strategy

[glass monolith]

Chapter where one of commonest elites has 1500 DEF.... Hm... Let me bring sniper really quick

[wise perch]

I ended up using glaadia s1 to pull them backwards so they don't just walk to my blue box

[solar spindle]

sometime 0 block is useful

[wise perch]

but it's really scuffed

[verbal sparrow]

the surprising star of this chapter is Archetto
Her dual-targetting S3 is perfect for the splitcaster. I just used her on a whim and lol she murdered everything

[sullen rover]

works perfectly fine to me

[wise perch]

cus like on the 12-10 EX stage they block off all the tiles which u can block those guys with

[wise perch]

yea cus he's literally standing there

they start doing this thing called walking later on

[verbal sparrow]

I don't remember the last time I used archetto tbh but hey she's still going

[sullen rover]

yeah did you not spawnkill them

lol

all of them stand there for a while for you to kill them lol

[crisp bolt]

depends. His s2 is the stun but also makes his atk interval 3 sec while his s3 is his big hp ability + self healing

[wise perch]

idk at some point krooster kinda just died

[sullen rover]

did you not put any healers

[wise perch]

oh I'm on EX btw

[solar spindle]

just get a medicc asap

[crisp bolt]

for a majority of the bosses if you're trying to use hoederer you run s3 + pocket healer

[sullen rover]

it works the same on adverse i used the same thing and it works fine

[solar spindle]

so whgat u rates him

mid?

[crisp bolt]

I personally don't rate him highly because he's crusher but he's usable

[wise perch]

yeah maybe I should have given her a healer

[solar spindle]

true

[wise perch]

the only healer I brought was kalstit

[sullen rover]

hes mid tier

[solar spindle]

[sullen rover]

average i guess

[turbid badge]

Ines ✅ W ❌

[solar spindle]

he is like doing thing that other op can do but abit scuffed

[verbal sparrow]

One day we'll get all true damage enemies and people will regret mocking crushers

[solar spindle]

[turbid badge]

its okay

ill just

[sullen rover]

kill them with mlynar

[crisp bolt]

once that happens, I'll start coping Hoshi modx

[solar spindle]

the canon ch10

[north widget]

is ines TOp tier

[solar spindle]

can hoshi dodge true dmg?

[crisp bolt]

not top but strong

[turbid badge]

yea

[solar spindle]

uhh yes

[turbid badge]

shes a rare one

indont think crossiant can dodge true damage

with her talent

[solar spindle]

for but idk about other ppl rate her

[north widget]

but she's not the same tier as kirin r yato ig

[solar spindle]

shes has good utility

good dmg

[crisp bolt]

croissant talent specifically says phys and arts damage

[solar spindle]

wait

can hoshi dodge the canon in ch10

[sullen rover]

yes

[crisp bolt]

yes

[solar spindle]

bruh

[turbid badge]

do Primal caster

and ritualist

have elemental resistance

[weak gazelle]

no idea

[crisp bolt]

they don't as far as I know

[fierce hawk]

Yes

[crisp bolt]

I don't think they've added elemental resist into the game fully

at least not to any enemies yet

[turbid badge]

doesnt dods boss have some

[solar spindle]

funny how we getting the gimmick that we use to hate
element dmg

[turbid badge]

ddos

or smth

[solar spindle]

truly crusher 6* moment

[crisp bolt]

dos boss didn't have any it looks like

[north widget]

who are the best operators for factory

[solar spindle]

there is many i think

[crisp bolt]

factory?

as in base?

[north widget]

yes yes yes

[crisp bolt]

that's more of a #help question but there's some early ops you can get for factory

I don't have the image

[jovial nest]

ok I'm curious. Anybody here hate 12-17 Adverse as much as me?

[crisp bolt]

I hate it as well

not as much as 12-19 though

[solar spindle]

honeslty

i clear all stage until 12 20 without notice

[jovial nest]

I'm impressed this didn't make you blink
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597785444220941/1166761825266835496/image.png?ex=654baaa0&is=653935a0&hm=797011261dbc58bdabbe59a6d7d82090badf997ba3a4e4f36a7b056fbfb4dde8&

[solar spindle]

iirc i bring chen guard to kill drones in 12 17

[waxen swan]

Those things have old stage boss defense lol

[crystal cargo]

Funny strategy

[tidal sedge]

@vivid rain use lappland on left with kroos
right use specter amiya right
borrow ntrk s3 and heal her so she 1cycle boss 1st phase
use pillars to kill phase 2
use side pillars on gargoyels

[vivid rain]

Ok noted

TECHNICALLY i do have an ifrit but no idea where i would even put her sooo

[tidal sedge]

if you have extra deploy limit, rather than healing left also, I would just place mountain last, in front of lappy so he tanks and laneholds. lappy will full focus levitating

[tidal sedge]

I dont think she will be needed unless loose side pillars befor gargoyles

[vivid rain]

Most of my issues comes from lapp either killing the gargoyale too quickly or the left side absolutely crumbling because the floating guys leak

Actually maybe i could use a second sniper for that

Oh wait i could just instakill the gargoyale with yalter

Im an idiot

[tidal sedge]

the left side is more dependent if you can kill levitate dudes with only lapp

[shy escarp]

Dude why don't u have her in ur lineup lmao

[vivid rain]

Uh idk

I didnt feel like using yato and texas for evrything in existence

[shy escarp]

Agreed, both make the game too easy

[vivid rain]

That being said this stage has taken a bit too long so i should back down a little

She is one of my few e2 so i should prob use her here

[tidal sedge]

this strat should work well without them anyway

[vivid rain]

Yeah im prob just overkilling right side a bit (i use support chalter for it)

[tidal sedge]

but why ? wtf

[crystal cargo]

How do I knock down the pillars

[tidal sedge]

lower their hp,
they only get knocked down when hit by on op in the surrounding 4 tiles
after the hp reaches 0

[crystal cargo]

No like

Which direction

Do I knock them down because my strat isn’t working

[tidal sedge]

the one left of red box can be knocked right

[shy escarp]

Cursed h stage

[tidal sedge]

and you can make them go around far right

[silent spear]

Wait, can dorothy's traps reveal the civilians?

