this stage is the one that you wouldn't wanna auto anyways so it's fine
#strategy
balmy halo
amiya is just there for extra dmg, she's also on s1
last mist
this stage is the one that you wouldn't wanna auto anyways so it's fine
But... the crystals 
gentle finch
i don't borrow unless new unit I haven't tried
sullen rover
fia on amiya tile is breddy gud no?
sullen granite
this stage is the one that you wouldn't wanna auto anyways so it's fine
Why not? I want to farm crystalline components
balmy halo
try placing ansel right on the upperleftmost tile so enemies wont be able to place down the tower things
or at most they can only place one tile
gentle finch
Why not? I want to farm crystalline components
the story stage is better + WB-7 and WB-8 are more worth to farm since those mats are used more often than crystalline components
balmy halo
u will get overwhelmed very easily once the enemies get buffed
gentle finch
the story stage is better + WB-7 and WB-8 are more worth to farm since those mat...
and they are better than story to farm (WAY better)
last mist
2 defenders with a decent aoe can do the job more than enough
scarlet fulcrum
R8-11 built different 
last mist
the story stage is better + WB-7 and WB-8 are more worth to farm since those mat...
Tho isnt that stage on chap 8
balmy halo
R8-11 built different <:BlitzSmile:826566618322436116>
was this the drone one or what
scarlet fulcrum
Strikers and tal (fighter)
gentle finch
Tho isnt that stage on chap 8
true...
last mist
So new players(like me) wanna do the event stage since we still dont have access to the stage we get event currency + crystal
last mist
Laggy asf since i let those mobs on top to put the towers
gentle finch
event still has a while so you can farm the LMD and stuff and then maybe your ops will be better
and more stable auto
balmy halo
Laggy asf since i let those mobs on top to put the towers
just spawncamp everything so they dont put towers 👍 gladiia is my lag manager for this stage
last mist
just spawncamp everything so they dont put towers 👍 gladiia is my lag manager ...
But i do penance solo on top 
sullen granite
The boss murdered Fia and Nar
balmy halo
add another healer maybe. the boss really doesnt hit that hard
try placing spot up front so that he can use his skill to heal
scarlet fulcrum
Just kill the clone, if medal do with support first for qol
balmy halo
perhaps u would want something more like this to utilize fia having another dps up top might be better so that u wont be overwhelmed there
sullen granite
perhaps u would want something more like this to utilize fia having another dps ...
Do more than just guys that plant flags spawn up there? I've had no issues with top at all
balmy halo
Do more than just guys that plant flags spawn up there? I've had no issues with ...
its just those guys i think, if u dont have problems then thats great
last mist
How many crystal do you guys think would be enough?
last mist
i only have 30 40 20 on their respective stages 7 8 9
weak gazelle
mine still 38 for component
didnt change since 6 months ago
sinful geyser
How many crystal do you guys think would be enough?
farming crystal in event? isn't it still more efficient with R8-11
balmy halo
Do more than just guys that plant flags spawn up there? I've had no issues with ...
borrow chalter, place her like this so she can also help with the waves. place fia on lancet 2 tile (the yellow robot)
have mlynar kill phase 1 and let chalter do the work for phase 2. the stage will be super easy
last mist
farming crystal in event? isn't it still more efficient with R8-11
Im still on chap 7
latent monolith
How many crystal do you guys think would be enough?
I wouldn't recommend farming much of it unless you're absolutely swimming in keton/maganese
Like maybe 15-20 then
It's significantly less efficient than the story stage
balmy halo
you would have enough time to activate mlynar skill for a second time as well btw so it should be very very very easy for u to clear if u do borrow chalter
weak gazelle
still efficient from event map
cause you get event currency too
latent monolith
Yeah but just farm mango/keton and farm crystalline components during dead weeks
sinful geyser
well, it's opportunity cost since you get event currency from manganese ore/aketon too
yup
last mist
But im not aiming for efficiency cause dont think ill be reaching r8-11 anytome soon
Better have some for some stuffs that would need that so i wont need to use green certs for it
latent monolith
Crystalline components have like no demand either
Just get like 15-20 if you want
sinful geyser
yea, maybe just stock up a bit then
I looked at stages other than R8-11 and they are all terribad, haha
weak gazelle
my advice is make a planner first
so you know which mat you need to farm and how much you need it
but i forgot which site provide that planner
last mist
Krooster?
weak gazelle
ah yeah krooster
last mist
I just look on some wiki stuffs on what ops use what stuffs
sullen granite
its just those guys i think, if u dont have problems then thats great
So, good news, I think the only reason I've failed the stage this time is that I failed to realize the top Ya is the real one
latent monolith
But im not aiming for efficiency cause dont think ill be reaching r8-11 anytome...
The event stage is actually horrible btw it's like 0.86 efficiency
scarlet fulcrum
Like i said just kill the clone if u farming
latent monolith
The stage in chapter 5 is around 0.88
SV-8 permanent or smth is around 0.89
R8-11 is significantly better though
scarlet fulcrum
Boss will lose 35% hp when u kill the clone. So faster kill
sullen granite
I think I could've killed the boss and won the stage if I realized in time that the top one was real
scarlet fulcrum
Only matter when u do medal
last mist
Thank god ex-wb-8 has no medal like that i could just bruteforce throught clone
tidal sedge
Medal on ex 4
sly drift
tidal sedge
<:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
well this is her s2 suprise when u see it or something?
sly drift
sly drift
well this is her s2 suprise when u see it or something?
