strategy

[celest solstice]

but I forgot to switch

should I resign before I reach 100?

and quickly swap

[tidal sedge]

up to u

[celest solstice]

if you said it would work pretty well, Ill trust you

[tidal sedge]

just dont let exu activate her s3 when there is an egg in front of blaze

💥

she will murder everyone

[eager gate]

Lets see how dumb I am

[tidal sedge]

oooh

bp skill 1 probably wont work though is my guess

[eager gate]

won't work for what

[tidal sedge]

Idk if she can kill the eggs before they reach her

even though they stop, i dont remember how long it is
and iirc some dont stop until they are in range of where bp is

[eager gate]

conclusion is very dumb it's an s2 siege her dp gen is ass and I need a lot

iirc there's a way to clear this map with just a starter dp pool

[tidal sedge]

arturia is my new favorite for IS3

6sp= 12k true dmg.
/bosskiller
/elite killer
/shamare doll

[celest solstice]

so... eyja died

Ill just use reed there I guess?

[tidal sedge]

deployment order?

[celest solstice]

doro eyja mud

[tidal sedge]

well yeah reed should work

[celest solstice]

mountain as placeholder

[gray stone]

Oh yeah shop has mats for E2 Virtuosa

[tidal sedge]

e2 is waste

[gray stone]

Should I M3 her S1

[celest solstice]

she died to the one that targets the lowest hp

[tidal sedge]

[celest solstice]

the blue flowers

the big ones

[tidal sedge]

oh I forgot that was a thing. ye makes sense

[tidal sedge]

since your acc is still newer I would go s1 m1, then s3m3

her s1 isnt super great in like 60% of stages.
but for the 40% you want her to have 3charges

and tbh her s3 masteries dont seem to matter that much either dmg wise

[celest solstice]

attempt 2

[gray stone]

Sounds like I can keep my 351

[celest solstice]

wtf 351

ah ok its not 243

Im a hypocrite I also use 243

[gray stone]

Newbie base

351 transition to 252 when you need masteries

@primal ore continue here because we are clogging up #help
Anyway, Perfumer is kinda shit, I suggest Reed S2 (or borrow 1)

[primal ore]

i have reedic

[gray stone]

Then why are you using 2 4 stars in the team

[primal ore]

i need 2 aoe healers to survive the phase transition damage. Reedic can not heal while there are no enemys.
But maybe this formation was not the best huh

[gray stone]

It aint but that's ok
Just DPS harder 👍

[eager gate]

Sofarsogood

s2 yato was a mistake shoulda get s1

[gray stone]

I set up my Reed at the back so she won't take any damage during the transition

[primal ore]

how does your frontline survive the 2 damage auras?

[gray stone]

Nightingale haver 👍

• Saria so it's all good

[eager gate]

I used FW skill like a moron and lost for that

[celest solstice]

this should be fine right? RIGHT?

TELL ME IM FINE

[eager gate]

do you really want to end with -1

[celest solstice]

For fucks sake

[tidal sedge]

BRUUUUUUH

NOOOO

WTF

[celest solstice]

Ill have to start from 1 dont I

[gray stone]

The only acceptable -1 is machine failure or civ dying

[celest solstice]

[gray stone]

Or tree people leaking

[eager gate]

didn't know you can leak trees

[gray stone]

Basically you need 400 kills

[celest solstice]

time to start from the top

[gray stone]

some annis allow you to leak stuff that don't count towards enemy counter

[tidal sedge]

for anni 22 they dont count for kills, they still take lives in ch11, and anni 22 I would assume

[celest solstice]

HOW THE FUCK DID I LEAK THAT AIRBORN

[vernal lion]

yea, you MUST kill all 400/400 enemies tho
if you want all the rewards

[celest solstice]

I WAS SO CLOSE

[vernal lion]

you can leak whatever enemy out of 400

[celest solstice]

Im making dorothy face bottom

ffs

[tidal sedge]

from what I remember from their pathing, it would prob be better to put eyja in front and facing down

[celest solstice]

uhuh but didnt I say shes going to die

thats why I used reed

[tidal sedge]

oh right

[celest solstice]

I have a funny idea

wait no not going to work

wait doro down will work

omfg

[eager gate]

what do you have for that top left

[celest solstice]

reed and doro and mud

I eventually replace myrtle with mountain and elysium with mizuki helping mud

[tidal sedge]

mud alone should be enough the whole anni ngl

[celest solstice]

cap

how will mud reach the airs huh

[tidal sedge]

iirc I used normal specter with ah buffs

[celest solstice]

she'll jump?

[tidal sedge]

well I meant ground units

as in there is no reason for mountain

[celest solstice]

Im using mountain for only 1 reason

to power that machine

also substitute for mudrock early game

[tidal sedge]

just let the robots do it

[celest solstice]

I dont trust them robots

next thing you know theyll hit me with a surprise attack

[eager gate]

member when weird strats had robots held in place by bugged heal defenders

[celest solstice]

hopefully this works

[deft badger]

if u are ok holding left side, u can use pozy on the right she cleans it

yato prob kills the big guy solo

[celest solstice]

no Im not borrowing

I know I can clear solo

[gray stone]

Oh this anni

If you haven't borrowed Dorothy, you would have been malding Yato Gravel

[eager gate]

yato alone is enough to deal with all the flowers in time

[tidal sedge]

i think he means normal yato

[eager gate]

ah fair

[celest solstice]

aight

doro face down did the trick

how hard can choco anni be

[eager gate]

choco?