[crisp bolt]

yes

[silent spear]

How does that work

[crisp bolt]

[silent spear]

It's a trap though...

[crisp bolt]

it's a trap that can see

[silent spear]

[crisp bolt]

don't underestimate dorothy's genius

[silent spear]

Then can Ambriel see the entire map

[crystal cargo]

Ok thanks

Then I don’t knock down the one on the right of red box

[silent spear]

Wait no I don't think gg can

[crisp bolt]

no because global range counts as 0 range technically

though ambriel specifically will still be able to see within normal range during skill

[tidal sedge]

you could use it in a tight situation, just make sure to delete it afterward

[crisp bolt]

as I don't believe her normal vision range disappears during that

[silent spear]

Did Ines powercreep Cantabile

[crisp bolt]

it's a 6* vs a 5*

I'm not sure on the dp aspect but ines just does more damage

[silent spear]

[crystal cargo]

Alr

[tidal sedge]

canta better for general dp gen only

[crisp bolt]

who needs to dp gen when they're already dead

[wise perch]

small issue
Ines kills stuff too fast so less dp lol

[verbal sparrow]

How are bombs smarter than humans

[sullen rover]

absolutely

[steep robin]

is this squad good enough for 7-18? i always get one shot by patriot, is there a good support unit i should pick?

[cursive rain]

So can Ines only steal the target's attack within 5 seconds? Or can she indefinitely steal their attack if the enemy doesn't die

[tidal sedge]

texalt s2 can solo him

[verbal sparrow]

Don't let patriot hit you in melee. He's slow

[sullen rover]

im psure the atk steal stays until either ines or the enemy is dead

[tidal sedge]

just guard box, and spam patriot with texalter + mines

[verbal sparrow]

You can also just borrow a surtr for even quicker finish

[cursive rain]

But how much does she steal in total?

[shy escarp]

Penance solo lmao

[sullen rover]

90 iirc

[verbal sparrow]

100
https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/Ines

[sullen rover]

100 is pot5

[cursive rain]

I mean yeah but... oh i thought the 90 atk stacks everytime she attacks

[tidal sedge]

she steals 90 per enemy, if they dont die, then she will keep 90

[crisp bolt]

that'd be busted

[tidal sedge]

when they die, or ines leaves, she will loose the 90

[cursive rain]

Yeah makes sense. But thank you

[tidal sedge]

it does stack

[crisp bolt]

imagine ines with infinite atk scaling

she'd be able to solo everything at that point

[steep robin]

I can't find a strong enough Surtr or Penance in support units to be able to solo him with them

[shy escarp]

Just mines-texalter 2nd u can burst him that way

Wanna borrow mine?

[steep robin]

sure

[shy escarp]

A moment

[crisp bolt]

could always dorothy nuke

penance would just be easier

[shy escarp]

Omori#2965

[steep robin]

sent you a request

[shy escarp]

Done

[steep robin]

Thanks, I'll tell you if I succeed

[shy escarp]

I have 2 slots vacant in my friends list anyway so might as well

[vital arrow]

Why not just give the guy a mlynar or old hag

[shy escarp]

There are literally lots of ways to beat patriot but yeah let him cook

[steep robin]

@shy escarp I managed to beat him, although it cost my real life sanity, thanks for your help.

[shy escarp]

Np congrats

[steep robin]

Thank you, this was by far the hardest stage I've done in this game, even though I'm sure there will be harder ones

[shy escarp]

Some of the hell stages will definitely be tougher but no need to rush honestly

[steep robin]

yeah, but I do want to catch up to the latest chapter, I'll try the hell stages after that, or when I have better operators

[shy escarp]

Gl with the grind

[steep robin]

appreciate it

[polar crane]

I see you have struggle with lv your op

I'd like to introduce to you a 252 base

more exp and lmd for all your op need

[steep robin]

yeah, kind of having problems with lmd, what's a 252 base exactly?

[polar crane]

2 trading post 5 factory and 2 power plant

[crisp bolt]

my 252 can't keep up with my lmd costs

[steep robin]

got it, thank you

[storm wolf]

any strategy for 12-7 standard? i cant find videos about it. Im high rarity player

[tidal sedge]

low block iirc, because the big guys circle around before going to box

[storm wolf]

the left side goes straight into the box

[tidal sedge]

I never had a problem with left
I think I just used some ranged dps and AH specter

[vernal lion]

standard map is reverse of AE map

[storm wolf]

yes, that one

[crisp bolt]

kind of

these boxes are swapped in AE

if this is the one I'm thinking of

[storm wolf]

the upper fields are also unblocked

[crisp bolt]

yeah the map changes quite a bit

pretty sure the 3 block guys also loop around the middle area as the bottom 2 terrain is gone

[storm wolf]

the right one does

the left ones goes straight in X_X

[versed arrow]

in that case the AE seems easier since both loop a bit. you can texalter one side to death

[storm wolf]

lemme try

[versed arrow]

I hold the right with kal and eyja, they handle it by themselves in AE

[shy escarp]

4 block

[storm wolf]

phew, got in, i swaped 3block with lower block units

thanks

that stage was nuts lol

[deft badger]

@vernal lion so how good is ines 😄

[vernal lion]

she's multi purposes, I think

[deft badger]

looking at her skills i am just confused, don't really get why people like her so much

[vernal lion]

if you don't know why is she so good, you can just borrow her and try in some stage

[deft badger]

already got her

[tidal sedge]

bind
dp
dmg
invis
aspd steal
invis reveal
slow
can do former 2 without being deployed or at 2 spots at once

[storm wolf]

damn, is she that good?

