strategy

[cyan gorge]

This is always as far as I get before everything goes to shit

[lucid mirage]

@soft crystal @pallid veldt any of you had to deal with this? Because I sure as hell haven't.

[pallid veldt]

nah i know what hes talking about

but like

just dont put ur ops right next to the blue box

and it wont happen

[livid delta]

Wait I just realized
Is Mandark imbalance immune

[pallid veldt]

what hes talking about is like when you kill chp 10 enemies and they spawn their little slugs

[deft badger]

u don't have a op guarding left, u used all of it to kill mud
penuat cant tank bot and take airstrikes

[pallid veldt]

their slugs dont spawn at a fixed position

an example of this which happens to me a lot is like in sanguinarchs legacy if you splitbox the first mob while it is partly in the blue box, oftentimes the resulting slug spawns further into the blue box and auto-leaks

kinda stupid but

i dont really think it matters here

[lucid mirage]

Ngl, splitboxing an enemy halfway into the blue box on TN sounds like skill issue to me.

Just block them with mudrock like chap 10.

[latent anvil]

I mean enemies do spawn in different spots from the red box even in auto deploy

[deft badger]

@cyan gorge
mud - reed, healer, surtr + texas
let golem leak
use what ever to guard left side
mud dies - remove everything leave reed if tower isnt full charged, leave the op that is guarding left side

manfred let him walk a round when he gets in to the corner block with texas place mud bot so that airstrikes hit him
remove reed from left side will show u where to place her
place healer for texas 1 healer if u use the device
let it run till he goes in p2, replace texas with surtr so that the inc ads from top right spawn can pass and don't get stuck on her keep manfred there afk till he dies

reed red, blue healer, black texas, yellow surtr for mud

the op that is guarding left side next to the tower to charge them, not going to need heals towers heal as well

wave 2 place reed here for wave 3 till u w8 for manfred to die

wave 2 end put nian in the corner infront reed

to take air strike

texas ads all over the place after SK passes mid put mud in the top right corner

ad a healer for nian if needed
when he airstrikes mud since she is lvl60 let 2 drones hit her, block the rest till next airstrike
let airstrike hit her let 2 drons on her block rest u can surtr SK couple times but slow or he will shit airstrikes on mud and she dies

[turbid badge]

???

its fcking 0/24

[plucky flint]

That means he fucked up the moment Manfred shows up

[turbid badge]

I used bena to hold left

she did it w no issues on spectacular until the end where i had to use bagpipe to cstch a leak

left also has the towers that keep healing

[plucky flint]

The fact that he has almost all ops CD means he didn't kill mud fast enough

That's a bit of issue I guess

[turbid badge]

Just kill in the corner

kill out of gramophone range

[deft badger]

thats actually wave 3
-1 healer in his case

[cyan gorge]

Mud dies to chain caster @deft badger

[deft badger]

which perk do u use xD

not the def hp am i right?

[cyan gorge]

the one that buff hp/def/res

[turbid badge]

bruh

[plucky flint]

I don't think u need to bring silence there

[deft badger]

it cant be that mud dies

[glass monolith]

It is hp def heal

[plucky flint]

Idk what she brings in a boss rush stage

[cyan gorge]

She helps a lot vs steam knight

[turbid badge]

do u have Ng

[cyan gorge]

nope

[turbid badge]

Ah fair

[plucky flint]

Is that spectacular?

[deft badger]

is he in p2? if he is to close he did hit mud as well there is a little drone comming out that hits ops
thats why i did say let him go in to the corner

[cyan gorge]

the only NG in my support doesn't have mod

[turbid badge]

spectacular is not too bad

I bursted manfred with Ifrit and reed s2

[plucky flint]

He's gonna die to steamknight with that squad I think

[turbid badge]

yeah he def is

[cyan gorge]

I wish I had a 10th slot for Nian

[turbid badge]

just improvise

[deft badger]

well u dont need

[turbid badge]

u still can leak 5

[deft badger]

or bag

[turbid badge]

u can replace mudrock

[deft badger]

mud s2

[turbid badge]

also is ur nearl on s3

[cyan gorge]

yes

[deft badger]

no chance she dies

[cyan gorge]

Idk e2 60 s2m1 doesn't exactly last long

[deft badger]

mine is the same bro

[turbid badge]

spectacular is 2670x3

[deft badger]

same lvl same mastery xD

[cyan gorge]

Well the fact is she died

[turbid badge]

for steamknight

I really dont like her

just cause shes really expensive

[deft badger]

let the boss walk in the corner

don't block where u did and was he already in p2?

that would explain how she died

[cyan gorge]

I always insta kill phase 1

[deft badger]

ur mud died because he was to close

to her

[cyan gorge]

I just need a method to stall until Pozy comes back up

[deft badger]

when he goes in p2 again he lets some stupid drone out

and don't insta kill him

[tropic valve]

using Repair Kit

[deft badger]

u get ads swarming u

thats why ur mud cant keep up in the first place

[plucky flint]

He's cooking

[cyan gorge]

At the very least, Silence, Suzu, and Qiubai can't be replaced
Pozy is only for fred

[deft badger]

i think u don't need suzu

qiubai can solo guard left side i guess

[cyan gorge]

Mud is impossible to kill without Suzu

I tried

[deft badger]

reed+surtr+texas+towers

[cyan gorge]

You mean the towers that are never on my side

[deft badger]

they are on if u place 2 ranged next to them and qb

they insta charge the moment she takes them over

[turbid badge]

kill mdurock in corner with reed s2 texas s2 and qiubai

[deft badger]

like this

reed where my eyja is facing bot healer where gnosis
qb where thorns

let her get in the corner

w8 2 sec

shoot + drop texas

[cyan gorge]

So I'm left with this

[deft badger]

nian, mud

last what u want

pozy, healer, spalter, skadi last depends what u will need at sk how the fight goes on

[turbid badge]

spalters nice

[deft badger]

not sure if reed can clear all of it but texas s2 should be enough to not leak some little ad

[cyan gorge]

Pozy, Shamare, Kazemaru or another frd is my thought

[deft badger]

bring more dmg look how it goes

[cyan gorge]

More dmg might hurt more than help against steamknight

[deft badger]

btw manfred p2 qb ulty

at the start of p2 the moment they get out ulty

[turbid badge]

are u still bringing suzu

[deft badger]

when they come out

[cyan gorge]

But I'll always miss a car

[deft badger]

just keep a closer watch a that place when he goes in p2 hold texas ready

when p2 starts u replace her for surtr

so that guys inc from top don't get stuck

u will be able to drop her left side if u are about to leak

[cyan gorge]

So what now?

