strategy

[jovial nest]

its easier to count which limited ops are actually broken tier

[pallid veldt]

this reminds me

of those ppl that show up in cc-central during cc season

[jovial nest]

and do those "no-welfares, no-limiteds" in a goddamn R8 clear?

[main halo]

What is it?

[pallid veldt]

and are like "how do i do max risk daily no men no limited no operators released after march 25 2021 no operators that name start with M or L or H"

and it turns out they are just missing all the limiteds and coping

[jovial nest]

My only limited that i don't have is Ash and you don't see.....
I do bitch about it

[solar spindle]

chalter is broken?

[main halo]

Yeah

[jovial nest]

you living in a cave?

[main halo]

But not always usable

[jovial nest]

she's only hindered by her short range,

something you don't use on stuff like IS3

the rest?

fair game

[main halo]

So far Gladiia and friends have helped me in many R15

[glass monolith]

Take mediocre character. Give it true AoE, range extend, ammo based skill, ammo economy talent, crit, double hit, slow, Def debuff ... And suddenly this potato is strong AF

[jovial nest]

she's the nuker you want if the boss abuses invul

ammo conservation really makes her be the best-paced nuker

[solar spindle]

not use her in awhile so i wonder if she still good

[jovial nest]

she's never fallen off

[glass monolith]

She does fall off against 3k Def because get fucked bubble dudes in SN

[solar spindle]

i just spam mlynar all the way

[jovial nest]

mlynar's damage ACTUALLY falls off when he kills too many

also it depends on how long you waited for him

to charge his ATK higher

but anyways....

use both

[sullen rover]

oh my god i literally had it and then forgot about leftlane..

[jovial nest]

there's a reason Mudrock can't even help top lane during those -1 block CM

she's the perfect answer to the crit guys

holy shit

I should've considered adding Suzuran in that lineup over NG

welp too late

no need to make the clear any more ideal

[sullen rover]

oh my god specter skill is literally one second late from holding left lane i hate this so much

[jovial nest]

even with Spelter's mod3?

[sullen rover]

i dont have her mod but i got her s2m3

literally missing 1 sp

[jovial nest]

who are you borrowing?

[sullen rover]

pozy

[jovial nest]

and I'm guessing you don't have her of course?

[sullen rover]

yes my burst options for air sucks

problem is just left lane

could prolly just fix with helidroppng taxes

[jovial nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C8Sw0aMaB4

My god, someone's bored enough to have done this

[sullen rover]

oh my god finally

[shadow sentinel]

for me i used pozym first cycle+typerwriter on ya first phase right when she appeared, then mjlar right when she blows up at 2nd phase, when pozym back up, pop skill, typewriter bottom lane to kill dupe ya

manages to kill her with that

mjnlar and pozy p1, s3m3 lv 60

works very well at cm

[cursive mango]

ill give it a shot

[shadow sentinel]

for normal, you might have a bit of annoying time placing pozy so she doesnt get shreded by high def dudes, so place an aoe arts caster (or eyja s2)

[cursive mango]

Thinking something like this

[sullen rover]

whats for left lane?

[cursive mango]

cuora and pozy thiny

thingy

[sullen rover]

yeah should be pretty easy with that squad

[cursive mango]

im not exactly sure on placements but ill give it a go

we die on phase 2

[sullen rover]

pozy can shred phase 2 to around 80%

also penans there isnt very good

exu and ifrit can prolly finish the boss

[cursive mango]

also boss seemed to walk through monster

[sullen rover]

yeah cant block phase 2

[cursive mango]

oh

[vernal lion]

with enough beacon, boss can be blocked kekw

[cursive mango]

I could try with a support mylnar

[sullen rover]

mlynar doesnt do as much dmg as pozy here

[vernal lion]

no block got hurt today

[cursive mango]

if penance doesnt go there, where should I put her?

[sullen rover]

prolly the dog lane

penans need to eat trash mobs first to be tanky

[cursive mango]

[sullen rover]

if you have specter s2m3ed she could solo left lane

[cursive mango]

only maxed S2 ;-;

ill try with the swapped positions

[glass monolith]

What is spawn RNG on fucking EX-8?

Practice 10 dogs. Real run: 10 shield fuckers

[vernal lion]

imagine boss can spawn boss...

[sullen rover]

technically it spawned another boss(the clone)

[vernal lion]

I mean, this...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966098097145020527/966111797692231720/image0-25.gif

[dull pivot]

How to nuked this 2 boss

Apparently i can nuke 1 of them but the bottom will have a huge problem because the left side will definitely suffer

[sullen rover]

pozy gets boss to 50% and clone to 20% just handle the rest

doesnt spalter solo left?

[dull pivot]

Can she? I didnt try

[sullen rover]

i did with normal specter s2m3

spalter should work?

[dull pivot]

Oh we have same

Should i just nuke 1 boss then leave the bottom?

[vernal lion]

Chalter can kill boss easily lol

[dull pivot]

I cant tell if ling dragon can hold the boss

[vernal lion]

nope, because boss dmg is arts dmg

[dull pivot]

I did chelter+pozy with skalter buff

And add texas for quick burst

Apparently not enough nuke lmao idk probably skill issue

[sullen rover]

really? pozy and fia s3l7 was enough for me to nuke

shouldnt have problem with chalter and pozy

[dull pivot]

Bottom alone was held by ntr + pozy bow

[cursive mango]

cant kill bottom boss, it lives

[dull pivot]

Should i just use pozy and bow on 1 boss?

[sullen rover]

pozy + bow leaves boss at 40-50% clone at 20%

finish the clone and small damage on boss will work

[dull pivot]

Ohhh ok then i just need that bow to attack the top side

I feel like texas alone can just kill the bottom right?

[sullen rover]

texas does like no damage tbh

i just used texas to clear mobs

[dull pivot]

Really?

[sullen rover]

yes i had her mod3 s3m3 too

[dull pivot]

Dang then how do i finish the bottom?

If i go all out nuke on top boss

[sullen rover]

you just need to kill the real for the clone to disappear

[dull pivot]

Boss is weak on arts right?

