strategy

[timid spade]

So that the def buff is positioned farther from the boss

[hybrid shadow]

It's done!

Low-end 2-10 clear

If I wanna go ultra low-end I could switch Scav back to Fang and swap out Franka and Rock for Matoi and Haze

Maybe even 12F over Lava and Noir Corne over Matterhorn

But I think that's a bit TOO low

[turbid badge]

silence s2 shelter advertisi by

[tidal sedge]

Sorry I didnt catch that

Over the sound of my eyjalter healing through the reaper flowers elem dmg

[turbid badge]

Global range healing sounds nice would of utilized silence soon but broke

[stark bobcat]

question: why is thorns considered goo

good

[latent anvil]

he was good because laneholding was useful and chill

[turbid badge]

soo good(

[latent anvil]

kills low def enemies and can hit big range

[turbid badge]

hits air , good range

[latent anvil]

i like qiubai more tho

qiubai actually does dmg

and skill so satisying

[turbid badge]

which one

[latent anvil]

3

[turbid badge]

oh

[latent anvil]

whichn one u use

[turbid badge]

im slowly becoming a s1 enjoyer

i use s2 when i use stainless

and theres a straight line

[latent anvil]

[tidal sedge]

[turbid badge]

whatt

[latent anvil]

time to m9 my quibua

[turbid badge]

i usually use indigo and qiubai together

wtf u poor

[latent anvil]

poor ya

irl

but at least dont need xp and lmd in game

for mastery

[tidal sedge]

How to unga bunga EX-5.

[turbid badge]

podenco fan

[latent anvil]

teta pro when do you even use squibai s1

[cyan gorge]

Unga bunga harder

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[turbid badge]

idk when im feeling wierd and dont wanna wait for s3 to charge so i lazy and eat the permabind

[tidal sedge]

Same idea different side of the map lol

[turbid badge]

wgz pro u build penuts bezt?

[latent anvil]

gyha

panuc nest

[turbid badge]

penance module looks pretty good

[latent anvil]

skin too

[ancient hearth]

Module makes her less reliant on getting fed early game and makes her more survivable when heli dropped, it’s pretty good. Not game changing but a good upgrade.

Makes her a lot less reliant on flagpipe too

[tidal sedge]

Mud mod is prob better tbh

Oh well there is no point to this comment

[turbid badge]

is it?

mud just looks liks a mod 1

anyways the barrier on top of that DR is just killer tbh

[ancient hearth]

Mud module is good but penance had a bigger hole in her kit that got filled, mainly the need to be deployed early and feed on trash mobs to build bulk.

[turbid badge]

yea

[ancient hearth]

Mud module was a good boost to a mostly complete unit. Penance mod was a needed boost to a good unit with a serious flaw.

[turbid badge]

yeah

the fact penut cant heal

and relies really heavily

on the barrier

[ancient hearth]

Penance wasn’t usable past the beginning of the map on a lot of the harder content because you would be forced to drop her with minimum bulk, and she’ll immediately die to something like 2 arts guards

[turbid badge]

s2 tonk

oh hows suzu module

she got another module right from the doll

time to whip out new module showcases

[latent anvil]

where to see new mods

[turbid badge]

https://b23.tv/sn8Tbrb

[tidal sedge]

It actually feels like the opposite to me

For penance, her shield gain and initial dont end up making her more applicable than she already is to very high degree. Its just + survivability. I notice basically no difference whether her mod is on or off 90% of the time.

Mud mod allows her, to 1, tank better, which she is actually used for to a higher degree than penance. And 2, her shields giving her sp, actually strengthen her ability to kill the elites that she used to have issues with, noticeably easier.

[turbid badge]

https://b23.tv/aGYmS1u, we need to wait a bit more for news on the upcoming ones

(im kinda hyped) hopefully drone casters r good

[turbid badge]

well both tank way better w justmod 1

[tidal sedge]

Well yes its the same thing tho. The difference is more impactful on pen, but its more applicable on mud

Well actually id say its about the same

[turbid badge]

https://b23.tv/lcZRZgQ, 1 min mudrock!!
and for penance you can just watch dragons video he explains it pretty throughly

atleast the module isnt trash thats all

[tidal sedge]

That vid has nothing to do with the main point I made

Mud vs elites on s2.

[turbid badge]

the first video i sent has her on elites at the start

with a hint of cannon

[tidal sedge]

more specifically.

Mud s2 original usage = mob lane + weaker elites

Mud w mod avaliable usage = same as original. + Quite a bit stronger vs singular stronger elites.

The vid shows pretty weak elites in I believe it is h7-1
Mud can kill thos without mobs even without mod.

But a stronger elite, the shields are much more important, and she also gains quite a bit less sp, which is her main weakness when she is on s2. Strong, singular elites in her lane.

Hence my original point of, I feel like mud has a hole in her kit being filled. Meanwhile penance, mod doesnt branch her out to such a degree, but simply strengthens her already strong survivability

[strong plover]

But how is Vulcan mod

[turbid badge]

oh unm

[tidal sedge]

Plz

[strong plover]

Did she not get one???

[turbid badge]

vulcan- kinda

[tidal sedge]

#help message

[strong plover]

Oh that’s actually a pretty good mod

Shame it does nothing for her awful SP costs

[turbid badge]

yea^

[strong plover]

Where’s her 2nd mod that brings Liskarm+Aak to every operation without using squad slots

And her outfit it’s been 4 years

[lapis hornet]

anyone has a link to module sheet?

[tidal sedge]

/module

[sullen blade]

𝗦𝗵𝗮𝘄

Operator Modules

Introduced during the Dossoles Holiday event, Modules are equippable items that grant extra stats, add additional trait or talent effects, and improve upon existing ones. All operators who are capable of reaching Elite 2 promotion will eventually receive at least one. To unlock a module, the operator must reach a certain promotion, level, and trust; additionally, the player must complete certain missions and pay a material cost.

Stage 1 is the basis of the module: it grants additional base stats and adds a new effect to the branch trait; these are broad and come in just a few types. They are often denoted with X, Y, etc.

