornet]

archetto p good

I only have m6 tho

[proud drift]

I M9'd Fia Chetto, mod3 fia and working on mod6 chetto rn

[spark sinew]

banned pictures of fia

[lapis hornet]

I hate fia so much tho but I feel like I'll force myself to use her when her skin hits global

[tidal sedge]

Im definitely not effecient at this game lmao

[proud drift]

counter argument

[spark sinew]

guess the op

[tidal sedge]

Skadi?

[tidal sedge]

To say it again: this aspect of mine is just when I try to think an efficient way, I don't really go hard on it in reality.

[lapis hornet]

thing with efficiency is I feel like you should just play the game to enjoy it, worrying too much about efficiency often kills the fun for me

like I'll make myself aware of what's efficient and decide if the pay off is worth bothering with it

[tidal sedge]

I do like and try to trim what I see as excess in my clears, but I've no ambitions to go lowest op possible.

[lapis hornet]

low op just pleases me aesthetically lol

[limpid siren]

i'll do low op if the stage is fun

😤

[proud drift]

throw 6* waifus at it until it works, if it works, forget about the stage

[limpid siren]

like the beach repair daily

[proud drift]

[tidal sedge]

I enjoy reflecting upon a clear and improving upon it in itself.

Im the opposite, i feel odd not having a full team

That can make sense depending on your background.

[lapis hornet]

which one was the beach repair one, the 1 deploy limit?

[balmy jolt]

I have to use 12 units because I believe in the power of friendship

[tidal sedge]

Not all game metas define efficiency in using the fewest pieces possible

[limpid siren]

yea

[lapis hornet]

low op is usually more for ppl who've stopped being challenged at all by normal content tbh

[tidal sedge]

Some do it in terms of lowest turn count, no damage, or speed runs

[proud drift]

I wish they did more swarm-type stages tbh

I enjoy swarm-type tower defense

[lapis hornet]

when I was new I wanted full team cause I worked to build all of them why shouldn't I use them

[proud drift]

like H9-6

[limpid siren]

IC-S-1 CM my beloved

[proud drift]

or H10-3

those are fun stages

[lapis hornet]

lol when I saw 1 unit limit I was like wadafaq?!

[limpid siren]

"extra enemies appear" mfw +40 enemies or some shit

[tidal sedge]

🤣

[proud drift]

even the NL S... 4 was it?

with the twins

where you have 110 enemies or so with a lot of corrosion archers

[tidal sedge]

Oh that sounds like hell

I think they avoided swarm stages for a long time because they're a kind of stat check, and lower rarity doesn't really have the aoe options higher rarity does

[proud drift]

oh wait no

S 4 is BK stage

[limpid siren]

device check too

[proud drift]

S 5 is the funny

[limpid siren]

OD-10 flashbacks

[tidal sedge]

Long Spring Wastes...

[lapis hornet]

swarm stages would give meaning to aoe caster/snipers tho

[proud drift]

It's just a personal gripe of srots

[tidal sedge]

The mobs kind of have to be weak to be killable by lower rarity, which means higher rarity would just stomp such a stage

[proud drift]

I enjoy tower defenses for fighting swarms of enemies

[limpid siren]

the game is definitely more capable of handling big swarms these days

[proud drift]

rather than having 30 total enemies with like 15 chonkers

[limpid siren]

6*s will always stomp

[tidal sedge]

Yeah, they're toying with it more now

[limpid siren]

it's really hard to stop 6* dps, but that's kinda the point

[tidal sedge]

CW-EX1 and the funny ch 11 stage for example

[lapis hornet]

man I really enjoyed od ngl

mainly I enjoyed watching ppl mald lol!

but anyway

[limpid siren]

OD was fun

[tidal sedge]

I joined as it was ending lol

It's been nice to actually pull out Ros in these kinds of stages

I don't really think to use nuke skills outside of such stages so she's often collected dust

Any advice for MN-EX-6?

[lapis hornet]

oh this one is kinda funny

just play around with the blocks

[limpid siren]

man

i remember malding the stage without realising it had roadblocks

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[limpid siren]

and tbh i think it's more fun without roadblocks

but definitely nastier

[proud drift]

are there any enemies that go like this

there probably are right

[tidal sedge]

Pretty sure

I didnt get that far bc bottom right overran me.

[limpid siren]

not even close

flashback to when liskarm was my main tank

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[proud drift]

man why does every AFK anni include ifrit

I can replace eyja with gg s2, but not ifrit with fia s2

[tidal sedge]

Bc flamethrowmer

[limpid siren]

old unit that guide makers can expect the majority of viewers to have

ifrit is a long time classic annihilation stomper

[tidal sedge]

Me not having Ifrit

[proud drift]

I mean yea I could do poor man's ifrit with Fia S2 + Archetto + Ch'en

[tidal sedge]

Ifrit used to be very common in cert shop too

[proud drift]

especially since this guy did a pretty low op anni

but then it's not afk

I have to pay attention to the game

[radiant plinth]

only getting 1 attempt every 20mins...

ugh

even i have no clue whats going on

[proud drift]

oh wait I can just borrow ifrit

cause I won't be autoing this stage

[tidal sedge]

Ohhhhh
This one took me a while to clear

[radiant plinth]

TRUE

[ancient hearth]

can't you just borrow a fiametta?

[tidal sedge]

Isnt this one of the permanents?

[ancient hearth]

and like, bomb half the map's spawns?