[sullen rover]

focus on the black sword note that it will switch position sometimes

[sullen rover]

40 res

[dull pivot]

I see isee tyty ill try now

Ill update if i completed or not xd

[cursive mango]

how do you set up the bow to kill the bottom boss?

on the bottom left facing the lane?

[sullen rover]

wait are you doing normal or challenge mode?

[cursive mango]

normals

[sullen rover]

normal borrow mlynar

[cursive mango]

[vernal lion]

challenge mode is -1 block, good luck with that

[sullen rover]

isnt -1 block good cuz ranged unit just doesnt die to shield people anymore

[vernal lion]

but considering your melee op -1 block tho

[sullen rover]

eh i didnt really have problem maybe that just depends on your squad

[vernal lion]

yea, it's not that much issue

but as long as you kill the boss, the game then is easy

even afk strat just works

[cursive mango]

if I borrow mylnar boss just walks through and cant get passed phase one

[vernal lion]

imagine using mlynar to block lmao

[foggy grove]

skill issue fr

[sullen rover]

just use someone to block

[glass monolith]

What took you so long boss started moving when I had time to deploy Kroos, Ceobe and Fartooth before boss even spawned?

[cursive mango]

[sullen rover]

mlynar skill > stall until boss dead > mlynar skill again > boss dead

[gentle finch]

meow

meanwhile I didn't even reach boss

[vernal lion]

easy boss died to meta

[ebon kiln]

how do i deal with the massive hordes after i kill the boss in ex8 cm

[gentle finch]

Based on my intuition

I believe you would kill them

[vernal lion]

should put the top dragon 1 tile to the right, facing down

[gentle finch]

usar mlynar

use

[vernal lion]

also take that Blaze out

lol

[cursive mango]

did a practice and mynlar killed everyone

[gentle finch]

cm?

[sullen rover]

mlynar cant kill both phase with only 2 skill cycle in cm unfortunately.. just have to use 2% more brain power smh

[deft badger]

i did it with exu

[vernal lion]

Exu is an option nyeh

[deft badger]

did let exu face left side, so i did let her walk up to my mudrock and she died there
CM btw...

[cursive mango]

nu normals

[gentle finch]

I see

[cursive mango]

is CM harder or better because of the block thing

[sullen rover]

cm harder because boss has more stats

[cursive mango]

I’ve done these

guess ill farm the stuff for now

[rugged talon]

How do u guys protect left side on ex-8?

[sullen rover]

specter s2m3 kal s2m3 mudrock

[vernal lion]

Mountain

[rugged talon]

Could penance work?

[vernal lion]

maybe, if the reflect dmg is good enough

[heady hedge]

pretty sure no

[vernal lion]

Penance almost has died to Hitman in IS, so...

[rugged talon]

Well i dont have any of those and using chenalter as support for the boss so idk

[ebon kiln]

Isnt s3 better for kal

[heady hedge]

??????

who using s3 kal for laneholding

[ebon kiln]

Dont only these guys come down that lane

[vernal lion]

ahem

[heady hedge]

ok actually i do

nvm

[fringe spade]

Pfft

I mean you could

But generally if using Kal for landholding you use S2

[rugged talon]

All my 6* + what im trying to use for ex-8, the left side just fucks me over

[vernal lion]

should build other op with lower-star lol

[sullen rover]

heal defender + dps maybe?

[cosmic thicket]

what da reed doin

[sullen rover]

emotional support

[cyan gorge]

Mud can solo left side, but Penance just dies

[glass monolith]

On CM I managed to murder by E2 60 Mudrock on left as well

[cosmic thicket]

yeah my mudrock was chilling on left

[cyan gorge]

I just did cm, my Mud never went below half health

[cosmic thicket]

although i'm curious how do you deal with the boss that's not mlynar/chalter/exu buff army

[glass monolith]

Guess it is my skill issue from deploying her on top of guy at last moment because I am tunnel focused in other places

Lost 30 sanity on cm because I forgot my own opener

[cyan gorge]

I could almost do it with Fartooth + Fia + Shamare but I don't have enough squad slots so I just borrow Mlynar

[cosmic thicket]

rip

for cm i ended up using angelina s3 to slow/damage all 3 lanes LMAO

[glass monolith]

Which is still not even close to how much NL-EX-8 and NL-S-4 took during original run

[cosmic thicket]

this is lowkey a goated tile

[tidal sedge]

How did u do that?

[glass monolith]

Do funny isometric map thing? Ark-night in pins has map tool

[dull pivot]

Crazy insta

Dont look at left side

Nothing wrong i swear

[glass monolith]

Only Ines reveals, not Canta

[dull pivot]

(run failed cause leaked on the left side xd 3 hit dragon .. puts spelter.. also 3 hit... Then gg)

[rugged talon]

Dp + stalls early while i actually set up

[glass monolith]

Yea, stealth dudes are bullshit this event

[cyan gorge]

I did ex8 normal with bird only
Mr. Nothing cheeses left side

[dull pivot]

After an hour... -2 sanity pot

Finally

[glass monolith]

It is closer to how much bloodknight cost me in 2022

[dull pivot]

Ty @sullen rover it worked

I ling dragon to stall more on top side and try to burst more on bot to fully insta it... Then yeah it worked

They both die at the same time

Then spelter+texas to burst the left to avoid 3hit on that stupid mob crazy damage

[dark violet]

I could've been smart and use chalter, but I wanted to try rosa. Is the switch kinda random? Sometimes I'd be screwed, sometimes not

[tidal sedge]

This shit took me almost 3hrs and -2 Sanity pot.

Used my own Start so it was worth it

[dark violet]

indeed

[tidal sedge]

Specter saved me

[vernal lion]

can't wait to see ppl got fucked up with this dragon

[cyan gorge]

Not even a dragon 💀

[vernal lion]

yea

[tidal sedge]

Where's that from

[vernal lion]

Wyvern isn't dragon tbh

[vernal lion]

next collab

[dark violet]

?

[tidal sedge]

MH collab?

[vernal lion]

yes

[cyan gorge]

I've killed plenty of Rathalos in MH, surely I can handle AK version

[tidal sedge]

Looking forward to it

[dark violet]

should be fine, got my rollcutters ready

[vernal lion]

I still don't understand, why would they give a fuck ton of HP for that boss p2

[dark violet]

sounds in line with mh

[vernal lion]

I mean, seriously, 320.000 HP ???