Module Upgrades

Module Upgrades were introduced with the Lingering Echoes event, allowing players to raise modules up to Stage 3; these upgrades further increase the stat gains by a smaller amount and affect one of the operator's talents, adding new effects and/or upgrading existing ones, and only require additional materials.

Two new materials, Data Supplement Sticks (T4) and Data Supplement Instruments (T5), were also introduced and are necessary for Stage 2 and 3 upgrades. They are farmed in a new permanent Station Security Service game mode under the Annihilation / Weekly Mission tab. This game mode's cap resets biweekly (every 15 days).

For a list of available modules, their effects, upgrades, and costs please read the following sheet[1]. Potential upgrades are applied on top.

• Arknights Operator Modules Data Sheet - 1 (Created by Aethervoid#6272)
https://bit.ly/AKModules

[tidal sedge]

More text than I remember. The link at the bottom is what you want.

[turbid badge]

show bot

[gentle finch]

penance module dropped?

and mud

wow

[gray stone]

ya

[turbid badge]

wtf water back

finally

[gray stone]

their modules vri good

[gentle finch]

im not back

i still have exams

after tho 👍

[turbid badge]

water say that and than we have a new batch coming in a week

[gray stone]

my finals are next week

and I'm still here

[gentle finch]

good luck sir

[gentle finch]

who

[lapis hornet]

ty lurker

[gray stone]

Mech Accords

Weedy 2nd module

A lot more

but I forgor

[tidal sedge]

Mech accords and incantation medics

[gentle finch]

a

goldenglow

[tidal sedge]

Lee, Weedy, Carn, and Suzu 2nd mod I think

[gentle finch]

what was her talents again

[turbid badge]

our light

[gentle finch]

res shred and

well res ignore

[gray stone]

crit

[turbid badge]

explosion chance

[tidal sedge]

Res ignore and drone explosions

[gentle finch]

ohh

[gray stone]

Either upgrades will be really good

[gentle finch]

I hope it's a mod.for that

but either way

yeah

she's gonna have two mods

they can't fumble good talents like that

[gray stone]

If they don't suddenly decide to add text instead of buffing numbers

[turbid badge]

im hyped for lee and carnelian

[gentle finch]

JAJA

[turbid badge]

they should interesting 🧐

[gentle finch]

yeah they gotta

not disappoint nami

[gray stone]

istg

GG module will be

[turbid badge]

lol

[gray stone]

trait change: ramp up time decrease

Talent change will be +15% ATK to the crit scaling

at lv3 ofc

[tidal sedge]

Idk, even 6*s who didn't really need them got decent to good mods lately.

Reed mod trait change= +115% healing effectiveness to ground units.
Talent upgrade = Also heal self by 60%

💀

I think they realized making decent mods for good ops is a good thing to extend investment and keep folks hooked in

[turbid badge]

doesnt she already heal herself as a talent

oh wait

💀

[gentle finch]

did you guys use goldenglow much during mumu ecent

event

[turbid badge]

uea

Yea

[tidal sedge]

I did.

[turbid badge]

she targets the balls

[gentle finch]

interesting

I never really used her

[tidal sedge]

Multi-hit arts was also good for arcshields and traffic towers

[gray stone]

GG talent upgrade be like
"Goldenglow and her Drones' attacks ignore 15 RES"
to
"Goldenglow and her Drones' attacks ignore 15 RES. And she recovers an additional +0.15 SP/s"
At lv3

[gentle finch]

I kinda brute forced

[tidal sedge]

Hopefully GG mod will finally prove to the doubters that the pink dog is more goated than the goat

[gray stone]

I mean

[gentle finch]

more goated than the goat

[gray stone]

Do people still use goat everywhere?

[gentle finch]

least contradictory statement

[gentle finch]

I used her for S-2 I think

[gray stone]

Eyja was in the closet for like 6 months before CW

[gentle finch]

but barely use her in general

[gray stone]

I don't even care about her in general yeah

[gentle finch]

wait I used her in EX-5 too

but that's it

and that's for this event

[gray stone]

I suddenly care about her in Lone Trail
But I have a maxed borrow

[turbid badge]

yeah

[gentle finch]

outside of lone trail, literally this

unironically use someone like qiubai more

[turbid badge]

im a goat player

s3 good in c sm

[gentle finch]

I originally pulled qiubai for waifu

but she is actually serving

[gray stone]

die then

[turbid badge]

binds too cracked

[gentle finch]

just play with both

goat and gato

[gray stone]

My arts DPS are

GG

Sexas

and maybe Yato

Reed who?

[tidal sedge]

No Dorothy s3 smh

[gray stone]

The bulk of her DPS is in the auto attacks

[turbid badge]

best arts dps is obviously carnelian s3

[tidal sedge]

I should've used Dorothy more in CW come to think of it

[turbid badge]

i bring kal everywhere so, res where

[gray stone]

Switch

Wait, today's daily force you take support risks?

da fug?

[turbid badge]

flame skin got yetv

[gray stone]

THERE IS A FORCE 50 POINTS TAG -100% DP

[tidal sedge]

Charger meta

Your flags wont pay for double their dp cost by the end of stage

[gray stone]

yeah

last stand ish stage

[crisp bolt]

Grani's time to shine

[gray stone]

Challenge tags

[crisp bolt]

CC really making me wish I had pipebag

[tidal sedge]

Here is my ss from b4

[gray stone]

This is so funny

[ocean jolt]

I have Silence, Lumen, and Warf in terms of healers I do not have built

Would Warf be the best option?

[gray stone]

Double SP cost tag?

[tidal sedge]

If you already have medics you use. Then prob warf.

If you need a good medic just in general, use lumen

[ocean jolt]

I currently only use Ptilo and NG

I figured I should build different healer archetypes

[gray stone]

hmm

I think I can just use Penance to solo this one

[tidal sedge]

Lmao

These modifiers are hilarious

[tidal sedge]

Realistically you wont get much use out of building more medics very much unless you want afk heal.

