strategy

[jovial nest]

and then salvaging whatever holes you have

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597785444220941/1166915970179276900/dd8d021fa8d3fd1fc6d772f0754e251f94ca5f22.png?ex=654c3a2f&is=6539c52f&hm=9663664db798bb3e5e79342b256cc03ab667644fe6957099e60207ad14419ff5&

Ines reminding you to use your permits

[naive oar]

IM GONNA FUCKING JUMP OF THE ROOF

THE LAST DAMN ENEMY

LEAKED

ARGH

I WAS SO CLOSE

[latent anvil]

oh no

[naive oar]

40 SANITY DOWN THE DRAIN FOR NOTHING

[latent anvil]

Don't do it

[naive oar]

im going to sleep

god damnit

its 4 am anyway

wtf am i even doing

oh wow i got 1 whole oriron for my troubles

thanks game

[jovial nest]

dude, that just means good news. you found your winning strategy

[naive oar]

strategy?

there was no strategy

just panic redeploying and scraping by

[jovial nest]

even if you think there wasn't, you "winging it" is a skill you slowly improve in this game

[latent anvil]

do it again

[jovial nest]

there's so many "winging it" in AK

especially if the map is formidable

[latent anvil]

Yea this thing is a horror

A bit disturbing

[naive oar]

the worst part is the damn sanity i lost

[jovial nest]

ok now

[naive oar]

cause it was the last damn enemy

feels like a kick in the seeds of decay

[jovial nest]

it's fine, its fine. no need for regret

[latent anvil]

Exactly focus on ur goal

[jovial nest]

ok it's time someone made a map

[latent anvil]

Beat the stage

[naive oar]

im tired im going to sleep

its 2 damn op

[latent anvil]

Er, I meant move past the failure and beat the stage properly oops

[jovial nest]

I need a stage that's just Evocators and Decaying Collectors together just camping with tile bans

[novel pivot]

more enemies means more sp for offensive recovery surely

[jovial nest]

[foggy grove]

if i'm banning yato and texas how anoying will chap 12 be?

[jovial nest]

The best combo.
Let's go. A map with these 2.

[novel pivot]

Did the goofy seed of decay map with archetto and exu

[naive oar]

i honestly dont know how someone is supposed to do ch12 adverse without yalter or texalter

[novel pivot]

Im personally fine with evocators since you can just NG them to oblivion

Meanwhile air enemies suxbols

[latent anvil]

What stage

[jovial nest]

thats why combine them

and you get chef's kiss

and I'm not even saying spawn late

spawn 2 of each early

[latent anvil]

no thanks

[foggy grove]

i think i'm on 12-15 without them so

[novel pivot]

slap with pozy typewriter and call it a day

[naive oar]

good luck in 12-19 adverse

[jovial nest]

use Agents

[foggy grove]

is it time for my puzzle

[novel pivot]

I didnt use canta at all this ch

Flagpipe all da way

[jovial nest]

Flagpipe is kinda ehhhhh until they added Supplies into the picture

[novel pivot]

Thats what the executor duo is for

[latent anvil]

Just ling

[novel pivot]

S*mmoner ops

[foggy grove]

ling doro doro

[novel pivot]

[jovial nest]

If you don't have Tex2 and Ya2, use Phantom.

[latent anvil]

Scene is dummy good too tbh

[jovial nest]

I don't recommend Ling as much

[novel pivot]

Need ya2 to slap air

[jovial nest]

Ya2 went back to S2 due to 12-19

cause Sarkaz Leakers are asking for such slaughter

[cyan gorge]

Yato s3 kills them just as fast

[foggy grove]

i feel dirty using yato/texas
it'll be fun

[jovial nest]

not the red ones

the red ones tank a whole S3

[novel pivot]

play for 3 years as a metaslave

never stop now

[jovial nest]

The red ones need most of the entire duration of her S2M3

and Ya2 kills non-red ones a bit slow if you go S3 (which you will just to help the early drone issues)

[novel pivot]

I didnt use executor to kill the sarkaz in 12-19

[jovial nest]

i saw some use Ines

meh, trust ops strats

[novel pivot]

i used bagpipe s3 and some campers

[jovial nest]

can't be asked to waste more slots

[novel pivot]

surely one day hellagur will find a use in ch 12

[turbid badge]

I was debating on buying his skin

but like

toooo much good skins

at rmthe cornee

[novel pivot]

Swipe

[quick pecan]

the timings on this i mald

@lilac silo rockrock pogger for drones

[cyan gorge]

Rockrock user

[lilac silo]

Sexy

[brazen stream]

my 12-19 :3

12-20

[tidal sedge]

anybody else fking hate this stage

and I dont have stun XD

[turbid badge]

well yhats a skill issi

[proven garnet]

how do i survive the giant pile of aoe casters at the end of the lungmen perma annihilation

its probably not difficult but i'm just wondering

bricc seems to only go down right then

[tidal sedge]

is that anni 2?

[proven garnet]

1 mo

its "lungmen outskirts"

my record is 385

[tidal sedge]

?

[proven garnet]

ye

the focus fire is a little too much for bricc

[latent monolith]

You can use an aoe sniper facing left near the hole tile in order to spawncamp most of them

Still needs good healing but it helps

[proven garnet]

i can probably get a healer there

[latent monolith]

If you have like a horn then you can use her too

[tidal sedge]

what are your ops?

[proven garnet]

all of them or the ones ive been using

[tidal sedge]

?

[proven garnet]

the team of 12 or my entire collection

[tidal sedge]

screenshot if u can plz

[proven garnet]

entire collection requires me to update my krooster

[tidal sedge]

just need built

[proven garnet]

This is who I’ve been using

got me pretty far

[tidal sedge]

where do you normally put firewhistle

[proven garnet]

to the right of the blue box facing left

[tidal sedge]

is she needed there u think?

