strategy

[zealous sleet]

As with all CCs and CC-like events I will not partake in it

[limpid siren]

[zealous sleet]

[scarlet ledge]

wait

[limpid siren]

can always borrow ig

unless boss stage has a good mat

[scarlet ledge]

can even 5★ do leaking gundam strat?

hmm

with dumb bloated stat of enemy

[limpid siren]

i don't know much about pinch out

[turbid badge]

whats kjera module

upgrades

[scarlet ledge]

shit

Shit

SHIT

[turbid badge]

fr?

uhhhhh

[scarlet ledge]

rockrock take the w

[zealous sleet]

Rockrock W?

[zealous sleet]

That is an extremely easy talent to activate

[scarlet ledge]

still have fun on s2 freeze rng

[limpid siren]

yea

[turbid badge]

holy shit

that is

somethijg

[zealous sleet]

That is the most bland stat boost talent I have even seen

[scarlet ledge]

igneus

show rockrock and click

module

[zealous sleet]

What is this
Infographic for ants?

[turbid badge]

yk you can zoom in

its not blurry😤

[zealous sleet]

Sir I'm on a laptop

[turbid badge]

click the png

[zealous sleet]

oh cool
It's in Chinese

[fast basin]

Its cn arknights, what do u expect

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye @limpid siren seems new elemental damage is found
burn for enemy kekw

[zealous sleet]

🤔

[turbid badge]

wtf

aspd increase

watch it be 10

[zealous sleet]

Worthless mod2

[turbid badge]

[zealous sleet]

But mod3 need some good numbers

What is this

[little orchid]

reed2 mod is the biggest disappointment in this batch, honestly

[zealous sleet]

Expected, as her damage is already nuts

[turbid badge]

i exected that lol

i remmeber salmon or halley

said that

the exact same thing lmfaooo

[gray stone]

Halley
I haven't commented anything about modules today

[little orchid]

on the bright side, that's 12 module blocks saved

[celest bluff]

Mf it in Chinese

[plucky flint]

Go lower

[turbid badge]

nvm i spead misinfo it my cn brudda

[tidal sedge]

Oh right. Modules

Hm. Vendela's is weaker than I expected.

[cosmic thicket]

i also have not commented anything about modules today

[gray stone]

So neither of us

[cosmic thicket]

i guess so

[river atlas]

Standard doomposting

[vernal lion]

I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING

[quick pecan]

reed module is pretty much existing for the atk at this point

but they might do some like +30 bs

[polar crane]

[vernal lion]

true

[river atlas]

Doesnt lv3 module generally give about 8-9% more base stat

[ocean jolt]

So uh

SN-10

That is indeed a boss fight

[cosmic thicket]

Well uh

[celest bluff]

It was the easy one

[quick pecan]

reed has a lot of multipliers so i assume they’re too scared to over adjust them

[ocean jolt]

One that I am unable to figure out

[cosmic thicket]

I have bad news

[quick pecan]

she already does crazy damage so it makes sense

[celest bluff]

Introducing
S stage

[cosmic thicket]

ye

[ocean jolt]

The pathing for the fight throws me off

Whenever I kill it it respawns on another part of the map

How many phases does it have?

[celest bluff]

What bro

What

3 phase

[cosmic thicket]

it just eats

well 4 if u count the level 1 noob phase

[celest bluff]

Just kill it in the first title with true damage and Rosa

Bind

[ocean jolt]

Well I got it to the last phase then

So Im not doing as badly as I thought

[cosmic thicket]

what's ur squad

[ocean jolt]

Lemme log in again

Accidentally closed out of the tab

[celest bluff]

What line up you using

[cosmic thicket]

the fuck

[vernal lion]

[ocean jolt]

Whats wrong with it?

[celest bluff]

Where your fucking lappland

[somber falcon]

[cosmic thicket]

i don't understand how are you still struggling

[ocean jolt]

Its mainly boss pathing

[celest bluff]

DEAR GOD NO

[cosmic thicket]

the boss pathing is predictable though?

[celest bluff]

It literally just

[somber falcon]

It's a straight line to box without detours or loops

[celest bluff]

How do we even

[vernal lion]

isn't the boss path just U word?

[somber falcon]

Ye

[cosmic thicket]

literally this

[ocean jolt]

So it doesnt change with each phase?

For some dumb reason I thought it did

[somber falcon]

No enemy ever have that

[celest bluff]

Okay this shit is cool
What is this

[cosmic thicket]

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/act17side_10

[vernal lion]

at least it's not chad Bloodknight going strainght to the bluebox

[ocean jolt]

Off to try to beat it again while not being a dumbass

I have no idea why I thought the pathing changed

[celest bluff]

Hmm

Funny enough

I didn't even bring caster

[ocean jolt]

Ok now I just cant kill it fast enough

idk how

[vernal lion]

which phase

[ocean jolt]

I have Texalter, Eben, and Eyja all using skills on it

Final phase

I cant block it

[vernal lion]

because it's 2 block

[ocean jolt]

No I mean it spawns behind a placeable tile

[river atlas]

Block it earlier then

[ocean jolt]

I cant

It doesnt spawn anywhere where I can block it

[surreal star]

you can try gnosis with aspd and the status duration buff

easy cheese method

[cosmic thicket]

yeah what r ur little handy buffs

[ocean jolt]

I dont have Gnosis

[river atlas]

…? Doesnt it respawn on the same tile it dies on

[cosmic thicket]

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/act17side_10 also you can show us ur placements here

[surreal star]

are you fine with a borrow?