[proud drift]

I ain't talking about anni3

[spark sinew]

any of the units basically work yeah

[tidal sedge]

Oh my bad

[proud drift]

I haven't done anni7 for some reason

[somber falcon]

E0 play

[spark sinew]

as igneus said, ifrit is just old

[proud drift]

all my annis are done (except the few recent ones I missed due to not playing)

[spark sinew]

you can find autos with horn/fia instead

or chongyue

[proud drift]

my horny isn't raised either

neither is loud man

[radiant plinth]

pogger!

[proud drift]

I could borrow horny tho ig

but with anni7 layout

I doubt fia has a spot

[spark sinew]

what was it again?

[proud drift]

beach with assassins

[proud drift]

what are the farm mats next event btw

[turbid badge]

dwsopey playig again cuz break?

[latent anvil]

gel rock durian

[turbid badge]

durian

[latent anvil]

teta pro what stage to do today

[proud drift]

we talked about this already teta

[turbid badge]

i need to finish poo

[proud drift]

vivanna too hot

[turbid badge]

oh u came back for her

[latent anvil]

[proud drift]

at first I wasn't tempted enough

but I gave in

what's durian btw

[latent anvil]

spiky smelly fruit

[proud drift]

wait

next event

is exalter?

[latent anvil]

[proud drift]

[latent anvil]

ya

21

[proud drift]

I didn't get time to stock up on sanity pots

ok nvm I do have time ig

[turbid badge]

Yas

Cuz

u see shalem skin

in #game-news

[latent anvil]

[proud drift]

plz gib rma

actually why the hell do I have 20 purple rmas

[turbid badge]

what does wwf stand for

oh

world wildlife fund

[latent anvil]

world war five

[spark sinew]

spoilers!

[latent anvil]

[turbid badge]

spoilers of hwo it happens!

[shrewd hinge]

i am embarking on a journey

of doing entirety of chap 12

without medics or defenders

[gleaming ocean]

Well, good luck

[latent anvil]

that sounds rather painful

[shrewd hinge]

😁

[tidal sedge]

Almost had it, but 2 dudes leaked top

[spark sinew]

🤔

[tidal sedge]

Panic drop

[exotic quarry]

Anyone got some tips for 3-5? most of my operators are max level and some are promoted but im still kinda getting my ass handed to me

[cyan gorge]

E0 max you mean right?

[exotic quarry]

ye

the only E1 operator that i have thats above lvl 1 is humus at lvl 40

[crisp bolt]

based humus

[tidal sedge]

Id have to watch my auto to see what i did

But its a bunch of three stars

Bc thats what i had at that point lol

[peak cloak]

what ops do u have?

[nova wing]

@tidal sedge yo cleared your last annih yet ?

[exotic quarry]

E1 lvl 40 humus. E1 lvl 1 liskarm. E0 Lvl 50 firewhistle. E0 lvl 45 cutter. E0 lvl 45 myrrh. E1 lvl 1 amiya. E0 lvl 50 Zima. E0 lvl 50 siege. E1 lvl 1 texas. E0 lvl 45 gavial. E0 lvl 50 Blue poison. and E1 lvl 1 pramanix

[tidal sedge]

Long Spring? Yes

[turbid badge]

humus is my exealter

(dont have him so getting himw ill be huge one day

[nova wing]

Nice, told you can do it

[tidal sedge]

Yeee

Used La Pluma

[peak cloak]

3-5 is kinda sime.
put your vanguard on the field first.
u do choke hold with 2 defender and a lord guard behind or a melantha as ground squad.

then ,put 2 Anti air sniper in the bush and lets their range reach 2 defender. place medic around your defenders and dont worry about 2 AA snipers in bush. u can replace one AA sniper with an aoe caster just in case u dont have enough dmg to clear the big wave.

[turbid badge]

u best it?

pog

la pluma carry

[tidal sedge]

Yup

[exotic quarry]

would mostima work for the AOE caster? i've got her lvl 40 and never use her since her range is kinda iffy in my opinion

[tidal sedge]

Created a chokepoint and had Horn s1 bomb the top right w/ Lappland S1 providing dps

[turbid badge]

sure but shes a bit expensive to raise

[nova wing]

Mostima is expensive to use without first module

[exotic quarry]

i use siege and zima's first skills for that tbh

[turbid badge]

how are u dieing?

to the casters?

[somber falcon]

Lmd and xp, not dp

[turbid badge]

are u bringing defenders

[exotic quarry]

mainly casters

[turbid badge]

two Single target medics can help

[peak cloak]

maybe the reunion aoe casters out heal him.
cuz a Gavial isnt enough

add hibicus or ansel

[exotic quarry]

i have a whisperain and a sussuro

[turbid badge]

but yeah use mostima

Ull need aoe

dps

[peak cloak]

e1 Sussuro? possible for u?

[exotic quarry]

i could grind for an E1 sussuro

[somber falcon]

Shouldn't humus make it pretty easy
As long as he's not eating caster attacks

[peak cloak]

he will and i'm sure about that

[exotic quarry]

the casters on 3-5 have some beef with my humus, they always target him

[turbid badge]

deploy ur defender last

[nova wing]

E1 lv 20 as the stage recommended, and you'll do fine.

[somber falcon]

Deployment issue

[nova wing]

Place humus first. Defenders last

[somber falcon]

Last deploy = target, unless specified otherwise

[turbid badge]

if you read the tutorial most ranged attacks priority is last deployed unless special targetting in an enemys skills

[nova wing]

One Sniper at the bottom bush. Like Kroos

[exotic quarry]

oh i love schedules, the material i need for sussuro is locked and opens tomorrow

[nova wing]

Always bring 2 medics minimum on all story stages

[somber falcon]

Also just skip your vg
They're really not doing much

[nova wing]

Vg at most you can bring 2

[somber falcon]

Just straight up place humus first

[nova wing]

U don't need more unless the stage rushes you (which happens waaaaay later)

[exotic quarry]

Aight, im gonna go slam my head against the wall that is 3-5 and i'll report back once the brain damage is too much for my 2 remaining braincells to handle

[nova wing]

You can do it

[tidal sedge]

Dang drone

[somber falcon]

Why is the device so far back

[nova wing]

You have 1 Sniper for that thicc drone. What do you expect lol

[tidal sedge]

...