[proven garnet]

maybe not but im not 100% sure

[cyan gorge]

Right side can be soloed by Rope

[proven garnet]

if anything it's the casters that have low uptime

[proven garnet]

yeah thats why she's in the list

myrtle also gets put over there just to keep her out of the way

and hold up any leaks

havent mastered using firewhistle as an actual blocker

[tidal sedge]

Firewhistle should be able to kill casters on bottom

if you place her either 2 left of hole, or diagnolly down

[latent monolith]

You can try placing firewhistle here if the top lane is not a problem

[proven garnet]

here?

[latent monolith]

and just turn on her skill as the casters start running

[proven garnet]

thats where i put mudrock but tbh theres no reason i cant move the shield wall forward

[tidal sedge]

thats my reccomendation. sharaths is fine too, if you are able to kill the runners if you move ur setup forward

[tidal sedge]

well no actually, right one tile from there

[latent monolith]

Yeah I'd probably move mud one tile forward in that case, assuming bubble was above that tile you can keep her there

[tidal sedge]

also, rather than being cheap with purestream, you probably should just build sussuro or a higher rarity medic

[latent monolith]

Why would using purestream be cheaping out

[tidal sedge]

she is level 1, and there is better options

[latent monolith]

She's basically a sussuroo that gives status resist and has wider range (albeit wanting mod for that high level of hps)

[cyan gorge]

Purestream kinda weak without mod, Sussuro would be better early on

[south bone]

Anyone have tips for 12-13

[latent monolith]

They already have her E1

[proven garnet]

i think this is all the perma spots

tex and yato get moved around

cant remember if i kept amiya between lapp and bubble but if i did she's also facing down

[tidal sedge]

hence "cheaping out"

[latent monolith]

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/camp_02 I'd suggest using this

[proven garnet]

i think i have literally none of those snipers

[tidal sedge]

ye there isnt much reason to not move left bubble and mud in this case

[proven garnet]

yeah i'll give that a crack

[latent monolith]

I think you haven't realised the point of the site

[proven garnet]

oh use the site

thought you were sharing your setup lol

[latent monolith]

Yeah

[proven garnet]

but yeah what usually happens is mudrock gets swamped and the rest go down after that fairly quick

i do have asbestos who i find amusing

[tidal sedge]

place bubble after mud

[proven garnet]

i think i only didnt do that the most recent go at it because bubble has the "target me pls" thing

but other times mudrock was placed literally after myrtle lmao

but yeah thanks ill give this another go

plus that strat uses both halves of firewhistle's archetype

which cant be a bad thing

[tidal sedge]

if you dont have a dp issue btw, you could bring gravel with yato to tank for her

for some casters

[proven garnet]

texas is mainly there for the stuns

on the wraiths

[tidal sedge]

ok

[proven garnet]

there are probably better stunners somewhere in my roster but damned if i know who they are

i'll update my krooster later

[tidal sedge]

click and may are the better 2 for early game

[proven garnet]

i have click but idk may

(currently autoing a level for ore cubes because im being foolish about cement)

(hence my sudden obsession with annihil missions XD)

[tidal sedge]

shes AA sniper. Idk if you should invest in her when you already have kroos alt

[proven garnet]

aa as in antiair?

[cyan gorge]

yes

marksman sniper

[proven garnet]

oh she's her

yeah i have may

[latent monolith]

Having two AA snipers built is generally okay, early game stages can tend to want them

[tidal sedge]

may has better stun on skill, but most times stun is important is more for the proc than the duration and kroos alt does that anyway

[cyan gorge]

May is good to raise in general

solid damage and reliable slow and stun

[proven garnet]

my may is e0 30 pot 2

so ill buff that

[tidal sedge]

hol

i would at least do click over her

[proven garnet]

ok

[tropic valve]

https://youtu.be/z38EaP-0LV8?si=uOCTrCDeR1jCp-SK
if anyone is having issues with 12-20, Elysium S2 is really goated!

@fierce hawk since you asked to pinged

[weak gazelle]

for some reason i really hate this map (11-12 adverse)
force me to bring 10 ops which is stupid

[south bone]

Holy shit finally

[opal kiln]

wait that's literally the cc daily

lmao

[fierce meteor]

You had to kill the twigs in the early game

[weak gazelle]

nah
i like fight them in their strongest form

[weak gazelle]

ohh that map was added as cc daily

[cosmic thicket]

almost but yeah close enough

[fierce hawk]

GOATED THANKS!!!!

[wise perch]

I'm getting rolled by 12-13 wtf

[fierce hawk]

I’ll try using pozy if it works

And SA/mlynar

Got no tequila

[robust hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dress-up-darling-marin-kitagawa-anime-cry-gif-24942970

i hate this shit

wth goin on here

[molten halo]

breaking the top left crate and bottom one just opens up more chaos

[cyan gorge]

Just prevent the top box from being broken

problem is deploying Tex will break the box faster than the enemies hitting it

[flat sapphire]

keep the top left and bottom right supplies to re-route enemies to the middle

[flat sapphire]

it's only the small mobs on the bottom right so it's easy to protect

[robust hemlock]

this hat guys anyway destroy it

[cyan gorge]

Gnosis + Yato s2

[robust hemlock]

dont have ice brained shit

[cyan gorge]

then any slow/bind

[wise perch]

ok I broke the top box intentionally then put lapluma at bottom lane to stop it from breaking

[robust hemlock]

again reed hit a box with passive

omg

why the hell that so hard

[wise perch]

then top lane had push stall

just pulled out the manticore mostima feater + thorns

[rose patrol]

Just realized that i can do lidukeknights

[wise perch]

mostima mod seems to slow the sussy civs as well

wait what's liduke

[robust hemlock]

omg never again

crazy lvl

[cyan gorge]

Ling moment

[sullen rover]

artist

[wise perch]

ah

[robust hemlock]

ling shit

oh....