If you plan to pull on eyjalter banner I wouldnt bother building any unless you have a target you want to buff with warf

[gray stone]

It's specifically Vanguards btw

[turbid badge]

lol 250

[ocean jolt]

Ight ty

[tidal sedge]

Interesting. So basically use the 250 DP wisely.

[gray stone]

You can Penance + fodders 200

so

[tidal sedge]

That's actually really neat in like a conceptual way

[gray stone]

like the 1 deploy map

[tidal sedge]

I actually think I'll look forward to this CC

[gray stone]

Perma map is ass

but daily is really fun

[tidal sedge]

The 2nd daily was 1v1s only.
The 3rd was 1p relay.
Now 4 is whatever this is

[gray stone]

Last Stand in PvZ

Should have banned Vanguards completely tbh

[tidal sedge]

Oh. It's inspired by an existing mode in another TD

[gray stone]

This is just Penance doing 100% of the DPS featuring fodders

dailies are really easy and there are only 4 of them

[tidal sedge]

I see

[shut siren]

any tips for sn-10?

im struggling a bit

it feels like i need a lot ranged units

or just good placements 😭

[cyan gorge]

Spawnkill boss with roomba

[shut siren]

i just use roomba? nothing else?

or do i helidrop someone on him

oh wait

[cyan gorge]

the roomabs they give you delete the first 3 phases on their own

[shut siren]

oh really?

that would help a lot thank you 🙏

[cyan gorge]

set to bounce module and drop on the spot where it spawns

[shut siren]

ahhh okay

thank you

[tropic valve]

A Roomba is All You Need

[celest bluff]

So this is what coming up next?

Ma fucking pulls

[sour python]

How do I roomba the boss

[cyan gorge]

on which stage

[sour python]

Sn10

[timid spade]

Set the roomba module to the one that will bounce off walls, wait for the boss to idle in the deployable tile in the beginning, and launch the roomba facing left or right

[quaint aspen]

Use roomba.

[timid schooner]

heh

phew s-5 dont have cm

[cyan gorge]

S-5 easier than EX8

[timid schooner]

ye

imagine s-5 has cm what condition it will have

[cyan gorge]

Tile bans probably

[eager gate]

Support ban

[cyan gorge]

Ok yeah that's worse

[timid schooner]

ok what abt triple cost

[cyan gorge]

triple cost is still abusable

Gnosis, Skalter, Podenco still cheap

[jovial nest]

wow i did not know that it can ricochet with 1 tile

i thought it needed some momentum

[vernal lion]

it's been 1 year lol

[plucky flint]

Imagine

[gray stone]

Sounds like a good time

GG abuse

[turbid badge]

Sooo lyn

[vernal lion]

I found it's funny when you feed the boss 10 summons tho

[sly drift]

This is still much better than that Diablo DOS final stage

[supple ice]

Why is Lappland good in this event?

[vernal lion]

because silence can disable their abilities, such as dodge, leaving a nethersea brand, or others...

not only lappland, you can use any op that has silence ability

[sick patio]

I can clear EX stages with no issue but not SN-10

that boss is just savage

Tried with borrowed surtr and still can’t pass it

[cyan gorge]

Bounce roomba kills 3 boss phases on it's own

[sullen granite]

Welp

What ops should I focus on raising in preparation for pinch out

[gray stone]

Stall

Hoshi Shining Ceobe

[crystal cargo]

time to borrow hoshi and get shining mod ig

[sullen granite]

I have one of those people

[gray stone]

Honestly you only need Hoshi and Shining

or Hoshi and any really good AFK healer

[crystal cargo]

why is hoshi good for PO anyways

[gray stone]

Saria S1 won't work btw

[gray stone]

You remember those cannon bots from CW-S-4?

[crystal cargo]

no

i didnt get to cw s 4

[gray stone]

well go watch a video or something

[sullen granite]

Guess I'm raising my Hoshi

[gray stone]

but those cannons have a morbillion HP and DEF

[cyan gorge]

Is it possible to get all rewards without resorting to Hoshi stall?

[gray stone]

Yes

Wait for tags

[limpid siren]

op strat

[strange fable]

pretty sure there are day 1 600 points variants that dont stall too

[crystal cargo]

what do the cannons have to do with hoshi in PO

[gray stone]

Well, they blast heavy arts damage to 4 targets if they aren't blocked

[spark sinew]

arts?

[gray stone]

and they also have too much HP to kill before they reach the box

[spark sinew]

is this one of the tags

[crystal cargo]

so they are in PO too?

[gray stone]

wait they deal physical?

yeah I'm dumb

[gray stone]

Anyway, it's mostly because they have a gazillion HP and DEF to clear on day 1

so it devolves into stall

[crystal cargo]

what else do i need besides hoshi and shining

[gray stone]

while Ceobe blast it

[crystal cargo]

can i borrow ops in PO

because i dont have hoshi

[gray stone]

Honestly, for you just wait for better tags

[cyan gorge]

What if i have neither Hoshi, Shining, or Ceobe

[crystal cargo]

[gray stone]

You aren't required to do max first day

[gray stone]

Wait for tags

[crystal cargo]

is it possible to borrow though

[gray stone]

Yes

[crystal cargo]

ok

[turbid badge]

mlynar

or wait

lololo

itll still take a year

[cyan gorge]

I already don't want to bother

[gray stone]

PO is easy or so I heard

[tidal sedge]

Huh. It's gonna overlap with SN rerun a bit. Didn't expect that.

[cyan gorge]

If it takes more than 3 minutes per stage, it's too long

[limpid siren]

just wait until there are enough tags for the stage to not be awful

[foggy grove]

just don't do max 1st day

[fast basin]

We have info for poo?

[gray stone]

yeah that

wait for tags

[foggy grove]

like what salmon keep repeating

[gray stone]

Like I told you 3 times in this chat

[foggy grove]

[fast basin]

Where poo info 💢

[limpid siren]

🚽

[fast basin]

Oh its there

Thanks igneus

[limpid siren]

kermit will tell u if you dm him

[fast basin]

I still like my ass intact, thank you very much

[limpid siren]

roomba bonuses are always active right?

might play around with kjerag freeze combos

[fast basin]

[limpid siren]

wait i have to take pramanix to mod3

[turbid badge]

haha

fun module

[sullen granite]

Wait, it's still possible without those 3 people?