[turbid badge]

lol i totally forgot reaper e0

have eonly

1 block

[nova wing]

Look at that drone. Thick

It's not your usual drone

[tidal sedge]

Didnt know, and was too late anyway

[tidal sedge]

...

[nova wing]

Why is mud at the back instead of the front?

[tidal sedge]

Idk...

Im not good at placements

[nova wing]

You can do better. Defenders front. Guard Lords at the back

[tidal sedge]

If you could look at half my clears its super dumb lol

[turbid badge]

not too bad

[foggy grove]

Mud can prolly just solo that lane

[nova wing]

Bring another vanguard. You'd rush for mud

[turbid badge]

i deployed vanilla to bait the caster attack cuz it woulda killed me

a Marksmen over lava could been better lol

fristons there cuz my reaper e0

[nova wing]

Most story stages are not caster reliant. Just analyse whose the enemies are

[somber falcon]

What vanguards?

[spark sinew]

are you planning to e2 tuye or what
e1 shira instead even though i doubt you need 30% exp

[latent anvil]

e2 tuye

she is so op

[turbid badge]

my pozy not even e w

e2

[latent anvil]

[spark sinew]

bad combo anyway

[latent anvil]

itll be good when you switch to 522

on quintuple cursed proviso

[spark sinew]

it actually wants factories

not tps

and it still sucks on 5 factory setups

[latent anvil]

💀 i forgot cuz i never use it

[turbid badge]

wgz what do u have for suppirt

[latent anvil]

for what

nian hoshi up rn

[turbid badge]

myrtle

[latent anvil]

what do you want

[spark sinew]

he wants to borrow tomimi s2m3 mod2

[latent anvil]

[turbid badge]

ew

already hace

s2m1 mod 2!

[spark sinew]

s2m1

[turbid badge]

dont say it

[spark sinew]

but mod2
actually psycho behaviour

[turbid badge]

dont say it

dont say it

[spark sinew]

too late

[latent anvil]

i needed to build a caster anyway

[spark sinew]

teta rich

[latent anvil]

14 t3 rock

[turbid badge]

build abshinthe

[latent anvil]

why 14 rock 8 red durian

[tidal sedge]

Double shwing

Last one for MN.

[turbid badge]

how u open area 51

[somber falcon]

Just go in

[nova wing]

Press the thing first

[deft badger]

u don't and if u do we will probably never see u again...

[tidal sedge]

Mfer

[deft badger]

btw whats this..

[nova wing]

Why pressure the dude lol

[deft badger]

because i thought he can do better

[nova wing]

I borrowed Chen Alter for this stage

[turbid badge]

too lazy

im doing it now

[tidal sedge]

Where did you put her?

[nova wing]

Blue box

Just remembered to grab the stun mines

Get them both into range and blast them

[foggy grove]

You have mlynar

He can kill both at once

[nova wing]

Oh yeah that works too

Why not both

[tidal sedge]

I tried that. They both didnt go down at all

[tidal sedge]

How? There isnt any good sniper spots

[spark sinew]

mlynar covers like the entire map

the rest you can cover with some aa sniper probably

eyja works as well

[tidal sedge]

It just sucks that the best positions are locked in CM

Puts med tile on a map...
CM: Get fucked

[spark sinew]

it sure does
definitely makes you approach the map differently though

[tidal sedge]

Yeah, thats what im struggling with

The sides are a no go

Bc of the axe dudes

And im not sure a medic can even help here

[nova wing]

Do u have GG?

[tidal sedge]

No

[somber falcon]

Funny you say that
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MK411P7np

[nova wing]

Then 2 snipers at bottom and top lanes when they appear

[tidal sedge]

....

They get destroyed

By the big axe dudes

[nova wing]

Bruh u have mylnar. Swing

[spark sinew]

i wondered why would you need full team for that

than i notice it's medicknight lol

[somber falcon]

Or just, y'know
Tex and yato

[latent monolith]

That's pre hibiscus/reed

[nova wing]

Not enough, I tried. (lvl60s BTW)

[latent monolith]

Actually no that's before kal too

[somber falcon]

Yes

[latent monolith]

this was when the madlads ran folinic solo dps

[spark sinew]

did third incantation medic help them a lot?

or not really

idk what maps they even fail to clear 🤔

[latent monolith]

my guess would be not a huge amount?

but she is a fairly recent release

[latent monolith]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HK411r7ar/ btw the stage can be done by 2 medics now

"medics"

[somber falcon]

Well yea but that's less impressive

[latent monolith]

I think the h7-4 clear was sick

h10-3 too

[foggy grove]

with what you have
this is kinda overkilling

grab the mine,it trivialize it a lot

[tidal sedge]

"Use Mlynar"
gets crushed by a hammer

[tidal sedge]

I used the mines...barely did anything

[foggy grove]

it's a long stun,you can keep them perma stunned

you have even texalt s3 to harass them even more

[tidal sedge]

Ok...
How do you keep them from bashing my ops to dust. He hit Saria and Mlynar and they both ko'd

[spark sinew]

blocking with mlynar and then dying is ill advised, you could put him on the bottom if you want
are both mlynar and saria are in "cross" shape relative to each other?