[cyan gorge]

Then why use her

[robust hemlock]

i through she can be usefull

but no

[cyan gorge]

Ez

Pluma solos left

[molten halo]

You just like me frfr

[robust hemlock]

perfect la pluma/highmore line

[cyan gorge]

Overkill right lane

I just did Gummy and Pallas

[robust hemlock]

u cant say thats overkill if u fkin dont know who gonna be

[cyan gorge]

fair

[polar crane]

why bring mudrock in ch12

[cyan gorge]

You can't even deploy her on 90% of the stages

[ocean jolt]

Yall

I need some help

After the Endfield announcement I decided to play the game again

Sadly I am still stuck on a particular stage

[molten halo]

What stage

[polar crane]

[crisp bolt]

Patrick?

[ocean jolt]

I really dont want to fight him in 3D

I cant even beat him here

[crisp bolt]

penance can solo him

[ocean jolt]

Bold of you to assume I have Penance

[polar crane]

just borrow kal or smt

when endfield release

[cyan gorge]

Mines kills phase 1, Amiya s3 kills phase 2

[tropic valve]

oh boy here I go simping Schwarz again

do you have her for Patriot?

[ocean jolt]

Ive tried using an enmity guard or whatever theyre called

[ocean jolt]

She hasnt come home sadly

[scarlet mortar]

who do you have

[ocean jolt]

Ive also tried using Ifrit but I cant get a good tile placement

[scarlet mortar]

ifrit can't main dps pat

[ocean jolt]

Good to know

I also have Eben and Eyja

[scarlet mortar]

....oh

[ocean jolt]

Look my gacha luck isnt great

[scarlet mortar]

eben buff army time

[sullen rover]

just spam mines

[scarlet mortar]

phase 2 doesn't die instantly to eben but he'll still do a good chunk

[boreal magnet]

this adverse environment is so dumb, how should i deal with the missile cart?

[robust hemlock]

:/idk why but ok

[tropic valve]

yeah can use the mines

[robust hemlock]

spy whats revealed for some reson ignoring block count and go through anyway

[scarlet mortar]

mine abuse moment

[cyan gorge]

Eyja

[scarlet mortar]

which stage

[ocean jolt]

Ill find a way to abuse mines then

I also have Robin and Frost so I can just go ham

[scarlet mortar]

you can kill phase 1 if you spam all the mines

but ehhh

[cyan gorge]

Wrong mines

[boreal magnet]

eyja for the tree or missile cart?

[cyan gorge]

missle tanks

tree can be killed with anyone else

[scarlet mortar]

i'm pretty sure eben takes out enough of pat's hp to save 3-5 mines

add eyja to that as well

[ocean jolt]

Ill need to build Eben more then

[boreal magnet]

s2?

[ocean jolt]

I also have quite a bit of aoe for the other enemies

[scarlet mortar]

eben buff army is incredibly impractical for general boss killing

(as in, it assumes you're already an endgame player)

[boreal magnet]

need to work with agro since my hi ground unit keeps dying

[scarlet mortar]

but when it comes to stat stick bosses it's also a valid option

[ocean jolt]

Ight

Now I got one other question

I got quite a few defenders I can put the blue square

I just gotta work out the best one

[scarlet mortar]

do you have any laneholders

[ocean jolt]

Hoshi seems to do best from my attempts due to thorns

[robust hemlock]

what the.....

what she forget here

[ocean jolt]

I havent played in a while whats a laneholder

Im trying to rember all this as I go

[scarlet mortar]

ops that can deal with enemies without support

[ocean jolt]

Ah

Well I have Hellagur

[scarlet mortar]

mudrock, mountain, thorns, enmity gang

[ocean jolt]

And Mudrock

[scarlet mortar]

ok mudrock

free win

[ocean jolt]

Ok but which lane is best?

[scarlet mortar]

right in front of the box

she deals with everything besides pat

[ocean jolt]

Ok so I can free up another slot for another op

Ty

Illl try to work the rest out myself

[sullen rover]

you can borrow a schwarz she kills pat without mines or any support

[scarlet mortar]

surtr takes two turns but also yh

[ocean jolt]

I gotta see if any of my added friends have her

[scarlet mortar]

one more for phase 2

actually without mines it'd be three

[ocean jolt]

I need to do some grinding

Ill get back to yall if I either beat Pat or need more help

[cyan gorge]

Either s2 or s3, depends on how frequent they spawn

just keep in mind they bombard highest max hp op in range

with about a 4-4.5 tile radius

[scarlet mortar]

the barrages are ST each hit

their attack range, yh 4.5 tiles

[cyan gorge]

arts damage and randomly targets everything in a 3x3 area

[scarlet mortar]

not random

[cyan gorge]

The barrage is random after targetting highest max hp

[scarlet mortar]

the 3x3 is centered around the highest max hp op, each missile targets the highest current hp%

[cyan gorge]

Oh

I forgot about that

[scarlet mortar]

if the highest current hp% op dodges everything you take no damage

[robust hemlock]

seeds? looks like metal plate in face

[tropic valve]

also make sure you have someone to bait the spear throw in phase 2 for patriot

[robust hemlock]

cringe drones

[cyan gorge]

Truly cringe

[latent monolith]

mr lee moment

Can also have mudrock shield absorb a few hits

Wait how does penance interact with it

Does she just eat all of them

[scarlet mortar]

she eats everything if her hp% (the barrier's irrelevant) is the highest

[void fossil]

how the fuck did u guys beat 12-17 the drones keep killing everything except for hoshi and the thing spawning them are tanky wtf

[noble pewter]

I just out range them with normal aa sniper n shoot them till they die

[cyan gorge]

Yato s3 spam with some Ines bind shenanigans

[scarlet mortar]

wait until they're far away, deploy dps and then your tank

then prayge

[latent monolith]

Is it those ball flying kamikaze things?

Lin can absorb most of them without taking damage

[molten halo]

Aoe snipers

[scarlet mortar]

if you have the executor duo this advice is irrelevant

[noble pewter]

The flying kamikaze things also appear to hit random target or nearest target? So if u deploy more ppl the dmg seem spreaded sometimes

[latent monolith]

take lin shining to tank all of them

[scarlet mortar]

their range is kinda small

like 2.5 tiles?

