strategy

[robust hemlock]

i love skadi's whisper voice....so calm and cute

[glass monolith]

[pearl breach]

Completing two event stories at the same time? You did a deligent work.

[robust hemlock]

me?

[pearl breach]

Ye

[robust hemlock]

im too lazy for real.....

but in fact got trimmed one too

idk why navis so bad for me....

but

in global navis easier then lonetrail

idk yet what to do with invisible ones

cz only one way to clear them is ines sword

[glass monolith]

3 enemies which hit you below belt if you don't silence them, and also enemy which by design exists to desync your shit

[robust hemlock]

cz if i put scene bots they get oneshoted by spikes

and others mobs

[robust hemlock]

wellp i caaaan use ceobe s3....

but very important here to use lappland

[glass monolith]

Ceobe S3 is one entity, and those shits attack 3 lanes

[robust hemlock]

ye...

but here in fact no ranged silencers

i remember only ceobe, lappland and....this one 4* forgot the name supporter

[pearl breach]

SN S 4 A is hard because you need to min max the ops talent, range & skill. Not to mention the basic mechanic of the event stage.

More than that it's pretty much the same as LT. (Enemy power wise)

[robust hemlock]

ah ye podenco

maaaaybe i should use waii fu but....she e0 1

she silencer too

[pearl breach]

Not reliable silence but viable option.

[robust hemlock]

but..meeeh

i think i can clear without any of them

[pearl breach]

Read the enemy desc a bit. Esp the one that bothering you.

That's the clue.

[robust hemlock]

i allready know them.....

and im not happy with this information

[glass monolith]

Unless that enemy is IW boss. That shit is unreadable

[robust hemlock]

invisible stackable fish who kill all in seconds....

[pearl breach]

The difference between knowing and understand have a big gap

[robust hemlock]

spikes who throw on all map only cz mud

[pearl breach]

So? Which means?

[robust hemlock]

and ofc 5 in a same time

[glass monolith]

(He thinks THAT S-1 has only 5 of them )

[robust hemlock]

wich means i need more silence then i have

cz pretty much mobs who spread this shit

[pearl breach]

Or you could clean the mud before it's spread.

[robust hemlock]

i cant

[pearl breach]

You don't need to clear all of them though

[robust hemlock]

too much

[pearl breach]

And the mud will only be stop if there is an operator stepping on it.

[robust hemlock]

even if i have pretty much good ranged ops i dont have invisible cleaner for all of them

[pearl breach]

So putting Hoshi S2 or Mylnar on front is not a bad idea. Right?

Backtrack damage exist

[robust hemlock]

dont have even hoshi....

[pearl breach]

Ofc with the help of the healers.

[tidal sedge]

Try ambusher

[pearl breach]

Then a second option.

[robust hemlock]

ah wait....have...i just dont want to lvlup her at all

[glass monolith]

I tried

[robust hemlock]

cz of her

[winter olive]

That's not true

[half flint]

I've been trying the mission of SN-EX-8 for hours and I could have sworn I let it eat all types of different buffs, but still couldn't finish the mission

What did I do wrong

[pearl breach]

Put the boss poop on top of each other

Srsly.

[robust hemlock]

should be wrong food

[half flint]

what does that mean

[glass monolith]

Not CM? Not practice? Can you record it so we can say for sure if it ate different buffs?

[pearl breach]

Stall then kill both of poop carrier.

[winter olive]

Just put a healing defender on the top right

Then let the two marked enemies stay close to one another

That way the boss will consume more buffs

[half flint]

alright, let me

[robust hemlock]

dont let a boss eat stackable buff

[pearl breach]

Did you bring elemental medic?

[robust hemlock]

elem medic doesnt work on mudrock

and yes i have mulberry

[pearl breach]

Don't bring her into that stage lol

[tidal sedge]

Mud is fine in sn imo, just dont use her to solo lanehold

She normally lives from what I remember

[pearl breach]

Why don't you show us your rooster?

Yomi..

[tidal sedge]

Yomi...

[pearl breach]

Your full rooster pls..

[robust hemlock]

[tidal sedge]

E2 nightmare

[robust hemlock]

[robust hemlock]

why not

[tidal sedge]

Indeed

[robust hemlock]

she got it when i dont has even eyja

[pearl breach]

Wait a sec.

[glass monolith]

Only reason my Nightmare is not E2 is how huge this damn queue to e2 is

[robust hemlock]

even now wait for her skin rerun....

[half flint]

god, I don't have whale nitro so I'd have to compress the file. It's gonna take a while

[vernal lion]

ugh

[glass monolith]

I learned where "x2 video speed" button on my video editor

[robust hemlock]

i hate all defenders expect mudrock

[turbid badge]

i

[vernal lion]

[robust hemlock]

[pearl breach]

Saria can hold bottom lane.
Lapland the middle lane, facing top.
For top ones perhaps liskarm + eyja S2. But you need to place more than skelter I believe.

[glass monolith]

Everyone have right for their own opinion..... Also i will Eunectes S2 bosses each time it is convinient way to cheese them

[robust hemlock]

liskarm dies faster then i even heal her

[pearl breach]

Bring 1 ambusher (Texalter with you) for back up. Small dogo may leak

[half flint]

hopefully I don’t leave out any key parts

[glass monolith]

Which map you do again? Funny version of S-1 or S-4?

[pearl breach]

That's what I'm thinking. Nobody fits holding top lane.

[robust hemlock]

[pearl breach]

Except E2 hoshi with s2

[robust hemlock]

not sure

but i need anyway to do all of them

pretty complicated

[half flint]

finally through

[pearl breach]

Try nearl with two healers perhaps

[half flint]

can someone have a look at it

[pearl breach]

Don't spawn kill it

[pearl breach]

The poop need to be at least 1 tile side by side

[robust hemlock]

and better not to let him eat this one

he eat 2 wich closer to him

[half flint]

from the last place he was defeated?

[robust hemlock]

or 3 in tge same time if they connected

[robust hemlock]

ye

[half flint]

so it depends on proximity instead of whatever one you takes down first...?

[robust hemlock]

no metter who first killed or last

just who closer

[pearl breach]

See this. Put someone beside Chen to block the poop carrier. You may kill both of them after they are being block.

The poop literally 1 tile side by side and the boss will eat them.

[robust hemlock]

and this guy give him stacks of atk what dissapear if he dont attack

[half flint]

I'm okay with that

I just don't want him to have the physical and arts dodge

[robust hemlock]

this dodges dissapear if he got a stun or freeze

texas moment here

[glass monolith]

Issue is Unique buffs come from right side while left repeats.
Phase 1 it eats bubble boy and creep spawn on death. (Left uneaten dodge boy)
Phase 2 it eats bubble boy from left side and dodge boy on top right so you already 3/5 buffs instead 4/5 if you were spawn killing all a bit more to right. (right side uneaten resist thing)
Phase 3 he eats tree and left side dodge boy. (Right side uneated multitarget hedgehog)
2 bubbles, 2 dodges, creep, tree - 4/5 buffs

[half flint]

I think I know which one I missed

either the hedgehog or the mushroom

[glass monolith]

As person who spawnkill boss phase 1 inside red box using phantom S2 i never had boss travel far enough to screw me over with that mission

[pearl breach]

The one that Chen spawn kill the poop carrier

[half flint]

didn't notice that I spawn killed the dodge and the shroom to the right side and at first they did glow but when the bubble boy died on the left the shroom one stopped glowing

[glass monolith]

Glow represent currently closest, you kill another one it move glows to closer

[pearl breach]

Early player have it rough. Moreover with a small number of kits available.

