strategy

[scarlet ledge]

me when fw see mandra

[latent anvil]

I mean aa sniper not very useful anyway

[scarlet ledge]

red numbers

[storm current]

dmg reduction is not an issue for exu

[scarlet ledge]

[full finch]

ye

[storm current]

since its multiplicative

[full finch]

warf + exu still shred mandra

[storm current]

she care about def stat

[full finch]

only 520 def

add elysium for fun

[hollow stream]

IM SO FUCKING CLOSE

[full finch]

[hollow stream]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WRAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hollow stream]

THAT IS PAST PHASE 2

[full finch]

don't need tank there

[limpid siren]

doesn't she take fifty million years to reach the blue box

[full finch]

mandra short range

[limpid siren]

you could consider setting up for another go

[hollow stream]

mlynar is my only dmg dealer that deals big numbers

[scarlet ledge]

i love fw

[soft crystal]

Just undeploy your mlynar

[hollow stream]

i could use schwarz but she alr dead before i proc her skill

[latent anvil]

#salt-mines message

[soft crystal]

And set up again

[limpid siren]

move him then

[full finch]

she also stops on this tile for a while

[limpid siren]

is that possible

i feel like you probably have time for it

[hollow stream]

i drop this pillar by the time mlynar regens his skill again

[latent anvil]

Prep the pillar earlier

[full finch]

honestly don't need that much DPS if you're using while she has no DR

you have the instant pillar kill

[hollow stream]

OH FUCKK

I SEE IT

the kyostinv flowing thru my veins

[scarlet ledge]

@latent anvil fucking sniped mandra

[hollow stream]

no i didnt mean im going to watch a kyo vid

[full finch]

wait I'm off by 1 tile fuck

[scarlet ledge]

so pro

[latent anvil]

[scarlet ledge]

teach refia

[latent anvil]

Refia dalao

[soft crystal]

Mlynar should do it with pillar in like

[full finch]

it was this tile

💀

[soft crystal]

Just 70% of the skill duration

[hollow stream]

i can feel u guys giving up trying to help me

[soft crystal]

Nah we arent

We believe in u

[latent anvil]

I'm not helping anymore

My mlynar still not e2

[vernal lion]

the BallBuster

almost dead lol

[limpid siren]

god's weakest ambriel

[latent monolith]

Ambriel based

[soft crystal]

Thats a lot of damage

[hollow stream]

@tidal sedge

I KILLED MADNDRAGORA

LETS GOOOOOO

SDSDGI-WOF[AGWR

G

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/649634512493346840.png?quality=lossless

Congrats

[glass monolith]

Good. Now do H9-6

[storm current]

Wait until he see mandred

[glass monolith]

maldfred is easy, at least with his amount of brute force

[hollow stream]

AFIASUFGFSDJS

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRA

[tidal sedge]

Grats

But i think u got the wrong guy

[hollow stream]

oh wait

I DID

LMAO

@soft crystal

[soft crystal]

grats

[hollow stream]

never doing this stage ever again

[vernal lion]

• 5 caster B Ambriel
• Warf s2
• 5 caster B Skalter s2
  the Ambriel's base atk when s2 is: 3399 x ( 1.9 + 0.9 ) + 1329 x 0.6 = 10314.6

[glass monolith]

10-11 AE:

[full finch]

10-11 AE is fun tho

[glass monolith]

oh right he will brute force 10-11 AE, he is not me who try to no limited/OP (outside of GG lmao ) operators

[latent anvil]

I farmed it the whole day yesterday

[lethal dragon]

Yeah you will do cm instead

[full finch]

oh I forgot I was going to try a new 5 op strategy for 10-11 AE

[lethal dragon]

Next SSS tower is 6 map one

Hurray

[glass monolith]

yea just survive like 6/10 weeks first with logic of global schedule

[vernal lion]

bruh the number is rounded down

[full finch]

nice, 10-11 AE 5 op done

[lethal dragon]

Now 4 op it with fishes

[full finch]

no

[lethal dragon]

Smh

[full finch]

probably impossible as well

I tried doing top with spalter gladiia and it failed

not to mention the bottom which has even higher pressure

[full finch]

huh

not bad

[lethal dragon]

My fishes are invincible

(I can't do tho)

[full finch]

still don't like them

but I'm impressed

[lethal dragon]

You know what impressed me more

It's the fact it's not some cn player but actually an En

[full finch]

oh

there's a ling solo

boring

[lethal dragon]

You may call it boring but in reality it's not that Easy to execute

Whatever

[civic bear]

not uncommon

[full finch]

ofc it's not

[civic bear]

for cn peeps

[full finch]

but like

[civic bear]

to not do AE

[full finch]

it doesn't impress me to see yet another ling solo

[lethal dragon]

IC

But there's also not standard clear

[civic bear]

ther eis

3 op

pre spalter

[lethal dragon]

Oh don't mind

It's bilibili

@scarlet ledge there's no bear clear for this stage?

[vernal lion]

imagine tanking the attack of chain caster and the big blade dude without healer

[lethal dragon]

With Rosa mod might be doable

[misty egret]

Blaze is better than specter ?

[limpid siren]

It Depends™️

for the average player, probably?

Specter's Undying effect makes her a stronger pick for when that matters

but most of the time, Blaze's statline advantage and lazy but reliable S2 makes her a strong enough pick to still compete

[flat sapphire]

blaze also has a once per deploy pseudo invincibility that people tend to forget

coz it's nowhere near as good as specter's

[gleaming lodge]

It's not a "pseudo" invincibility

It's real

[faint dome]

Is Angelina S3 good to place in the middle block place of caster in south prison ?

