strategy

[edgy stag]

yea well uh mlynar is all my damage so

lets see if texalter s2 can scratch the boss cause s3 wasnt doing shit

[craggy turret]

Ok done, thank you all

[sly drift]

Which strat did you use

[craggy turret]

Ifrit bbq

[thorny parrot]

which fighter is better for is? beehunter or jackie

[sonic willow]

mlynar kills the boss

[sly drift]

None?

[sonic willow]

just need to stall for a bit

[craggy turret]

Neither

[sly drift]

Mountain is the only decent brawler

[cursive wedge]

mountain yurr

[edgy stag]

how do you stall him? he does so much damage

[sly drift]

Stall what

[sonic willow]

on skill defenders can take it

[edgy stag]

ix-ex-8 dog boss

i can try hoshi s3 instead of s2?

[sly drift]

Maybe don't stall. No one can hold wolf second phase

[scarlet ledge]

simple will do my ex stages

[sly drift]

Use suzuran or something

[edgy stag]

yea lemme just grab my suzuran rq

[sonic willow]

yes give me e2 90 meta team

[scarlet ledge]

tf

[sly drift]

If you have eunectes at max. I think you can solo it

[edgy stag]

got any more 6 star ops i dont have to list

[vernal lion]

[sly drift]

Imo the most effective is suzuran

[sonic willow]

wait, you have shamare s2m3

[sly drift]

Shamare works too

[edgy stag]

yea and he killed through it lol

[sly drift]

At this point just play skadi route

[sonic willow]

I have a very good feeling that giganian can afk hold the wolf but maybe not

I mean, giganian can take 2700 x 3 attacks from steam knight

[sly drift]

Place her on safe tile lol

[edgy stag]

what

did you think i meant he killed shamare? lmfao

[sly drift]

She doesn't. She will hold only the first or second attack and then die just like hoshi

[sonic willow]

e2 90 mod3 nian?

that bitch has like 1.3k def or something offskill

[sly drift]

With her whole duration of S3 maybe

She can

[edgy stag]

what is it that gives nian so much defense by the way?

[sonic willow]

she gets 21% def from module

[sly drift]

Her raw strength + module is absolute rock

[edgy stag]

oh, that explains why it wasnt obvious from looking at her kit

[sly drift]

And she has boost in HP too iirc

[rose patrol]

they finally changed the CC bgm back to original ones
ty my god about damn time.

[edgy stag]

ecko has a guide with just mlynar, ill see what he does

er not ecko, leon

reading is hard

[sonic willow]

this is nian defense offskill

[edgy stag]

the definition of a brick

[sly drift]

That stage is possible to clear only with 2-3 ops
But why would we watch guide. That's so lame

[hardy fog]

do i really need e2 characters for clearing ex stages in is?

[edgy stag]

id rather not run out of drill plans and start burning sanity

or more realistically just waiting until tomorrow (very fun)

[sly drift]

Yea

[hardy fog]

i deadass thought that texalter is enough to clear is-ex stages (I'm clearly wrong af)

welp i guess i can only get the medal after rerun maybe

[sonic willow]

what exactly does blood debt do again

[hardy fog]

buff enemy

make hitman invisible

[edgy stag]

wait what

the dog isnt supposed to debuff in p2?

[hardy fog]

not annoying tbh, until game starts spamming the spawn and obliterating my defenders like bread and butter

[sonic willow]

it has debuff aura

1.5 tile radius aspd debuff

[edgy stag]

OH ok i see what i did wrong then

this should be easy then

[hardy fog]

which my e1 ops can't

[sonic willow]

this is how much the wolf boss does to nian offskill pretty easy to heal IMO

[sly drift]

Good thing if you don't run into dog with blood debt rage

The blood debt is always the issue

[rose patrol]

i thought penance reflect is much better than hoshi
its doing little dmg on the snipers tho

[sonic willow]

blood debt doesn't boost the wolf itself

[sly drift]

Oh really. My bad

[vernal lion]

@elder flume does the pulling bug still exist for Cliffheart when she's pulling unmovable target?

[elder flume]

which pull bug

if u mean 5s pull timer then yea it exists for all

[elder flume]

now add windup bug to get longer sp loss

[edgy stag]

now to find someone who has nian

[sonic willow]

if you get a good hoshi borrow it should be fine

[edgy stag]

i wasnt aware non friends could have modules

[foggy grove]

yeah they can

only mastery is restricted

[tidal sedge]

And I don’t think my friend have s2 hoshi for me to borrow.

Mostly s3 Hoshi level 2 mod

[vernal lion]

oh come on man, banned tiles? for real?

[edgy stag]

no fun allowed

[sonic willow]

based malady

[glass monolith]

Want fun? Today PO0 daily

[tidal sedge]

More like wanna be screwed play Pinch out?

[glass monolith]

Vanguard HP -95%
Vanguard DP Cost Quintuple
Refund no of operator deploy cost on retreat```

[gentle finch]

j

[foggy grove]

pro

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye what is ex 8 condi?

[foggy grove]

i'll procrastinate and do my cm tomorrow

fewer civi

[scarlet ledge]

oh

much early blood debt then

[sonic willow]

Oh right mousse is Really nice for stalling bosses

[gleaming lodge]

Pretty stupid imp

wow full squad E2 4* so pro !

[sonic willow]

Does less civil matter feels like only boosted stat matters

[storm current]

Eh kind of

Each civilian slowly reduce blood debt

[foggy grove]

less stellar roster kinda hate assasin

less civi faster assasin

[scarlet ledge]

hi loli

[storm current]

Meaning if you protect the civilian, normal difficulty only spawn 1 hitman

Where as CM spawn 2

[sonic willow]

those blood debt snipers hate them

[glass monolith]

"Find player who stuck on IS-7"

[storm current]

EX 3 is really annoying too

[sonic willow]

I think I died to EX3

my brain says just surtr texas, but then sniper walks through them

[foggy grove]

my saria surprisingly tanking cleaner on ex 3

[tidal sedge]

not that annoying

but it is not comfy either

took me 5 times to clear

[foggy grove]

surtr 0 block on cm

ofc they walk pass

[sonic willow]

imagine reading CM condition

rip

[vernal lion]

[scarlet ledge]

