strategy

[serene umbra]

Oh

Pozy is my support unit

Since I don't have her

[plucky flint]

Nah nvm, you have SA, just timing your schwing schwing

[boreal magnet]

I hope u don't forget that u can activate buff on wave 2 to increase aspd etc

[serene umbra]

Yep

Yes

[plucky flint]

Then camp at blue box where u can stall W

Make sure your defender and 1 medic is last 2 deployed, not pozy

[glass monolith]

Ignore than Quartz when SK died looks like Weedy

Fucking squad limit

[neat skiff]

Credit where it is due.

https://tenor.com/view/golf-clap-sheen-estevez-bros-gif-9170017

[glass monolith]

and i used tower buff against fred because i am not malding that after failing once

[neat skiff]

Whatever works so close to the event closing and maint starting.

[serene umbra]

So this is okay ?

Well I have others snipers/caster like Click but he's no leveled yet

[plucky flint]

Genuinely asking, where's your kroos

[remote ice]

Might as well fill the rest of your squad with gravel/fodder unless you’re planning to add stuff

[fallen terrace]

Which Team is Good Vs TN4 basic orientation?

[serene umbra]

How to explain...I used her at the beginning but

I don't use her anymore

😅

[remote ice]

The one with arene

[plucky flint]

She's actually better than those 2 sniper that u have

[serene umbra]

I don't like her🥲

[plucky flint]

[fallen terrace]

The lateranos?

[serene umbra]

But I can't spend all my LMD now

But

I have kroos alter so maybe one day I'll up her

But not normal kroos

[remote ice]

Don’t know the name, but yeah the one with Ambriel, Arene and Shotgun dude

[serene umbra]

I prefer Adnachiel sorry-

[plucky flint]

OK so fill your squad with 1 more aoe medic and whatever you like

[serene umbra]

Ptilopsis :0

[fallen terrace]

Which Operatpr get the most from this?

[glass monolith]

Archetto

(Exu not laterano, she is gangsta delivery service)

[fallen terrace]

My Arcatto is not that good tho

[plucky flint]

Borrow her then

[fallen terrace]

Is Arcatto a nun?

[neat skiff]

Laterano faction people.

[fallen terrace]

Im gonna use Mostima then

I dont have Fiametta

[foggy grove]

the decoder name sounds fitting

you do you

[storm current]

oh boy

CF boss is quite a hassle

people 100% gonna ask for the stage a lot

[glass monolith]

AM'MA FIRING MY BALL (everyone dies)

[storm current]

flying and hurt a lot

[scarlet ledge]

kek

bro

item exist

stun bomb

😱

[storm current]

at my first attempt

i didnt read item

[glass monolith]

Well he need 2 hits to kill Chalter, so i just kill him in first

[storm current]

lol

[scarlet ledge]

wtf

use stun bomb on boss

then damage it

plus u have chance when boss retreat anyway

if u havent kill it on first area

[storm current]

what was trimmed medal again

EX stage?

[glass monolith]

Just read? We are not JP spies

[neat skiff]

You are not.

[storm current]

oh wait

lmao

theres 2 medal

because its collab

it doesnt use only require 2 medal of obtaining TRC and clear CF9

[glad spoke]

@scarlet ledge You'll get it eventually

[scarlet ledge]

[tidal sedge]

if I want to purposely bring weak units that doesn't hit enemies to clear OF-5 with Lumen doing both of his module conditions...

what is the unit suitable for the job

[neat skiff]

Borrow Fiammetta or Aak. Lumen will constantly heal. then use low damage defenders like Cuora to not kill enemies too quickly.

[craggy turret]

TN-3 orientation squad? It's really just the steam knight that's giving me trouble

[foggy grove]

use hoshi or nian

you have 24 mins

[neat skiff]

^

[craggy turret]

Yea but who else?

[neat skiff]

Have you tried looking on youtube?

[craggy turret]

Yea

[neat skiff]

You literally have 22 minutes before the event ends and maint starts.

[craggy turret]

This is the squad I've had the most success with

[craggy turret]

Quite aware

[remote ice]

You can use gravel + the vanguard squad to stall if your Hoshi can’t

[neat skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUXdG5Luts Because there is this clear. Replacing the low ops with better ops. However the issue is you have no medics or defenders leveled.

[craggy turret]

Gravel isn't built

[sullen rover]

i doubt hoshi cant since this isnt spec

[remote ice]

Any frd that can live a hit works

[neat skiff]

This event hurts. A lot. To the point one strategy is to just spam units that barely survive 1 hit.

[foggy grove]

just ditch ling or iffie
add hoshi then do whatever

[glass monolith]

WAIT I NEED SET BASE AND WASTE SANITY

[neat skiff]

Used by people with no medics or defenders leveled.

[remote ice]

That’s all my strategies

[plucky flint]

lockdown in 6 mins

[neat skiff]

Yup.

[glass monolith]

By who, Juno and Thanik quit moding

[craggy turret]

I got it but I'm only at lvl 24...

