strategy

[vernal lion]

more like SN, NL, DH...

[jovial nest]

ah

[eager gate]

I'm pretty sure normal stages are supposed to be easy, to get us used to mechs and to let newbies do the good mat stages and see the story

[silent spear]

Wtf is the case investigation

[jovial nest]

DV's S maps are weird cause it's unlocked based on specific conditions like Ch8 puzzle conditions

[vernal lion]

it's just story stage

[jovial nest]

yeah but skippable

who wants to skip POs?

[vernal lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1092338403149873254/1171565568671883335/Untitled_Project.mp4?ex=655d2476&is=654aaf76&hm=901acb582b23dc4475d6ac97806e17e8877601247bf5728fe41a41c5772d0faa&

[grand ginkgo]

How about i use Amiya

[jovial nest]

read the enemy description

you can remove a ton of that DEF

[grand ginkgo]

oh i misunderstood which enemy you are talking about

[vernal lion]

or just use Kal'tsit s3

10k enemy hp is meh

[fiery marsh]

Probally having them in Ifrit range will do It too

[cyan gorge]

You can shred the tanks with poison damage

[jovial nest]

Thorns is perfect then

and BP

[deft badger]

what is this?

[eager gate]

they're pretty light

pullers in geneeral with their mod shred the def neatly

[turbid badge]

yea

[eager gate]

or hear me out

Nightmare s2

[vernal lion]

this stage is so chill to farm lol

[jovial nest]

ehhhh I have no stainless

[deft badger]

where do i get that special ops permit from?

[jovial nest]

wait no

those are event gimmicks too right?

i haven't seen those boxes before

[vernal lion]

keep doing daily mission

[cyan gorge]

The bots are event enemies

[grand ginkgo]

you probably killed them too fast

[jovial nest]

I have not played that before

[cyan gorge]

I think they get introduced in CW 6

[jovial nest]

I'm doing trust clears so my ops are not too ideal hehe

[turbid badge]

kek

[jovial nest]

2 Phalanxes

Blaze

[turbid badge]

im juet having fun so far

[turbid badge]

wtf same

[jovial nest]

Ines and Mumu are carrying

[eager gate]

should I level Hool to appease the chaos that gave me her or is it too copium

[jovial nest]

although the 2 Phalanxes are raised

[outer sail]

I'm guessing that when you clone someone like Skadi with Mumu it doesn't take AH talent buffs into account?

[turbid badge]

why u bruhg 2 phalanax

isnt that redundant

just Lin

[turbid badge]

umm

it does

[eager gate]

I dont think it takes talents lul

it'd be mega op

[turbid badge]

Squad buffs without needing to be deployed works

Ex, hoshiguma doesnt works

but nian does

So my penut clone will have more Hp

let me try borrowing a maxed Mumu to show

[outer sail]

Hmmm, so the raw hp from mod Y Skadi and Spalter would apply? Not that it's a great option, just curious about how it works

[turbid badge]

yup

it works yea

Buttt

honestly

ranged clone > melee

[deft badger]

🥲 😭

[jovial nest]

yeah just keep copying high ASPD good ranged ops

so clone keeps making bodies

[outer sail]

Well yeah, generally sure, but if you're limited on ranged tiles or want to stun lock something...

[turbid badge]

Mod x spalter (So no 30%HP buff) lvl 2 skadi

[jovial nest]

ranged clone can drop ranged copies onto ground

[turbid badge]

Yea

The more hits -> more clone

is it 15 hits for a clone?

[jovial nest]

so it can be a perpetual constant replenishing of blockers

if the enemy can't kill them fast enough

[turbid badge]

lol thats one strong summon

[deft badger]

the hell is that

[jovial nest]

there are merits to a ground mumu clone though

[grand ginkgo]

Eunectes

[jovial nest]

Mumu S3 ground clone acts like Eun S2

[deft badger]

https://tenor.com/view/dinofaurio-dinosaur-gif-18747180

looks like this

[grand ginkgo]

you mean the dog?

[turbid badge]

wrong!!

[deft badger]

yeah

[grand ginkgo]

who

[turbid badge]

skadi

[grand ginkgo]

o

[vernal lion]

that clone is just better thousand times than Vigil's wolfpack kekw

[grand ginkgo]

right eunectes has higher def id imagine

[turbid badge]

this is eunectus clone

[outer sail]

Dorothy is generally best ranged clone right?

[turbid badge]

not maxed buffed skadi clone

[turbid badge]

Yup

caper is also good

[vernal lion]

lol caper

[outer sail]

What's best for ground? Penance or Mudrock?

[jovial nest]

yeah 6 months from now haha

whatever's a higher stat stick in your case

[turbid badge]

Penance has more stats no?

well the one with more atk

or the one thats higher level

[outer sail]

Penance has more hp and atk, less def.

[vernal lion]

imagine finding perfect tiles for Skalter, Mumu and her clone army

[jovial nest]

Mumu has her utility but not enough for me to need Skalter-ing her

[verbal sparrow]

how is mumu compared to saga

[jovial nest]

you don't

they're incomparable

subclasses are too different

[verbal sparrow]

are there cases where you would bring mumu over saga

[jovial nest]

Saga's S2 is the better zerg rush killer

Also Saga S2 can print faster

outside of those, Mumu

[verbal sparrow]

I never actually use Saga S2. Well I did use it but became too lazy so just default to S3 instead

[tropic valve]

I prefer S2

[gentle finch]

clones

[tropic valve]

because it allows her to help multiple lanes

[jovial nest]

Saga S3 is so rarely used...

[tropic valve]

but Saga S3 definitely has value

[jovial nest]

you use it for tankier early waves

[gentle finch]

I forgot saga existed

[jovial nest]

but by that point

its better you use someone else

like Bagpipe S3 or an early guard DPS

[gentle finch]

bagpipe S3 is perfect for that

[verbal sparrow]

I often think of Saga as a weaker 2-block lane holder than mountain but with one-time revive and DP generation.