[robust hemlock]

thx lvl not too long

[scarlet mortar]

so they can target different ops yh

[latent monolith]

They are nearest, they just have small ranges and their paths vary a lot

[robust hemlock]

but allready red version appeared here

dreadnought

berserker

omg

why all glasgow so bad?

oh cmoon

how tge hell i suppose to kill it faster then it kills my vangs?

[cyan gorge]

Get a tanky blocker out first

Saria mod y can tank on her own for a few seconds

[robust hemlock]

basically impossible

[tropic valve]

I did Gravel to tank, Schwarz to kill

[robust hemlock]

man.....saria not even used anymore, + she have 22 dp cost

[robust hemlock]

never used this hamster

nowhere

[cyan gorge]

There are crates on top

[tropic valve]

sad prairie dog noises

[robust hemlock]

i see but problem not in them

[cyan gorge]

use a agent to break them for free dp

[robust hemlock]

of fkkkkk

[cyan gorge]

Increased cap > place Saria then Pozy

[robust hemlock]

fun fact i rlly cry about difficult lvl but i just dont liaten what u say all xD cz with my strategy and my mental i juat never gonna pick some ops even if they can help me in lvl

[tropic valve]

lmao based

[cyan gorge]

whatever man

[robust hemlock]

and anyway

they are not even raised

[scarlet mortar]

that max pot cantabile is crying

[robust hemlock]

and saribruh not even have a module and cost 22

[robust hemlock]

ye cringe op

[scarlet mortar]

L

[cyan gorge]

I bought Saria mod just for that stage

[tropic valve]

sadge, Canta was really nice in this chapter

[robust hemlock]

and im allready throw her away a waaay long time ago when take mud

[scarlet mortar]

she (now replaced by ines) and bag is almost foolproof for stage openers

[robust hemlock]

i see no use in others

[tropic valve]

it's good to have multiple options available though

[scarlet mortar]

flagpipe's kinda murdered by chapter 12, ines+bag works fine

the one based thing abt this chapter

[cyan gorge]

I did Ines and Texas all chapter

[robust hemlock]

never gonna pull or use bagpipe

cringe

[scarlet mortar]

based opinion

[cyan gorge]

Bag was never necessary outside CC anyways

[scarlet mortar]

i bring her when i don't want to bring guards

vg's in general are overrated

just spend DP better

[robust hemlock]

where description huh?

[robust hemlock]

fr

im all game with only myrtle and flame

[scarlet mortar]

i ated it sorry

[robust hemlock]

and thats enough for me

tries to use smting else just bad ending for lvl

[robust hemlock]

ah wait thats no description for agent

thats module slots

wich dont opened yet

[robust hemlock]

shit

i cant even place nothing

they all just die instantly

[vernal lion]

damn Mlynar-Blemi banner next

[glass monolith]

Maybe deploying Pozy as your 5th operator when you get rushed by this meme was bad idea

[robust hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-slow-loop-koharu-gif-25050167

omg next lvls just pain in ass

how the hell i should kill oneshoters drones?

[glass monolith]

From as far as possible

Pozy extra tile from S3 + typowriter, Goldenglow S3

[vernal lion]

Exu killed it perfectly

[cyan gorge]

12-19 is only hard when not abusing Tex + Yato

[glass monolith]

I didn't abuse any limited OP and almost ate s- against 12-20

[cyan gorge]

I don't have that kind of willpower

spin 2 win too fun

[glass monolith]

I prefer to avoid using overpowered units to feel good about doing content without them

Until some shit like DoS, POO, RA come with such degree of memes i just say F this and send Chalter farm Clash of Clans

[cyan gorge]

I don't worry about that when doing first clears, would rather speedrun the rewards

[crisp bolt]

That's what I did

[vernal lion]

also if you want civilians aren't a problem, just camp bot

[scarlet mortar]

kid named specknights trio

[vernal lion]

ez

no tex or yato

ppl just being brainded with executor

[cyan gorge]

I mean I can probably do with without executors, but too lazy

and why would I not use ops I saved for months to get

[heady hedge]

cuz not a bird

[cyan gorge]

I'll do birds when I'm not lazy

[vernal lion]

just do angel

[waxen kelp]

Any reason you're in practice mode?

[vernal lion]

I finished chapter 12

[waxen kelp]

Ah, got it

[robust hemlock]

ok im done

now im RLLY dont fkin understand whats goin on

[cyan gorge]

It makes it easier if you spawncamp left

[glass monolith]

"Do you bleed? You will" moment

[vernal lion]

no, you don't

wait for chapter 13

[cyan gorge]

2 more hours till I can start Ines m6

[glass monolith]

You can rush 1 top left box for DP. Drop blockers on right of blue boxes. Boss will go long way into right (but his future copies will engage DP boxes on left). You can block shit on left to find civs, kill sus and shit. At some point there will be invisible sus trying to flank boxes on left anyway. Suffer

[robust hemlock]

fukin bag of nothing

who the hell said that she can do amting?

[glass monolith]

DUDE WHY?

Don't touch those boxes right away, it is so cringe to hold

[cyan gorge]

Camp harder

[glass monolith]

My Ptilo just retired and wasn't murdered because this idiot don't know how boss global nuke works

[robust hemlock]

I FKIN CANT SEE NOTHING HERE

wtf happened hello

where the fuck my dp

[cyan gorge]

The guys on the right side corners steal dp

you didn't camp hard enough

[glass monolith]

Uh... You didn't block boss clone boss immortal while clone is not revealed and boss clones rush boxes so you F- up

"It is feature"

[vernal lion]

if you complain about 12-20, just remember,
h13-4 only gives you 30s to prepare

[glass monolith]

So it is remake of H9-6?

[vernal lion]

and even worse

[glass monolith]

And 30 seconds is all time i need

[cyan gorge]

30 sec with Ines + Bag flag?