[half flint]

I guess my strategy is prolly to wait on phase 2 for the dodge and the shroom to get a bit closer, then kill them, or on phase 3, wait for the hedge to come closer, or just eliminate the small boss completely at spawn, then set up the killing chamber when it moves up instead of killing it all the way at the top

[glass monolith]

Btw your phase 1 eat has funny bug with boss - if enemy buff droped inside blue box boss won't target it (don't work if you drop ALL buffs there)

[half flint]

which one are you referring to

the bubble boy's or the dodge's

[glass monolith]

Phase 1 left buff - dodge boy

I am not sure if he would target it over buff on bottom, but just as random "More you know"

[half flint]

oh yeah, they are kinda the same distance right

but the dodge's is a bit inside the blue box

[cyan gorge]

Welp I've fulfilled my birdknights quota this event, time to full rarity abuse S stages

[glass monolith]

Peta i would like to report seaborn dog abuse

[half flint]

Thanks gyze, it’s done

Phase 1: creep and bubble
Phase 2: dodge & shroom (they stack on top of each other) and bubble
Phase 3: hedgehog and tree

[vernal lion]

can't wait to see Damazti vs. Endspeaker

[glass monolith]

Screw you and your wet TfN design simping

[cosmic thicket]

Wasn't this bug patched

At least my friends who are trying to low op stuff were complaining that it was

[tidal sedge]

Any op to change for SN S 4 A stage?

[cosmic thicket]

Cut ling for penance if u have and maybe run a tactician for the + 1 block funny

[tidal sedge]

I don't have penance. Plus my tactician at lvl 1

[cosmic thicket]

Level 1 is fine

All it's used for is immortal pet strat

Basically with +1 block component, when the pet is refreshing it will block while refreshing and it can't take damage

Reefbreakers are much easier to handle like this

[pearl breach]

Ling summon is pretty tanky, ngl.
But I dont know if its enough to stand the toxin from the mud and the last spitting unit.

Perhaps that was sufficient.
Gnosis holding both mid and the top lane?

[cosmic thicket]

Tbh I don't like Ling here because you have other actual units that like to be placed down

[tropic valve]

that is kinda the issue of ling, if you wanna play a real squad

[gray stone]

@scarlet ledge hey bestie
nvm I solved it with a Sexas borrow

[tidal sedge]

I always disagree with that take tbh. A summoner is a summoner more bodies=more bodies. She is still useful even in a full squad

[pallid veldt]

deployment slots in a team are limited

[tropic valve]

right she's still useful, but the delta of usefulness is smaller compared to a ling solo squad

[pallid veldt]

if ur playing with a full squad of built units, the opportunity cost of 1 deployment limit that you give up to deploy a dragon is usually higher than what you gain from the dragon itself

if the rest of ur team is shit obviously the dragon is pretty good

that guys team is pretty good though

[gray stone]

Man the 1p deploy daily is too easy

[proven garnet]

Need help with 5-7

Haven’t tried it in a while because event grind, but I just remember it not working

[tidal sedge]

The way you look at it is very..... well point is I dont agree. The "opportunity cost" of having less deployment space also gives you hella squad space, which personally I value waaaaay more. Ofc thats completely person by person

Point is, even on a full squad of purely meta units, you can still use Ling, and that would allow you to use surtr+texalt+yato+flagpipe etc, basically anything that has the main downside of taking squad space to a much higher degree than you normally would be able to

[peak cloak]

u can borrow a texas alter with s3 she can help u to wipe drones and waves of enemy at the beginning.

[pallid veldt]

the squad space you gain doesnt matter if you cant put the units down because of deployment limit

in most stages ur squad size is greater than ur deployment limit

[shrewd hinge]

Imo if ur playing summoners in a full squad, the rest of ur squad should be helidrops to maximize that high squad space low deployment space situation

And drop 1-2 helidrops at a time

[tidal sedge]

Thats my point

[shrewd hinge]

So it does work, but u have to play a particular way

And make sure the rest of ur units use that deploy slot rly well

[tidal sedge]

Well, no "optimal" is different from useful

[pallid veldt]

doesnt really make sense to use a summoner when 4-5 deployment limit worth of normal units are stronger than ling and 4 dragons

[shrewd hinge]

I.e. medics and defenders will probably mostly be removed

Well

The tradeoff is that u get to cycle like 3 fast redeploy in 1 slot

[pallid veldt]

the dragons are just tanky ground units

[shrewd hinge]

Issue is

[pallid veldt]

we have tons of broken ground units already

[shrewd hinge]

Ling isn't a classic 2-3 phase summoner like m&m

Ling is a lane holder for all intents and purposes

[tidal sedge]

It does are you not reading what I am saying lol. Thats 4-5 more space for more units that generally arent deployed such as flagpipe, ines, surtr and more

[shrewd hinge]

So her dragons are directly competing with something like a mudrock

[pallid veldt]

i am reading what ur saying you are just conveniently ignoring my argument

[tidal sedge]

No, I am saying both work. But Ling isnt useless even in a meta comp

[shrewd hinge]

But if u play m&m or even scene to a lesser extent, the ability to move ur summons around warrants a non-laneholding playstyle, thus not competing with laneholders

[pallid veldt]

shes not useless if you want to purposely shoot urself in the foot by not choosing optimal units for your limited deployment limit

[shrewd hinge]

Ling does compete with other units for slots tho since the dragons don't do anything more than them
I.e. move around

[glass monolith]

Ling by herself is meta comp

[pallid veldt]

i just dont think anyone that genuinely wants to pick the strongest team they can in a normal 12 squad size 10 deployment limit setting is putting ling in there

in other words shes pretty useless in a meta comp

[tidal sedge]

I feel like you seriously overestimate how much Ling costs There are plenty of stages that require high dmg but are not tight on deployment limit at all. In which case ansummoner would be a top tier option. Even if its a stage with tight deployment limit, at most you just dont place her, since you arent likely to get full use out of your whole squad in a stage like that anyway. It cant go both ways

[pallid veldt]

lings damage isnt high compared to what you would get out of 5 deployment slots worth of other units

[shrewd hinge]

I think this argument still holds if the stage allows for the dragons to hold their own and not die

[gray stone]

Ling S3 does the bare minimum of lane holding lol

[shrewd hinge]

It's not about "the strongest laneholders" it's about "strong enough laneholding"

[tidal sedge]

The dmg you get from the extra squad space sir

[pallid veldt]

its like on one hand you have maybe 7 ling-replacement ops and 5 helidrops or whatever in a team, or you have ling and 11 helidrops

except the 7 ling replacement ops are doing a hell of a lot better job lane holding than ling

and the 6 extra helidrops you gain probably arent even being deployed

[shrewd hinge]

In stages that are harder on laneholding the dragons may not be good
But stages with weaker trash mobs and periodic elites, maybe helidrops can take care

[gray stone]

Mlynar himself is not a helidrop
Chalter isn't a helidrop
Exalter isn't a helidrop

[shrewd hinge]

Stage dependent so neither is right or wrong

[pallid veldt]

no its not really stage dependent

[shrewd hinge]

Nani

[pallid veldt]

unless the stages ur pointing out as fringe cases are like 2 squad size 10 deployment limit cc dailies

in which case sure

ling balls out

[gray stone]

It holds up when you throw a bunch of one and done ops at the enemies but when you need really big damage Ling dragons naturally falls off

[shrewd hinge]

?