[tidal sedge]

the one with the sp based enemies

[eager gate]

ah that one

[tidal sedge]

tbh I think thats my least favorite one

[eager gate]

I'm pretty sure you just need to be ready for what it has, as in what enemies where

[celest solstice]

casually finishing all of the annis

[eager gate]

Horn makes is easy tho

[celest solstice]

I saw kyos guide a few hours ago, oh boy Im not ready

[eager gate]

they like legitimately made a dedicated horn spawncamping tile on this anni

[celest solstice]

so I just borrow horn and be happy?

[eager gate]

I thought you don't borrow

[celest solstice]

well

unless its very hard

it looked very hard

I doubt my team can handle it too

[eager gate]

it's not that hard I beat it like 2nd try

[celest solstice]

uhuh did you use surtr or chalter?

[eager gate]

I use aegir racial team

[celest solstice]

ah

well

[eager gate]

ah extended

[celest solstice]

if its feasible then Ill go for it

feasible with no borrow

[tidal sedge]

if you dont loose the towers it pretty normal difficulty

[celest solstice]

does the boss spawn?

[tidal sedge]

no boss iirc

[celest solstice]

the annoying sharpshooter boss?

[eager gate]

Yato s3 should be able to wipe casters rite? Big caster waves are like the most scary thing on the map

[celest solstice]

maybe?

[tidal sedge]

well he has to deal with the casters from bottom, the rockets on top, and the snipers that drop in mid I would say are the main things

[celest solstice]

cant I just mountain those casters from bottom

[eager gate]

bottom spawns enemies that disarm for a period of time

top spawns carts and bazookas

[celest solstice]

eww carts

disgusting

[eager gate]

middle spawns carts trash and casters

and there are occasional jetpacks

[celest solstice]

I trust you guys can help me create a team
https://krooster.com/u/RamminRam

[tidal sedge]

you have 4 of the best laneholders, so top and bottom left should be fine

[celest solstice]

what whooo

[eager gate]

I kid you not

[celest solstice]

all I know mountain and penance are good lane holders

[eager gate]

s2 Surt can hold top as long as she's healed

[tidal sedge]

mud, penance, mountain, kal

[celest solstice]

forgot kal is a lane holder

not a medic

[tidal sedge]

[eager gate]

I forgot she's a medic

[fiery marsh]

She can be a Boss killer too

[celest solstice]

I did just use her earlier against boss of the night show thing anni

do I just- have each lane held by a lane holder

and just afk it

[tidal sedge]

middle cant prob cant be afkd without aoe

[celest solstice]

I got blaze

would it work

or do you mean aoe caster

[tidal sedge]

middle bottom box can, and top and bottom left boxes prob can be afk

I mean... I guess lin can probably survive?

[eager gate]

I ran this map with Carne on the mid far near red boxes once

Lin should work perfectly well too

[celest solstice]

team like this?

[eager gate]

ynot s2 Peenans

[celest solstice]

no idea

[tidal sedge]

nonono

[eager gate]

actually doesn't matter that much prob
Maybe it'll be a lil annoying to get s3

[tidal sedge]

You put ur sht right in their face

[celest solstice]

then?

[tidal sedge]

the towers give them sp

they will rapidfire you

dont let them have a single one

[celest solstice]

so I place them right in front of their faces?

[eager gate]

iirc jetpacks drop there

[celest solstice]

ohhh

something like this?

[tidal sedge]

this is what I would do

just deal with jetpacks some other way imo

[celest solstice]

wait theres a spot down there? lmao

[celest solstice]

would yato work or nah

[tidal sedge]

she might work on s2 or s1 if you time it right, but they normally drop in 2x2 iirc

[celest solstice]

oh 2x2

can I just eyja em

[tidal sedge]

Ive never thought about that before

[celest solstice]

I also have mizuki for more AOE DAMAGE

[tidal sedge]

if you have dp you could also dorothy nuke

[celest solstice]

dorothy nuke?

oh sure I plan on bringing 2 flagbearers

[tidal sedge]

before they drop just place her s3 mines all other the ground

im not sure how fast they drop tho

just have extra just in case

[celest solstice]

extra what

I can just yato em anyways

[tidal sedge]

somthing to deal with jetpacks

[celest solstice]

team will be like this?

[tidal sedge]

also idk how reliable reed will be there, blaze might kill too fast but youll just have to figure it out I guess

And I would use penance s3

[celest solstice]

kk

blaze facing left or down?

[tidal sedge]

idk up to u she will kill stuff faster if left of course, but reed also wont heal as much. Just have to see how it goes. also put her on s2

[celest solstice]

oh reed s2 gotcha

I just started a round luckily its only 10 kills

[tidal sedge]

well reed skill idk what to use here

what I meant is blaze s2

[celest solstice]

ohhh

I had it on s3 cause of previous anni my bad

[tidal sedge]

I really dont know how this will go tbh

either mid nukes u, or u kill mid

[celest solstice]

yep s3 works real well to clear out mid

aight Im good now time to afk

how many jet packers?

