strategy

[pallid veldt]

i feel like theyve really stepped it up the past year though

[turbid badge]

easy tbh

[fluid sail]

yeah they somewhat did that with is3 dif but that’s only one small part of the game

[turbid badge]

wouldnt say anything crazy

Oh shit

ur the dude w/o shamare right

[cyan gorge]

H11-1 is difficult, but the rest is a healing/stall check

[turbid badge]

Lol

its okay u can probably just borrow max nian

[pallid veldt]

yeah

IS3 is pretty cool

kind of the only thing i do now in arknights tbh

[lapis hornet]

making is permanent has also warped perceptions so much

[turbid badge]

shamare makes knight paper

[pallid veldt]

ive become pretty good at mlynar (read: deepcolor) start

[turbid badge]

for a bit

[turbid badge]

kek

[pallid veldt]

d15 done

now i want to try isharmla

shouldnt be much harder

cause if i can beat highmore then mlynar will make isharmla pretty easy

[lapis hornet]

cause if you think about it is is like what 1-2 events worth of maps at most

[pallid veldt]

yeah pretty much

[lapis hornet]

honestly closer to 1

but like ppl judge everything based on that one content lol

[pallid veldt]

its like roughly 50 maps

so more like 2

IS3 i mean

[lapis hornet]

hrm some events have a lot of maps lemme think

yeah ig 2

[pallid veldt]

chalter event ig

[lapis hornet]

but honestly feels like less than 50

[pallid veldt]

yeah

like 10 of those are encounters you arent taking if you actually want to win anyways

[lapis hornet]

hmm guess cause you only care about handful of hard stages either way

yeah

isn't mlynar the best!!!! e1 dps?

think I saw that in help back then

[pallid veldt]

real

[deft badger]

arknights is nice, no complains here... looking at other gacha s- where i would say Genshin late game strong acc can cost u 50k usd in total, Diablo we are talking about 500k or even Million... arknights has good rates, low budget, for like something in between of 8-10k u can build some really op s- or just go with the f2p flow so i don't mind if they slack of on content sometimes...

[pallid veldt]

thats like

kind of part of the problem though tbh

im a relatively young f2p player

[still ingot]

Is there a strat for 30 wisp medal?

[pallid veldt]

ive been playing for like idk 2 years now

with a half a year break recently

[turbid badge]

Yea

[pallid veldt]

and the game is already like beyond piss easy

[turbid badge]

search kukkikazes video theres a trick

[pallid veldt]

so its nice in terms of how f2p-friendly and time-friendly it is but

[lapis hornet]

tbh too hard and ppl complain about p2w

[pallid veldt]

for people who want to play more on top of that there arent many options

yeah

also that

[lapis hornet]

only solution is to make pvp mode

[neon charm]

If tou have a lot of good dps just let the boss absorb them

[deft badger]

noo

😄

[lapis hornet]

lets fite and find out how good schwarz actually is ayyy

[neon charm]

Get out of here

[pallid veldt]

vifer pvp is honestly fun as fuck to watch

[neon charm]

[pallid veldt]

i would totally play if i had more ops

[deft badger]

actually pvp, i mean they could make something were ads try to leak ur point the dude that is better at defending wins

with random ops

upscaling ads

[turbid badge]

the game mode in pvz where they give u random shit to defend with

[lapis hornet]

oturan scared a f2ptw scrub like me gonna smurf all over him smh

[pallid veldt]

cake do you think there are any real differences between a launch f2ps account and a launch spenders account

provided the spender isnt like kestrel

i dont think it makes very much of a difference tbh

[lapis hornet]

hmm

[turbid badge]

lmao kestrel

[lapis hornet]

the spender likely has more wack stuff built

[neon charm]

Pvp in my gacha game?

[pallid veldt]

kestrel my goat

[neon charm]

[turbid badge]

only thing im hyped for is reclamation algamation since its the only “new thing” coming so far that looks intresting to play cuz new mechanics and map for now even than it only lasts for like a month and than goes

[lapis hornet]

just constant monthly is a p significant sanity advantage, but for like metaslaving not really

[pallid veldt]

whats reclamation algamation

[turbid badge]

the mc event

[pallid veldt]

ah

[turbid badge]

pallas skin

[pallid veldt]

i heard dorothy is good there

or something

will i have to borrow some scrubs dorothy

[turbid badge]

kek

[neon charm]

She is good to discover area irc

[turbid badge]

yea

[pallid veldt]

i will use my e0 lvl 1 robin

shrimple

[lapis hornet]

is reclamation the minecraft thing

[pallid veldt]

yeah

think so

[lapis hornet]

return seemed kinda negative

[pallid veldt]

i have no clue how it works but its new so

[turbid badge]

same

its new

[pallid veldt]

surely its fun

[turbid badge]

just saw some videos and it looks intriguing

i also like TFN

[deft badger]

start using lower tier ops, don't know what to say...
i like that they try to keep it beginner friendly when it comes to events, looking at some guides there is a lot u can do with some 3-4 stars

[lapis hornet]

but like yeah the spender can talk about meteorite vs sesa vs jieyun in good faith, f2ps probs just parroting what they hear

[deft badger]

and btw u have a brain, jump in to twitch watch people who have better ops then u struggle then u will understand that u are just good at it 😄

[pallid veldt]

idk

just seems kinda funny to me

like ive grinded for so long to raise so many good ops

and then to stay interested in the game i have to go back to the bad ops

and play all over again

[still ingot]

this is crazy

[pallid veldt]

true

[turbid badge]

did u see it?

[still ingot]

yeah

[turbid badge]

If u save the last two enemies

Yea

[long epoch]

Many better ops people struggle because they think they can brute force through the mechanics.