[tidal sedge]

No Mlynar was behind saria

[spark sinew]

like that?

saria = SA, mlynar is the red line

[tidal sedge]

No

Mlynar was directly behind her

[nova wing]

Even with kaltsit?

[tidal sedge]

?

I couldnt even get Kal down

[somber falcon]

Here, no device

[clever depot]

is shining alter good for cc or what is she good for

[foggy grove]

shining alter

[clever depot]

i mean

silence

haha

[spark sinew]

she powercrept mlynar

so kinda

shining alter that is

[spark sinew]

i don't think i ever saw her in cc?
that said we only had pinch out and pyrolysis since she was released i believe

[clever depot]

yeah im just trying to decide if I m3 her s3

[spark sinew]

already e2?

[clever depot]

yeah

[spark sinew]

i heard that people like s2 more in general, but

[clever depot]

oh nice I havent even tried it yet lol

[nova wing]

Her S3 turns your ops into Immortal surt. 2 times only

[clever depot]

yeah thats pretty crazy

[nova wing]

So your timing has to be accurate

[spark sinew]

i mean it lasts 60 seconds and you can manually deactivate

[nova wing]

Why don't you play around at lv7? If you liked it just M3 then

[spark sinew]

how badly would you need to mistime s3

[clever depot]

yeah im gonna try both, s2 sounds pretty good as well

thank you all

[latent monolith]

Her S2 has better mastery gains

but it really depends on which one you find more useful

I M6ed her and didn't really touch her since just kinda lazy

[foggy grove]

so rich

[turbid badge]

wtf red defender o

op

[tidal sedge]

MN done.
Had to panic drop Texalter in hammer bro

Tho i got him to a sliver bc Mudrock had a bonk duel with him

[turbid badge]

wowthe sniper in this new daily is crazy

they one shot everything

[frozen cedar]

only if you take risks

[spark sinew]

surtr outside of s3 survives i believe?

or maybe they were shooting the altar...
and then you can proc s3

[limpid siren]

Yea you can do some funny tricks with the gelato stop to keep sooty alive

[turbid badge]

Ngl justyna looks amazing

bottom lane

but to kill the uhh

Archers

u need like

surtr mlynar

together

there so tanky

[frozen cedar]

you need ines to decloak them, and then probably just surtr

what risks?

[turbid badge]

spalter s2 is that water bubble

s2*

[spark sinew]

the beauty of using max rarity
just do max

[turbid badge]

five star clear max

[spark sinew]

not always

maybe in this map they do
but like in previous ones they don't
and obviously you won't know it without trying/looking up

[frozen cedar]

i havent seen anyone trying to max risk any of poo

[turbid badge]

ill just leak them

[spark sinew]

a lot of people even here did max daily 1 and 2

[turbid badge]

daily 2 wasnt that bad

ill try to leak the two archers

[frozen cedar]

their stats without risks

[somber falcon]

59k hp on max

[turbid badge]

ok cant tank

too crazy

[frozen cedar]

yes doing max risk this daily is crazy

the whole DP issue was not concieved for it

[spark sinew]

is3 broke me
i thought you were laughing at how low 60k hp is

too bad our ops are also debuffed

[frozen cedar]

the 60K HP Isn't the issue, the global range and killing anything in a few hits and you got no DP because the DP situation

[turbid badge]

yea no dp is annoying

Basically make u need to brute force

howd ya guys kill the bone throwers at the start

i just used SA

[weak gazelle]

hate this and every POO daily

[frozen cedar]

its not bad if you just do 150 at a time

but if you try to do 420, thats insane

[weak gazelle]

if to fill mission only that easy as fuck

me stuck at 350

last sniper dude really destroy my setup

[limpid siren]

Wdym stuck, isn’t that a win?

💪

[frozen cedar]

he wants the funny 420 number

[polar crane]

surprise it will return in cc

[spark sinew]

the one i saw was ||texas and kei nario nazasu ||
the latter was also setting up the laneholding part though, you would deploy a proper tank before the gelato is destroyed

[somber falcon]

just use ines

[limpid siren]

430 should be possible for 5*

[nova wing]

Or a strong dps while they are hitting the gelato

[frozen cedar]

I clicked all the risks, it said 420 unless i missed one

[limpid siren]

Sorry typo

I meant 420 years

[spark sinew]

i mean those are strong dps

[somber falcon]

a ranged op + reed s2

yato s1 also works

[turbid badge]

My sa has 47 defense skull

💀

2

[somber falcon]

spalter is pog for top lane

[spark sinew]

vanguard hp is very funny there

[turbid badge]

arky has a essay coming

[weak gazelle]

well, in a sense yeah
cause i build my own strat
aware that 5* capable for max risk but unfortunately mine cant do that

[limpid siren]

Haven’t really had the time to mald lately

Doubt id hit max for this daily

[turbid badge]

Texas free dp carry

[weak gazelle]

i see
yeah myself too just force to clear it due to lack of game time

[turbid badge]

wow finally

not maxed sadly

chong skalt goes so hard

now im stalling these guys sogh

[spark sinew]

why

my dude

[turbid badge]

o right

i thought i took doro 2 risk

[spark sinew]

[foggy grove]

lmao imagine if no one pointed it out

[turbid badge]

72.5k lmd

[balmy jolt]

hey it'll save you several hours if you can leak the two rocket bots

[turbid badge]

looking at the poo daily ruined my brain frfr

[frozen cedar]

is it really a daily when they are only 3 of them for a 2 week event

[limpid siren]

the event still calls them dailies

and at this point it's just the common nomenclature

[glass monolith]