Ez

[glass monolith]

Top side looks Ez. Just weedy everything away from respawn towers

[robust hemlock]

not my issue

that i dont have dp for stall him with 36 dp mud

20 max

[cyan gorge]

Then don't use Mud

You can't even get 36 dp until boss phase 2

[glass monolith]

Imagine using Mud to stall boss who apply corruption for DEF reduction

[somber falcon]

Damazti stall is hella low maintenance anyways

[glass monolith]

If you not idiot like me who managed to lose AH squad to him (without Spalter so i guess i had less abuseable max HP)

[somber falcon]

[cyan gorge]

I facetanked with Blemi

[vernal lion]

no joke but, Fang with a strong healer can stall it without issue

Vigna works too

[robust hemlock]

oh fk oh FK

idk what to do im rlly done allready

[glass monolith]

You know there is phase 2?
You know phase 2 gain funny skill?

[cyan gorge]

Mud is a liability bro

[robust hemlock]

i dont care about useless boss who do nothing

im tired of mobs here and dp limit

[glass monolith]

Look him get killer queened

[vernal lion]

boss has 2 phases? no
boss has additional 2 mini phases? yes

and I'm sure someone one is gonna be got "eaten" by the boss

just like Endspeaker

[cyan gorge]

Man I can't wait for SN rerun

gonna bird the whole thing

[glass monolith]

I don't have auton on boss stage....

Only part i recall of SN is i did phantom S2 to red boxx phase 1

[fringe jackal]

finally beat the fucking boss on adverse 12-20

[glass monolith]

Good. He will have rematch in H stages

[fringe jackal]

it's over...

it's over.... for me

[robust hemlock]

WHAT THE FUCK

how i suppose to block them all

[fringe jackal]

I know right

[cyan gorge]

Don't let the crates on blue box break

[robust hemlock]

almost but anyway

[fringe jackal]

but btw there's a phase where you can undeploy units

[west kraken]

For 12-15 do I need to spawncamp the enemy spawn on the right

The moment those search deniers come onto the screen you just...lose

This is just bad game design if you cant do anything to block against searches

[fringe jackal]

you can also deploy another unit after it's identified and right after it has turned into an enemy

[glass monolith]

My exact reaction when it clicked what i have only 8 deployment slots

[fringe jackal]

I managed that somehow because I had no idea what a search denier was

[west kraken]

You cant even block them bruh

[glass monolith]

You can block boss, but civilians trash your block count

[fringe jackal]

if they have been highlighted, usually I see them turn into enemies after a while even if unblockable
unfortunately, they tend to turn into enemies right after they get into your box

and then it's over

[weak gazelle]

there is a thing called crowd control skill
bind, stun, sleep, or shift them

[west kraken]

The map isnt even that long

[fringe jackal]

a single thorns can hold the lane in the bottom left so it will give you more units for spawncamping or whatnot on the top and upper right

[glass monolith]

This map is b- of maps

[vernal lion]

you need to block them there tho, because the Instigator will let the civis walk through your op

break the box and deploy your best healer defender

[glass monolith]

Just block 2 inversitageotr on bottom right, who spawn after 2 1000 damage casters guarantee you have no operators there anymore

[vernal lion]

they got buff 20% def, but their def stat is just 150-200

but double hp is real issue here

9000 x 2 and 12000 x 2

[weak gazelle]

how much hp they have?

thats average

[west kraken]

Ok I managed that map was dumb

[foggy grove]

not as dumb as me bombarding them with horn

when i could have just block

[cyan gorge]

It gets dumber

[foggy grove]

i'm gonna do 18
i heard 19 is awful

[west kraken]

That said im just playing on regular difficulty, idk whats gonna happen on the expert when 2 enemy casters and 2 anti searches spawn back to back

[weak gazelle]

try it maybe you like 12-19 instead

[cyan gorge]

Ngl I found 18 more cringe

[glass monolith]

AE is not CM, he will be YEET back to 12-1

[weak gazelle]

like i did when trying finish ch 11
wonder why so easy and at 11-13 realize i play at story lvl

[novel pivot]

Blaze and saria users invalidating all of right lane in 12-20

thorns and saria not sure

had to use hellakek to block

[vernal lion]

me, when I found best tactic:

[glass monolith]

DOOR STUCK

[wise perch]

wait wtf lol 12-13 normal is completely different from AE

[fringe jackal]

if I had a mountain or a saria or a hoshi or a thorns...

[robust hemlock]

my head allready hurt

[novel pivot]

I did that but with blaze

[robust hemlock]

what yhe hell i can else find from cheap aoe with blocks???

[wise perch]

flametail

[glass monolith]

One of features of AE is they can do that shit now

[wise perch]

I love it tbh

[crisp bolt]

Yeah they just change the maps

[halcyon adder]

Say if I am short on module blocks and can only do one which one should I do for A15? Lin module level 3( currently level 2),kal modx level 2( currently level 1),Schwarz anti Dodge module unlock(her other module is unlocked at level one).

[cyan gorge]

Gavalter/Blaze are cheap enough

just break 1 crate from top left

not both

[tropic valve]

I would do Kal > Schwarz > Lin in this case

[crisp bolt]

Kal modx?

[halcyon adder]

I see. Thnx

[tropic valve]

the double stun changes so much in IS3

[crisp bolt]

Oh I thought it was to lvl 3

[halcyon adder]

Can mon3r stun highmore?

[tropic valve]

yep

2 -> 3 just gives you a slightly longer stun but it's not as important

[halcyon adder]

Nice

It's getting really difficult at A13 already

[wise perch]

me omw to abuse double freeze time with gnosis

[tropic valve]

yep it's not easy

but it gets better as you recognize how to beat each map

[celest solstice]

how to do 12-20, I eventually just have my entire defense go KABOOM after what the 3rd resurrection?