[tidal sedge]

iirc 4 per wave, and like ~6 waves

[celest solstice]

found out where the jetpackers land

waiting simulator

OH MY GOD

[tidal sedge]

wait

hold

[celest solstice]

CLUTCHED

[tidal sedge]

ok good

[celest solstice]

if yato was any second later I would be restarting this match rn

yato couldnt handle the fire

somehow, the enemy was targetting kaltsit

tbf, kaltsit it closer

is closer

doesnt matter, Im done with this hell hole of annis

[tidal sedge]

ye when they go out of the red box in bottom mid they wouldnt have mountain in range if thats what you mean

[celest solstice]

yeah, you know kaltsit actually died once

dorothy is the real mvp, along with yato

stalled long enough for them to respawn into existence

[tidal sedge]

🎉

[celest solstice]

thank you for staying with me till I finished all the annihilations

[gray stone]

As she should

[celest solstice]

dorothy enjoyer spotted, opinion denied

[gray stone]

No I like men

[celest solstice]

opinion accepted

[storm current]

Lmao

[vernal lion]

ok Chalter makes everything look so easy lol

[vernal lion]

CRINGE

so h12-4 is actually easy lol

[storm current]

oh you spawn camp

i just put my ops on the turn section

[vernal lion]

Idk my idea just appears naturally

and I tried, and it worked

[south bone]

gummy usage

[storm current]

low dp defender is useful

especially when the 6* defender are 21+

[lethal dragon]

Ah yes chalter tile

[timid schooner]

a

its just 1st stage and they already throw a boss on it

[river atlas]

Wait til u see the rest of them

[timid schooner]

w a h

drones are bad

[south bone]

Wow i haven't even beat H12-1 yet

[river atlas]

I found h12-1 harder than the following 3 stages somehow lmao

[south bone]

I fucking hate myself

[turbid badge]

@latent anvil do u run 2 exp in base?

i just e2 gnosis and ines recently (thankfully Is reset) anyways

[turbid badge]

greyy

[latent anvil]

ye

still no xp

[sly drift]

Just tried ch 12 recently

And man.. Vigil + Skalter is surprisingly my most favourite duo here lmao

[turbid badge]

wtf

i run 1

[turbid badge]

Yea vigil skalter goes hard

[gray stone]

Is this supposed to be 4-5 stars only

[turbid badge]

lol r u blind

do u see the 🐱

[gray stone]

With the amount of shits on screen, I might as well be

[turbid badge]

i actually thought it was leonhardt

Ngl

[gray stone]

No legit

I can't see anything

who the fuck is the cat

TRC?

[south bone]

cat? who?

Oh the crossover cats?

[turbid badge]

Yea TRC

[south bone]

I used them solely to scan the spies a wee bit

[latent anvil]

my gold still going up

but still no xp

[turbid badge]

same

3k

/^

[latent anvil]

wtfart rich

[turbid badge]

Nah

just

3 Gold

[glass monolith]

Proviso experience

[latent anvil]

[turbid badge]

lool

thankfully my power is just nothing

[sly drift]

Also Ash. She fixes all my problem

[pulsar fog]

What should a new user be doing for leveling their units? I know that working on lower star units saves on costs, but I feel like I run out really quick while trying to progress (at around S2-2). How do you decide whether using a higher star unit is worth it in terms of resource management or not? And when/ what stage should I be farming for them so I don't keep the stamina going to waste

[river atlas]

U shouldnt be farming stages early on at all

You can do resource stages once for first clear bonus but not worth repeating til u can clear the highest tier stage imo

If ur having trouble on a stage, borrow an operator

As for who’s worth using, would be easier for u to upload who u have

well, if you’re extremely desperate, you can farm 1-7 i guess

[pulsar fog]

I rerolled and managed to get these along with Ines, should be all the 3* and 2*s available too

[cyan gorge]

Mlynar start

[weak gazelle]

that was very good starter
switch vermeil to kroos and bench jessica

5* ticket would go to lappy again i guess

[pulsar fog]

oh and I couldnt include it in the screenshot but I have la pluma and sussurro as well

[vital arrow]

Myrtle is kinda iffy on E0, but if you're used to it then its fine

Replace jessica with kroos

Replace rope with another medic

Have you used your *5 tickets?

[weak gazelle]

kick arene and switch to pluma

[vital arrow]

I'd use arene over pluma

E0 pluma has no stats and she can't be healed

[weak gazelle]

there is perfumer
i dont see a problem

[vital arrow]

Its e0

If theyre e1 pluma would be fine

Also relying on perfumer for pluma is cringe

[pulsar fog]

Uh yah I do have a 5-star selector

[vital arrow]

One or two?

[pulsar fog]

one yellow and one with less characters

[crystal cargo]

i regret not getting spectre on the one with most 5 stars

[vital arrow]

For the one with less chars, get silence and replace rope with her

See if the one with more chars has shamare or not

[weak gazelle]

idk
mine try with e0 pluma and she good
maybe cause im used to it
if new player asking then probably yeah not good idea

[pulsar fog]

doesnt have shamare

[pulsar fog]

that is what a friend recommended elsewhere haha

[vital arrow]

Get specter then

[crystal cargo]

it depends on what you dont have

[pulsar fog]

yah

well I dont have her so its fine

[crystal cargo]

i had 2 decent healers but i decided to get ptilo for some reason

shes good but spectre would have fitted my team better

instead of replacing a healer

[pulsar fog]

I dont have any from the other selector

[vital arrow]

The small one?

[weak gazelle]

i just didnt get the idea of pick silence on smaller pool 5* ticket

[pulsar fog]

liskarm, silence, projekt red, pramanix

[vital arrow]

Get silence from that

The big one get specter

[weak gazelle]

are lumen already on record restore yet?

[vital arrow]

SN hasnt even reran

[weak gazelle]

ohh lol
i see, then yeah silence make sense from that selector

[pulsar fog]

is she needed if I have sussurro?

[weak gazelle]

honestly no imo

[vital arrow]

Shes just more flexible

If you want you can pick red

For helidrop stun

[pulsar fog]

for the small pack Ill just wait I guess

see if any pop out of the blue

[weak gazelle]

yeah keep it would best i guess

[vital arrow]

Honestly it doesnt really matter which one you pick

[pulsar fog]

but I did get spectre at least

[vital arrow]

As long as its not pram

Keeping it just dilutes the voucher' value

Its just 4 mid operators

[pulsar fog]

now for the actual uh leveling, do I even use the 6*s atm or? like mlynar I have no idea how to run, seems like a wait until you can use their skill to attack kinda fella

[weak gazelle]

its low value to begin with

[vital arrow]

Raise *3s first because they're cheap

Then slowly raise the rest of your squad evenly

You haven't pulled on the beginner banner?