I do have a Mlynar

[vernal lion]

there are also many different missions

for rewards

[gray stone]

I honestly like the new CC if they decide to tone down the bullshit happening in the main map

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgNLENBwaiY&ab_channel=DangoMango

[gray stone]

oh the shop is

super underwhelming

[vernal lion]

and then they make reworked CC11

[gray stone]

Yeah this was also in Pyrolysis

I think my Virtuosa S1 did poggers here

[vernal lion]

3 heralds, 2 guerrilla, 3 brave croc

[sullen granite]

Pinch Out is going to kick my ass

[turbid badge]

damn your a gamer alright

[gray stone]

based

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5B97myt86Q&ab_channel=Rikki

[sullen granite]

Oh, is my roster that bad?

[sullen granite]

Thank

[jovial nest]

just not a SUPER one!

[mortal forge]

is SN roomba damage dodgeable?

[jovial nest]

they can't because it stuns them

[sullen granite]

Is my roster that bad?

[gray stone]

You got E2
You got this

[foggy grove]

on original run it can be dodged

they patched it now

[jovial nest]

heh

thank god i only do rhoombas to clean up spills

unless it's about that mission that requires 10 stun procs from it

[turbid badge]

any jacky raisers? is she any fun

[vernal lion]

no

[turbid badge]

[vernal lion]

RNG gaming is shit

[turbid badge]

ah

anyone here raised beehinter

whats her interval

in s2 m3?

[jovial nest]

i don't think anyone other than the hardcore simps even use any Brawler outside of Mountain and sometimes CY

[turbid badge]

dagda

ok fine

hardcore simping

[long epoch]

Beehunter is good with a massive buff team built around her.

[spark sinew]

i used dagda and indra on trials of the navigator, does this count

[vernal lion]

brawler only gaming

[spark sinew]

know a guy who raised indra if you want

[turbid badge]

indras s2 is pretty fun

[vernal lion]

I think Indra is good for E2

[turbid badge]

-ground exu-

[spark sinew]

indra got that y0 kit

[turbid badge]

50sp?

[vernal lion]

I still need 1 more pot to max out my Indra

dp pot is kinda nice

[spark sinew]

big sp(honestly not that bad sp but still), arts damage for some reason

some weird giga specific talent

[vernal lion]

but s2 is good enough

[turbid badge]

funny dodge always fun

[vernal lion]

I mean you can use her like an elite-killer

[spark sinew]

better sp than Qiubai, fourth year op
absolutely broken

[vernal lion]

for 5 star comparison

not like we mistake between 5 and 6 star op

[turbid badge]

(its still so long)

[vernal lion]

Wind Chimes is actually fun tho

that skill is just fucking good with Warf

[spark sinew]

i see e1 conviction i approve

[turbid badge]

yes base

was thinking of e2 cuz cheap

but got distracted

by a bunch of other guards

[vernal lion]

I hate the fact that s2 is coin flip, man

[turbid badge]

yea

[vernal lion]

failed me 3 times through

[spark sinew]

should get the mod on noir tho

[turbid badge]

its good

free shelter

[spark sinew]

he's a bit sad even with it, but without it...

[turbid badge]

i havent really utilized him to the fullest so havent really gotten his mod

(basically means i barley use him mostly)

and no mod blocks ^

[spark sinew]

do enmity only or maleknights

[vernal lion]

and then there's drone

and 3 block dude

and global snipers

[spark sinew]

enmity only includes penance and mud

[vernal lion]

and fireball dude

[spark sinew]

fireball dude is fine as well

[vernal lion]

and freeze caster

[spark sinew]

only thing they really don't like is drones

[turbid badge]

wait what are we talking about

[vernal lion]

and sheep with DR

[spark sinew]

i even have no idea wtf freeze caster is

[turbid badge]

oh

[spark sinew]

and why would enmity struggle

[vernal lion]

there's already 2 casters with that tho

oh yea, exploded spider HAHAHAHAHA

[spark sinew]

i can remember at least one, yeah
but why would enmity struggle with it

[vernal lion]

enmity clear when

[spark sinew]

what stage is this again

[turbid badge]

is that a Bic stage

[spark sinew]

also picking the always "chilled" stage is a big reach from "freeze casters"

[turbid badge]

btc

Bti

[spark sinew]

but i'll entertain it

it's gnosis' event yeah

[vernal lion]

Break the Ice smh

[turbid badge]

snowstorm

[vernal lion]

clear when lmao

am I a joke to you

[spark sinew]

those are different, no

snowstorm applies a stack of chill, sure

but those tiles basically apply chill always

and i can only see those tiles on the entire stage

[turbid badge]

ohhh

they apply how often

[spark sinew]

tiles?

[turbid badge]

yea

[spark sinew]

basically anything you put on them is perma chilled

very fun

[turbid badge]

ah

even if status resistance??

[spark sinew]

at this point i don't remember for sure

[turbid badge]

same

[jovial nest]

ffs Yoshit is aligning the Ed4 IS3 update with POO on Dec 5...

so much for me waiting for it in the next reset

[plucky flint]

Is3 won't go anywhere tho

[jovial nest]

it should be updated on time

aka 1st of every month

they already pulled this bad stunt by aligning IS3's launch with Il Siracusano

now they wanna align its last update with POO

[plucky flint]

Still my point

Just don't play is3 for now, rewards won't go anywhere

[jovial nest]

What i meant is..they delayed what was supposed to be played this reset

[strange fable]

its not is3s last update actually

there should be 1 more monthly squad in January

[jovial nest]

that barely matters anyway. although the free T2 chips are massively welcome i guess

[sullen granite]

Wait what? Why shouldn't I play IS3?