No blacknight skin for me then

[serene umbra]

Question : can I up Aosta, Jieyun, Kroos alter to have more casters/snipers ?

Also Kjera

I have too much Vanguards😭

[neat skiff]

See y'all after maint o/

[serene umbra]

And Broca for aoe

[sullen rover]

krooster is a good op

idk bout others dont use them

[serene umbra]

Okay !

[storm current]

jieyun is eh

aosta is bad ye

[plucky flint]

Wao no lockdown

[glass monolith]

As i said, Thanik and Juno quit, WHO will lockdown?

[neat skiff]

I'm still yet to find an explanation on how the event farming works.

[storm current]

it works like DH

give you stamps

each stamp have different value

[neat skiff]

so the stamps aren't shown in the end of mission screen?

[storm current]

when accumulate 100 value, you roll 1 random stuff from the gacha

they do show

hold on

[plucky flint]

Is the rng mats worth the farm?

[storm current]

eh

only if you want all 3 ester device salt

[plucky flint]

I heard some ppl say the drop rate(?) is shit

[neat skiff]

I need devices anyway.

[storm current]

because unlike other event

[neat skiff]

If the drop rate is shit then that would explain why I haven't seen anything except a pittance of LMD in all the end mission screens.

[storm current]

where you can farm 1 specific mat

for this one, you get all 3 evenly

so the rate for each is like

100 sanity for each

Red number is the value of each stamp

[plucky flint]

Well I don't mind grinding 3 mats, but I wanna know if it's efficient to grind for it or not than just farming outside event

[storm current]

it should still more efficient

[neat skiff]

Really not selling it tbh

[plucky flint]

Good to know

[neat skiff]

But that's the devs fault.

[storm current]

like

its 100 sanity for each

so every 100-110 sanity you spend on event stage, you get accumulated worth each

hold o

[neat skiff]

100 sanity for 1 mat? 100 sanity for 1 of each mat?

Because that's still pretty bad compared to other events where we get around 4 drops per 100 sanity.

[storm current]

each mat

mb

[neat skiff]

And those 4 drops are a single mat we want.

[turbid badge]

can u guys update the app

[storm current]

ye thats the issue for the event

[neat skiff]

Instead of "1 thing we want, one thing we have a lot of and 1 thing that is basically never used"

[storm current]

its only worth if you want all 3

[neat skiff]

Not on iOS yet.

[turbid badge]

ah ic

[storm current]

im low on device and ester so im fine

idk abotu salt tho

[neat skiff]

But maint only started 20 mins ago and still has 5:40 left to go.

At least Yato 2 uses a bunch of salt.

9 T5 salt.

[storm current]

nah

issue is

T5 salt doesnt use that much T3 salt

only need 1

[neat skiff]

Let me cope.

[storm current]

so unlike materials like, gel and alloy

where CEU use 4 each

lol

salt use more non-salt, than salt

quite funny

[neat skiff]

Salt uses more pink and blue mats than salt.

[storm current]

design failure lmao

[neat skiff]

The design failure is still using a bunch of rocks.

Yes it's M6, but Yato 2 is worth the M6.

[storm current]

idk

why does salt cost 328 lol

something isnt right

[turbid badge]

ouch

seeing 15x blue

[storm current]

i assume its closer to 66

[neat skiff]

Literally uses more T3 crystals than salt.

[storm current]

ok so

salt = 66 sanity

[serene umbra]

Oh😔

[storm current]

device 54 sanity

ester 32 sanity

so every 105 sanity on average

you get 1 of each

152 sanity

[neat skiff]

If you want to raise her for waifu reasons she will do the job.

[storm current]

and prob some random 2000 LMD drop kekw

[neat skiff]

But 5 stars have kind of always been shafted.

[storm current]

the efficiency is prob around 44%

personally used both jieyun and meteorite

meteorite is just so much better

since jieyun has low dph

just eh

[boreal magnet]

Buying salt instead

[storm current]

high DPH is really important for artillerymen

[neat skiff]

It's important for any physical damage dealer.

[storm current]

jie yun hit like

1.4k on s2 use

thats absurdly low

shirayuki being art might be better even

and you cant aim with that

its stationary circle

[neat skiff]

At least it attacks once per second to everyone in range.

Also:

[storm current]

the uh

shirayuki part

also aside from combat

jieyun is a super boring character

i think in my 5* only account

if i want an aoe unit

i prob just take astgene

also khold did you know

the update actually make the game file size smaller

[neat skiff]

Ooh, cool.

[storm current]

ye

not sure what did they delete to make it smaller

[neat skiff]

Most likely optimisations.

[storm current]

https://twitter.com/oyuki_gms/status/1699699596048654587?s=20

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he got nerfed so hard

[rapid junco]

chungus nerfed?

[foggy grove]

what a sad day to live in

[turbid badge]

yeaa shes kinda boring

i built her and i barley use her and shes really on usedfor her slow but than again i wouldnt need to slow if i can hust kill them

[neat skiff]

5 stars \o/

Very clearly not 6 stars while also sometimes competing with 4 stars for relevance.