[storm current]

kind of but not really

you want constant slow for the big chain ball dude

not attacking may be bad

[flat sapphire]

u know what. idk why i said that. ur right.

[faint dome]

I just don't have a good caster to place in there 😓

yet

[storm current]

you can use someone like pinecone

[faint dome]

But Angelina's art dmg is somewhat good to drain the chain dude right?

[storm current]

well

just s1 then

[faint dome]

why?

[storm current]

because

you can use pinecone s1 stack for the chain balls dude

and she wont be down cooldown when needed

and pinecone is just good

[faint dome]

doe she deals art or physical

[storm current]

physical

the chain balls dude have 800 def 0 res

pinecone deal enough dmg to burst through the defense

but not necessary really

[tidal sedge]

What level of Pinecone are we talking here

[storm current]

well

if e1

[faint dome]

Should she be facing to the up or right?

[storm current]

pinecone only do dmg when s1

at e2

pinecone can hit up to 1k normal and 2k s1

uh

what is your current team deployment lol

normally you can put pinecone face right, since top of top lane only have the tank that do little dmg, not a problem
pinecone facing right mean she can help with bottom lane, also attack the boss

[faint dome]

wait lemme ss it, I can't remember

[tawny rivet]

big sad lock, i'm planning to mlynar it
should i use this squad? i managed to get those collectibles + 1% hp per second

[storm current]

it can work

but you will want to be careful

[tawny rivet]

i've only cleared sad lock once before ;-;

[storm current]

ok ok

[tawny rivet]

i forgot how i did it
the rocks were really annoying

[storm current]

mudrock + specter hold left

perfumer ling mlynar right

you must not use ling to attack BSL, nor dragon

can you screenshot map

[tawny rivet]

i usually

place mlynar here

so he won't kill any units and lose atk

[storm current]

i prefer this to kill mob

and saria in horn spot to hold lane

for left side, specter in front of mudrock prob

[faint dome]

and ifrit as support

[storm current]

oh whats the current situation here

[tawny rivet]

hmm saria s1?

[storm current]

any work

you can face perfumer down

[tawny rivet]

how should i start my placements?
since sad lock attacks 2 at once

[faint dome]

The big chain guys just smashes my two top lane in 380 enemies I think

[storm current]

ye it is expected

if you have enough strength to deal with the rest of enemies

you can use ange the way you said before

altho i prefer s2

[sonic willow]

you can just cycle ange + mlynar + gavial

even better, borrow chalter

[storm current]

@tawny rivet i think cantabile out first to print dp by attacking him

until he explode

then deploy perfumer saria mlynar for right

and spalter into mudrock on left side

[tawny rivet]

hm alright
ty

[glass monolith]

Time to inflict permament account damage (+2 DP) and upgrade my Cant from e0 to e2

[simple geyser]

Hello, newbie here. Does level cap of the operates increases if I promote them

[storm current]

yes

[glass monolith]

It is based on their rarity, level cap after promotion goes up, every promotion starts at level 1 but it won't reset their stats. Game have other ways to inflict pain

[scarlet ledge]

wjat stage

[vernal lion]

10-11, NE or AE

[scarlet ledge]

i might try

im not sure on ae doe

seems pain

[vernal lion]

[glass monolith]

Still can't kill chapter 10 slime

need 15100 for it

[vernal lion]

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion @lethal dragon i dont want to think about ae

i can see red enemy pain

[vernal lion]

yea

[scarlet ledge]

plus changed on enemy path

yknow rosa dps

my fucking dps

[vernal lion]

chain caster issue too

[scarlet ledge]

chain caster issue
bee hunter cant survive with two

one sure

but two tf

thej cloud

the melee fucker at end

@vernal lion me when melee fucker see many slug at end and wiped my defender

anyway ill left ae to the cn dalao bearknights

if he plan to do it

[vernal lion]

I will let him debuff my squad, as much as he wants

[glass monolith]

Can't relate

[scarlet ledge]

lol

[glass monolith]

My plan was simple - NTR the boss.
As you may guess i didn't drew NTR on 8th map

[vernal lion]

who wants some fried snail?

this is just busted

[eager gate]

Does jt8-3 spawn red gems if I speed Talulah p2? Do they still explode if I kill her while some already exist?

[opal kiln]

spawning the crystals is one of her skills

so if u kill her before she casts it, no

they still explode yea

[glass monolith]

It takes her about minute i think to cast it first time

Was killing her with Chalter S3

[eager gate]

my chalter isn't even leveled so I probably would resort to Skadi s3
Why does this level have to be the best aketon stage pepehands

[glass monolith]

Fuck the efficiency, i respect my IRL sanity

[vernal lion]

the best resource farm is from green cert shop

[eager gate]

wait 10-4 seems better
Why does bot say it's worse then ree

[glass monolith]

Bot in this discord shows efficiency calculated by mega minds who give a fuck about side drops

Efficiency is better if you recently started and have 0 of everything

[eager gate]

ahhh that's why

[vernal lion]

actually...

50:50 playground

[eager gate]

damn devices are sweet, but 10min runtime...