@foggy grove this is scuffed

💀

[cosmic dagger]

Sounds degenerate but I would spend 6/7 hope for pozy instead of getting free exu

[tidal sedge]

well I dont want to see any pot of Exu I am just so done with it

[sonic willow]

I mean, exu doesn't do much right

[tidal sedge]

If she spook too many times in JO

[vernal lion]

ofc I have expected for this tho

[tidal sedge]

u could have just used Texas alter here

and problem solved

[vernal lion]

imagine specialist voucher

[sonic willow]

ash gamer move

[tidal sedge]

well at least it is not the egg enemies

[vernal lion]

wait, wrong Exu animation when being stunned

[tidal sedge]

ummm

[vernal lion]

this is animation bug

[tidal sedge]

it doesnt effect anything for sure

[vernal lion]

yea, no effect on performance, it's fine

[elder flume]

do animation bug on enemies instead

they look funnier that way

[dapper meadow]

about to start IS3. If i have a stacked operator roster w/ all the op/meta ops, is one choice better than the other?

[gentle finch]

people oriented

with expansion, mind over matter becomes pretty good and is better option but for now use people oriented @dapper meadow

[dapper meadow]

thanks. If you could choose any operators at start, what would you choose?

[unique plume]

heya guys, i recently got skalter and i havent made her shine as she should. whats the overall usage of her? s2 included
does the healing stack with her monster or is it more of a extension of her healing globally?

[storm current]

mind over matter i would say is "fun"

since a fuck ton of relics RNG

leader squad ismore forgiving

[sonic willow]

people oriented is op

[vernal lion]

👌

[unique plume]

i love people oriented

[glass monolith]

.....HMMMMM

Path of any reasonable floor 5 player or path of you know where

[hot dagger]

IS EX3 help how to stop blood ledger rising

once the assassin sniper comes out my ops die one by one

[glass monolith]

That's the neat part. YOU DONT

[hot dagger]

how to survive then

[glass monolith]

My game lost connection and i ca'nt look up map

[gentle finch]

I run horn usually

[glass monolith]

I know ass-assins will camp somewhat at top left, so friend support Tutter(what was this new 4* sniper name?)/e2 Silverash and beating them before they move might work. Also i think map is more caster biased

[foggy grove]

totter

[gentle finch]

For higher difficulties you can run gavialter

with expansion kroos is pretty solid

kroos alter

[sonic willow]

who do you have

[dapper meadow]

s1 or s2?

[hot dagger]

almost every 6* except gavialter and spalter

[dapper meadow]

and any good guides? Ill the ones on youtube ive seen so far are either just high floors, or 6 hours long and its hard to find where they start

[sonic willow]

just drop defender + surtr on it

[hot dagger]

on the assassin?

[sonic willow]

yes

[glass monolith]

Best IS guide is "Roll with it"

You can't guarantee shit, and there is bunch of broken stuff

[storm current]

"fuck around and find out"

the more you play

the more you memorize enemies pathing and strategy for the stage

[glass monolith]

IS2 - Donate into shop to unlock +7 aspd relic, win by turning every operator into Ceobe S2M3
IS3 - Stack complete bullshit and get away with it

[vernal lion]

Highmorb time

[glass monolith]

"Miss, it is no fly zone"

[tidal sedge]

sniperknight IS3

[dapper meadow]

Spalter a good choice for 4th operator? (texalteer/kroos/fang)

[gleaming lodge]

4th operator ?

[proud drift]

Why not just upgrade sexas

[dapper meadow]

i will, just figured someone to hold the line was good, since fang was it (minus texalter but retreat/deploy her)

[glass monolith]

Ahahahah my weedy phased reaper into rubble and it backdoored me

[cosmic dagger]

I know I'm very late but for future reference, weedy is the superior pick here

She just dunks all over the first two floors

[vernal lion]

no chest will be escaped from me

[inland barn]

if i'm a new player and had the choice of picking between thorns, surtr, and eyjafjalla when purchasing the rhodes island headhunting pack, who should i choose?

[odd elbow]

I'd suggest Thorns

[cosmic dagger]

Define new

[inland barn]

i could send a picture of the current leveled units i have

i started about like 2 days ago

[cosmic dagger]

Like no e2 yet? Or only one or two maybe?

If so thorns is really based for early maps

[dapper meadow]

yeah...first playthrough didnt go well lmao

[cosmic dagger]

Oh started 2 days ago then thorns will definitely get a lot of value for you

Get him to second promotion as fast as you can

[odd elbow]

Thorns is pretty weak before E2

[inland barn]

so thorns would fit pretty well?

[odd elbow]

As a 6*

[inland barn]

i can't get anyone to E2 atm cause

i basically just started

[odd elbow]

Definetly

[cosmic dagger]

Oh man e2 thorns exu tex sounds like such a based team

[odd elbow]

Exactly

[cosmic dagger]

He'll work just fine for you

You got a little bit of everything

[inland barn]

yeah i rerolled until i got exusiai and tex on one account

aside from that

i'm guessing surtr isn't the best choice because of the investment level?

also not really sure i will be encountering any enemies that would be of that level where surtr is needed (soon, that is)

[cosmic dagger]

It's a dubious thing to say but with Texas alter, surtr's value drops for that account

[inland barn]

yeah i think i've seen some crazy damage with her e2

[cosmic dagger]

This doesnt mean surtr is bad, just that you already have an efficient way of dishing out quick arts damage

[inland barn]

fair enough

[cosmic dagger]

So consistent damage with thorns would be nicer when your other 6*s are bursty

[glass monolith]

Deep Cognition while i have weedy + -1 weight relic. You know where this is going

(Dies to stealth shit)

[cosmic dagger]

Time to draft tsukinogi

I agree

[inland barn]

additionally, would any of the other limited units on banner be super important?

i think nearl is also another burst unit so i would assume not a priority

[cosmic dagger]

You have a very very low chance of getting her

I wouldn't worry about it

[inland barn]

and skalter/ros?

[cosmic dagger]

Those are also very low chance

It's probably better to look out for reed alter

[inland barn]

in terms of pure value

[cosmic dagger]

Which would be sometime soon

[inland barn]

this is just hypothetical rather than um

concrete

[cosmic dagger]

Right

What were you thinking?