[jovial nest]

except one of them prints DP

and the other is a perma-sustain laner that has low DEF

[gentle finch]

I often think of Saga as a

[jovial nest]

its unfair to compare such different values

[gentle finch]

actually I don't think of Saga often

nvm

[jovial nest]

SSS still makes me use her

[verbal sparrow]

Myrtle regen is actually often enough for Saga until I can plop down healers

[gentle finch]

She would be nice filler in SSS

I haven't touched that game mode in months tho

[tropic valve]

I use her in SSS all the time

because her name starts with S

[tardy comet]

new event is pretty fun so far, it's not just about brute forcing with high tier ops

[gentle finch]

:tf:

[jovial nest]

either way Silencer and Mumu have really nice utility for me.
I might not use Mumu's ranged clones but her S3 melee 15 duration stun is nice to have. Finally I can stop considering Eunectes' 1-block slow-af SP gen for S2
Silencer also has Shelter and her S3 can be used to make anyone immortal for 7 seconds (once per skill, twice per battle)

[gentle finch]

although I cleared LN already I probably forgot everything

[jovial nest]

every event is like that though.

[gentle finch]

time to revive fr, I need to replenish my mats

I have been playing on and off

[jovial nest]

its just easier for others to brute force the gimmicks away

[gentle finch]

Mumu would be nice to have

banking on that one pity chance I have

[jovial nest]

the only time i consider a RECENT event was pure stat sticking

is

Reedter's event

[tropic valve]

but I feel like in Il Siracusano for example, it was more common for newer players to get stat-checked by the Cleaners

[gentle finch]

yea

[tropic valve]

like they could utilize the mechanics to delay the Cleaner but sooner or later they had to fight it

[gentle finch]

for the harder stages they had to rely on borrows

[jovial nest]

thats normal for new players

[gentle finch]

or weird frdp stall strats

[gentle finch]

I'm still saying it

[jovial nest]

its hilarious that in a single event, there's 2 ops that have endgame stall strat utility

well at least for stunnable dangerous bosses

immortality for Silencer, permastun during skill for Mumu

[gentle finch]

how hilarious though

[jovial nest]

coincidentally hilarious

[gentle finch]

\🤯

[jovial nest]

Silencer S3 is mostly gonna be used like old-school skill-reliant ops

retreated then redep'd

cause that S3 duration is too high

the cost is fine.

[verbal sparrow]

stunnable boss

[jovial nest]

7 seconds of immortality but the skill duration is 60 seconds

[verbal sparrow]

time for ash

[jovial nest]

for SL7, it's 60 sec + 42 sec

you're better off retreating her for 2nd immortality proc cause SL7 initial -> needed SP is just 22 SP

[vernal lion]

every event is just like that, until they released S stages

[jovial nest]

well, its more like (latter) EX CM and S stages force you to oblige on the gimmick or enemy knowledge

rather than brainlessly meta brute force everything

[verbal sparrow]

my memories might be failing me, but somehow I felt like SN-10 was more interesting than its EX stages

[jovial nest]

the only reason your memory is failing you is because SN-10 was a farming stage so its more memorable or the auto has lodged itself in your head

[verbal sparrow]

maybe it was because it trended on twitter and eveyone loved talking about it

[jovial nest]

I still remember that boss in EX because you have to actually balance which buff it will eat

while it was so weak af in SN-10

that it won't matter

[verbal sparrow]

interesting because I felt like the learning step was during SN-10 while for the rest I just spammed Ash + warfarin

[vernal lion]

I like how they complain about 12-20 but not SN-10

[glass monolith]

All i remember is boss has need 2 block to fuck with me

[glass monolith]

Because i can't just press Gnosis S3 and call it a day

[jovial nest]

cause they can use Flagpipes in SN-10 and spam nukers

whoever hated ch12 gimmick wanted their new event/story experience to be as brainless as possible

[glass monolith]

I don't care for gimmick much, but those obnoxius 3+ lane maps with civilian rushes....

(And F each single one armored spy in that chapter, enemy so cringe and OP it don't even appear in H12)

[verbal sparrow]

I assume the people who complained about 12-20 didn't get to h12-4

[glass monolith]

You don't need H12 to complain about chapter 13 in half year

[tropic valve]

opening of H12-3 be like

[jovial nest]

they did though? Which enemy types didn't appear in H maps?

oh wait

now i remember

whatever enemies those were already appeared in Adverse

[verbal sparrow]

opening of H12-3 made me try catching them all when I realized they had no spies

[jovial nest]

yeah that was rough

[jovial nest]

its more like you want to catch a lot of them so you don't get fucked by low DP cap

[glass monolith]

I caught all civilians in h12-3 just for memes

[verbal sparrow]

just enough to plop down chalter

[jovial nest]

against that army of BFS sarkaz and Dama

[tropic valve]

Armed Spymasters, the tanky bois with 1800 DEF, only appear in H12-2

but since H12-2 didn't have the Damazti Cluster, their appearance there is somewhat forgettable

[glass monolith]

At end which has no boss so who cares

[tropic valve]

exactly

[glass monolith]

Like literally last 2 enemies on map

[glossy drum]

What are good ranged units that synergize with Muelsys aside from Dorothy?

[tropic valve]

Fartooth

[jovial nest]

the only reason H12-4 ever felt rough was because its the only Damazti map with those ball drones

[verbal sparrow]

man I still haven't built dorothy

[vernal lion]

fun fact, you will never clear h13-4 in less than 10 minutes

[verbal sparrow]

harder than h12-4?

[glass monolith]

Challenge accepted

[tropic valve]

is there a giant timegate or something

[jovial nest]

i mean the boss in ch13 is the same as the mobs you fought before that he "created"

only weak to true damage

except in ch13

there's no artillery

[verbal sparrow]

does dorothy have the highest ranged DPS or sth?

[jovial nest]

no

she's picked because of her range and stats

[jovial nest]

as to how she beats other marksmen....I'm guessing....that her stats is less brittle?

[glossy drum]

I don't wanna open it to spoil myself

[tropic valve]

Marksmen usually have low ATK and use skills to raise it, but Muelsyse won't have access to those skills

[verbal sparrow]

that's a lot of basic dps

[glossy drum]

how about any caster

[turbid badge]

???

use bard

[glossy drum]

bard on mumu? wtf

[tropic valve]

so true

[turbid badge]

casters kinda meh

Only seen mystic caster use and it still sucks

chain/blast basically useless meh

core is just iffy

[glossy drum]

I guess Heavy Shooter has less range and aspd so they aren't preferred as well?