[cyan gorge]

Blaze and a medic defender can hold right side

[wise perch]

spot the odd one out

[celest solstice]

I wonder who

[celest solstice]

then

[cyan gorge]

Also bring a wandering medic if you have one

[celest solstice]

ah right Mostima has no module, YET

[wise perch]

surprised you aren't using a single vanguard tbh

[halcyon adder]

Lot of interactions change

[tropic valve]

https://youtu.be/z38EaP-0LV8 you can try something like this; the 3rd resurrection kills an isolated operator, and after that you can hold the bosses in place with a Wandering Medic + Defender

[celest solstice]

what I removed myrtle

give me a moment

[wise perch]

a

[cyan gorge]

Yeah you need vgs

[celest solstice]

I didnt notice I removed it

[robust hemlock]

i hate this chapter

one cheap enemy leaked

[wise perch]

rip

[robust hemlock]

2 last lvls are pain

[wise perch]

me when the stages are actually hard cus the chapter mechanics punish rarity abuse

[cyan gorge]

Idk I enjoyed the mechanics

[wise perch]

yeah no I like them

[tropic valve]

same

[wise perch]

not shitting on them lol they're great

[robust hemlock]

should i...im not sure

[cyan gorge]

My only gripe the last 2 chapter are pretty brutal for Penance

[wise perch]

surprisingly had a better time in some stages downgrading ops to allow for looser timings

[robust hemlock]

im not even sure need i her or no

[cyan gorge]

Not needed but she's undeniably the best vg right now

[robust hemlock]

there no invis enemies pretty much everywhere

and agent class just trolls

[surreal relic]

There's no need to E1 max 6* if you don't plan to E2 them soon

[cyan gorge]

Yes invis reveal, bind, atk steal, and invisibility in the same kit is troll

[celest solstice]

just watched, how do I get rid of the ones going through the middle

who do I use

I feel like mountain and hibiscus will do fine

[tropic valve]

I used Tequila in the video but a lot of ops can do it

just make sure you don't accidentally hit the roadblocks yourself

I think 1 Texalter deployment does it too

unless you're talking about the Trilby Ashers

[halcyon adder]

Boss was easier than I expectee

High hp yes

[tropic valve]

those guys won't die to 1 Texalter

[halcyon adder]

But easily tankable

[robust hemlock]

big question....whats next? i mean...i deel nothing from clearing this chap at all

its just regular chap but with own bad mechanic what do almost nothing

[cyan gorge]

H stages next week

[north widget]

People don't reroll for ines as beginners

[robust hemlock]

but brainfuck with rarity killing cz big cost

[fierce meteor]

Dude didn't win with 3 stars

[robust hemlock]

only 2 last stages

[celest solstice]

nah the spies going towards the base from the left

[fierce meteor]

Oh I didn't see that's it's the adverse

[novel ocean]

You get 40 originium prime from 3 starring all stages though

[vernal lion]

you didn't identify them, did you?

[robust hemlock]

well...

and i take harmonie skin for some reason

[novel ocean]

See

[celest solstice]

well I couldnt

[robust hemlock]

idk why but she cute why not

[celest solstice]

everything was at the right side

[tropic valve]

yeah my first Tequila deployment gets rid of them; another thing that works is Elysium S2 reveal + Firewatch S2, but Firewatch doesn't bring much value in the rest of the stage so I didn't end up bringing her

[novel ocean]

You got 36 OP,you would be completely broke otherwise

[tropic valve]

Silverash S3 is another way

[celest solstice]

I have silverash which can work

cant I use s1?

[tropic valve]

you want S3 so he catches all of them

[celest solstice]

ah

facing left Im assuming

[tropic valve]

yeah

Silverash also gets rid of all 4 Trilby Ashers in phase 2

[celest solstice]

so where do I place em

[fierce meteor]

I'm broke because I got Ines but I couldn't upgrade her to E2

[celest solstice]

blaze and a medic defender on the right side with schwarz and eyja for more damage, mountain and elysium middle with ansel healing, then what

[cyan gorge]

Imagine not stocking mats all through cc

[glass monolith]

I stocked 4k red certs

[celest solstice]

something like this I suppose

[cyan gorge]

Yeah e1 Nearl won't be enough

[foggy grove]

the flying thing is a menace

[celest solstice]

well thats my strongest medic defender

[tropic valve]

team looks good to me

do you have a wandering medic

[cyan gorge]

Then you need an extra medic for her or bring Silence

[celest solstice]

ceylon but not leveled

[tropic valve]

not mandatory but they help since boss deals corrosion

ceylon is a therapist, not a wandering medic

[cyan gorge]

Wandering, not therapist

[celest solstice]

ah wait my bad

I know I have one, just not leveled

[cyan gorge]

Mulberry or Honeyberry

[tropic valve]

ok no worries

[celest solstice]

I also have silence but also not leveled

[tropic valve]

corrosion will eventually lower your defenses but you can swap bodies to mitigate that

[vernal lion]

if you don't have wandering medic, just make sure any medic with enough hps > boss dps is fine

[robust hemlock]

i just yato them from s2

[celest solstice]

idk what the boss dps is

[cyan gorge]

Drop Mizuki and Shamare for medics tbh

[celest solstice]

ptilo and reed are my only good medics

wait I didnt add hibiscus

[cyan gorge]

those are good

[celest solstice]

oh ok

wait thats adverse

[tropic valve]

that maps aren't that different right?

[celest solstice]

something like this ig?

[tropic valve]

especially if you don't let the middle roadblocks break

yeah

[candid bridge]

why the hell did the spy go thru my operator that doesn't block anything bru

[celest solstice]

theres an enemy that says no u and lets the spy pass if its not dead or blocked

tell me I was frustrated for 30 minutes

[halcyon adder]

Need to kill that one asap

[vernal lion]

kill, or block these guys asap

[candid bridge]

ooo

aight ty

I didn't read the that enemy's desc 💀

[wise perch]

how many times can you fail adverse before they stop giving u a free pass

[cyan gorge]

Infinite as long as event is active

[wise perch]

damn wow ok

time to stop using practice mode

[glass monolith]

It is "infinite" till you win

[robust hemlock]

reed paradise

[glass monolith]

You won and refund goes bye on that stage

[glass monolith]

"Tell me you are getting Lin module without telling"

[robust hemlock]

[vernal lion]

gonna love the permit tho

[celest solstice]

I give up on 12-20

[tropic valve]

rip

try again tomorrow perhaps

[fierce meteor]

Standard or adverse?