[foggy grove]

if only they are cheaper smh

[neat skiff]

Like, Insider might genuinely be the best upcoming 5 star.

[storm current]

eh

morgan is fine

[foggy grove]

that's kinda sad

[storm current]

insider feel like worse krooster

[foggy grove]

since prolly kroos still better

[storm current]

morgan is 5* skadi

helidrop and hit for 2.8k dph

[plucky flint]

Insider welfare right?

[foggy grove]

bryo is hot garbage

[deft badger]

6 hours maintenance -.-

[plucky flint]

Ngl insider is decent 5* Sniper despite being welfare

[neat skiff]

Only 4.5 hours to go.

[storm current]

eh

i honestly prob like may more than insider

[plucky flint]

5*

[neat skiff]

Dude hits hard for a 5 star sniper.

[opal kiln]

they've been making some shit 5*s lately

[plucky flint]

HG cooked too much for welfare snipers

[neat skiff]

1426 attack with S2M3 active. 20 auto charge and 14 ammo. 17 after 20 seconds deployed.

[opal kiln]

I think the last good 5* we got is .. harmonie? 💀

[neat skiff]

Firewhistle and Cantabile are the ones most used released this year.

[storm current]

uh

harmonie is still questionable

[opal kiln]

I think she's good

but yea fw is also decent

[storm current]

firewhistle is fine but horn is crazy better

its not even fair

[neat skiff]

Oh, Proviso is meta for base.

[opal kiln]

still that's a lot of garbage since then 💀

[storm current]

poncirus is ok

zima but better

thats it

she has guard stat and slowly generate dp

[neat skiff]

Shame Poncirus DP generation is so bad.

[storm current]

good for like, anni ig

in anni

you can use her as blocker + dp generate

instead of using another slot

since poncirus is really tanky

[glass monolith]

Morgan soon, finally upgrade to my "Siege from beginners banner is good, right?" ass

[storm current]

according to shu

who recently used santalla in IS4

santalla is not bad

a little RNG but her dps can be quite good

synergy quite well with hand of pulverizing

[neat skiff]

S2M3 is less DP than Scavenger or Courier S1L7

[storm current]

ye no

its like

0.3 dp/s

actually

no

its 0.25dp/s

usual pioneer is ~0.3dp/s

[neat skiff]

Courier/Scavenger S1L7 is 0.2727 repeating /s

[storm current]

flagbearer are ~0.5dp/s

[glass monolith]

You need to compare her S2 to S2 of those 2, S1 generate more at cost of no buffs to stats

And permament S2 remove need to time skill for specific enemy coming to 1v1 you

[storm current]

spuria is uh

questionable

melanite is slightly weak

[plucky flint]

I don't think u even need to question her

She's straight up bad

[storm current]

but she is one of the rarer 5* ignore dodge

lol

[glass monolith]

Melanite is third typewriter S2

[storm current]

i think 5* only has melanite and amiya to deal with high dodge

theres also the weird valarqvin

ritualist

too much concept to be practical

[glass monolith]

Who?

[neat skiff]

Valar has the potential to be something, but is way too undertuned.

IS4 welfare.

[storm current]

testing unit

i assume

[neat skiff]

Elemental damage supporter.

https://gamepress.gg/arknights/operator/valarqvin

[storm current]

they plant to implement a burn type too

reduce res

and deal instant dmg

sound quite nice too

it can work like those fire tower in old tower defense games

[neat skiff]

Weakening being an attack reduction.

[storm current]

focused in 1 enemies

[glass monolith]

Well we have necrosis which is now "Shamare S2 with extra sample text" so fuck it

[neat skiff]

Yeah, that's her thing.

[storm current]

not sure how long debuff last

15s would be quite strong

or not?

[neat skiff]

Which even inside IS4 she doesn't deal enough stuff to proc it.

[glass monolith]

You need to stack it first

[storm current]

yea thats the current issue

not enough elemental dmg lol

[glass monolith]

Warf buff to increase elemental damage done

[neat skiff]

Like, there is "stuff" there. But even for a welfare she is severely undertuned.

[storm current]

and outside IS4, she only inflict elemental dmg on skill

feel like ceylon situation

too gated on skill

[neat skiff]

It's a Tsukinogi situation.

[storm current]

for now ritualist is just a concept

just hope they get better debuff

like -res would be nice

[neat skiff]

Yeah.

At least Hunter sniper is a much better showing.

[storm current]

actually i just realize, insider s2 is 20sp cost wtf

auto recovery too

[neat skiff]

Yes.

[storm current]

hold on

[neat skiff]

Yeah.

[storm current]

viktorlabbing

[neat skiff]

Dude may be generic af but people are sleeping on what he can do.

[plucky flint]

Bro be hitting 1.4k at 0.7 interval

1.5k at mod3 with anti air bonus

[neat skiff]

With the powerful ammo mechanic.