[gleaming lodge]

Any idea on how to defknights this map ?
I feel like I need to kill the bladehelm guy quickly but then I run out of ops to deal with the first miniboss

[vernal lion]

exactly, that dude is just staying there till the end

[gleaming lodge]

Because of the light mechanics it costs me a lot of ops to reach him

[glass monolith]

4 operators to deploy 5th on top of him

[vernal lion]

and waste your card too

[gleaming lodge]

Also I literally cannot kill the wraith miniboss

[eager gate]

I hate that Tytus' debuff is a multiplier so he halves the atk regardless of skills or buffs

[foggy grove]

just kill

[glass monolith]

Both of his MN stages had him camp in most inconvenient spot

[gleaming lodge]

It's kind of the point

In MN I didn't mind
But with NL stuff it's more annoying

Plus I'm forced to pick a lot of non-defender operators...

[storm current]

he has one of the worst design too

-50% atk mean its better to use art

but tytus has high res

he can attack range and do art

and revive

lol

[gleaming lodge]

The revive makes very little sense, might as well give him x2 HP

[glass monolith]

During MN, when i was like 3 months player, i REALLY FUCKING MINDED when MN-EX stage you need to kill 2 Raptor drones with straight lane path to blue box while Left hando camps in top left and start moving just as drones arrive (And instantly slaps god damn drone scrambler you are given )

[gleaming lodge]

Honestly with a normal squad you can bait the debuff easily

Sounds like skill issue on your end

[vernal lion]

the only annoying thing to me is his disgusted debuff speed

imagine they really make a risk in CC that decreases the CD of his special ability

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah ?

CC#5 was cool

[gleaming lodge]

Anyway, no ideas whatsoever?

[vernal lion]

you have 21 cards until you've killed the last enemy of first wave

also the last enemy is the solo croc, so Idk if 2 guardians are enough

I think you also did it like this

actually this is better

[glass monolith]

or you can place 1 above light and cope with defending 1 + 4/5 (of your screenshon) at same time

[vernal lion]

Horn in 4, and 1 more defender in 5

while you're stalling croc

[gleaming lodge]

Horn in 4 ?

Horn goes in 1

Also you only 5 ops to reach the other side

[vernal lion]

did you use Ashlock

[gleaming lodge]

Facing 2 to the right, you can deploy in between your rightmost 3 and 4 spot, facing to the right again

[gleaming lodge]

I could
But she is bad

Low ATK

[small spindle]

What is the general strat for this cc training stage if i'm aiming for risk 4 to get max reward? I don't have any wandering medic or any aoe medic, and my notable ops are Saria, SilverAsh, Spectre, Silence, and P Red. The rest are the usual 3 and 4 stars that are often seen in every newbie's account with a few missing here and there.

[glass monolith]

I pulled for ashlock, game gave me fartooth, can't complain

[vernal lion]

what is your squad level, you can take a screenshot of your squad and post it here

[glass monolith]

What you have, i personally have like 80% of my stuff on 3 free from cold altars tiles and right side, and someone dealing with whatever goes left

[balmy halo]

wandering medics arent useful against freeze

[small spindle]

I closed the game so it might take a while to load. They are generally lv 45 and above with SilverAsh and Vigna being E2 lv 30

I meant E1 lv 45

Skill lv is lv 5 minimum

[vernal lion]

ok give me a moment

[glass monolith]

You have all this space where you can deploy without being frozen by altar... I don't recall, are there any freeze bugs or casters?

[small spindle]

Ok

Sorry i can't remember them either. All that i remember was being slaughtered by red samurais while playing in my other account

I will try to yolo it first and give and update on my situation later

[gleaming lodge]

There are freeze casters yes

[small spindle]

Yellow is the tile that will get me frozen right? What are the red one?

[balmy halo]

should have freeze bugs too

[gleaming lodge]

And defense crushers from the left

[small spindle]

Omg

[balmy halo]

yellow is freeze tiles when enemy hits you

red is guaranteed freeze because it is covered by both freezers

[gleaming lodge]

Yellow is chill (-50% attack speed)
If you get chilled twice (lasts 10s) you become frozen for 10s instead

Did you beat chapter 6 ?

[balmy halo]

defense crushers are the stuns right while demolitionists do aoe? i think ur safe with placing down silverash there and alternating with mlynar (borrowed) while ur other ops take care of the right side

[small spindle]

Nope, i'm currently holding off on doing ch 5 to raise some unit to E2

[balmy halo]

• a defender like gummy for ex.

[gleaming lodge]

Do it

You practically don't need E2s in ch5 and 6 anyway

You're better off progressing in story right now

[small spindle]

Oh what for real?

Okay then

[gleaming lodge]

As a general rule the "recommend level" for a stage is too high, you can be 20 to 30 levels below and clear it fairly easily

[small spindle]

So borrow uncle horsey and leave the left side to him and SA?

[balmy halo]

u could try that

what are the risks anyway

[small spindle]

Alright i will try

[balmy halo]

also how many enemies are there again

[small spindle]

Yeah, with 0 sanity cost, all i can lose is time but i am waiting for a few sanity so its good

[gleaming lodge]

40 or so

[gleaming lodge]

Ideally you would be using all your sanity to clear story right now
You want to progress further to get the better farming stages quickly

[balmy halo]

i mean what risks as in the debuffs u picked

[small spindle]

Okay, i don't think i see any freeze bugs

I can clear it with 0 risk and no joint attack buff

But i had a few leaks from the left because i didn't borrow mlynar so i guess borrowing a strong op for holding the left lane js mandatory for me

[gleaming lodge]

Probably not
What is your squad ?
(Just a screenshot of your operator list please)

[small spindle]

The first 3 risk available are
Max life point reduced to 1
Enemy def up 50%
Stun, cold, free duratiom up

Heres the squad i used for the 0 risk

[glass monolith]

Are you okay with friend supporting?