It depends on how strong ur laneholding needs to be

That's all I'm saying

[gray stone]

If I'm deploying Ling and 2 dragons for 5 deploy slots, I can just opt for Penance/Mudrock for 2 deploy slots

[shrewd hinge]

Ye, generally it is so for most stages unless u need those 2 extra helidrops

But for general content u can just play however u want anyway

[tidal sedge]

Again bro, you are overestimatimg her cost .

A summoner is a body generator, some times they are extremely useful, sometimes they wont hold a lane by themself.

The point is, you dont need to blow it out of proportion by bringing "11 helidrops" but by bringing ling instead of 2-3 ground units, you can save yourself extra squad space.

I was never arguing that ling will hold better than a mudrock, but the point is that you dont normally need a mudrock, so there is little downside in saving squad space

[pallid veldt]

what else are you bringing

[gray stone]

Having more deploy slots allow space for ops that needs to be on field (Mlynar, Chalter)

[shrewd hinge]

Summoners aren't rly body generators btw

[pallid veldt]

ur whole point is that you get more squad size to bring non-lane holders

[shrewd hinge]

Only dc and scene

M&m operate differently, and ling is more a laneholder than random bodies

I wouldn't treat them the same

[craggy turret]

The only real (inefficient) body generator is dusk

[shrewd hinge]

dusk generates bodies so fast it's p cool

but now we have mumu

[gray stone]

True and based

[shrewd hinge]

free hp bars is nice

btw, in SN, the item that gives ranged ops 80% hp applies to clones on ranged tiles right, not clones who absorbed ranged ops?

[craggy turret]

I assume mumu clones get the buff yea

Since it says ranged "operators" tho, summons might not count?

Not sure tbh

[shrewd hinge]

i can test it with maggie drones, but i think general buffs apply to anything that can be buffed

actually i'll jsut test with mumu ranged s3

[gray stone]

Isn't there a "All operators gain +1 block" buff that applies to Dorothy's traps?

[shrewd hinge]

should figure everything in 1 run

[craggy turret]

So then mumu ranged clones would count I imagine

[tidal sedge]

Yes? Now you have
1-2 weaker lanes due to ling dragons+ less deployment space. But you have

+bagpipe to get dp earlier
+some sort of extra dmg in a tight situation that you werent already bringing. such as eyja, surtr, saria (on s3 now) + whatever else you want.

• A body generator already on the field.

Obviously in some situations either would be worse or better. My point is that people underestimate what she actually brings into a full comp

[craggy turret]

No, traps aren't treated as either allies or summons, same with stainless cannon

[shrewd hinge]

im using mumu ranged clones to block cuz nethersea brand is cringe

[pallid veldt]

body generators are pretty useless when you already have lane holders

as aforementioned ling also like

is just not a body generator

deepcolor is a body generator

ling is not

all the ops you mentioned are ops that people typically bring to stages over ling already, cause they bring more value than what a dragon does

[tidal sedge]

You can only bring 1 over ling.

But if you arent short on deployment limit (which I am normally not) then having her just means you get 2/3 instead of 1

[craggy turret]

Ling and her drgns are good cuz they are a fat stat stick that can beat the enemy, or atleast delay them, she's also good for low squad sizes, since you get the benefits lane holders for the price of one squad space

[pallid veldt]

sure

this is pretty pointless

i just think the deployment limit you lose bringing ling doesnt warrant the squad size you gain

but the opposite perspective also exists

[shrewd hinge]

i think u guys are saying the same thing

just bring what u need to the stage

lol

[pallid veldt]

nah we arent

[vernal lion]

bring Ling and the entire of helidrop op

[pallid veldt]

most people dont have more than like 5-6 good helidrops anyways

[vernal lion]

that's their issue

[pallid veldt]

thats not an issue

[shrewd hinge]

my current team is mumu, magallan, pozy, skalter, and 8 helidrops

[tidal sedge]

Ppl are spoiled by chronic FrDs

[pallid veldt]

there literally arnet more than like 6 good dps helidrops in the game

[shrewd hinge]

nono there are a lot

[tidal sedge]

Thats not true wtf

[pallid veldt]

yeah and most of them suck

[shrewd hinge]

yatexas, SA, specter, surtr

eyja even

[pallid veldt]

specter isnt a dps op

[shrewd hinge]

anything with a < 15s timer

< 10 if strict

[pallid veldt]

her damage output is pretty shitty compared the other 3 you named

[shrewd hinge]

fair

explains why i dont use her that much

[tidal sedge]

Surtr, eyja, FrDs, Skadi, NTRK, saria. This is 6 already

[pallid veldt]

saria?

[gray stone]

Saria?

[shrewd hinge]

saria is a helidrop???

dreadnoughts and utage true tho

[gray stone]

Utage is irrelevant in this day and age
If you are playing meta

[pallid veldt]

utage is a far cry from everything else on that list

[tidal sedge]

Her s3 is pretty helidrop ye. Although some people dont veiw it as helidrop if it isnt used ontop of enemy ig

[shrewd hinge]

i mean u have like 6-8 helidrops

[pallid veldt]

ok well

TIL i guess

[shrewd hinge]

not all are gonna be the same caliber

[pallid veldt]

saria s3 helidrop dps

[shrewd hinge]

some just need to assassinate a caster

[gray stone]

Surtr, NTRK, Sexas, Yato, Ines, Skadi
That's probably it? Unless you want to bring Lessing

[cyan gorge]

Archetto is a helidrop with mod y

[vernal lion]

tbh I don't know if you point out the reason for this conversation
because it's pretty depended on stage

[gray stone]

Oh Eyja

[craggy turret]

Labrats clear

[pallid veldt]

ines dps is also pretty bad

if surtr and NTRK are like part of the conversation

[gray stone]

Ines is more for stalling until the others come up

[craggy turret]

I treat Ines more like a debuffer tbh

[shrewd hinge]

essentially what i do yea

[tidal sedge]

Bag then

[shrewd hinge]

clutterknights + helidrops

so i can just buff my helidrops

and move em around

[tidal sedge]

Fk even horn is "helidropable"

[pallid veldt]

ok pal what

[shrewd hinge]

sadly mayer sucks in that kinda team

since

[gray stone]

Take your meds

[shrewd hinge]

a stun/30s for 1 deploy slot is just not that impressive

but it's not bad

if u have 6 helidrops and mumu tho u liekly wont need mayer

maggie is enough

[tidal sedge]

Sir, I am a chronic ed3 only player in IS3, dps off deployment matters even if its not conventional

[pallid veldt]

horn is shit for ed3

[gray stone]

Who tf draft Horn for ed3

Horn start?