[ocean jolt]

nope

[cosmic thicket]

it does though

[ocean jolt]

At this point I dont care

[ocean jolt]

Ive watched it respawn several times

[river atlas]

record your run or something

[ocean jolt]

No it does not

[river atlas]

I want proof

[cosmic thicket]

it goes somewhere else to eat but respawns on the tile it died

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct0vIqn4HMQ

in this video the boss doesn't even move past the first deployable tile in front of the red box

[ocean jolt]

I finally beat the dumbass thing

Sadly no 3*

[turbid badge]

L

[celest bluff]

Not funny that we can't ball Kristen

Imagine giving us event mechanics that can deal damage but can't use that on boss

[vernal lion]

because ball is too broken

[celest bluff]

I swear it deal more damage

Was it ex stage or s stage

I trying to remember a funny stage

Oh yeah this stage

Arknights mobs what they see two human size boulder moving 50km/h on a pathway

[limpid siren]

Wait till he sees the red 0

[ocean jolt]

I still cant get 3 stars on it

I dont have all the ops that the video guides Im looking at use

[plucky flint]

Wtf igne replying from a message 2 weeks ago

[limpid siren]

How tf

[vernal lion]

I can't believe Roomba actually killed all phases of this boss

[turbid badge]

how tf

time travel

[limpid siren]

Idk mobile discord sent me to the stone age for some reason

[ocean jolt]

Ok so I figured out how the bosses buff mechanics work

Im going through all of this for a background

Apparently getting three stars on SN-10 and one of the Under Tides levels gets me a beach background

[turbid badge]

bubble is bubbling

[vernal lion]

wait it's not sale off

[plucky flint]

Yes, it's "fuck off"

[tidal sedge]

Kjera module upgrades is just +5% atk

[celest bluff]

NO MY PULLS

[tidal sedge]

Or wait. +8%. Still not great though

Hibifier arts amp jumps from 12% to 20%. Hm.

Well, she's in the e2 80 club, so I think I'm obligated to max her module regardless.

[vernal lion]

the Specter tile

[neat skiff]

Oh right, pinch out today-ish.

[tidal sedge]

Kazemaru is fun there too.

Ambushers too for that matter

[blazing raven]

Mumu and Ines masteries on?

[neat skiff]

Mumu S3, Ines S2 first.

[tidal sedge]

S3 for MuMu, not sure about Ines

[vernal lion]

for utility, Ines s3 will be better,
for camping, just use s2

[blazing raven]

[vernal lion]

hmm

[blazing raven]

Naga do my is3

[vernal lion]

I wish

but not much free time

[blazing raven]

I am feeling burnout for IS

[gray stone]

Ok
How much total damage does Degen has

[weak gazelle]

yeah kjera one are the weakest mod among mech accord mod imo
funny thing i value minimalist mod excellent

[vernal lion]

red = Degen, blue = Chen, pupple = Irene

left is dmg, below is enemy def

[sullen rover]

what sp cost

[tidal sedge]

Minimalist? Really? Isn't it just +5% better crit chance and +10% more crit damage?

I guess that pairs well with higher trait ceiling ig

[surreal star]

[vernal lion]

20 initial sp, 30 sp

[tidal sedge]

Auto recovery btw

[vernal lion]

yea

[gray stone]

WHAT

AUTO

It's so joever for Irene

[vernal lion]

we have like ChongYue and Qiubai are also semi Auto sp + Hit sp

[surreal star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712251347612729364/1181479567995699251/image.png?ex=65813597&is=656ec097&hm=bf02d5d762b9dd74ea836d6e871529254033a4ddab78a108d2b1262a5562c8e2&

s1 looks good too ngl

[vernal lion]

definitely m9 her

[surreal star]

unless i made the graph wrong

[gray stone]

Irene goes bye bye

[tidal sedge]

I had a feeling they'd give it auto recovery tbh. Irene isn't too well liked as it is

[sullen rover]

poor birb

[weak gazelle]

as much as i hate minimalist he get a good mod for me
35% crit chance is good enough for him imo

[vernal lion]

Irene now joins Year 1 club

[gray stone]

No fucking way Irene does less than Ch'en

Wtf

[cold sluice]

I’m gonna need several new pairs of shorts if Penance is in the shop

[tidal sedge]

She's not

[cold sluice]

Market for shorts is in shambles

[weak gazelle]

while rock2 got +5 aspd with full stack talent
and the initial stack was look very good

[tidal sedge]

That seems strange. Is Irene's def ignore not working there?

[weak gazelle]

it just how the interaction with her s2? i am curious

[gray stone]

Wtfart is that base skill

Degen is just Jaye 2?

[viscid jolt]

does anyone know how to beat this

[sullen rover]

throns borrow

[merry narwhal]

summoners destroy that map

[viscid jolt]

oh what path

[vernal lion]

almost dead lmao

[viscid jolt]

oh wow

[weak gazelle]

noir, fang, ansel on the left

the rest i believe you know what to do

[magic mist]

If you don't have thorns borrow it or try some good snipers

[merry narwhal]

what was the name of that stage again?

[weak gazelle]

i dont remember tbh

[magic mist]

Lord guard is very good in here

[merry narwhal]

7-9

[weak gazelle]

oh yeah that one
thanks for reminding

[merry narwhal]

the start of this map is much faster than I remembered

ig thorns really is the easiest carry if you don't have many e2s

[weak gazelle]

thorns carry are back in the old days
nowadays i think mountain easier

[uncut jasper]

Mountain is goated

[vernal lion]

that Reedic Liskarm combo is just so good

[vernal lion]

doesn't get +1 block

[tidal sedge]

It's an exception fsr

Not sure why but it is

[magic mist]

So other tactician also get this exception

?

[merry narwhal]

does mumu also not ignore some of the -1 block challenge modes?

[tidal sedge]

Other tactician summons in dormant state get +1 block. MuMu's don't.

[merry narwhal]

she seems like the exception

[magic mist]

Is it a bug when you add the +1 block buff?

[merry narwhal]

dunno, they just never fixed it

[tidal sedge]

Theoretically, but it's the rerun and they never fixed it so they can't or don't care

[magic mist]

Classic HG move

[merry narwhal]

they did fix the cc bug for the dodge boys though

cc now applies before damage

which makes them much easier

[tidal sedge]

For most ops at least

Mizuki and Ines don't fsr

[vernal lion]

Ines is after dealing dmg tho, so she has to deal dmg to bind them

[celest bluff]

I mean it should do that

[sly drift]

Degenbrecher S3 is auto recovery

[tidal sedge]

s2 is better imo

[sly drift]

What do

[tidal sedge]

it is offensive recovery, holds 2 charges, 12sp cost, also makes talent one 100% chance

the main thing is that she doesnt have as long as a downtime for her to get murdered like s3

and she does higher dph than s3

[spark sinew]

30 sp is now very long

[tidal sedge]

idk who the fuck said that

[eager gate]

ooh I member that map
It used to be either pretty fun to solve as a new player or you just plugged left with Mountain, put a sniper near him and focused on right side

[tidal sedge]

mustve been a ghost

[lucid owl]

Each hit charges one and not 2 yeah?