[small spindle]

I didn't realy deploy quora mow that i think about it

[vital arrow]

Borrow a mlynar

[small spindle]

Maybe i should have deployed her to not get leaks from the left

[small spindle]

Only after i feel like complete garbage

[gleaming lodge]

I would argue you need to use Silverash S3 and you would crush this

[vernal lion]

yea borrow Mlynar

[small spindle]

Which is quite often lmao

[glass monolith]

save that for CC event

[vernal lion]

there's only 2 defender crusher

[gleaming lodge]

??

[glass monolith]

DUDE pick duration, you can avoid all freeze

[gleaming lodge]

No

Leak the defense crusher

[vernal lion]

oh yea

there's no banned tile, I forgot

[small spindle]

Maybe, my dumbass used his skill 1 instead in my last try

[gleaming lodge]

All of SA skills are good but if you need damage you really want S3

You should try to get used to using burst skills instead of the auto ones

Don't complain about your """small brain""" if you never try to make it grow

[vernal lion]

if you can't kill the last 2 enemies, don't pick the 1hp seal

[small spindle]

Alright

I'm gonna try again

[gleaming lodge]

This applies to everyone in here btw

[vital arrow]

Would SA have enough uptime for the waves?

[gleaming lodge]

He would certainly destroy the last wave

And open nicely as well

[vital arrow]

Its the mid wave thats pretty heavy

Heavy defender, ice weeb and defense crusher

[vernal lion]

you can leak it like this

[glass monolith]

Hold my Astgenne being best girl

[vernal lion]

but it's still hard for you, so I recommend you to borrow Mlynar for easy clear

[vital arrow]

Masteries and level shouldn't matter no?

[vernal lion]

no

[glass monolith]

masteries are overkill on risk 4

[vernal lion]

I only activate his skill in the end

all the dmg from the beginning is Lava

[vital arrow]

Ig theres also the usual

'Borrow blaze'

Since this is like an old map

[vernal lion]

ye

the only issue is when you stack 1 yeti cleaver with 2 ice casters, your defender will get frozen unfortunately

[glass monolith]

Block 1 spawn camp casters

[vernal lion]

that's why later my squad got yeet like that

[glass monolith]

Cons of block 1 - you can block only 1
Pros of block 1 - you can block THE 1

[lethal dragon]

Now submit

[small spindle]

Okay wtf is Mlynar's damage?

I got risk 4 using this setup

[glass monolith]

Answer is: All of it

[vernal lion]

liberator archetype moment

[latent anvil]

[glass monolith]

Mlynar S3 double damage of Silverash S3

[hollow forum]

there's a reason why SA is now living at a retirement home

[small spindle]

I will not doubt anyone who said Mlynar powercrept SilverAsh ever again

[glass monolith]

SA won't leave CC meta until HG STOP USING GOD DAMN STEALTH RISK EVERY TIME

[small spindle]

The best answer will always be both

Looking at the gold and silver shochwave was a treat

[vernal lion]

but they will do different objectives

[small spindle]

Thank you for the tips everyone

[vernal lion]

the next event you will/or not need him because of the invisible hitman

it's up to you

[glass monolith]

I will try to make IS fun for me - Fia every single stage

[small spindle]

So uhh

[glass monolith]

Simply got annoyed than i don't use her

[vernal lion]

until you meet Laterano mini boss

[glass monolith]

there was mini boss?

[vernal lion]

hope you are ready for it

[small spindle]

Say, if someone were having a skill issue because they can't time their SilverAsh deployment to kill def crusher fast enough in Anni3, borrowing Mlynar will solve the deployment timing issues right?

Asking for a friend

[vernal lion]

yes

[glass monolith]

Just remember ballista in face still exists in Mlynar case

would be fun if dodge 0 were dodging balistas/talubruh fireballs

[vernal lion]

don't know if there's typo but, 40 res in level 0
and 0 res in level 1

bruh

[glass monolith]

Everything below 70 res is 0 res

[main halo]

40 res is pretty easy to dent

[ancient hearth]

Ines ends that copium

[glass monolith]

Reworked CC be like: Everything is invisible. Scene, Silverash and Tsunekogi banned

[shell olive]

You forgot the only actual relevant Invis revealing operator: Elysium

pre-Ines*

Maybe

[ancient hearth]

Ines ability to be a debuffer comes up in CC more than normal content.

Just drop her in and start stabbing the elites in the back

[glass monolith]

Defeated Minus dies of cringe, 2023, colorized

[abstract zenith]

How much do you get from alter missions?

[foggy grove]

time for stainless+horn 1 tech

[turbid badge]

lol

[glass monolith]

Not much, it is like 1/4th refund of promotion or something

[turbid badge]

its still somethijg

[abstract zenith]

Is it worth it to level Texas before texalter?

[turbid badge]

So promote ur gavaial and specters

[turbid badge]

do u have any better pioneers

texas isnt that bad of a raise

[abstract zenith]

Zima

[turbid badge]

ah

i would go texas

her modules acc good

[abstract zenith]

Nicuuuu

I'll do that then, ty

[glass monolith]

As person who goes for e2 of everything: YES

[abstract zenith]

How high do I have to build her for the alter mission?