[glossy drum]

How about using ifrit or it wont work

[turbid badge]

did u read wat i said

above

[vernal lion]

seems like I haven't checked his video hmm

[limpid siren]

cloning ifrit gives you a st clone

it doesn't copy the aoe trait

[turbid badge]

exactly

[verbal sparrow]

ifrit basic DPS is a whopping 432 compared to Ebenholz's 1039
ebenholz sweep

[jovial nest]

what you want for Mumu ranged clone is good HP and defenses and high ASPD

and good range

you're not aiming to kill with clones

you're aiming to spam constant blockers

[glossy drum]

yeah I just read chain and forgot blast mb

[tropic valve]

wait Ebenholz DPS is that high?

off skill?

[jovial nest]

he's a mystic

its kinda shit if he can't charge

[tropic valve]

I would have thought their low ASPD would hurt their DPS

[outer sail]

His dps is bad, but his potential burst is insane.

[jovial nest]

you don't think DPS (damage per second) for roles that were meant to be "charge stocks"

[glossy drum]

oh so that's why heavy shooters don't work

Lastly, how about krooster? she has a bit less atk and aspd than dorothy but can she work?

Coz I don't seem to have a single op to pair with mumu which makes me feel like I should probably just skip

[turbid badge]

sure

[tropic valve]

Heavyshooters have good stats but yeah you want the mumu clones to have range otherwise the S3 overlap won't work well

[jovial nest]

just pick anyone that hits the marks on what i said

great range, decent HP and DEF, high ASPD

[turbid lagoon]

good ops to break the angry rocks in event boss with?

[verbal sparrow]

dorothy, fartooth, ebenholz are the names I have seen recommended

[vernal lion]

do clones even copy talent or not

[verbal sparrow]

no

[tidal sedge]

Isn't that calculating Dorothy talent atk buff though

[jovial nest]

clones only copy atk intervals, ASPD, and stats, and block

[tidal sedge]

Clones can't copy that

[jovial nest]

thats it iirc

[vernal lion]

then it sucks

[jovial nest]

they're stat sticks

[turbid badge]

blud forgot damage type

[jovial nest]

oh yeah

[turbid badge]

[jovial nest]

but ffs

you don't bother with arts

[verbal sparrow]

yeah you're right, and won't get buffs for eyja / exu either

[glossy drum]

imagine using an arts damage dealer without res ignore at this point, can't be me

[turbid badge]

eyja u could no?

[jovial nest]

you're not picking Mumu to make an army of casters. She can kill, sure. But if you want Mumu to kill elite enemies, you're making her make ground clones

[turbid badge]

with mod lvl 2

cause it increases base stats while shes still in the squad

[tidal sedge]

If it's squad buff it should work ye

[turbid badge]

but who uses eyja for doro clone

[jovial nest]

just...don't bother "strengthening" the clones

[turbid badge]

[jovial nest]

she's already carrying hard by having so much stall/tankiness for a VG role

[tidal sedge]

If you want arts with marksman range there's incantation medics ig

[jovial nest]

what even happens if her clones copy medics?

[glossy drum]

Is there some website or sheet where I can check exact aspd of operators

[jovial nest]

what attack do they do?

[tidal sedge]

Arts damage

[turbid badge]

whats their Aspd

[outer sail]

If you wanna do arts damage, Reedic is best choice right?

[jovial nest]

iirc....Kal has decent stats for survival

[tidal sedge]

Incantation medics have 1.6 second interval

[turbid badge]

isnt St medic like 2.5

interval

[tidal sedge]

Other medics have 2.85

[turbid badge]

jessus

[vernal lion]

damn you want a medic clone?

[jovial nest]

Reedter has better ASPD based on the "text"

Kal's "slow"

Reedter's "slightly slow"

[jovial nest]

some want their ranged clones to do arts sigh....

[quick pecan]

incantation medics have the same interval as core casters

1.6s

[waxen swan]

The faster version of slow

[tropic valve]

can you copy instructor guards with ranged clones?

[jovial nest]

You've lost the point. Instructors have poor range

[turbid badge]

bards where decent for that cuz the range

[verbal sparrow]

oh viktorlab does include calculations for mumu
628 / 774 / 521 / 485 as DPS for exu / dorothy / ebenholz / fartooth respectively

[turbid badge]

but i doubt people would use skalter clone lmfao

[jovial nest]

you want as much range as you can so they can attack immediately

cause attack fuels cloning more clones

[tropic valve]

I just wanna be spicy lmao

[turbid badge]

only heard shu use it

be better and use thrm x

clone

[jovial nest]

anyways Kal is tankier with better range but her aspd is poorer than Reed's

the only reason i thought of Kal anyways is because its one of the better options for Mumu ranged clones to do arts

[limpid siren]

probably not, they're melee units that happen to be deployable on ranged tiles

[jovial nest]

cause caster stats are brittle af

[tidal sedge]

Instructor/Lord/Puller might be funny for playing debuff support

[turbid badge]

use hexer

[jovial nest]

btw if you're planning to use Reedter instead of Kal

you're better off using Ceo or Eyja to clone

Gnosis is also a good one

[vernal lion]

you only mind to use Mumu because of her niche

[jovial nest]

and here i am only planning to use Mumu for her S3 stun duration

thats it

[turbid badge]

use phalanax caster

[jovial nest]

i don't need her clone spamming

[turbid badge]

actually their intevral is worse

[jovial nest]

too slow aspd

[turbid badge]

i think 2S

2 seconds

[tidal sedge]

Yes. Phalanxes have 2 sec base interval

[fiery plume]

Out of curiosity, since youve listed some good ranged options, what are some good melee ones?

[jovial nest]

Mudrock or Penance. Base it off of which one has better stats in your account

Mumu's S2 or S3 works well for either

[fiery plume]

Penance it is, thank you kindly!

[jovial nest]

based on mine, Penance has better stats than Mudrock except for DEF

[fiery plume]

And looks like if Im missing dorothy im gonna want to look into building Exu finally

[river atlas]

AH maybe...

[tropic valve]

copy a Tactician Vanguard

[turbid badge]

lmao

[vernal lion]

copy a Dollkeeper Specialist

[turbid badge]

skadi bffed spalter

idk if adreannas work

[jovial nest]

would those even work?

[turbid badge]

havent tried

i know glaadia cant work

[jovial nest]

wouldn't the only ones that work is the stats they get once they get deployed?