[inland barn]

just wanted to ask how much impact each one would have

[cosmic dagger]

Oh you mean the thing above

[inland barn]

yeah

[hot dagger]

wtf is this is ex8 shit?

[cosmic dagger]

I don't think any of them are powerful enough to justify sinking 300 pulls for spark

(which is the realistic ending)

[inland barn]

understandably

[hot dagger]

is ex8 even passable???

even my mudrock eventually dies to snipers

[clear ermine]

Been following guides to clear is ex 8 cm still couldnt win, already spent like 4 sanity packs, i play until im abt to kms

just when I thought I finally won once, then I noticed i was playing normal mode instead of cm

[gleaming lodge]

Huh

[clear ermine]

i dont know what went wrong

[gleaming lodge]

Please do not use sanity to play CMs if you're not confident in your ability to win

Use practice plans

[vernal lion]

when Blood Ledger is activated, crossbowmen will deal arts dmg

[gleaming lodge]

If you can't beat it today, you have 7 more days

[glass monolith]

13

[hot dagger]

how do i protect from the bowmen

they wiped everyone

[clear ermine]

there was a match that I killed everything except the last archer

[vernal lion]

oh the hitman is invinsible

+1 stack of atk and def (capped at 5) when hitting target

[hot dagger]

how to survive

[glass monolith]

No retreat ending 3 done

[hot dagger]

i tried to put mudrock + surtur to top

but mudrock eventually goes down...

[clear ermine]

I tried following the guides, my mlynar still died D;

[vernal lion]

I just do traditional strat

[next cradle]

Any advice for the new third level for the event?

[hot dagger]

SILVERASH!?!?

he can reveal the bowman right

[vernal lion]

code of the stage is IS-3 ?

[hot dagger]

big brain

[vernal lion]

he won't have enough dmg, have some sniper to help to kill hitman too

[clear ermine]

pozy?

[vernal lion]

yea

pozy will work too

[clear ermine]

I went and follow guides after failing with my own squad

ill retry with pozy

later

[hot dagger]

his s3 not wnough??

pozy position below sa ?

[next cradle]

IS-EX-3

[vernal lion]

that position won't reach the hitman tho

deploy her here

[hot dagger]

kek

ok

[clear ermine]

wont she get 1-2shot by the hitman

[next cradle]

Any advice for IS-EX-3? This is the team I’m using so far.

[hot dagger]

whos tanking the wolf

[vernal lion]

proc s3, when done killing the hitman, retreat him to deploy him for s3 again

[vernal lion]

which defender you got?

[hot dagger]

mudrock saria penance

[clear ermine]

my mudrock died instantly against the wolf

cuora can tank the wolf

[hot dagger]

[clear ermine]

thats what ive seen after all the tries

[vernal lion]

because juggernaut can't be healed

[merry adder]

A mudrock died

[vernal lion]

by normal medic

[clear ermine]

my cuora survived with sussuro's healing

and maybe spot as well

I killed the wolf that run, but lost to the last hitman

[vernal lion]

only regen skill or talent likes Perfurmer's talent, trait of bard supporter
can heal juggernaut defender

[vernal lion]

do you want to borrow support unit to make stage easier?

[hot dagger]

who shld i put in front of saria

to face the wolf

[vernal lion]

highest def defender you got

or at least, you will outheal the dmg of the boss, to make sure your op won't die to the boss

[hot dagger]

[proud drift]

wait

does IS3

not have monthly squad

[glass monolith]

Go Myrtle, use 2% of your power

[proud drift]

or not yet?

[glass monolith]

Press every button on UI

Thorns in there

And he doesn't refresh with monthly reset, so we don't get shit

[vernal lion]

Thorns is there tho

[proud drift]

where

[glass monolith]

first rule of gopnik: I don't care if stage is still going

[vernal lion]

I'm playing now, so it won't be bright to choose

[proud drift]

ah

so I just have to complete it once

to unlock it

I thought it's smth else

[vernal lion]

get to floor 5 iirc

[full marlin]

Animal cruelty

[hot dagger]

nightingale cages saved my ex8 run... wtf moment

for some reason the bowman doesn't 1shot cages

[sly drift]

Do you know who's the other ops?
I thought Irene or Lumen will join in relay?

[glass monolith]

We will get same shit as CN

[vernal lion]

[glass monolith]

Just our month 2 come in July

[proud drift]

does is3 have elemental damage relevant?

or can I skip berries

[vernal lion]

armor break

[sly drift]

Doesn't really do much

[glass monolith]

90% of stages is DH shit. 10% is 3 egg stages

Oh and i guess like 2-3 reapers stage

There are elemental damage reduction relics

[cosmic dagger]

Fia hand prayge

[gentle finch]

least overkill setup

[cosmic dagger]

Berries garbage for is3

Better to go for raw healing with ptilo

[gentle finch]

my ptilo still e0

[visual cove]

How to best Ex-8 with only 3 e2

[proud drift]

ye is what I went for

is Fia any better in Is3

compared to Is2

[crystal meteor]

who are the 3 in question

[gentle finch]

according to pengod

fiais pretty good in is3

[proud drift]

poggers

[cosmic dagger]

To my understanding, fia was part of the landen thing in is2

[proud drift]

[scarlet ledge]

@proud drift so pro

[cosmic dagger]

So she was already decent there

But fia in is3 has a couple really good relics to make her a niche pick

[gentle finch]

I can't help people with ex stages yet

haventdone them

[cosmic dagger]

Or if horn is nowhere in sight, fia also works as ending 1 counter

[scarlet ledge]

i use fia when im climbing d9

[proud drift]

I mean I wanna play my main picks focused around archetto fia if possible

just like I did in is2

now with a spice of sexas

[scarlet ledge]

so pro dswoeppepeeuey

[gentle finch]

based

[cosmic dagger]

Landen in general is not meta because of the existence of pozy

[visual cove]

SA, Mylnar and exu

[cosmic dagger]

But still playable for sure

[gentle finch]

too bad i have no pozy

[proud drift]

ye playable is already nice for me

I was very sad with IS2 fia about the fact that I need 120+ ASPD

[cosmic dagger]

Simply open pozy

[proud drift]

to proc pasta

[cosmic dagger]

Sniper medic is the based team

[gentle finch]

real

I tried pozy open once

I got emergency out of control with one HP left

[cosmic dagger]

Imagine if you didn't have pozy for out of control

Then you wouldn't even have a chance of winning

[gentle finch]

p a i n

fr

[cosmic dagger]

Having pozy at least means you can cope

[glass monolith]

Out of alive

[gentle finch]

I only lost cuz i had no one for bottom lane to hold

[cosmic dagger]

No horn?