[turbid badge]

e2 1

iirc

level 1

[glass monolith]

It is e2 1 for alter and e1 max for original

[turbid badge]

Oh

e1 max mfw

does texas alter have missions to

Or did they not give her any

[glass monolith]

It should be last time we have skin voucher and mission

[turbid badge]

Cuz the alter missons end after her event

[abstract zenith]

I see, time to get it then

[glass monolith]

Do they remove them for good or don't add new ones? Back when it was released in CN i understood it as removed for good so spend every dead week on characters who i have with alter tasks, because who in right mind levels Greyy to e1 max

#salt-mines message

[lethal dragon]

Remove them

[glass monolith]

That's uh.... Fair?

[lethal dragon]

I am just happy that I can use skadi with skalter now

[glass monolith]

Nearl with NTR because reality can be whatever i want

[livid delta]

Why didn't you pair the base op with the alter

[glass monolith]

you... can do that?

[turbid badge]

i can finally chen + chalter and kroos + Kroos big

[sharp swallow]

Is Kalt’s Monstr supposed to used as DPS, a Defender, or a Lane Blocker?

[full finch]

yes

[sharp swallow]

I uh- Huh

[full finch]

you can add fast-redeploy to that list as well

[sharp swallow]

So if you use her, she can stand on her own then?

[sonic willow]

you can do all of them

[full finch]

kal'tsit is very common in low op clears

mon3tr is very powerful, she can heal herself, and maybe even heal other units too

[soft crystal]

and also bomb

[latent anvil]

One of the few low op ops I don't have

Not many ops can replace kaltsit

[full finch]

texas alter

[latent anvil]

Had to name the one op I'm skipping huh

[full finch]

kal and texas alter are the most common low op units

[turbid badge]

yea. and ling

[full finch]

yato doesn't exist

[livid delta]

I use mon3tr as a meeboo

[latent anvil]

meeboo

[gentle finch]

why u skipping sexas

[latent anvil]

Because sock said to

[glass monolith]

Maybe he will just Yato 120 pulls in future

[gentle finch]

oh ok

[livid delta]

Meeboo is the name of Mayer's dogs

[eager wraith]

What does low op mean?

[livid delta]

some weird challenge some players do by using the least number of operators to clear a stage

[eager wraith]

Oh ok thanks

[gentle finch]

who's the better borrow for H10-3 between ntrk and kal

[latent anvil]

kal

[turbid badge]

with upcoming module?

[livid delta]

it works

[gleaming lodge]

How many debuffs can the new SSS boss inflict ?

[glass monolith]

I got 5 on my run, not sure if it is timed, hp gated or mix of both

[gleaming lodge]

Apparently it's with danger level

[soft crystal]

Weedy laneholding in ch10 was so cool

Wait a min

Doesnt this year

Have 2 new blue woman

[glass monolith]

If you talk about balans operators - Texas alter and Yato alter

[soft crystal]

Yeah

For every 2 blue woman theres 1 bad blue man

Vigil

[glass monolith]

Did you just call Mizuki bad after Chen and Ling

[soft crystal]

Uh ill put that on Lumen

Mizuki s1m3 is a good afk skill

[glass monolith]

My lumen is still level 1

and i took someone maxed Mizuki to no brain H7-4

[soft crystal]

Wait what does mizuki do in h7-4

Do you just plop him down

[glass monolith]

Attached Warf S2M3 as well

And then magic happened

Imagine out of all enemies only Patriot phase 2, damaged Sarkaz fighter leaders and whatever is shit from bottom remains

[scarlet ledge]

@lethal dragon https://youtu.be/18h5phdjpBs

[copper vale]

Any tips for how I can throw a frozen city team together with these ops that doesn't involve having to promote and level Shaw's skill? I tried borrowing Thorns and Blaze, using SA s2+Horn in the background with S2 but SA usually can't keep up once three enemies pile up and he gets frozen, and my bottom lane tends to go boom around 300 because Thorns can't prio the spiders in time.

and Blaze goes boom earlier for the same reason, plus no second good fast redeploy yet

i kinda feel like if I could afford to put Horn on bottom lane with either her s1 or s3, spiders would cease to be an issue and bottom would hold, but then I'd need to borrow someone specifically to hold back lane and i'd start running out of deploy space to actually put SA down for anything

(also i forgot to update that krooster with e1-60 sl7 Ifrit)

[gentle finch]

test

[surreal star]

what’s your current setup?

[copper vale]

gonna try it with horn+SA covering bottom lane, borrowing mudrock for back lane and see how that goes

i'll post a ss once i have everyone down

[surreal star]

are you using lapp anywhere?

[copper vale]

i meant to have amiya set to s1 instead of s2 but i'll see how far this gets

[surreal star]

can you link your krooster? i think there's some ops missing in the ss you sent earlier

[copper vale]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/Oromis#4280

[surreal star]

ty

testing this setup rn

[copper vale]

...huh, guardmiya?

i guess she doesn't get frozen

that block 1 is some cause for concern tho

[surreal star]

yeah

[turbid badge]

oo

[surreal star]

mine is holding up fine so far

not sure about 300+ though

alternate setup

ok nvm

[oblique thorn]

6-7 is af hard
I'll try more.