My pot 6 irene needs a module now...

[eager gate]

Does degen-breaker seem to be a direct Irene powercreep? Asking as I have no clue what she does

[sly drift]

Irene ignore def. Degen doesn't

[spark sinew]

probably was a ghost
we'll see how it will be eventually, but 30 seconds of downtime is pretty laughable, honestly

i don't see her being murdered in that timeframe being a major concern

🤔

[tidal sedge]

degen does ignore 25% of def of enemies that are disarmed, its worse than irene's overall

[eager gate]

why is that a concern
Swormasters aren't exactly a type you plop to lanehold

[spark sinew]

her damage is overall higher though

[sly drift]

What nuker have shorter cd than that lol.

[eager gate]

and 30sp is stupidly low for a true aoe nuke
IF she's a true aoe nuke

[spark sinew]

30sp auto is fucking ridiculous

[tidal sedge]

on the contrary I cant think of a reason outside of specific maps or bosses that you wouldnt have them also lanehold

[merry narwhal]

usually swordmasters are "oops all attack recovery"

you can cope chen module

but degen gets around that

by being able to charge her burst inbetween waves, it seems kinda g

[eager gate]

See the thing is that there was no need to get around what is proper balance

[sly drift]

Yea I can see she isn't going to replace irene for pure damage. Degen provides different utility tho.

Which I'm interested

[eager gate]

Swordmasters are balanced by the fact that they need to hit shit

[merry narwhal]

new cc type means all old bosses/elites will be easy for her

[sly drift]

They will make every new boss can't be disarmed

[eager gate]

Fucking Cutter would be a gameberaking unit if she could casually press s1 every 8sec
And her kit is the mildest among the class

[tidal sedge]

I like degen s2 because it is like bibeak/cutter

its actually really strong for holding a lane

[spark sinew]

saying irene isn't dead is a bit coping

[tidal sedge]

Irene is an underperformer by 6* standards isn't she. I'm not surprised they made Degen s3 auto recovery

[spark sinew]

how much defense do enemies need for irene to even match degen, again

that's with shittier recovery type

[sly drift]

Irene isn't dead at all

[eager gate]

Irene does what she's supposed to do really well
And she's mid at what she isn't supposed to do

[spark sinew]

i'm almost tempted to bookmark this and revisit in a week

[eager gate]

why

[tidal sedge]

I dont think degen s3 is bad or anything, the burst dmg more than makes up for the downtime, my issue is that I dont see myself placing her on the side somewhere to farm her s3.

but placing her to lanehold needs a medic. so i would rather just place a normal laneholder.

and back to square one

[eager gate]

I don't see a problem in Irene because I see her as a unit that charges through small waves then deletes bigger threat then repeats
The unit is clearly designed to do exactly that and not to be used like some thornsmountain type of shit

[lucid owl]

Degen s3 is auto recovery?

[tidal sedge]

Tbh doesn't Executor alter already do the offensive recovery based offense spiel very well already

tell that to pyrolysis

[lucid owl]

Irene needs auto recovery...why hg why

[eager gate]

No she doesn't

[tidal sedge]

I can see that also motivating the auto recovery choice.

[eager gate]

welp, I'm prematurely pissed off at Degenbrecher now
Hopefully the unit isn't as stupid as my current impression

[spark sinew]

and then they release unit who doesn't need to do that
because auto recovery

[lucid owl]

I mean
I hold back from using her skill for the right moment cause she probably will only charge her skill only once in a battle depending where she was placed

On the other hand i could just use degen where she auto charges and use her skill whenever i want

[eager gate]

That's my point: auto on swordmasters is stupid and unfair to other units: it's a brainded, blatant powercreep

it's a direct removal of a mechanic meant to keep them in check

[spark sinew]

so we agree here
i mean it doesn't change anything, degen is out

[tidal sedge]

HG likely designs ahead further than that for that point to be relevant in this case

[weak gazelle]

bet
if degen would perform better than previous swordmaster or flop instead?

[eager gate]

Hope she flops

[spark sinew]

btw irene needs 30 seconds to proc her s3

[eager gate]

at least then I won't have hatred in my heart

[spark sinew]

attacking continuously

so lol lmao, "Irene isn't dead at all "

[eager gate]

Is this counting the starter sp in?

I think she needs more

if from 0

[spark sinew]

from 0

[eager gate]

oh
Aspd talent

[spark sinew]

did i fuck up math?

oh i did

[eager gate]

I forgot it's there

[celest bluff]

Who here see jaye have e1 base skill and think it was good (without research) and then prompte him

[spark sinew]

yeah this should be without atkspd

[tidal sedge]

If Degen flops then the next 6* swordmaster will just be amped up further

[eager gate]

it will still be even if she doesn't flop

[tidal sedge]

True

[pliant furnace]

Its good if u own gnosis

[sly drift]

You must be either insane or only play mlynar to say irene shit tier

[eager gate]

They don't mean that she's shit

They mean that for optimal purposes Degenbrecher kills all possible Irene usage

[spark sinew]

you must be blind or biased if you argue that, when they release literally better unit

[sly drift]

Something like chen modded or stainless fixes her entirely

[spark sinew]

that's more flexible

[eager gate]

See that's exactly the problem here

[sly drift]

It doesn't mean it dead lmao

[spark sinew]

is there a reason to use irene over degen?

[eager gate]

Personal attachment

[spark sinew]

hence the conclusion

[sly drift]

Man. Do you ever use irene in the first place

[tidal sedge]

enemy is disarm immune but not levitate immune

[weak gazelle]

i bet she will outperform them
but how far she do that, im not optimistic
count in post mod btw

[eager gate]

lmfao

[tidal sedge]

high def should allow irene to do quite a bit more than degen actually. Although I dont think irene is very lively nowadays anyway either so

[spark sinew]

i'll be honest, degen's jp voice is miles above irene's as well

[tidal sedge]

High def?

[eager gate]

Bet they'll put bigger numbers despite auto sp

[spark sinew]

i was scared for a second when i heard degen's song

[sly drift]

Exactly. More def ignore. More damage to shielded shits

[eager gate]

I agree actaully. I can't in good faith stop thinking Irene isn't actually a tsundere in warming up phase

[tidal sedge]

400~ def isn't high these days

is that all it takes?