Suprise of what
How much full stack def cement has again?
foggy grove
cement is over 4k
halcyon flower
what was my counterplay here? every op I placed was one-shot from across the map and nobody stuck more than one second
it's the most shut out I've ever felt and it seemed like I was missing something
cyan gorge
The way to do this map is spawn kill boss asap
otherwise you need to have strong enough healing or NG to survive the mobs while also baiting the boss's global range attacks
True damage is the way to kill him, otherwise Pozy/Chalter/Fartooth (with relics) solos
sly drift
Regular squad cant survive playwright
It's either you spawnkill or have very sustained ops with decent healer
halcyon flower
True damage is the way to kill him, otherwise Pozy/Chalter/Fartooth (with relics...
ah I tried to spawn kill with pozy but she only did about a third
sly drift
ah I tried to spawn kill with pozy but she only did about a third
Then try again on the other side
sullen granite
Alright, this has happened. Mousse is to the left of Nar, it's kinda hard to see with all the enemies there. Anyway, any suggestions for what I should do now that I've hit phase 2?
flat sapphire
Alright, this has happened. Mousse is to the left of Nar, it's kinda hard to see...
She would actually switch with the one on the top and u have to kill there
sly drift
Alright, this has happened. Mousse is to the left of Nar, it's kinda hard to see...
Try kill boss on spawn using mlynar and whatever you have. Retreat him and place it on ur current Mlynar position (or below kaltsit) for 2nd round and mob killer
Probably works idk
sullen granite
She would actually switch with the one on the top and u have to kill there
Yeah, I'm asking if there's still a way for me to kill the top one
lofty thicket
You could point mlynar upwards
sullen granite
I'll try that next attempt
sullen granite
You could point mlynar upwards
Well, Nar was able to hit the real Ya with his s3, but didn't kill, so facing him up isn't the solution
flat sapphire
who's under kal?
sullen granite
Lapp
flat sapphire
s2 fia right?
maybe it's better to put her up top facing bottom so she could hit p2 as well
u can just place hibi beside her also facing bottom so she could heal mly
and lapp
scarlet ledge
hello al
full finch
civic nest
ye i quit on schizo server for now
wtf why did leite disappear
scarlet ledge
ill back 2 weeks
civic nest
leite angry lmao
sullen granite
maybe it's better to put her up top facing bottom so she could hit p2 as well
If I put Fia up there, the main lane gets overwhelmed
flat sapphire
leite was gone
civic nest
true tho
sullen granite
This is currently what I'm running
sullen granite
sullen granite
Yes
civic nest
the mats got this stage is mid as hell tho
but sure
should be easy i belive
similar to my friends acc
sullen granite
It has not been easy 
latent monolith
Yeah the boss stage is quite inefficient, you can consider not autoing it for now
scarlet ledge
This is currently what I'm running
ngl e2 ur kal
sullen granite
Either the main lane gets overwhelmed by the horde, or the real Ya makes it through top lane
Off to go farm IS3 
civic nest
huh i used my friend and kill then both with mlynar
he did use suzu to slow the top one but only for a bit
flat sapphire
maybe not m3?
civic nest
oh true
balmy halo
wait u still havent cleared wb 9? or are u trying to auto
sullen granite
Well I took a break for a bit so it's not like I've been at it for 5 hours but yes
I'm just going to go borrow a friend chalter. My roster is not able to do this, I don't think
flat sapphire
yeh that's an easier way to do it
civic nest
u can but you’re prob gonna need a good plan
which i don’t have your acc or the brain power rn
flat sapphire
my units are too built, can't test
somber falcon
Can't you kill p1 with monster
Deal with p2 with click and may and finish off with mlynar after swap?
flat sapphire
<:PtiloThonk:596474482181406730>
Can't you kill p1 with monster
Deal with p2 wi...
e1 kal?
civic nest
e1 kal
sullen granite
What is this swap you speak of?
flat sapphire
What is this swap you speak of?
when boss moves top
sullen granite
Oh that
full finch
E1 kal is pretty strong
flat sapphire
yeh fair enough
full finch
E1 50 mon3tr has 1k atk
civic nest
dumb in which sense
tidal sedge
Anni 17 Positioning pls?
civic nest
bro got the afk pack
tidal sedge
Idk how to kill those big ass ronot
full finch
not afk able with that
tidal sedge
Robot
full finch
just surtr
tidal sedge
The staying robot in the side
scarlet ledge
side?
latent monolith
Just drop like passenger there
scarlet ledge
to side
tidal sedge
No I never try anni 17 however when I try dorothy lab they're too tough to defeat
scarlet ledge
⛏️
tidal sedge
I don't even finish dorothy lab because of them
scarlet ledge
bottom lane?
tidal sedge
Just drop like passenger there
On what tile
scarlet ledge
bottom lane can be solo with mudrock
i use astesia and medic kek
latent monolith
Mud can't solo it
civic nest
mud can tho
tidal sedge
My mud isn't m3
civic nest
unless u talking abt the final robot
civic nest
i don’t think she dies to anything else
tidal sedge
ur ifrit is e1
I can e2 her
scarlet ledge
nah dont
somber falcon
Ye
civic nest
but muh afk eyja s2
somber falcon
And just redeploy again for bot
tidal sedge
So eyja s3 and not s2?
somber falcon
Vigil usage
Pro 🛐
scarlet ledge
Vigil usage
Pro 🛐
smh ignoring puzzle
civic nest
smh ignoring puzzle
he’s dead
gleaming lodge
Vi🤮il
scarlet ledge
wtf squid
tidal sedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669489344658014208/1130484045730562088/...