Daily 3 max is easy. Just survive +3420% HP CC8 PTSD

[lapis hornet]

I thought daily 3 would be easy ngl lol

it took me longer than I expected

mainly cause I kept trying mlynar

but he's trash cause of the taunt

but he lived one time so I thought I just needed better timing

finally gave up and just leaked snipers lol

well just the last one

daily 2 was p ugh tho

[turbid badge]

daily 2 was exu carry

daily 3 is crazy yes

Didnt bother taking the risks

u have to mald with invincibility

dps

saw an justyna surtr mlynar spalter barley kill one of em they hurt alot so spalter just took all the hits

and u cant really@leak them cuz corrosion sniper just kills everything

Hoshiguma gonna get Her defense reduced to ashes

the “limited dp” really shortens how you play things out for me

especially for 420

[sly drift]

Tsaltshu tier list for end game

[turbid badge]

whats ?

why nian there

can they not rank her or cn comm get mad

ic why ah and summoners there

or does tsalthu not have nian

time to check vid

or they korean

Woops

oh i cant understand what he said

[spark sinew]

thorns is pretty high

[turbid badge]

for nian

[spark sinew]

nian is just the best regular defender

even before her modules

[turbid badge]

why shes in ? tho?

[spark sinew]

oh i tried to see her at the top tiers

thought you disagreed with that

idk why she's in ?

may i ask who is tsaltshu though

[turbid badge]

dunno

just saw he was live

and still doingg the list

but i cant understand KR so idk whats happening and the comments are all in KR

[spark sinew]

if it's anything like cn tierlist that i saw today it's just unranked because it depends

[sly drift]

KR content creator who happens to play cn AK

[spark sinew]

like they don't like to rank AH

[turbid badge]

yeah

they dont like to rank AH

[spark sinew]

summoners and dorothy are also usually unranked

weird how nian is in that tier

[frozen cedar]

just to clarify which eyja is in SSS and which is in SS?

[spark sinew]

i won't bother speculating

[sly drift]

Probably because AH need to work together to be very strong

[turbid badge]

alt is SSS

[spark sinew]

lol, some good art she has

yeah it's alter at the top

[frozen cedar]

may I ask why caster eyja is so much lower

[turbid badge]

is ss that much lower?

[foggy grove]

if anything it's a tad higher

[spark sinew]

clearly trash af unit, only SS

[sly drift]

Ss is powerful operator

[somber falcon]

It's literally next door

[frozen cedar]

bottom of SS tier is much lower than SSS

[foggy grove]

ss is unusable fr

[frozen cedar]

she's below mostima

[sly drift]

All thing considered shes Still ss tho.

[spark sinew]

i wonder what's the criteria
doesn't seem to be hard content

a lot of good stuff is lower than mountain or thorns

[sly drift]

Very end game seems like

[frozen cedar]

the criteria is eyja is worse than mostima

[spark sinew]

||true ||

anyway

[sly drift]

Do you know why?

[turbid badge]

i dont think its based on the where he puts it though,

[spark sinew]

mosti actually has a niche

that isn't "i deal damage"

[sly drift]

Its stronger on left in order

[spark sinew]

she's regularly clutching the slow/stun immune boss and other shit

[turbid badge]

oh

dang wtf

thorns is pretty high

[sly drift]

Mostima is strong unit imo. That 99% mov speed is cracked af
And so far no one immune to it

[spark sinew]

meanwhile we have so much dps units it's not even funny (and even if you cut it to arts only, we have plenty to sub eyja with)

so she's very much replaceable in her strats

[turbid badge]

is jess alt that good?

How much solo clears she has rn

[sly drift]

[spark sinew]

oh yeah maybe it's IS4 list

although jess would be higher ig

it's fun to speculate

[turbid badge]

true

the title is just making a toerlist back 6 months

[proud drift]

is ceobe supposed to be that high

[spark sinew]

eunectes lower than carne though

we're winning

ceobe is cracked with the module

[turbid badge]

talents useful af

[spark sinew]

and HG keeps making insane stats for enemies

[sly drift]

What surprise me the most is hoederrer in A

[turbid badge]

higher defense higher dog

hoe not trash

[spark sinew]

i mean...

[turbid badge]

ash better than exu fr

[sly drift]

Seems like he has 0 def is a thing

[spark sinew]

behind the powerhouse such as swire

[sly drift]

Ash is way better than Exu imo

Auto activation burst is stupid af

[turbid badge]

its pretty easy to control if ur helidrop and stuff

[sly drift]

Yea and then she deal two digit damage unless you bring shit ton of buffs

[foggy grove]

that's just the fate of marksman

[spark sinew]

ash does pretty much the same though

she can't even use her s2 fully without outside help

[somber falcon]

Like how when ash doesn't have stun?

[sly drift]

Ash avoid it sonehow. She still deal huge damage as long as the enemies stunnable

[spark sinew]

but even on full s2 it's meh damage nowadays, no?

[lapis hornet]

wait typhon sss tier lmao

[turbid badge]

op

what even is her total damage on s3?

[spark sinew]

is she not? i haven't been keeping up with CN stuff

[sly drift]

She one cycle patriot p1 with only shamare debuff

[frozen cedar]

nobody is argueing Typhon is not SSS tier

[sly drift]

She IS sss tier

[foggy grove]

i would but i'm keeping it to myself

[spark sinew]

is that good

nowadays operators solo 7-18 and people still doompost them

[sly drift]

Yeah?

We talk about ash s2 not comparing overmeta like degen and shits

[foggy grove]

p1 is not stun immune right?