[turbid badge]

hm?

[river atlas]

AH stats apply while undeployed

[jovial nest]

either way i don't recommend the AH

hmmm

[turbid badge]

ah stats are there undeplopled

Only glaadia doesnt take effect

idk if specter is same

[river atlas]

^lv1 mumu

[jovial nest]

ok i checked

unless you want Skadi's insane ATK

don't bother

[turbid badge]

i honestly dislike

[jovial nest]

the low block also makes Mumu's S3 less valuable

[turbid badge]

yea 1 block

[jovial nest]

and this event has a mob that lessens/removes block count

[river atlas]

personally I'm having fun copying ifrit

[jovial nest]

If there's a good ifrit lane, indeed

wait no

its not true AoE

wth am i thinking

[river atlas]

do u mean aoe

[jovial nest]

yes

[river atlas]

yeah I just like being able to lob arts dmg projectiles 6 tiles over

[vernal lion]

and we have Chongyue v2

[jovial nest]

then use Deadeyes

except they're physical

[river atlas]

deadeyes don't do arts

[jovial nest]

I personally recommend you try Kal. Might not have the damage

but that range and tankiness

might make up for less arts damage

[turbid badge]

just use kal

[river atlas]

ifrit has the same max hp as kal tho

[turbid badge]

[jovial nest]

....you sure

[river atlas]

oh right trust stats

[cursive mango]

guys do I save my ore and not pull on this banner?

[deft badger]

did someone e2 mumu already?

wanna try her out

[jovial nest]

used 2nd mod lvl3 so her HP goes even higher

[river atlas]

i forgot kal has max hp trust

[river atlas]

ur gonna have to decide whether or not u want mumu yourself

[cosmic thicket]

how much is kirsten's arts burst

[cursive mango]

probs a not then, going to save for eya2

[turbid badge]

angelina ip

[river atlas]

I just realized hoshi s2 works on mumu

hmmm

[vernal lion]

yo just try the clone with crusher op

[turbid badge]

wtf

dalao

[river atlas]

ugh def when blocking module doesn't work, I don't wanna level +1 block module

[outer sail]

Just use Penance ;P

[river atlas]

wait her trait doesn't matter I only need it to be lv1

[turbid badge]

huh

oh the block mo

mod

yea

[river atlas]

penance clone can't hit 1163 def and 4 block

basically an 18 cost cuora

[jovial nest]

wait

Hoshi's mod1 applies?

[river atlas]

stats from modules work yes

[jovial nest]

well you're just deploying a worse Hoshi then

can't dodge

unless you want 2 Hoshi stats

in one map

[river atlas]

it's a very cheap hoshi

[jovial nest]

I've never once thought i needed Hoshi to drop that fast

[river atlas]

ch12 when ur max DP is 20

[jovial nest]

[river atlas]

mob rush at the start of H12-4 when they ram into hoshi clone

[jovial nest]

I'm guessing for the ball drones?

[river atlas]

or ball drones yeah

[jovial nest]

cause if not ball drone, you could just Noir it, unless slots are tight

[river atlas]

anyway, 8 block is funny

[frosty heath]

Is there a way to get the ball in cw-9 to move to the right side?

[outer sail]

It would just figure that the luckiest pull I've ever had would be on the banner that I'm only pulling on to spark Spalter >_<

[river atlas]

which

[outer sail]

Hmmm... Mumu may actually be the first VG worth spending hope on in IS3?

[deft badger]

i don't even remember how the map looks like anymore 😄

[cyan gorge]

Nah Ines was first

she's too good

[tropic valve]

Myrtle, Cantabile, Elysium all say hi

[outer sail]

Oh right, yeah, I forget Ines is also great in IS3 haha

[tropic valve]

long before Ines

[outer sail]

I meant 6 star, sorry.

[tropic valve]

oh

then yeah

I have used Saileach S3 to stun air but it's kinda jank

don't recommend

[outer sail]

Myrtle is always great, and Cant is an oddity in being on of like... 2 five stars worth using in IS 😛

[jovial nest]

I don't say hi to Ely in IS3

there's better candidates

[tropic valve]

wait really

[jovial nest]

unless you want sniperknights

[tropic valve]

well I do want that

I just feel like Ely S2 is so nice

[jovial nest]

having only 3 snipers don't count

[tropic valve]

I almost never take Myrtle first

unless I'm at exactly 3 Hope and I'm desperate for DP

[deft badger]

did try to move it but it didn't why do u wanna move it anyway?
btw prob it didn't move since i did push it in to that stupid big guy and nothing happend the ball just bounced back 😄

[jovial nest]

you take myrtle when squad is too heavy or has Ling

[outer sail]

I almost never take Myrtle even. Usually just grab Fang and call it good 'nuff.

[tropic valve]

for example in Seacavern Sandstorm, one of the easiest ways to deal with bullies is to tag them with Elysium S2, and kill them with a Heavyshooter while they're slowed

that way there's no need to block them

I guess Fang is enough for early stages

but for Ishar'mla or Gravestone I think it's important to have a real VG or two

[outer sail]

Fang is enough for the whole run. I've never struggled with Fang as my only VG in IS3.

I usually save hope for other ops. Only spend on VGs once I feel good about the rest of the team

Wow, they went all out for this event cutscene didn't they...

Do other sources of DR like Stainless turrets and Quercus stack with Gladiia mod and each other?

[cyan gorge]

They should, but sanctuary specifically doesn't stack
so Quercus + another abjurer doesn't work

[outer sail]

That's kind of why I was asking 😛 I know some things stack and some things don't, and it's not super consistent always.

[turbid badge]

dr stacks yes

[cyan gorge]

Assume things stack unless specified otherwise

[turbid badge]

ask minus for how well it works dr shenanigans

[outer sail]

Oh I already have goofed around with some shenanigans on DR 😛 Like Quercus + Skadi + double Stain turrets letting Skadi tank phase 1 H7-4 Patriot like he's nothing haha. Pretty funny

[turbid badge]

quick question

is elemental damage clones exist? now

wait

nvm its talent

[lunar hornet]

does kal want her second module or is her first bis?

[tropic valve]

first is more utility which is fantastic for IS3, second is more damage which is good in general

I'm poor so I'm sticking with first, but most people are going for second

[timber urchin]

Which masteries for Mumu?