On what tile should I put passenger
scarlet ledge
vigil hold enemy on bottom and top going to mid
tidal sedge
I don't build 🚺 except they're meta
scarlet ledge
It's on you for using 🤮 tier units
wtfff
gleaming lodge
Doesn't matter how much you claim to have made them work 
scarlet ledge
oh ye u pot 6 firewhistle?
scarlet ledge
wtff
gleaming lodge
I ain't pulling
scarlet ledge
dies
gleaming lodge
I'm broke
scarlet ledge
tidal sedge
Also when ex stages come
gleaming lodge
And saving for Quibae
gleaming lodge
Because my roster is really starting to get outdated 
tidal sedge
Imagine defender that's whole kit around reflective damage
Pair that with those goddamn eggs
scarlet ledge
sullen granite
<:PtiloThonk:596474482181406730>
Can't you kill p1 with monster
Deal with p2 wi...
I'm not sure where I'd place people for this to work
gleaming lodge
Imagine defender that's whole kit around reflective damage
:Penansive:
tidal sedge
All these anni 17 afk videos i saw include op that I don't have
Shining, Hoshiguma, etc
I have shining but
Not raised
foggy grove
just don't afk
tidal sedge
Wtf I want to play apex while grinding orundum
gleaming lodge
And without skip tickets it's auto-deploy anyway
civic nest
literally
tidal sedge
bro where’s your skip ticket
I never really did daily
Since the event is up i just play to clear event stages and then quit
Also that's my first login in like 2 months
somber falcon
I'm not sure where I'd place people for this to work
Wdym
Block ya with monster while p1 and let your ranged ops deal with her after revive
Just put mlynar facing middle lane
civic nest
💀
gleaming lodge
You might want to stop playing the game then ?
tidal sedge
No
gleaming lodge
Playing gachas "not seriously" causes more malding than anything imo
tidal sedge
I love arknights
civic nest
but u don’t play it
gleaming lodge
Well, it's not like playing seriously is any better
civic nest
huh
tidal sedge
I have 15 other games to do
tidal sedge
Arknights ez to get resources so I can skip
flat sapphire
i play arknights seriously
so srs u have 4 accnts
civic nest
how is a normal human able to play 15 games at a time
scarlet ledge
3 acc, jp inactive
tidal sedge
how is a normal human able to play 15 games at a time
I got gambling addiction
tidal sedge
sullen granite
Wdym
Block ya with monster while p1 and let your ranged ops deal with her after ...
My Nar already can't handle p2 from the middle lane, but maybe I can put another ranged op to fight phase 2?
tidal sedge
bro how long have u not touch grass
how long u didnt touch rock?
tidal sedge
lol
somber falcon
My Nar already can't handle p2 from the middle lane, but maybe I can put another...
Who's nar
Idk any ops with that name
tidal sedge
Who's nar
Idk any ops with that name
Mylnar I think
sullen granite
Who's nar
Idk any ops with that name
That's just what I call Mylnar
sullen granite
What's m3? Been wondering that for a while
civic nest
masteries 3
full finch
skill rank 10
tidal sedge
skill mastery
sullen granite
Oh, in that case, negative
full finch
civic pollen
you didn't upgrade any skill?
sullen granite
sullen granite
you didn't upgrade any skill?
To skill rank 7
Mylnar's, that is
So I assume skill rank 10 will be crucial here
sly drift
turbid badge
which ine is that
Oh brih
isnt that good on her?
her summons dont have -stats
and free reduced redeployment time
smhsmh
civic pollen
is there an easy way to beat last level, especially the boss in is2? I always lost to him on final, any suggestions for support unit that can kill him?
turbid badge
is there an easy way to beat last level, especially the boss in is2? I always lo...
Yes
do u have texas
somber falcon
@sullen granite Rough concept
Just adjust since your dmg is lower
Like adding medic(s) or debuffing ya on mid with ely
civic pollen
do u have texas
I don't
turbid badge
is there an easy way to beat last level, especially the boss in is2? I always lo...
ahh
civic pollen
I can use support unit if needed
turbid badge
team?
civic pollen
wdym team?
sullen granite
<@247483654429868033> Rough concept
Just adjust since your dmg is lower
Like add...