[cyan gorge]

Isn't there like a Surtr only clear of the boss stage?

[vernal lion]

stun bomb is just MVP here

[cyan gorge]

Same as old MH

[dark violet]

probably a taxes only clear too

[glass monolith]

Ah yes. The "Why my Chalter dead in 3 seconds"

Also - MH Collab. When best vanguard is Weedy and it makes sense

[cosmic thicket]

what how

[gentle finch]

geez

[glass monolith]

Weedy module: refunds half of DP if placed on ranged tile.
MH one of many mechanics: device to move operator for free

[gentle finch]

had to bring sexas

idk if its possible with a different strat without her

but idc enough to try

[vernal lion]

Weedy the Fast-redeploy

[cosmic thicket]

what the

is weedy mod even available with mh collab

i actually don't know

[gentle finch]

idk

[glass monolith]

It was for CN I think

[gentle finch]

I didn't even know she had module

lmfao

[glass monolith]

But you know YOSTAR aka 3 month Dorothy delay with sniper module while we fight flying bosses

[tidal sedge]

What did Dorogone mod have something to do with this?

[dark violet]

taxes is AH, all good

can't wait for the ulpianus reaper that reduces rdp time for AH

[tidal sedge]

Well if he is playable ofc

[dark violet]

and the obligatory andrealter summoner that gives thorns aura and res to AH

[cosmic thicket]

nahhhhh

[dark violet]

it wasn't a dream, He showed me

[cosmic thicket]

hot take ulpianus isn't coming until cn's 5.5 anni

HG needs to make more design mistakes before AH squad looks fine in comparison

[tidal sedge]

Huh?

[dark violet]

what about gravel, but for ambushers

[cosmic thicket]

the entire faction is balanced around having few ops to take advantage of the AH buffs which is big stupid

also a theoretical ulpian mod would also have to be an in-squad AH buff which is also big stupid

[dark violet]

I just realized an andrea alter would need to be called andré

[fringe spade]

Well depending on who you ask big stupid = big fun?

[cosmic thicket]

no it's just a horrible decision game design-wise

[sour mantle]

For AH, let's wait Ulpian and Incandescence before another alter

[dark violet]

when will andrea get her limelight

[tidal sedge]

Like she doesn’t part of the team lol

[fringe spade]

Fair, but it’s already happened so no going back now, might as well double down on it

[cosmic thicket]

nah

doing that would kill whatever's left of game balance after horn pozy mlynar texalter

[fringe spade]

Game balance? What’s that? /s

[dark violet]

wasn't that what was said during the surtr SA era

[cosmic thicket]

i've had to do balancing for a game before and while generally ak's been fine there's definitely been many questionable incidents recently

[cosmic thicket]

idk i wasn't here for that

[glass monolith]

Invisible flying drone with 10 range shield of WR boss, attacks of IW boss, and amount of phases as SN boss

[cosmic thicket]

but surtr basically made a ton of enemies get a lot of res by themselves and thereby made casters cringe

[dark violet]

I agree there's some pretty broken ops recently, but it doesn't feel like the enemies are a joke either. The challenge missions are tricky

[cosmic thicket]

the fact that they have to design mechanics around entire ops/big dps options is a pretty big bruh moment

[pallid veldt]

the game has definitely gotten easier

in like

the past year

[cosmic thicket]

yeah

[glass monolith]

Casters have small attack, buffs are attack based. Game was rigged from the start

[pallid veldt]

bc op power levels have surpassed stage difficulty scaling

unfortunately the downside of this is that for players without the best operators, they have trouble in difficult content designed for said best operators

but then again you can argue that they shouldnt be playing the difficult content in the first place

[fringe spade]

I think that’s why the stages haven’t scaled as hard

[pallid veldt]

yeah

[dark violet]

which is good

[brave sun]

there's difficult content designed? nah

[pallid veldt]

?

max risk cc

[cosmic thicket]

what

[pallid veldt]

d15 endings IS3

[brave sun]

way easier than before

[pallid veldt]

???

[brave sun]

no anti mylnar tech etc

[pallid veldt]

mlynar is literally unplayable in max risk cc12

CN players tried for 2 whole weeks with entire teams to fit mlynar in there somehow

[dark violet]

that's arrogant to say things are way too easy, stuff can still make average players struggle a lot

[pallid veldt]

and they quit on the last day bc it was impossible

[fringe spade]

Wait why tho

[pallid veldt]

also how is IS3 easier than before it literally didnt exist

before

[pallid veldt]

turns out when the enemies actually do damage taunt is bad

[brave sun]

used to be max risk cc were super pot gated

[pallid veldt]

also just the map

[fringe spade]

Then he just… dies?

[pallid veldt]

is not good

[pallid veldt]

it still is

????

have you seen cc11 max risk clears

[cosmic thicket]

wait is cc12 boss strictly melee attacks or also ranged

[pallid veldt]

cc9 is also incredibly difficult

to max risk

and it took a ridiculous amount of theorycrafting from top arknights teams to find out the final strat

[fluid sail]

just melee iirc

[pallid veldt]

like yeah sure there are fluke cc's every once in a while

[cosmic thicket]

so what's the enemy killing mlynar

[pallid veldt]

like cc7 cc10

and arguably cc12

but that doesnt mean the most difficult content in the game as a whole is getting easier

i mean difficult content

is getting easier

[cosmic thicket]

cc8 max also required max pot surtr iirc? not 100% sure

[brave sun]

i havent played is2 for a while but yeah is3 different difficulty levels is a fair point

[pallid veldt]

probably just p3

[cosmic thicket]

maybe

[brave sun]

the non optional content is definitely easier and not scaled to the best ops

[pallid veldt]

IS3 d15 is not even remotely comparable to IS2 hard mode

[cosmic thicket]

^

[brave sun]

used to be emperor who killed surtr in normal missions

[pallid veldt]

IS2 hard mode you literally get e2 thorns and e2 pozy and you physically cannot lose

[glass monolith]

IS3 d7 is IS2 hard mode

[cosmic thicket]

unless u do like
bear with crown

[glass monolith]