[deft badger]

now let him walk a round the moment he gets in the corner

[turbid badge]

do u have texas masteries?

should kill

mines m0

[cyan gorge]

S3m3, s2m1

[deft badger]

block with texas place heler on top next to device healing texas

[turbid badge]

yea shud kill

[turbid badge]

stall w nian(

?

sounds easiest

[deft badger]

no

casters will kill the healer

nian dies

all dies

he has nothing there to kill the casters

but yes he could do actually if he drop texas on them

depends if ur healer can take it 😄

[cyan gorge]

Reed can survive, Silence won't

[deft badger]

is that the last difficulty?

if its last she can survive with device active

anyway let walk block in corner, healer upper tiles somewhere facing nian

here would be the better one

place mud

[cyan gorge]

Yeesh

[deft badger]

recall fast the rest of the stuff

reed isn't in place -.-

u will have to rr xD

[cyan gorge]

QB can stall for a bit

I'll have everything up for SK

[turbid badge]

?

[deft badger]

this part she has to be there when wave 3 starts

[turbid badge]

noicr

[deft badger]

on this tile

facing right nian has to be ready to drop at the start of the wave

[cyan gorge]

Look I have a SK strat already, I was only stuck on fred

[deft badger]

if u menage then gg

here is ultimate tn-4 kal, texas, surtr, replace thorns with something that fits
rest is just whatever situational fillers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE_rZfXWLwo

[cyan gorge]

5% fucking health and I lost

Mud cost me everything

72 fucking dp

and I didn't even need her

[cyan gorge]

for fred

[deft badger]

mud prevents him from nuking the rest of ur team

when he goes up

[cyan gorge]

She dies to arts missle

[deft badger]

and u place mud 2 times actually

yes because u have to bait

[cyan gorge]

She is the bait

and that's the problem

[deft badger]

drones come out hit her take shield away

rockets hit she doesn't have shield and she is dead

😄

[cyan gorge]

Either way, Mud for sure isn't the play

too expensive

[deft badger]

how is she expensive if u place her 2 times

54 is the 2nd time

[cyan gorge]

She. dies.

Nian dies at the end so I need someone to take her place

[turbid badge]

yea thags why i dont like her

[turbid badge]

I used surtr

and just melted with surtr and exas

[cyan gorge]

I didn't have enough dp

[turbid badge]

ah

[cyan gorge]

cause fucking mud

[deft badger]

thats my transit in to wave 3

[robust tide]

Hoshi still die even with Shining buff. 😒

[deft badger]

2 of my ops stand already in wave 2 and i have 99

[cyan gorge]

I already cleared fred so I can drop Mud anyways

Pozy didn't do anything either

[turbid badge]

anyways fun

[deft badger]

mud is the reason u pass wave 2

if u drop her i don't know how u plan on doing it xD

[cyan gorge]

No she wasn't

[deft badger]

ok

[cyan gorge]

the cannon hit Nian 9/10 times

[deft badger]

ah because she was blocking casters

thats why u did have to deploy 2 healers there

just use texas to block him

or surtr

1block

[cyan gorge]

Imma keep doing it my way

[deft badger]

ok

[turbid badge]

They have nian tbh

i used spalter for cannon

rarity abusing feels so nice , texas s2 and surtr damage stonks

[deft badger]

the point is that he doesn't have to force it, stupid things happen when u force shit

insta killing him ads will swarm u

mud is great at getting nuked since she is taking 0 dmg, manferd dies afk u do need 1 block to hold him and a healer to heal the block

while he afk dies u place for wave 3

[cyan gorge]

Tbh I just don't like Mud if not doing fun things with s3

[deft badger]

u have to deploy more u have to waste dp and so on then u fail in wave 3, less deploys u will have a much better time playing this stupid event and its actually easy

[flat sapphire]

deadass u can redeploy ur whole squad save for 1 laneholder before steamknight even starts moving

yes i've done it coz i used AH

MAN is easy kill with pozy/schwarz/fartooth

[turbid badge]

schwarz gaming

[cyan gorge]

This buff

[flat sapphire]

manfred? more like standtheredoingnothingfred

[deft badger]

6/34
my team stands already

i can afk if my mud would be like lvl70 xD

but i have to bait drones in the end so that she doesn't die to airstrikes

[flat sapphire]

schwarz/pozy just kills most of the bosses easy

[deft badger]

i am the stall guy if i don't have to nuke something 😄

tn-3 works fine with stall after u nuke mud away

tn-4 u can have fun nuking, kal - texas - surtr brt brt brt all over the place

[cyan gorge]

What's the range of SK's missile attack on phase 2?

[turbid badge]

it attacks highest hp

i usually use ng cage

to bait

[deft badger]

all over the place, atks 2 highes hp targets

[turbid badge]

since its 6k HP

[cyan gorge]

I meant distance from SK himself

[flat sapphire]

global

[cyan gorge]

Oh

[turbid badge]

yea its global

[cyan gorge]

that's makes it simple

I can't prevent Nian from dying on the last 2 barrages

I'll try NG borrow

if that don't work then I'll give up

[deft badger]

lumen

[cyan gorge]

E0

[deft badger]

then take ng or borrow a lumen

he heals 1,5k on hit xD

with lantern and perk

[flat sapphire]

ng works well coz it's arts

[deft badger]

nian drops to 30%

lumen insta pops her on full
NG yes cool nice ulty, but she doesn't top lumens ST heals

[flat sapphire]

15 res without s3 and u can bait nuke with cage

[cyan gorge]

It targets based on max hp, not current hp right?

[flat sapphire]

u shouldn't even get close to dying

max HP

[cyan gorge]

5k hp cage

[flat sapphire]

yeh it's easy baits

[cyan gorge]

I have claimed victory

[fathom gust]

-3

[cyan gorge]

Who cares

win is win

[sour steppe]

I just wiped twice on Mudrock

[flat sapphire]

[cyan gorge]

My brain is fried so I'll sleep on TN4 for a few days

[deft badger]

tn-4 is free

u have kal texas surtr so its free

[cyan gorge]

That doesn't sound fun so I'll sleep anyways

[deft badger]

• mud till ultimate is all u need to pass

[cyan gorge]

[deft badger]

ture u can go brain afk and just nuke them 😄

[cyan gorge]

I meant Kal + Surt is boring af to use

[flat sapphire]

schwarz/pozy carries better there anyway

[deft badger]

i did e2 kal like 3 weeks ago now was her time to use her but she m0 so i did have to borrow kal from someone, she will be benched till m3 and there is a stage i need her again 😄

[flat sapphire]

smoke is a joke with typewriter

u can just place smoke anywhere lol

[cyan gorge]

I'll use Pozy cause I simp

[deft badger]

did u bait it?