[gentle finch]

i don't have horn LOL

[cosmic dagger]

Man your account sucks for is3

[gentle finch]

it does

[cosmic dagger]

Next you're gonna tell me you have no texas or mlynar

[gentle finch]

no mlynar

i skipped

[cosmic dagger]

I pray for your sanity

[gentle finch]

i wanted to spark skalter (i did)

[cosmic dagger]

Time to be based and go specialist caster team then

[glass monolith]

My F2P account after 1.5 years looks like some whale account 0.5 yaers into game

[gentle finch]

yup

[sly drift]

Atleast he has thorns

[soft crystal]

Does tlk reflect damage

[gentle finch]

gotta build some unorthodox ops

cope through

[proud drift]

pro gamer move is to wait 5 months

[glass monolith]

He just freezes

[proud drift]

for the funny relic squad

[cosmic dagger]

Last knight doesn't reflect any damage

Only chill

[gentle finch]

Honestly

[sly drift]

So one shot Ash might be work right? Haven't try it

[gentle finch]

If a decent standard comes up I might pull there instead of mumu or ines

[soft crystal]

I guess the only way to cope therapists into it is to make a melee take damage and lumen s1 hitting everyone around it

[cosmic dagger]

Ash freezes after 2 bullets

Unless 2 bullets deal 100k damage

[gentle finch]

lmao

Up until what diff does lee cheese

[cosmic dagger]

If you meant s3, no terrain to slam knight on

So that doesn't work either

[cosmic dagger]

You can probably do the math yourself

[sly drift]

Idk man I just don't find any effective way to kill knight without gg. The freeze is frickin pain

[cosmic dagger]

As long as he doesn't die in one hit

You'll be bing chilling

[soft crystal]

I used pozy

[gentle finch]

I killed first phase with ling on lower diff

i didn't have def - relic either

he leaked though

[cosmic dagger]

Second phase gg works for lower diffs where res isn't too high

[gentle finch]

yeah

[cosmic dagger]

Going higher you take true damage as the finisher

Kal my beloved

[gentle finch]

no kal

💀

[cosmic dagger]

Your account SUCKS

[gentle finch]

i will buy her from certs

dw

[sly drift]

Gg problem is she somehow randomly hit the other

[soft crystal]

Does nrk pillar just die to tlk too

[gentle finch]

😭

[cosmic dagger]

Luckily it doesn't freeze, so it dies in two hits instead of one hit

Pretty sweet deal

[soft crystal]

Im gonna go into d8 aiming for tlk

Fuck it

[gentle finch]

who are some cope units that could be useful

[cosmic dagger]

My go-to copium is mizuki/weedy opener

The drafting fully into crowd control

Mudrock s3, blacknight, mostima, you name it

The win rate is pretty sad but it's fun as fuck

[soft crystal]

Can you really yeet ed3 into a hole?

[cosmic dagger]

She's weight 6 so you're gonna need some degenerate relics

Like specialist +2 force

[soft crystal]

But it is possible

[cosmic dagger]

And Angelina or -1 weight relic

It is possible in one push

Lemme find vid

[gentle finch]

bet

[cosmic dagger]

https://b23.tv/ix7X1f4

[next cradle]

You have a recommendation?

[sly drift]

Mlynar I think? He's op af

[sly drift]

[near folio]

Big problems require big solutions

[sly drift]

How can he aim it diagonally

[vernal lion]

ugh, geography?

[naive crater]

This shi hard even tho I have Texalter,penance,horn all at E2
Then sum 5 stars that's E1 can someone give me tips(I lack arts user:<I'm not sure if that's the problem doe)

[sly drift]

What map is it

[naive crater]

Oh yeah I juiced my brain for an hour and finally gave up and ask for help:/

[sly drift]

What's ur squad

[naive crater]

Wait

Lemme log in again

[sly drift]

The bad news is it isn't even the cm

[soft crystal]

I didnt find any of the ex stages to be hard

[crystal meteor]

play the long game and wait from clearing hard stages till you get a cracked account

[latent anvil]

Refia pro

[glass monolith]

I had hard time only with CM on 8 and like 3

[balmy halo]

texas is quite a strong arts dmg dealer already tho

[soft crystal]

Well im an endgame rarity abooser tho

[balmy halo]

🤝 me and my surtr mlynar texalter kaltsit spawn camping the shit out of everything i can see in the map

[latent anvil]

I lost on 8 and on 3 cm

[balmy halo]

perhasp ur lacking people who can block the cars

[latent anvil]

You can tex2 the cars in front, there's a tile in between all of them

[balmy halo]

or ur ignoring the worth of healers (for when the cleaner comes)

[naive crater]

Uhm here

[sly drift]

Vigil

[naive crater]

Yeah that's the thing bruh my penance can't have the chance to charge up her S3 but then again if I put other defender they die easily💀 Guess I can't complete this without raising another tank?

[balmy halo]

damn u have a leveled vigil... and a jessica... but liskarm isnt even e2...

[balmy halo]

you could yk. come to the darkside, borrow ling

is ur hoshi not tanky enough?