[tidal sedge]

well its just a bunch of niches
its just that none of those are very weak

so she just has a bunch of cool sht

[deft badger]

since i saw her in the top 5 most liked ops to use on CN

i guess so

[shy escarp]

Complement op rly good

[deft badger]

still don't get it but lets e2 her then we will see xD

[storm wolf]

wtf

which one would you save for? performance wise, her or typhon?

[tidal sedge]

typhon is more meta overall

[deft badger]

each of the new inc ops are really good if someone asks me xD

executor typhon

[tidal sedge]

ines is just better if you already have a good roster, and/or want her for her fun

[storm wolf]

i have most of the 6* units

[tidal sedge]

then ines over typhon imo

[storm wolf]

just lack a few ones that i still want and others that i dont care

[deft badger]

u have time to get typhon anyway

[storm wolf]

im trying to hoard 300 for eyja banner

[deft badger]

expecting a lot of ori

[storm wolf]

it will be hard to go for typhon and ines together

[deft badger]

eyja will not be soon

they have to drop mumu first

i don't know if u buy monthly packs

but there will be a lot of packs as well for the event

[storm wolf]

i bought the previous anniv one, but i wont buy next ones for a while

[halcyon adder]

Preferably both. There's time between those two banners

[storm wolf]

k, lemme try ines

[deft badger]

ines executor typhone is something i am going for 100%

i have anyway 600+ pulls atm so yeah

[halcyon adder]

Ok 🐋

[tidal sedge]

exalter isnt needed imo

[storm wolf]

im around 230 i think

[halcyon adder]

So many 🐳

[tidal sedge]

youll get over 30 during eyja banner btw

[deft badger]

not really i just buy monthly packs.. but i didn't spend this year

[halcyon adder]

Ok bro

[deft badger]

was pulling for like 2 banners like really really pulling

[tidal sedge]

this year has like all the meta units tho

[deft badger]

was saving like a moron everything to get the stuff i wanted in 10 pulls xD

• buying monthly packs

[crisp bolt]

next year is going to be so unfortunate

in comparison

[tidal sedge]

vivi will carry

I promise

[deft badger]

why next year looks nice to me

[crisp bolt]

I care more about arturia than vivi tbh

[deft badger]

mumu exe typhone eyja

[crisp bolt]

for the short while before elemental resist gets added

[tidal sedge]

arturia seems like she should be more important
Its just impossible to confirm that she isnt trash

[storm wolf]

i want 300 pulls on eyja banner cuz i want chalter and/or gavial

[halcyon adder]

I think both Vivi and arturia will be just decent

[deft badger]

ah yes forgot jessica xD

[tidal sedge]

sparking is never effiicient choice, but eyja banner has decent pots

[storm wolf]

yeah, but theres no other way to get chalter :T, and i dont have her yet

[tidal sedge]

also you cant spark gavalt iirc

[deft badger]

get executor xD

[storm wolf]

cant? why?

[halcyon adder]

U can

[shy escarp]

Mumu is limited but I'm afraid im gonna have to skip her

[storm wolf]

gavalt and chalt will be on eyja banner

[crisp bolt]

you can spark gavalt on eyja banner

[shy escarp]

For typhon

[deft badger]

mumu is limited?

[crisp bolt]

yes

[storm wolf]

yes, but i think i will skip her too

[tidal sedge]

normally there is a banner in between, but I guess not for summer banner

[crisp bolt]

I will as well sadly

[deft badger]

lol we then like 5-6 months away from eyja

[crisp bolt]

but that's because I happened to fail the 50/50 for 2 of the ops in jo11

so I'm coping pulls on that

[storm wolf]

ok, something happened here just now and im safe

pulls kept

[tidal sedge]

?

[crisp bolt]

just like I failed the 50/50 on ines

[shy escarp]

It wasn't supposed to be a rep but nvm

[storm wolf]

its ok, im also thinking about skipping her :T

[shy escarp]

[crisp bolt]

mumu is just in between good banners

[versed arrow]

its ok, i failed it 2 times too, got her on the 3rd time

[crisp bolt]

and has a terrible partner 6*

I don't have enough pulls to go for 3rd time

[storm wolf]

if i go on mumu banner and get the other one instead i will rage

[crisp bolt]

that's what happened to me on chongus banner

[tidal sedge]

💳

[shy escarp]

Gotta play safe

[crisp bolt]

I pulled lin instead

[shy escarp]

Im skipping her then im rly srry mumu

[deft badger]

will 10 pull mumu and if i don't get her i don't care 😄

[storm wolf]

i will try mumu once theres another limited banner that has her as off-banner and im willing to spark

[deft badger]

we get free pulls as well so yeah

[tidal sedge]

yeah youll have 24 free so hope for mumu

[storm wolf]

i will, thanks ❤️

[tidal sedge]

and then get greedy because pity is only half way away

[storm wolf]

mumumua dreams must stay alive

[storm wolf]

thats actually a good idea

not beyond tho

i need chalter....

im so tired of seeming guides that rely exclusively on her...

[tidal sedge]

pots on eyjalter banner are okay anyway

not bad to spark on

[storm wolf]

yeah, i like that banner alot

plus queen healer

[crisp bolt]

I care more about swire if you ask me

not great but very fun

[storm wolf]

queen healer and queen waifu

[tidal sedge]

swindler does thorns dps on s3 and also has a burst skill like chen

to bad she doesnt do dmg after 800def

[storm wolf]

i dont plan on using swire, but i wont be mad for pulling her

[crisp bolt]

I like her snap animation every time she spawns a champagne bottle

[tidal sedge]

I like her s3 idle the most

[storm wolf]

im a idle skills lover :B

my dream setup with typhon is using her with thorns and blaze with goldenglow and saying goodbye

not 100% idle but anyway

[tidal sedge]

shes better with skill charges

cuz she kills the weaklings for free

[storm wolf]

i know, imma M6 her

[tidal sedge]

ah no I mean like

like horn s1 or ifrit s2

[storm wolf]

oh i see

auto charges

i dont recall completly her skills, i remember her s2 is thorns s3 and that her s3 is machine destruction from hell