[sly drift]

Yea

[turbid badge]

Oh

the ? is unranked

i think

they just moved carnelian down there

[spark sinew]

if you want to compare to exu, then ash just falls off a cliff on chonkier bosses

when you bring an actual buffs instead of just shamare
patriot is an old decrepit man because powecreep

[sly drift]

Everyone fall below exu if we talk about ceiling damage

[spark sinew]

so i would argue ash damage just doesn't keep up with the modern bloat

that's assuming the thing you want to kill is stunnable

or that ash weird targeting won't get in the way

[turbid badge]

🐐

[spark sinew]

oh no

my man went full cope on the goat

[sly drift]

In fact i still use Ash in every run unless it's cc and very hard thing. Ash + Texalt cc combo is just out of this world

[foggy grove]

carne is easy
just put her bseide vigil

[lapis hornet]

i use ash more often than exu tbh but yeah she's situational

actually used ash in daily 3

[turbid badge]

against what

[lapis hornet]

throwers

[turbid badge]

oh

i just eyja s3 borh

both*

[sly drift]

Carne post mod 3 ssss tier frfr

[spark sinew]

4? seconds faster s3

top tier for sure

[turbid badge]

3lil

lol

45.5 to 42 secs and like 20% dps increase

[spark sinew]

salting the wound

i hate how it basically did jack all for uncharged s2

which is basically how she's often forced to operate

[turbid badge]

hvit cracked balans

[lapis hornet]

i remember this guy had a wack tier list before also lol

but hey it's his opinion don't really have a problem with it

everyone is biased

[spark sinew]

it looks deliberately out of place to farm impressions

but idk, maybe it's not

[sly drift]

Nah it just usual tier list where everyone have their own tier list.

[sly drift]

Still I think THIS tier list is indeed wacky for some part

[turbid badge]

all i know is her s1 is strong consistent 2 target healing, and s3 massive hp buff and global healing

dont know why pure medic is SSS

[sly drift]

Second highest single target heal and she heal 2
Balansss

[spark sinew]

the best pure medic, that's also unique

[turbid badge]

fair

[spark sinew]

i don't see why not
to judge his placements you need to know his tier... explanation

which uhh
yeah

[sly drift]

Ejya is not pure healer. She is elemental healer that heal better than everyone else with that huge range

And the fact that elemental damage is the most painful shit you can expect on Arknights atm

Deserve sss

[lapis hornet]

has she been relevant tho so far other than asqol

is she any good in is4?

[plush grove]

guys wtf is a sanctuary jugdement

im trying to get the last medal

[frozen cedar]

she can heal all elemental damage at any range, and therefore she can heal your depression and is cheaper than therapy

[plush grove]

broh

[lapis hornet]

crazy

wait random red255 jumpscare

i missed your random jokes my man

[tropic valve]

that's so crazy Dusk is in the best tier

[sly drift]

All 100 judgment equally in all corner means 600 risk bruh

[spark sinew]

that explains a lot

[tropic valve]

A Dusk is All You Need

[somber falcon]

Nobody says you have to do it all at once

[spark sinew]

hoerderer is in A, standing for Ass then

[lapis hornet]

dusk deserves best tier

idk about schwarz tho

[foggy grove]

eyja popping off on dos because burn iirc
idk if she is popping off elsewhere

[peak cloak]

cirno changed so quick. what caused that?

[tropic valve]

I realized that if the enemy has 10000 DEF and 0 RES, Dusk does more damage

[nova wing]

What's the condition?

[plush grove]

get 100 points on all 6 sanctuary judgement

u dont have to do them all at once

[dawn quiver]

send help R800

[spark sinew]

r800

[dawn quiver]

its all over overpot that made some of the operator do higher dmg making nian take that robot

[peak cloak]

F

[tiny talon]

3 4

[peak cloak]

4-3= 1
3+4= 7

are u asking for 1-7?

[deft badger]

baited me to google tier list arknight out of curiosity

😂 😂 😂 ..

[versed arrow]

you know the tierlist is sus the moment they used the term 'heroes' for operators imagine trusting a op tier list in AK

[cinder pike]

your better off asking chat-gpt/bard for this info

[lean obsidian]

Any good ranged operators for mumu?

[versed arrow]

any marksman or doro

[tiny talon]

3-4

[deft badger]

found a good one 😄

[foggy grove]

weird one

[crisp bolt]

EN needs to read how to use Aak?

[deft badger]

that's a doesn't need a brain tier list lol

[crisp bolt]

I thought you just placed him, pressed s3, and killed your ranged ops

[proud drift]

half of these don't make sense

[lean obsidian]

Any good ranged operators for mumu?

[versed arrow]

en doesnt need to read = afk skill ops imo. the others are in en must read. deep fried = those summoners

[proud drift]

it still doesn't make sense

[deft badger]

which part doesn't

[proud drift]

why does EN need to read to use ifrit, thorns, hoshiguma, blaze to name a few

Ling is the peak of "doesn't need to read" unless we're talking ling solos

[deft badger]

ifrit hits one lane, thorns have to activate 2 times, hoshi does nothing, blaze just sucks 😄

ling needs a brain to be used

[proud drift]

you made me think I accidently started typing in #help

[deft badger]

non did say to take it serious

[main solstice]

so why is penance hard?

thats a good one

[deft badger]

he put penance down there

because mud is better hahahaha

and u have to use penance skill

[main solstice]

is it hard to activate skill when its up ?

and skalter is also hard?

that tier list hurt my eyes its so bad

[deft badger]

told u don't take it serious like every tier list

[main solstice]

of course its impossible to take that serious

[deft badger]

fact is there isn't a tier list that can be taken serious anyway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YRRvSxojkA&ab_channel=Yii

still its funny 😄

[proud drift]

tierlists can be taken serious if it's made with effort of a mass collective

and people actually weigh in options

issue is that the game requires too much adaptation to have a "works for all" tierlist