[foggy grove]

i'm building him for my exalter

prolly mod 3 too just because

[storm current]

blue kroos

[neat skiff]

I'm going to build him regardless.

[storm current]

blue insider

i guess its not fair

[plucky flint]

OK who's who??

Both blue?

[storm current]

wait

orange insider

viktorlab assume constant attack

which favor kroos s2

and not so for insider s2 ammo mechanic

i guess its promising for him

aside from the stun on kroos

insider seem quite good

[plucky flint]

Just assume insider as statstick AA sniper

[storm current]

yes

[plucky flint]

Actually better than plat

[neat skiff]

Like, Kroos alter will most likely continue to be the "which 5 star marksman to raise?" but Insider is better than people give him credit for. Not much better, but still better.

[storm current]

ye

kroos is still better for the case of IS3

otherwise insider seem more solid

[plucky flint]

They sleep on him cuz look at the damn art

[storm current]

he can shoot down UFO too

holy shit

[plucky flint]

Looks like straight up from a Korean manhwa or smt

[storm current]

s2 need 6s to activate

wait mathing

hold on

[serene umbra]

I asked earlier for snipers, what are good snipers instead of Kroos ?

[storm current]

kroos alter

[serene umbra]

I need several for my teams

[storm current]

else may

eh

[serene umbra]

Okay

[storm current]

you only need 2 marksman

[serene umbra]

I have Kroos alter

Oh

[neat skiff]

3 star Kroos, 4 star May, 5 star Kroos.

[storm current]

just use her ye

[serene umbra]

Okay

[storm current]

if

3* kroos is not enough

you can go krooster + may

[serene umbra]

Caster I have doggo Goldenglow

Oh

May ?

[neat skiff]

GG = winning.

[cyan gorge]

May good

[neat skiff]

May is a 4 star marksman who either slows or stuns.

[storm current]

may is more utilies since she has slow + stun

so not completely replaced by higher rarity sniper

[plucky flint]

Still wondering how HG cooked krooster

While looking at greythroat

[storm current]

ok lol

insider can 1 cycle red UFO

quite funny

he hit harder than april

[serene umbra]

Oh yes may

Nice I have her too

Pinguin girl

[glass monolith]

Apparently GUN is stronger than bow

[plucky flint]

Is that including mod already?

[storm current]

yes?

mod lv1 cuz upgrade is meh

actually idk

[neat skiff]

Platinum = slow big hits (with long range.)
GreyThroat = multiple single target hits.
Blue Poison = attack multiple enemies.
Kroos alter = multiple single target hits with stun utility.
Insider = faster big hits.

[storm current]

not sure how his talent work

is this like blaze

or like gavial

[neat skiff]

It will not apply to a skill currently active. It will apply to skill activated after.

[storm current]

is it temporary or perma bboost

ye

[plucky flint]

Blaze, saria, etc

[storm current]

i will do manual math

but i assume

he is worth mod3 then

mod2 + 1 ammo

mod3 +another ammo

[plucky flint]

So 19 total?

[storm current]

yes

[neat skiff]

Yes.

[plucky flint]

Sounds a fair trade for me, for a 6 mod blocks

[storm current]

ok so

if talent bonus not apply

he only do 10k to UFO

not quite

[neat skiff]

If constantly attacking that's 20 second charge with 13.3 seconds of boosted attacks.

[storm current]

lv0 UFO is 12k hp iirc?

[neat skiff]

Sec.

[storm current]

ah

13k

red is 16k

so not quite

but his skill cycle tho

20s

[neat skiff]

With 800 def.

[storm current]

thats pretty nut

[plucky flint]

Mod3 is needed to kill 13k hp UFO

[storm current]

krooster s2 is 35s cooldown

the other skill with 20s cooldown are like

firewatch and may s2

firewatch is pretty much perma

[neat skiff]

At this point the biggest thing holding him back is the fact that at the end of the day he is a 5 star marksman.

[plucky flint]

Mod2 skill dmg

[storm current]

and may has some dps downside

[plucky flint]

Well, mod2 is enough

Just a little bit there

[storm current]

he need to wait 20s for extra ammo

but otherwise

he can practically make s2 perma

since its 20s cooldown + ammo skill

he has his merit ye

he jus

radiate too much RNG energy

so people sleep on him

[neat skiff]

He will still lose to Exu. But I'm still going to raise him because I like what he does.

[storm current]

i wonder

is he tho

[plucky flint]

I don't think there's a 5* mm Sniper who's gonna win on what the 6/* mm does

[storm current]

exu kinda fall off after chapter 6

i mean

you can argue

[neat skiff]

Nope.

[storm current]

kroos become better than exu in a lot of content

exu is kinda 💀 in IS

deadge

[remote ice]

Better in IS for sure

[plucky flint]

I don't touch IS so that's invalid for me

[storm current]

insider hit twice as much as exu tho

and skill cycle is uh

the opposite of exu lol

[neat skiff]

Exu hits 5 times per auto.