[naive crater]

Ok ty for the tips

[sly drift]

Also ceylon. She has low heal. Don't use ceylon in regular map

[naive crater]

She can tank I'd prolly E2 her sometime this week if I have enough matss

[sly drift]

Oh sorry. I just notice ur name

[balmy halo]

i think ur better off using sussuro as a healer than ceylon in like all cases even if sussuro's skill has 2 uses per stage only. much better to use her to heal hoshi as she tanks through a buffed cleaner

[naive crater]

But can't tank the dude with sniper

[balmy halo]

try bringing gravel to bait out some shots first?

i think u can replace jessica easily here since most enemies got high af def anyway that her damage wont really do much

[naive crater]

Oki ty

[balmy halo]

the cleaner comes up top right

[sly drift]

This is underleved tbh. It will be hard
Also you don't have art damage

Only texalt isn't enough I think

[crystal meteor]

vigil s3

[naive crater]

Yep Texas my only art damage dealer that deals enough

[balmy halo]

are you fr rn

[sly drift]

Sure but he's vigil

[naive crater]

Vigils dog dies fast so he couldn't really do much to bosses

[balmy halo]

the guys in this event would kill his wolf pretty fast, vigil wont be doing much dmg

i really think it would be easier for you to borrow someones ling in this stage tbh

[naive crater]

Alr I'll try

[sly drift]

True..
The last hope

[crystal meteor]

yous a ceylon simp but you e2 a vigil first

[naive crater]

It seems like I also gotta watch who's best characters to e2 first

[sly drift]

Lapp imo

[naive crater]

I mean her e2 doesn't do much for me

There ain't too much map with water in it...

[latent anvil]

Vigil might be worst 6 star in game btw

[crystal meteor]

and vigil?

[naive crater]

I thought he's good....

[latent anvil]

He's at least a contender for it

[naive crater]

Yii said so...I thought bro ain't capping...

[sly drift]

They will probably fix him in the future

[naive crater]

Hopefully. either way idc about meta the moment I saw his e2 drip but I could've prioritize other characters oh well

[sly drift]

They fix passenger which is literally bottom trash in the past. So Vigil have Chance too

[crystal meteor]

he's free 🚬

[sly drift]

Nah..

Being free or not oesn't mean anything

[glass monolith]

Pet stats +200% won't fix part than any other pet is better

[balmy halo]

gladiia, lumen, silence alter are pretty good tho

[balmy halo]

that vid was a satire vid... ;(

[naive crater]

Welp gtg ty again y'all:)

[naive crater]

Just realized that too late

[crystal meteor]

no pulls spent, vigil ends with an l

[sly drift]

At first I thought he's good though

I mean his playstyle is actually good.

His only issue is his summon HP too thin.

Like, why???

[crystal meteor]

hes gonna become abyssal hunter

that will be his buff

[proud drift]

what does light even impact

cause it doesn't say anywhere

in IS3

[sly drift]

Low light cause your operator get curse debuff if you roll low number in six-die

[proud drift]

like

the stage rolls?

that you get every new floor?

[sly drift]

Yea.

[proud drift]

ah

so that's why my kroos is not so koko dayo anymore

😔

[sly drift]

What does she say?

[proud drift]

nah she just got the curse

that she freezes for 15 seconds

after deployment

[sly drift]

Yea that kind of thing.

[proud drift]

it's still kinda funny how busted sexas is for this

stage with multiple ch8 UFOs?

just sexas them

[gentle finch]

my goodness

ex-3 cm sucks with abyssals only

[sly drift]

When you play 3rd route. Your light drop to zero that you have so many cursed ops

[vernal lion]

I don't get it,
how the angle in that one is not right about force? even I calculated it and tested it, it's still like this but not like that one in the video?

[proud drift]

from what I see

their knockbacks

didn't come out at the same time

somehow

[vernal lion]

so you want Weedy force first then cannon force after that? hmm

[proud drift]

huh

wait

what

is that legit

can you hole a fucking boss

in IS

poor skadi wtf

[glass monolith]

Ending 1, 3 and 4 got holed

Which means - Fuck endign 2

[proud drift]

I still have no clue what ending 1 boss, I just accidently beat it

having chen have +120% atk with enemy taking 55% more physical damage

stacks kinda nice for her S3

I guess

[vernal lion]

even you can push him, it's just ~1 tile

with the +2 force book

or may need Ange s3 to have cannon force up to 7

[glass monolith]

Does he DoT himself hard enough to be phase 2 viable?

[vernal lion]

Last Knight is 5 weight

[glass monolith]

fuck i need maxed Quartz to tank him viably

[vernal lion]

ugh huh?

[glass monolith]

Oh right cannon is summon, book is to Specialists

[vernal lion]

Ishar'mla is 6 weight

[glass monolith]

Pushing already pushed target works in mysterious way

[vernal lion]

so with Ange debuff, boss is 5 weight
Weedy s3 is 3 + 2 = 5 force, cannon is 4

but the angle is 45 degree

[sly drift]

What about your "geography" you said before

[vernal lion]

hole

welp, it's about physics tho

[latent anvil]

Well

That enemy isn't entirely on that one tile huh

It's partially on the cannon tile?

So maybe spawn RNG changes how much it get pushed

Because it literally is just adding on the push in another direction (the vector addition that Kermit was talking about)

[sly drift]

And he probably retreat weedy immediately for some reason?

[elder flume]

did u forget cannon is 3 not 4

[vernal lion]

ugh E2 cannon is force 1, s3 gives +3 force, so isn't that 1+3=4 ?

[elder flume]

s3 makes it same force as weedy

+1 is from being adjacent to weedy

[vernal lion]

yea that one

[elder flume]

isharmla scene isnt adjacent tho?

[sly drift]

It was like in the corner of the tile

[cosmic dagger]

There was the -weight relic as well from the video

So isharmla is actually 4 weight there

[sly drift]

We are talking about how it being pushed diagonally. How can you achieve that

[cosmic dagger]

But to my understanding, he specified in comments that weedy push needs to come out first then retreat to make cannon hit instantly

This just says when to block

[sly drift]

Makes sense now

[latent anvil]

The retreat causes the projectile to instantly hit enemy right?

[vernal lion]

yea, I just figured out too

[elder flume]

oh retreated

[cosmic dagger]

Yeah

Classic cc tech

[sly drift]

Does it really skip the animation of both attack (weedy and cannon)? It happens so fast i wouldn't notice it If you don't explain it

[cosmic dagger]

Retreating weedy/cannon to make projectile hit instantly is a weird thing used a lot in cc

It's normal to not notice it

[elder flume]

its better to use velocity instead of force to calc

since uh

velocity scales a lot differently compared to force

Push
Velocity
-3 0.0,
-2 100.0,
-1 200.0,
0 400.0,
1 450.0,
2 530.0,
3 580.0

[sly drift]

What's right number means

Distance?