[flat sapphire]

pozy doesn't get targetted by smoke if u use typewriter so EB always places it on last deployed

[deft badger]

i know but still did u have to bait it

the problem is u have to leave place for the 2nd boss

[flat sapphire]

it's literally just placing a frd somewhere

[deft badger]

i did have the problem actually

[flat sapphire]

u have more than enough time to redeploy for andoain

[deft badger]

ok i should have gone in with some ops but nvm texas does fine solo killing him

[flat sapphire]

andoain is also paper

guy dies in one cycle

[dry skiff]

Most shit with field gimmicks are paper

[sullen rover]

imagine if it wasnt imagine if it was like fuck this one particular tile on the entire map

[deft badger]

thats how it did look like after he died

[plucky flint]

Talulah:

[flat sapphire]

[deft badger]

well texas was 1v1 him xD

but ok mud is clear

[plucky flint]

Bro spawncamped EB then says he doesn't have enough time to redeploy

[deft badger]

and the tile i need to be clear for monster

[plucky flint]

Truly skill issue

[deft badger]

he got in p2 like this

and monster was waiting on him on top left then

[flat sapphire]

what the mud doing

[deft badger]

killing ads

and stalling for wave 3

[sullen rover]

he needs to kill the imperial strikers one tile earlier its essential trust

[flat sapphire]

not the 2block guys she isn't

[deft badger]

w8 for wave 3 😄

wave 3 like this

nuke nuke till she gets here and ultimate done

[ancient hearth]

nian hospital moment

[cyan gorge]

If it works don't fix it

[ancient hearth]

TN-4 honestly wasn't that bad. Maintainence kit + Saria S3 lets you tank the Taluhah fireballs

EB phase 1 I killed with Schwarz and a cherry tap from texas. Phase 2 farts went on GG, texas, Surtr, and Schwarz again (mod x)

[cyan gorge]

I can do EB with Ch'en, Pozy, and Gravel

[ancient hearth]

Adoian is paper. And Saria and Mountain can hold blue box through Taluhah fireball wave, though you might leak 1

[pallid veldt]

modX

dies of cringe

[ancient hearth]

hey, it lets her come back in time to beat both taluhah and eb phases

gotta do what you gotta do

[pallid veldt]

i think for EB

i kill p1 with schwarz

and then wait for him to travel all the way to top lane

while redeployment timers reset

and kill him with kal s3

[ancient hearth]

you don't need to do that

[pallid veldt]

yeah obviously

but it is convenient for me

because redeployment timers reset

no reason to kill him earlier

[ancient hearth]

his 3rd loitering spot, in the bottom middle, he gets pushed to the right when you deploy on him

sorry, meant left

puts him in schwarz range from the top

[pallid veldt]

he is already almost dead from my texas s3 cycles

on UFO

i think

i dunno

hes squishy asf anyways

[ancient hearth]

eh, i was on S2 for texas

[pallid veldt]

oh

[ancient hearth]

wanted taluhah dead faster so less fire cancer

[pallid veldt]

i think schwarz modY kills talulah faster

doesnt matter

schwarz powerful...

[ancient hearth]

well, I had schwarz, ntrk, texas, and surtr up for the taluhah phase 2

so, she ded

[gentle finch]

meow

[jaunty bluff]

How to clear this when the maximum ops we can bring can't even exceed 9? Or are summons included as well?

[main halo]

AH number one

[gentle finch]

you can do it over the course of three waves

have 5 deployed in the first wave move to second wave

repeat and they move to third wave

[open mica]

Cheeto + warf = no more drone (60% def ignorance)

Btw do Talulah in TN-4 is at her full power

Or even more powerful?

[sullen rover]

no she does zero dmage and also no civillians

just place down ng

[ancient hearth]

she feels weaker, but I can't tell if it's because she's actually weaker, or if the buffs we get are too strong

[open mica]

I’m not really concern about talulah but I hate emperor’s blade

[sullen rover]

hes dies to firewatch pozy you can probably even surtr him hes like made of wet sand lol

[deft badger]

she is much weaker then in ep8

[open mica]

At least if he’s not as bruh as one we know before then it’s alright, what could possibly go wrong

[sullen rover]

he farts once at p1 and 3 times at phase 2 iirc just bait his farts

[open mica]

I want to know if the normal and elite with him is strong or no, cause him alone is not a massive bruh

[deft badger]

non of them hit nearly as strong like they did in the past event

[sullen rover]

oh just leak the drone if you want siege probably solos a lane with the glasglow buff lol

you can use pozy and not leak the drone if you want

[open mica]

I don’t have pozy after 200~ so I choose leak, I will go clear it

[deft badger]

u can texas him if u have texas

i would advice taking kal support if u don't have her

u can use her on all 3 waves

[open mica]

It’s been long since last time I use Kal, I will try

[ancient hearth]

real boss of WD EX 8 CM are the last spawn of red imperial strikers

[open mica]

Yes, I hate them as hell

[deft badger]

tn-4 is easy anyway the only problem are the smoke and the white dodge s- that andoain leaves

[sullen rover]

later waves are also easy andoain dies to kal one cycle and talulah just does so little damage with ng that you can probably stall her forever

[deft badger]

u don't want fire b- to go in p2 to early or u will leak

kinder try to leave the ground free so that u have place to fight her

she isn't a problem ads can get one if she deletes u with her fire

[main halo]

EB's here too?

There better not any UFO

[sullen rover]

theres one ufo

[main halo]

EB and UFO truly never seperate

[deft badger]

does that mean at wave 3 i have 60% more dmg?