[storm current]

you just use it as soon as it come up

instead of auto activation like exu

idk the afk potential of this

12 shot for 9 bullet

[neat skiff]

Not great.

[storm current]

so supposedly, more often than the 2sp s1 of blue poison

but worse scaling ye

[neat skiff]

Blue Poison is also multi target.

[storm current]

also most people talk about how blue poison has low hp

but never aware the fact that she also has noticably more base atk than other sniper

like lol

i recall maxed kroos is like 570~

bp is like 610

modless ofc

but mod is hardly that much bonus

[neat skiff]

610 with no module and pot 3 or below.

Not including poison DoT.

[storm current]

ye i wont talk about her dot

but bp kit has surprisingly a lot of dmg

even her module has better boost too

kroos has the anti air module, which i think is honestly worse

[turbid badge]

bless you

[storm current]

since in IS3 you want to knock down drifter so they hardly stay air borne

[plucky flint]

I just wish they release 2nd mod of ash and exu already

[storm current]

yea their mod are most likely better

[plucky flint]

Archetto being 2 mod for the long time

While the other 2 died

[storm current]

meanwhile all pioneer got their 2nd mod already

[plucky flint]

I just want my extended stun duration for ash

[storm current]

they all have the same trust bonus of +75 so not including that

i guess its understandable if people say bp is glass cannon

also not include greythroat since no one use her

[plucky flint]

Damn, 522 for insider?

[storm current]

eh

[neat skiff]

I might say to include Insider pots since he is a welfare.

[storm current]

+23 too

kroos and insider should get +23

for the pot

so yea insider atk is higher than usual

this doesnt include mod tho

[neat skiff]

With pots Insider has 545 attack with zero trust. 620 with trust and no module.

[storm current]

in comparison

archetto is 528 base, +90 trust

quite close too

[neat skiff]

642 with mod 1, 650 mod 2, 658 with mod 3.

[storm current]

exu is 540 base, 90 trust, then +6% from talent

so yea

insider atk is up to the 6* league

[neat skiff]

Raw attack.

[storm current]

his scaling is about as much as archetto too

single target

[neat skiff]

Archetto does AoE. Exu hits 5 times per single auto.

[storm current]

230%

altho uh

no pasta synergy

[neat skiff]

Insiders biggest comparison is Ash.

[storm current]

ash is kinda deadge nowadays

[neat skiff]

Ammo, rapid attacks.

Ash relies on her stun talent.

[plucky flint]

Ash still one of the best opener for sniper plays

But then, that's irrelevant

[storm current]

this is a massive scam

8 aspd is literally nothing for her s2

[neat skiff]

Ash has 691 base attack (max level, max pot, mod 3.

[plucky flint]

That's why I need her 2nd mod

For the stun talent buff

[neat skiff]

Like Insider will rely on +130%, Ash relies on 250% while stunned.

[storm current]

I guess

Insider is good to raise as primary marksman if no 6* sniper

But prob not worth as secondary

[neat skiff]

Like, you don't compare Archetto to Platinum. You compare Archetto to Blue Poison since both operate dealing damage to more than 1 enemy at a time.

[plucky flint]

Kroos still tops 5* mm Sniper

She's just too good

[storm current]

Yes

I wouldnt recommend him over krooster

But i assume

When HE come

Most newbie prob dont have krooster

So he is ok

[plucky flint]

Personally I'd rate her 3rd, tied with bp

[neat skiff]

Sadly it's waiting for record restore for invitation to wine.

[storm current]

I mean

IW rr is still long

I prob wont suggest waiting that long to e2 a marksman

For most newbie, marksman carry a lot

[neat skiff]

yeah, 3 star Kroos, 4 star May.

[storm current]

Other than that

Are you exciting to get cement

Imagine how hyped she is in CN already

Cant wait until her EN release

Which is soon

[plucky flint]

Wait a fuck

First time I checked cement archetype

And she's a fucking defensive duelist??

[glass monolith]

[storm current]

Lol

[glass monolith]

He didn't knew

[storm current]

What took you so long

But obvious it make her worse

Since 1 block, skill doesnt change it

[glass monolith]

1 block is blessing when you need to block 1 specific ass

[storm current]

And getting sp locked

Lol

[plucky flint]

All I know her kit is defensive

[neat skiff]

At least she launches with her module to allow SP charging i_i

[plucky flint]

But I didn't bother checking her in aceship

[neat skiff]

Her S2 is defensive.

[storm current]

Her s1 is pasta skill

[neat skiff]

Her S1 hits up to 127 enemies in her tile and the one in front.

[storm current]

Its not bad ig

Since she has 1k base atk

[turbid badge]

s1 is funny yea

[storm current]

S2 tho

+420% def

Its super niche

[plucky flint]

Around 2.7k def and decaying

[storm current]

No?

Its like 4k def

Or 3.9k no pot

[plucky flint]

Oh wait it's a +

[storm current]

Yea its funny number

Can be funny for hand of spike

100% art based on def

But shes so shit lol

[plucky flint]

And her talent is dodge physical

[storm current]

Nah

Its dmg reductjon

Not dodge

[plucky flint]

It's resist, no?