[snow bronze]

its also used for farming stages faster

[vital arrow]

Velocity

Speed

[elder flume]

left is force - weight

right is the velocity you would get from the interaction

its really old

wonder if it got updated

[vital arrow]

Are we working on the shift sheet

[elder flume]

never

i may have just gotten weedy but that will not be the case

[vital arrow]

Nyoo

[sly drift]

Now that we talk about it. How many is Patriot Weight?

[vital arrow]

7

[sly drift]

Oh..
No one able to push it even with relic

[vital arrow]

Weedy's cannon can

With ange s3

[elder flume]

theres patty in is3?

[sly drift]

Maybe it pushed 2 tile apart

[vital arrow]

Nop

But theres a relic that reduces weight

Weedy's cannon has effective force of -2 against pat with ange S3

So it's like, 0.2 tile or something

[sly drift]

Is there something heavier than Patriot?

Dusk dragon?

[vital arrow]

Bishop quintus

[elder flume]

most bosses are weight ten now

[vital arrow]

Basically the big enemies

Quintus is weight 99 iirc

[sly drift]

Please we don't talk about raid boss

[latent anvil]

Sl1 Vulcan can't beat paradox huh

[vital arrow]

How fat is kirsten again

[elder flume]

if theyre still in shiftable situation then they would prob be unbalance_immune

[vital arrow]

The bane of shifters

[sly drift]

That would be creepy af if those thing moves

[vernal lion]

oversized enemy can't be pushed by any how

we still didn't have enemy with the size of 2-tile or 4-tile

the size at least is 9-tile, and it's BSL

[glass monolith]

Ling event boss was like 15 tiles but i had no time to care for what, i had time to care about being fucked by like 2-3 targeting AIs at same time

[vernal lion]

I fucking hate this boss

[cosmic dagger]

It's the easiest floor 3 boss

[glass monolith]

I Weedy-ed him into those holes

[cosmic dagger]

[vernal lion]

tbh when you have a different thought than RNG, and it's fucked up

I should recruit Lava at least

[glass monolith]

I wish Die squad had option to reroll "neutral" outcome. The fuck do i use 10 dices on floor 6 game?

[vernal lion]

slow every combat

[latent anvil]

I like that boss far more than the twins

[glass monolith]

Fuck twins, i never play around having consistent top bro kill

[cosmic dagger]

Post expansion you can use as many dice as you want in a map

Even simultaneously

I won the reaper map by throwing 10 dice at the problem

[latent anvil]

That one relic that gives dice

Must feel good

[cosmic dagger]

5head strats

[glass monolith]

But can i reroll fucking 2 on double relic chance when i have d12?

[vernal lion]

I will try to get to d15 without any upgrade

[latent anvil]

fr that map is actually terrible

[vernal lion]

I'm on d3 now

still got fucked up with some bad rng

[latent anvil]

Bruh I thought naga was doing d15 alr

[vernal lion]

I was very busy, I didn't even touch this mode in last week

[glass monolith]

I got d7 win and not looking toward pushing difficulty, will try to push unlocks

[elder flume]

im still d1

Eben does lockdown mantis

[snow bronze]

probably wont work as well when they get +20res

[cosmic dagger]

Weedy s2 perma stalls mantis tho

So that's a fun one

[snow bronze]

[vital arrow]

Weedy start pogging?

[cosmic dagger]

I am weedy opener enjoyer

Very pog

[snow bronze]

weedy prob gets obliterated by top if u dont kill him fast

[cosmic dagger]

Well you have the rest of your team to kill him

[snow bronze]

horn s3 on d15 doesnt even kill

v sad

[glass monolith]

Only run when twins sucked less

[sonic willow]

thorns

[glass monolith]

Well I 65/50 this shit on Mlynar so he has debt to pay

[sudden locust]

Who to add on a Squad?

[latent anvil]

These levels...

[gleaming lodge]

???

Is this

[latent anvil]

Very dank

[opal kiln]

They're just on the max or bust mentality

Based if I may say so myself

Though not based for your mats

[gleaming lodge]

Mate, surely you are aware you are not obligated to E0/1/2 max everything?
You can stay in the middle

[glass monolith]

Waifus - Maxed. And then there is level 1 Chiave

[gleaming lodge]

Like
You have 2 hypercarries
~12 usable ops
And that's it ?

Whatever though, all those units are good, keep investing in them

[sonic willow]

cursed level maxing

[sudden locust]

Who are the hypercarries?

[gleaming lodge]

Your two E2 max

[latent anvil]

It's sorted by rarity

Sort by level for us

[gleaming lodge]

The power gap between E1 max and E2 max for most ops is absolutely crazy

[sudden locust]

Oh Ash and exu

[gleaming lodge]

Ash ?

You don't have ash

[snow bronze]

silver ash

[gleaming lodge]

Oh

Long day on my end

[gleaming lodge]

Silverash is abbreviated SA

[glass monolith]

I will have hell on earth tomorrow

[gleaming lodge]

Also, what are you asking for exactly ?

[heady hedge]

asking for hell on earth tomorrow

[sudden locust]

Who to add on a squad

[gleaming lodge]

Who to add ?

Are you trying to make a squad ?
For a specific stage ?
For story ?
Even then, with two E2 max, you understand enough about the game to make a general squad

If not, go back to TR-10 and TR-15

[sudden locust]

For general

[heady hedge]

bro tr15 is so hard man

i have to watch kyo for it!

[near folio]

2 medic, 2 defender, 2 vanguards, 6 randoms

[latent anvil]

Take the first seven ops sorted by level, then take warf silence liskarm astgenne and then one more slot for whoever you simp ig

Good enough

[glass monolith]

tr15 is that one casual filter of tutorial stages?

[heady hedge]

yeah

the one where you have to "retreat"

but you actually dont

[glass monolith]

i think i bruteforced on like 5th attempt

[heady hedge]

fr?