[main halo]

45%

[deft badger]

or just 30 for each next

[sullen rover]

60%-15% at the start

[deft badger]

wanna try this actually

[main halo]

It's good

[deft badger]

on ultimate lets see how it goes 😄

[brisk pollen]

fishe squad hard carrying 3 aslan noobs

[deft badger]

kinder the same with that perk, mud died 2 times btw because she didn't have the def+ hp+

[jovial nest]

ooooh

in TN-4 there's like multiple tiles that are shared in all waves

this might be the best time to go for 2nd buff

even the bosses all travel on that shared path

i guess it depends on how much fart happens

[deft badger]

i can't use 2nd, mean i can but just for wave 3 and i don't struggle there
my ops have just to stand till the ads are down then they die to fire anyway
surtr+texas finish her p2 form

so that bonus brings me nothing its more important for me that mud doesn't die -.-

[jovial nest]

yeah i was planning on making the perma-ops that share the same positions in wave 3 be akin to NG, Kal, and Skalter

and Thorns

maybe change Kal for someone else

an actual operator that benefits from the buff stacks

having 2 stacks of that 2nd buff is just insanely too good to pass

[deft badger]

don't know but kal makes tn-4 just to easy

[jovial nest]

they made TN-4 map's length be a lot shorter just so the boss auras actually stack

but it also makes for a good 2nd buff stack

I'll go for Mlynar. Bringing Kal on the side

its just that I want whoever stays in the screen for all waves to benefit the ATK

and Mon3tr ain't getting any of it

hmmm I could also go for NTRK S3M3

[deft badger]

monster doesn't need it 😄

[jovial nest]

her dreadnought stats will love all the goodies

[deft badger]

thinking about mylnar now wanted to try it, but nope since monster can be redeployed much faster
if u don't have surtr yes for wave 3

[jovial nest]

2 ground and 3 ranged tiles for ideal compact use...

oh I'm designing my strats on having specific ops be present in all 3 waves

This portion.

is shared by all Waves

making for 2 stacks of 2nd buff

I'm guessing Tal's firestorm is to the east

oh....yeah

Tal's spells

requires ops not to be joined too much

[deft badger]

u don't care about her fire

[jovial nest]

her firestorm is the least of my worries

[deft badger]

if u don't kill her to fast u dont 😄

mylnar her on spawn leave like 20% hp

let her walk in to monster on top coner

till then ads will stop spawning

then just put her in p2

[jovial nest]

the only issue with 2nd buff is it doesn't add hp

[deft badger]

fire everything dies place mylnar she dead

[jovial nest]

so if I managed to have ops of 2x2 all be triggered with the explosion of the spell

the healers will die

[deft badger]

and 2nd buff doesn't help u in wave 3 at all

[jovial nest]

how so? The regen's superb

[deft badger]

if u use any other then the first one then the last is going to help u

which again if u go with mylnar u don't care

because if u go with mylnar thats what u will use for her p2

let me show u what will be left after the fire 😄

[jovial nest]

what i want to abuse with 2nd buff is the battery and high af atk buff

ok

[jovial nest]

i got an idea which also dodges the tal firespell bombing

[deft badger]

only thing standing is mud punching something and surtr in ur case mylnar w8 for her to get in range 😄

[jovial nest]

lets see if it works in basic first

then i will start worrying on the harder ones later

[deft badger]

thats couple sec before p2 starts

anyway they all die to fire which dosn't bother u since all ads have been killed at that point

[jovial nest]

welp.....thats 3 ranged tiles and 1 ground tile down the drain....

CHANGE OF PLANS

goddamn map preview shitting on me

Damn you!

well

if i bother to attempt it...

[scarlet ledge]

lol

[jovial nest]

those tiles can still get 1 stack of 2nd buff

[deft badger]

u place kal wave 1 here

looking up she stay there till 2nd boss dies 😄

[jovial nest]

Kal really doesn't benefit all that much in getting 2 stacks outside of having her skills charge superfast

i guess thats the right move in the end

[deft badger]

i told u non of them need the stack 😂

[jovial nest]

I want a superThorns!

[deft badger]

to atk what spear dudes 😄

[jovial nest]

anyone who dares visit the blue boxes

either way

let me get a clear feel on basic first

then i see if i can optimize the hell out of this

[deft badger]

just stop overthinking it, tn-4 is the easiest of all 😄

[cyan gorge]

How much worse is TN4 ultimate compared to spectacular

[deft badger]

that much worst that i made a video for someone and didn't realize till the end that i am doing ultimate.. when i saw first clear reward i was kinder confused

[jovial nest]

you don't get it.
What i want is pure obliteration!

these events make me want to go all out cause they're never perma

even though TfN deserves to be perma

its fun!

[gentle finch]

I didn't notice a difference

I didn't even read what spectacular did

[cyan gorge]

It's the same but more hp and atk

Idk my Saria barely survived spectacular

s1m1 no mod hurts

[jovial nest]

Mmmmm yes. Dem stacks.

Keikaku Doori.

Ok tha works well.

ugh I guess TN-4 Orientation is best done with Nuker squad

it's a free Spinach

[deft badger]

what i told u, u will just helidrop on all 3 bosses 😄

[jovial nest]

That lane was useful in killing Tal Phase 2

also it held on all 3 waves

no need to change laners

[deft badger]

some people have less ops to work with fact u can 4 op or even 3 op it making some new guy believe he has to keep his team alive for some reason is going to confuse them just even more 😂

its ok if u do it for ur own satisfaction

[jovial nest]

oh it wasn't even 3 or 4 ops

heh

my team is high redep

[deft badger]

wave 3, don't leak, don't rush p2, if its 14/15 and p2 is starting u having surtr or mylnar everything can die
p2 helidrop on the boss
gg

[jovial nest]

i guess they didn't want to go full sadist JT8-3/WD-EX-8 and have final waves spawn after the boss dies

none of the squad buffs are worth using

Going full Free squad

[sullen rover]

imagine if it had civillians and more mobs after second fireball wave

[jovial nest]

I'm going full Repair Kit

it's just better overall for high redep squads and laners both

also yeah, TN-3 is hardest of the whole bunch

rushing tower for Mudrock while stalling

and the combination of Artillery with Steam Knight

[thick badger]

I'm stuck at invisible steam knight, still haven't found the way to survive both it and the waves+artillery

[sullen rover]

my repair kit hoshi s2l7 e260 mod1 and ng s3m3 e260 mod1 survived for spec

[jovial nest]

Repair Kit Hoshi S2 just permastalls him

try that

[sullen rover]

true,l

[thick badger]

Oof sounds like a pricey surviving combo

[dry skiff]

Tank it with a Gladiia powered Skadi

[jovial nest]

as long as theres other medics

healing her

[sullen rover]

its just 2 ops

[jovial nest]

Gladiia Mod3 might work too

[sly drift]

Man.. diff 15 is nonsense

[deft badger]

i expected more from u

mud
eyja gnosis just charging, tower

he dies to nukes
eyja waiting for wave 3

wave 3 start

after he lauches rockets on mud let drones hit her 2 times then bait drones so that she has a shield for the next rockets

if u even use mud

[loud heath]

Does this man always look down on people or is it just me

[sullen rover]

how dare you not be a giga arknight sweat tryhard

[deft badger]

i think u didn't get that i was joking when i told him that i expected more 😄

[loud heath]

heavens!!