[storm current]

Tho not sure if dodge is better

[plucky flint]

Nvm

Ye it's reduction

Lmfao

Just tank single hard hitting pjysical elite/boss

[storm current]

Module bump it to 20%, or 40% after

So she can tank super hard hitter ye

[plucky flint]

This is stupid

No wonder they made her only block 1

[storm current]

Shes literal brick

More brick than hoshi lol

It last 60s tho

[plucky flint]

Surely a good tank for spear thrower

[storm current]

Well

Spear thrower attack quite a lot

And she has to block to get her skill up too

Shes so impractical man

Wtf is this kit

[plucky flint]

Can cope at mod sp regen

[storm current]

40 cost, 20 initial

So you have to wait 100s if not blocking lol

[plucky flint]

[storm current]

Altho same for eunectes then

[plucky flint]

Mod still can't be boosted by ptilo?

[storm current]

I recall yes

But not sure how the math work

Im not sure what they were smoking when design cement

[foggy grove]

am i the only one who doesn't care about cement

[storm current]

I mean

I like her, shes cute

But she is super impractical

[plucky flint]

I'm gonna get her anyways, since she's in Ines banner

[storm current]

Ines is pretty good yea

Devs literally put every utilities in ines

And it somehow work

Ines is 100%

A testing unit

To test out new mechanic

[neat skiff]

There was a whole bunch of calculations a couple days ago about "tanking with no skills" and Cement could actually hold her own reasonably well.

[storm current]

Well yea

[neat skiff]

Which, for a 5 star competing with Nian and Hoshi...

[storm current]

She still has 40% physical reduction

Her main issue is just

1 block

And sp gated

Just archetype issue

They made her duelist instear of protector

But she literally doesnt need to do dmg

[plucky flint]

Imagine a protector having 40% phys reduction

HG won't allow that

[weak gazelle]

that number...
uhhh, its too good to be true

[storm current]

True

But i wonder

Can she tank SK on H11-4

Without skill ofc

Or if more specific

Phase 1

Since i assume you would use her skill on phase 2

[weak gazelle]

idk about SK at ch 11
since didnt play it yet

[storm current]

She has 3300-3600 hp

With 40% dmg reduction

She basically has 5k ehp

[weak gazelle]

but from tfn sk not that dangerous at all

[storm current]

Well

Tfn also give you some buff

[remote ice]

Steamknight is a girl?

Oh wait

[weak gazelle]

when croissant be very good tanker for sk

[remote ice]

You were talking about cement

[storm current]

Yes

[remote ice]

Oops me dumb

[storm current]

Steamknight is actually a robot

No gender

[weak gazelle]

yeah tfn have that cheat buff called repair kit

[remote ice]

Real

[storm current]

Supposedly

[remote ice]

Repair kit op

[storm current]

Spectacular SK is stronger than H11-4 SK

[glass monolith]

So she Quartz but you don't have to cope Stainless S3 in
#strategy message

[storm current]

Thats just quercus shenanigan

[glass monolith]

Spec SK is like 60 ATK more than H one, which is +180 damage to hyper punch.... While we have small buff of +30% HP lol lmao even

[weak gazelle]

but i try without using it on spec
and that thing hit real hard

[neat skiff]

The last steam knight is a dude.

[storm current]

Is it

[neat skiff]

Sir Charles Lynch.

[storm current]

Oh ye

Idk

[neat skiff]

Steam knights are manned mecha armour.

[storm current]

I wonder

Is cement dred stronger than regular +20% def of protector

Is more def better than dred

[neat skiff]

That is on a per attack basis.

[storm current]

Protector have more base def too

[neat skiff]

Since dRED is after def.

[weak gazelle]

if cement solo tanking sk
that impossible even with medic help

[storm current]

Cement has like 700 base def

Lets say

[neat skiff]

688 with no pots and no module.

[storm current]

700 def vs enrage possessed soldier

Which is 1000 normal

1750 red ver

[neat skiff]

Then 3642 hp.

[storm current]

A regular protector prob has 1k def without skill, if they have the 20% def mod

Cement will take more dmg from regular

But less dmg from red ver

Hoshi has like 1.3k def tho

And nian is like 1.4k

[neat skiff]

Cement with module.
3624 hp 788 def
Nian 20% def while blocking
5190 hp 1235 def once all 3 shields are popped.
Nian 4 block
5625 hp 756 def (6183 hp with 3 other defenders deployed)
Hoshi 20% while blocking
4050 hp 1541 def
Hoshi 4 block
3850 hp 1201 def
Hoshi has S2M3 since these are "drop and AFK" numbers.

[storm current]

Prob better to not include the 4 block one

Since those are not for heavy tanking

[neat skiff]

I did it just for full comparison sake.

Since it was like a full 45 mins to an hour of talking about it.

[storm current]

I think dred is weird

[weak gazelle]

who is dred?