[weak gazelle]

and another new cc
we call it shudder or disarm?

[tidal sedge]

disarm

[eager gate]

a yet another way to bully grandpa Pat

[spark sinew]

shudder tremble or disarm

[tidal sedge]

Oh. You meant enemy def I think

yes lol

[spark sinew]

i wonder what will stick

[wicked viper]

if by per skill use basis, never because the moment they reach the expected defense, they already doing scratch dmg, which is ~5.6k defense

[tidal sedge]

I thought you meant Irene's

[eager gate]

Well 400def isn't high for enemies too these days
Trash often has this much

trash in ep8 had this much

[wicked viper]

irene hits for ~2.1k dmg x 12 + 2.5k initial hit for 27.7k
while degenbreacher hit for 3.2k x10 + 4.5k final hit for 37k
even if the enemies have disarm immunity (which only 3 bosses have it currently), degenbreacher still deals more

[eager gate]

it's that bad? Holy fuck

[spark sinew]

it was a rhetorical question but ty
i knew that degen did shitton more, was just lazy

[eager gate]

And they still felt the need to auto recovery

=)

[wicked viper]

if enemies have disarm immunity, degen only lose out 25% def ignore, her base dmg is still 3.2k per hit regardless

the only way to save irene is a really broken 2nd module tbh

[eager gate]

ye I'm mad at this unit fuck that

let her flop for the stupidest reason possible

[merry narwhal]

how are you even surprised, the game has been moving towards powercreep for over a year now

[tidal sedge]

I like swordmasters so I dont mind them adding a good one at the expense of irene although it is sad

[eager gate]

it's not always this blatant, and I am not surprised by it
Being unhappy about it doesn't necessaroly need me to be surprised

[wicked viper]

if irene attack constantly, she takes 27.2s to full charge s3
if chen attack constantly, she takes 21s to full charge
while degen takes 30s regardless of she can attack or not

[eager gate]

It's especially shitty because there could've been easy asf ways to not make it that blatant of a powercreep

But it's that blatant

[lucid owl]

And limit Irene's aspd talent to seaborne

[tidal sedge]

irene talent is pretty good actually

[eager gate]

Irene now needs a mod that pushes her def ignore to Rosa mod levels of bs

to stay a bit viable*

[merry narwhal]

she's a 6* so she's viable either way

[eager gate]

It's about viability in comparison
Like ofc I'll just keep using Irene because I actually liked the character in UT

[tidal sedge]

I could see her getting like 75% def ignore. They've definitely been making efforts to make 6* modules more appealing more often compared to when they first introduced

[merry narwhal]

i'm not sure if they even tried for Carnelian's second module

[eager gate]

Is it as bad as 1st?

[weak gazelle]

yeah wind chime s2 range are lord archetype range

[merry narwhal]

they gave her Mint's neg taunt, a bit of extra dmg and called it a day

[eager gate]

fuck you hg

[spark sinew]

join the club

[tidal sedge]

Not in all cases ye, but Mud and Penance got decent modules despite already being good

[merry narwhal]

modules are hit and miss

[eager gate]

Is it that fucking hard to make your guy play with the unit to make a good fucking module? Is it?

[wicked viper]

carnelian 2nd mod give some extra sp, but essentially it reduces cooldown from 45.5s to 42s, and like +20% dps

[merry narwhal]

it's a die toss

[eager gate]

2 mods, 2 mods and both are shit

[lucid owl]

Mot they trying to fix eben for 3 times now

[tidal sedge]

Hm. That's probably more accurate ye

[eager gate]

How do you fuck up that bad if not on purpose

Why is Lin mod actually good

[merry narwhal]

Lin still relies on enemies attacking her to be good

[weak gazelle]

i think HG learnt that overcharge idea is quite bad

[eager gate]

How do you look at 2 units of the same godsdamned class

[merry narwhal]

Carn is supposed to the dps-foucssed one

so they removed the bonus tank stats

and gave her more damage

[eager gate]

And not think for a moment that they might jsut need a somewhat similar themed modules to solve their problems

And that probably a weaker overall unit needs a better mod of 2

Why does Carne mod1 look like whoever wrote it never even read her kit

[weak gazelle]

even with +sp buff didnt fix or improve it

[wicked viper]

lin is being tanky with dmg, which has a use over the regular dps glass cannon

[eager gate]

for fucks sake this is so infuriating

[merry narwhal]

lin was really bad without mod3 too because of the bad uptime

now she has good uptime if you position her so she gets hit

Carn's uptime is still terrible

but she should be good in SSS

[wicked viper]

lin has the nice manual deactivation too, while carnelian has to deal with backload dmg

[weak gazelle]

yes the idea of carne kit is dps focused but in the defensive oriented archetype
result we all know already

[eager gate]

it's not even hard to help her be decent
The mod just needs to be made by someone who spent time playing with the unit and is decent at the game overall

[wicked viper]

at least weedy get a good module

[weak gazelle]

but reality say otherwise

[eager gate]

Really is that simple, it's not a math problem of a century

[wicked viper]

-10s cooldown on water cannon

[sly drift]

Lmfao. I never thought the gap would be that big despite Degen being auto recovery. It's obvious now they want Irene dead

[tidal sedge]

I don't think it's about how the archetype is oriented, it's about if numbers are enough or not. Reminder that the best aoe skills for a long time were on ops in single target dps classes

[wicked viper]

which allow ya to always sync up with s3, and actively make weedy s3 has 31s cooldown instead of 33s all the time

25s cooldown water cannon can be very useful for map wide push

[wicked viper]

funny thing is degen can hit air as well as immune to dmg and CC, which is chen + irene gimmick combined

[eager gate]

at least I'm happy for Weedy, she's a good girl and a pretty old unit
It's good that they made her better instead of releasing someone who just has 5push force on a 20sp cost skill for rofls

perks of unpopular archetype probably

[wicked viper]

lee 2nd module seem like experimental 2nd for swire alt ya

[tidal sedge]

A new shifter wouldn't sell well even if powercrept. Shifting is stall oriented which is unpopular unless it's unavoidable. Unless the shifter has competitive damage too

[wicked viper]

current swire alt mod isnt that good, but 2nd mod effect seem great on her

[merry narwhal]

the real problem with shifters is enemy design. Dangerous enemies are too heavy to get cheesed by shifters in almost all events. Lone Trail and Break the Ice were some of the few exceptions

and i'm not placing down a shifter as a lane holder when guards exist

[tidal sedge]

Oh wait they put it more succinctly here

[lucid owl]

Weedy can push anything but bosses iirc?