I'll try this in the morning, thanks
civic pollen
like ur squad
this?
turbid badge
ohh
inland lily
pozy is good against boss too
turbid badge
she has dodge ignore
so she can shred phantom
when he spwns
just want good relics
Im assuming this is first boss
civic pollen
just borrow ling
I don't know what is this
civic pollen
Borrow pozymeyoka
nor this
civic pollen
oo
inland lily
I don't know what is this
Ling is a 6* limited summoner
she can pretty much solo carry you through is2
if you're looking specifcally for a phantom killer pozy is better in that regard
but as a borrow I'd prefer ling
turbid badge
Yeah even last stage but pozys easier to use for boss stage cuz u just tap her skill a few times and win with good relics
kal should carry is2 start tbh
solid dew
is there an easy way to beat last level, especially the boss in is2? I always lo...
thorns and pozy make the whole of IS2 fairly easy
civic pollen
kal should carry is2 start tbh
for some reason the game really hate giving me any medic
solid dew
i used to suck too until i used pozy that one time
civic pollen
like half of my run I didn't get any medic,or 1 at most
scarlet ledge
is2 is jsut brainded
scarlet ledge
u can win it if u get the map knowledge everytime
is3 is much punishing
some maps is dead end at high diff
turbid badge
is3 is much punishing
At higher diff that is💀
solid dew
this is probably why i sucked until like a month ago
yea ngl im afraid to start IS3
ill just probably stick to D7 to get trim idk
scarlet ledge
is3 d0 is brainded
turbid badge
some maps is dead end at high diff
Who invented OOO and water fire 💀
scarlet ledge
same for d7
turbid badge
gleaming lodge
some maps is dead end at high diff
Only two or three honestly
And mostly on f5
civic pollen
i hate that role dice thing that nerf my operator on is3 so I'd be playing is2 first
gleaming lodge
Well, d15 isn't a guaranteed win
gleaming lodge
I think that's one way to put it
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
Whereas d7 or below is certainly "if you lost it's on you" moment
scarlet ledge
im so bored of is2
turbid badge
Hes decent until midgame where he just bait s1 dogi
scarlet ledge
i play is2 on 4 acc
solid dew
i hate that role dice thing that nerf my operator on is3 so I'd be playing is2 f...
IS2 is imo better at introducing you to the rougelike, instead of "heres 1000 different mechanics have fun"
keys, light, die all the other shit that happenes at floors above 3
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
im so bored of is2
Same lmao
I got the specs tokens, that's all that matters
scarlet ledge
my en main acc is 155
solid dew
i play is2 on 4 acc
dedication LMAO
gleaming lodge
Hold on let me call nasa
gleaming lodge
I need some good telescopes to find who asked
scarlet ledge
i pulled
gleaming lodge
Bro is cosplaying SG 💀
scarlet ledge
i have 40+ e0 6★
turbid badge
Leitegun
turbid badge
Wtf e2 6 stars
turbid badge
better be for base😡
gleaming lodge
Did you only E2 six 6* but chose Vi🤮il as one of them ?!
gleaming lodge
Si🤮ge
gleaming lodge
You have an issue with trash vanguards mate
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
???
scarlet ledge
i always use her
turbid badge
I thoughrt squid loved siege
gleaming lodge
"insane(ly bad)"
scarlet ledge
wtfff
scarlet ledge
@turbid badge imma finish my cn is3
gleaming lodge
I literally never said anything good about her
(because there is nothing good to say)
scarlet ledge
its 158/170
turbid badge
i guess squid only love de(fenders)
scarlet ledge
i play on d7 for grind
my last run is good
walmart fn and ishar mla
so much exp
gleaming lodge
Imagine a vg whose best skull is DP gen gamma
gleaming lodge
i guess squid only love de(fenders)
No
I don't only love defenders
Well, a good thing about Siege is she has cool skins
gleaming lodge
<@196243364864065537> firewhistle s1 good?
No
Raise S2
S1 is garbage
8 SP
No charge
turbid badge
wtf
gleaming lodge
(Horn is 5 SP with 3 charges)
The skill could be good
But the numbers aren't there
So go S2 instead
And make sure you micro-manage her range so that she hits only specific tiles
civic nest
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
?
signal granite
waxen swan
Horn s1 supremacy
waxen swan
There always 4 ending
gleaming lodge
Huh
Are you all available for some tests ?
I would like to know the HP values of Surtr under S3
Once per second if possible
If that's too tedious, just tell me how it takes for her to die
(also is it affected by shelter ?)
livid delta
Viktor tells you s3 duration
livid delta
32.49s
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
I think Penance does fine but that's because my playstyle is cringe
And Blitz is needed as well
gleaming lodge
Yes it's mega cringe
scarlet ledge
gleaming lodge
Horn start is so much better it's not even funny
IS#2 brainrot lead me to open Blem quite a bit
Huh
You'll cry
sonic willow
Draft reserve start
scarlet ledge
gonna drain my cn sanity
gleaming lodge
That's massive
scarlet ledge
⚰️
gleaming lodge
17 DP cost though
sonic willow
💀
gleaming lodge
gonna drain my cn sanity
gleaming lodge
Oh my bad
I mixed it up
Wouldn't happen if someone stopped talking about all their different accounts
(you do know it's against TOS to have multiple accounts right ?)
scarlet ledge
Wouldn't happen if someone stopped talking about all their different accounts
acc brainrot
scarlet ledge
(you do know it's against TOS to have multiple accounts right ?)
and whaler with alt with be gone
gleaming lodge
Whales don't have alts ?
glass monolith
Saga carry WB-7 by being Saga
Ceobe carry WB-8 farm by spawnkilling cars
Now i need to make Lunacub farm WB-9 and i will have trio of hungry doggos
timid acorn
If that's too tedious, just tell me how it takes for her to die
Something I did a while ago. The first one describes Surtr's current HP value during S3 and the second one calculates the time it takes for her to die.