[rose patrol]

Wow her module helped her a lot.

[deft badger]

why don't they add in every event shop couple chip catalysts, have been wasting sanity like crazy on them

[outer sail]

S3 > S2

[river atlas]

Looking at the wrong shop

[deft badger]

what do u mean?

[outer sail]

I can't remember the last time I bought chip catalysts... Module Data Blocks are what eat up all my red certs 😛

[river atlas]

Theyre not in the event shop because theyre selling them for 💵

[deft badger]

ain't going to pay for them dude

[tidal sedge]

Most big events usually have a chip catalyst or two

[river atlas]

Then fork over the sanity for red certs

[deft badger]

i used this week 12 of them

now i need 4 more

the amount of sanity did waste on that is insane

[tidal sedge]

I guess this one doesn't. Strange.

[deft badger]

nah there are non

did look 3 times xD

[tidal sedge]

Should've farmed them during ch 12 crates ig

[deft badger]

did

still its a lot 😄

which of those 2 is again the mod that boost the group buff?

skadi

[tidal sedge]

sword bag is ah

get her moist

[thorny summit]

Tips for this level + my team

[tidal sedge]

throw specalt in front as far as possible with healing to bait chain casters and cannon as much as possible

then try to kill the cars early somehow Idk what strat you will want to use but pass might be able to deal with a full corner of them, just time his skill rigt before he kills the one in his range

[thorny summit]

alrighr should I try to use some1 like horn for the cars ?

[tidal sedge]

horn would be great ye

[deft badger]

ty, needs trust forgot abou that 😄

[tidal sedge]

oh right, pass skill would reach them even if he faces backwards

[kind tartan]

Any advice for her paradox? I lack one bomb

[mighty folio]

here are my current available units, im really struggling on PR-D-2 (2nd stage of the guard and specialist chip level) i want to beat it asap so i can e2 my mlynar, if anyone here is able to could someone help me put together a team/strategy i could beat the stage with?

[tidal sedge]

what lv is shaw skill @mighty folio

[tidal sedge]

I dont actually remember doing that one that well, but do you have masteries?

ill go get my dorothy

[kind tartan]

Unfortunately I don't have

[mighty folio]

sorry i didnt see this, lvl 4

[outer sail]

I'm stuck in story mode, but I can try to puzzle out her Paradox in a second.

[deft badger]

good that we have a big event right now lvl that thorns and mlynar

[outer sail]

Though mine is pretty insanely invested, if that changes Paradox... Dunno if their stats are fixed or what.

[tidal sedge]

the masteries for trap masters are mostly for the sp cost for the traps, hence more traps

[mighty folio]

i cant lvl them without beating PR-D-2 tho, i heard theyre both only good at e2

[deft badger]

start with thorns i guess he will of a better use early

[mighty folio]

could e1 thorns be useful for this stage?

[deft badger]

give me a sec i don't remember what the map looks like

[mighty folio]

ill send a pic

@deft badger

[deft badger]

e1 thorns first

thorns can hold right side, left side sniper tank can hold that, middle figure something out main problem will be dp

[tidal sedge]

on right just do somthing with lap

[mighty folio]

ok

i could do fang plus lap maybe?

or i could upgrade beagle

but i might run into dp issues

[deft badger]

start fang left side

she can kill the wolfs

[mighty folio]

sorry but what does this say

[outer sail]

blocker

[mighty folio]

ohhh

[outer sail]

Took me a minute to figure it out too, don't worry ;P

[mighty folio]

lol

should i upgrade beagle?

[tidal sedge]

my b is quite artistic I know

[mighty folio]

my vanguards might be too squishy

[mighty folio]

nono ur good 😭

[tidal sedge]

beagle is trash

[mighty folio]

what unit should go on the hill tile top right

o

is bubble ok

[deft badger]

start fang left side see if she can kill the wolfs or is she going to leak

[mighty folio]

ok

ill have to e1 thorns first

[deft badger]

add kroos next to her after that

[tidal sedge]

4* cuora is better than bubble
3* spot- cardigan- beagle

[kind tartan]

Gonna s3m3 her then thanks

[deft badger]

next inc is the right side don't know if lapp can take that fight 😄

[mighty folio]

but dont i need ptilo there

the right side is my issue

i lose immediately to the right side

lol

my fang got like 1 shot

[deft badger]

the hardest hitting are on the right side

[mighty folio]

well

ill get e1 thorns first

and then try it

and see what revisions i might need

[deft badger]

would borrow a vanguard, s2 bag

[mighty folio]

oh ok

[tidal sedge]

ill still help if you still want to keep trying, most people have higher level units when they do this stage though. Also if you do IS you can get the chips without doing that mission

[deft badger]

get that thorns on to e1 it takes u couple min

[mighty folio]

o wait whats IS

[deft badger]

he will be able to hold right borrow bag for left side

[mighty folio]

also i really appreciate the advice from u and @deft badger tysm guys

[deft badger]

middle just try something out they ain't hard

[mighty folio]

yeah im doing that rn

[tidal sedge]

integrated strategies is what it is called

[mighty folio]

if this is easier than PR-D-2 ill j do this

[deft badger]

bro do the event f- IS now 😄

[mighty folio]

idek what the event is ngl 😭

[deft badger]

clear that shop

did suspect that since new people tend to skip on the shop or don't clear it lol

[tidal sedge]

easier idk
but youll end up doing it anyway, and can just use a support unit. It also doesnt cost sanity. and you can just do the supply mission later

[mighty folio]

im down to try IS

[deft badger]

press that button and u are in 🙂

[mighty folio]

ohh

ok

[deft badger]

like i am telling u, don't waste ur time on IS now

[tidal sedge]

that is not IS

[deft badger]

figuring out IS early in the game and with that ops right now is not the smartest thing to do

[mighty folio]

will the event make me stronger for IS?

[deft badger]

read

[tidal sedge]

use your sanity on lone trail, but do IS after for chips

[deft badger]

not the smartest thing to do

[tidal sedge]

the event shop is definitely the best way to get lmd and exp for levels yes

[deft badger]

IS high value but some conditions have to be met

[mighty folio]

oh ok ill do that

[tidal sedge]

no conditions need to be met

[deft badger]

events are ur main prio, big event atm u could e1lvl60 a full squad in like 2 hours so get that thorns on e1 since u plan on e2 that anyway

[mighty folio]

besides mlynar and thorns, what characters do u think are worth me upgrading?