[river atlas]

3/4* are cheap and give u access to some base skills for passive income

[pulsar fog]

I still have the beginner ye

[vital arrow]

Do a 10pull on it

[pulsar fog]

since it seemed like a waste with specialized banners atm

[vital arrow]

And hope its mountain

You dont need to pull on the other banners anymore

[pulsar fog]

will save for that one then

at least it sticks around

[vital arrow]

Just 1 10pull is enough for the guaranteed *6

Then you can save again

[pulsar fog]

oh I mean like progress a few stages lol

[weak gazelle]

5* selector (both pool) value keep decrease each day

[pulsar fog]

so for the team now, any recommendations from what we know above?

[vital arrow]

Recommendations for what

[pulsar fog]

Are there any 3*s I don't need to deal with because I have other units that sort of replace their role? I saw something about texas sort of being a replacement for fang

[vital arrow]

Adnachiel popukar catapult

Dont touch them

Replace jessica with kroos and rope/shirayuki with sussurro

And you're done

[river atlas]

Catapult has a great base skill tho

[vital arrow]

At e0

[river atlas]

Oh its e0? Oop

[pulsar fog]

super early hours atm lol

[crystal cargo]

i kinda did things weirdly when i was starting

[river atlas]

Ah no its e1 for her workshop but ig u can ignore it for now yeah

[crystal cargo]

i didnt e1 any 3 stars or 4 stars

except cuora and gummy

ig

[pulsar fog]

I guess the one thing is that since you arent really expected to farm the early stages

you can just auto use the supports

[vital arrow]

Not using supports kinda improves your game sense though

[pulsar fog]

I was kinda avoiding them because you have to redo for the auto deploy but eh rather just get further ahead at this point

that too tho yah

[vital arrow]

Its just makes you improvise more

Instead of relying on a carry

Not that it's bad

[crystal cargo]

i honestly spammed supports

because i didnt need to farm early levels

and by using them

i got farther than i usually would

so i would get stronger

[vital arrow]

You dont even need supports for the first 5 chapters

[crystal cargo]

i dont see why you shouldnt use them in story if ur having trouble

[vital arrow]

If you're really having trouble then its fine, but some chapter 3-4 stages are farming spots

And chapter 0-3 stages are practically just basic strategy checks

[crystal cargo]

after i reached chapter 5 or so i went back and farmed

i really dislike farming

its always just trying to hope you get a rare material

and spending all ur sanity

[vital arrow]

You played the wrong game

[pulsar fog]

I assume there isnt any sort of sweep system for farming eh

[vital arrow]

We'll get it in 7 months

[pulsar fog]

nice

[crystal cargo]

idk bro

it takes 21 sanity to farm for grindstones

and they're a rare drop

[pulsar fog]

alchemy stars got that recently and so glad it did lol

[crystal cargo]

i farmed 4-8 so much

to get them for cuora e2

[pulsar fog]

phone no longer burning up while waiting

[crystal cargo]

so much that i never want to do it again

[vital arrow]

Idk, I played this game since I didn't know what 'efficiency' was, until I knew what that is and cared about it, until I just dont care about it

[crystal cargo]

guess i had bad luck

[vital arrow]

Arknights is a 24/7 farming simulator

[pulsar fog]

even the base wants you refreshing your units every so many hours 😭

[vital arrow]

The game is practically saying 'you will grind and you will like it'

[pulsar fog]

really do be the whole day grind

[crystal cargo]

i didnt farm for mlynar and eyja e2 funnily enough except for the lmd and chips

and that wasnt that bad

because its easy to get them

[glass monolith]

Other games: Swipe.
HSR: Auto does random moves
R1999: Exact replica of your run
Arknights: Desync, desync, desync

[vital arrow]

Wait until you see masteries

[crystal cargo]

guarenteed chance at least

[vital arrow]

Well its not really a 'sweep'

It's auto repeat

[crystal cargo]

me after i promote an operator and it messes up auto deploy

[pulsar fog]

so it still wants you watching

[crystal cargo]

it can mess up

[vital arrow]

You dont need to watch though

[glass monolith]

My best desync was lag causing frame skip making enemy leak because "check for enemy in range every 3 frames" failed

[pulsar fog]

oh well

all these still beat my old SAO MD experience

idk why I sat through that for so long lol

[kind tartan]

Are there any other guides for h12-4?
I tried to search in yt and most of them involve max level ops and modules max upgraded which I can't afford
I mostly have E260 ops

[tropic valve]

https://youtu.be/FOzSKkBeuaU?si=L9asSItamEX_t84i

[tidal sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NffaCvyLPpI

[tropic valve]

ILA's clear does have high levels and modules, but E2 60 6* will usually do more than 5*

[tidal sedge]

just bring extra ops as well

[kind tartan]

I alrd tried Kyo's strat but it doesn't work the same
He has E290 ops and max pots which I can't afford

[tidal sedge]

uhh

[tropic valve]

sorry I said I was gonna upload a clear but I'm saving H12-4 for later to play with friends oops

[polar crane]

he have max mlynar that's why

[kind tartan]

Yeah can't afford

[tidal sedge]

I hate to break it to you

[polar crane]

cirno lied

[tidal sedge]

but thats not the reason you dont win

[kind tartan]

I just tried to follow his guide

[cyan gorge]

My clear had E2 60 ish ops, the only maxed ones being Yato (which doesn't matter, just means one extra deploy for drone) and borrowed Mlynar

[kind tartan]

Same strat with Kyo?