[latent anvil]

Just use guide for tutorial

[near folio]

General content squad

[latent anvil]

Not so much arts but ig astgenne enough

[near folio]

Well if you count Penance and Blemi as potentially doing arts damage

[heady hedge]

lapp, penance, blemi

[sonic willow]

cursed

[heady hedge]

also this guy has sham so phys works pretty well

[glass monolith]

If you want cursed action ask me when i have inspiration

60% damage reduction Skadi

[near folio]

Speaking of cursed, why not cycle shamare, roberta and Cuora to stall steam knight for 20+ minutes

[latent anvil]

I cycle nian and hoshi because my nian is mod1

[glass monolith]

Boss almost dead and 2 trees not touched

[near folio]

The 2 trees cant even hurt my cuora

[glass monolith]

Oh right, the "Fuck this, i tank Patriot P1 alone" 4*

[near folio]

My defence is impenetrable

[latent anvil]

I spelt out 'LOL' for that stage

[glass monolith]

[fierce dragon]

I'm already stuck on IS-EX-3

[near folio]

IS-EX-3 is funny

Especially the CM

[glass monolith]

EX-3 and EX-8 are hardest stages there

[fierce dragon]

Damn

How do I beat it? I borrowed a Texalter and she didn't kill the debt collectors

[glass monolith]

Especially if EU don't read CM effects

[near folio]

Just to kill one cleaner

[glass monolith]

And this is "almost guaranteed 2 cleaners" stage

[fierce dragon]

I had two up at the same time

[glass monolith]

It is funny how some of EX stages can be beaten in 0 cleaners

[fierce dragon]

My ranged ops got decimated and then they booted my stallers off the map

[glass monolith]

Even CM of EX-4 i think still can be 0 cleaners

[near folio]

I finished all the EX stages and I still dont know what the big guys and the black suit guys do

[glass monolith]

Big guy is taunt

WHICH I FOUND OUT ONLY IN EX-7

BECAUSE MY ARCHETTO DIDNT KILL DOG

[near folio]

[fierce dragon]

[near folio]

Don't worry, it took me until H11-4 to realise that Sarkaz Wither Tanks don't target ranged operators

Which makes it convenient to spawncamp that stage with angelina

[glass wedge]

who can I borrow to clear EX3?

[glass monolith]

"Fuck it, maxed Nian it is" - Me on EX stages

and then texas alter on top of blocked cleaners

[tidal sedge]

Just Ling it

[near folio]

Actually can E2 Hellagur solo the Cleaner?

With S2

[glass wedge]

my ling blows

[near folio]

Wait

CM reduces block

[glass wedge]

no module

[latent anvil]

borrow ling

[near folio]

Actually a well timed Mudrock S3 should be able to win against the cleaner

[vernal lion]

at least the Limo isn't 3 block

[fierce dragon]

Well

Kinda

[latent anvil]

the limo is quite disturbing tbh, i dont like that enemy

so thick

[glass monolith]

M3 maybe, SL7 is not enough +dmg, at least on my end

[near folio]

Wtf

[fierce dragon]

It's a slightly less annoying version of that one dune buggy from gavalter event

[near folio]

Wait till u see the weird machinery they use against your operators in chapter 11

[glass monolith]

21.6k hp, 960 def on CM + red bar buff

[glass monolith]

Next limited event will have more annoying version of gavalter buggy

[fierce dragon]

Goddammit

[glass monolith]

HG has something with cars

[fierce dragon]

I liked that one stage where it was just a busy road though

That was fun

[glass monolith]

Music company, which released racing (because you race to deploy faster than you die ) tower defense game, and somehow collabs with space program

[fierce dragon]

It's doing a Collab with destiny if my memory serves me correctly

[glass monolith]

They collab with Chinese space something

But that collab probably won't add anything to game, while destiny should

[near folio]

One day Lowlight is gonna build a real life sacrophagus

[vernal lion]

rocket car is 3 block, robocop is 4 block
and 2 kind of mob can decrease 1 block of your op

very interesting event

[fierce dragon]

So only my Hoshi will be able to stall robocop

[glass monolith]

Go to hell with Mumu event, i talk about 4 passangers taxi of Lin and Mountain_2.0 event

Also funny movement speed beacons when enemy dogs just outrun lancers

[near folio]

Arknights mobs are becoming more unhinged these days

Especially the dogs in chapter 11

What were they thinking when they made that mob?

[fierce dragon]

I'm beginning to get scared of later chapters

I'm only on chapter 8

[glass monolith]

You will love chapter 12 drone

[fierce dragon]

Is it as annoying as literally anything from chapter 6

[glass monolith]

Also you can start chapter 9-11 from chapter 3, just skip recap at start and lore stage which is suspriciously separated from other stages by distance

[near folio]

Chapter 6 mechanics are rough but the enemies are not hard to deal with

[vernal lion]

it's not even drone, it's a fucking moving tower

[glass monolith]

flying moving tower

[fierce dragon]

I absolutely hate the freeze as soon as I get all of the op I'm never looking at that chapter again

[glass monolith]

Chapter 10 inflict pain in other way

[near folio]

I still remember when H6-4 was considered the hardest stage

[near folio]

H10-3 💀

[glass monolith]

Also something tells me IS-4 might be a little freeze focused

[fierce dragon]

WHY

NO

[glass monolith]

H10-3 is baby mode if you have Weedy to reduce stage in half. H10-1 on other hand

[tidal sedge]

This Sniper is more annoying than the Wolf boss aaah

[glass monolith]

I have general idea how i survived early in H9-6 and H11-4. I have no fucking idea how i did H10-1. All i recall is friend support Kal top lane

[fierce dragon]

Ex-wife for the win

[near folio]

H9-6 is such a painful stage to plan

They just rush you with the whole dublinn squad right off the bat

[fierce dragon]

I'm actually able to deal with dublinns fairly easily

Except for that one fucker with the fireballs

[near folio]

The caster is the worst

[fierce dragon]

Evocater that's the word

Fuck them

[glass monolith]

I abused the fact i did h9-6 loooong into future so i just choked fireball boys with Spalter

And well, Goldenglow + Pozy CAT from pararrel universe

[near folio]

I still havent cleared H9-6 cause im too lazy to do it

[vernal lion]

Evocator: Hadoken, but it's fire element

[glass monolith]

"Throwing fireballs is not an art" "Hey, as long as it works"

[near folio]

I can probably wipe H9-6 now but I dont feel like fighting Mandragora

Shes such a lazy and tedious boss

[fierce dragon]

The splash is what annoys me the most

My melee units can tank them no problem

[glass monolith]

i killed Mandra with 1 tower only

[vernal lion]

biggest size is 2 tiles

[near folio]

Im able to kill her with 1 tower as well but my team dies to the rush at the end

[fierce dragon]

Holy shit

[near folio]

Cause I only brought in SA and Ifrit as my 6 stars

The rest of my roster isnt strong enough to deal with them

[glass monolith]

SA, NTR, Chalter, (Friend support) Spalter, Goldenglow, Pozyomka

Nightingale

Best kill is overkill

[fierce dragon]

Indeed

I only ever go overkill if I have the units

[near folio]

Beating Mandra in TN-4 ultimate trial was enough for me

[glass monolith]

True damage Gravel the golems

Best squad

[vernal lion]

"hold my Talulah"

[glass monolith]

Hold my... Uh... What shit was Trial #3?