[deft badger]

do that thing but keep clearing that shop

and clear the shop

[deft badger]

that's the best thing u can do, when u have couple ops get in to IS

since it doesn't cost sanity and has a lot of rewards

[tidal sedge]

cutter, pinecone, lap, ptilo, and cuora when you get her

[deft badger]

but again would say do it when u know ur ops just to lower the mental dmg xD

[mighty folio]

ok, after i finish the event ill max out all these ppl

can u get cuora from recruit?

[tropic valve]

do it

best game mode fr

[tidal sedge]

level up yato to 30rn btw

[mighty folio]

oh ok

im in an auto battle rn but i will in a sec

[deft badger]

⬆️

give them all couple lvls more

[mighty folio]

the 2 stars?

[deft badger]

will be able to e2 thorns anyway

[tidal sedge]

yato is for base, the others dont matter that much

[mighty folio]

ok yato is lvl 30

[tidal sedge]

she is in recruit but there is no garunteed tags so dont expect to get her from it

just use spot until you get her anyway. He is great for a 3*

[crisp bolt]

get noir to 30 as well

[mighty folio]

oh ok

[mighty folio]

ok got it

is this a decent amount of resources

is this + the event enough to get my characters stronger for IS

[tidal sedge]

the event shop has 600k lmd and enough exp to get someone to e1 lv 80

[mighty folio]

o wow

[tidal sedge]

you just need sanity to get the currency

[mighty folio]

i have tons of sanity packs

[deft badger]

that's nothing, which lvl are u right now?

[mighty folio]

o

uhh

ill check in a min

[deft badger]

anyway best things u can do, early in the game event's since u don't have to plan u just take what they offer u
when there isn't a even plan what u are going to upgrade next and what u are going to need farm in advance don't waste sanity on s-

when u don't have sanity get in to IS and have some ops to work with

e2 thorns actually will be a walk in the park to do IS

[mighty folio]

o

[crisp bolt]

rat gaming

[deft badger]

people will shit on me right now

[mighty folio]

but i cant get e2 thorns without is

[deft badger]

lol

[mighty folio]

lvl 16

[deft badger]

but i don't care did run 200 lvls of IS in 3 days xD

thorns ...

[mighty folio]

oh my thorns is lvl 1

e0

[tidal sedge]

Just use all the sanity you have in your possession on the event. Buy lmd and exp from event. Then do IS Afterword's just continue spending it on the event whenever you have more sanity.

The event is just where your sanity needs to go, dont think too much

[mighty folio]

ok

idk how to allocate my lmd and exp efficiently tho

[deft badger]

give some of the ops higher lvls like kroos which u are going to use later in the game
u can even now early use some if u have a plan in mind
again people will shit on me but if u plan on focusing on future events which u should, then its ok to use now to be able to do more in future when it comes to events

we have a big event now and there will be couple weeks of events so i personally would do it its up to u

to get sanity

u are low lvl so u will lvlup couple times as well

[tidal sedge]

just level your dps ops somewhat evenly, and support ops a little lower. Doesnt matter that much as long as you dont blow it all on one op

[mighty folio]

is e1 lvl 50 a good range for all of my dps?

[tidal sedge]

when you need first e2, do cutter before mlynar

[mighty folio]

oh

[tidal sedge]

just level with the resources you get

[mighty folio]

i should e2 cutter before thorns and mlynar?

[deft badger]

do thorns first

[mighty folio]

i thought mlynar and thorns were op

[deft badger]

mlynar is op

but general use thorns will help u out more early

[tidal sedge]

because she is more than twice as cheap, and can still carry, and you will be able to borrow a support op that is e2 much earlier

[mighty folio]

ohh

that makes sense

i forgot that ill be able to use e2 supports once i get an e2

[deft badger]

if u plan on going in to IS i would do thorns e2 as well, as far i care when it comes to IS everything can be e1 thorns still can carry it with his S3

[mighty folio]

does cutter > thorns > mlynar sound good?

[tidal sedge]

whatever you want you have the reasons, so its just your preference

[mighty folio]

i like the sound of cutter, assuming they can still carry

[deft badger]

honestly cutter is more brain then thorns xD thorns is stack press skill watch him do

[full finch]

E2 thorns first

[lapis scarab]

So uh

[deft badger]

cutter placement, spam spam spam

[lapis scarab]

How should I approach Rest Avenue?

[full finch]

do you have horn

[lapis scarab]

No

[full finch]

[lapis scarab]

I don't use tanks

[tidal sedge]

connect everyone to beam, and murder the violins

[lapis scarab]

I have 0 tanks

except Vulcan

Vulcan is my only E2 tank

[full finch]

horn
tank

[lapis scarab]

Defender*

[outer sail]

You actually very rarely need defenders...

[lapis scarab]

Horns a defender right?

Yeah , no defenders except vulcan

[outer sail]

Guards usually do the job just fine. Horn is more of a ranged dps than an actual defender, but she's technically one.

[lapis scarab]

Does that beam do anything?

[lapis scarab]

It's been irking me , I'm thinking of just ditching the beam

[full finch]

anything not in the beam has -0.5 SP/s

[lapis scarab]

wait, wot

[full finch]

units with auto recovery gain SP half as fast

and most enemies deal more damage to units not in the beam

[lapis scarab]

So I have to scrunch everyone up into some weird space so the beam passes through everyone

[full finch]

be careful with violins

[soft crystal]

Just use perma skills and off recivery

[full finch]

because their attacks travel through the beam

[lapis scarab]

Thorns my beloved

[full finch]

also

[lapis scarab]

Lumen my beloved

[soft crystal]

Ignore the mechanic

[full finch]

saxaphone attacks are blocked by the beam

yeah I just ignored it except for saxaphone blocking

[lapis scarab]

Skalter strats

[edgy hound]

Are the new event's mirrorguard "huge base def, lose some when taking hits" a thing that DoTs strip faster?