[cyan gorge]

No my own

[kind tartan]

I wish I had the ops you have

[cyan gorge]

problem is it uses a niche op that you might not have

[kind tartan]

As expected

[tidal sedge]

you really have 2choices
follow a guide like kyo's with extra ops to combat the slight stat dif
or follow the 5star guide that uses very specific operators

[cyan gorge]

It's Quercus

[tidal sedge]

every guide will basically be one of these two

[cyan gorge]

Quercus can be dropped for Skalter or Lumen

[kind tartan]

Should I E280 and E275 them as well?

[tidal sedge]

no

basically never worth past lv60 unless you have extra mats for an op you always use, or waifu

[glass monolith]

(fuck H12-4)

[tidal sedge]

[polar crane]

did she died?

[glass monolith]

Probably

I lost at who died and who didn't but at won run she didn't

[cyan gorge]

You can attempt something like this but as I said before only 2 ops maxed and neither mattered
This was mostly rarity abuse tho

[kind tartan]

Why are there two bosses on Gummy?

[cyan gorge]

Cause there's 4 clones

2 top, 2 bottom

[glass monolith]

if you break box top clones split between lanes

[cyan gorge]

Yeah break the right box, not the left

[glass monolith]

Which is useless info for me because i did'nt had plan for them splitting

Honestly i didn't had plan for 4 clones at all

Just "WOLOLO" and hope it dies before i do

[kind tartan]

Gonna try it then
Thanks

[cyan gorge]

To clarify what's happening, Gummy is a stopgap for when Monst3r dies (Surtr was the other backup)

I also used Mlynar to open and break one of the crates and later the top lane drone

[glass monolith]

btw how mlynar is not dead, shouldn't he pop to boss ranged BS go?

[cyan gorge]

Quercus

[glass monolith]

I may be drunk but isn't he outside her range?

[cyan gorge]

Oh right

then idk

he never died in that spot

[glass monolith]

I guess reed alter saved him

[tidal sedge]

[cyan gorge]

Reed wasn't placed till after the 4th clone spawned

[storm current]

Pretty sure mlynar has more than enough hp to survive no?

Also

Reed talent debuff the boss/clone

So they hurt less

[cyan gorge]

Again, Reed was nowhere to be seen until after 4th clone
so maybe level 90 was just enough to survive 3 but Reed made 4 possible

[storm current]

No

Reed talent give -atk

[cyan gorge]

Yeah I know, I was explaining how my clear went

[storm current]

Each clone has 900 atk afaik

[glass monolith]

He survived with 200 hp for me with Quercus DR on full hp. 800 from corrosion proc and normally they hit for like 900 physical each, so you pretty fast run out of DEF

[storm current]

Then 800 corrosion

Are you using reed then

Because debuffer work

[glass monolith]

4400, mlynar is like 4000 hp on 60

[storm current]

Altho

You have to debuff every clone

[noble pewter]

For me a borrowed lv90 mlynar managed survive 4 clone

[lethal dragon]

Have you guys considered killing the threats before it kills you

[tidal sedge]

[south bone]

[noble pewter]

just deploy diagonally if u dont have nightingale or dont like the timing issue, then high hp blockers n borrow a lv90 mlynar if u dont have one if u want fast clear

if u want more ideas, u can look at the 4 star only clear

or bilibili 3 op clears, kalsit, ling, mlynar

or the free to play welfare unit only clear

or the sniper only clear

[fringe jackal]

those bili 3 op clears tend to be max pot

[foggy grove]

just max pot

[glass monolith]

Stop using 3 op clears as guide of doing stage

[fringe jackal]

I don't have any laneholders

have just been using ling

[foggy grove]

some people think since it's low ops i can just add more ops to compensate

[weak gazelle]

have a nice idea to win h maps with less than 10 slot but i didnt raise the important ops for it yet

[glass monolith]

Roster issue

[fringe jackal]

I'll probably just wait until I can get saria or hoshi or blaze or thorns or something

[weak gazelle]

i forgot tbh
i tho already raise it turn out it doesnt

easy clap to counter boss map wide skill

[turbid badge]

which

[cyan gorge]

Saria would help, the rest can be easily replaced for H12-4

[weak gazelle]

3 of them would be BN, heavyrain, and liskarm

[limpid siren]

[fringe jackal]

I'll have to cert saria probably
I have kal and mudrock but mudrock can't be deployed and there are 3 lanes
I could use mudrock on one lane on H12-3 and could just borrow saria and stall on h12-1 but yeh

[limpid siren]

Blacknight abuser

[weak gazelle]

[glass monolith]

Not my fault i have her max pot

[limpid siren]

So do i

[cyan gorge]

Mud dies quickly tho

[limpid siren]

It’s your fault for abusing stinky bn

[weak gazelle]

i use her exclusively for this h maps

[limpid siren]

[cyan gorge]

Gummy can stall boss too btw

[fringe jackal]

I 100% need to raise or roll something healable

[storm current]

@weak gazelle Btw wdyt about melanite

[weak gazelle]

idk
never seen her kit

[storm current]

Dodge ignore for 5* knight

She is uh

5* Pozy s2

Manual activation s2

Kinda low dps

[latent halo]

What's Manfred gimmick again

Any special way to counter

[tidal sedge]

Is the dodge ignore even that relevant

[storm current]

Manfred increase aspd the more he attack

[latent halo]

Ik he gain aspd every hit on same target

Reset when target change

[storm current]

If you block him or deploy another unit, he lose aspd

He has 60% dodge and lose it when get hit by cannon

On phase 2, he deal additional physical dmg

He charge up cannon on attack

I think thats about it?