[pallid veldt]

i mean like

a lot of the time you can

[lapis hornet]

a wild alsa appears

[pallid veldt]

alaszgo

[long epoch]

[deft badger]

they don't use their brains... i watched a guy do last event 1 stage for 3 hours

a guy who did have every limited op there is and other beside that.. e2

[long epoch]

The problem is when you play with too much better ops, especially the ops that's good at many things, the understanding of fundamentals get worse.

[still ingot]

the wisp trick is not a fundamental mechanic tbh

[tidal sedge]

IW-EX-7 team...
It is not going well...

[still ingot]

looks more like an oversight from the devs

[long epoch]

Well, I mean in general.

[tidal sedge]

Might be im bad at placements

Which...i am lol

[cyan gorge]

Unless you're a nicheknights player
ignore mechanics in more creative ways

[long epoch]

The Mechanics part is the different beast as it can ranged to "abusable" to something incredibly "annoying".

[long epoch]

Actually, being nicheknights you have to respect the mechanics more because the team has more limitations.

[cyan gorge]

True

[long epoch]

But that makes it more fun.

[cyan gorge]

but tbf, birds is almost entirely comprised of cc

there's a lot of cheese potential

[deft badger]

upper corner camp, texas all the big birds

[cyan gorge]

Also Ex7 has an Ifrit lane

[deft badger]

probably where that healer stand? 😄

[long epoch]

Well, there's certainly the certain quirk of niche ops that can get around the mechanics in an interesting ways for sure because meta is more about range and power than something interesting.

[cyan gorge]

Exactly

[still ingot]

I used ifrit to kill steam birds

[cursive mango]

I used IS3 rewards to E2 Schwarz poggi

[deft badger]

i did just screen that from youtube since that stage is easy if u know where to camp

[still ingot]

looking back that top left corner looks much better for her lol

[tidal sedge]

Would be helpful if i had her, closest i have is Corroserum

[cyan gorge]

You can borrow

[tidal sedge]

Fair

[deft badger]

just borrow, u are fine anyway

[tidal sedge]

So just crowd the top right?

[cyan gorge]

not necessary but with her you basically can forget about top lane unless cm

[deft badger]

yes same in cm u can even go for those with texas

did just camp corner and drop texas on everything i didn't like

[tidal sedge]

Yeah, i would not have thought of that.
Or i would only after bashing my head on it.

[tidal sedge]

So just do the same thing for CM?

[deft badger]

yes

[tidal sedge]

👍

That was simple...
Now round 2 with the dragon bitch....

Would it have mattered if i had used Corro instead of Ifrit?

For EX7?

[still ingot]

imo this is my toughest medal so far

[lapis hornet]

harder than secret sss?

[still ingot]

idk what secret sss is

[tidal sedge]

Im not looking forward to fighting this mfer again

[deft badger]

no way thats uncommon, out of 10 runs i got 9 time poly 😂

[cyan gorge]

Yes cause Ifrit burn is dot, meaning she obliterates the pottery whereas Corro won't

[tidal sedge]

I see

1st attempt at IW-Ex-8
Fail bc one of the litte weight thingies got passed

Im trying to do almost exactly what i did fir IW-9

[still ingot]

didnt trim

[tidal sedge]

So Ethan/BP for wisps
Texalter/surtr/eyja for dragon
DPS adds

[deft badger]

u cant do the same what u did

first of all ethan placement, 2nd u have upper tiles u can use now since lower tiles infront of them are not blocked

use kal s3, surtr, eyja s2, texas s2

[turbid badge]

exu s2?

oh

lol

[deft badger]

good that u did mention it 😄

btw where is myrtle in ur team i never saw her 😄

[tidal sedge]

I dont use flagbearers often...
I should tbh...

Set this up for the next attempt

[cyan gorge]

Flags overrated

[deft badger]

put the healers on the upper tiles

[tidal sedge]

They won't get bolted?

[deft badger]

he spits only on the ground

same with eyja put her somewhere there

i can show u how i did it, it maybe helps u or maybe not xD

it depends if u can take the spit

and survive

[tidal sedge]

Might help me with placements at least

[still ingot]

thanks, no way in hell would I make it without that video

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G35oh8je_I

[still ingot]

why does myrtle have an ahegao face

[turbid badge]

lol

[still ingot]

am I crazy?

[tidal sedge]

I got to Phase 3 but ran out of time...
Didnt know wisps would come from the left

[deft badger]

ur sniper should be at the wall actually not where my exu was -.-

one block behind that

if u wanna clear all wisps

[tidal sedge]

I see

Im trying to think of a replace for Skalter

[deft badger]

ignor skalter

[tidal sedge]

👍

[deft badger]

healer

• u have one more dmg dealer then i do

[tidal sedge]

Gotcha

[deft badger]

u have monster

[tidal sedge]

Ah

Liskarm?