[surreal star]

there's no consistent way to deal with the shieldguards

something like this maybe

though amiya will probably struggle

[livid delta]

Those shieldguards are gonna fuck you up when they move up with an ice spider lol

[surreal star]

ye

maybe this is just a mly moment tbh

[livid delta]

Wait for Texas then proceed to s3 everything

[surreal star]

top side looks like it'll have drone problems

[copper vale]

i think the drones tend to hover like one tile to the left of where ifrit would be able to hit

two tiles in front of lapp and spot

[surreal star]

oh

this could work

but i'm stumped tbh

[copper vale]

amiya is in range there of the top altar that spawns later on

[surreal star]

move ptilo to the right one

wait

[copper vale]

is the problem

[surreal star]

yeah

[copper vale]

you need to move amiya and horn down one tile for amiya to not get ganked

horn will get chilled but that's fine

...probably

[oblique thorn]

Don't know how but I win this battle

[tawny solar]

i tried to kyostinV 9-19 and it didn't work

help

[livid delta]

Why didn't it work lol

[ancient hearth]

borrow dorothy

pretty much any decent leveled E2 dorothy on any M3 skill will kill regular spiders in 2 mines, red spiders in 2-3, and the mines don't care about shieldguard taunt

[latent anvil]

Mmm, people yesterday did that stage- they pushed pillar and used mlynar for phase1, then drop all pillar and do phase2, borrow ntrk or surtr good

You have lots of time tbh, you can ntrk+mlynar phase 1 and then just drop pillar and ntrk again phase2, not too complicated I think

[ancient hearth]

I don't think the account has enough healing to stall mandra phase 1

might need to borrow a lumen

[copper vale]

he doesn't have guard amiya yet

is why

[ancient hearth]

then level schwarz into E2 at at least S3M1, and she + mylnar should be more than capable to killing phase 2

[copper vale]

guard amiya has 60% arts dodge during skill up so she takes a lot less damage on top of 20 res

[latent anvil]

they got help in #help i think

[ancient hearth]

caster amiya is guard amiya

[copper vale]

it's not max pot

[ancient hearth]

you can see the E2 there

[copper vale]

so he hasn't gotten past ch7 yet

[ancient hearth]

oh, yeah, kek

wait, people E2 Amiya before then?

everybody I know kept her at E1 before hitting JT8-2

[tawny solar]

i'm pretty sure i'm just stupid

cus

i tried that

and i don't know why

it's been ten tries

it hasn't worked

[tawny solar]

i just don't wanna do it later on

and also true damage is nice for a lotta bosses

[scarlet fulcrum]

U have more than enough for mandra, left lane also covered well imo, right lane barely matter

[tawny solar]

how do i deal with right lane

[copper vale]

you're technically supposed to e2 amiya for patriot if you don't have any other ways of brute forcing him

[tawny solar]

ik i need a defender

but what do i add on top of htat

that

[scarlet fulcrum]

U have saria

[copper vale]

which back when he came out i don't think there were any ways of brute forcing him

[ancient hearth]

literally the brain dead strat is to stall mandra in phase 1 with 2 strong healers and any melee unit with res and some bulk
pre damage all the pillars during the stall, enemies stop spawning until mandra goes to phase 2
let the staller chip damage her to death, might take 40 minutes but it happens eventually
pillars deals a little under 25% of her hp in phase 2, just drop them on her with a fast redeploy or any melee unit really
then cherry tap her

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u want easy time borrow thorns or schwarz/pozy

[ancient hearth]

he has schwarz, just e1

[tawny solar]

i'm kinda broke

[scarlet fulcrum]

Borrow thorns then, he can cover right lane and dps mandra

[full finch]

is this 9-19?

[copper vale]

mlynar will hold right side easy, borrow thorns for left side and make sure you have one op later to block the gargoyles/help damage them later

[ancient hearth]

but he doesn't need it, mlynar alone should be enough to kill with only 2 pillars dropped on her in phase 2

[copper vale]

if you can stall mandra's p1 the rest of the map is free

[full finch]

thorns holds the entire left side by himself, including gargoyles, unless you're on CM

[copper vale]

thorns was slightly slacking on damage at e260/s3m3

for the gargoyles once they started flying

[full finch]

mine was lv80, so it should be pretty close

[ancient hearth]

his account's issue is that he doesn't have the healling needed to stall mandra phase 1

[tawny solar]

i borrowed someone's lvl 90

[ancient hearth]

no good single target healers

[tawny solar]

thorns

[full finch]

what is the DPS for mandra

[copper vale]

640 attack, 1.8 attack interval when skill isn't active>1s interval when active

so 355 off-skill, 640 on

[full finch]

???
what unit is being used for DPS against mandra

[ancient hearth]

640 arts for the beam

[copper vale]

oh

hurr

[civic nest]

heard they’re using ntrk and mlynar

[full finch]

that should be enough

[tawny solar]

i don't have eihter

wait

no i'm not

like

[civic nest]

oh

[tawny solar]

i keep failing

[civic nest]

who was it again

[tawny solar]

cus i keep forgetting to remove my ops

from the pillars

;-;

[copper vale]

ntrk s3 should be fine, yeah?

[civic nest]

so u do have both?

[ancient hearth]

skill issue

[full finch]

you have mlynar?