[tidal sedge]

her s2 is just way better thorns skill

idk how to describe s3 other than you just put her barely in range of a boss for half a sec and leave her in a safe spot

for like 60sec

[storm wolf]

her s3 is like a drop bomb capital ship

[turbid badge]

will e2 soon

gnosis is fun

invisible. knights

lol

soun fjn

fun

[storm wolf]

holy crap ines is insane 😮

not broken but what a sweet kit

plus low cost

[cyan gorge]

Do I really need to hold 4 lanes for 12-20

[vernal lion]

no

[glass monolith]

What do you mean no? Boss literally goes into 3 out of 4 routes Long way into top box, short way into top box, short way into bottom box

[cyan gorge]

I'm probably fucked then

[tidal sedge]

Ling it

[cyan gorge]

No

[glass monolith]

Linging is boring and uncreative way to solve your issues says me who brought AH to every signle stage

[silent warren]

i just stalled copies that spawn on the left with fast redeploys and killed the boss on the right near the blue box

[glass monolith]

And then you stalled 4 teleporting boys who rushes DP boxes with fast redeploys?

[silent warren]

the ones that hop over your operators? my blaze and thorns mostly did all the dmg to those guys

[winged cedar]

How do you deal with the decaying collector disciple things that throw seeds everywhere

[glass monolith]

Gun
Mostly Pozy S3 and GG S3 on other half of map from them

[vernal lion]

[glass monolith]

WHAT IN LITERAL F

Also SA will get hit by global nuke 4 times

[vernal lion]

this boss sucks

[glass monolith]

I guess that's pros of having fucking plan when going into stage

[silent warren]

yeah planning strats is pog

[fierce meteor]

pretty easy to defeat

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile i spend 5 operators to spawncamp left side of map

[deft badger]

what do i do with those?

[cyan gorge]

I don't even know what's happening, boss is taking 0 damage

[glass monolith]

1000 DEF

[vernal lion]

spend it in chap 12 auto

[glass monolith]

With damage reduction

With 150k hp

[cyan gorge]

cringe

[deft badger]

ahh ok ty, was looking where to select them 😄

[glass monolith]

This boss is more immortal than RA "mortal"

[deft badger]

i see now they will be auto used when i autorun

[vernal lion]

12-7, 12-15, 12-20

your choices

[glass monolith]

Auto boss

[edgy imp]

is it me or the logistics special permit look like ines

[vernal lion]

no

[cyan gorge]

I can't figure out the opening

[crystal cargo]

Should I use this team for the point of no return

[vernal lion]

tbh, that team doesn't look good at all

what about relics?

[tidal sedge]

Fucking hell

[crystal cargo]

uhh

[tidal sedge]

THEY DO NOT DIE

[vernal lion]

and it's all fucking support relics

bruh

[crystal cargo]

got unlucky

[vernal lion]

at least if you got the relic that gives +aspd per ingots, and amount of ingots, there's still hope

[crystal cargo]

i didnt

[cyan gorge]

So what am I supposed to do about the spies that break the boxes left side of box on 12-20? It takes all my attention to deal with right side

[glass monolith]

Naga seems to drop Yato alter at them. Because if he was dropping Texas alter she would kill boxes with them

While enemy look like clipped half way into box you still hit them on tiles before box i think

[cyan gorge]

And how are you supposed to deal with boss clone?

[glass monolith]

Shared HP pool

Only thing needed is to reveal clone sus to remove immortality from them

[cyan gorge]

So reveal and leave it alone?

or burst both

[glass monolith]

Probably stall it with something because clones going to kill your box

[deft badger]

Minus did u roll 10? 😄

on ines?

[glass monolith]

I mean i didn't change my name still

[deft badger]

come roll 10 😄

[glass monolith]

Only operator i am sad of not getting right away is reaper boy

But i assume water flask banner will give me him

[deft badger]

wanna know who is next for certs -.- kinder swimming in certs right now

[turbid badge]

i wanted concreet but hit goat

[tidal sedge]

Blem

[glass monolith]

I need 1755 gold certs to buy everyone i am missing on Kernal banner so i have that covered for a while

[deft badger]

blemishine?

meh i have for 3 but nothing good showing up

[turbid badge]

the only ops that are upcoming yhat im missing are pallas and justyna

[deft badger]

if blemishine is next i will take her why not i love tanks xD

[cyan gorge]

I don’t think I can kill clone in time

[turbid badge]

ew muel s1

me slowly coming

this is a dumb question but what happens if u bind a enemy thats already bind, does it just not work for exmaple u hit rosa s3 on enemy thats guarenteed binded by ines ?

or does it just overide and they both bind same time

(which is kinda useless if thats the case)

[vernal lion]

overlap

[turbid badge]

atleast indigo doesnt attack binded enemies in s2

[turbid badge]

ah fair

[tidal sedge]

I think bind affects are like completely seperate, so like if you bind someone who is binded for 5sec, for 1sec nothing changes from 5sec

[vernal lion]

also, depend on duration

[turbid badge]

this is me and my ines, qiubai, indigo shenangians

and doro

but shes on s3 cuz i use saria s3

[vernal lion]

you can test Dorothy s2 with Ling s2, Magallan s1, Rosa s3, etc...

any op that can easily show you the effect of binding

and compare the duration with your DP counter

[turbid badge]

ye

yeah they just overlap

[restive solstice]

what sicko came up with 12-17? reduced DP generation and tanky flying monsters that wander the whole entire map and snipe anything in sight

[glass monolith]

Pozy check the map

[latent anvil]

I agree

[tropic valve]

that was a fun map

Lin stonks

until the red fidget spinners kill her

then Lin not stonks

[visual cove]

How to beat 12-19

[latent anvil]

Silverash is good there, now go beat it fr

[visual cove]

how

[unkempt lintel]

12-19... the trauma still lingers... when lin got decimated by the beyblades

[visual cove]

nvm SA is good

hoshi carried in 12-19

beyblades do no dmg to her

[unkempt lintel]

but yeah i do bring 4 frd in that stage just to deal with beyblades

[visual cove]

I cycled mlynar ability with hoshi tanking everything

[tropic valve]

is 12-19 the zigzag map?