[deft badger]

joking in a way actually still expected more, considering him to have a much bigger brain then i do lol

[loud heath]

Okay bro i get it

[deft badger]

well u don't again!

[fringe jackal]

does Kal work with repair kit to stall steamknight?

[sullen rover]

repair kit desc says all operators so im assuming it doesnt work on summons

[deft badger]

how much def does monster have?

[fringe jackal]

Oh I guess operator only...

fml

[dry skiff]

I really doubt monst3r can stall SK
Considering Kal'sit shit healing

[fringe jackal]

yeh it doesn't work

[deft badger]

but even if it would work on monster still doesn't have enough def

[sullen rover]

you can giga buff and also use s2 for her to have bigger healing on monster

[dry skiff]

Not enough Giga

[sullen rover]

just wait for more buffers ig

[loud heath]

With some bodies, monster can kinda stall him

On basic and orient u just need texalter

[dry skiff]

You mean like swapping bodies whenever monst3r die?

[deft badger]

do u have specter?

[fringe jackal]

no

[sullen rover]

that feels like a waste of slot considering i needed like 4 slots to kill mud already

[loud heath]

shiver me timbers

[deft badger]

skadi?

[dry skiff]

Just believe in the power of AH

[fringe jackal]

nope I'm probably going to try borrowing hoshi and prayg

[loud heath]

Well i used canti texalter and monster to hold steamknight it kinda worked

[deft badger]

hoshi can with just 1 healer a good st healer

[sullen rover]

hoshi and ng repair kit did it for me

theyre both e260 mod1

[fringe jackal]

gonna try that

[sullen rover]

just keep in mind when to use her skill

[dry skiff]

Oh
Not using s2?

[loud heath]

Is the rocket attack arts

[sullen rover]

nah

ive like never even used her s2 lol

[sullen rover]

it is

[loud heath]

oh cool

[turbid badge]

yea that works really well tbh

i literally stalled with dagda/bagpipe/indra swapping

tbh indra kinda cheats

cuz 36% phys dodge

and 40% dr

on all but yea monster cant probably stall alone

as healing effectiveness wont buff passive regen

So only kal hps getting buffed

[loud heath]

[jovial nest]

Perfect. Managed to control all the farts outside my stuff

Ultimate is gonna be smoother with this

ok....throwing this run in wave 3 just to make things smoother next time by unlocking wave 2 superbuff. My 2nd buff just became worthless when my laners died

[main halo]

Is it bedtime already Tal?

[jovial nest]

Cleanest so far. No farts, no lights on my area. And double stacks will be coming for Galter, NG, Poze, and Thorns

awww Poze got shit RNG dodge on NG S3

[scarlet ledge]

nice

[scarlet ledge]

real bedtime

[timid acorn]

Stainless + repair kit actually guarantees she survives the triple hit regardless of dodge

[turbid badge]

so does the adderdale

[timid acorn]

true but allerdale has limited uses

[terse rock]

What counts as a laterano operator?

[scarlet ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588958885150721/1147104106759082076/image.png

[terse rock]

O the angels

Can I use exusiai for the drone quest?

[south bone]

Exu doesn't count mind you

[foggy grove]

no

just borrow chetto

easy

[high crest]

Not necessarily cause exu is sankta but she's with penguin logistics not laterano faction

Id say she is born in laterano but not in faction with the laterano like mostima fia also is not a sankta but she's in laterano faction

[loud heath]

kekw indra

[glass monolith]

Do trial tasks for EXP:
Farm trial for clear EXP:

[loud heath]

Farm trials for exp while attempting to clear the task

[thick badger]

u gave me the motivation to spend 3 hours on it and finally with a borrowed hoshi and 3 medics I was able to beat spectacular TN-3 lol, thx

stalling invisible mecha knight was boring af tho

[near folio]

Hellagod

[loud heath]

old men fights

[fringe jackal]

I finally finished TN-3 spectacular
I nearly failed but then I saw that seige had come off cooldown and was able to take the last mm of health off invisible steamknight
Ended up using Reduction module + reed alter borrow because I only had boss killers and couldn't borrow hoshi or else I wouldn't be able to get the DPS to get past mudrock

[thick badger]

nice job, yeah I used my own Reedic so I was able to borrow Hoshi

[fringe jackal]

debuffs are so stronk

[weak gazelle]

uhh....
hope next map more fun

[fringe jackal]

d-define fun

[weak gazelle]

not as weak as this 2 boss

[fringe jackal]

TN-3 is "fun"

it took me 2 days to pass it because I'm a brainlet...

I can see the movements of the bosses in my dreams

[weak gazelle]

i see

lmao

[fringe jackal]

[loud heath]

literally me

[glass monolith]

YO CC-CENTRAL REVIVED

[loud heath]

???

[fringe jackal]

it revived and then closed, does that count

[foggy grove]

i mean it's closed before

revived as in it's visible again

[delicate furnace]

I also had a hard time completing TN-3 cuz of the stupid gramophones.

[glass monolith]

At this moment, mudrock knew, she fucked up

[fringe jackal]

damn that's some magic, I tried taking over the terminals and I converted it for all of 30 seconds

[thick badger]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-just-use-weedy-weedy-gif-26448477

[heady hedge]

omg time to use executor the ex foedere on tn2

[foggy grove]

you can borrow mine

[fringe jackal]

He will be mine

[noble pewter]

how does the push work? must be m3? if cannon n weedy together it = more push?

[neat skiff]

So, shifting works in 2 stages.

First is enemy weight vs push/pull strength.

The second is "how many pushes/pulls have been applied?"

So lets say you have a push force of 2 and the enemy weighs 3. A single push will shift them 1/2 a tile. 2 pushes will be applied separately but the momentum the enemy gets is added together so the enemy will move something like 0.9 tiles.

[glass monolith]

I didn't really do any weight math, Weedy S3M3 cannon is most powerful push in game, also cannon next to weedy give her extra SP so i activate at time

[neat skiff]

Weedy at M3 has a push force of 3, then her cannon has a push force of 4 thanks to her talent. So they do their math then that gets added up.

[noble pewter]

as long the enemy still in movement then the other push momentum will be combined or sth? some sort of window?

[neat skiff]

It's how you get things like Swire alter pushing enemies to the opposite side of the map due to 10 individual pushes that get added together.

[neat skiff]

The answer to that is basically "black magic, hope, jank and "sure, I guess"".