Enemy buff wise

[brave sun]

now normal missions are zzz and harder content is gated behind optional stuff like is3 d15

[pallid veldt]

if ur doing highmore ending its more like

d10

tbh

highmore ending is just so easy

[cosmic thicket]

yeah i'd agree closer to d10

[pallid veldt]

if ur doing other endings its definitely lower though

[cosmic thicket]

the fact that horn exists also stall setups like nothing permastun makes it not terribly hard

[pallid veldt]

but yeah

like event stages are piss easy for most players

i agree

[cinder pike]

Knight boss is generally just bring gg

[cosmic thicket]

not at high diff right

[pallid veldt]

does gg even work at mid-D

like d10

[brave sun]

i will take your word that is2 hard = is3 d10?

but now u only need to do is3 d7

[pallid veldt]

GG doesnt do shit on d15

idk about like

d7 or d10

[cosmic thicket]

second -10 res is d12 iirc

[pallid veldt]

just the enemy scaling is bad enough tbh

[cinder pike]

depends on what ascensions, but for people doing d0 it is probs the most reliable clear for last knight

[dark violet]

you never needed to do IS2 hard, so they increased the difficulty required for clears

[brave sun]

u dont need to do is3 d1+ either right

[cosmic thicket]

is2 normal is like d3 is3

[brave sun]

it's just faster

[dark violet]

you do for medals

d7

[brave sun]

nothing exists for is2?

[dark violet]

nope

[brave sun]

icic

[dark violet]

IS2 medals are honestly way too easy

[cosmic thicket]

it's 2 endings for medal

[heady hedge]

Is2 os literally use shalem man

[pallid veldt]

unironically i have full IS3 medal set and not full IS2 medal set

i have not used shalem

ever

[heady hedge]

I haven't used shalem onve

[cosmic thicket]

i got shalem in a temp recruit which is the only reason why i have shalem medal

[pallid veldt]

i used highmore during the LD tourna

e1 60 highmore my beloved

[glass monolith]

I never had morbius from temp recruit, while IS2 just feed you Shalem on every second defender pack

[cosmic thicket]

isn't there a shalem monthly squad tho

does that count for medal

[pallid veldt]

dunno

[dark violet]

I'd just grab shalem e1 0 when I had nothing else to pick so I could increase the medal counter, lol

[pallid veldt]

also

i did not know there were vouchers in IS3 that guaranteed 5* temp recruitments

but apparently they exist

[cosmic thicket]

isn't that the advance squad one

[pallid veldt]

no

those are 4* recruitments

its like if you roll 8 on a store

[cosmic thicket]

no i mean the encounter "advance squad"

[pallid veldt]

oh idk

[cosmic thicket]

what the hell

[pallid veldt]

i got itin a store

whats an advance squad encounter

[glass monolith]

Extra voucher in IS3 is 5*, random squad is 4* still. There is rare "already have e2 operators" voucher

[cosmic thicket]

random encounter at f2 that gave you some random voucher

[pallid veldt]

ah

[glass monolith]

Also based squads just randomly promote.... Your e0 1 operators

[pallid veldt]

true...

[dark violet]

at least it makes me feel like it was worth e2 all my ops.

and I still get the e0 1 I didn't have the resources for yet

[glass monolith]

I gain operators faster than I e2 them

And I forgot last time I did m3 on someone, outside of British cat because deserved it

[pallid veldt]

i havent e2d anyone in a while tbh

i mainly just do masteries

[dark violet]

to be fair, it's doable, there's a fair amount of events breathers that don't add new ops, there's mostly only the big full events, but the rest is reruns or simpler stuff

so the resources can catch back up

[cinder pike]

there is soo many new operators, I forget most of them tbh

[dark violet]

of the ones I own, I managed to e2 4/5 of 4*, 1/2 of 5*, and 1/2 of my 6*. Considering I also mod 1 all of them so the lmd loss is quite high. The biggest trouble I'm facing is the module devices which are very limited and no great source.

and I spent a lot on my main squad ops (mod 3, M6/9), so I could've saved more if I didn't

I'd say the rate of new ops is slower than you can mod 1 them

which isn't a bad thing

core caster mod killed all my device reserves though

I'm crying for more

[fringe spade]

You guys got reserves?

[dark violet]

I stockpiled a fair amount despite the constant drain yeah

lmd not really, it flows all the time

[pallid veldt]

yeah ive been broke on LMD for like

the past 2 weeks

mfw

[dark violet]

got a big bump with event+IS, so I went to 800K in a day

and it'll go down fast when I add another 6* to the trust squad

[tidal sedge]

Do you guys use Supporters regularly or just for fulfilling some specific tasks

I've Pramanix, Quercus, Shamare and Mag unbuilt, wondering I should build them or not

[dark violet]

in terms of mats, though, it's going well (except for devices, both kinds)

[dark violet]

I heard shamare is great because of the debuff

[pallid veldt]

en masse i dont use supporters on my team

[dark violet]

otherwise I mostly use summoners or skalter

[pallid veldt]

id rather just more dps

but yeah shamare is worth

[cinder pike]

great for physical squads or tanking enemies

[pallid veldt]

strong atk and def debuff as well as base skill

[cinder pike]

it is a very good unit

[fluid sail]

do shamare
great debuffer & base skill

[tidal sedge]

Yeah Shamare is pretty good

Love her skin too

[fringe spade]

I use Gnosis as an (admittedly poor) sub for Eyja

[dark violet]

ironically, the catalysts are the least valuable resource to get, I already have over 2/3 of my needs. Please Yostar give us more mod device sources

doing these stats is interesting to see how some resources aren't equal

[gentle finch]

I use skalter

🐰

[tidal sedge]

Me too

[pallid veldt]

gnosis is based

[gentle finch]

speaking of eyja

gonna max her out soon

[turbid badge]

i like skalter, gnosis yea

[gentle finch]

I want an afk skill for ranged

[pallid veldt]

wdym

[gentle finch]