[latent halo]

Now counter part

[storm current]

Stun with texas alt?

Cuz it should reset his aspd

And dodge ignore/true dmg ofc

Or elemental dmg

[weak gazelle]

30 sec full 2 charge
the further enemy where the shittiest dmg she produce
being generous i would say she mid

[storm current]

She deal about 5k-6k dmg at point blank

And much less at max range

Altho

Its still higher than chen s2 lmao

[tropic valve]

basically Schwarz if she only had 2 ammo

and also the attack got weaker with distance

[weak gazelle]

oh it say enemies
mean its like ifrit(?)
maybe decent if this what i think

[tidal sedge]

It hits multiple enemies

[south bone]

She basically attack all enemies in range with s2 right

[tidal sedge]

If that's what you're asking

[storm current]

Yea it pierce

[weak gazelle]

yeah decent
require micro-ing to play it tho

not auto friendly to say the least

[storm current]

S1 is uh

Worse provence

I guess pasta shenanigan?

[weak gazelle]

without context yeah
its about to projectile speed when it come to pasta shenanigan anyway

[storm current]

Or animation delay

The upcoming 5* are kinda so so

Insider and santalla are prob the best 5* in the next 6 months

Which isnt a good thing

[weak gazelle]

nothing good
even bassline are shit
it just re-brand of vulcan helidrop but defensive

[storm current]

Well

Bassline is pretty good art tanker tho

Not for big account

[weak gazelle]

insider the only ops with good review from me but again another marksman and his main job is to fill exalter ammo

[storm current]

But early/mid game account can use him

Insider is the same

[weak gazelle]

[storm current]

By himself, hes good

[latent halo]

Isn't he 5s matterhorn

[storm current]

He is guardian

[latent halo]

Yes , use to tank arts

[storm current]

His gimmick is high res + modY for dred, s1 heal, s2 heal and give art shield to allies

Altho

S2 last 60s lol

[weak gazelle]

60/60
i really find it hard seeing this number being good

[latent halo]

If he can solo hold Manfred alone then he's a good op

[storm current]

He is prob the best saria replacement

He most likely can

Cuz he practically has 39 res

Or like 34 without allies

[weak gazelle]

wait asbestie mod

[storm current]

No asbestos mod?

[weak gazelle]

overcome bass res frfr

[storm current]

For now

Hes guardian + art protector

Kinda decent ig

He can face tank talulah fireball without allies prob

I meant solo

Cuz s2 give art shield

Diamante is weird tho

Altho necrosis is strong

[weak gazelle]

+3 sp each arts dmg taken by asbesties
that was cracked talent she has

[storm current]

He doesnt inflict enough necrosis to burst enough

Yea against art asbestos is tankier

[weak gazelle]

and being 20/20 cycle
any arts heavy dmg she enjoy tanking it

[storm current]

Bassline is more versatile somewhat cuz he heals quite a bit

But its just

Archetype difference

[limpid siren]

Id have to use him first

I don’t think he’s doa

But I’m also not too impressed

[storm current]

Consider saria is goner now

Newbie can use him for similar role

And he is tankier than nearl due to modY

[limpid siren]

A newbie won’t have him e2 lol

[storm current]

Well yea

[limpid siren]

Insane cope

[storm current]

At e1 he is worse healing but more res than nearl

Thats it

Skill 1 is identical

[limpid siren]

There’s probably a tipping point between her stronger heals and his dr

[storm current]

Iirc

Maxed nearl is 1.3k per s1 heal

[verbal sparrow]

I lost the context but what does it mean for saria to be goner

[limpid siren]

But generally id probably take nearl over bassline

[storm current]

Maxed bass line is about 1k

[limpid siren]

Kernel hh

[storm current]

Saria is not in standard

[verbal sparrow]

boomer banner ok

[storm current]

Altho

Bassline s2 seem pretty nice

Only against art

[weak gazelle]

maybe
if want on positive side for bassline review
but for me i find it hard

[limpid siren]

1.15 heal_scale for all other heals too

[storm current]

Idk

I think anti art can be useful for late chapter ig

Cuz everything on chapter 8 and beyond has art

[limpid siren]

We already have a grabbag of solutions

Ill wait to try him out, but at first glance his home seems kinda squarely in male only runs

[weak gazelle]

agree and bass didnt offer something extraodinary to the point pick him over any solution i have already

[storm current]

Hmm

I guess for newbie

Hes just better alternative for spot

[verbal sparrow]

by solution you just mean nightingale?

[limpid siren]

Isn’t spot a base slave

[storm current]

Yes but his heal is skill only so

[weak gazelle]

5* art tanking already a lot

[limpid siren]

And?

Bassline is gonna be a hard sell

Not an invalid raise though

[limpid siren]

For normal human beings yea

5* already has a handful of arts tanks otherwise

[storm current]

Well nowadays you can also use shelter and all

[limpid siren]

From whom

[storm current]

I guess 9cd rerun soon?