[foggy grove]

ye

ethan s1 is kinda gud on this event

[solid dew]

fast aspd ops unite

[little ravine]

they have like 3300 def, 60 res but lose 50 def and 2 res per attack

[outer sail]

Is there a cap on how much def they can lose? May just throw Exu at them haha ;P

[edgy hound]

Yeah fast ASPD seems like the obvious solution. Was curious if ethan/thorns got a bonus though.

honestly, just tanking them for a bit works too.

66 hits to def 0. 30 hits to res 0. For the normal ones anyway.

[turbid badge]

i let phalanax tank

for my medics

[lapis scarab]

Why defend when you can kill the enemy before they can damage you

[outer sail]

I bet Ling skill would burn through them pretty quick too.

[lapis scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-irene-spin-gif-25676877

[tidal sedge]

[fierce hawk]

this strat doesnt work?

[steep tartan]

u can just mlynar, kaltsit and tex alter it if u want

easiest kyostin strategy/simplest imo

[fierce hawk]

dont have those

[steep tartan]

aww... D:

[tidal sedge]

What operators do you have

[lapis scarab]

I keep leaking

You you suuuureee I can't just ignore the beam mechanic

[fierce hawk]

got a lot more

[tidal sedge]

[full finch]

I just used it to block saxophone shots

[lapis scarab]

I mean , how much damage do the attacks do?

[full finch]

a lot

[lapis scarab]

numbers?

[full finch]

1 sec

yellow are 1200, red are 1500

[lapis scarab]

then again , -0.5sp/sec is gnarly

[tidal sedge]

You sure do have Kaltsit. SA is alright subsitute for Mylnar

[valid kindle]

in theory, is it possible you stuck the ball in the middle of those 4-way thingy?

so that the balls only bounce in the middle

[cyan gorge]

Yea you just have to time it

[tidal sedge]

Yes. There's already been gifs of it

[cyan gorge]

https://youtu.be/nFcwyvkRpoQ?si=x7Q5ujWhm4AfuUqR

[valid kindle]

OMG WHAT I NEED
thamk yu brodder

[lapis scarab]

BRUH
I can't even set my operators forward to bombrush the enemies as they spawn , because of those annoying slugs

[crisp bolt]

Wait so that's how you're supposed to do it?

I just onga bunga nuked with lin

Rat very good in this event

[vernal lion]

until she got nuked by robocop

[crisp bolt]

Haven't had that happen yet

[vernal lion]

wait for S stage

[crisp bolt]

[tidal sedge]

There's robocop in the event? cool

[crisp bolt]

Also I'm about to go extremely broke this event with all the modules

I need one more level on dorothy mod, kal's new mod, and gnosis mod

[deft badger]

just kill it on the way with ur fast redeploys xD

[signal wolf]

Or slap penance right in front of her with blemi

[cyan gorge]

I just spawncamped right with Kal

[solid dew]

i just nuked her with mylnar and then immediatly again with surtr

[fierce hawk]

thanks just nuked it

with yato alter, sa and kal

[deft badger]

i am trust farming xD

first time running mlynar lol

[crisp bolt]

I used Aak + rat

[deft badger]

killing rockets with him

[fierce hawk]

for some reason cw-10 boss cant be blocked

but on yt it can

lmao

[crisp bolt]

Boss can't be blocked phase 2 I think

[fierce hawk]

nah even phase 1

[crisp bolt]

Or is there some gravity shenanigans I wasn't paying attention to

I haven't even read the boss mechanics

[deft badger]

0 plan i did have first a 3 block in my first run and the boss did just pass it xD

so yeah texas yato kill it till it even gets to the camp

[cyan gorge]

Boss gains more block for every armored boulder on the field

[fierce hawk]

oh

gavial alter can block it I guess

+block buff

[full finch]

5 block

[fierce hawk]

6 block

I guess

[silent spear]

Not even E2 ling?

[fierce hawk]

is needed

[signal wolf]

She doesnt have crazy stats so just nuke her

[fierce hawk]

ling is pretty useless

with my ops

[silent spear]

How could you say that, she's not useless

[fierce hawk]

for some

[cyan gorge]

Exu Warf kills easily

[fierce hawk]

those that doesnt have much ops

you wouldn't replace a ling dragon with gavial alter

[silent spear]

I mean they can solo lane pretty well

[fierce hawk]

yeah they can

for trust farms

I guess

theyre good for those

[silent spear]

[cyan gorge]

Why use Ling when there are 200+ other colorful unique ops you could be using instead of a blue dragon

[turbid badge]

Ummm because summoner cool

[cyan gorge]

Then use Deepcolor

[fierce hawk]

guess nobody likes tentacles

[turbid badge]

but dragons cooler

[celest bluff]

I could do better (more nuke)

[crisp bolt]

Rat gaming

[celest bluff]

Actually I just bring her into the stage and she do nothing at all

[fast basin]

Sounds accurate

[cyan gorge]

I'm already at 60 alloy just by using up stored potions

[crisp bolt]

I used her to kill boss

[celest bluff]

S3?

[lapis scarab]

Abbyssal hunter gaming!

Thanks for the tips

[celest bluff]

I know that I should not be doing this but damn

That look fun

[jovial nest]

ooooh eyes can be pushed instantly with any stroker skill instead of waiting for the high amt of attacks

[outer sail]

I'd ask if any of the new modules are worth my attention, but all my data blocks are gonna get eated by Spalter =/

[cyan gorge]

There was a whole tutorial on that

[jovial nest]

i know

[celest bluff]

You can ignore the event mechanics if you have that 2 specialist

[jovial nest]

does it correspond with stronger push forces?

[tidal sedge]

Hm. I should try Phantom s3

[cyan gorge]

I think you just need push force 2 at minimum

[jovial nest]

yeah thats what i was thinking. Phantom's S3 might be too weak

It'd be too easy

[cyan gorge]

So it has to shift "significantly" to work

[tidal sedge]

It doesn't work

Lame

[celest bluff]

Moderate?

[cyan gorge]

Maybe moderate idr

[jovial nest]

at least it has to be what Shaw can do in S1

[celest bluff]

Moderate

[tidal sedge]

Force 1 huh

Unfortunate

[outer sail]

What's Salter skill priority?

[cyan gorge]

S3

[celest bluff]

I restraining myself to not just surtr Kristen

[cyan gorge]

s2 not worth

[outer sail]

Expensive event for me, oof.