[glass monolith]

He means it is permament so no rush.
AND I DONT PLAY IT BECAUSE I AM SO DONE WITH THAT CRAP

Level 90/140 and doing monthly squad 2-3 days before month reset

[plucky flint]

I just rushed lv110 for the juicy 12 mod blocks

[foggy grove]

i forgor when the last time i do monthly squad

[south bone]

damn i haven't even beat ending 2 and 3

[jovial nest]

I love it because I'm into roguelites

and even then ISs are baby's first roguelite due to operators raised being a huge carry

and the RNG that needs to win or pathing is not as radical as other roguelites

anyways

Dec 5 is also POO

ready those permits for Friston pots

[turbid badge]

i havent beaten both end 3

and end 4 for is2

[turbid badge]

m2

[jovial nest]

wat?

[tropic valve]

yeah roguelikes are pog

[foggy grove]

he is saying me too

[tropic valve]

you can I believe in you

[jovial nest]

sh

[turbid badge]

jusan old

Its okay

[jovial nest]

the shorcut doesn't work well

cause m2 can mean mastery 2

[foggy grove]

i kinda dislike how long each run takes
so i always forgor to do it

[turbid badge]

yeah they are pretty hefty

taking 30 mins usualy for me

[jovial nest]

don't forget

[turbid badge]

MoM expansion next?

[jovial nest]

the best roguelites can be stopped at anytime

for IS

it's when there's no battles

even for a roguelite fan

i don't finish runs in one go

btw

[turbid badge]

i need more ops for IS tbh

[jovial nest]

what tags will be most helpful in potting Friston?

[turbid badge]

idk how ppl run in spamming the same

[jovial nest]

thats the beauty of it

[south bone]

broo i've only beaten ending 1 for both IS lololol

[jovial nest]

you can just do IS when you feel like finally you have a sizeable amt of ops raised

and make it very unorthodox in drafting

[turbid badge]

yatta i e2! -> oh sht this op wants masteries

[jovial nest]

cause I did IS1

with so few ops to work with
imagine Supp vouchers being only Orchid and temps and Spec vouchers being only an E1 Gravel and temps.
Medic vouchers were purely healers back then too so you didn't have the potential mitigation of bad RNG by recruiting Kal or Reedter

i didn't even have a full team of E2s back then

it was not as fun as i wanted

now it is

especially when there's so many solid ops now in most classes

[spark sinew]

is4 looks a bit better than is3 in that regard
is3 arts are kinda dead in the water (ig with expansion you can cope for relics at least)

[jovial nest]

dude

ummmm

IS4 still has diff15

and yes

[spark sinew]

although it's got their own share of problems

[jovial nest]

it still shits a lot of RES

the pro is

[spark sinew]

is4 doesn't buff res

it gives DR

no?

[jovial nest]

there's no awful nerve corrosion

that immediately procs after 1 hit

either way

IS4 has easier drafting

less rigid and less demanding than IS3's

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/815139955659112468/Screenshot_2021-02-27-16-29-05.png

imagine

[spark sinew]

in a way

[jovial nest]

these are your only ops

in IS1

[spark sinew]

how did you were more prepared to is1 than i was

[jovial nest]

yeah it's not fun

[spark sinew]

despite playing for far less

so many maxed 3*

[jovial nest]

Prime -> mat packs

remember those?

the level centered ones?

[spark sinew]

yes

[jovial nest]

yeah those were nice care packages

[spark sinew]

i mean i also refreshed mats 10/day

[jovial nest]

also i was pretty controlling with how i use resources

[spark sinew]

back when this was the limit

[jovial nest]

unlike most players back then

i didn't raise like a bajillion E1s

[turbid badge]

me

[spark sinew]

idr what i did back then

[jovial nest]

a common problem of players back then was

they raise so many E1s

[spark sinew]

although i probably rushed SA

[jovial nest]

and they have 0 E2s

[spark sinew]

and then borrowed ifrit for anni

simpler days

[jovial nest]

thats because this was pre-Surtr banner

so i had still not pulled for ops outside Newbie banner

in other words, i didn't even have a Cuora, Myrtle, May or Gitano to raise

so i had to rely on a LOT of 3*

that Beagle was my main tank

but i guess that was CC2

in IS1 i finally had a Cuora

but i barely used her

[spark sinew]

ugh, surtr banner

[jovial nest]

the only time she got some massive use is CC3 Sentinel stalling

[spark sinew]

so did you start after WWE

[jovial nest]

i started when ch7 event release was ending

[turbid badge]

oh

[jovial nest]

cause i remember W's banner for a while

[livid delta]

Wtf wrestling channel

[jovial nest]

it's WWF btw

[livid delta]

The purestream collab?

[spark sinew]

Weedy W Flysium?

[jovial nest]

pure collab

Damn

it's been a while since I saw Myrrh's mug shot

she was my very first core medic

alongside Ptilo

[turbid badge]

jusan did u buy purestream package

0.99!!

usd

[jovial nest]

yes

its too good cause she's amazing in base

[vernal lion]

[spark sinew]

especially since she was a big buff to weedy

[eager gate]

Hool s3 doesn't even spam tornadoes all the time, only when there's something in range

It honestly should spam tornadoes all the time

they travel slow af, if she only launches it when there's enemy it may literally move out of range by the time the thing reaches

[turbid badge]

uhh

ez fix just use stainless

[turbid badge]

her interval is decreased yea so

increased*

[eager gate]

or like make em do full damage at any distance

Oh and make masteries for s3 not shit

they're worse than Ceobe s2's

geez did they even playtest this character

[cosmic thicket]

they probably did, made her too strong as a cc op, and as a result absolutely destroyed her

[eager gate]

My SN9 trust auto worked right until I gathered base trust

[sly drift]

I think they know exactly what they make

Like... they purposely made her not really good

Below average

[eager gate]

Why though

They had good history of making great 2nd 6* on limited banners

[limpid siren]

probably not on purpose, i think it's more likely that they just overvalue Weightless

[eager gate]

Why stop

[cosmic thicket]

nah as someone who's actually done balancing before for other games the situation i described is not uncommon

[limpid siren]

yea

it's impossible to know without seeing the process, but Halley is right

[cosmic thicket]

hool is also shockingly close to being broken simply because her s3 is the longest duration skill that consistently applies levitate

[turbid badge]

yeah

[eager gate]

Don't think so. Levitate isn't exactly a superb type of control

[sly drift]

Not until some dude have stun and slow immunity

[long epoch]

Less superb crowd control. Less chance to be cucked by immunity.