H is her maximum HP value not including the addtional 5k from S3, t is the time in seconds, R is the sum of external sources of HPS and DPS she receives and T is her talent in seconds.
Do note however that it may not be fully accurate as it assumes a continuous HP loss whereas in actuality she loses HP in small intervals. Same thing goes if you include external sources of healing or damage since those are usually based on attack intervals
gleaming lodge
Hum
Interesting
Well, I'm not malding with frames for now
Just wanted to have a cute graph
Does that take into account what happens after 60s ?
timid acorn
No, it didnt matter for me at the time so it keeps increasing the loss past 60s
gleaming lodge
Fair enough
timid acorn
You can just keep it as a constant loss from there on though
should be simple enough
gleaming lodge
I did that
With heaviside functions
And expressed as a %HP
Starting at 100% of course
timid acorn
yeah, that works, the flat HP value only matters if you include her being damaged or healed though even those could be converted
gleaming lodge
but tbh my graph doesn't show a lot lol
I don't really know what I wanted to achieve with this 
@ember warren should be happy with it at least
ember warren
If that's too tedious, just tell me how it takes for her to die
About 25 secs to hit 0 hp
And I don't think shelter works iirc
It's tru dmg
gleaming lodge
Yeah, and that doesn't include talent
ember warren
I think
ember warren
Oh shelter is only for phys/arts ?
I think so lemme check
timid acorn
Oh shelter is only for phys/arts ?
yes
ember warren
gleaming lodge
Oh that's sad
gleaming lodge
Oh yeah
The formula I used is :
f(t) = 100 - (1/6)t^2×H(60-t) - (-600 + 20t)×H(-60+t)
ember warren
did u see the formula kermit used
gleaming lodge
With H(t) the heaviside function
No I didn't
But that's an acceleration problem
So I'm happy with this
Except for that manual discontinuity fix
last mist
How many healers to sustain a s3 surtr?
full finch
3-5 iirc
ember warren
How many healers to sustain a s3 surtr? <:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
like 7?
maybe less now
gleaming lodge
8k HP, -20% per second
So that's 1600 HPS needed
ember warren
8k HP, -20% per second
So that's 1600 HPS needed
y=7916\left(1-\frac{x^{2}}{600}\right)
ember warren
for x<= 60 u set it to the multiplier
gleaming lodge
Is f(x) the HP loss speed ?
ember warren
which would be (0.2/60)*x
glass monolith
Sees integral - Internal scream
ember warren
Is f(x) the HP loss speed ?
yea
ember warren
yea integrals were far easier
lmao
and the integral of x/300 = x^2/600
thats how u get x^2/600
gleaming lodge
You can solve this by hand though ?
Why do you ask the computer to integrate a*x ?
ember warren
You can solve this by hand though ?
Why do you ask the computer to integrate a*x...
i forget
there might have been a reason
yea the integral is simple
gleaming lodge
And yeah you're using 0-1 instead of %
That's what confused me
ember warren
o yea
just swap 7916 out for 100
and u get percentage
[7915, 7913, 7910, 7906, 7902, 7897, 7891, 7884, 7876, 7867, 7857, 7846, 7835, 7823, 7810, 7796, 7781, 7765, 7748, 7730, 7712, 7693, 7673, 7652, 7630, 7607, 7583, 7558, 7532, 7506, 7479, 7451, 7422, 7392, 7361, 7329, 7296, 7263, 7229, 7194, 7158, 7121, 7083, 7044, 7004, 6964, 6923, 6881, 6838, 6794, 6749, 6703, 6656, 6609, 6561, 6512, 6462, 6411, 6359, 6306, 6252, 6197, 6142, 6086, 6029, 5971, 5912, 5852, 5791, 5729, 5667, 5604, 5540, 5475, 5409, 5342, 5274, 5205, 5136, 5066, 4995, 4923, 4850, 4776, 4701, 4625, 4548, 4471, 4393, 4314, 4234, 4153, 4071, 3988, 3904, 3820, 3735, 3649, 3562, 3474, 3385, 3295, 3204, 3113, 3021, 2928, 2834, 2739, 2643, 2546, 2448, 2349, 2250, 2150, 2049, 1947, 1844, 1740, 1635, 1529, 1423, 1316, 1208, 1099, 989, 878, 766, 653, 540, 426, 311, 195, 78, -40]
this would be surtrs health per tick
or it should be somewhat close
maybe I can modify somethings to get it fully right
it might be wrong tho
gleaming lodge
Per game tick ?
ember warren
yea
ember warren
Do you integrate with a 1/30 step or something ?
no integration
just have a health value decrease over increments
ember warren
time += 1
if(health <=0): immo -= 1
#Healthloss increases linearly from 0% to maxHealthLossTimeCap% over maxHealthLossTimeCap seconds and caps at maxHealthLossTimeCap%
healthLossMulti = healthLossModifier*(time if time < HealthLossTimeCap else HealthLossTimeCap)
health -= healthLossMulti*maxHealth if healthLossMulti*maxHealth >0 else -1
health = round(health)
healthList.append(health)
timeList.append(time)```so u just loop
and subtract health with a time ticker
getting the healthloss
gleaming lodge
[7915, 7913, 7910, 7906, 7902, 7897, 7891, 7884, 7876, 7867, 7857, 7846, 7835, 7...