[deft badger]

she just there so that lumen doesnt die

[tidal sedge]

Ahhh

[deft badger]

u can place kal behind that tank

[tidal sedge]

Cool

[deft badger]

but place kal in p2-3

[tidal sedge]

So any defender will do

[deft badger]

p1 just surtr eyja texas will do

[tidal sedge]

How well will i get by with gavi instead of lumen? My Lumen isnt e2

Yet

[gentle finch]

silly

[deft badger]

like this btw kal, monster

[deft badger]

i think fine

[slate marten]

Who do I buy

[sullen rover]

honeyberry and maybe quartz for base she needs e1 though

[deft badger]

u wanna keep that healed, so anything i think will do that is E2 cm he hits harder... normal that's like nothing atm

i would put a aoe healer where skalter is facing down

since thats where the most dmg will be to heal, after u place kal

[tidal sedge]

Did it, got a bit hectic at phase 3
Now the challenge mode

[deft badger]

same thing

but try to rush now adds

means texas where u have that guard

i don't know if he will delete ur full team 😄

[tidal sedge]

Oh i used hibalt instead of Warf

Btw

[deft badger]

then use the corner where i did place my texas at the end for surtr but be cerfule u have to place a range on the upper tiles somewhere so that he can target that first

[tidal sedge]

Gotcha

[deft badger]

u dont even have to boost surtr, i did actually let all that wisps leak on normal and cm

thats why i did it with skalter and warf

now i need help, someone? 😄

[tidal sedge]

Need to let my decices charge then ill try again

Thanks for the advice👍

[autumn grotto]

ez

4 defender 4 healers stall

mlynar kalsit for mobs

its a kyo strat but yea

for that stage my team i did hoshi, cardi, curoa, liskarm (my lack of defenders), warafrin, lumen, ptop, ng, mlynar surtr gravel kal

the idea is juz mlynar and kalsit clear mobs

[deft badger]

i killed normal easy

[autumn grotto]

defenders tank normal attacks, while healers heal from basically nothing to max hp btw atks

[deft badger]

but that other thing is so annoying

[autumn grotto]

once he does charged attack retreat defender and replace

if defenders are not ready do a gravel mon3tr to hv him use charged atk

its just the kyo guide honestly

[autumn grotto]

wdym other thing

which enemy

honestly tho judging by what u hv msged earlier u prob can do the 4 op strat or smthing idk the state of ur acc

or maybe it was 6 ops i forgot

i only remember ng nearl alter surtr was in the team i forgot who else

prob 6 ops

but yea

and er i forgot to mention he run around the stall takes place after he walks up the bottom stairs for the second time before he starts going to ur blue box

[verbal dock]

Help

I’ve tried using ifrit

And I still can’t beat this level

It’s all at the end

[rose patrol]

https://youtu.be/f4b_5p64_mA

HG really likes bringing this boss back again

Chunfen last stage

[dry skiff]

#help message

[deft badger]

nvm done it already, was talking about adverse

[autumn grotto]

the strat i gave is for adverse

[deft badger]

didn't get to read it but ty anyway

[autumn grotto]

idk if it works for u idk ur ops but i had a dps at top tile for the teacups then laneheld everyone on leftmost tile aft the choke

[autumn grotto]

issok its still there

[deft badger]

the boss wasn't the problem the little rocket launchers which spawn with him

[autumn grotto]

ah

[deft badger]

have been my main problem

[autumn grotto]

ng and mont3r can bait them

cos ng summon has 3k ish health at 60 i think

and mont3r has 5k

[deft badger]

the others i killed dem before they got to fire

[autumn grotto]

o

those 3 that spawn tgt isit

mlynar in the center

[deft badger]

but that little one did bug me for a wile but i went for killing them on spawn

then just dealt with the boss

[autumn grotto]

hv to time burst healing

cos mlynar kills all 3 tgt

[deft badger]

well my problem was that i did have just one healer then

xD

[autumn grotto]

u place mlynar i think smack in the middle

[deft badger]

but nvm i did it

[autumn grotto]

o

ok nice

now do hell stages

[deft badger]

done

[autumn grotto]

woah damn

nice nice

good shit

time to sit and wait for chp 12

[deft badger]

still have some adverse in cp 10 left

at 10-12 atm

[autumn grotto]

ah

issok u got this

[turbid badge]

Use ng cafe

or kill them with ranged

at the start

[tidal sedge]

And i am done with EX stages.
Ty all for the help

[gentle finch]

np

[deft badger]

medals

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[deft badger]

just don't kill wisps in p1-2

[high crest]

Shit I'm not done with ex stages

[ancient swift]

Ezpz

[high crest]

Just need to defeat ex7 and I'll be on ex8

[deft badger]

its not trimmed...

[tidal sedge]

at his moment he know he screwed up

[high crest]

Nah... I can do it

[tidal sedge]

well good luck with that

this trimmed medal is easier than malding trioe raid in BA jp

[high crest]

I don't want medals I just want to complete stage and be done with it hehe

I'm just casual who want challenge every now and then

[tidal sedge]

well thos trim cost me 20 times trying ya

[high crest]

I'll try to get medals in next events later...

[glass monolith]

Don't it depends on how well your roster is prepared for this exact goal?

[tidal sedge]

well true

[glass monolith]

My very first trim was MN rerun

kill 8 drones at start before they leave

[scarlet ledge]

so pro

[glass monolith]

which i failed at

[scarlet ledge]

minus i farmed 100 rma

[tidal sedge]

first trimmed medal of mine umm Under the Tide rerun seemly

[scarlet ledge]

mine is on ToW

[glass monolith]

4 days of farming - 60 RMA
3 days of farming - 10 devices

fuck this game

[scarlet ledge]

ill farm device last day

i have 210 rn

i have 198 prev

only farmed 12 since i focus on rma

[tidal sedge]

u didnt even try BA mat farm yet ya

[glass monolith]

I didn't even try BA

[tidal sedge]

it is one of the worst thing I would do

[glass monolith]

I have enough of games and random CN fan service

[scarlet ledge]

BA?

[tidal sedge]

so lemme ask u would u prefer farm 1 thing in a month or farm 10 t4 rock in few days

[glass monolith]

My end game is e2 everything, literally

[scarlet ledge]

thats gonna take a long time

when new ops keep coming

[glass monolith]

And because best plan is none at all i farm everything equally

[scarlet ledge]

[tidal sedge]

[tidal sedge]

well there is no abslute equal my guy

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith oh ye i reach 5m lmd again

[glass monolith]

Relative equal, if i have 100 of something i happy

[deft badger]

should i M3 lumens S3?