[vernal lion]

there's EB tho

[near folio]

Rat King > Big Ugly > Knights

[vernal lion]

oh wait, EB in mini event, not TN

[glass monolith]

No no i mean like, 3rd trials, not the trial 3

[near folio]

I want to see Gravestone > Talulah > Manfred for the next TN

[glass monolith]

CN had NT#3 or my memory is off?

[vernal lion]

TN#2 tho

[glass monolith]

Anyway, focus on soon future. boringest perma stage ever. BtI rerun. Tourch (pun intended) grass (Reed Alter)

[vernal lion]

also, yea there's EB in TN-4

because fart is fun

[near folio]

EB is one of the most well balanced bosses

He is hard in a good way

[glass monolith]

I didn't see TN EB, but i recall seeing EB in mini-event and be like "The fuck is this claustrafobic map"

[near folio]

Not because he has ridiculous stats

[glass monolith]

I love how he has less def than casters

[vernal lion]

EB, Andoain, evil Talulah

[glass monolith]

DODGE FIELDS FOR EVERYONE

[near folio]

What would be the most cursed boss combination?

Big Sad Lock > EOE > Blood Knight (CM)

[glass monolith]

Fuck it, 2 big sad locks at same time, and both do attack but with closest operator targeting, also no IS buffs for you

[near folio]

3 Damatzi Clusters

[glass monolith]

Also if you really want to annoy players, IW boss, to disable half of tiles in advance

[near folio]

Then add a Frozen Monstrosity as well to disable more tiles

[glass monolith]

IW boss, EB, Frostnova 1 and 2. Without shifting of map

Like Vigilo stages

What Vigilo 8 was? Big bad, Brothers, Patriot?

[hollow flume]

I keep trying it with borrowed Ling but everything dies

Lil help

[sonic willow]

if you have a raised mousse she can help reduce boss dmg

[frozen plover]

show ops

[turbid badge]

lol

lol roberta moduler workes on ros gear

[hollow flume]

Bit late sorry

[glass monolith]

I just Fiaed the grampa

[turbid badge]

wow wtf freeling range

[outer sail]

How often is Hoshi's newest module relevant? I feel like generally speaking she either doesn't need it, or its boost isn't enough. Like, is there anything she can tank with it that she can't without?

[cosmic dagger]

Which one is the newest one, block or def?

The defense one ends up seeing some play in reclamation algorithm and pinchout

Block one I don't think was relevant ever

Just a comfy pick

[glass monolith]

Laugh in 4 block taxis

[outer sail]

The newest one is 20% def on block. The old one is 4 block (which, while never really needed, is pretty funny sometimes)

[dapper meadow]

Poz+Texalter (just started, will get Myl eventually). Hand of Choker seems really good on Poz, but SP battery also seems really useful

Does hand of choker work on elites/bosses too?

[snow bronze]

yes

it works on final boss

[glass monolith]

How much hp ending 3 boss has on d15?

I seen "stall d15" video and it was 15 minute fiesta, despite all those red 1k-2k numbers

[cinder vector]

u cant stall d15 isharmla

she just nukes everything when she transforms what

[cosmic dagger]

You can interrupt transformation animation technically

[cinder vector]

[cosmic dagger]

But the strat is kinda schizo

Since it requires drafting weedy

[cinder vector]

if ur drafting weedy cant u just push her into a hole

why stall

[cosmic dagger]

6 weight energy

[cinder vector]

oh right, need either angelinas staff or +2 force

and angelina or hool

[glass monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCPOaljYsNA

[glass wedge]

how built does shaw need to be for the EX stages?

[glass monolith]

Uh... Fuck... There is something to push?

[glass wedge]

6 & 7 both have holes

maybe 8 idk

[tawny solar]

How do i beat knight boss

[glass monolith]

Take someone goldenglow and pray you have something to stall phase 1 to death, his crit on frozen target is like 4k, have fun

if we talk ending 2 boss of IS3

[hollow flume]

[digital thistle]

So I'm using shaw on the tile below adnachiel there (I have greythroat instead of him) and the sniper there seemed to get instagibbed by the purple drone

Is this normal..? She should be pretty tanky

(annihilation 3)

Most of the leaks or gibs aren't accounted in any guides I see besides kroos being an ||idiot|| but I upgraded her now anyway

At around 320/400

Yeah no this is unplayable, idk why it was suggested as an alternative

Should either of these be able to replace vigna there comfortably? Skill 7 and can obviously get melantha to 55 if I use her again

[sonic willow]

drone hit + ballista shot kills a lot of the low rarity marksmen

[digital thistle]

Yeah I definitely need something in front of her

Vigna is level 0 though

[sonic willow]

can you show your whole roster

because using lappland bottom is a waste

she can kill idle crushers in the middle

[tidal sedge]

A defender to tank the hit from the drone would work, if they can survive

[digital thistle]

Running this right now, the 12th slot was empty in the guide so I just threw lappland there

[sonic willow]

wait you have exu

just use her bottom

[digital thistle]

Will she be tanky enough with shaw in the tile below

[sonic willow]

she should be

do you have texas?

[digital thistle]

No texas, this anni will get me another tenroll from yellow certs to hit 200 rolls on it...

[flat sapphire]

3 sec redeploy skadi with mod x and wavebreaker

[sonic willow]

who's the one of the left

that can't be kroos

[digital thistle]

Left is greythroat