[storm current]

Is it supposed to be better if enemies hit harder?

[neat skiff]

Especially since Hoshi 4 block gets used in regular content due to boosting reflect damage.

[storm current]

Dred is dmg reduction

Since dmg reduction is too long

[weak gazelle]

ohh lol
i tho someone name

[storm current]

Ye i would get hoshi 4 block over the + def one

Since hoshi is pretty much

Only used for the long range/global enemies now

[neat skiff]

Plus we very rarely have a need to block powerful enemies.

[storm current]

Usually

[neat skiff]

More often than not we work to kill them without ever blocking them if possible.

[storm current]

People just use specter/spectral for those case

Or nuke

Or just

Doesnt block

Steamknight is one of the rare case where you have to block i guess

Cuz cant exactly nuke him

[neat skiff]

Hell, TN#2 was the first time in quite a while where Saria wasn't enough of a defender.

[storm current]

But in the end, i did it anyway

Cuz lmao

I think its understandable

Nowadays

[neat skiff]

If she doesn't get one shot self healing will always last longer than raw def.

[storm current]

Boss dont do physical

They just do art or true dmg

Or some case, forced retreat

[weak gazelle]

well imo
cement is not for newbies and it is impractical
her kit is weird and cycle are worrying but still its interesting at least for veteran player

[neat skiff]

Juno and Thanik stepped down as admins.

[flint laurel]

i see

[storm current]

She look wacky af ye

[flint laurel]

anyway

[storm current]

But impractical for most people

Even if its for SK

[neat skiff]

CN recently passed 300 ops.

[storm current]

86 6* by now

[neat skiff]

If it's not powercreep it's interesting. Or ignored.

[storm current]

Tbh

If one day

Mlynar get powercrept

Its pretty fucked

[flint laurel]

wait wait

[weak gazelle]

well yeah
when croissant do way better tanking sk as a fellow 5* defender

[storm current]

[flint laurel]

isnt cement def is like stupid

[neat skiff]

Like, going back to recent 5 stars. This year along we have Cantabile, Firewhistle, and "oh right, Insider is actually pretty good".

[storm current]

But she kinda do worse vs everything else

[neat skiff]

Cement S2 before she gets hit is stupid.

[flint laurel]

amazing

[weak gazelle]

first is how we manage her sp cycle?

[neat skiff]

She gets 20 stacks of +21% def, each instance of damage she takes removes 1 layer.

[flint laurel]

we dont

we just forgot and then shes instantly up

[storm current]

Firewhistle is a bit underwhelming for my taste

She is like half of horn dmg

[neat skiff]

Module and SP batteries.

[storm current]

[flint laurel]

ew

[storm current]

I think ash lock is a bit nicer, her cycle is super fast

Can 1 cycle most elite

[neat skiff]

Hence "out of all 5 stars this year there is these examples of decent ones".

[weak gazelle]

it need module and sp battery
that alone already too costly to make her sp problem solved

[storm current]

Personally

I think morgan is quite good too

Since there isnt that many hard hitting helidrop prob

Issue is just

If they can get morgan

They prob wont need her

[flint laurel]

OH WAIT

shes eun type

[storm current]

Chapter 12 welfare

[flint laurel]

fuck

ok yeah shes horrible

[weak gazelle]

5* this year?
simply harmonie
no one close to her in term of quality

[storm current]

Compare to franka who hit like 1.9k dph, relies on ignore def

[neat skiff]

2023 only. Cantabile, Proviso, Highmore, Dagda, Paprika, Lunacub, Qanipalaat, Puzzle, Harmonie, Jieyun, firewhistle, Windchimes.
Then upcoming Rathalos Noir Corne, Morgan, Cement, Melanite, Insider, Spuria, Santalla, Valarqvin, Poncirus, Bryophyta, Coldshot, Almond.

[storm current]

Morgan choose to hit harder instead

[weak gazelle]

oh right canta are this year or last year?

[storm current]

This year for us

[neat skiff]

Jan 16 this year.

[storm current]

Last year for Cn

[weak gazelle]

so canta and harmonie as the best 5* for this year until today

[storm current]

Interesting

Is harmonie that good

Or is iris and indigo better

Is her s2 cycle carrying her

[neat skiff]

Back in invitation to wine due to attacking every second.

But the fixed 250 damage per tick is painful.

[storm current]

Also

I think highmore is quite good

[neat skiff]

Then "ignore unblocked" is easier to work around than sleep or bind.

[weak gazelle]

capable to slow invisible enemy is something good

[storm current]

I might be biased

But she can just work by herself in IS

[neat skiff]

Highmore is good but not "bring to a regular squad" good.

[storm current]

I mean

At worst

She is a worse la pluma

Her element heal is sometimes useful

[weak gazelle]

highmore huh?
her best talent locked to IS only

[storm current]

For chapter 9 and others

Wait

9

[neat skiff]

Highmores biggest strength is being part of a great archetype.