[tidal sedge]

yes

[glass monolith]

5.6m here But thankfully we have dead week AFTER ♾️ WEEKS OF FARM HELL. And i have Bagpipe, Lin, Eyja, Rope, Specter "normal" to e2

[high crest]

Well I have 40 device

[glass monolith]

Question, if i plan to stall CC12 boss with Specter S2, how f- am i?

[tidal sedge]

s3

[glass monolith]

Specter normal

Not one who troll irene

[deft badger]

give me some 🥲

[glass monolith]

For all your chips and materials

[tidal sedge]

go to your basement

[deft badger]

no... 😄

i don't know how u people have so much lmd...

[tidal sedge]

duh our base have like umm more than 40K LMD

[deft badger]

i have materials but always out of lmd

[glass monolith]

Because i literally have no time to farm material i am missing for E2/module because i farm event stages for "efficiency"

[deft badger]

but i don't farm as well

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith

[deft badger]

only thing i am missing ...

[glass monolith]

500k lmd from event, 500k lmd from event, 100k lmd from rerun, all while my Tequila / Proviso combos somehow makes 60k lmd daily when i burn all drones on gold bars because PROVISO FFS HOW YOU BURN THEM THIS FAST?

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith how many e2s u have?

i have 105 i think

[glass monolith]

at least 58 i think

[scarlet ledge]

my alt is on 102 e2s

[glass monolith]

I play only for 1.5 year

[weak gazelle]

leite
you sure a very dedicated ak player

[scarlet ledge]

arkhy

i have 2 en
1 jp (retired) all 120
cn

cn is only 114

[high crest]

Is iw ex7 harder than ex6?

[glass monolith]

61 e2, 61 e1, 95 e0

[scarlet ledge]

[weak gazelle]

waw 3 active acc

[scarlet ledge]

jp stopped at vernal winds

[glass monolith]

Stages difficulty depends, but "hardest" one can be literally any

[deft badger]

someone could explain me how to menage base properly then

hahahahaha

[high crest]

I played 35+ times to finish ex6

[deft badger]

dude plays 5 months, then comes the question help me menage base! 😄

[high crest]

The fucking tokens is crazy

[scarlet ledge]

@weak gazelle main acc is meta shit and random build
alt en is niche and random bullshit built
jp is 4★ only but have 5★ raised
cn is jusf whatever

[glass monolith]

76 to finish jt8-3 and i didn't count NL-EX-8/S-4

[scarlet ledge]

so ye

[weak gazelle]

well tbh i am not a base nerd so cant help about it

[scarlet ledge]

find shu

[glass monolith]

Shu is one who did 352?

[high crest]

The enemy is not the problem,problem is tokens and I just learned recently that you can push the tokens

[lapis hornet]

shu's the dude who plays ak as base simulator

[deft badger]

lets do the walk of shame...

[lapis hornet]

base is apparently a game mode like cc

[scarlet ledge]

@lapis hornet do my base

tytytyty

[weak gazelle]

mine still at 45-50k lmd per day
while nowadays peep produce ~60k

[scarlet ledge]

so pro

i produce at 45-50k
but if i change my stuff its can go to 55-60k

im just lazy

im more focus producing exp

since they fucking run out fast

[weak gazelle]

with all of that
which one more fun?

[scarlet ledge]

ngl all

i have too play all diff playstyle

[weak gazelle]

a hardcore one, i see...
must admit to respect that much

[scarlet ledge]

plus i play bearknights so ye

🐻‍❄️

[deft badger]

i literally did have to google, schwertleite...

since i don't know what that word means

[scarlet ledge]

[weak gazelle]

tbh just ask shu or peter for this thing

[deft badger]

2023

[scarlet ledge]

ngl 30k income is decent

but ye could be better

@deft badger what setup did you use btw?

243?

252

[deft badger]

yeah but i don't know how to menage my base properly

[scarlet ledge]

@deft badger how do you cycle?

what ops goes there and etc

[deft badger]

how do i cycle, i just put in whats free atm xD

lol

[scarlet ledge]

[deft badger]

ofc care about the skills like i read and put in but i don't have a bigger plan then that, exchange when they are out of stamina that's it

[glass monolith]

I put my best operator combo in, then do whatever half day, then poot less op operator combo while best combo chill in dorms

[scarlet ledge]

@deft badger https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjUwJhIjFmfrZQcrbOVVDOMgR55FPOxJd

[deft badger]

0 clue what pairs good what doesn't, what's prio what isn't, i guess people know
i never found a guide when it comes to that
only which base slaves i should use

[glass monolith]

And then i by accident put Vigil into dorm and now my Kazemaru doesn't speed print clues

[scarlet ledge]

ngl my cycle on tp is gummy combo, shamare combo

then on 2nd is proviso e1 combo since im lazy to e2 her rn and gnosis combo

but ye

[scarlet ledge]

i dont care about clues

i just put one ops there

[glass monolith]

Me too honestly, but just as content because what else to do? I even unlocked all checkmarks for picknig each SSS device and their floor 4 branch

[weak gazelle]

anyway cc#12 still long way until arrive at en right?
dunno if wanna tryhard to celebrate cc ending or just forget it and settle with max rewards

[glass monolith]

Huh... wait they still didn't announce cc12

when (event wise) was in on CN?