S2

[pallid veldt]

ah

[gentle finch]

its just satisfying to use

[pallid veldt]

yeah

i dont have eyja or GG

kinda cringe ngl

[gentle finch]

rip

[turbid badge]

loll

[gentle finch]

goldenglow is so comfy

[pallid veldt]

but being deadass i would not raise either of them if i got them

so like

[turbid badge]

i like goldenglow

[gentle finch]

skull

the thing about getting a 90

[turbid badge]

her s3 mechanic is funny to use , i use toddi mark them and then s3 shred heehehaw

[gentle finch]

I have to level someone else to 90 or else it won't even out

[turbid badge]

dam

i 90 hellagur but havent gave him module lmao

[pallid veldt]

the only existing ops in the game i would raise if i got them are probably just

mlynar and pozy

i guess i would raise gav too

[gentle finch]

u don't have gav

[pallid veldt]

nah

[gentle finch]

[pallid veldt]

i wasnt playing then

[gentle finch]

sadge

[pallid veldt]

started texas banner

[gentle finch]

crazy

[pallid veldt]

like last couple days of texas banner

started again

i should say

i played before then

[lapis hornet]

damn lucky, I started after texas

[pallid veldt]

ok cake

🗿

[lapis hornet]

missed this incredible unit

[gentle finch]

when did you quit

[turbid badge]

i tried raising gav for niche and tasks now i barley use her now

[pallid veldt]

after cc8

[gentle finch]

mm

I see

[lapis hornet]

honestly I have so many units it's like

I can say I "barely use" for 98% of them

after a point it's just personal preference

[gentle finch]

true

[foggy grove]

[pallid veldt]

I got burned out from cc7

[turbid badge]

i have like 2 units with 0 trust

[pallid veldt]

So i did like

Cc8 w1 max and then quit

[foggy grove]

I'm enabling janky unit now

[turbid badge]

havent tuched

[pallid veldt]

Unironically

Cake i feel like u mentioned this before

But im kind of a hoshi enjoyer now

[gentle finch]

after eyja id probably build nian or something

I don't have a crazy tank

[pallid veldt]

Hoshi is gaming

[turbid badge]

yes u do

[pallid veldt]

[lapis hornet]

yeah

[turbid badge]

Ah

[gentle finch]

i do have Saria but

I know I want to build Brian

Niña*

Nian*

fuck

[fluid sail]

i love autocorrect

[gentle finch]

fr

[fringe spade]

年

[turbid badge]

nina

[gentle finch]

i know I want to build nian

so if I build Saria

i wouldn't have to build nian

[lapis hornet]

saria good for afk boomers like me

[gentle finch]

well my Saria is kinda built already
she just modless

and s1m1

[pallid veldt]

my saria is like

[lapis hornet]

nian not afk so she useless

[pallid veldt]

mod X lvl 2

or something

i think i did it for cc11

i forgot

[lapis hornet]

same

[pallid veldt]

pepela

[turbid badge]

same

[gentle finch]

so im purposefully not building Saria to the max just so I can cope Nian into squad

[turbid badge]

i didnt mod 3

[pallid veldt]

seeing gnosis p6 and then dying of cringe

[gentle finch]

speaking of them

i didn't finish my skadi M6 yet 💀

been delaying since forever

[pallid veldt]

ngl skalter s1 > s3

[gentle finch]

skadi normal

[pallid veldt]

oh

[turbid badge]

skalter normal

[pallid veldt]

yeah but

[gentle finch]

her S2 is only M1

[turbid badge]

Kek

[gentle finch]

this clear would be doable without pozy

if it was M3

[pallid veldt]

AH

dying of cringe

[gentle finch]

one man's cringe is another man's love

wise words from water

[turbid badge]

water im gonna e2 dusk soob

waow

[gentle finch]

good

you should

[pallid veldt]

[dark violet]

she's my first e2 1 6*, the only so far I didn't use at all

[lapis hornet]

gavial's pretty good tho?

[turbid badge]

yea she is

[dark violet]

I guess she didn't fill her role more that I'd feel like needing her

yeah, she is

but unlike the other 6* I raised, I didn't really need her that much

[lapis hornet]

you don't really need anyone in particular

[dark violet]

I need ceobe

[lapis hornet]

?!?!

[gleaming lodge]

Huh

[soft crystal]

Ceobe is very funny dog

[gleaming lodge]

No

Gavial is strong
Ceobe is not

[gentle finch]

You need Pallas

life isn't as beautiful without

[lapis hornet]

maybe orian's stuck in a time bubble and he's playing cc5

[dark violet]

funny dadada lights up the day

[gentle finch]

speaking of M6

[gleaming lodge]

Ok

Mate

We talk meta here

[gentle finch]

my reed S3 currently m3ing

[soft crystal]

I mean theyre not wrong

[gentle finch]

honestly it's not a bad skill

[gleaming lodge]

You do whatever you with your waifu taste

[dark violet]

I wasn't aware

[soft crystal]

Dadada is cute

[gleaming lodge]

That's none of my business

[turbid badge]

dadada

[gleaming lodge]

But the meta is "supposedly" universal

[gentle finch]

i never liked ceobe

her expression pisses me off

[turbid badge]

same until i just read her story which was kinda wholesome

[gleaming lodge]

Also ceobe literally has room temp IQ (in Celsius), so that's a weird waifu

[pallid veldt]

true

she is like

crippling stupid

[turbid badge]

[dark violet]

it's just about being happy

[glass monolith]

Ceobe can survive my cooking and loyal doggo

[dark violet]

sometimes, you don't need depression https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ymn4bXCIM0

[tidal sedge]

What else u expect from hungry doggo

[glass monolith]

Average operator module lore: DEPRESSION
Ceobe module lore: Ceobe beat up bandits with bread

[turbid badge]

*hard bread

[dark violet]

bonk baguette

[tidal sedge]

While smoking mushroom

[tropic valve]

hey ceobe's stupidity gifted us the best game mode

[turbid badge]

ikr

shes always in my base in the factory!

[dark violet]

genius and idiocy are sides of the same coin

[glass monolith]

Pallas Ceobe and funny +2% one

[dark violet]

vermeil scene pallas, ceobe vulcan bubble. I love how ceobe and vulcan work best together

[turbid badge]

rosa op

[dark violet]

she's fun, wish I had her, besieger is pretty unique

helped me clear ex8 cm today

[covert tiger]

hi guys, new to the game here

[dark violet]

hi theus

[covert tiger]

just for starters, should i worry about tier lists and stuff?