[limpid siren]

Whose shelter gifting is relevant

[storm current]

And quercus

Quercus is valid raise imo

Especially after module

[limpid siren]

Nah

Id rather run a real medic

[storm current]

Unless you go burst heal

Quercus should heal better

[limpid siren]

Silence always beats quercus

10/8 cycle

10/4 with ptilopsis on the field

[verbal sparrow]

most of them just blocks arts dmg for themselves. there could be a niche for protecting others

[limpid siren]

[limpid siren]

That’s usually where the multitarget healers come in tho

5 res is kinda peanuts anyway

Re quercus propaganda

I’m not even confident she’ll be top 5 healer in 5*s post mod

[verbal sparrow]

still it's pretty true that nightingale has been more than enough so far. unless they ban ranged tiles or sth

[limpid siren]

Ng is cracked

[storm current]

Well

I guess quercus can be useful for like

H12-4

Unless you just go skalter s1/silence alt

[limpid siren]

I don’t really see it

I think people are giga coping quercus mod

[weak gazelle]

we already have shamare with -atk debuff

[storm current]

Does it help with the all units nuke

Or do you debuff the drone

[weak gazelle]

ch 12 boss are on weaker side
SK and manfred stronger than this damazti dude

[tidal sedge]

Are they? That's interesting

[storm current]

hmm

i guess manfred is easier to brute force

the stage is hard, but its because of the mobs

manfred is barely anything

[weak gazelle]

peep are too scared from corrosion with its perma -deff debuff

[tidal sedge]

Her healing with mod is like comparable to Lumen's isn't it? and it's not like he's seen as an important raise.

[weak gazelle]

while dollkeeper just straight laugh at it

[storm current]

yes

[limpid siren]

Ive been hit with this like three times in the past week like it’s some definitive proof that quercus is now basically the best 5* healer

[storm current]

well

quercus shelter is at least more effective

since it trigger at high hp, it prevent 1 shot

[limpid siren]

Actually bait

[storm current]

the argument for it is that

[limpid siren]

If you’re really getting one shot you probably need a different staller

[storm current]

how often do you need lumen cleanse

vs how often do you need quercus shelter

[limpid siren]

It’s all a distraction

Go raise silence

[storm current]

shelter also work on range tho?

[limpid siren]

Never vs never

Got it

[tidal sedge]

The only one shot I've ever used Quercus talent for was getting ranged ops to survive Lucian scream, and I was rightfully seen as being weird for doing that

[south bone]

Just raise both smh

[limpid siren]

Already did

[storm current]

well

[limpid siren]

In search of quercus talent pot

[storm current]

one of the argument you can make is range difference

lol

[limpid siren]

True

Silence can reach basically the whole map

[storm current]

quercus doesnt heal for the first 40s tho

[limpid siren]

Go raise silence

[weak gazelle]

oh right that table i didnt see silence

[south bone]

i raised silence

silence og kek

[storm current]

i can math her ig

[limpid siren]

I’m just not convinced by anyone’s argument that quercus’ mod is enough of an improvement to move the needle

[foggy grove]

kal best healer

[limpid siren]

If no one is recommending silence

They shouldn’t be recommending quercus

[storm current]

actually

does silence mod affect drone

[weak gazelle]

hahaha

[storm current]

i assume not

[limpid siren]

No

[south bone]

Prob does

Wait

It doesn't?

[limpid siren]

Only clvl affects drone healing

[south bone]

[limpid siren]

125 per tick at e2 80
2 ticks per second

Silence wins by a few avg hps for 1 target, and by a landslide for any extra targets being healed

[weak gazelle]

based on silence base stat or lvl?
silence drone hps

[limpid siren]

Lvl

[tidal sedge]

Level

[weak gazelle]

i see

[storm current]

252hps silence herself, x1.15 if melee ops
139 hps for drone
=> 391 hps

[tidal sedge]

Does Paranoia Illusion aspd debuff affect drone heal

[storm current]

or 428 if melee

pretty sure it does

[weak gazelle]

guess m3 her if 4 second faster its starting to matter a lot

[storm current]

because drone has 0.5s interval

and highmorb affect weedy cannon and pozy typewriter

wait does bard always have 1.3s interval

i thought they have 1s interval

[tidal sedge]

They probably changed it due to MuMu

[storm current]

lol

why did they do that tho

bard isnt even that good to clone

[tidal sedge]

It's the only instance I can think of Bard atk interval mattering

[storm current]

yea idk

[limpid siren]

i think you might have left her aspd talent out here

[storm current]

i included aspd

581 base atk

+25 aspd

2.3s interval include frame rounding

that is pot6

because other calc also include pot6

well

drone heal multitarget

so if you want to include that

[tidal sedge]

Now that I think about it, did consistent hps pieces come in vogue for some reason?

[storm current]

multiply 139 by number of ally

uh not sure what you meant by that

[quick pecan]

bard has atk interval?? today i learned

[storm current]

yes, because of coding and all

[turbid badge]

yah look at mumu cline

clone

[weak gazelle]

uhhh yeah

[tidal sedge]

What I'm getting at is there some reason folks want skill boosted consistent hps ops/skills for particular reasons or just because seemingly big number = good

[storm current]

i guess because afk/consistancy and all

[limpid siren]

dragongjy released a quercus module video

now people are coping quercus s1

[tidal sedge]

What's the stall target(s)

[turbid badge]

Abjurer module kinda stonks tho for healing more atk

[limpid siren]

just use silence

[turbid badge]

dubu

[weak gazelle]

ohh yeah
can put quercus on support?
might as well want to see this later

[turbid badge]

wait for module smh

[limpid siren]

can test now and test later

[turbid badge]

[storm current]

i guess

silence drone is a bit tedius

so people might not like it

still take 3 months before abjurer module tho

[tidal sedge]

Using consistent hps pieces for what they're actually good for is tedious, because it means you're doing longterm stalling

[weak gazelle]

i never have interest on quercus aside from clue slave so didnt get her
so by this hps thingy look interesting to test

[storm current]

well

its useful for like

SK

and dama

[limpid siren]

it's fine to just call it cope

[storm current]

because you will stall for a long while

[weak gazelle]

last map that have free quercus is about her sp battery

[storm current]

well

sp battery quercus is mainly for gavialt and fiametta from what i see

[limpid siren]