ALSO WHERE IS MY TREE PUNCHING

Fuck CC12, fuck Ines, i want to punch trees

[scarlet ledge]

cc12 tomorrow
no death in chufen

trust me

[glass monolith]

Being in unknown area of town where you never been - No fog of war
Being in desert with trees you see from miles away - Fog of war

[weak gazelle]

i didnt follow cc schedule so yeah...
and cause skip cc#11 completely
so i forgot the exact date or the ETA of cc#12

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith imma say now

fire within in sand is not fun

[glass monolith]

fuck

But it is content

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith just imagine

gather mats
fight enemy
build base

then repeat that

[glass monolith]

I live in Russia where installed HoMM3 is requirement to be able to launch your PC

And show me someone complaining HoMM3 is repetitive

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith oh ye chufen have eb boss

cm have more farts

[glass monolith]

Well it doesn't sound too bad. [Sarcasm] Not like chufen map is claustrafobix 4x6 box

[scarlet ledge]

:clueless:

[glass monolith]

I know because i seen it on CN

[scarlet ledge]

wtf spy

@glass monolith ngl idk who to e2 on main acc

irene or krooster

[glass monolith]

Whoever you like

Krooster is poor's man exu

[scarlet ledge]

irene can be better for base
krooster for is3 expansion

[glass monolith]

for is3 expansion i choose Weedy

I am not fighting this shit legally

[scarlet ledge]

early floor1 have chp9 hoverboard enemy

on expansion

[glass monolith]

88 patriots phase 1 + nuclear bomb boss + PHASE 1 ENEMIES ARE NOT KILL COUNT ENEMIES

[high crest]

Fuck me I though ex7 is harder than ex6

[glass monolith]

Like i said earlier, it is all depends

Like i had issue with NL-EX-4 but no issue with 5/6/7

[high crest]

I complete it in one try fuck this shit

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile some people telling than NL-S-4 is easy and suffering on S-5, while i suffered on S-4 and red box camped S-5

[high crest]

Well time to get obliterated by sui Xiang in ex8

[glass monolith]

My hyper buffed kroos alter didn't work in EX-8 because bonus stats

[high crest]

Lmao 😂

Well try hyper buffed pozy

[glass monolith]

Honestly hyper buffed kroos will work to but i wanted to flex Heavyrain camo abuse

And while in normal boss it is enough to even kill phase 3 before he fire LAZOR, in EX i need to return to nightingale and naaaaaah

Just Chaltered him again and called it a day

[high crest]

You get back to your roots in the end of the day

[glass monolith]

If it worked in 2022, why wouldn't it in 2023

[high crest]

Yeah...

[scarlet ledge]

@glass monolith https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966247590989529128/1142755138847645706/Screenshot_2023-08-20_164033.png

[glass monolith]

Where is Cant

[high crest]

What is this?

[glass monolith]

DP per second for vanguards

[heady hedge]

so

you are telling me

INES has more dp per second then sail ely myrtle

and does more work then everyone on that list

[glass monolith]

Agent on deploy printing skills are OP AF

[heady hedge]

myrtle fell off fr

[glass monolith]

I did all 3 DP down 3 on CC11 using Cantabile and no Bagpipe

[tropic valve]

myrtle in shambles, the economy has recovered

[foggy grove]

if they added canta,she'll be above innes

[sly drift]

Good point but its only works if Ines has something to hit

[glass monolith]

Stainless S3 + Puzzle S1 for 1 DP per second

[sly drift]

Imagine wasting 3 deploy slot to generate dp

[glass monolith]

I will do it on CC13 PO0 on "no vanguards" daily

Also it is 2 deploy slots

[latent monolith]

Stainless turrets don't take up deploy slots

[scarlet ledge]

so pro sharath

[sly drift]

[high crest]

Is this enough for ex-8?

[celest solstice]

how the fuck do I avoid my units getting freeze?

ground units are fine, Ill just have Mountain+Blaze and Mon3tr + SA

[heady hedge]

use lumen

[celest solstice]

I do not have lumen

[tidal sedge]

You gotta use Artillery snipers

Those with long range and AOE damage

[sly drift]

Place your highground near back and bait the freeze drone with gravel

[light flame]

you can also use durin as sacrifice, iirc sometimes there's 2 freeze drones at once?

[celest solstice]

Im using Lin as sacrifice

[glass monolith]

Just don't place your DPS in literally only tile with altar overlap

[light flame]

yeah you shouldn't be freezing then, only cold no?

[dry skiff]

you shouldn't be freeze by the machines alone, need another source of cold for it to freeze

just place ur units back more so u have time to kill the spiders so u don't freeze

[celest solstice]

I did it, I mean my team kept on freezing to the drones and spiders but I did it

[dry skiff]

remember to bait the drones

grats

[celest solstice]

Lin is baiting the drones, the drones are just tanky af

like one of them was like on the base and kroos clutched

[somber falcon]

that's overkill
the first two alone can hold both lane

[celest solstice]

nothing is overkill

[somber falcon]

for baiting drones just bring frds

[celest solstice]

if the one that gets killed is dead

[glass monolith]

Bombing drones shouldn't be too tanky to die, literally leveling snipers issue. Only THICC drones are attack slow aura ones, at least at that point in game

in worst case scenario slap Orchid or someone like her to slow them as they try to ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM by

[celest solstice]

Ill deal with it when I auto that stage again, ty for the suggestion

whats the strat for this

I can kill phase 1

phase 2 is crazy

[glass monolith]

You can stall her for very long time (look on CN making "all tiles banned" clears) with gravel, her defense is low so you can just sniper her to death

[celest solstice]

I dont have gravel btw

a useable gravel

[glass monolith]

she need to just be e1 1 to be used

skill 2, i think i still didn't level 7 it still

that shield on deploy is fun shit

[celest solstice]

shes e0 l0

didnt bother leveling her

[fringe jackal]

Gravel is basically a must raise unit

Useful as base slave, must raise for bait

[celest solstice]

didnt use gravel, killed her, just needed to have some schwarz powah and firewatch

[latent anvil]

[tidal sedge]

Which module Specter alter used to buff Gladiia and Skadi?