[eager gate]

bind is in the game and is much stronger for that

[turbid badge]

cant use my eubectus s2 cri

[cosmic thicket]

for the purposes of applying crowd control, as long as you can attack cancel you're golden
and most of the time

[limpid siren]

Isn’t levitate immunity tied to stun immunity

[cosmic thicket]

oh is it

[limpid siren]

Or was that freeze

Idr

[turbid badge]

freeze no?

[limpid siren]

Probably freeze

[sly drift]

They are completely separated immunity. Risks have to describe it separately too

[limpid siren]

Not really what i meant

But you are right

[turbid badge]

frozen ops still block enemies right

[limpid siren]

Yes

[turbid badge]

wait im dumb

[limpid siren]

Same dw

[turbid badge]

phew

santalla has -8 dp mod

[sly drift]

But still. One target per tornado is too sadge

[turbid badge]

imagine range increase module

[tidal sedge]

Wouldn't change much

[sly drift]

S3 hool issue is it will be irrelevant as long as enemies are not alone. Random dog rushing in and it ruin the whole S3 duration

[tidal sedge]

Santalla S2 would still work the same

[turbid badge]

yeah im just saying its kinda bad

[tidal sedge]

I think it's weird folks want Ho'ol s3 to be aoe instead of something like better damage

[turbid badge]

could be used in some scenarios but woukd rather have cheaper

[eager gate]

Eh damage isn't the most important part of a clearly cc centric skill

[tidal sedge]

I guess I can get that logic kinda

[turbid badge]

i need her to apply weightless

too much damage and the boss just plops

[limpid siren]

When is santalla again

[tidal sedge]

Typhon banner

[limpid siren]

Neat

[sly drift]

What santalla doing. Elemental damage?

[tidal sedge]

Chill/freeze

[sly drift]

Not really paid attention to *5

[limpid siren]

Ele dmg is valarqvin with is4

[turbid badge]

i want her

[tidal sedge]

5* rng Gnosis s3 if you want a bastardized explanation

[glass monolith]

It has only 25% rng on each attack because in which row she attacks in fixed and rotates

[tidal sedge]

The aoe looks pretty generous tbh

[sly drift]

We are very close to is4 right? January for is4 and Ejya berry on anniv. Some event probably got shuffled again

[tidal sedge]

The aoe should hit adjacent tiles at the least

[spark sinew]

they can def delay is4

[turbid badge]

you can decrease her rng by having her s3 extra range cut by map edges

[spark sinew]

wouldn't get your hopes up

[tidal sedge]

So the ideal tiles would be the center of Santalla's range

[limpid siren]

Santalla splash looks quite generous yea

[glass monolith]

IS4 on global or Destiny collab on CN. Make your bets what is first

[sly drift]

IS4 isn't like "Event" tho. They can put it whenever they want and no one will bother

[tidal sedge]

Santalla dps is actually very high for a 5star iirc

Provided the enemy is in center tile i mean

[spark sinew]

for 5 star aoe caster or for 5*

[turbid badge]

yea

[tidal sedge]

For 5star

[turbid badge]

santallas edge

[tidal sedge]

Although I am not very well informed about her actual dmg mechanic other than you want the enemy to be in centee tile and that her theoretical dps is high enough to be of note

[turbid badge]

on s2 her attack interval is 0.5 secs

[glass monolith]

Now you have my interest

[limpid siren]

Are you sure this is accurate

[turbid badge]

yah

[tidal sedge]

As for the map edge bs I have also heared about that when she came out

[turbid badge]

you can try it out

[glass monolith]

Try it in NL and it fall out of bounds because stupid light mechanic extends map

[tidal sedge]

PRTS mentions that s2 won't put icicles past map walls if that's what you're wondering Igneus

Its supposed to eliminate rng ye

[limpid siren]

No i thought it was her splash radius

🥴

[turbid badge]

[tidal sedge]

Nah it's just saying the sweet spot.

[turbid badge]

sweetspot yea

[glass monolith]

Dude coped Fia too much

[tidal sedge]

It'd be nice if we got a precise infographic on the splash overlap like that one Fia s2 infographic

[spark sinew]

probably played with jieyun too much and had flashbacks

[turbid badge]

[tidal sedge]

So if you cut off her range, than every single atk will hit the center tile

[turbid badge]

yup

[tidal sedge]

So she is doing a little over 2k dps to center without pots. Also freezes them

15sec duration
40sp cost

She's kind of like a heavyshooter in how she like the 2 tiles in front of her, funny.

[lethal dragon]

I remember santalla attacking outside of map in her s2

Dumb operator

[tidal sedge]

She only hits one tile out, so the aoe still hits

Would be pretty funny if they just fell off tho

[turbid badge]

lol

the cutting range make me see jieyun another way now

[deft badger]

are there ops which even use salt?

didn't even farm it thats what did stack up since it came out

[eager gate]

Her mod should make weightless conditionless or map-wide

would be so so awesome

SO AWESOME

[fast basin]

Angelina is already dead, don't kill her even more

[eager gate]

I'll just use both

[spark sinew]

why

they specifically made -weight not stackable

[weak gazelle]

harold have reduce ele dmg taken with 50% treshold
hmm
im not sure if this good or nah

[tidal sedge]

I'm not optimistic

[weak gazelle]

yeah same

[limpid siren]

i think he can contend with honeyberry if the numbers are right

[tidal sedge]

He at least has a much better talent than than the berries. So 5star wise

[spark sinew]

if they keep printing shit that oneshots your elemental bar...