[storm current]

Yea archetype really make or break a kit

Like how duelist ruin cement kit

[neat skiff]

Again, look at Insider. Dude has so much going for him that being a 5 star marksman is the biggest thing working against him.

[storm current]

Just archetype issue

I wonder

Is being pioneer a bad thing, or good thing for poncirus

When stat up, she get like

600 atk 700 def 3k hp iirc

Hold on

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
insider is a good operator that sadly pick a fell off archetype

[neat skiff]

I'mma still raise him.

[storm current]

I think hes fine for most newbie

Marksman both fall off and is essential

[neat skiff]

For a 5 star Ash who doesn't rely on stun...

[weak gazelle]

600+ atk with s2 active
its really low

[timber hinge]

Aren't kits designed and balanced along with archetype in mind? It'd be kind of dumb to think a character's kit is designed first then archetype arbitrarily chosen afterwards

[weak gazelle]

even cant beat texas base atk

[neat skiff]

?

[storm current]

he meant poncirus

[neat skiff]

Ahh that. Yeah Poncirus is just undertuned.

[storm current]

yea she is more defensive

they are experimenting the perma dp mechanic too

[turbid badge]

It takes like 80 secs to get to perma right

[storm current]

longer lol

[turbid badge]

[storm current]

95s

[neat skiff]

What would really help is not needing 70 seconds.

[storm current]

cuz she similar to thorns

[weak gazelle]

shittier than zima and slightly better than courier
its a very concerning value for poncirus

[storm current]

you need to wait until her skill duration to expire

[neat skiff]

S2M3 40 cost, 25 initial.
15 charge, 15 duration, 40 charge, infinite.

S2L7 is 78 seconds.
19 charge, 15 duration, 44 charge, infinite.

[storm current]

~700 def and ~2.6k hp

thats all she has

wow

[turbid badge]

thats kinda mid

[storm current]

she lack number really hard

[turbid badge]

when i can judt

spend more dp for a defender

its like castles offering on a Vg

[neat skiff]

Then you get into how she generates less DP/s than Courier/Scavenger S1L7. Which is something like 1/4 of the investment.

If she were a welfare I would be more forgiving, but she is gacha.

[storm current]

if its 1 dp every 3 second tho

[weak gazelle]

idk about how hg design a character
they decide kit first before archetype or other way around

[storm current]

she would be too broken

cuz 1 dp every 3s is m3 s1 of dp skill

but going 1 every 4s is just so underwhelming

[neat skiff]

S2M3 should have been 3.5 seconds or something.

She is still a 5 star cost. Then masteries mean E2.

[weak gazelle]

no, it still shit as kohld mention about cost

[storm current]

wow

upcoming 5* are just

sad

[weak gazelle]

there is no saving grace for poncirus

[neat skiff]

Yup.

[storm current]

if you compare this line up to the upcoming one

just so much gap

[neat skiff]

Hence Insider being like "$2 party popper and a mild yaayyyy"

[weak gazelle]

yeah upcoming 5* are just sad

[neat skiff]

Good, but 2nd place at best. 2nd place in an archetype that very heavily depends what stage player you are.

[storm current]

previous line up is quite sad too

out of them

proviso is ok

[turbid badge]

lmao jeez

[storm current]

high more is IS specific

dagda is honestly meh

paprika is worse than perfumer

qani is super dog

[neat skiff]

Proviso is meta in the base. That gives her a reason to spend orundum right away.

[storm current]

i mean

even if not a base unit

she is still ok overall

upgraded podenco

[weak gazelle]

bryophyta is just... forget it
treat him as a passerby

[storm current]

fast skill cycle

bryo is def version of swire

[weak gazelle]

or just some random dude that need a shelter

[turbid badge]

lmao 😂

[neat skiff]

Bryo is a worse Whislash, while Whislash is actively available for record restore right now.

[storm current]

whislash issue is uh

[turbid badge]

uhh

[storm current]

bad skill cycle

but at least dps is not bad

[weak gazelle]

you only want her deff buff
and she provide that easily

[storm current]

especially after they buff instructor trait

[neat skiff]

I genuinely do not get why instructors all suck ass but bards are like "lol suck it".

Even the 1 star bard has uses. They're meme stun uses, but they're uses.

[storm current]

ngl

[turbid badge]

Huh

[storm current]

i just realize instructor has vanguard stat

[turbid badge]

what does lol suk it mean

[turbid badge]

i mean arent they like 13 dp

[storm current]

like

this is whislash

[glass monolith]

420

[turbid badge]

does that include the pots?

[storm current]

this is siege

lol

[turbid badge]

its -3

[neat skiff]

Ok, to in the before times of the late 1900's "suck it" meant like "suck a dick" and was used as an explination of "I'm better than you".

[storm current]

no pot included

[turbid badge]

ou

[weak gazelle]

well thats why you play viola s1 only

[storm current]

pallas got the vigor effect carrying her

[weak gazelle]

her s2 is practically have no use

[storm current]

so that her atk can exceed 1k

instructor is uh

quite tragic

i wonder if theres other design failure archetype