[deft badger]

i am confused

isn't the first module the one that makes her S-tier

[surreal star]

that's her second mod

[opal kiln]

well she never becomes S tier but yea first mod is the good one

[gentle finch]

what is S tier

[glass monolith]

S - Spectre

[gentle finch]

true...

[full finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669489344658014208/836598986592354414/1619531104250.gif

[deft badger]

they even go higher, S+ just because the mod 😄

[full finch]

GP tierlist

[deft badger]

well S ok but not S+

S A highly effective Operator in their role, one of the best available.

[full finch]

how many people do you think actually read the intro to GP tierlist

[deft badger]

in their roll...

that explains how they rank

[full finch]

role =/= archetype

[deft badger]

would u rank thorns S?

[full finch]

GP tierlist is supposed to be a grand unified scale

yes

[deft badger]

is thorns better then specter?

[full finch]

no

[deft badger]

then she deserves her S+

[turbid badge]

??

[deft badger]

😄

there u go

[full finch]

what

[gentle finch]

spalter sucks

I would never raise her

[full finch]

she's kinda a weird unit overall

[deft badger]

they ranked thorns S, same way u did, u agree she is better so u agree even on her S+

[full finch]

but she gets stuff done when used right

[gentle finch]

I guess

[full finch]

S+ is too high imo

[deft badger]

i know she is weird, still yeah i would give thorns S+ her S

but yeah people see things different 😄

[full finch]

thorns isn't S+ either

[gentle finch]

don't look at salt mines

[full finch]

there's a lot of context being missed in these comparisons

[gentle finch]

if we talking about without abyssal

[full finch]

which is why tierlists struggle to be relevant

[gentle finch]

then uh

well tbf I haven't use thorns in a while

out of touch with how he feels

[full finch]

like if you were to compare solely based on cost-efficiency
then thorns > spalter because spalter needs mod3

[gentle finch]

yup

[full finch]

but if you were to compare utility and special viability
easily spalter > thorns

[gentle finch]

he just needs E2 and M3

[deft badger]

well he for sure doesn't feel the same like he did when i first got him

but that was when i was at story 5

[gentle finch]

spalter immortality and slow is just so nice to have

[deft badger]

he still can hold a lane without problems

[full finch]

thorns still does what he does, and he does it well

[deft badger]

didn't strugle at 11 at all

[full finch]

but enemies are a bit different

more HP and DEF on elites make him less viable for solo lanes

[gentle finch]

mhm

[deft badger]

i still would recomend him just because he can cover ground and air

and does actually decent dmg

[full finch]

universal viability is hard to match

[gentle finch]

I would never tell someone to not build thorns

he's great

it's just once your acc reaches certain level, he's not needed as much

[deft badger]

dude i did build blaze last week since i need a 2nd holder

[gentle finch]

and feels lackluster

[opal kiln]

😄

[deft badger]

when i look at stats she shouldn't have problems

but in practice she has

[full finch]

thorns is only lackluster after using overpowered shit like mlynar pozy sexas

[deft badger]

when S2 active

[gentle finch]

and abusing abyssals

why use thorns when I can deploy spalter for 14 DP and lanehold better

assuming no air

[full finch]

abyssal hunters is basically the final nail in the coffin of statsticks

[gentle finch]

fr

[full finch]

like

why build eun

[gentle finch]

like the only normal laneholder I use now is gavialter

[full finch]

when skadi S3 does basically the same thing

[deft badger]

so i should have taken her over blaze...

[full finch]

no lol

[gentle finch]

no

she needs a lot of invest

• blaze is afk

[full finch]

abyssal hunters is endgame brainrot

mfw needs like 4 modules

[deft badger]

i did e2 and m3 blaze in 3 days

and she feels s-

[gentle finch]

i don't have blaze

so idk

wouldn't build her if I did

[full finch]

blaze fell off for several reasons

but mainly it's the fact that sustain became highly valued

[gentle finch]

mhm

[full finch]

however

[deft badger]

i went for her just because of 3 block, s2 activation gets close to a defenders def, has some decent dmg

[gentle finch]

nowadays I run like one medic max

[full finch]

at this point, sustain is finally losing value in the meta

so blaze might see some revival, especially with module

[gentle finch]

her mod was kinda

eh

[full finch]

it's rather decent, actually

but it's not a massive improvement

it just gives her the extra damage to take down elites

[gentle finch]

but her range extension coupled with how centurions work is very nice to use

[full finch]

yes

unfortunately

gavial exists

[gentle finch]

truly

[full finch]

and deals almost as much damage but with no skills active

[gentle finch]

[full finch]

ngl with blaze mod3 giving aspd

might be time to cope blaze S1 again

290% ATK scale kinda slaps

[gentle finch]

one reason to use blaze is her skin

idek what blaze S1 does

is it powerstrike

[full finch]

powerstrike gamma

[gentle finch]

lmao

[full finch]

arguably the best powerstike skill in the game

[gentle finch]

I feel offended

[full finch]

the other option is bibeak S1

which is 180% x2 + 180%

[gentle finch]

bibeak S1 is actually goated

[full finch]

pallas/hella S1 is the weak powerstrike, at only 175% x2

[gentle finch]

😠

[full finch]

blaze/silverash S1 is 290% which is nuts

[gentle finch]

tbf Pallas has 130% atk scale

[turbid badge]

dube strik

duube stricko

[gentle finch]

damn what he say

[turbid badge]

douuble strik!