[tawny solar]

and then after i get past the preloading pillars i jujst can't stall mandra

[tawny solar]

only the uncle

[full finch]

consider borrowing suzuran or aak

[scarlet fulcrum]

With good timing u dont need to worry about ur ops in pillar

[latent anvil]

they have

low lvl mlynar

[full finch]

oh

[latent anvil]

so they are borrowing uncle

[latent anvil]

here

[full finch]

add silverash

borrow suzuran

[ancient hearth]

just borrow lumen to help you stall mandra phase 1, then drop 3 pillars on her and even low e2 mlynar with no masteries will finish the job

[full finch]

redeploy all for phase 2

iirc mandra can't dunk primed pillars

[ancient hearth]

she can iirc

[latent anvil]

she totally can

[full finch]

huh

why didn't she when I tried it then

[latent anvil]

my mountain primes pillar, and then i deactivate mountain, and then mountain pillar falls on him right after

[ancient hearth]

there is simply a time delay and you can deploy a unit to do the last hit before her skill can topple it

[latent anvil]

i think the range is really weird

[full finch]

I deployed bagpipe on a pillar and she successfully knocked it down

[ancient hearth]

her skill is only available when she's hovering and has a significant time delay

[full finch]

makes sense ig

[latent anvil]

well

primed pillar and then you place op

will make op hit it and it will fall on mandra yes

[ancient hearth]

you have like a good 5s between the UI showing you she's targetting the pillar and mandra actually doin git

[latent anvil]

but if you just leave op next to prime, the primed pillar will fall on that op

[scarlet ledge]

so pro

[ancient hearth]

you can hit it yourself in that time frame

[latent anvil]

leite

[scarlet ledge]

i use primal wall nut to defeat mandra

[latent anvil]

how to fix lmd issue

[scarlet ledge]

stall

🤯

[civic nest]

best wall nut 🔥

[latent anvil]

i played 9-19 so many time yesterday

[tawny solar]

i almost got it

almost

[scarlet ledge]

dont raise ops

[tawny solar]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[latent anvil]

impossible to lose with my rarity and level ops

[tawny solar]

I ALMOST GOT PAST 9-19

BUT NO

PILLAR MECHANICS

MAKE NO SENSE

[civic nest]

damn he’s going crazy

[tawny solar]

[latent anvil]

how

[scarlet ledge]

i finished JM
currently at chp9 day 11

[latent anvil]

prepare pillar, and then drop pillar on boss

[ancient hearth]

look, just find a 9-19 video that shows you how and where to stall mandra

[civic nest]

magnifying glass top tier trust me

[scarlet ledge]

well u can spam sunflower

[ancient hearth]

you will have forever to prepare the pillars and redeploy so nobody is in there drop range

[scarlet ledge]

and let glass do its job

[tawny solar]

ugh

[civic nest]

highest dps if ur rich

wat a steal

literally

[scarlet ledge]

what his ops?

9-19

just curious

[civic nest]

.

[latent anvil]

@scarlet ledge

[full finch]

here

[scarlet ledge]

oh uncle there

just do pillar management

[latent anvil]

uncle make game simple

[scarlet ledge]

btw u can cancel mandra laser if u drop pillar

[tawny solar]

AAAAA

[scarlet ledge]

what happen

[tawny solar]

mandra phase 2

[scarlet ledge]

???

[tawny solar]

why

[scarlet ledge]

oh lul

[tawny solar]

mandra keeps deleting my pillars for no reason

[latent anvil]

for no reason huh

[civic nest]

u have ops in the pillars rampage

[latent anvil]

why you place op next to pillar

[civic nest]

range

shit

u literally set up pillar so u can push it on her first

[scarlet ledge]

mandra see ops in pillar rnage

dont even bother using invi on pillar range

she will still drop it

[ancient hearth]

the only reason to put ops in pillar range are if you are absolutely sure you can knock it down first, or to make her knock it down on herself

[scarlet ledge]

"late to knock it and dies"

hello feel

[ancient hearth]

hey

anyways, gravel knows the job she's been given

you pretty much had to do this in trials for navigator on the mandra map

[tawny solar]

hm

hmmm

ok i'm placing liskarm instead of saria down

[latent anvil]

If I'm gonna be honest

Idk how much that changes

[ancient hearth]

if anythign it makes it worse since e2 saria has res while e1 liskarm has none

[tawny solar]

I BEAT MANDRAGORA

[tawny solar]

liskarm kept dying at bottom right

also

nightingale's arts resistance is actually bonkers

[latent anvil]

ng second favorite operator

anyways you beat the stage? gj

[tawny solar]

tyy

that was a mental task

kyostinV didn't help me there lmfao

[latent anvil]

lol

[tawny solar]

thanks

[latent anvil]

What about h8-4

[tawny solar]

wat

oh

[latent anvil]

I feel like that one is a bit worse

[tawny solar]

me still not past lungmen

arc

i'm doing both at once

[latent anvil]

[tawny solar]

yes that's right im still on chapter 5

😎

chapter 9 is so hard

[latent anvil]

you could uh

go do chapter 5 instead

[tawny solar]

i couldn't have gotten past it without mlynar and silverash

[flat sapphire]

they're episodes

[tawny solar]

shut

[latent anvil]

[tawny solar]

chapter sounds better than episode

[flat sapphire]

but they are in fact

episodes

[tawny solar]

ik

[latent anvil]

I didn't

[flat sapphire]

[latent anvil]

but i need to max my base gains

also my horn and cheeto still both e0

this game gives no resources 🚮

[full finch]

skill issue

[flat sapphire]

sounds like bad base

[full finch]

[latent anvil]

i need pozy

so that i can switch to 4 gold and have tuye proviso stonks

[scarlet ledge]

cringe

[latent anvil]

[full finch]

cringe

[latent anvil]