[tidal sedge]

I dont draft "for" ed3 even on d15 cuz u literally just bring pozy

[gray stone]

I guess she works because you still have to clear Highmore first

[pallid veldt]

ok pal what

minimum requirements for d15 isharmla are like

2 vanguards, usually a flag and cantabile

suzu/shamare

pozy mlynar and another dps

[tidal sedge]

Thats cringe wtf

[gray stone]

Do you play d15 end3?

[pallid veldt]

ed3 is the most draft-intensive IS3 stage

[tidal sedge]

I kill with ines, myrtle, pozy, and like 2 other main dps

[pallid veldt]

yeah thats literally what i just said

[tidal sedge]

Main dps as in worse than mlynar

[pallid veldt]

i mean NTRK works too

thats what i usually use

horn is an awful pick

[gray stone]

Schizo takes
Call Kermit we need to cleanse

[pallid veldt]

idk why you would say ed3 like a justification for her

even rosters that have access to every operator in the game still dont have a 100% success rate on ed3 unlike ed1 just due to the heavy draft requirements for the stage

[tidal sedge]

No, because I already have pozy and probably will have some other random dps role

Horn is for other stages like highmore

[pallid veldt]

yeah so idk why you would talk about ed3

[vernal lion]

I hope every stage of IS3 is emergency OOC

[tidal sedge]

It was literally only because helidrop dmg. Because of the reaction I got after I said even horn was somewhat "helidropable"

[gray stone]

Yeah uhh
How

[pallid veldt]

the only reason horn is good on ed1 is because she is one of the only high damage ops that outrange highmores ridiculous aspd field

not because shes a helidrop dps

[tidal sedge]

Yes?

[pallid veldt]

horn is like the opposite of a helidrop

[tidal sedge]

10sec till skill

[pallid veldt]

ur point is that horn is helidropable

[gray stone]

Horn draft in end3 is understandable because you still have to beat Highmore
Horn helidrop is like shit

[pallid veldt]

to support this point

you give an example of horn being great because she is the opposite of a helidrop

this is why i am confused

she takes like a minute to get her damage out and can only do so from 5 tiles away when an enemy is stationary

on highmore thats perfect but thats usually the opposite of how helidrops work

anyways

this is so far from the original topic

its whatever

[turbid badge]

lol i forgot

[pallid veldt]

most normal carnelian team composition

[vernal lion]

[turbid badge]

its just carnelian module D

[tidal sedge]

No, my point was that, how fast you get to dps off of deployment matters, in which ed3 is literally the main example. It has nothing to do with ideal ops to draft for it. you guys just argue so quickly.

10sec for a skill activation is pretty fast, faster than eyja normally for example. So when I said horn is "helidropable" the quotes are for meaning that I know I am going out on a limb. Its just that ak players immediately like to argue and start talking about how she is a horrible draft for some reason

[tropic valve]

1 vanguard is workable but painful

[vernal lion]

this btw

tbh if you can just use 1 vg, you will have plenty of option to do a stage

[turbid badge]

ngl wtf

i should probably turn it off

[vernal lion]

it's just about timing of your deployment

[latent anvil]

[tidal sedge]

Well for IS there is plenty of DP related relics anyway

[gray stone]

Can you consistently get those relics?

[tidal sedge]

If you dont have any, I would prob just want canta/ines and a flag alone

[tropic valve]

if you get ASPD or convalescence, then Canta alone is enough DP, and if you get initial SP, then flag alone is enough

[tidal sedge]

Since placing more vg for ed3 isnt exactly positive since early dmg can outweigh later dp gen

[proven garnet]

you know, i see why everyone talks about her like that now

worked like a charm, thanks

[tropic valve]

as for dealing damage on D15, the ranking goes Heavyshooters > NTRK > Mlynar

[pallid veldt]

mlynar is probably a little better overall though

cheaper and less risk of dying from tears

[tidal sedge]

Me who somehow ends up with AH and watches skadi 1v1 the boss

[tropic valve]

true, Mlynar helps you get to the end and tanks stuff

[pallid veldt]

1 flag with initial sp still sounds brutal

im sure its workable though

[tidal sedge]

Mlynar is also better since you can place him on further tears

[pallid veldt]

or you can just

force the tear in a fixed spot

with 2 VG

mainly better cause tanking yeah

like broodmother balls n shit

[tropic valve]

you can also force the first tear with 1 VG + Gravel or something

[tidal sedge]

I see I guess I am the only person who just prays for the tears to go into good spots

[pallid veldt]

hidden isharmla technology

[gray stone]

ah yes
Just high roll it

[cyan gorge]

The deepcolor relic

no limit on her summons

[tropic valve]

The mayer relic

[pallid veldt]

nah its dc relic for me

mlynar start eating good

[vernal lion]

that's scroll look like from Ling

you stole it?

[peak cloak]

idk about others, but when i redo that stage in cm, i used Texas alter and she worked well. so i recommended you.

[vernal lion]

my old auto is so cursed lol

[tender tusk]

Honeyberry :

[deft badger]

how much def do those mantas have in IS

or is it high hp

[tropic valve]

low DEF high HP

[tidal sedge]

If u mean they levitating guys they dont have high def

[tropic valve]

250-300 DEF

[vernal lion]

Theresis at home belike:

[ancient hearth]

will we ever see the ls4 slugs ever again?

[vernal lion]

you mean the rush of 35 alpha slugs

[ancient hearth]

we need to return to the classics

[vernal lion]

I think Paprica + Fia is a combo now lol

[turbid badge]

naga uhh

yk u can release earlier

just cancel skill fr

[vernal lion]

yea I know

[turbid badge]

i had a heart attack

wtf

beagle gameplay

k

[latent anvil]

[vernal lion]

btw, about the +% atk part, it's not fully %atk buff from skill,
it bases on how long the skill last before expire

[turbid badge]

oh

[vernal lion]

for s2m3, it's 50%,
so you get 50% / 5 seconds = 10% per second

[turbid badge]

wtf naga rich

im stuck at sl7

[vernal lion]

I also play niche

[turbid badge]

seeing wacky kits pop off makes my brain tingle

[deft badger]

whats that op

[vernal lion]

Wind Chimes

[deft badger]

that atk looks cool

[vernal lion]

almost 1500 atk

at max

[turbid badge]

funny op w vigor

[vernal lion]

it would be funny to see Bison give def for Wind Chimes lmao

[turbid badge]

naga just use heidi

[vernal lion]

Bison is 45 def, Shining is 140 def, Skalter is 158 def

it's 343 total def

[crystal cargo]

Roberta

Is like 110

Def

[tidal sedge]

I stole this

Staying alive without healing

Def
Shining, Aak, Heidi, Skalter, Roberta (Melee t.), Saileach, Bison, Pallas (Melee t.), Nian, WhIslash, Bryophyta, Gravel (10 dp or below)
Class specific: Siege, Zima, Hoshiguma, Mint

Res
Nightingale, Bassline

Damage reduction
Abjurers, Stainless, Gladiia (AH only)

Dodge meme
Croissant, Deepcolor, Flametail

Invisibility/Camouflage
Heavyrain (Cam.)
Tsukinogi (Invis.)