"Mostly, but sometimes it's weird"

[clever finch]

never have i been more annoyed by a piece of steel before tn-3 :(
im struggling to beat the steam knight because bro can just decide to fuck off in the sky, y'all got any cool ideas?

it's the hard version too

[jovial nest]

1st buff

defender with high def

that can be healed

enjoy

[clever finch]

ah

1st buff is ironically the only one i hadn't tried yet, damn

thanks for the tip tho

[jovial nest]

same

i was never a fan of stall

I prefer cycling through bodies than outright stall

[glass monolith]

I still can't find video of SN-10 where several pushers push boss over fenced tiles making AI freeze

[clever finch]

might have to use mudrock s1 again which is insane to say

[jovial nest]

no

just no

[clever finch]

lol.

[jovial nest]

actual healable

[clever finch]

yeah fair

[sullen rover]

mudrock dies to rocket move lol

[clever finch]

prolly just cuora or saria or something

[jovial nest]

Dude

NEVER ever

think about Saria for tanking

[clever finch]

heals

[jovial nest]

if Saria stalls something

[neat skiff]

I used Hoshi and Saria as tanks.

[jovial nest]

the boss was trivial

[sullen rover]

i mean shes a defender and theres also a dr reduction mod..

[jovial nest]

Just Cuora imo

[clever finch]

well i'll see once i get there after my food's ready

[neat skiff]

Does Cuora have enough health for the cannon?

[clever finch]

thanks for the heads up

[honest onyx]

mine e2l50 with mod lv3 she has 3.1k hp

[clever finch]

big

[jovial nest]

Here I am waiting for Cement

[neat skiff]

So down to 100 health after each cannon.

[jovial nest]

to be my go-to stall

tank

[honest onyx]

take that HP buff that should work for cuora

I forgot that buff name

[jovial nest]

I prefer Cement because there's an advantage to having 1 block tanks

they don't have to be damaged unnecessarily by mobs joining in on the fun

[neat skiff]

Yeah, Cement honestly looks to be a bunch of fun.

[jovial nest]

Her damage negation is insanity

that her theoretical HP is high af

[neat skiff]

Doesn't she have like 3500 def and 20% phys damage reduction?

Sorry, 38%

And 3423 def.

[jovial nest]

yep

[neat skiff]

Ok, yeah I goof'd and did it as def% and not +def%

[jovial nest]

her damage reduction is huge

wasn't she used in Pinchout?

as the actual tank?

wait no

there's more than 1 to tank there

btw

I've seen a video of Nian skillless tanking Steam Knight with Shining

how is Nian in tanking vs Cement?

[lucid mirage]

Nian better for afk tanking. Cement has a phys dmg immunity if you have Lin and skill is active.

I'd probably use Nian more often if I had her ngl. But Cement has place for outright no-selling phys heavy bosses for 25s.

And even after the skill duration is over, 38% phys dmg reductuon is big.

Come to think if it, Cement probably just better for tanking phys bosses thanks to that dr. Brb gonna math it out.

[neat skiff]

Cement pot 4
3642 hp 815 def
Nian pot 1
4755 hp 796 def before either module.

Then Cement has her passive phys reduction.

[jovial nest]

oh so the issue is Cement's tankability is duration based

wait no

my question is

how does Cement's passive phys reduction compare to Nian's skilless tanking?

based on Khold's numbers, it feels like Cement wins

[lucid mirage]

H stages don't have a stage wide atk buff right?

[jovial nest]

since HP has theoretical ones from reduction

[lucid mirage]

Eh. Nian really needs mod 3. Without it she's a lot weaker.

[neat skiff]

Since it's physical damage reduction it's like she has a variable amount of temporary def that gets calculated before her actual def.

[lucid mirage]

The passive +21% def and atk one.

[lucid mirage]

dmg reduction kicks in after the damage formula though.

[jovial nest]

yeah that makes more sense, right?

DEF minuses the damage

and then reduction of damage kicks in since the damage is about to be dealt

[lucid mirage]

It's why Red and Aciddrop don't do shit against the sanguinarch stuff in chap 10.

[jovial nest]

right?

[lucid mirage]

Dmg reduction can actually lower dmg received to below the 5% chip dmg.

[neat skiff]

Derp, it is after. My bad.

[lucid mirage]

Man having it kick in before would be so OP.

[jovial nest]

so who's the skilless tank winner?

wait lemme check something...

Cement's mods

[neat skiff]

If we're allowing Hoshi S2 in the mix...

[jovial nest]

go for it

lets add every potential solid stall tank

yeah mod3 allows Cement to have 32% damage reduc

[neat skiff]

38%

With pot 5.

[jovial nest]

lets consider lower pots pls

actually attainable by most

[latent monolith]

Nian with block 4 mod lvl 3 is like 1200 def iirc

Idk about the other mod

[jovial nest]

the other mod adds +20% DEF when blocking

and

[latent monolith]

If S2M3 that's 2374 defense with the 4 block mod

[jovial nest]

if all shields are broke

another +21% DEF

[neat skiff]

Cement pot 1
3642 hp 688 def
Nian pot 1
4755 hp 796 def before either module.
Hoshi pot 1
3850 hp 1065 def with S2.

[latent monolith]

Oh wait I made an error in the calculation nvm

[neat skiff]

No one has any modules.

Give me a bit.

[jovial nest]

thats raw stats without passives or talents, right?

[neat skiff]

With talents.

[latent monolith]

1235 is the def mod not the 4 block one

4 block is just a lot more HP

[neat skiff]

So Nian HP talent and Hoshi def talent and S2.

[jovial nest]

so....damage reduction in a sense is literally DEF....except flexible depending on how high the damage will be taken.

theoretically from that Cement can tank more if her HP can handle it

but how well does it compare?

[latent monolith]

4 block mod lvl 3 is 5811 to 6183 HP on nian

[jovial nest]

wouldn't Nian's DEF mod be better?