[crisp bolt]

I used saria to tank the beyblades

[visual cove]

is 12-20 easier than 12-19?

[tropic valve]

in that case, you'll want to remove the crates early so you can assassinate the instigators more easily

[crisp bolt]

12-19 gave me more problem

[tropic valve]

a single Yato deploy kills an instigator

[verbal sparrow]

I, uh, kinda first-tried 12-20 with Rosa and Ling so take that as you will

12-19 had me fail once and required me to change to Ash to assassinate the instigator the moment he appears

[south bone]

Damn they destroyed the top box too
I thought they only destroy the bottom lane

[tidal sedge]

is that bubble 💀

[south bone]

yeah?

[glass monolith]

So you ignoring Dis is concrete baby?

[turbid badge]

shes 19 Dp?

perfect

i brang her to

[tidal sedge]

i just see her like never

cuz spot, cuora, gummy, liskarm exist early game

[turbid badge]

i raise her cuz her story, but modt pol probably just build cuora, matterhorn and the 6*

my cuora is prolly honna stay e1 to help with newbie

turtle hater real

[south bone]

No one use liskarm tho

[tidal sedge]

no one uses bubble 💀

[south bone]

i'm no one

[turbid badge]

maybe they rasied bubble for base just to not use her cuz bubble combo isnt that good idk

[south bone]

I raised her for gameplay is that bad

[turbid badge]

nah

i raised cuz taunt and i thought defense scaling skill was good

and i tried in SSS and it took me 10 years to kill enemy

10k Defense bubble

orbwas it 8k

idk

[tidal sedge]

I dont think she is bad, although ive never used her

[turbid badge]

shes just ur standard protector

with a hint of attack debuff to enrmy

[tidal sedge]

I think its just that cuora is always raised first
and spot
so i dont think most ppl would get another 4star defender

[turbid badge]

ye

Spot, Beagle, Cuora

and sometimes cardigan

[quick pecan]

i only e1 spot for base

beagle e0 cuora e1

[crisp bolt]

my cuora is still e1 lvl 1

[tidal sedge]

phy dodge heal is above 3* grade

thats why he is my only defender besides horn on cn

[tropic valve]

give spot a raise

[quick pecan]

i’ve already raised hung + nearl

[crisp bolt]

give spot an alter

[quick pecan]

nearl e2 80 s1m3 mod3

[crisp bolt]

raised hung

[quick pecan]

hung e2 70 s2m3 mod3

[turbid badge]

i didnt want to raise nearl

cuz i wanted to raise op, so no skin

[quick pecan]

and i’m gonna raise bassline too

[turbid badge]

shes a depressing e2 30

[quick pecan]

my 5* healing defender army

[crisp bolt]

only time I'm raising nearl is if I get surtr

[turbid badge]

[crisp bolt]

cope that surtr hospital

[turbid badge]

SAME

goat, and music?

pog

[quick pecan]

he’s a lupo

[turbid badge]

what

omg

[crisp bolt]

I was going to say goat and music?

you talking about eben?

[quick pecan]

do u mean lessing??

he’s goat iirc

[crisp bolt]

but lessing isn't music related right?

[turbid badge]

yeah lessing is

i thought they were all goats sadly

cuz the caster was one too

[quick pecan]

he dog

or wolf

technically

[tidal sedge]

who?

[crisp bolt]

beats the shit out of you with a tuba

[turbid badge]

yah he woof

wolf

[glass monolith]

(Coughs in distance)

[turbid badge]

that haze is poggin

[quick pecan]

hung is dog boy

[tidal sedge]

my defenders

[quick pecan]

therefore i raise

well spot is dog

but i never draft him for is

[tidal sedge]

the healer required

[quick pecan]

so i didn’t see a need to go beyond e1 lvl 1

for base

[naive oar]

dear god i hate these adverse ch12 maps

[crisp bolt]

shame I'm skipping her banner most likely

[naive oar]

those flying guys spawning their balls are so painful

[glass monolith]

I "have" "plan" for POO

[turbid badge]

use gravel yato

[crisp bolt]

my plan is using ifrit and then playing afk

[quick pecan]

lupoknights actually has a healer now

[glass monolith]

Ifrit, Haze, Ceobe

AND THEN AFK

[quick pecan]

every other healer before has been

[naive oar]

i have not leveled gravel. and yalter just dies to 3 of them wasting me dp

[crisp bolt]

oh yeah I forgot haze doesn't need skill to proc that talent

[turbid badge]

use s3

she has iframes

using 5 stars force me to do masteries

[quick pecan]

only thing i’m sad about is bassline kind of cooks my matterhorn from existence

bc he has base healing defender res of 10, gets more from talents and gets guardian y module

[crisp bolt]

I never liked matterhorn anyways

her ruined too many of my is2 runs when I was first starting

[turbid badge]

lol nerd

why

i was gonna raise him cuz, gnosis synergy and than realized how dumb that sounded

[quick pecan]

if they give him the same res as matterhorn gets from his talent (which i’m assuming they would give him more) with module he’s probably just going to cut arts damage by 50%

or near 50%

[glass monolith]

Dude uncope, uncope

[quick pecan]

i don’t remember if res or dmg reduction comes first

[crisp bolt]

his s2 sounds pretty cool

[glass monolith]

Reduction is after all defenses

[turbid badge]

note; if ur raising 5 stars do masteries and module are needed because without they are all bad

[crisp bolt]

ng at home

[glass monolith]

Not sure if Lin shield come after or before reduction

[quick pecan]

i don’t think it’s unrealistic

i mean they’re very clearly making him an arts tank

[turbid badge]

i think its applied after

yea

[turbid badge]

Bro

[tidal sedge]

so.... vivianna new arts tank?