With s3 and turret

[weak gazelle]

numbers hmmm
you right, i keep forgetting to count in selling point char that can sell well

[merry narwhal]

yes, but is she soloing them?

[sly drift]

The last thing Irene get is her training talent

[tidal sedge]

They do seem to be trying to make them more useful ye, but they're unfortunately either prone to severe inferiority or just massively cheese stuff

[lucid owl]

The best

[vernal lion]

I can't believe I have guessed right about event mechanism

op actually gets perma frozen when there's no active heat system around,

and Harold boss just fucks off all the heat systems by disabling them regularly

[sly drift]

Oh hey. Lonetrail is now in intermezzi

[tidal sedge]

How do ops with status resistance fare

[merry narwhal]

it is? I didn't clear it fully because of work

[tidal sedge]

Yep

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2krATE2HUU&ab_channel=Mr.Gotcha

[eager gate]

phalanx are an unpopular archetype too
Pls hg I just want my sheepwoman to be decent, not even strong just decent

[vernal lion]

this boss is awesome lmao

good job for making a brutal boss as just a salesman

[eager gate]

if they ever go back to kazi themed events

[timid schooner]

lumen time

just watch kyo suffer the boss

[eager gate]

It has a ton of potential for bosses who are less statstick monsters and more like not even a proper unit at all

To signify that you're not fighting a person, you're fighting a whole ass regime that makes the person effectively invincible

like some sorta mouthpiece type bossfight

[vernal lion]

means, learn how to fight each boss properly

[tidal sedge]

Wait

Is there no elemental damage in this event?

[eager gate]

it's generally a more fun gamedesign too
HG seems to already be tired of statsticks and looking for solutions

[tidal sedge]

If not, then I'm honestly surprised Harold is a wandering medic

[vernal lion]

I would think they make Frostbite as Ice-themed elemental dmg

[tidal sedge]

Wacky

[vernal lion]

guess it's not

[tidal sedge]

Does his kit just not interact with event mechanics at all? I think that's a first for a welfare

Well, I guess he can still heal

[vernal lion]

btw that iceberg drop from the boss hits hard tho, don't know if in EX that one can oneshot your ranged op

[merry narwhal]

i don't think harryberry has the hps to be relevant without elem damage

[tidal sedge]

Yeah it'd be pretty copium

Usually I can spot favorable tiles for featured operators, but that's weirder to do with medics

[merry narwhal]

usually hg makes the ranged tiles awful to make a map difficult and call it a day

[tidal sedge]

lol

[merry narwhal]

lone trail was very cool in that regard

[tidal sedge]

It'd have to be pretty precise tiles as therapists have similar range to wanderings, and therapists actually can mitigate chill/freeze

[wicked viper]

harold is very bad design

[vernal lion]

harold op, not harold boss

[wicked viper]

since elemental dmg has 2 kinds
aoe/multitarget and slowly building up=> for honeyberry since shes multitarget and gradual regen
insta burst => for mulberry, since she reduce elemental dmg taken, so prevent burst
eyjaberry is stronger than both combined

meanwhile harold heal more elemental dmg if allies have 50% or less elemental bar, which accel if ya ops already eat a lot of elemental dmg, so doesnt prevent build up and single target exclusive, not ideal for most elemental dmg situation
at least he is welfare and better than chestnut if ya don't want to buy honeyberry and missed eyjaberry

ya harold boss

[vernal lion]

in game: op got frozen
irl method: wear more clothes, goddamn it

[tropic valve]

operators can't wear more clothes

[tidal sedge]

Harold s2 having a much better cycle than Mul s2 actually does have my interest.

[tropic valve]

it's illegal

[merry narwhal]

just deploy balze in 2023

innate resist

[tidal sedge]

Idk if I can say either is better with confidence until I use him though

[bold lance]

Is that your reasoning for Schwarz's outfit?

[wicked viper]

i guess he is cheap

so ya he is still better than chestnut

[eager gate]

do you guys think hg had some important members of gamedesign(units, levels) leave in 2023?

[merry narwhal]

it happens in all gacha games

[merry narwhal]

people get strong rosters and stop buying units

[wicked viper]

technically newbie can use him ya

since ya don't have to spend red cert for honey

[merry narwhal]

the game's difficulty is slowly catching up too with more stat-checky enemies

which sucks

[tidal sedge]

HG is making new games so I can see what you're getting at

[merry narwhal]

endfield wasn't supposed to be gacha like 6 months ago

i was coping so hard

[eager gate]

Oh, I missed it not being supposed to be gacha

I'd be more hyped for it

[merry narwhal]

back then it was a "full price adventure game"

[wicked viper]

the game has weapon gacha

surely fun

[eager gate]

Aren't you talking about ex astris

[merry narwhal]

factorio + mihoyo game

good design

[eager gate]

It's ex astris that's a fullprice adventure

Which is a reason I'm actually waiting for it

[merry narwhal]

first time I've heard about it

[eager gate]

it's a game that hg makes, which is supposed to be a 1time buy pc oriented rpg

[somber falcon]

Yea it's ex astris that was advertised as a full game

[tidal sedge]

The more fun conspiracy theories I've seen is that the amount of characters that got released from npc jail this year has some sort of meaning

[somber falcon]

They just dropped endfield pv and went back to working on it

[sly drift]

Do you think it will be good?

The problem with full game on mobile is people will speedrun it within a week and no one will talk about it afterwards.

[eager gate]

well, I don't really mean that to sounds all conspiracy-like
It did feel to me that it could be a potential explanation for recent spike in powercreep and boring level designs with statchecks and stalls

maybe I just stopped being blind to those idk

[somber falcon]

Was it mobile?
Iirc it was for pc

[sly drift]

Wait what? Astris is pc?