4 block is just HP

[latent monolith]

I mean more HP is good

[jovial nest]

yeah but HP issues are solved by healers

high HP with low DEF are poor tanks

so you want DEF as high as possible

[lucid mirage]

Patriot H7-4 3400×4.
Patriot 7-18 NM 2720×4
Steamknight H11-4 2720×3

Cement pot 6
HP 3642
def 628+100+60=815
38% phys dr
Dmg received
Pat H(3400-815)×0.62×4=6410.8
Pat NM (2720-815)×0.62×4=4724.4
SK H (2720-815)×0.62×3=3543.3, 99 hp left (~3%)

Nian pot 1
HP (3699+400+375)×1.16=~5190
def (726+70+80)×1.41=~1235
Dmg received
Pat H(3400-1235)×4=8660, dead
Pat NM(2720-1235)×4=5940, dead
SK H(2720-1235)×3=4455, 735 hp left(~14%)

[latent monolith]

Unless you're using a res tank you want high HP for arts anyways

And most people don't use res tanks

But yeah def mod probably better

[jovial nest]

lets not talk about tanking arts damage

that's a whole different ball game

that i mostly solve using Kal S2M3

[lucid mirage]

Nian is a better afk tank.

[jovial nest]

ooooh

[lucid mirage]

Cement is much stronger while skill is active, provided you use Lin to prevent stacks from dropping.

[timid schooner]

ow

[jovial nest]

so if skilless

Nian wins?

[timid schooner]

my judge girl just b o n k the knight

[lucid mirage]

By a lot yeah.

[jovial nest]

because you want stalls to be skilless

as much as possible

for consistency

also Cement needs Lin huh

[lucid mirage]

With skill, if you don't have Lin, Cement is going to lose those 20 stacks pretty quickly depending on enemy(ies).

[jovial nest]

that's painful to hear

i guess Nian will get her use if i build her

btw

those calcs

[lucid mirage]

I guess Cement is at least a better phys tank than Hoshi.

[jovial nest]

are considering the best mod3s?

[lucid mirage]

Nian is running the def mod, Cement only has 1 mod.

[jovial nest]

yeah thats what i meant

that DEF mod is nothing to laugh at

the amount of passive % on that additional DEF is insane

[lucid mirage]

+20% while blocking, +21% after shields break.

[jovial nest]

yep

and shield WILL break

it always will

or else she's not tanking at all

[lucid mirage]

The craziest part about Nian is honestly her HP.

[neat skiff]

Cement with module.
3624 hp 788 def
Nian 20% def while blocking
4726 hp 1235 def once all 3 shields are popped.
Nian 4 block
5625 hp 756 def (6183 with 3 other defenders deployed)
Hoshi 20% while blocking
4050 hp 1308 def
Hoshi 4 block
3850 hp 1201 def

[latent monolith]

Cement DR is better above about 1920 DPH

[latent monolith]

How 1060 should be 1235 according to my calcs

[lucid mirage]

Hoshi s2 with def mod can beat Nian's def, but the sheer HP difference means Nian can survive the more dangerous stuff without relying on RNG.

[jovial nest]

yeah

[sly drift]

You forgor cuora

[jovial nest]

you want the highest def

but you still want more HP too

just for leeway of healing and how high the damage can go

[lucid mirage]

Cuora is trash for afk tanking.

[jovial nest]

Cuora needs S2

her HP is low AF

Cuora is only recommended for new players because Hoshi is more expensive to raise

[neat skiff]

This is purely afk. Cement and Nian are no skills, Hoshi is S2.

[jovial nest]

and we are considering AFK because you want a consistent stall

not a stall that requires insane CC cycling until skill is up again

too troublesome

[lucid mirage]

[latent monolith]

Cuora has like 1166 def but only around 3.3k HP which is quite insufficient for these scales of stall

[sly drift]

If we're talking about afk isnt Hoshi S2 technically best at being afk

[latent monolith]

Nian can be better

[neat skiff]

See that big wall of numbers I just posted.

[sly drift]

Really?

[neat skiff]

.

[jovial nest]

Nian's HP is just absurd. Also her talent mods just adds so much DEF to Nian as well

[lucid mirage]

I had to cycle shining s3, a stunner, and cuora s2 to cope cuora for h11-4. With skalter buff for good measure.

[latent monolith]

It's very slightly lower def but much more HP

[lucid mirage]

And she died in p2 anyway because that one is stun immune.

[latent monolith]

Nian afk tank H11-4 SK

[jovial nest]

yeah thats why i was curious

[neat skiff]

The hardest part is actually pulling Nian.

[jovial nest]

there's actual AFK tanking in H11-4

and i'm curious if Cement beats Nian

[latent monolith]

Well tbf you can actually do afk tanking with support

[lucid mirage]

Shining mod 3, skalter s2, bison mod 3 for good measure.

[jovial nest]

HAHAHAHAHAH....I sparked for her purely for base....and limited ops collection

[sly drift]

Bruh. Ain't no way Nian offskill better than hoshi S2. It feels unreal

[latent monolith]

Nian is simply the one that afk survives without any survivability support and only healing

[sly drift]

Haven't see nian number tho

[jovial nest]

dude

go up

[neat skiff]

Yeah, I sparked blue woman so Nian is the only Sui sibling I'm missing.

[jovial nest]

its already there

actually

[sly drift]

It's the 4 block mod. Hoshi go higher with different mod

[jovial nest]

they didn't bother with Hoshi cause even Cement beats her

[latent monolith]

Hoshi 20% while blocking
4050 hp 1308 def

Nian 20% def while blocking
4726 hp 1235 def once all 3 shields are popped.

[neat skiff]

Cement with module.
3624 hp 788 def
Nian 20% def while blocking
4726 hp 1235 def once all 3 shields are popped.
Nian 4 block
5625 hp 756 def (6183 with 3 other defenders deployed)
Hoshi 20% while blocking
4050 hp 1308 def
Hoshi 4 block
3850 hp 1201 def

[jovial nest]

4 block is just shit mod

it loses so much DEF

[timid acorn]

Hoshi can do that too, she just didn't have her 20% def mod on the original run

[latent monolith]

Nian should be 5811 HP with block 4 since she counts as a defender and gets a stack

[sly drift]

You calculated the Hoshi s2 here?
If so then Nian is just unbeatable

Absolute rock

[neat skiff]

For the 4th time. Yes Hoshi S2 is counted.

[ruby forge]

I mean if you aren't including anyone's dodge than yes

[jovial nest]

don't bother

[sly drift]

Rng is just unreliable

[jovial nest]

we're talking consistency

[neat skiff]

No dodge, no shields, no damage reduction.

[jovial nest]

we don't talk about RNG

[neat skiff]

All of those are either on a per attack or per enemy basis.

[jovial nest]

and the best tank destroyers have their strongest attacks be multihit

so good luck dodging those all

[ruby forge]

You need an enemy where Hoshi and Cement don't actually survive a hit for the raw stats to actually be worth more than dodge

[lucid mirage]

Hoshi pot 1
HP 3850+200=4050
def (723+60+140)×1.67=~1542
Pat H(3400-1541)×4=7432, dead
Pat NM(2720-1541)×4=4616, dead
SK H(2720-1541)×3=3537, 513 hp left (~13%)

[neat skiff]

At which point you tank with Skadi + Gladiia.