[cyan gorge]

Ignore all tier lists

[turbid badge]

yea

just focus on kroos

[dark violet]

not really. Find a few ops you're comfortable with, see which lead you to victory

[turbid badge]

3* sniper

[covert tiger]

ok good so any character i like might work

nice

[turbid badge]

and base slaves and just level ur team equally or rush e2 to borrow for a event if u want to beat

[dark violet]

don't invest in too many 5/6* at the start

[cyan gorge]

You can make almost anything work if you know how the operator works

[dark violet]

not all are equal, but if you work hard enough, all can be used for most content

[turbid badge]

theres a beginner guide but idk if its been updated i havent checked

check pins in help

[dark violet]

there's only the high high end stuff that might need you to reforge your squad seriously

[glass monolith]

Any character can work but some work better only in cases which you almost never encounter unless you look for them on purpose

[dark violet]

what you need to make sure is to have enough roles covered

[turbid badge]

i love maps where i can abuse a chongyue intersection

[glass monolith]

Also no amount of manpower can convince me Windflit has any usage

[dark violet]

yeah

[turbid badge]

i was thinking more corroseum

[dark violet]

his strengths are, being?

[turbid badge]

his module barley did much tbh

[dark violet]

he at least does some damage

[turbid badge]

buffing but theres better options and hes limited to choices so hes considered wtv

[glass monolith]

Is4 ending 2 spawns like 30 exploding slugs

[turbid badge]

its okay ill have texas and uato

[dark violet]

exploding slugs?

dorothy time

[tropic valve]

yeah tier lists are dumb

[glass monolith]

Counter exploding conga with exploding conga

[covert tiger]

ok, thanks. i'm still not past the tutorial but i'm sure i'll learn about the roles soon

[covert tiger]

do you have a link to it?

[dark violet]

yeah, you'll be fine. Slowly learning bit by bit

at the start you mostly use basic stats

I've been mainly using the same 4* healer since near the beginning, even for the hardest stuff. So you should be able to use your favorites fairly easily

unless you want a full squad of splash casters, then I can't help you

[turbid badge]

cant find the doc but here

[covert tiger]

great thanks <#

❤️

[turbid badge]

252 base , pref not max right side of base ask help for more questions if u have any

[dark violet]

and feel free to ping us if you have questions

always good to see new people

[turbid badge]

2 trading post , 3 fac, 2 powerplants

[covert tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/klee-boom-klee-genshin-impact-boom-boom-boom-gif-25493069

[glass monolith]

Most 6*s are great but cost most to upgrade, 5* has alot of operators who barely worth using over 4* versions, but some 5* are super great - like Shamare's "anywhere on map" -50% atk debuff.
About half of 4* are great, half are usable, also cheapest to upgrade.
Some 3* worth too - Kroos due big damage from skill. Steward with targeting of highest Def. Defenders do their job

[glass monolith]

(We don't do that here gif)

[dark violet]

ansel is pretty decent too

[glass monolith]

As person who started with Ptilo I am too based to lower rarity medics

[turbid badge]

3* that are really nice are like spot, melantha, kroos, ansel, steward yea

[covert tiger]

ty

[cyan gorge]

5*s are either super great and flexible or super niche
not much in between

[dark violet]

F, you'll never know the joy of perfumer

[turbid badge]

yea except like 60% are super niche kek

[glass monolith]

I need to build perfumer and Deepcolor to do some cheese in future

[dark violet]

perfumer is so fun

[glass monolith]

I had Angelina as only healer in prison annihilation

[dark violet]

@covert tiger also, when you've gotten some 5/6* and you're unsure which you want to invest in, feel free to ask too. Early, it's a huge investment to do even one

[smoky swan]

i can now rest

[pallid veldt]

congrats

H8-4 always hard

[dark violet]

I remember scrambling with gravel and specter

doing funky stuff

[pallid veldt]

yeah my first clear was so scuffed

[glass monolith]

I recall when I went to do H8-4... I activated S2 of Heavyrain to tank firewave better

[pallid veldt]

i think i used gravel and waai fu

as my fast redeploys

waai fu is actually good on that stage

she debuffs talulah attack

[dark violet]

I had p.red too

[glass monolith]

After using Heavyrain to cheese challenge 8 in cc7 I build one myself, and since then every time I bring Heavyrain to do camo I only end up backfiring myself

[turbid badge]

oh reed fireballs cant hit air?

[turbid badge]

i built her just for enmity earlier

lmao

perfumer angelina skalter

[glass monolith]

My AP 5 is Angelina Perfumer La Pluma to hold mid

[cyan gorge]

You guys bring healing to AP5?

[glass monolith]

My April and Phantom heal by adiósing after killing mortal

[dark violet]

the only one I'm missing for ultimate perma regen specter is angelina

[glass monolith]

"H11-4 but I tank boss with only regen" when

[dark violet]

tbh she already tanks most bosses through regen

but it's not enough

[turbid badge]

chongyue range carrying

lol

[dark violet]

vigil op?

[dark violet]

finally found it, guess I had to get support nightingale for it

scene lens were so useful too

[robust hemlock]

eeh?

[pallid veldt]

I still dont have an auto

[dark violet]

glad we don't need one

[pallid veldt]

True

[tropic valve]

me neither, because I didn't have Nightingale at the time and borrowed one

[covert tiger]

(i'm having a lot of fun)

[dark violet]

great to hear

[gentle finch]

i can't remember if I borrowed for H8-4

[dark violet]

tbh this is the best TD gameplay I've ever experienced

[tropic valve]

agreed

[gentle finch]

yeah

[dark violet]

and that combined with dadada can make me happy for years

[covert tiger]

when in combat are guards prefered?

like what's their purpose?