Atk debuff
Shamare, Mousse, Waai Fu, Mountain, Mumu (clone), Hexer module (Don't know which)

Tsukinogi doesn't grant invis

Dodge list is missing Mayer and probably other ops

[vernal lion]

hmm

[crystal cargo]

Doesn’t mayer only apply to her summons

[tidal sedge]

Applies to adjacent operators too at m1-3

[vernal lion]

wait, 20 bonus def from Shining add to Skalter too?

[crystal cargo]

Has anyone done a dodge team in is with the attack up if dodge relics

[tidal sedge]

I tried. But it isnt worth even if you get lucky

[turbid badge]

yea

[vernal lion]

but it's 363 def

[turbid badge]

im getting shining mod

for this

my bison not raised sadly

[vernal lion]

wait, but the 40 bonus def for ground unit doesn't work tho

I will take screenshot again

oh wait

the def debuff from slug is after this

even if you didn't deploy your medic first

[turbid badge]

Lol

[vernal lion]

lol

so with Bison, Shining, Skalter,
crusher will get 403 flat def

[turbid badge]

is this with mod 3 skalt and bison?

i mean shining

[vernal lion]

yea mod3 shining

my Bison is E1

[tidal sedge]

Anyways

[vernal lion]

so he only gives 45 flat def

[turbid badge]

i try cope miny

but her beinbg ranged

hard to work with so

[vernal lion]

oh E2 Bison with mod3 gives 100 flat def

holy shit

I should E2 him now

[clever kernel]

NOW

[turbid badge]

now

[clever kernel]

does

[turbid badge]

im just gonna

[clever kernel]

defense buff stacks

[turbid badge]

Ofc

[clever kernel]

like the defense bison gives, does it get multiplied by shining talent

or is it still flat additive

[tidal sedge]

Shining talent is flat additive too

[clever kernel]

oh

i was thinking of her s3 then

my bad

[tidal sedge]

In that case, yes.

[clever kernel]

interesting

[tidal sedge]

Except for Inspiration, flat additive apply before % buffs

[clever kernel]

is it def only or does atk buffs work similarly

afaik there isnt any flat additive other than inspire

[tidal sedge]

Atk/Def Steal apply where Inspiration does too

[tidal sedge]

Unknown as we have no flat atk buffs that aren't Inspiration or stat steal

[clever kernel]

unfortunate

also

are all aspd buff flat

i cant remember any percentage ones

they modify attack interval instead right?

[tidal sedge]

Theres % aspd modifiers. But no player usable ones

[clever kernel]

wtfart

spaghet coding

[tidal sedge]

Dossoles water aspd debuff and OD red tumor aspd debuff are such

[clever kernel]

red tumor was percentage?

[tidal sedge]

Yes

[clever kernel]

thats why using high aspd was still ineffective

[tidal sedge]

80% cut in both cases

[clever kernel]

it applies after everything then

[tidal sedge]

Well, some Dossoles maps only had it 60%

[cyan gorge]

Between Gnosis, Stainless, and Aak, who benefits most from buying their mod? (mod 1 only rn)

[tidal sedge]

None of them have super impactful mod1s

Stainless doesnt really need mod tho

Aak has better mod3

[cyan gorge]

Idk -4 cost on S3 turret seems kinda cracked for a base mod

[tidal sedge]

Oh actually I do agree for the dp part.

Most people just ignore it tho

[cyan gorge]

So Stainless is the best of the 3?

[tidal sedge]

For mod1 ye I would say so

[clever kernel]

60% fragile is funni

but unneeded

[cyan gorge]

I'd pick Gnosis but his mod upgrades are a low priority for me rn

[tidal sedge]

Well ye gnosis mod3 is good. Mod1 isnt great for him tho

[clever kernel]

it does its thing

atk down is never bad

[tidal sedge]

Itd be better to mod1 shamare

[clever kernel]

?

[cyan gorge]

Does base mod work on her doll too?

[clever kernel]

i actually dont know

[tidal sedge]

I dont think so, its just for her basic attacks

I have not tested it

[cyan gorge]

I just place Shamare in a far off corner, unlike Gnosis

[clever kernel]

same

she has worse defensive stats than him

and doesnt need to attack

[tidal sedge]

Well if you want atk down your more likely to bring shamare

[clever kernel]

brings mousse

[cyan gorge]

I just thought it'd be a nice bonus for Gnosis, especially for bird shenanigans

[clever kernel]

yep

[tidal sedge]

Im not like u ppl. I place my shamare to get use of her talent too normally

[clever kernel]

ok

[tidal sedge]

It wouldn't be that substantial for Sham either

Ye. Its more than gnosis tho generally speaking since if you want atk down having some is better than none on her downtimes.

For gnosis the atk down wont be as generally helpful. Ofc if you place shamare in wonderland somewhere then ye gnosis all the way

Though there's probably some kind of longterm stall that'd enjoy it. It's a matter of finding it ig

[gray stone]

I'm killing myself

380 for the banner

[tidal sedge]

Thats the actual hard one ye

[civic nest]

do it

[cyan gorge]

I mean enfeeble on Gnosis I can see being low value, considering you bring him so enemies don't attack

[gray stone]

The point is safeguard when enemies do attack

[tidal sedge]

Well that can go both ways tho since on shamare, the extra % wont matter during her s2 even if it did stack.

[neat skiff]

Shamares doll applies her talent.

[cyan gorge]

It does?

[neat skiff]

Same as skalter, the doll is considered part of her range.

[tidal sedge]

That doesnt really mean anything unless it is actually a situation where she will die if I place her further up tho

Still 50% uptime

[woeful sierra]

bleh i want rosmontis to place at least 1 gear on the tile right above the p, but she never seem to do it. is her gear placement rng on dependent on enemy positions?