[tidal sedge]

I definitely think there's something of a slump in design

[eager gate]

ye I remember astris was advertised as more of a big platform experience

lemme pull up some stuff

[tidal sedge]

Pretty much what I expected

[tidal sedge]

His main selling point is his s2 having a much more rapid cycle than Mul s2, if that's relevant at all

[eager gate]

That's actually wrong. My bad.
It was in fact announced for mobile, but it is a 1time buy narrative rpg

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion pro

[somber falcon]

Okay they didn't explicitly mention pc and the playtest was mobile, mb

[vernal lion]

no, you pro

[somber falcon]

Leite pro

[eager gate]

I'm trying to understand why I had an impression that it's gonna be a big platform game

was it just that they called it a single time purchase game lmfao

am I so biased to mobile titles

[vernal lion]

leto s2 is weird lol

[somber falcon]

Ye, probably because of the "full rpg game"

[weak gazelle]

hmmmm
haroldnut kit look good
and cycle good for 5* power level
it just how impactful is 18% ele resistance?

[eager gate]

imagine forcing Gummy to s1 when everyone's full hp

[tidal sedge]

More favorable response than I expected

[scarlet ledge]

i like it lol

the drawback is not heavy

only two ops is affected

rosa and istina

but thats easy fix

unless u have skill timing issue

lol

[weak gazelle]

more likely i will just ignore it
cause its tied to ele bar treshold

[wicked viper]

if ya have 500 elemental hp, ya now have 609 elemental hp instead

[scarlet ledge]

plus doubt even casual player

raise leto

they only know one bear

its just rosa

[wicked viper]

i don't think it's as powerful as always keeping your units at 100% elemental health since ya know, ya have 1000 elemental hp instead

mulberry s2 is -35% elemental dmg

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion leto s2 number is actually nice

not bad

nothing amazing

good enough

[weak gazelle]

surprise wandering medic 5* not so different to each other in term of power wise

[south bone]

Hi schwer

[wicked viper]

so at full hp, ya can have 1.5k ehp instead

[south bone]

have u built leto

[scarlet ledge]

@south bone stfu

[wicked viper]

in order to survive edmg nuke ya

[scarlet ledge]

5 5★

[wicked viper]

[scarlet ledge]

no leto

[south bone]

wow

[scarlet ledge]

i got degen doe

wtf

i wantnleto

[eager gate]

I'd like it to be summer rn too

[vernal lion]

Degen seems like pretty much depended on skill
that 10% chance is nothing

[pearl breach]

Degen is just another DPS.
But leto is the true memers.

[tidal sedge]

I don't think it's that weird. I think Vendela is probably around Hibifier power, though I'd have to use her to be truly certain of that

[south bone]

wdym

[scarlet ledge]

degen destroy irene chen

[vernal lion]

tbh Degen is useless without skill tho

[scarlet ledge]

lmfao

[weak gazelle]

i will shoot you if dont have leto p6m6 within 3 days

[flint laurel]

skill as in player skill or her skill

[eager gate]

DAMN is it already time for Mizuki to be a shoperator

[scarlet ledge]

get me leto first stfu

[flint laurel]

also who tf is useful when their skill is off

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion https://youtu.be/GSdIRhPmXYw?si=QU2HgwDUaeoX2yLn

[vernal lion]

her skill, when she's off skill

[scarlet ledge]

dont send me to authorities

[flint laurel]

mate that apply to everyone

[vernal lion]

ugh, depended on talent?

[flint laurel]

maybe sail ely sa

but it's not big

either way

[eager gate]

Provence s1

[vernal lion]

do you want to use Shalem if he's bad?

[flint laurel]

thats passive skill mate, it's always on

[flint laurel]

he's already bad

[vernal lion]

skill is skill

[eager gate]

[scarlet ledge]

naga

[somber falcon]

Mlynar is useful even offskill

[scarlet ledge]

harold is so much annoying

especially p2

[flint laurel]

funnily enough shalem niche is good

[pliant furnace]

Tbh niche is generally good

[scarlet ledge]

did you see my video i ping to you

[vernal lion]

yea

[flint laurel]

wait the boss is harold?

[pliant furnace]

That guys playable right

[south bone]

Yes

[tidal sedge]

Yes

[pliant furnace]

Does the operator harold freeze?

[wicked viper]

playable boss x2 in this event

nah harold heals elemental dmg

[tidal sedge]

A wandering welfare in an event without elemental damage

[vernal lion]

@scarlet ledge can you take a screenshot of boss info?

[scarlet ledge]

oh wait

[pliant furnace]

Aww i thought hed be good for medicknighs

[weak gazelle]

tbh i expect him to be way weaker than this but alas he is better
as for vendela, yeah need to try her first to know because only hibifier as 5* standard and i dunno if she good or bad despite having her built ready

[tidal sedge]

Oh. You're mixed on Hibifier now. Interesting.

You used to dislike her

[south bone]

and Lumen being a therapist on elemental stage, at least he can heal the stun

[merry narwhal]

Vendela is a "thorns" type op and there are only few in the game

she should be global

[weak gazelle]

being honest
it just to satisfied my curiosity about incantation medic i build hibi

[tidal sedge]

I see. It's still an interesting shift nonetheless

[vernal lion]

weight 10

[merry narwhal]

the archetype is sweet

[scarlet ledge]

rosa

see

[wicked viper]

this event screams "follow mechanic or die"

[south bone]

mf so heavy

[wicked viper]

[merry narwhal]

hibis can duel the rocket launcher dudes from dorothy's event

even on cm

[scarlet ledge]

did you see how s2 rosa dealt? @vernal lion

[vernal lion]

I know, because I have her max too

mod3 is nut

[weak gazelle]

but thankfully it didnt helpful to me at all to understand
cause reedic as comparison are kinda stupid thing to do

[scarlet ledge]

using typhon there is nuh uh

defender came too

[vernal lion]

typhon is typically boss killer

but s3 is shit when there's a lot of mob

especially tough mob

[scarlet ledge]

enemy just steal the dps

[weak gazelle]

i see
so the arts fragility really useful?

[merry narwhal]

yes, but it's just basically "deal more damage and heal for more"

the team synergy part is w/e

vendela won't have it and she also has worse uptime

so she might struggle

but if she can kill NL archers I'm happy

[tidal sedge]

Curious how modules will affect them

[merry narwhal]

20% more healing compared to no mod

reedic obv doesn't need it

because her skills make anyone unable to die unless one-shot

[tidal sedge]

That much? More substantial than I expected

Oh wait. Duh.