[celest bluff]

Maybe next morning I wake up and someone did a "cw-10 2 op clear"

[storm current]

?

it already a thing

you can duo clear CW10 with texas yato

[celest bluff]

Yep

Figured

[cyan gorge]

I do it with 8 ops cause lazy and I want it done fast

[celest bluff]

My man

The boss can't be block

It can't be faster or slower

[cyan gorge]

No they can be blocked

just read the description

[celest bluff]

Not that I know of because I dropped a nuke on her

[cyan gorge]

Block count increases with each armored boulder on field

so 3 boulders = 4 block

[jovial nest]

Mumu's S3 ground stun duration is addicting

[celest bluff]

I supposed to destroy the rock huh

[jovial nest]

[cyan gorge]

Each rock gives boss damage reduction

[jovial nest]

ah

[cyan gorge]

I'm the only one who bothers reading I guess

[celest bluff]

I have achieved "if you don't read the sign it might as well not exist"

[jovial nest]

me i'm more like

I'M NOT THERE YET

taking my sweet time

[celest bluff]

Well I killed the boss first try so the only thing I can read is
"Egoistic. Betrayer. Seeker. Loner. Pioneer.
Goodnight Terra"

[jovial nest]

just trust opsing....don't mind them

[spice badge]

CW4 is killing me

Rocks are confusing

[jovial nest]

have you tried reading the enemy's description?

[latent monolith]

CW4 doesn't have you interact with rocks in any way

They just exist on the field

[jovial nest]

it makes them fly or not

[latent monolith]

You can ignore them

[jovial nest]

the enemies

well its killing Lotus

and I'd rather not teach them cheese strats cause it might not carry them in S or latter EX CMs

[latent monolith]

The rocks are separate to the floor tilt mechanic

[jovial nest]

it's a guide for earlier stages

on where the grav is

[latent monolith]

The guide is tchnically supposed to be the thing above

or which button is highlighted

but yeah the rocks can signal that

[jovial nest]

yeah for me it's easier to look at the eyes

[celest bluff]

I curious to see what cm and s stage bring because my brain rotting from "see enemies-> drop texas/yato"

[jovial nest]

cause they will be what you look at most of the time later

[jovial nest]

I have those 2 in p6 and trust me don't let it rot you

if there's a gimmick to be abused, abuse it. It's more fun that way once you've played this game long enough

[latent monolith]

I farmed everything for silence m6, had a plan for the stuff I'm missing and forgot the chips

don't be like me

[celest bluff]

This is clearly very very overkill but meh

[jovial nest]

and here i am doing weird butchered squad runs cause trust farmin

[outer sail]

What does the ranged clone active skill do? Not the one on Mumu, but the one on the clone itself?

[jovial nest]

i'm still trying to clear everything

no low ops yet

[jovial nest]

activating it leads to you being able to copy someone

doing it again allows you to reset for a 2nd copying

[outer sail]

Reset how? It just has a skill bar that depletes then nothing... The ops don't go 0 cost or highlighted or anything

[celest bluff]

I almost can clear 12-20 adverse without borrowing mylar but I leaked one spy

[jovial nest]

do you know how mumu's clone works to copying an ops?

you've used it, right?

[outer sail]

Yeah, I got the op copied over just fine...

But then the clone gets a skill ready icon, and using it doesn't... seem to do anything?

[jovial nest]

triggering that skill again makes all the undeployed ops 0 cost again so the clone can copy them instead

its a reset

[sly drift]

The idea of clone skill is just choosing what op you will copy next.

[cunning river]

This annihilations mechanics are cancer, what are you even supposed to do

Your units just get nuked to zero without anything you can do

[jovial nest]

tis the same ability you used the first time

[outer sail]

Hmmm, guess I just didn't notice the ops go to zero cost at the bottom when I hit the skill

[cyan gorge]

Abuse the lazor

[jovial nest]

they get watery and become 0 cost.

[cyan gorge]

every enemy interacts with it, whether ops are inside or out of it

[cunning river]

The laser just recharges your SP though

[sly drift]

It protect you from several enemies too

[celest bluff]

Oh yeah new annihilation

[deft badger]

ops?

[cunning river]

That's just not true though, I had my entire frontline on the laser and they got nuked by the casters

[cyan gorge]

The casters do aoe damage when targetting ops outside lazor, the violinists deal damage to all ops in the lazor, the saxophones deal damage in a cross shape but do 0 damage to ops inside or behind the lazor

[deft badger]

2 casters on one op and i mean a op that can take it are the limit btw 😄

[deft badger]

depends which healer u have as well but 2 is the limit

3 some insta die

[cunning river]

Greeeeeaaaaat

Why does the game have to be this annoying

[cyan gorge]

I like LE mechanics

[deft badger]

thorns top kal bot (mud mid leave space for texas s2) rest up to u but those 3 are able to solo it

[cyan gorge]

You can easily set up an Ifrit lane

[cunning river]

That's what I did though

I even overkilled it

Mountain up top, Monster in the middle, Thorns and Mudrock on the bottom

[deft badger]

kinder something like this ignore laser, it just prevents lument to eat trumpet 2 times and die xD

[jovial nest]

ok so attacking the eyes leads to them getting shifted all the way to other side

does this happen with moderate too??

[cunning river]

There's already four of those ops I don't have

[deft badger]

placement

not ops

[cedar hound]

Lmao
Goodluck unknown

[deft badger]

thorns can solo top, kal bot, chong is just there to help, hits mid but u place mud there leave place for texas

u will have to help top with texas at 360

[cyan gorge]

This was mostly Yato s3 being broken as usual

[cunning river]

I don't have Yato though

[deft badger]

if u have problems on bot place monster a bit in the back, thorns prob died

[cyan gorge]

Not required, just means you need to rely on other dps more

[deft badger]

at ur place since 3 casters did hit him

[cyan gorge]

Yato was overkill

[cunning river]

The leak from the tops

Where I have Mountain

• Saria

[cyan gorge]

There are golems that have increased def/res when not in lazor

[deft badger]

mountain can't kill them if u don't have laser to lower def

[celest bluff]

damn, need to e2 my angry bird but I have

20 CASTER CHIP

and non sniper

[deft badger]

so use laser or just do dmg

this would work as well since the most of the tanky guys are on top

[polar crane]

but laser also make you tank more damage