That doesn't look like 30tics*25s before she hits 0 HP though
ember warren
That doesn't look like 30tics*25s before she hits 0 HP though
yea
thats why it might be bugged
it looks accurate for every sec tho
gleaming lodge
Oh
gleaming lodge
```while(health >= 0):
time += 1
if(health <=0): immo -= 1
#Healthlo...
Yeah alright
That makes sense
I wasn't planning to go that deep
ember warren
[7890, 7837, 7758, 7652, 7520, 7362, 7177, 6966, 6729, 6465, 6175, 5858, 5515, 5146, 4750, 4328, 3879, 3404, 2903, 2375, 1821, 1240, 633, 0, -660]
which should be this
actually the heaviside function isnt needed
tbh
lol
gleaming lodge
You might want to hit Zawa in siesta with it, he was interested in having a doc with the numbers for Surtr health
gleaming lodge
Realistically you aren't keeping her alive for this long yeah
But heaviside my beloved 
gleaming lodge
Almost as based as Dirac's peak
gleaming lodge
so y=7916(1-x^2/600)
Valid up to 60s yeah 👍
ember warren
will probs learn and forget all of this
gleaming lodge
Nah come on
ember warren
kek
I will spend a few months living and breathing it
then need to use it a few years later
and need to reread a bunch of material
gleaming lodge
Well
It doesn't matter
As long as you can get Surtr's health graph quickly enough, you have succeeded as a STEM fella imo
ember warren
Well
It doesn't matter
As long as you can get Surtr's health graph quickly enoug...
i couldnt lol just brute forced with code
gleaming lodge
But I digress
Do you know the values for block search cycles ?
I remember meow saying every 6 game ticks but I'm not sure
ember warren
Do you know the values for block search cycles ?
yes
every 3rd frame
mechanics sheet
gleaming lodge
Hum
Is that every search cycle ?
iirc the documentation on blocking is a bit lacking
ember warren
iirc the documentation on blocking is a bit lacking
wym for blocking
lapis hornet
I've been told movement is calced every frame
gleaming lodge
That's targeting search cycle
lapis hornet
honestly not a lot code monkeys hacking the game to find out stuff like that nowadays
lapis hornet
not that I would ever condone such actions of course moderators that's evil ppl shouldn't do it
gleaming lodge
Rounding moment
gleaming lodge
honestly not a lot code monkeys hacking the game to find out stuff like that now...
You're allowed to look at the code in your phone
Just not to yoink it and make money with it
gleaming lodge
Could be that the game's rounding is not the same as Python's
ember warren
also dealing with small decimals in code is a headache in of itself
because I round the health
then you have to deal with floating point precision
gleaming lodge
ember warren
I avoid decimals where possible
and I should probrably use the decimal class
for actual precision
guh
elder flume
honestly not a lot code monkeys hacking the game to find out stuff like that now...
Meanwhile nga having code to every explaination
ember warren
Meanwhile nga having code to every explaination
man if I could read chinese
I could sift thru the piles of trash for good posts
elder flume
Go through every post like me 
ember warren
Go through every post like me <:TexasBlob:618142339806003200>
smh
how does AK deal with floating point
do they just not give a fuck
ember warren
ye
lofty thicket
Code full of floors
ember warren
Code full of floors
they floor it all?
lofty thicket
No idea but in my head it's like that
Well, at least they seem to floor every displayed value
scarlet fulcrum
sus medic
scarlet fulcrum
Yeah pretty sus
scarlet fulcrum
not quite
gleaming lodge
Anyway
Thanks for giving me a reminder of the past
Old #strategy, rip in piece
I miss you every day 
scarlet fulcrum
the condition ex-4 kinda easy, inb4 they spam that mobs
latent monolith
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966247590989529128/1136269657930739812/...
no folinic even
cosmic raft
No medic choice was drop, how to beat the big bear with that ?
scarlet fulcrum
Cope with healing defender and Myrtle at right side, helidrop left lane. Dont point thorns/ifrit (more like just chalter it) at bsl
This will not survive in chaceck and crown tho
tidal sedge
Anyway
Thanks for giving me a reminder of the past
Old <#669489344658014208>, ri...
Strat channel crashed?
scarlet fulcrum
Just think like fb but ako
celest solstice
such a chore, I know I beaten this with mlynar or something but still I wanna auto it-
current line up 
everything seems so fast after beating the boss clone at the bottom twice
celest solstice
aint it already s2
celest solstice
no, mountain can survive top alone
if needed be Ill place another vanguard or defender there
scarlet fulcrum
No its not about that
celest solstice
so Im able to kill both bosses, sounds good right? but these things makes the enemies so annoying, even if I place amiya facing up
Ill place firewatch instead and spam her skill
those rods should count as enemies right?
scarlet fulcrum
Yeah that is main gimmick for this event imo, most ppl didnt realize it
Unga bunga moment
celest solstice
lol
bold lance
It's not a gimmick if you don't let rods spawn
scarlet fulcrum
"Unga bunga"
bold lance
If the mechanic is "places rod on the first high ground it passes" it's not Unga Bunga to just not let them pass any
scarlet fulcrum
High ground, climb, hidden rod en wont bother to read
Just be clear u ignore stages mechanic with stacked ops
native stone
@warped smelt
gleaming lodge
Strat channel crashed?