[gentle finch]

to kill

[cyan gorge]

Guards are a very loose class in what they provide
Generally you can consider them as high melee damage, though there are exceptions

[dark violet]

guards are the jack of all trade class

and the master of all too

[cyan gorge]

You should also pay attention to and read up on subclasses and what they can do

[dark violet]

and yeah, subclasses matter a lot

it changes drastically how the op plays and the role

[cyan gorge]

For example you might use a lord guard like Lappland quite differently than a swordmaster like Cutter

[dark violet]

guards will tend to be your main non ranged damage dealers

even more apparent between liberators and centurions

one will never really block, and the other is made for that

the subclasses are why you might prefer playing with some types over others, regardless of how strong they might be

[covert tiger]

apart from roles, i also need to learn like how to play in general

like i'm not really used to these kind of tower defense games so i'm like always in doubt about my positioning lol. although it hasn't really mattered yet i managed to clear everything easily since it's the very beginning of the game

[dark violet]

example: I can't stand flagbearers

I can't use them at all

[dark violet]

yeah, that'll happen progressively, I wouldn't worry too much

for now you can focus on having enough damage, and stuff that blocks

getting healing will make blocking more efficient, etc

bit by bit you'll learn strategies as needed

[turbid badge]

theyre the most diverse class

lmao

[covert tiger]

i'm also taking my time because i'm reading the story

[turbid badge]

they have the most archetypes

[covert tiger]

it feels like a visual novel

[turbid badge]

yoo

nice

[dark violet]

it really is, lots of nice story

fellow reading enjoyer 🤝

[covert tiger]

ok so i unlocked the base, time to get back to the beginner guide i'm afraid i'll mess up this one lmao

[turbid badge]

do 252

dont upgrade some right buildings

[dark violet]

I doubt he has enough to do more than 1-2 buildings rn, lol

[covert tiger]

does the positioning of each thing matter?

like trading posts near eachother or watever

[cyan gorge]

Positioning does not matter

[covert tiger]

ty

[dark violet]

it only matters for OCD

and it's helpful to know which one is assigned to what (for factories)

[covert tiger]

damn there is a whole guide on base teams

lol

kinda overwhelming tbh i'm just gonna play it cool for now with the base and just focus on getting the 2/5/2

[cyan gorge]

Once you get your main squad squared away, you can start raising 3 and 4* base slaves

since they get their useful skills at e1

[covert tiger]

do you think i'll lose too much if i don't focus on learning about the base right away?

[cyan gorge]

Base is a major sanity and lmd commitment

[turbid badge]

focus on e1ing for base skills

for now

Dont worry about most teams

just try to get highest %

worry about the teams if u have the op alrd

but most of them require e2

[cyan gorge]

3 and 4* slaves will be enough for a long while until you get your hands on more operators

[dark violet]

even if you don't do 252 it's not a big deal tbh

it's only some less optimization

[craggy turret]

Wb-EX-8? It's mostly the deployment limit + laneholding I'm struggling with. I can rush down the boss easily enough but that leaves no deploy limit

[turbid badge]

team(

[turbid badge]

?

ur team looks pretty solid

[dark violet]

I used the epic block 4 hoshiguma for the challenge

[tropic valve]

how many deploy slots are you devoting to rushing down the boss?

[turbid badge]

is it that bad?

[craggy turret]

Ik I need to get blue woman mod but I literally got her like 3 hours ago

[cyan gorge]

Gavalter, Penance, Mlynar can hold top, Mlynar can also hit boss phase 2

[tropic valve]

shouldn't be more than 4 I think

[turbid badge]

i used chong and nian

kek

and a blocker behind ching

[craggy turret]

I can rush build if u need it rn?

[turbid badge]

man but i should do it

gav s2

does wonders

[cyan gorge]

I probably should've brought a 4 block defender

but I don't have Hoshi so it would've been Heavyrain

[dark violet]

haha

[craggy turret]

What about the boss phase 1? I've been rushing down with Texalt and ling dragons but that leaves top

[dark violet]

I would do phase 1 with skadi s2 and skalter s3

[cyan gorge]

I used buffed Irene + Fartooth for phase 1

[craggy turret]

No skadi or skalter tho

[dark violet]

rip

[cyan gorge]

I think Pozy + Irene can do it

but needs a debuffer like Shamare

[craggy turret]

So I should get aak?

[fair pasture]

I used typewriter +mlynar personally

[craggy turret]

Does gnosis fragile + eyja work?

[fair pasture]

for phase 1

[turbid badge]

that should

[fair pasture]

typewriter for spawnkill position

[cyan gorge]

Boss can't be frozen, but 25% fragile should be helpful

[craggy turret]

I don't think just Myrtle will be enough then...

[cyan gorge]

I had to bring 3 vgs

Texas + 2 flags

[craggy turret]

I've been using bagpipe for bot

With the dogs

[fair pasture]

so I didn’t change mlynar position whole stage. Orange arrow is typewriter for phase 1

[turbid badge]

bottom??

do u really need to protect bottom

eh i guess

in cm

[cyan gorge]

Oh you're talking about normal mode

[fair pasture]

mettle is enough for me uh

[cyan gorge]

Bag useless in cm

[fair pasture]

mrtyle*

[deft badger]

eyja and exu... are we talking about CM?

[craggy turret]

So Myrtle + bagpipe + cantab?

[deft badger]

trust me its easy af

[turbid badge]

ik its pretty easy

esp w that roster

[craggy turret]

The boss kinda reminds me of the ch9 boss but I'm not too clear on the mechanics tbh

[fair pasture]

yea don’t need bagpipe

[dark violet]

I love how different clears can end up

[fair pasture]

real lol

[cyan gorge]

Canta + Elysium was enough dp for me in normal mode

[craggy turret]

So Elysium, cantab and Myrtle?

[fair pasture]

for ling??

[glass wedge]

who should I borrow for the challenge mode ex 8?

[craggy turret]

Yea

[dark violet]

phase 1 is a joke, just block and kill. then phase 2 is cry, only ranged works and check out which one is real to burst. She'll swap places sometimes, so be careful not to burst the shade and she ends up on the lane with nobody

[fair pasture]

sure I’m also kinda lost, you’re struggling with dp in phase 2?

[craggy turret]

Why is she playing mind games...