[wicked viper]

hibi alt mod3 is quite nice ya

[merry narwhal]

incantation medics have pretty poor healing but insane burst on skills

[weak gazelle]

yeah the retaliate dmg & taunt is something i look from vendela
being able to work around aggro seem interesting

[merry narwhal]

Hibis is prolly better because of uptime alone

[crisp bolt]

wait the medic info is out?

[tidal sedge]

It'd be a bit more than that even, because their talents help out more too, besides the atk from module

Ye

[wicked viper]

reed alt getting bad module that upgrade bad talent is great

[crisp bolt]

any of the other module infos?

[wicked viper]

since it means her next module is much better

[merry narwhal]

thanks

[weak gazelle]

yeah i notice hibi cycle was awesome for 5*

[merry narwhal]

i had forgorren about Vendela's talent

so she has bonus healing as well, just a bit more conditional

[wicked viper]

suzu mod is free pot

very nice

[crisp bolt]

they really trying to make suzuran like gnosis

[wicked viper]

weedy mod is pretty nice too

[crisp bolt]

gnosis gets enfeeble module and now suzuran gets it in trait

[merry narwhal]

yeah, this does nothing

mod1 is enough for all of them

[crisp bolt]

weedy mody is busted

[wicked viper]

cuz it makes sure water cannon always sync up with weedy and now weedy can have 31s cooldown instead of 33s instead

[tidal sedge]

I've heard theories that Suzu might have been initially conceived of as a hexer, hmm.

[crisp bolt]

that's not the best part about it

[tidal sedge]

This does kinda fit what they said

[crisp bolt]

the best part is weedy getting the potential for 5 force

[merry narwhal]

having to block 2 sucks though

[wicked viper]

ya know

[crisp bolt]

true

[wicked viper]

it's not how it work

[merry narwhal]

usually you shift enemies because you can't tank them

[crisp bolt]

let me cope

[weak gazelle]

is a good news for any weedy main
they can waste mod block without worry

[wicked viper]

by default weedy s3 is 3 force
water cannon is 3 +1 force
modY only affect weedy, not cannon

lee 2nd module seem like experimental mod for swire alt tho

[tidal sedge]

Swire s3 gets about 200~ more dps from Y module iirc

[weak gazelle]

guess i will cope carne mod delta harder

[wicked viper]

it also buff the 2nd talent

hopefully it reduce the dp cost somehow

[tidal sedge]

Hm. That'd depend on how it's buffed though

[wicked viper]

ya it can increase the healing too

but the -dp gonna be huge

[tidal sedge]

X module trait saves you some DP already

[wicked viper]

carnelian 2nd mod change nothing

except for the fact that lin can get an even better module now

[vernal lion]

btw Degen s3 is also invincible effect like Chen s3 too

[wicked viper]

ya also hit air

chen + irene

lin 2nd module upgrading this talent sound really nice

if it increase barrier hp, it might be better than 1st mod as well too

[tidal sedge]

Possibly, ~~it could also just buff shield break damage and stun duration ~~

[crisp bolt]

nah it's going to increase stun duration and damage

damn someone thought the same exact thing

[wicked viper]

i think lee and carnelian 2nd mod are basically experimental mod for the other 6*

[weak gazelle]

idk, me expecting the cycle of barrier would be improved

[wicked viper]

current lin mod is far more defensive and relies being attacked to charge skill faster

if ya need neither then 2nd mod should give her a lot more dmg

[vernal lion]

she already hit to 3k atk tho

her talent is pretty much for defensive play

2nd mod would be about 1st talent ngl

[unkempt lintel]

but is carnelian 2nd mod justified enuf for her to be useful????

[vernal lion]

forgot to post this

vermeil is kinda good for opening stage ngl

[tropic valve]

vermeil pog

fast skill cycle

[pearl reef]

which of these can be considered good?

I used to play casually before

downloaded again just today

currently using this

[golden merlin]

E2 thorn
La pluma for another lanehold
blacknight

[peak cloak]

upgrade your mudrock , thorns first

[golden merlin]

Already beanstalk ok blacknight good but optional vg

[pearl reef]

[pearl reef]

what does E2 mean

[wicked viper]

elite 2

[vernal lion]

Elite 2, or upgrade to Elite 2

[wicked viper]

it means promote your units twice

[ocean herald]

bro sn-s-1-b is impossible wtf

[pearl reef]

ah ok

[ocean herald]

help pls

[weak gazelle]

hmm
this is useless, i tho it would be bigger pool

[vernal lion]

Hoshi s2

[glass monolith]

Want "this is useless"? Pick 4* voucher in green cert shot only to find out it is OG pool which never updated to all 4* added to pool

[pearl reef]

whom to replace then?

[weak gazelle]

buying 4* voucher is already sus🚬

[glass monolith]

In self defense i was looking for Ambriel pot

[weak gazelle]

recruitment issue
commit more recruit

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion oh ye carne second module is sheesh

[vernal lion]

true

[glass monolith]

Gravel stonks raising?

[peak cloak]

do u want to get advices?

[edgy ibex]

boss eats which relics again? whatever it wants? 2nd and 3rd? 1st and 2nd?

[near basalt]

Hey guys which op to select for kernal banner

[odd nymph]

Eyja and Saria

[near basalt]

And for 5star

[sullen rover]

youre not pulling kernel right?

[odd nymph]

Ptilopsis,warfarin and specter

[vernal lion]

closest to it

[wicked viper]

holy cow harold is kristen 2.0

dmg reduction for physical art true dmg

[vernal lion]

at least stallable without ball

[glass monolith]

Stallable by who bang bang bang all ded

[wicked viper]

funny 80 res on lv1

[wicked viper]

oh wait no

thats the wrong stat

[vernal lion]

seems like his melee attack is x2

[wicked viper]

82% dmg reduction

this event really force player to follow the mechanic now

[vernal lion]

100% of atk power, isn't that 2000 atk scale

oh wait

x2,5 physical atk for melee

[wicked viper]

at least the boss is slow

6s interval

this is bloodknight again

[vernal lion]

6s is regular, that's nothing special

[wicked viper]

oh lul

+50 aspd on phase 2

[vernal lion]

[Airfall Barrage] Whenever a certain percentage of HP is lost, deals damage to all our units on the field
Each unlit Emergency Brazier increases the number of strikes of this skill