[quick pecan]

nearl is definitely going to heal more than him

[turbid badge]

look how they slaughtered verdan

verdant

[quick pecan]

verdant is 4*

anyway a guardian with generic s1 + y module literally can’t be bad

[naive oar]

i am going to jump out of my window

damn 12-18 adverse is pain

[turbid badge]

yea

[naive oar]

sadly jumping out of my window wont do much

as i live on the ground floor

[tidal sedge]

until ch12 I have never seen people need help on so many different stages lol

[crisp bolt]

chapter 12 is special

[naive oar]

yall got tips for 12-18?

[fringe jackal]

had to copy a guide for 12-19 and now 12-20 will be another fucking nightmare and probably harder

[turbid badge]

w

[crisp bolt]

just wait till we get to chapter 13 and it will be spammed with people who don't understand the mechanic

[turbid badge]

brax need guide

[naive oar]

that means i have something in common with chapter 12, according to my doctor

[quick pecan]

dp management making everyone die in cringe

[turbid badge]

L

[crisp bolt]

what even is 12-18?

[turbid badge]

just use saileach

[fringe jackal]

it's ove...

[crisp bolt]

the 15 dp one?

[naive oar]

i dont care about dp, i hate those suicide bombers who i cant control with taunt or anything and just decide to kill whoever is near

[crisp bolt]

beyblades

[fringe jackal]

allegedly you can just shoot them down with exusai

[tidal sedge]

taunt still matters, range just matters more

[fringe jackal]

I don't own exusai though

[naive oar]

same

[fringe jackal]

friend has a level 60 skill level 7 unmoduled one

[naive oar]

and the fact that the spawners keep moving means eventually they will just spawn them in kill range

[crisp bolt]

use lin and have her soak them all up

and then get deleted by the elite ones

[naive oar]

sadly i dont have her module yet

the rat doesnt trust me enough

[crisp bolt]

unmodded she can still tank them I'm pretty sure

[glass monolith]

issue is so far it sounds like it can be stacked with NG, so they can't give him too big number by itself, or make some shitty downtime so if it was OP it was OP within limited time frame

[naive oar]

well only one way to find out

[visual cove]

what is chapter 12 boss's special gimmick

[quick pecan]

since when has anyone balanced around nightingale

[crisp bolt]

he duplicates, eats an op, and does corrosive damage

[fringe jackal]

it will replicate itself

[glass monolith]

SHADOWN CLONE JITSU

[solar spindle]

multiple phase

[quick pecan]

res still gets shafted by 5% minimum damage

[visual cove]

By eating an op he one shots them?

[quick pecan]

so it’s not like the damage will be 0 with nightingale

[glass monolith]

Also permamently killing one of your operators in phase 2

[crisp bolt]

at 50% of phase 2, he will eat the last deployed op making them unusable

[naive oar]

i come bearing news

my rat is dead

man

[tidal sedge]

shared healthbar, but you need to stop all 3

[quick pecan]

also the extra res he gets is from a talent

[naive oar]

lin sucks without module here so i cant use her

[quick pecan]

it has 100% uptime

[naive oar]

and i cant get her module cause i cant get her trust up

[quick pecan]

unless you’re talking about s2

[naive oar]

i hate suicide balls

do the balls do arts dmg?

[quick pecan]

i don’t even think his s2 gives res it’s just a straight up arts damage equivalent of barrier that scales on his atk

[turbid badge]

yea

its like NG s2

[tidal sedge]

doesnt ng s2 also give res

[turbid badge]

ah than without the res part

[naive oar]

THE BALLS DEAL ARTS DMG

[turbid badge]

no +15 res

[naive oar]

NIGHTINGALE MY BELOVED

[crisp bolt]

20 at m3

[turbid badge]

just a shield that can only protect against arts

[quick pecan]

i think it’s just gonna be better to use him to tank the arts

[crisp bolt]

but no one is getting s2m3

[turbid badge]

or “barrier”

[crisp bolt]

ng s2 is only arts unlike shining

[quick pecan]

but we’ll see he’s not released after all

[turbid badge]

yeah

shining s2 is actually so good

[quick pecan]

the wait for him will kill me i haven’t liked an operator this much in awhile

[turbid badge]

the bass was cool

[tidal sedge]

masteries on ng s3 hardly even matter anyway so I would rather mastery s2

[turbid badge]

i wonder if it plays a sfx

i didnt pay attention

[naive oar]

man healing isnt enough

those 3 balls just oneshot my goddamn guards

wtf

how am i supposed to have units

[crisp bolt]

do you have saria?

since I just had saria tank it all

[fringe jackal]

my mont3r survived but you know, I have like a max level kal and mlynar'd it

[naive oar]

alas, at some point the guy just moves and kills the units behind saria

[vital arrow]

I used lee for those things

[crisp bolt]

I used pozy

passenger to slow them down

they have low def

[fringe jackal]

Borrowing a mlynar helps a lot because his skill cycle is perfect for the drones and he is tanky enuff to survive some balls with healing

[tidal sedge]

I (tried) used ines, gladiia, gravel

[fringe jackal]

I don't have hoshi or saria or else I'd use em

[naive oar]

WAIT

MINES CAN CHECK FOR SPIES?

WHAT

HOW

[crisp bolt]

dorothy special

[fringe jackal]

The same way you do witch hunts

[naive oar]

DOROTHY WHAT DID YOU PUT IN THE MINES

[crisp bolt]

actually I think all can

but dorothy s3 is the only one with range > 1 tile

[fringe jackal]

All who get exploded are spies and all who are innocent live

[naive oar]

BUT THE MINES DONT EXPLODE CAUSE INVIS

[fringe jackal]

We really need an operator who can kill civilians

[naive oar]

also damn the devs really are trying to cram as many hateable enemies into each level

force me to use 3 blocks

nuke my healers

flying tanks that spawn suicide balls

making things unblockable

whats next? force me to pull so i cant get mumu?