[storm current]

supposedly

[turbid badge]

Just use shining s2

[storm current]

quercus s2 will match gavialt s3 cycle

[turbid badge]

[quick pecan]

give me fortress module in global so my fire whistle will be a little less cope

also the ashlock skin is so good

makes me actually want her lol

[limpid siren]

ashlock stays winning

💪

[weak gazelle]

gacha harder i guess

[storm current]

i have pot2 ashlock and FW

♿

[tidal sedge]

Ashlock got a skin? I should look it up

[storm current]

yes

[turbid badge]

yes

[quick pecan]

my fire whistle is pot 6

[turbid badge]

noble ashlock

[quick pecan]

actually more like pot 600

whaling chong be like that

[turbid badge]

what was the cause

[quick pecan]

he was hot

[turbid badge]

of pot 6 chingyuj

[weak gazelle]

i love meteorite and ashlock s2 duo
satisfying

[quick pecan]

that’s pretty much it

[storm current]

oh ashlock module seem pretty good

she can actually get the atk boost now

[turbid badge]

whats it do

[turbid badge]

lmao

[quick pecan]

i just wish ashlock broke 2k per hit with s2

even with module + pots she only reaches 1.9k

[turbid badge]

i love ashlock fast cycles

feels good to use

[storm current]

1.7k without mod1 boost

[quick pecan]

ive been seeing fire whistle in a lot of defenderknights and 5* knights clears

[storm current]

and 1.9k with mod1

almost

[quick pecan]

her s2 is pretty nice in those clears for aoe in front of her then aoe across the map later on

[storm current]

without mod she hit like 1.5k

[weak gazelle]

oh they reduce ashlock talent requirement
that was nice bonus
less placement demanding

[storm current]

so mod is pretty significant on her as expected

ye her talent can finally active

[autumn grotto]

wait isnt ashlock the mega budget horn

[storm current]

meanwhile fw is a generic stat up

well

[autumn grotto]

then wait why ashlock got mod but horn doesnt

[storm current]

both 5* fortress are budget horn

[autumn grotto]

or is this not out in NA yet

[storm current]

she kinda do tho

[autumn grotto]

firewhistle does more tho

cos s2 is a solid amt of arts

[storm current]

horn module is effectively +20% dps up, excluding mod1 effect

[limpid siren]

not sure i pay this

[autumn grotto]

o

[limpid siren]

[autumn grotto]

compared to ashlock not horn

[limpid siren]

i know

[storm current]

ashlock easily out dps firewhistle

[autumn grotto]

horn does firewhistle + ashlock and more

[limpid siren]

i don't pay it

[autumn grotto]

lol

i hvnt

[storm current]

firewhistle is just afk and art

[autumn grotto]

but my fren without horn has

[storm current]

her dmg is uh

not very high

[autumn grotto]

my horn i m9 in not building any more fortresses

wait so hirn mod same as ashlock?

or isit just +20% atk flat

[storm current]

ashlock is budget horn s3

firewhistle is budget horn s1 s2

[autumn grotto]

true true

[storm current]

and horn s3 is much stronger than s1 s2

[autumn grotto]

firewhistle is still more arts tho than horn

[storm current]

its not +20% flat atk

its +20% dps from modless via increase base atk

[autumn grotto]

eh i on the contrary use more s1 than s3 even on boss stages but sure

[autumn grotto]

ooo

icic

sounds like horn just became btr

but sadly she still doesnt do jack in chp 12 H stages

[storm current]

she can snipe agitator

[autumn grotto]

well

true

but i got yato s3 for that

im just stuck at h12-3

cos not enuf tank my hoshi dies

[quick pecan]

horn with p3 + mod giving defenders 31% atk for just being deployed

[autumn grotto]

yea my horn is one pot away

[weak gazelle]

keep forgetting i should get toddi mod
more racist good

[storm current]

firewhistle go from
1043 atk unblocked
692 def blocked
to
1188 atk unblocked
811 def blocked

just stat up

would be funny if firewhistle get both def up and atk up regardless of block or unblock as module change tho

[weak gazelle]

6* already got mod d
well this would apply on lower rarity too right(?)
or just exclusive 6* only

[limpid siren]

we can cope

[tidal sedge]

I wouldn't bet on it

[limpid siren]

that some of our weaker units will get a second module

second vulcan module will fix her

trust

[weak gazelle]

[tidal sedge]

Unfortunately I don't think HG cares enough about non-6*s except for the meme level bad ones

[weak gazelle]

yeah with mod feature already
garbage op still a garbage
sad why 5* have a lot of useless mod

[limpid siren]

i'd say it means i have to get fewer modules

but i kinda just get the bad ones too

[weak gazelle]

vulcan mod was just sad

[storm current]

there was one dude who say vulcan is good for general content

and he say he use vulcan as general defender

[weak gazelle]

well i never touch marskman sniper outside aspd+8 one

except platinum cause simply simp

[tidal sedge]

Was there any other modules with the juggernaut ones?

[limpid siren]

i did all the marksman modules

[storm current]

not really

[tidal sedge]

How many of the various 5* marksman do you have e2?

[storm current]

just old units

nearl module is pretty eh, less dmg but extra stun

[weak gazelle]

110% atk to aerial wont help much when enemy def already outside their range of dmg imo

[storm current]

well

not even for april?

[limpid siren]

all of them 🫡

[storm current]

cuz of -rdp time

[tidal sedge]

Damn

[storm current]

all but insider

♿

[limpid siren]

can't really e2 what we don't have

[storm current]

i guess there isnt that many

[weak gazelle]

me all except... blue poison