[lapis hornet]

what lol

nah

[deft badger]

no they can't be taken serious

and pls don't tell that to a new player like ever

[proud drift]

I never said to take a tierlist serious

I said they CAN be taken serious

Arknights just don't have a serious tierlist

[cosmic thicket]

i can't take a tierlist seriously if most of its contributors suck at the game

[deft badger]

literally playing a game where u can do the worst bs u came up and pass

[lapis hornet]

lol

gamepress tl is p good ppl just love to shit on tier lists cause everyone thinks their opinion is better

the collective tho is bs most ppl are just followers

[proud drift]

issue is that there are different tierlist categories needed to have "proper tierlists"

[lapis hornet]

I'd rather see a tl from someone I know is decently experienced even if I don't agree with everything

[lost summit]

Yeah it's a really good way to just evaluate operators quickly

[proud drift]

new player tierlist, IS tierlist, SSS tierlist, CC tierlist, etc.

[lapis hornet]

naw see the thing is

cc is just like one map per season

[cosmic thicket]

cc tier list is kind of bs bc it heavily depends on enemies map and tags

[proud drift]

there's still the general use ops right

some that work for half the maps at least

[cosmic thicket]

vanguards and surtr

excellent tierlist

[deft badger]

gamepress ranked them in the right way, by class and archetype
but the only problem is that some archetypes suck xD

[proud drift]

[lost summit]

Poor kirara

[deft badger]

which makes the list usless in the end if u are new to the game

[lapis hornet]

IS is also like very specific

it's what, a couple difficult maps and then the bosses

so you're tiering for 6 maps per season lol

[lost summit]

They have a new player tier list on gp

[proud drift]

yeah but it's still op choices that make it much easier to consistently progress IS, right

because IS makes you value 4* units a lot more for example

[cosmic thicket]

more like 3* units

[lapis hornet]

I don't actually value 4* that much

ya 3* and then whatever goes

[lost summit]

They have a IS tier list too

[lapis hornet]

plus like what's good in is also depends on the difficulty so

[sullen rover]

more like 5 stars

[cosmic thicket]

im 90% sure it's not updated so it has thorns as S+

autocorrect moment

[lapis hornet]

sounds like it was made for is2 ye

[lost summit]

Is Thorns bad now or smth? He used to be in every guide as an essential op

[cosmic thicket]

he's just not that useful

[sullen rover]

typhon now exists and is just better thorns

[cosmic thicket]

like his main function is to make easy content easier

[lapis hornet]

thorns's a stat stick who loses a lot of value when he's outstatted

and he's being outstatted a lot more often nowadays

in comparison blaze aged a lot better thanks to her aoe

[deft badger]

blaze will be nice with her mod soon

[lapis hornet]

also we used to have content with a lot of squishy-ish fliers that thorns made trivial but thats' just not the case anymore

[lost summit]

I still don't have blaze or Eyja 😭

[lapis hornet]

it's okay there's so many units nowadays

[lost summit]

Yeah but Eyja is still soooo gooood

[lapis hornet]

everyone's replaceable unless you're doing nerd stuff

[lost summit]

I want le volcano

[lapis hornet]

lol when goldenglow came out everyone said eyja was p irrelevant

[lost summit]

They fill different niches so hard though

GG does NOT have the aoe nuke Eyja does

But GG has better sustained and long range damage

So tradeoff

[cosmic thicket]

i treat them as sidegrades

[proud drift]

more or less sidegrades, Eyja more consistent, but GG can be stronger if used right

Eyja also has more AoE in a way

but GG has global range potential

her S2 allows them to be sidegrades

[lost summit]

Which is really useful against annoying bosses or just enemies you want to kill from far away

[proud drift]

one thing that Eyja has over GG is

Eyja doesn't make ur auto fail

[lost summit]

Is blaze better than Gavialter?

[foggy grove]

at afk

[lost summit]

This is true. GG rng moment

[foggy grove]

[lapis hornet]

yeah if you don't mind active skills gavial's better

well most of the time

[cosmic thicket]

initial sp:

[deft badger]

they are pushing new ops way to fast..

going to be harder and harder to balance the game not to be that easy at the other hand to keep it easy since people like the fact that u can use low tiers to win

[lapis hornet]

game's always been easy

(with rarity abuse)

[dusky grove]

Dw stat revamp soon

Buff will come one way or another

[proud drift]

they can counter powercreep by releasing content adapted to powercreep, but that also makes said content very unfun because now you just require owning specific units or the stage is 50x harder

[deft badger]

i mean at a point u have to decide to u come with better ideas to make a op fun so that people what to get the op or do u make the op broken which is easy to do and people still want it but f- up the game in the end

then u get to the point where it gets to easy when u have to many broken ops u have to make the game harder which again kills some older ops

[proud drift]

alternatively, just release good designs and people will pull for them anyways

[lapis hornet]

content is getting harder tho

[proud drift]

[dusky grove]

Is it harder

Ok actually

[deft badger]

i like that they decided to not make more ops like chalter

[dusky grove]

Recent H stages are harder

[foggy grove]

it's more stat checky so there is that

[dusky grove]

[foggy grove]

even brick is kinda more useful now

[lapis hornet]

bosses used to be a lot more straightforward

remember the one we had in chungus event lol

that stuff just didn't exist before

[foggy grove]

[deft badger]

well they have to make stuff like that

i don't even mind if they make some rng bs with more then 2 stages that still can be done with low tier and is hard at the same time with 6 stars

[lapis hornet]

ya bricks have been good for a while

[deft badger]

have to make the broken ops not relevant in a way

[lapis hornet]

ppl sleeping on them

[dusky grove]

They should also bring back silence a lot more

[lapis hornet]

ppl laugh when I say jessica gonna be more relevant than the nth dps option like typhon or exalt smh

[dusky grove]

Can change direction

[lapis hornet]

she just is a better brick

[dusky grove]

Infinitely more useful

[lapis hornet]

like we have what 3 bricks

[dusky grove]

[lapis hornet]

hoshi nian

and now jessica

also mf nian's been in like a billion max risks

I been using hoshi every event

but muh dps!!!