[crisp bolt]

Aak alter

[naive oar]

okay i give up, someone tell me how to do 12-18 adverse

i cant do it

i suck

[turbid badge]

use magallan s1

to search enemies

The RA tech

is back

does scene s2 work

lol

big ass range

[naive oar]

dorothy mines work

[flat sapphire]

Anything works to reveal spies, even medics

Wandering and therapist range are huge

Deadeye snipers too

[turbid badge]

lo

[tropic valve]

quick poll: what do you think the hardest maps were on Adverse?

[glass monolith]

12-20 was hardest for me because i refuse to abuse limited operators

[naive oar]

i dont know how but i did 12-18

now surely this time its smooth sailing from here

[glass monolith]

12-19: Shame (loads shell into shotgun)

[tropic valve]

surely documents get checked with no issues in 12-19

[cyan gorge]

Meanwhile Pozy and Yato havers in 12-19

[naive oar]

OH BOY MORE BALL GUYS

I LOVE BALLS HAHAHAHA

[flat sapphire]

12-19 took me a few tries coz of those mobs that make spies unblockable

[naive oar]

12-19 is pain

but it feels more doable than 12-18

[glass monolith]

And then 12-20 and H stages break your knees

[naive oar]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHO THOUGHT ITS FUN TO PUT THE PURPLE STAFF GUYS IN UNREACHABLE PLACES

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO TEXALTER THEM

[jovial nest]

have you tried using ranged ops?

[naive oar]

ranged ops s u c c

also why must the second wave of ball spawners be the red ones

lin cant tank those

what is even her damn point

if she dies

[jovial nest]

i have to adjust so much of the squad for 12-18 because the initial limit is 15...

and they spawned red asap

[crisp bolt]

crates

there's crates next to where they spawn

[jovial nest]

yeah

[grand ginkgo]

i havent got to the lategame of the chapter but 13 is definitely the hardest so far
7 is second hardest but its not difficult

[jovial nest]

we have to rush the supplies

[naive oar]

but i cant texalter the crates

sadge

[jovial nest]

my Shining investments are paying off with these balls

[flat sapphire]

Yes u can actually

[visual cove]

use SA to reach crates

[flat sapphire]

Use s3

[naive oar]

ines works well to reach crates

who would have thought

[quick pecan]

damn

down to the very last tile

[jovial nest]

ok rough start solved.

[naive oar]

BRUH I JUST PREPLACED A MLYNAR FOR THE SECOND WAVE OF BALLSPAWNERS AND HE JUST GOT ONESHOT

AAAAA

[visual cove]

Yeah the second wave is stronger

[quick pecan]

the amount of balls hung took

tanked fr

[naive oar]

screw this

argh

[flat sapphire]

Don't place mlynar last

[naive oar]

if only lin could tank the damn balls

[jovial nest]

ok 12-18's pathings are....WACK

[visual cove]

Borrow hoshi

Those flying things do no dmg to her

[naive oar]

but where do i put her so that she can take all the balls for the team

those spawners keep moving

cant kill them that fast

[flat sapphire]

Place her where u kill the drones

[naive oar]

so all over the map, got it

[flat sapphire]

U need to like

Plan where u wanna kill them

[naive oar]

i wish i could

sadly my ranged dmg is kinda lacking

[jovial nest]

weirdest layout I've done so far.

[naive oar]

unless i get like

a pozy with turret running somehow

[flat sapphire]

Reedic s3 could 1 cylce

Or close anyway

[naive oar]

hmm

right

i should probably try using her offensively

[turbid badge]

for 12

do u tuys

Guys

use s2

[flat sapphire]

She one shots the balls for chain explosion too

[naive oar]

hmm i shouldnt combine the strats

[jovial nest]

it works nicely for 12-17. But the 12-18 ball pathing is less than ideal for her

someone has to tank for her

[naive oar]

now hoshi is taking the balls before they can be blown up

[jovial nest]

don't bother with the balls

someone will have to tank it due to how the map's designed

and their pathing

just kill the drone

[brazen parrot]

This is my auto deploy for 12 20

[naive oar]

reedic s3 cant one cycle them

[brazen parrot]

Did I handicap myself

[jovial nest]

wth is this map....The return of Drone-only blue boxes....yikes

I don't like where this is going

[naive oar]

might be cause shes sl7

[turbid badge]

lol

prob

[flat sapphire]

My game was glitching or something where i just insta leak something the instant the 2nd pair of drone come out

[brazen parrot]

What's good operators for ch 12 boss?

[brazen parrot]

I used everyone here and then some

[naive oar]

god damnit i hate this

[jovial nest]

weird map making me do weird layouts again heh

[naive oar]

this is supposed to be easy, what do i have meta units for???

why game hard

[flat sapphire]

Why are u autoing 12-20 anyway?

[brazen parrot]

Ocd to get an auto on every level

Now answer the question

[jovial nest]

its not easy

[flat sapphire]

[naive oar]

but... meta limited units

[cyan gorge]

Blemi

[brazen parrot]

Thanks I used her too

[flat sapphire]

I just sandwiched boss with AH ops

[jovial nest]

oh wow this is satanic. You have to have someone kill the supplies first hahaha

[brazen parrot]

Ah?

[cyan gorge]

Yato s3

[jovial nest]

yep

[flat sapphire]

Yeh it was so annoying too coz i kept forgetting their spawn time and i kept leaking

Texas2 s3 works as well

[brazen parrot]

What's AH ops

[naive oar]

cant wait to go back to doing chapter 7 after finishing ch12 adverse and just finishing levels by glancing in their direction

[naive oar]

abyssal hunters

[brazen parrot]

Ty

[naive oar]

dear god i hate this map

why must those damn spawners be so goddamn tanky

[cyan gorge]

Pozy moment

[naive oar]

if only my pozy wasnt already dead like 5 seconds in through the magic of b a l l s

[jovial nest]

wow this is goddamn rough....

the drones need to die faster....