No no
I'm just a bit tired of being a #map-help slave
And would rather talk about Surtr's HP value, considering frame data and floating point precision (as mentioned above)
Which is what #strategy used to be in 2020/2021
balmy halo
could do something simple as have a healer tank the runners up top and have a sniper kill the runners.
celest solstice
ye firewatch did the trick, ty
scarlet fulcrum
indeed, that one of to prevent that, because u aware the mechanic
I just replying to ppl who replying "its not gimmick if u dont let it spawn" When u did that because aware of stage mechanic
Dont tell me just copy pasta enjoyer
lucid mirage
Ngl, those things are actually useful for you if you can handle it.
Faster autos are great.
scarlet fulcrum
that was unga bunga category
glass monolith
Spawnkill Fred in CC10 to make stage last longer because wave 2 start now tied up to fucking invisible drone 
gentle finch
unga
brisk latch
did you know that reed alter's cinder debuff actually decreases stainless's turret atk damage?
glass monolith
Wait. Aren't turret cast skill based on Stainless current ATK?
Also it reminds me. IW rerun soon and fucking bird enemy cast invisibility on stainless turrets
indigo sentinel
How do I deal with the stupid rocks on the bottom row of the annihilation research base hangar?
The gundams I can kill just fine but the rocks just refuse to die and melt my Thorns+medic 
cyan gorge
Mudrock or Kal solos bottom
or have Ifrit/Passenger be able to reach mid and occasionally help bottom
glass monolith
I just left there NTR S1 with Medic and left till 390
Ballz has annoying AF stats:
Arts damage
1000 def
50% damage reduction if not blocked
brisk latch
Also it reminds me. IW rerun soon and fucking bird enemy cast invisibility on st...
likely
maybe the 100 atk on the turrets is just a dummy stat
grand ginkgo
For anni 3, do i pick steward as last pick? im sort of lacking damage for 340-350 waves on one of the sides
cosmic thicket
how do you deal with the bombtails?
grand ginkgo
the drones with nukes? platinum kills some from range, others i just tank
cosmic thicket
oh
ig steward is fine as another dps unit
maybe you want to swap cutter to s2 because she deals crazy multipliers to the drones
grand ginkgo
not 1st clear
gleaming lodge
I mean first clear as "first time clearing 400 kills"
grand ginkgo
yeah i get very much smashed on one of the sides as soon as fewer beefier guys come out, unfortunate
grand ginkgo
I mean first clear as "first time clearing 400 kills"
yes i know what 1st clear is
gleaming lodge
Which you should do asap, even if you can't setup an auto
gleaming lodge
Do you not use a pusher (like Shaw) on the bottom lane ?
Oh you want a full auto ?
Not sure if you can honestly
Well, actually, now that you don't need a stable auto anymore, it should be fine
grand ginkgo
yeah i just want a clear without a borrow and struggling a bit
will fuck around with placements i guess
gleaming lodge
I repeat my question
How do you deal with bottom lane ?
No pusher ?
Do you have Cutter "solo" it ?
gentle finch
Well, actually, now that you don't need a *stable* auto anymore, it should be fi...
yeah in the past the auto had to be 👌
grand ginkgo
Do you have Cutter "solo" it ?
in my current attempts it was just platinum there + nearl
gleaming lodge
That sounds very weak
I'm not surprised your bottom lane gets overrun
If you want to get a clear, you shouldn't struggle before wave 350
grand ginkgo
in my current attempts it was just platinum there + nearl
and lapp nearby
gleaming lodge
What is your placement ?
glass monolith
Where is something to heal top
gleaming lodge
Swap Nearl and Lapp, facing up
glass monolith
Where is something viable to heal top
gleaming lodge
That should make lapp cancel all crushers as well
surreal star
and there’s turrets
gleaming lodge
Yeah if you can put a medic like Hibiscus on F3 that would be good
grand ginkgo
top side looks like it could die
with timed spot heals its okay but yeah
i have issues with placing a second healer
and the one that dies is usually lapp actually
gleaming lodge
That is not very surprising, you have 0 damage
grand ginkgo
well yeh
in borrow there was a thorns there
even though i didnt have platinum, thorns obv carried very hard
cursive mango
is lin useful at all?
cyan gorge
She’s great at mob clearing
but her downtime can be long especially if you aren’t using her to bait attacks
cursive mango
downtime reduce if you use something like plito?
cyan gorge
Her later module alleviates that somewhat
cyan gorge
Ptilo helps some, but as I said she needs to be on the receiving end of a lot of chip damage to have peak effectiveness
grand ginkgo
well yeh
in borrow there was a thorns there
even though i didnt have platinum, t...
yeah cutter and lapp are too squish
cursive mango
Ptilo helps some, but as I said she needs to be on the receiving end of a lot of...
tbh with my bad placements I see this happening so thats good
grand ginkgo
yeah cutter and lapp are too squish
tried this and got destroyed all the same, lapp died and instead of losing bot mid first i lost bot first
cursive mango
tried this and got destroyed all the same, lapp died and instead of losing bot m...
not borrowing an ifrit?