[cyan gorge]

Do you need to borrow?
I suppose Suzu for slow + fragile

[craggy turret]

Laneholding is becoming a problem cuz of deploy limit

[cosmic thicket]

honestly? suzuran

[glass wedge]

thanks fam i’ll try it

[dark violet]

although important to note that killing the shade deals a fair amount of damage, so if she swaps with super low health, the shade dying will finish the boss too

then you have to deal with the hardest part: the swarm

[cosmic thicket]

if you have e2 warfarin i would say borrow exu instead

[turbid badge]

wtf ur ya goes over there

i just bind with rosa and destroy

[craggy turret]

Swarm can get schwinged out of existence tho

Alr thx peeps

[cyan gorge]

You don't need too much to lanehold on normal tbh

[deft badger]

well i have to let her walk since i don't have that many s- to use

[turbid badge]

fair

[fair pasture]

ok penance blem and gavi can hold all lanes I think. Idk about ling

[turbid badge]

ling prob too much slots for their liking

[dark violet]

I used SA schwing+skalter s3 to solo phase 2 bottom lane

that was my clear

[fair pasture]

I keep thinking they are on cm with -1 block

[deft badger]

normal mode eyja vulcano did kill her in 3 sec...
CM, thorns eyja killing middle let bot walk set up for exu ulti...

[pallid veldt]

CM is easier than normal EX8 isnt it

[cyan gorge]

only slightly

[turbid badge]

should be

[fair pasture]

snipers not blocking is cool

[cyan gorge]

holding top just becomes a bit harder if you lack damage

[turbid badge]

but also disabled some starts/strats with 1 blocksrs

[fair pasture]

left lane mf is annoying

[turbid badge]

like i couldnt just have chongyue hold by himself

[craggy turret]

Smth like this then?

[turbid badge]

that defo should do it

[fair pasture]

pane lmaoooo

I couldn’t use mountain either yea

[cyan gorge]

I couldn't cheese with Mr. Nothing

[craggy turret]

The universe doesn't want me to have Chong

[craggy turret]

Maybe Lee? For left lane yea?

[cyan gorge]

No Lee dies

Mr. Nothing stuns the invis guy out of the buffed attack

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZoC_xp3zXQ
try this if u want, i did just copy what he did...

[fair pasture]

switch out canta

[light flame]

is mudrock S3 cycle fast enough to handle left lane? camo guy out DPSes her at E2 30

[cyan gorge]

then help her

get a helidrop

[craggy turret]

I don't have Suzu or skalter tho...

[light flame]

I've been dropping ntrk on him but would be nice to not

[craggy turret]

To Ely?

[deft badger]

u can get skalter...
and i didn't use suzu i did it with gnossis and some texas intervention

[cyan gorge]

I had Archetto help Mud on the last waves

[fair pasture]

no too much vg. Switch to a dps

[craggy turret]

Ranged or melee?

[cyan gorge]

Someone that can tank left side

Mountain probably dies

[craggy turret]

I can have penance left then

[cyan gorge]

Penance dies too

[craggy turret]

Damn...

[cyan gorge]

she doesn't regen her barrier

[light flame]

left lane is a prime example of a type of lane not to put penance lol

[cyan gorge]

not enough fodder

[fair pasture]

weedy or borrow skalter first glance

[craggy turret]

I do have a mudmud but she's sitting at max E1 rn

Oh wait, blemi

[cyan gorge]

Mud needs like e2 50 to hold left

even then she needs help

[craggy turret]

Blemi S1?

[cyan gorge]

I'm not sure, maybe if she had mod

[craggy turret]

Left seems like a nightmare...

[cyan gorge]

Mr, Nothing mod 3 best cheese

or just borrow a strong Mud if you aren't borrowing anyone else

[dark violet]

I wish weedy could clean up those pesky tiles

[marsh sapphire]

How to translate this to CM
Best built op I have

[craggy turret]

Low rarity clear?

[cyan gorge]

What the Lava doing

[dark violet]

you seem to have a lot of power focused on the left lane

[marsh sapphire]

Dont have other

[dark violet]

doesn't feel super useful to me

[fair pasture]

the pic is really cool

[marsh sapphire]

I try to aim for chain explosion

[cyan gorge]

Do you have no snipers besides Kroos?

[marsh sapphire]

Pozy

E1 atm

[cyan gorge]

were you borrowing anyone?

[marsh sapphire]

Nope

[dark violet]

can taxes solo the boss

[cyan gorge]

I don't think so

[fair pasture]

you are not using many ranged im sure it translates well into cm. just having killing issue

[dark violet]

yeah, this boss punishes super hard not having good ranged dps

worst part is the need to spread it out

[marsh sapphire]

So slot Pozy in at middle lane?

Then have that bot in ortho pos?

[cyan gorge]

e1 Pozy isn't killing anything

especially on cm

[marsh sapphire]

I see

Probably just borrow her

I have an E290 support

So assuming the non CM strat hold for CM

[dark violet]

do you know what CM does?

I don't think any non cm strat would work for CM, unless it's really op

[cyan gorge]

I had to rethink my entire strat for cm

birds only wasn't gonna cut it

[dark violet]

rip

I grabbed rosa support and had to switch dorothy for hoshiguma

[cyan gorge]

I dumped every sniper I owned into the boss and prayed

[fair pasture]

Imagine how many extra shield mobs spawn, that’s impressive

[cyan gorge]

Looking back, I should've used Exu instead of Archetto

[fair pasture]

while me in cm

[cyan gorge]

but I keep forgetting she exists

[fair pasture]

well she’s not bird

[dark violet]

I don't want to think about that

I struggled enough with only one lane

#strategy message true chokepoint moment

[cyan gorge]

If birds got a 2 block vg I could actually birdknights cm

[dark violet]

would've been the perfect mission to use chalter

but ever since I stopped using her, I forgot I could use her

[fluid sail]

is poncirus a bird (know she’s not out yet)
you could theoretically do it on rerun if so

[cyan gorge]

I also need to somehow replace Saria, Mlynar and Shamare

[fluid sail]

yeah that’s tough

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wtf

bad

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go full bird wytff

firewhisyle

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angels are birds, right?

[scarlet fulcrum]

GT copium soon

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go exu

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just open with gnosis

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no

[fair pasture]

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exu is not a bird

lmao

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shh

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they have wings

but there no bird

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I did on normal already #strategy message