I'm bringing Chalter and going ballsier

[cyan gorge]

Bait the balls

[jovial nest]

dude the balls aren't the issue

its me having to deal with them and then those slip-by sarkaz spawn

and the spies get through

the drones are locking my DPS to a specific point.

Need to change my layout a bit

make it so drones are easier to kill so i can actually lane someone on bot right

[naive oar]

do i look like i have the dp to waste random units to keep up with their movement

[fringe jackal]

this enemy steals DP, right?

"attacks reduce cost"

[cyan gorge]

I had plenty of time to deploy Pozy then Yato s3

[fringe jackal]

for some reason my DP seems to keep falling in 12-20 adverse

ohh

ok

[rough anvil]

Yeah it just removes dp

[fringe jackal]

fuck me

[cyan gorge]

partly cause Elysium talent clutch

Wasn’t too bad

[turbid badge]

@civic nest

Have u done tachank masteries?

how do u feel about them

im currently doing m1 cuz cheap

[civic nest]

wtfart

oh

i did s2m3

s1m3 i haven’t try

honestly

[turbid badge]

oh how u feel s2

[civic nest]

his damage is so shit u can prob get away with m1

but m3 makes brain happy

[turbid badge]

hey

[naive oar]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

I WAS SO CLOSE

BUT THEN THEY SPAWNED 2 OF THOSE GOD DAMN PURPLY STAFF GUYS

IM SICK OF THIS

[civic nest]

12-4?

[naive oar]

12-19 adverse

[civic nest]

oh

purply staff lmao

[cyan gorge]

Yato s3 kills them instantly

[naive oar]

i use yalter s2

but i only have 1

and theres 2

[turbid badge]

sigh

[cyan gorge]

Texalter the other

[naive oar]

and the second they appear those god damn spies just magically waltz through

[turbid badge]

the -sp makes brain hapy

[naive oar]

i dont have the deploy slots nor dp ready......

[cyan gorge]

Better yet, reveal civies earlier

[turbid badge]

guess ill focus on another gun member first

[cyan gorge]

they can be blocked after being revealed

[naive oar]

its hard enough not to get killed by balls

[cyan gorge]

Yato s3 them

mine is sl7

worked great

[civic nest]

i mean if you’re actually playing the GUN niches then yea why not m3

but most ppl who actually tachanka prob use s1

[naive oar]

holy shit

this is the first time i ever used yalter s3

this slaps

why did no one tell me

[cyan gorge]

I did

[civic nest]

bcs s2 is generally better

[naive oar]

screw s2, spin to win

[civic nest]

use wats suits you

[turbid badge]

oh really?

[civic nest]

seems like more consistent damage

[turbid badge]

i literally only used s1 on IW

lmao

[civic nest]

also not getting fucked by defense

[turbid badge]

cuz tokens

[civic nest]

s2 damage is non existent on mid to high def enemy

[jovial nest]

Setup is done. Let's see how this goes.

[cyan gorge]

You're gonna leak

[turbid badge]

s1 looks nice the more i look into it

[jovial nest]

Ya2 handles the leakers

[turbid badge]

thx for input

[jovial nest]

but i need someone else to tank balls for Thorns

[cyan gorge]

No she won't

unblockable

[crisp bolt]

no saria?

[jovial nest]

i meant Ya2 kills the sarkaz leakers

and if they spawn 2 at a time

Tex2

[cyan gorge]

If one slips past Kal, you need to kill the instigator and block the leaking spies

[crisp bolt]

^ that's what I did

used yato and tex to kill the unblockable guys at spawn

[cyan gorge]

most of your issues would be solved if an op with big range covered top box to reveal early

[naive oar]

another failure of a run

maybe i should go to bed

its almost 4 am

[grizzled otter]

What stage

[naive oar]

12-19 adverse

[jovial nest]

A lot better. Ya2 and Tex2 will handle the corners

drones out of the picture fast solves everything else

[grizzled otter]

oh, u could try using for exmaple a eyja top left to kill those things

[cyan gorge]

Oh didn't realize it was a trust farm set up

[jovial nest]

yes

heheh

good thing Ya2 S2M3 kills red leakers

[naive oar]

if you mean the drones, if i do that until then the balls reduce my team to rubble

[cyan gorge]

Again, Pozy + Yato s3

Saria with mod y can tank them as well

[jovial nest]

and its done. The drones aren't many huh. They just spawn so early to lock you down fast.

[grizzled otter]

oh flying things not the drones

rosa totally got it…

[naive oar]

rosaless moment

[grizzled otter]

durin 50% dodge will tank for a mlynar or something

[naive oar]

dont think i can set that up in a way that will sufficiently work

especially cause my durin is lv1

[cyan gorge]

Elysium so Pozy is cheaper

[naive oar]

cries in being unable to get elysium after months of recruiting for him

[cyan gorge]

Sail?

you can always borrow

[jovial nest]

and here i am using Myrtle

I already hate this. Please don't tell me someone targets the back supplies. I don't want this map to turn into an LS-5

[cyan gorge]

If no ely or Sail, add another vg

[jovial nest]

a worse LS-5

[cyan gorge]

They do

[jovial nest]

either way I'm enjoying this chapter's gimmick

[naive oar]

trying to borrow hoshi to draw fire atm

[jovial nest]

it forces me to do stuff so unorthodox

and supplies even act like roadblocks

so its either you get nice caps and DP printed or blocked roads

whoever created this gets my kudos

they somehow managed to finally dethrone UFOs

as the worst flying mob

[crisp bolt]

they're going to be in the new CC

[grizzled otter]

cantabile open to break a supply and then you can deploy pozemka in time to kill the drones works

[fierce saddle]

Hi quick question, is dorothy's normal attack (not her traps) arts damage or physical damage?

[naive oar]

using yalter and ines atm to break supplies, and can get by the start now

[crisp bolt]

physical damage

[naive oar]

but mid and late stage hurts

[fierce saddle]

thank you

[jovial nest]

Ya2 and Tex2 carrying stuff again

they're so good in getting supplies fast