[full finch]

bibeak mod3 is actually cracked

[gentle finch]

too bad shes E2 lvl1

[full finch]

mine is max mod3 S1M3

and

[gentle finch]

based

[full finch]

it was done completely oblivious

[gentle finch]

to tequila combo

[pallid veldt]

Is weedy s+ on gp tl

[full finch]

just S

[gentle finch]

shrug

[pallid veldt]

Man

“End game” headass

[gentle finch]

weedy should be W tier

W(eedy)

[deft badger]

weedy should have her own tier

[full finch]

I think by "endgame" they mean max mod3

[gentle finch]

Man

[pallid veldt]

Dies of cringe

[gentle finch]

I don't have a lot of specialist chips

but I have to build Dorothy, weedy and yato

[full finch]

wtf ash and thorns were S+

well thorns I understand

[pallid veldt]

Nah thats fine

[gentle finch]

tf is S-

[pallid veldt]

Ash was probably S+ on release

[gentle finch]

make up your mind

[full finch]

but rosa S+ now

[pallid veldt]

Yeah thats just

[surreal star]

[pallid veldt]

False

[full finch]

really didn't feel it tbh

I've been massively unimpressed by rosa module

[turbid badge]

whats even in s+ that tierlist

[surreal star]

all the broken stuff aside from chalter pozy mly surtr texas ling

[full finch]

what in the fuck

[surreal star]

probably stuff like gavial?

[full finch]

[gentle finch]

rosa in same tier as gavialter

E2: YES!

[full finch]

canta = bagpipe = elysium confirmed

[turbid badge]

lol

[full finch]

[gentle finch]

🤯

[turbid badge]

MASTERY

[gentle finch]

what tier is Pallas

S++++?

[turbid badge]

D+

[gentle finch]

false

[full finch]

S-

[gentle finch]

I see

[full finch]

ifrit still S+

[gentle finch]

Ifrit is goated tbf

[full finch]

mountain S+

[turbid badge]

wtf spam!

[full finch]

yeah makes sense

[surreal star]

[gentle finch]

Is dusk just S

[full finch]

dusk S-

[gentle finch]

fair enough ig

[full finch]

silverash > thorns confirmed

[surreal star]

s- is where the "bad" 6*s are hanging out

[full finch]

that's A+

[gentle finch]

Dusk not bad

[surreal star]

bruh

vigil=bean

[full finch]

cc8 brainrot

[pallid veldt]

SA > thorns is funny

[full finch]

understandable

[pallid veldt]

This is so wrong lmfao what

[full finch]

it's more like

[gentle finch]

?

[pallid veldt]

Did ako help make this tierlist

[surreal star]

gp

[gentle finch]

Eben in A+

[full finch]

vigil A
bean/black A-

[tidal sedge]

Beanstalk better than Vigil?

[surreal star]

[pallid veldt]

Yeah

Agree

[surreal star]

this is why i keep saying vigil is underrated

[tidal sedge]

Vigil D rank

[pallid veldt]

Blacknight lower tbh

[surreal star]

and everyone starts hounding on me

[pallid veldt]

She fucking sucks

[full finch]

she doesn't

[pallid veldt]

For anything that isn’t sleep

[full finch]

blacknight does hold her own

but you have to micro which is cringe

[pallid veldt]

Regardless tacticians are just

Weird

[full finch]

beanstalk is also micro

but it's a lot less cringe than blacknight

Lin = Carne
Beeswax = Mint

[pallid veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875781799068983356/1107664906280517743/20230515_004858.gif

[surreal star]

ngl i think i actually prefer mint over beeswax

i like the shift

[full finch]

lin A+
bees/carne A
mint B+

wtf

shift user

[pallid veldt]

carne is a very very strong contender in 2023

(for worst 6* in arknights)

[full finch]

aurora B- is a crime

she actually has pretty good use

[surreal star]

mint a but aurora b-

[full finch]

since aurora is like

unfathomably tanky with S1

or slaps super hard with S2

[pallid veldt]

steward in C is criminal

sadge

[full finch]

I mean

E1 55 steward vs E2 70 M3 haze

or even
E2 80 M3 tomimi

[pallid veldt]

trueing

[full finch]

he's just not got much going there

[pallid veldt]

cirno pissing himself

[full finch]

pozy EX is way too high

S+ yeah

but not EX

[pallid veldt]

yeah

EX is just wild

[full finch]

but I am also anti-pozy

typewriter is just

a shit mechanic

[turbid badge]

tf is ex

[pallid veldt]

like best tier

[full finch]

surtr/mlynar tier

[pallid veldt]

pozy EX is just an IS3-pilled take

like

shes not that good its pretty obvious

[surreal star]

i think the gp newbie tl is kinda weird too

[full finch]

sexas ling chalter also EX

[surreal star]

since they categorize archetypes into optional core situational etc.