[tidal sedge]

Theres numbers I can see that working, but HG isn't so generous with 5* talent numbers most times

[spark sinew]

i mean look at eyja s2, this is the numbers that they're planning to hit

[weak gazelle]

no the thing is your ops rarely reach below half ele bar

[limpid siren]

[weak gazelle]

its either one shot your ele bar (H12-3) or stuck with above half ele bar

[tidal sedge]

In the latter case I don't think that's so bad since he'll likely undo such light elemental damage

[weak gazelle]

i dont see where our ops will constantly under 50% bar

[tidal sedge]

To me it's a matter of how much protection he offers at the threshold

[limpid siren]

i think this might be a bit of survivorship bias for the "staying above half"

because that's just honeyberry putting in the work, right?

[tidal sedge]

Plus however competent his on-skill numbers are

[limpid siren]

i think harold's kit has okay bones

[weak gazelle]

yeah his number are the most important part

[limpid siren]

just need to see numbers yea

[weak gazelle]

i am on so so for harold kit

[eager gate]

Didn't know about that

This is ass

[limpid siren]

it's how named effects work

[tidal sedge]

They've very good reason to be wary of Weedy

[weak gazelle]

im just coping harold will have same treatment as astgenne when she powercrept leizi that hard

[limpid siren]

oh

i don't agree that astgenne power crept leizi at all

[spark sinew]

that was sarcasm wasn't it

[tidal sedge]

Arkhy was impressed by the CW-EX-8 5* low op that used her iirc

[spark sinew]

yeah i read this one as sarcasm as well

[weak gazelle]

idk, she target 2 enemy with s2 and no reduce dmg (mod) with cycle half of leizi more or less

[spark sinew]

since it was basically her double hitcount that she was used for

[limpid siren]

huh i found leizi to do a fine job in cw-ex-8

[weak gazelle]

that alone already awesome for me

[tidal sedge]

Half cycle than Leizi?

[south bone]

Astgenne powercreeps Leizi? Since when

[tidal sedge]

I thought Leizi mains s1

[limpid siren]

i agree that astgenne feels more comfortable to use

[spark sinew]

although if you're e1 only player astgenne is way better ig

[limpid siren]

mod makes s2 viable

[eager gate]

Their bosses are shift immune anyway at least let us push normal weight 6 enemies around

[limpid siren]

s2 has about +40k total damage over astgenne in ideal circumstances

[spark sinew]

pre mod s2 felt kinda shit
s1 had weaker numbers but better uptime

[limpid siren]

and the cycle shift ends up being enough to push her into service on s2

something i was very wrong about

[tidal sedge]

Hm. I see

[weak gazelle]

yeah i main leizi s2 most of the time
rarely use s1

[limpid siren]

lightningbearer and leizi s2 post-mod are two of my biggest armchair analysis failures

[spark sinew]

so you would actually rec raising greyy?
I'm honestly very vary of his archetype after ros

[weak gazelle]

this lead to bias understanding and i wont deny it

[spark sinew]

but I've seen a lot of people shill him
especially for is4?

[tidal sedge]

Tbf on Greyyter, he was written off as trash in a lot of places I looked around

[limpid siren]

right now i think lightningbearer is probably top 3 5* sniper

[crisp bolt]

flingers in general are written off as trash because funny can't hit air meme

[limpid siren]

even pre-module he ended up being a lot better than i thought he would

but yea greyy's strength is just how decent he is in almost every situation

[weak gazelle]

the thing i like most from greyyter is his s2 ball didnt require a tile

[sinful gyro]

Sniper who doesn't hit air tho

It's a dealbreaker for me

[limpid siren]

aerial enemies are far less of a threat than people pretend

less of a common threat at least

[sinful gyro]

Wait I apologize, I'm in the wrong channel

[weak gazelle]

idk, when last time aerial enemy is a threat?

[crisp bolt]

people complaining in ch12

[tidal sedge]

Ch 12 seed hives are pretty recent

If you count them at least

[crisp bolt]

those show up in a couple of future content

including the CC CN is doing

[weak gazelle]

that thing is a threat?
idk they are weak af for story chap

[sinful gyro]

(CC revamp, it even got bugged to be stronger than it should be)

[spark sinew]

those things were a menace to me when i cleared ch12

[crisp bolt]

they were an inconvenience to me

luckily having an op that can face tank them really helps

[weak gazelle]

well thing are different if stage modifier, or enemy modifier apply like CC

[crisp bolt]

before that, there were the big drone things. I think people struggled with those a bit on release

[weak gazelle]

sure i agree if that thing get CC treatment became really menacing

[crisp bolt]

the ufo with large red range

[weak gazelle]

for a fuck sake even platinum enjoy killing those ufo comfortably

[crisp bolt]

the upcoming SL boss is aerial

[tidal sedge]

Arkhy, didn't you think Damazti was an easy boss as well

[weak gazelle]

damazti is easy yes

[tidal sedge]

Your ch 12 takes are interesting

[spark sinew]

and astgenne powercrept leizi very hard

hmm

[weak gazelle]

well i do play my own way
and well aware my take are really good bait to start arguing

[tidal sedge]

It's more interesting that way

[weak gazelle]

damazti is about stall management
how hard that be? being honest

[crisp bolt]

[limpid siren]

god why is SN's ui so insanely shit

[crisp bolt]

I hate corrosion damage

[tidal sedge]

I was too lazy for ch 12 H stages so I can't comment

[tidal sedge]

Ikr

[crisp bolt]

it is really painful

[tidal sedge]

It like actively messes with muscle memory when wanting to check enemy info

[crisp bolt]

texalter event really made things easier by having that side menu of stages

[tidal sedge]

Not that enemy info is particularly useful for SN

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
SN ui are one of a kind yeah

[tidal sedge]

I remember hearing that hg got so much shit after sn that they overhauled it into Il siracusano

[crisp bolt]

also on the H12 stages, they weren't too bad

[plucky flint]

At least texalter event have lines in each stages

[weak gazelle]

i feel myself its utterly shit

[crisp bolt]

H12-4 got a bit heated tough

[foggy grove]

navigating sn is a pain in the ass

[weak gazelle]

me being honest and sarcastic
H12 is a reminder of dont being spoiled by duo executor and uncle