[celest solstice]

standard

my ops just

die

when the doppel explodes when his doppel is out and I kill them both

[fierce meteor]

Standard is easy for me,just lazy to do the adverse because they don't give lmd

[celest solstice]

ah yes english

yeah, when the doppel is out and I kill them both

my team just goes poof

[fierce meteor]

The boss?

[celest solstice]

yes

[fierce meteor]

I see

[celest solstice]

when its on its 2nd? third life?

idk I dont keep track

[fierce meteor]

He has 2 lives

[celest solstice]

yeah on his second life

[fierce meteor]

I'm broke but here is my team for the level and I add texalter for the support slot

[tropic valve]

it helps a lot to finish the stage first before worrying about the boss

[celest solstice]

I did

I stalled out the boss

~~only to get smacked by the explosion

[crisp bolt]

[tropic valve]

huh the explosion shouldn't do that much

[crisp bolt]

I don't even know what explosion you're talking about

[celest solstice]

whatever my ops just

die

hp drained

[fierce meteor]

They are maybe talking about when the boss died the first time

[crisp bolt]

I just placed ops and the boss died

[celest solstice]

poof that entire section died

[tropic valve]

the explosion does have cross-shaped aoe on each target I believe

so many you need to keep your ranged units non-adjacent

since those are more fragile

[crisp bolt]

Are we talking about the 50% phase 2 thing?

[celest solstice]

ah right I did reach that

[tropic valve]

for example, in my video I intentionally put no one next to Schwarz or Mulberry

[celest solstice]

once, only to die

[crisp bolt]

Since you can just bait that

[vernal lion]

I think he means this explosion

[tropic valve]

yeah you can see the cross-shape

[crisp bolt]

I legit don't remember that

[vernal lion]

basically, Talulah vibe

[tropic valve]

in this formation silverash is taking the most (4 hits) but since he's a melee unit and being healed by multiple it's fine

[glass monolith]

More like IS2 ending 4 vibe because shit is global

[vernal lion]

joke aside, it almost killed a max Myrtle

if you put 2 or more together, everyone is just died lol

[glass monolith]

And H12-4 is reduced CD of that shit

[jovial nest]

time to do 12-20. Thank god there's no drone spawns.
I can imagine H maps with the boss has them

[foggy grove]

i need to wait for sanity

[tropic valve]

yeah red drones would have made 12-20 really fun

[jovial nest]

wow 12-20 is rough. Welp. time to finally read what Damatzi does.

[tropic valve]

it's an essay

[jovial nest]

holy shit

[tropic valve]

[jovial nest]

also needing somewhat of like 3 lanes to defend means i have to strip out my trust ops

[tropic valve]

well, there are 2 lanes if you don't break any boxes

but also a boss whom you may want to stall separately

[jovial nest]

a Damatzi goes to 1 of the lanes in front

unless i kill that, there will be a hole

[tropic valve]

true

[jovial nest]

so i guess I'll have to solve that

wow they instayeet an isolated ally

putting into play their role in the story

[tropic valve]

I THINK the lore explanation is that, that operator was an impostor all along

and you didn't actually bring them in the squad?

[noble pewter]

But damatzi said our vetting procedures r solid n he didn't infiltrated the landship or our operators

[jovial nest]

Thank god they share HP. I just need to kill the Ashers.

[tropic valve]

hmm that's true

idk then

[jovial nest]

done

[tropic valve]

congrats

[jovial nest]

having to defend multiple fronts a lot required me to remove my trust ops

[glass monolith]

Required me to use my brain, which was just a suggestion and I brute forced by nuking boss with Lin in last part

[crisp bolt]

am I going to regret not getting s3m3 on ng once h12-4 comes out?

[jovial nest]

good thing they didn't make the boss too dangerous

it's already a handful trying to maintain its multiple bodies and having to "uncloak" his other bodies

[jovial nest]

when i meant lore implications, it's them making the Ch10 infiltration a boss mechanic

as in the target operator gets permabanned and turned into the 3rd body

don't forget. Damatzi is the reason why the underground base fell

the combo of a very convincing mimic turned spy and a one-shotting Vampire

[glass monolith]

(Shall we tell him boss is physical outside of single aoe skill and discounter spalter phase change?)
Also fuck it Arknemy is dead, where to loop up enemy abilities i am not going to parse raw code listed on ark-night

[crisp bolt]

talking about for the phase change

[jovial nest]

NG S3M3 has always been worth it for hardier content

[crisp bolt]

the cross attack thing does arts damage

and in H stage it does more damage

[glass monolith]

no in H stages he spam it more often

i think

[crisp bolt]

H stage also buffs boss stats

so maybe that also gets buffed?

[glass monolith]

Understandable

[north widget]

unable to finish 9-10

this is my squad

[proud mulch]

OH MY FKIN GOD

I ONLY

KNOW THAT IF U CLEAR AE THEY CLEAR STANDARD FOR YOU AT CHAPTER 12

AM I

[noble pewter]

But doesn't unlock auto clear for standard, so maybe u will still want do standard for faster clears n faster auto

[jovial nest]

iirc there's a near minute improvements of drop rates in adverse

if your team can handle it, just go for it

[foggy grove]

there is no evidence that adverse has better rate yet
since the diff is still on the margin of error

[jovial nest]

in terms of convenience, heh, cleared adverse without friend support

auto fulfilled

[vernal lion]

I will never forgive who designed this stage

[deft badger]

so its blemi because why not, why would u future mlynar in yellow certs if u can put a blemi in it xD

[glass monolith]

Because we cant go against pattern of 3

Unless it is Saga, then we can delay her till next year

[deft badger]

bro i don't remember the last time i saw something i wanted for certs.. maybe last year as far i remember surtr

[tidal sedge]

You are joking

[remote ice]

They even put it on floor 5

[glass monolith]

Tequila issue

oh wait it is red

Damn tail and hoody

[tidal sedge]

He attacked before she couldve activated S1

[wise perch]

wait I love this stage

but that's cus my high ass does Texalter start

[vernal lion]

that's D10 with no tree skill

[glass monolith]

I won't even ask why i will just clap in background

[tidal sedge]

Not so slick this time

[tidal sedge]

next stage is ambusher party lol

[glass monolith]

He is not aware

[tidal sedge]

I am now

how to speedrun Manfred on this stage?