[dusky grove]

Looking more like a tower defense now

Actually defense

[lapis hornet]

lol

[latent monolith]

she also got a really good module

[lapis hornet]

ya it doesn't look bad

[latent monolith]

It gives like 4 different multiplicative bonuses

so it goes pretty hard

I calced like 38% dps gain at 0 def and 61% at 1k def on S2M3 on blocked enemies

26% and 47% on unblocked

[lapis hornet]

that's p big wtf

[latent monolith]

You get like 70 base atk, a few more atk%, 12 aspd and 110% atk scale

[lapis hornet]

lol wtf

mod3 vs no mod

[polar crane]

so is blaze good?

[deft badger]

the mod is good what i would say

[lapis hornet]

I mean

modern stuff like exalt will still have bigger numbers

[frozen cedar]

blaze will answer alot of problems for you

[polar crane]

I feel like she not better than crocodile

[frozen cedar]

we getting a crossover with XCOM?

[polar crane]

[lapis hornet]

I'm biased like I still use blaze and thorns in every event so

[glass monolith]

We have random crit on our shit. Enemy has random oneshots on their shit.
Mobile Xcom confirmed

[polar crane]

[deft badger]

blaze is good when that s2 goes on till then she is just yeah taking heavy dmg doing like non dmg 😄

[lapis hornet]

the thing with gavial is

I have to figure out when to hold skills when to press buttons, it's one more thing to keep track of

I'm a boomer I don't have the time or motivation to mald normal maps nowadays lol

altho kinda tempted to try 800

plus I feel like gavial's kinda mid for an active skill she rarely comes to mind when I'm picking units

[versed arrow]

its ok, I use them too in every event since I afk the stage if I can and they are good for it

[deft badger]

which other lane holders would u use?

[glass monolith]

If lane holded it is good enough

[deft badger]

thorns and blaze are more then good enough, high def atk atkspeed

only problem they face is a tanky add which again u can add a other dd to deal with them so they are fine did drop a bit but still top guards to deal with a lot of adds

[frozen cedar]

AKA SKILL ISSUE

[lapis hornet]

ya

also like

why bother pressing buttons when I can not press buttons

[sharp swallow]

Help is kinda crazy rn so I’ll ask here. In the new event, what allows you to get Planned Insight, and ect, because I keep getting Bs and Cs

I do stick to a minimum, as to make things easier

[lapis hornet]

different risks give different stuff

easiest is just to watch a guide and copy the risks they take tbh

[deft badger]

can we see ur ops?

[sharp swallow]

Tbh I’ve been using every one normally except Kalt because I did the tile restriction one

[deft badger]

what else do u have?

[lapis hornet]

he's not having problems beating stages

he just wanna know how to get to100 of each smh

[sharp swallow]

These are my relevant operators

[deft badger]

the medal? 6x100 of each

i am confused right now 😄

or are we talking about r600

[sharp swallow]

The event, I’ve only been getting Bs and Cs, and it’s been stacking in almost random areas every time

[polar crane]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Research_Base_Quarantine_Zone/Test_Criteria
you can check here

[lapis hornet]

just copy a ytber man no need sweating over that stuff

[clever kernel]

the cringe one is 100 insight iirc

the easiest one is the 1000% hp robots

and giga doro

[lapis hornet]

for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usd1MucX6VI

[polar crane]

i think they are doing the 50 planning and insight thing

[lapis hornet]

idk I had 2 left after doing 600 and they were both easy

[polar crane]

they just asked about that earlier in #help

[lapis hornet]

oh

[clever kernel]

i dont wanna say this

[lapis hornet]

can also copy yt lol!

[clever kernel]

but unironically

copu kyo risks

[polar crane]

just copy youtube ye

[clever kernel]

cancer gamemode

never again

[polar crane]

#strategy loss it job

[sharp swallow]

Thank you

[clever kernel]

for planning

[polar crane]

dos even more cancer than dis

[clever kernel]

the 1 hp risks and tile block gives decent amount

[lapis hornet]

this event's alr once you get used to it

[clever kernel]

also

[lapis hornet]

the 6x100 kinda achore tho

[clever kernel]

i got 4x100 from doing 600

so its not that bad

[lapis hornet]

same

I tried 800 earlier but couldn't open smh

[clever kernel]

the real chore is the fucking 1000% hp risk

[lapis hornet]

need to figure out something else

hp bloat's fine you can still nuke it except last 2 bots

it's not any worse than cc11 or smth

[clever kernel]

its fine alright

just a chore

[lapis hornet]

it's just cc 🤷‍♀️

except 600 is harder than r 18

[clever kernel]

true!

i can skip it

[lapis hornet]

ig I'm used to high risks so I didn't feel it

[clever kernel]

and doesnt fucking matter

[clever kernel]

the stall is more boring for this one

cc12 max risk stall was not bad

[lapis hornet]

hmm if you did stall strats maybe yeah

I'm not sure what ppl do this time rly haven't rly watched much yt/bili