[tepid ivy]

It favors enemy positions iirc

Also reminder for this rerun unless they fixed it, tactitian vanguard summons retain the +1 block from the machine even when theyre dead, so you can have a 1 block immortal buddy for tough spots

[vernal lion]

• if there's no enemy (or there's invisible/invincible enemy) in range, she will drop 2 pillars randomly
• if there's 1 visible enemy in range, she will target 1 pillar at it, and the other pillar will be random
• if there's 2 visible enemies in range, she will target each pillar to them
• if there's many visible enemies in range, she will target the 2 enemies that are closer to bluebox (which is depended on each enemy's movement path, or distance) BUT not in a same tile

[woeful sierra]

ty

[clever kernel]

funni pillar

[limpid siren]

i don't remember this being true

[cedar hound]

Actual misinfo

[tidal sedge]

[latent halo]

Hi

[tidal sedge]

No

[tropic valve]

this isn't #help

[latent halo]

Makes it even better

[spark sinew]

i finally found you

[spark sinew]

Hi, how do i do symbiosis on e1 weedy start

[latent halo]

Show map so I can draw it for u

[latent halo]

First ur vg draft must be yato

[latent halo]

This is emergency symbol btw

If weedy desync

Like her s1 leaks 1

Use dice

It happens sometimes

[spark sinew]

oh wow the cannon tech is great

[gray stone]

I love Spec Cast

[spark sinew]

i feel dumb for not even trying to use it the...two times i ran this map

[latent halo]

Yes speCast fun

[tropic valve]

the Yato push is so pog

[neat skiff]

It's not. The people who told me it did were mistaken.

[neat skiff]

Yup. Got bad info.

[limpid siren]

yea that's fair

there's too much weird shit to know in this game

[gray stone]

Rare Khold misinfo

[tidal sedge]

It's been around since her existence, interesting how it's persisted for so long.

[neat skiff]

It's the "below 40% HP" that makes it a pain to test.

[gray stone]

I think if it did then they would put it in the skill description

Are there any skills that do extra things out of the skill description?

[tidal sedge]

Would misleading descriptions like Provence s1 count?

[gray stone]

Is it +ATK% when target goes below 20% HP?

[tidal sedge]

Alternatively, Stainless s3 turrets have certain features you can only know by selecting them and looking at their trait and talent. Notably the healing from artificers and the phys damage reduction they grant.

[neat skiff]

The game says +atk%, the code says atk%

[latent halo]

Really

[tidal sedge]

Provence s1 actually scales linearly based on target's % of hp. Description it has makes folks think it scales at 20% thresholds/breakpoints.

[limpid siren]

it's atk_scale yea

[neat skiff]

Yeah, only of like 3 times the +atk% and atk% don't match up.

[gray stone]

"Falls by 20%" made me thought it was "everytime they lose 20% HP"

That might just be me being stupid

[tidal sedge]

Oh. Santalla s2 might also count here.

It says random tiles but selects tiles on a per-row basis, rather than being totally random.

[neat skiff]

To be fair, how Santalla S2 works would basically be a small novel actually explaining how the RNG works.

[gray stone]

tbf, totally random can lead to shitty RNG

Like GG crits working like a pity system

[neat skiff]

GG explosions are at least a reasonable description.

[tidal sedge]

I was just about to mention GG talent

[gray stone]

Don't know why they added it specifically for GG tho

instead of other ops with a crit talent

[neat skiff]

GG is already really good.

Especially if mech accord casters ever get a module. Both her talents would benefit greatly.

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Have gotten 6*s with rng crits since her

[gray stone]

She's the oddity in that she's the only one with a pity system

[tidal sedge]

No "if" there. They're getting one next event in CN

[neat skiff]

Unlike someone like Thorns where his talents are more of an accidental bonus more than anything.

[gray stone]

Thorns should get a crit talent

[tidal sedge]

Oh wait. Viviana

[gray stone]

Caper has a crit talent and iirc she has a really high chance too

[neat skiff]

To be fair, how do you balance someone as strong as GG without setting their crit to like 5%

Set to 1.5% and boost it each attack is about as good as you can get while keeping the explosion mechanic.

[tidal sedge]

If I had to guess, GG has the scaling so it works similarly to mech accord scaling. Also maybe because they feared how high rolls at start of skill are more potent than middle/end?

[gray stone]

ah yeah, does drone explosion reset her scaling

[neat skiff]

Plus 300% atk_scale.

[tidal sedge]

Actually, when drones explode, do they still do a normal attack too

[gray stone]

because if it does then I guess that's why they did it like that

[tidal sedge]

No. She was bugged at release that it did work that way and she was way worse for it

[neat skiff]

It resets the crit chance. Not the damage ramp up.

It's why her S3 is so strong. With global range the drones never lose the 110% damage.

[gray stone]

Well then idk why they let her have that system instead of a straight 10% chance to crit

[neat skiff]

Because with bad RNG you will have missions with zero crits.

[gray stone]

This isn't a problem with other operators with a crit talent tho

[neat skiff]

It's the best of both worlds. She isn't constantly critting while making sure she does crit.

[neat skiff]

It absolutely can be.

Especially in higher end content.

[tidal sedge]

~~Alternatively, the bug was intended but the complaining about it made HG change it ~~

[gray stone]

well, the state of casters was just in the shitter back then

[neat skiff]

Ehh, not really.

[limpid siren]

[neat skiff]

GG was released a while after dossoles holiday which was the end of the "physical is the only damage worth using, all arts damage sucks".

[tidal sedge]

Its just a random tinfoil hat theory.

But her crit talent is weird since Viviana has no such thing

[gray stone]

Yeah DH is just a really high DEF event overall, but that doesn't change the fact that you use basically 2 casters back then

Eyja and Ifrit (sometimes)

Passenger got his buff which is great, but it isn't enough to knock Eyja down

[neat skiff]

Dude got like 3 buffs.

[limpid siren]

i feel like the "phys only" meta existed well beyond DH

[neat skiff]

No one can knock Eyja down.

[gray stone]

I blame the fact that her kit having nothing but damage

[neat skiff]

Not just damage, high amounts of AoE damage.

[gray stone]

They can't print anything really better than Eyja because she already occupies the big AoE big damage niche of the class

ST damage being Ceobe and GG

[neat skiff]

She still does AoE better than splash casters. She only really loses to Carnelian under very specific circumstances.

[gray stone]

So specific no one cares about Carnelian nowadays

I only see Lin

[neat skiff]

Before Lin Beeswax was more popular than Carnelian.

Carnelian self healing being on skill activation with her long ass charge times was a death sentence.

[tidal sedge]

Not helidrop and mostly reliant on Phalanx trait for tanking

[gray stone]

They were too conservative with kits back then

They tried too hard to make her not better than Eyja

[neat skiff]

Less conservative and more "all over the place".

[tidal sedge]

Curious what her 2nd mod will do

[gray stone]

Her current niche is being a bind bot

which is worse than Mostima

[latent halo]

We have mizuki for that

And Ethan

[gray stone]

All of them are worse than Mostima

[tidal sedge]

S2's stubby range is rough ye

[latent halo]

I don't think so

[gray stone]

Except Ethan, he has a good cycle

[neat skiff]

Chalter > Saileach > Nearl alter > Gnosis > Ling > GG > Fia > Spalter > Spalter with module > Ebenholz > Dorothy. All over the place.

[spark sinew]

ethan attacks too rarely so kinda shit if you need both bind and hit count which i can remember like 1 event that did that
and even then you could just use ethan s1

[gray stone]

WHAT? There are only 1 release between Chalter/NTRK/Ling?