[glass monolith]

Well reasonable human being abuse NTR S3

Me being myself and well, abusing sanity shield of chapter release did some RNG bullshit which shouldn't work but did

[tidal sedge]

can it one cycle both stages?

[glass monolith]

His phase change is so fucking long that it will end and return

probably

Just make sure to bring medics for NTR

[tidal sedge]

alright

aint no one got s3 in support bruh

time for my favorite strategy

postpone it for tomorrow™️

[latent anvil]

if ur still alive today I can give

[tidal sedge]

50 active friends sorry

its ok

[latent anvil]

all good

[tidal sedge]

if all else fails, i can always resort to guides

I managed to find one but she was nowhere enough to solo him even maxed so its no use anyway

[vernal lion]

POV: you're dead.

[latent anvil]

Is it hard mode

[flint laurel]

kal s3?

[vernal lion]

yes

[flint laurel]

also dude is pretty easy to stall

[tidal sedge]

ntrk s3, he is not the problem the aoe damage he gives to the monsters is

[flint laurel]

he gives aoe?

wait wait this is chp what again

[vernal lion]

@latent anvil

one punch man

[latent anvil]

I need to farm highest dmg on that thing

[vernal lion]

this is still lacking

[tidal sedge]

chapter 10, h10-3

[flint laurel]

wait wait how does he gives aoe dmg?

i didnt remember dude having any aoe on that matter

[latent monolith]

When manfred is alive all the slugs and stuff that turns into slugs gain an aoe arts aura

[flint laurel]

why not use aoe healer or kill the slugs itself?

[latent monolith]

you can but that doesn't change the fact that it is a lot of damage

[soft crystal]

Cause the aoe damage stacks when they overlap and its hard to keep up with most healers

[latent monolith]

a horde of 90% DR slugs isn't that easy to kill anyways

[flint laurel]

surtr?

[latent monolith]

and yeah the dot stacks

[flint laurel]

huh i havent done H10 stages

[latent monolith]

It's 5% of his atk every 0.5 seconds on each slug

[soft crystal]

Ng and ptilo can keep up with it

[latent monolith]

He has 1440 atk in H10-3

144 arts dps per slug

[flint laurel]

ok yeah fair enough

thats big

[latent monolith]

If you've seen H10-3 there's also a shitton of slugs so

[tidal sedge]

i'll try her when I attempt the stage again cause the slugs will stack block on her, still need more dmg or healing on the other side

[latent anvil]

That stage I just stack medics on hoshi somewhere on middle right

[flint laurel]

opinion for all H10 stages

do i even need eyja?

she seems useless against the high res enemies

[tidal sedge]

she can do the slugs

[flint laurel]

yatoalter can do that better

[tidal sedge]

but she can do it at once if theyre cluttered

[flint laurel]

imma just use specter instead

[flint laurel]

gladiia can do that

[tidal sedge]

does she deal enough damage with s3?

[flint laurel]

she can clutter

[tidal sedge]

ah

[flint laurel]

yatoalter finishes the job

[tidal sedge]

eyja would be good on h10-3 ngl

[gleaming lodge]

That's the point of all casters

And that's why they are bad

Even Ifrit fell off

[tidal sedge]

Surtr is the best caster

[gleaming lodge]

Yes

And Texas alter

[tidal sedge]

Surtr + Ifrit is lowkey disgusting if theres a lane

[gleaming lodge]

Yes

But that got a bit old

Ifrit needs a bit too much babysitting to be relevant in high risk nowadays

[tidal sedge]

less than Fia

[flint laurel]

fia doesnt even have a chance

[tidal sedge]

i always give her a chance

then switch to someone else

[flint laurel]

still good in sniperknights high risk

[tidal sedge]

she is the best artilleryman after all

[jovial nest]

the older you are, the more old ops you want are already obtained, the less shoperators are bought.

most of those will go to HH permit buying per month

[flint laurel]

ok as expected, the team fail

[tidal sedge]

told you to leave eyja

[vernal lion]

GG instead of Fartooth

smh

[flint laurel]

i dont use eyja

i replace eyja with specter

[tidal sedge]

thats why you fail

[flint laurel]

anyway time to get serious

just messing around before

[tidal sedge]

time to get serious
switches Skadi with Texalt

[glass monolith]

Time to get serious - Equip S2 on SA

[flint laurel]

i dont have texalt

i mean as in using brain

[tidal sedge]

so Ling?

[flint laurel]

no

[glass monolith]

Lin? 🐀

[flint laurel]

as in understanding the stage

the enemies wave

the mechanics

do you guys not use this?

[glass monolith]

Mechanics - It sucks

[flint laurel]

its fun

[glass monolith]

It is fun but not chapter 12

[flint laurel]

i like hard stages

i havent played chp12

[tidal sedge]

if the latter bosses werent so bullshit, i would

[glass monolith]

Wait for DoS stages

[flint laurel]

i want to read the story

whats DoS stages?

[glass monolith]

Good idea because i too want to know why red weeb is relevant after GG side story

[flint laurel]

whats dos stages?

[tidal sedge]

design of strife, coming to replace contingency contract as a new game mode

[vernal lion]

not really lol

[tidal sedge]

cc13 confirmed?

[vernal lion]

yes

or you can say, cc1

[tidal sedge]

how come?

[vernal lion]

What the Firelight Casts (Eblana) theme

[tidal sedge]

do not look up what Eblan means in russian

[flint laurel]

wow

ranged ops really are useless

idk why but i feel like i need a lot of aoe