grand ginkgo
not a first clear, not borrowing
lucid mirage
So who's healing courier?
glass monolith
He probably not aware about those ballistas
grand ginkgo
kroos and reed swapped places whoops
since arbalest on courier lane arrives very late i usually have like 150 dp and the point he's in any danged of death so i tried to replace him with like cuora
not like it mattered
lucid mirage
I'd swap cutter and nearl too. Lapp needs more healing to tank the drones and ballistas at the same time.
grand ginkgo
i dont think it would've mattered she got evaporated as soon as 5 big drones came
ill try more later this week if i maybe e2 someone or smth
cursive mango
mmmm tbh when I cleared with Reed I had her in your plats position
lucid mirage
E1 clear of anni 3.
lofty thicket
is that using the gitano cheese
lucid mirage
Should be
grand ginkgo
mmmm tbh when I cleared with Reed I had her in your plats position
ill swap around units a bunch later on
but anni is the single most tiring piece of content in AK ive seen so far so im kinda done after trying 4 times 
lucid mirage
Still less draining than an IS marathon or one of the final H-stages.
grand ginkgo
IS you can stop whenever at least, stages are shorter
in is2 anyway
lucid mirage
Just beat it once and you can skip the anni.
Back in my day we had to run our autos all the way, and if it wasn't a stable clear, that's wasted San.
grand ginkgo
"just beat it" please man
grand ginkgo
2 because 3 felt very weak on important waves, will try 3 again if I put her on bottom
no masteries, i e2d her literally today
and i dont have the funny building at all
cursive mango
reed S3 killed literally every big boy at the end of the anni through chain explosions was very cool
grand ginkgo
ill try it later
cursive mango
just level 7, no mastery
lucid mirage
Her talent weakens the drones too
grand ginkgo
she prob has much easier time with s3 on bottom because of 1 extra tile of reach
cursive mango
if you can reach 350 without any casualisties, reed S3 should kill the red crasher, and only the drones to worry about, thats what I'm hoping for
grand ginkgo
the only reason this is torture is because i have to sit and place units 1 by 1 for half the anni length, before 350 its pissez other than that
cursive mango
if you have any space, you could put a fast redeploy to tank the bomby womies
cursive mango
reed theoritically should save lap via doing damage to the drone in that isntance
This is my placement, though if you ignore ifrit, you’d probably want more dps in the middle section somehow
but your lappy probably has that covered if reed can heal lappy enough when the time comes
gentle finch
lol
ember warren
https://vxtwitter.com/junsx43us1/status/1686697017509285889?s=46&t=sGB-hjDLCTSI1...
how does this happen
wtf
ember warren
https://vxtwitter.com/junsx43us1/status/1686697017509285889?s=46&t=sGB-hjDLCTSI1...
oooooh
I see they move so fast they move into the ranged tile
b4 checking for block
ember warren
pretty sure that certain blocks are designated as unpassable
gleaming lodge
Now I'm guessing they just move fast enough that 2 frames is enough to clip
gleaming lodge
But that's not a lot of frames to clip this much
ember warren
But that's not a lot of frames to clip *this much*
they will still move after getting stuck
its like how they can get stuck in the bounded off melee tiles
im guessing its like that and they try to get back on track
which moves them in a weirder direction still
ember warren
But that's not a lot of frames to clip *this much*
so basically once they clip in the block itself is a valid postion
so I think it tries to find a valid position
and somehow pushes onto the block
but since the block is valid they will try to pathfind to their exit
but since that isnt possible they just stand there
and im guessing u can shift the pole guys onto the block
so they most likely act as the bounded melee boxes youve seen before
ember warren
the difference being that the ranged block is a valid spot for enemies
so they dont try to clip out
gleaming lodge
Do you remember DM event ?
ember warren
yea
gleaming lodge
You could get the lancers to get blocked in the back of an operator by giving them enough speed
ember warren
You could get the lancers to get blocked in the back of an operator by giving th...
yes iirc
animation is 30 fps
gleaming lodge
Though that could work with simply enough speed
ember warren
while game ticks are 15 fps
gleaming lodge
I would need the calcs though
Ultimately I'm trying to lift the ambiguity on Blem S2 targeting
But since framerate isn't perfect, that's not going to happen
ember warren
Ultimately I'm trying to lift the ambiguity on Blem S2 targeting
isnt it just lock on?
is it immediate after skill
or is there cast time
gleaming lodge
Sorry, that wasn't clear
ember warren
have u tested shifting enemies thru blem
gleaming lodge
You know how blocked position works right ?
ember warren
yea
gleaming lodge
The 2nd enemy to get blocked isn't on the exact same spot, even if they have the same pathing (e.g. anni2 Cardi strat)
ember warren
yea
gleaming lodge
So what happens is, if frame skips happen at the wrong time, the first or the second enemy gets blocked a bit deeper into Blem
ember warren
wut
gleaming lodge
And since her S2 targeting is tied to distance to the blue box, but blocking after skill is based on distance to center of the tile
Which can be very inconsistent
(I noticed this when malding CC#4)
ember warren
And since her S2 targeting is tied to distance to the blue box, but blocking aft...
center of her own tile?
so she atks enemies closest to her?
ember warren
oh u mean she refreshes her targeting
gleaming lodge
But now it's fixed
ember warren
and it messes up ur targeting