[spark sinew]

before gnosis we had FT

[gray stone]

So the 2 new 6 stars between 2 limiteds is more recent than I thought

[spark sinew]

before ntrk it was Fart

[neat skiff]

Flametail is Nearl alter.

[spark sinew]

oh...

[gray stone]

We don't count the unlimited release on a limited banner

oh yeah Fart exist

I forgot

[spark sinew]

yeah my bad

[neat skiff]

Ok, yeah. Fartooth was between Saileach and Nearl alter.

[gray stone]

Carne and Pallas being girlfailures over there

[neat skiff]

Also, out of that list it is honestly fascinating to see who still gets used and who sits waiting for a reason to be used.

GG is by far the most used.

By a pretty wide margin.

[latent halo]

Mizuki s2 have better cycle

[neat skiff]

But Mizuki S2 is only 2/3 targets.

[tidal sedge]

3 targets is usually fine

[latent halo]

That's more than enough

[gray stone]

So this + Degenbrecher is our Year 4 line up

[tidal sedge]

2 targets was a bit annoying at times

[neat skiff]

I still find it amusing that Ethan is the only stalker worth a tier 3 module.

[latent halo]

U do u

[gray stone]

And Lessing under that

[neat skiff]

Lessing is welfare.

[gray stone]

He still counts

[latent halo]

Specialist module

[neat skiff]

Dorothy tier 1 module is pretty poggers.

[spark sinew]

[latent halo]

I'm borrowing max pot mod3

[spark sinew]

fake spec main

[tidal sedge]

Choked by module blocks?

[latent halo]

No

[tidal sedge]

Oh. I see

[latent halo]

Her pot

[neat skiff]

The tier 1 module blocks...

[latent halo]

Actually effects the module

[neat skiff]

Plenty of tier 2 and 3, to the point of skipping SSS.

[latent halo]

And Dorothy is mostly starter

I can just borrow , all good

[gray stone]

Dorothy mod0 die

[tidal sedge]

The module economy is really jank ye

[gray stone]

Dorothy start is cringe

[latent halo]

I will do her mod when I got her to p5

[gray stone]

I hate restarting when I see Symbiosis

[latent halo]

S2

Unless ur doing E1 start

Then u need a kroos

[gray stone]

Not really enough

[spark sinew]

you can't borrow e2, which sucks

[gray stone]

Fang + Kroos + Dorothy basically dies to Symb only

I don't know if the new F1 map in the expansion would change much

[latent halo]

Let me try this

[limpid siren]

this sounds like it should win tho

[latent halo]

Yea , 3s team have no issue on sym

[neat skiff]

Symb?

[latent halo]

Iosys

[gray stone]

Symbiosis

Dog pile map

It spawns dogs very fast

[latent halo]

I can see fang dies to mobs wave

[latent halo]

But Dorothy s2 can probly save her

[gray stone]

yeah I use S2

because small AoE

[neat skiff]

Is there a reason for Fang?

[gray stone]

6 hope start already

[neat skiff]

Ohh, IS.

[gray stone]

I think I'm just lacking pot4

for the extra ATK

[latent halo]

This is why I'm borrowing max pot

The talent that gives 1 more % is just

[neat skiff]

Which one is that?

[latent halo]

Dorothy talent 2

[neat skiff]

20/24%

[tidal sedge]

Basically mod4 in a way

[glass monolith]

What sort of copium you execute if 4% matter

[latent halo]

Module adds %

[glass monolith]

We not even in CC yet

[neat skiff]

Yes. Module takes her from +20/24% to +30/36% and then +40/48%

[latent halo]

It doubles

8% attack

That's a lot

[neat skiff]

No 1%

[latent halo]

I'm actually thinking something else

Not 1 more %

But whatever

[neat skiff]

Yes, each module adds 1% ramp up, but unless you can't get more than a single trap detonated...

[gray stone]

Dorothy really wants ATK

0.8s interval, and her skills has pretty big ATK scalings

[ocean jolt]

Ok so how is SN-7 possible?

[neat skiff]

Raised ops and little handy upgrades.

[ocean jolt]

How many upgrades for the roomba can I get before SN-7?

[neat skiff]

Lets see a screenshot of your highest level ops.

[weak gazelle]

sn-7 is the map boss first show up?

[neat skiff]

First 2 stages.

The second stage being the stun asshole.

[ocean jolt]

I couldnt beat it during the events first run

[glass monolith]

I think you should have 2 upgrades on roomba by SN-7 point and you can just go with bouncing robot to kill boss in front of blue box (1 tile wide place for roomba)

[ocean jolt]

And I still cant beat it

[gray stone]

What stun

I forgot what stun shenanigans

[ocean jolt]

Heres my best ops

[neat skiff]

The boss stuns every couple of attacks.

[ocean jolt]

Im working on upgrading some others

[weak gazelle]

i think there is a picture about boss buff type somewhere
that might be help you

[ocean jolt]

And no, throwing Surtr at it didnt work

I tried that already with a friends op

[weak gazelle]

and read boss mechanic too

[gray stone]

oh yeah phase 2
kinda ass to deal with when SN firwst run

[tidal sedge]

Boss needs 3 block to be blocked in phase 2

[neat skiff]

And ass to deal with now.

[tidal sedge]

and later phases but that's for later stages

[ocean jolt]

Not even surprised at this point tbh

[tidal sedge]

Boss description fails to mention that

[gray stone]

phase 2 is the hardest phase tbh

[ocean jolt]

It fails to get the entire experience across tbh

[glass monolith]

And this is reason why they skyrocket this shit block count https://fxtwitter.com/summonon/status/1729771273549381726?s=46&t=1sYP0FHjVbxR1GApLKFhXw

[ocean jolt]

And how much suffering and sanity loss comes with it

I cant even stall it because of the tiles it spawns on

[gray stone]

The solution is borrow something broken and don't farm SN-7

The boss is stunable
Guess who stuns a lot

[ocean jolt]

Im never playing that stage again

[ocean jolt]

Man idk I dont have any of the meta characters

[neat skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBAGIjnM8TM Borrow Blaze, replace Bagpipe and it should work with what you have. Along with 2 more deploy slots.

[ocean jolt]

Outside of Mudrock

[turbid badge]

yea i do dat

[ocean jolt]

Actually

Can Ebens shadow clone things spawn on those tiles?

[tidal sedge]

S2 mines cannot be placed on banned tiles

[ocean jolt]

Man

That wouldve been so funny if it couldve worked

Or maybe I can S3 since it counts as a boss

[neat skiff]

Blaze E2 has a talent that halves the duration of stun so can solo the boss on SN-7.

[gray stone]

I remember SN first run was me running full ranged comp

W S2 was pretty good

[weak gazelle]

ohh yeah boss stun a lot on that map
i just use classic method
defender+whisperain

[latent halo]

Hool

[gray stone]

Man she was clearly designed for Ch6

[weak gazelle]

the rest of the free slot used to hit boss

[ocean jolt]

Im gonna try again tomorrow

Ty guys

[gray stone]

Remember to borrow Sexas S3

Boss has shit HP lol

[ocean jolt]

I actually need to build Texas alter

I need to farm some of those chip stages

For a few operators

[neat skiff]

Same. Along with red certs for chip glue.