[wicked viper]

is it physical dmg only

does that mean you can burst art and wont trigger the skill

[vernal lion]

boss doesn't have any special skill

so you can't nuke it like Steam Knight or Damazti

[deft badger]

looking good... 😄

[vernal lion]

When entering the Breakout Stance, immediately extinguishes Emergency Braziers in a large radius

btw you can reactivate the heat system by attacking it,
but it will keep dropping sp if the aspd is not enough

[wicked viper]

is it gravel shenanigan again

does the boss really have 100k hp and 80 res on EX

cuz that is just funny

[vernal lion]

doesn't matter much, melee attack is physical dmg

so stallable

[deft badger]

ok no kernel is a scam xD

i am not going to pull on that

[vernal lion]

btw if there's no extinguished heat system, I think boss won't unleash the iceberg drop

[wicked viper]

ya mean this

stack + 1

even if he has no stack, it should still drop 1

altho not threatening unless ya use e0 units

[vernal lion]

I can't understand this english man

admit that boss is very similar to Kristen

[deft badger]

which boss is that?

[deft badger]

the f- is that

[wicked viper]

funny perma freeze event with extremely tanky boss

[vernal lion]

Frostbite Cave of PvZ2

[wicked viper]

heater give freeze immunity

ya light up the heater by attacking it

or use the provided flintstone

[vernal lion]

ofc I said this a week ago

because I'm pretty sure it's heat system

[wicked viper]

the event scream "follow the mechanic"

else everything get perma freeze

[deft badger]

bruh

2nd time that i got a ofbanner on kernel

last time ifrit now hoshi

[celest bluff]

Do I gonna need therapist medic

RS

[celest bluff]

Well shit look like I gonna need it

[deft badger]

what does rs mean?

[wicked viper]

if ya follow the event mechanic

[celest bluff]

The coming event

[wicked viper]

ya won't need therapist

heater give freeze immunity

[deft badger]

isn't the coming pinch out?

[wicked viper]

therapist won't save perma freeze

[vernal lion]

ok so, it's 1 attack and +1 for each extinguished heat system

total is 5 attacks if there's no activated heat system

[deft badger]

i am confused, somehow my brain doesn't get what u are explaining...

is that the boss from exe-alter release event?

[vernal lion]

because it's how HG cooking

[vernal lion]

it's the boss from The Rides to Lake Silberneherze

code is RS

[deft badger]

that's the event CN has running right now?

[wicked viper]

holy cow speed demon

2 speed

[deft badger]

ok we are 6 months away from that point... xD
not going to kill my braincells over that right now

[vernal lion]

why you care for mspd lmao

[wicked viper]

because speedy enemies are funny ya

[vernal lion]

anyway, I need to find out the way to burst that boss like this

[wicked viper]

oh silenceable enemies in RS

lappland strikes again

[deft badger]

????

whats that 😄

[vernal lion]

[deft badger]

i really don't know hahaha

[celest bluff]

Wait a fucking minute

I have the line up to do that

[vernal lion]

alright, time to calculate Horn s2 dmg for Harold

[celest bluff]

Slap all debuff and buff

Me waiting for that guy with the Tachanka clear

[vernal lion]

this boss doesn't have any special attack/skill that will delay its invincible skill tho

[deft badger]

naga, can i remove a curse in IS when i upgrade the op?

saw it happen one time but then next time i did try the same thing it didn't go away

[vernal lion]

you mean the duplicate bug?

[deft badger]

haa?

bug

nah i mean if i e2 that op now is the curse going away?

[vernal lion]

never lol

[deft badger]

how the hell did i do it then...

[vernal lion]

you need a relic for that

[deft badger]

2-3 days highmore did have one i did e2 her it went away

[plucky flint]

Or find a dispatch node

[latent monolith]

Was it a dispatch

https://youtu.be/GNe4xoekXaA

This is the bug

[deft badger]

yes it was a dispatch

so if i dispatch the op then it does go away?

[latent monolith]

Dispatches clear curses yeah

Yeah that's one of their effects

[deft badger]

ahhh ok that explains then how it happened

[latent monolith]

Idk if it needed a skill tree upgrade or smth but that is intended behavior

[deft badger]

i wasn't sure how it happened but now i did remember it was a dispatch anyway ty

[crisp bolt]

I wouldn't go around using it normally since that's definitely a bug

[deft badger]

have been trying since 2 days to clear them with just upgrading lol

[latent monolith]

The relics are pretty rare anyways

It's not like you can rely on the bug

[crisp bolt]

yeah but a bug is a bug

technically shouldn't even be talked about here

[deft badger]

what's a bug?

[vernal lion]

dude really sends it from Victoria to Kjerag

the snowball of destruction

[glass monolith]

Someone in HG just adds reprints of F- bird of MH collab

[vernal lion]

Angry Birds

[sly drift]

Except new enemies design are so weird

[deft badger]

even with that dice i am rolling a 1 two times in a row lol

[celest bluff]

Wait...
Can rat tank that ?

[eager gate]

No, a rat doesn't have 2500 def

[glass monolith]

It does like 2700 damage, have fun

[eager gate]

There's a certain prairie dog that can take that and come back 15secodns later tho

Close enough to a rat

[ocean jolt]

You can throw the pink rat at a lot of things

Thats what I do when Im stuck

[glass monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829111228286763015/968816016203321364/bait.gif

[vernal lion]

kinda funny that they actually release an almost-Christmas-liked event for CN now

[deft badger]

why it fits the month its Dec

we are getting summer events in winter bro lol

and that winter event will be in summer for us

[sullen geyser]

any good way to deal with the chain casters from 10-8 onward?

[glass monolith]

[vernal lion]

drop executor on them and kill it

or just, Chalter

op these days are just broken

[serene umbra]

Man

SN-7 is so hard

But I finally found a solution

[deft badger]

hf at sn8

[celest bluff]

Is the bazooka guy here red variant?

[celest bluff]

Wait

There was chain caster in 10?

[polar crane]

there is

[glass monolith]

Both, red arrive on like 300+

And my stupid ass larned red has bigger range on that map

[celest bluff]

Well anyway

I use rat

Which worked

[sullen geyser]

they were introduced in 10-8 it seems

[celest bluff]

No need for defender

[celest bluff]

How tf I cleared to 12 without noticing

[plucky flint]

I also refuse to believe that there's a caster in chapter 10