[sly drift]

The reason why HP higher better than def higher at Hoshi vs Nian is because art damage exist. So yea. I think this sht prove Nian is better

[jovial nest]

its because by that point

the DEF difference is below 100

that the HP being higher matters more

[sly drift]

But for real she beat hoshi on offskill blow my mind

[jovial nest]

that talent

of Nian

carries

[neat skiff]

Also keep in mind that only matters during stages like H11-4.

[lucid mirage]

It's a difference of over 300...

[jovial nest]

oh

lemme check again...

i mean....is this wrong?

its not exactly high DEF difference

[lucid mirage]

He forgot the talent.

[neat skiff]

What talent?

[foggy grove]

uh sounds sussy
my last maf has hoshi on 1.6k def with blocking mod

[jovial nest]

this is with module

[lucid mirage]

Hoshi's talent that gives +17% more def to all defenders.

[neat skiff]

That is counted.

[sly drift]

[neat skiff]

17 + 20 + 30

[foggy grove]

mofu number is closer ye
i'm using max pot calc

[neat skiff]

These are all pot 1.

[foggy grove]

it's still sussy low
1.5k is more beliavable

[lucid mirage]

Base def 723
Trust +60
Module +140
S2+30%
Mod 1+20%
Talent +17%
(723+60+140)=923
923×(1+0.2+0.17+0.3)=1541.41.

I'm guessing you left out module def then.

[jovial nest]

wow that is huge amt of def difference

[neat skiff]

Seems I did.

Cement with module.
3624 hp 788 def
Nian 20% def while blocking
5190 hp 1235 def once all 3 shields are popped.
Nian 4 block
5625 hp 756 def (6183 with 3 other defenders deployed)
Hoshi 20% while blocking
4050 hp 1541 def
Hoshi 4 block
3850 hp 1201 def

[jovial nest]

with that gap in DEF

how will it fare vs the HP diff?

cause now for me I prefer the higher def

[clever finch]

completed tn-3's hardmode with the stalling strat, thanks for the help again!

[jovial nest]

the % HP left is not highly different but Nian's insane HP makes it 150+ HP higher,

does this mean Nian is still preferable?

[ruby forge]

No

[jovial nest]

increase the damage by a bit

until one of them dies

[lucid mirage]

I mean, if we're talking NM steamknight, then Hoshi is the better tank.

[jovial nest]

can this be done?

cause thats where we will get a clear winner if damage gets high enough thats tolerable

[ruby forge]

If both of them die/live to the same stuff on paper then dodge will make Hoshi a clear winner in practice

[jovial nest]

oh yeah....

Hoshi still has a minor talent passive of nullifying damage completely

and its decently high enough to actually proc

25% chance to resist damage

sheeeesh

that ain't bad

[neat skiff]

After getting through their def they can absorb this much more until death.
Hoshi 2509
Nian 3955

[jovial nest]

so it all comes down to how much the 25% will proc

for Hoshi to win

that amt is if everything misses

right?

well

wouldn't matter if the hit is 1 hit

[neat skiff]

Keeping in mind that totaled up it's a single hit of over 5500 damage.

[jovial nest]

that did all that damage

[lucid mirage]

If Hoshi is outright dependent on that dodge procing to live, like against Patriot, she's going to die the instant your luck runs out. Which will happen unless you decide to do RNG manipulation which is its own brand of cursed af.

[jovial nest]

yeah...

Hoshi will die first if it doesn't proc

but Nian won't live long enough even with the best medics.

well at least she takes another blow

which is huge for stalling

[lucid mirage]

I mean, Bison, Shining, and Skalter exist.

And hexer modules are coming soon which is a permanent 10% atk debuff against a single target.

As far as flat def buffs go(Bison and Shining) it makes a bigger difference on Hoshi.

[jovial nest]

yeah

[obtuse sphinx]

Can I use Myrtle instead of Sail in cc12 max risk strats? Or her skill doesn't make enough?

[jovial nest]

cause a higher DEF base means buffing it is massively higher

[timid acorn]

If we're talking about tanking ludicrous amounts of physical damage stainless is also worth mentioning

[jovial nest]

we're talking....AFK

[lucid mirage]

I was referring to their talents.

[jovial nest]

oh

[lucid mirage]

stainless s3 is -25% dmg to op behind turret.

And it stacks from what I can tell.

I used Stainless to let hoshi tank CM patriot.

And my Hoshi is only e2 60.

[jovial nest]

is this only additive? Doesn't get affected by module buffs?

[timid acorn]

iirc it's 20% and only physical

[lucid mirage]

[timid acorn]

but yes, 2 turrets stack

[jovial nest]

Noted.

that's actually huge

[lucid mirage]

Shining gives +140 with mod 3, and her and Bison kick in before def buffs.

[foggy grove]

ye stainless is 20%,stacked twice for 36%

[obtuse sphinx]

It's additive, but it's added before % buffs so this boost is affected by her S3 for example.

[jovial nest]

how does it interact with Hoshi/Nian's DEF mods?

it doesn't?

[lucid mirage]

It's counted as part of base defense.

[jovial nest]

so if we're considering AFK Shining Mod3

whats now the math on Nian and Hoshi?

[lucid mirage]

Still dies to patriot LOL

[jovial nest]

humor me with maffs still

[obtuse sphinx]

% buffs like Hoshi's module affect this flat buff.

[ruby forge]

Take both to talent buff each other

[jovial nest]

if a map requires a Hoshi and Nian sandwich....it's.....a rough map

[obtuse sphinx]

Although I have no idea why you would run Hoshi's mod X

[jovial nest]

[lucid mirage]

Patriot is a fucking beast in h7-4. Gravel s1m3 with shining s3m3 can tank 2 hits though.

[fringe jackal]

Are there going to be any other hard stages I should think about after TFN (other than the So Long Adele stages)?

TFN-3 hard mode was scary, I've never seen such a hard stage before

[lucid mirage]

Afk tanking 7-18 cm.

[obtuse sphinx]

Mod Y probably still better, she will likely dodge at least one of four hits.

[jovial nest]

you mean TFN2 TN-3?

[lucid mirage]

And then she fails and she dies. I've tried both with mod 3.

[jovial nest]

but Mod Y makes her DEF so much poorer

[lucid mirage]

My Hoshi is mod6 because of that stage.