[crisp bolt]

except I used them to clear H12

[plucky flint]

I hate boss that needs stalling to beat

[crisp bolt]

uncle was good in basically all the H12 stages so long as you had NG to bait/dodge the boss attack when he summons the drone things

[limpid siren]

ffs

game wants me to use its cringe roomba

[crisp bolt]

I didn't read that the first time I cleared it

[jovial nest]

its hilarious when going back 1 year from my #strategy comments

[eager gate]

There's another one for roomba

[lilac silo]

I'm spamming oriron

Cba to get chests

[jovial nest]

that i did the same comment regarding ricocheting rhoombas in EX-6

[lilac silo]

[jovial nest]

get some chests

imagine a T5 that costs only 20 sanity

those are worth getting

[lilac silo]

After my finals yeah

[tidal sedge]

I havent done horn s3 math in a very long time

But doesnt she out dps mlynar now on overdrive

Thats pretty pog

[tropic valve]

that sounds sus

I'll calc it

[jovial nest]

The problem is

it takes a while for her to get to OD

and her range is harder to work with

also make sure she's gonna block no one of course (easily solved)

[tidal sedge]

I prefer horn range over like any dps op in the game tbh

[jovial nest]

Mlynar's is too easy

cheaper too

[limpid siren]

Total damage should still be lower by a fair margin

[glass monolith]

Mlynar is strong and that's exactly why we ignore him whenever possible

[tidal sedge]

Well obv im not trying to say horn is the better operator

[jovial nest]

Mlynar wins so much because he's only built as a nuker and only as a nuker

he has sacced everything else

for it

[deft badger]

definition of higher difficulty in IS3 support heal defender vouchers flooding this is a joke 😂
IS is a joke i mean..

[tidal sedge]

I just was doing horn calc, and even without the trait change she can out dps mlynar now so its pog

[jovial nest]

really?

this is including max charged Mly, right?

[glass monolith]

That's included dumb amount of atk scale bullshit Mlynar has, right?

[tidal sedge]

1.21 atks per sec
3078 atk
Is horn now

[jovial nest]

are you using Mly calcs wherein you immediately use him off cooldown?

cause Mly's talent slowly increase ATK when idle

[tropic valve]

it turns out Horn's module puts her a bit over Mlynar DPS if she's overloading and in her second bar

[tidal sedge]

Im using viktor numbers for mlynar

[tropic valve]

I'm comparing pot6 and max stack Mlynar

[tidal sedge]

Yep, and thats without block trait bonus too

[tropic valve]

I'm getting 3725 DPS against a 0 DEF enemy, from Horn, with module

[jovial nest]

time to wait for Mly subclass modules heh

strictly speaking i nuke with Horn when i really don't want anyone near the boss

[tropic valve]

Mlynar is at 3680

[tidal sedge]

Viktorlabs actually shows 3627
Prob some weird frame rounding or some sht

[jovial nest]

hmmm wonder how they'll buff mod1 of Liberas

hoping it increases the +200%

or even how fast it charges to cap

[tropic valve]

I'm assuming 1 enemy for Mlynar, and not blocking for Horn

[spark sinew]

did you forget mlynar's cooldowns

[tropic valve]

tbh Liberators don't need a buff so I hope they give them a tiny module

[spark sinew]

or even teq

[tropic valve]

similar to Flags

[tidal sedge]

Charges in 35 sec instead of 40

With 42 sp cost

[spark sinew]

amazing buff fr

[tropic valve]

lmao

[jovial nest]

can we not think that modules as balance patches?

they clearly aren't

[spark sinew]

some are

[tropic valve]

they sometimes are

[jovial nest]

a balance patch doesn't make a broken ops even more broken

[spark sinew]

they clearly are patching some holes

[tropic valve]

as mentioned the flag module

[spark sinew]

but it feels like 2 different teams are working on them

[tropic valve]

compared to Duelist module for example

[jovial nest]

the mentality imo is

[tropic valve]

I agree there are some stinkers

[tidal sedge]

I don't think they'll do near-nothing for liberators considering they're a dps-centric branch

[jovial nest]

modules aren't balance patches....they're equipment updates

[tropic valve]

but overall if feels like they are trying with modules

[jovial nest]

we just need to farm or use mats to get those weapons/armor

i say this because...

[tropic valve]

like how are both of Fartooth's modules bad

[jovial nest]

.you can unequip said "balance updates"

makes zero sense

it feels more like equipment

[tidal sedge]

If I had to guess 1 liberator trait will bolster offense in some sense, the other will bolster bulk off-skill

[jovial nest]

Here's hoping the mod1 that increases damage caps will hit Wanderer.

[tropic valve]

take 16% less damage

[tidal sedge]

take 25% less dmg

Oh we had same idea

[jovial nest]

[glass monolith]

Imagine their module will be slow enemies around them off skill

[jovial nest]

take 100% less damage (HEAL ME, BOSS!)

[stuck ermine]

i think thats what hg would do, making them better as dmg sponge

[jovial nest]

hush

[tropic valve]

I'm just hoping Silverash module is good

[jovial nest]

I'm still curious if Mudrock's potential 2nd module is gonna make her DR be universal....go Gladiia route

[jovial nest]

even if it does hit the redep talent, you STILL might not feel it 99.9% of the time unless you're doing max risk or a redep-only auto

ngl

[tidal sedge]

I mean..... my cn account has max pot april for some reason so

[stuck ermine]

that also means thorns balance patch. +2% hp regen for extra fun

[jovial nest]

1 slot in a squad has to carry

[tidal sedge]

Ill take it

[jovial nest]

and SA being brought just for his S3 and redep talent ain't enough

there's plenty of other nukers and more FRDs these days

[tidal sedge]

His s3 is still usable

[jovial nest]

well

that's just my way of playing

[tidal sedge]

Cope to use SA s3 in 2023 ye, but if his talent becomes good enough to put him in squad he can still be helpful

[jovial nest]

as for Thorns, yeahhhhh, he's the only one I'm not too excited about unless whatever mod lvl 2-3 effect they give is an additional effect, rather than just improving the talent