[pallid veldt]

ling EX is just

chalter EX is understandable but

[surreal star]

when functionally there's a lot of ops who do the same thing in different archetypes

[pallid veldt]

she did not age well

[opal kiln]

no way gp tl discussion

[full finch]

based new player dur-nar enjoyers

[turbid badge]

eww

[full finch]

dur-nar is like

[turbid badge]

asbestos over czerny

[full finch]

ultra mid

[deft badger]

hmm i don't know but surtr does have 1 EX tier ulty its her S3, pozy kinder ther same like surtr its just a range unit 😂

[full finch]

eh

surtr always deals her best damage

pozy has like 3 conditions to fulfill or it's just okay

[pallid veldt]

the difference is that surtr has a lot more utility

and also as a result of that yeah its a lot easier to get her to actually do the thing

[full finch]

pozy needs typewriter to debuff def, enemy has to be in the right tile, typewriter needs to attack the same enemy, etc.

needs 2 different ranged tiles

just kinda cringe overall

vs surtr/chalter/mlynar
just deploy, wait until enemy in range and press button

[pallid veldt]

mud should be S+ on newbie tl

thoughts

[full finch]

hmm

E1 mud has enough durability

[pallid veldt]

main thing is the dp cost i guess

[full finch]

but DP cost is forbidding, and she can't duel elites well

[pallid veldt]

hmm

[gentle finch]

this is why Schwarzkopf is better!

[pallid veldt]

i think she can probably duel any boss pre-like chapter 6

at e1

or enemy in general

silence B tier

man

[full finch]

less HP and DEF make her a lot squishier

since HP directly influences selfhealing

[deft badger]

never actually liked mud or penance, they are not grate at tanking, neither do they do same stupid amounts of dmg to compensate to not being able to get healed

[full finch]

mud
not great at tanking

holy shit dude

[pallid veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875781799068983356/1107664906280517743/20230515_004858.gif

[full finch]

mudrock is quite literally one of the most tankiest operators in the game

[pallid veldt]

shes also probably the best elite boss staller in the game

due to bosses generally having decently long atk intervals

[full finch]

shields are a hell of a mechanic

imagine generating one every 9s and having it heal 20% max HP

[deft badger]

she is not, for her to be able to tank a ad that does big amounts of dmg it has to be a slow hitting one, same with penance for her to be able to tank it has to be one that doesn't do much dmg but to hit fast enough to get her ulty up

[pallid veldt]

me when the:

[full finch]

penance I might agree on her overall durability being mid among defenders

since defensive recovery is kinda stinky sometimes

but like

mudrock

[pallid veldt]

its just a

bad take

idek

like

[full finch]

might be a mud S2 take

[pallid veldt]

probably

[full finch]

since she can be kinda squishy with S2

even so, she's still ludicrously tanky

[gentle finch]

I love mud S3

[deft badger]

like i did say, she can take it if they don't hit fast and she can get that shield back

[full finch]

bruh

she's have to be

[gentle finch]

the only thing is that she becomes untargetable, so if you have ranged ops by her they may die

[full finch]

blocking like 3 elites

[pallid veldt]

what are you even tanking where mud

dies

to fast hitting mobs

[full finch]

lizardmen are like the only thing that comes to mind

[pallid veldt]

like are you tanking fucking patriot + 2 dogs or something

[turbid badge]

how well does she fair against the chap 11 dogs

in h11-4? left side

[deft badger]

dude when that OP has the name DEFENDER in it i expect that thing to hold its ground even if the world is crushing on it... like hoshi xD

but i get it u cant heal her she has self sustain bla bla

[full finch]

hoshi

[pallid veldt]

me when i

put a defender on top of patriot

and they cant tank him

[full finch]

must be a shit unit

[full finch]

since literally only nian and eunectes can do it

[turbid badge]

real

[pallid veldt]

and surtr

so yknow

surtr is the real tank

[deft badger]

i don't have nian so my dreams are small, i take what i can get.. hoshi it is for me

[pallid veldt]

surtr is a true defender

[full finch]

oh and maybe aurora

[turbid badge]

u can freeze patriot right

[full finch]

yeah

[turbid badge]

[full finch]

but I mean aurora S1

[pallid veldt]

yo like

[full finch]

which is literally

[pallid veldt]

flametail s3 defender???

[full finch]

+210% DEF

[turbid badge]

real

sometimes i hate auroras talent

and sometimes i really like it

She just yawns and does nothing

[full finch]

max aurora S1M3 has 2238 DEF

yeah that'd work

[tidal sedge]

Aurora the ice bear?

[gleaming lodge]

Bro is saying Mudrock can't tank

Try making Hoshi tank a CC#4 colossus

Or a CC#6 duelist croc

[full finch]

duelist croc be like
bro how about you have 70% less def rq

[gleaming lodge]

How blind do you have to be to not think "negate an instance of dmg every 9s" isn't good

[deft badger]

it's funny how like half of u kids here are in to mocking people...
NA mentality, guess its a cultural difference

[gleaming lodge]

???

First of, I'm French

Second, I'm a defenderknights player

[deft badger]

that explains it as well

hi neighbor

[full finch]

ayo

[gleaming lodge]

I'm no expert since I no longer live in my mom's basement (unlike someone here), but I definitely know a thing or two about tankyness

[pallid veldt]

wtf i live in the attic not the basement

[gleaming lodge]

If you try to have Mudrock solo-tank every boss, you don't understand her kit

[deft badger]

well start at making sense, when u wanna proof someone wrong then talking s-

[gleaming lodge]

What proof do you need ?

Show where your Mud dies
Then put Hoshi (alone as well)
And we will see what happens

[deft badger]

overall, not just mudrock i am talking in general

[gleaming lodge]

What ?

[deft badger]

nvm since u didn't get it

[gleaming lodge]

What is the question then

All I do is come here, scroll up, and see a random saying "Mud can't tank"

[deft badger]

there isn't any, i was saying in general if u wanna proof someone wrong get in to it with ur brains not with ur tongue

[gleaming lodge]

What is this then lmao ??

[deft badger]

well don't expect someone to be nice to u when u go in to the room like u did