[turbid badge]

is Silalter s2 gains good

[neat skiff]

Skalter, yes.

[glass monolith]

(SN-7 with bouncing roomba and S1 Jaye)

[neat skiff]

I have no idea is Silalter is a typo or some other new alter with an equally obscure alter nickname.

[turbid badge]

silence alter..?

[glass monolith]

Loud?

[gray stone]

I feel like people just use whatever nicknames they want
People understand anyway

[latent halo]

Almost

Kek

[gray stone]

I just hate Chotgun and Gaxe in particular

[turbid badge]

what

those are pretty easy

Ntrk has some annoying ones

[gray stone]

ntrk is understandable, it's short compared to nearlter or nalter

I don't care about ntr jokes

[neat skiff]

Oh right, legit forgot she exists. The gains are... kind of "Better bang for your buck compared to S3" while also being "just keep her at SL7.

[gray stone]

For Chotgun, Gaxe and Skadance, they just sounds wrong

[turbid badge]

reedic, reedalter

whats the other one

[neat skiff]

There is just so much "everything has an extra condition or three"

[gray stone]

Krooster happened idk why

[glass monolith]

ReAl

[gray stone]

I thought people would go wtih kralter

[spark sinew]

i use "skadoo" a lot, but it's a bit shit at actually saying what operator it is

to someone who doesn't know

[gray stone]

I used to use Yalto, but everyone knows what I meant by Yato so I just use Yato now

[turbid badge]

Hibifier sounds nicer

[gray stone]

Kirito is annoying

[ocean jolt]

Niorthalos

[turbid badge]

nobody uses her tho badically

jester

ok this one sucks

just say jessalt

[ocean jolt]

Nope

Its jester now

[gray stone]

There's Jesswick

[neat skiff]

"The alter only used in IS"

[ocean jolt]

Jesserated

Nah thats too long

[gray stone]

Who?

[glass monolith]

Jesspoor

[gray stone]

I use her
She's pretty pog

[turbid badge]

what do ppl call lava alt? i just say purgatory

[neat skiff]

Jessica the liberated. The ranged tanks with low damage.

[ocean jolt]

Angery cat

Nah theres a ton of those

[turbid badge]

eyjaberrys pretty easy to understand

tbh

[neat skiff]

Yeah, I mostly see purgatory.

[turbid badge]

does greyy even have a nickname

[gray stone]

Greyy alt

that's about it

[turbid badge]

[neat skiff]

Eyjaberry is only easy to understand once you know Mulberry and Honeyberry exist.

[gray stone]

About to see Haroldnut

for some reason

[tidal sedge]

Haroldberry is funnier to say to me

[turbid badge]

haroldberry

[gray stone]

male, so no

[tidal sedge]

I'm honestly surprised we're getting another 5* wandering at all. I'm curious what he'll do. Mul/Honey kinda have the burst/consistent angles covered respectively.

[gray stone]

I'm waiting for a 4 star Trapper

Silvergun would love it

[neat skiff]

I'm guessing Eyjaberry S1, but not limited.

[turbid badge]

oh dang

santalla skin effects

i didnt realize it would have efects

[neat skiff]

Is anyone really surprised?

Typhon is arguably the most powerful op in the next 7 months.

[glass monolith]

I think have no idea who was on skin between Penance/Tsu and Ansel

[neat skiff]

Santalla sharing a banner with a great skin gives even more reasons for global to spend and pull.

Especially when you compare Typhon to Executor alter and Spuria.

Spuria only being a direct buff for like 2 sniper archetypes.

[vernal lion]

I might get addicted while watching this

[tropic valve]

funny we were just discussing Spuria in #is-station

Here's Schwarz hitting a 720 DEF enemy with S3
No buffs: 71433 damage
Warfarin: 83766 damage
Spuria: 94112 damage
Aak: 109959 damage

Spuria represents a 32% damage increase

(with average stun rng)

[vernal lion]

aspd is busted for heavyshooter

[tropic valve]

well the ASPD is equally good on almost everyone, but it is true that Schwarz with her 2 sec attack interval doesn't get penalized too much for the stun duration

her interval becomes 1.42 if not stun and 1.8 if stun

[gray stone]

I think the consensus is Exalter > Typhon but Typhon is more unique

[neat skiff]

spuria is great for ops with an attack interval longer than the stun.

[gray stone]

Also Typhon doesn't rerun

[neat skiff]

I want whatever you're smoking.

[gray stone]

She has good mob clear

S3 punches hard

[tropic valve]

my impression is Typhon > Exalter slightly

but I do have Sniper bias

[neat skiff]

Typhon S2 and S3 get used constantly in upcoming content. Executor alter gets used for showcases.

[crisp bolt]

exalter is actually pretty strong with mod

[spark sinew]

i wonder how much both sides of this argument downplay each other because "male vs LM7 op, lol"

[gray stone]

But I think Exalter, now with module is really good

[sly drift]

Isn't exalter is just your general laneholder. Typhoon in the other hand is broken boss killer

[neat skiff]

I love playing male knights. Typhon is a "don't skip, spend a reasonable sum if you have bad pulls".

[gray stone]

No he's used in low op H13-4 iirc

[neat skiff]

Low op.

[gray stone]

And many more low ops

[spark sinew]

i wouldn't call exalter "average" laneholder for sure

[plucky flint]

His burst is stronger than ur typical laneholder

[neat skiff]

Not everywhere.

[gray stone]

No

Exalter S3 punches hard

Real hard

[crisp bolt]

I mean a laneholder that has a high burst damage can be used in a lot of things

[spark sinew]

man has shitton of damage and is surprisingly very sturdy

[gray stone]

Typhon isn't broken for what I have seen

[sly drift]

My point is you can replace exalter but not for Thyphoon. Her s3 following target is so unique

[tropic valve]

Typhon laneholds with S2 as well

[neat skiff]

Typhon S2 is an incredible laneholder.

[plucky flint]

Ppl probably see typhon as "broken" cuz they saw her 1 cycle pat

[gray stone]

She has a better Thorns S3
Her S3 ignores some mechanics with the lock on

[sly drift]

Yea that s2 too

[gray stone]

Loops back to my og point

[gray stone]

^

[neat skiff]

Like, look at annihilations. content everyone does. Typhon has featured in all annihilations she has been released for. Executor alter cannot say the same.

[gray stone]

Infinite duration skill in annihilation

Crazy

[plucky flint]

Annihilation is a low bar

[gray stone]

Anni is just AFK playground

Since it's long

[spark sinew]

blaze>>>>gavialter confirmed

[neat skiff]

Almost like "low bar" is what 95% of the playerbase cares about.

[plucky flint]

Sure bro, idk where did u get that 95%

[crisp bolt]

I haven't actually seen typhon in any of the anni clears I've seen

[gray stone]

Recent Victoria anni