[ancient hearth]

you, um, might want to finish the first part of the story before trying chapter 10
because chapter 10 is worse

[tawny solar]

oh

ok

well

uh

uh

uh

[latent anvil]

jessica alter

[tawny solar]

i just saw jessica if she wasn't a wuss

this story playbnack is a million years long

[copper vale]

kirn once again dropping strats except it was possibly the silliest thing i saw at first that actually ended up working

@surreal star take a look at this lmao

poor thorns getting put in the fuckin freezer, coming out every ten seconds just to be incredibly angry and then getting shoved back in

[surreal star]

nice

if it works it works

[copper vale]

the funny thing too is i was trying to click purestream's skill

and somehow accidentally retreated amiya

"hold up where'd she- oh no"

it had zero impact on the run

[gentle finch]

nice clear

[flat sapphire]

iirc naga used heavyrain to dodge freeze

[empty hawk]

[copper vale]

what on earth does heavyrain do for that

...do the altars count as physical attacks

[flat sapphire]

camo

so he doesn't get frozen

[copper vale]

huh.

i didn't think that worked

[flat sapphire]

totally does

try it somewhere in ep6

[lethal dragon]

Pogg

[sly drift]

Which is the hardest IS boss.. Jellyfish included.

[cosmic dagger]

Well there ya go you included the hardest one

Mizuki is the hardest

[pale orchid]

Alright not including end 4 boss, which is the hardest

[cosmic dagger]

Knight

He requires some very specific drafts

While isharmla is just dps check

[surreal star]

omg al you're back

how long has it been since i've last seen you

[cosmic dagger]

And you can get dps using a morbillion ways

[surreal star]

like a year?

[flat sapphire]

omg weeboo

been a while

[cosmic dagger]

The hard part of isharmla is probably getting f6 double pompeii instead of the actual boss fight

Bit of a slay the spire moment

[sly drift]

As the one who haven't play IS3 I actually cannot think any effective strategy against knight. I mean, everyone start freezing the time they attack knight lmao. It's just crazy

[pale orchid]

Alright time for mr nothing propaganda from Kermit

[storm current]

hint

knight is not immuned to sleep

in IS you can get sp relics

[sly drift]

GG excluded btw. I have seen GG drone aren't affected by the cold.

[cosmic dagger]

It's my time to shine

I wrote a thing specifically so I can ctrl-c ctrl-v in times like these

• Last Knight has two variants of chill applied when getting hit: Phase 1 above 50% hp - 2s, Phase 1 below 50% hp and phase 2 - 4s.
• Mr Nothing talent with mod3 is: After 3 seconds of not attacking, next attack inflicts 5 seconds of stun. The lightbulbs should be going off in your head now.
• We first ignore the 2s variant and discuss the 4s variant. The general cycle goes: Mr Nothing attacks twice -> gets himself frozen for 4s -> this triggers his talent, next attack stuns for 5s. The entire cycle takes longer than 5s, but because LK's attack windup is quite long, Mr Nothing gets his stunning attack off which interrupts the windup
• This starts to fall apart in phase 2 though, where LK is unblockable and thus instead of going through the windup, he will just slowly waddle away. This is where rolling the correct color on s2 matters. You want the attack speed variant (duh) to shorten the attack interval between the 2 attacks that freezes himself but also the windup of the stunning attack he performs after triggering talent. This is still not perfect, as even with M2's maximal attack speed gain, the entire cycle is still longer than 5s, so LK will still move a little between each cycle.
• This is where we discuss how that's still acceptable. The two variants that I had a lot of success with is either with Kal S3 true damage or Weedy in phase 2. The premise is that LK only restores himself to 25% max hp in phase 2, so Kal works by 2/3 cycling (depending on masteries and levels) LK with Mr Nothing stalling for cooldown between cycles. While LK will still move a little between cycles, the movement is not enough to cover 2 tiles before Kal kills him. Weedy works a little differently: LK only has weight 5 as opposed to Highmore's weight 6, so each push will push by 0.4 tiles instead of 0.1 tiles. This is still not enough to perma stall LK, but it is indeed enough to stall for your main team's redeploy to finish him off.

[gentle finch]

wow!

[cosmic dagger]

• We then move on to the 2s chill variant. You obviously cannot make the 3s requirement of stun if Mr Nothing only gets frozen for 2s. This is fine. His s2 activations actually interrupts his attack windup, and we can use the toggle the bridge the last second to trigger his talent, thereby still perma CCing LK in the 2s variant
• Regarding the CC relic perma cc point, when he has CC relic, his stun will instead become 10s, and LK will never move in Phase 2 as the stun duration is vastly longer than the interval. This way, there's no need to prepare a kill option for phase 2, just redeploy your team as usual and finish him off

As for erato, the 5s sleep ensures talent trigger, so no need to carpal tunnel the first half of phase 1

[gentle finch]

🛐

[pale orchid]

Meanwhile I’m over here without mr nothing

[coral heart]

who's that

[lethal dragon]

Holy dalalo

[lethal dragon]

Nothing

[copper vale]

i was about to say can you just use Horn with S1 or S2 and a status resist medic, but naw he has fucking 4k def

and 100k HP

oh he's like big sad lock where there's a relic for it

[storm current]

Yes, with relic he get -80% def

But thats it

[livid delta]

I just picked up the funniest combo

Muelsyse S3 + Dorothy + this relic

Bear had to hit each clone 3 times and she kept popping up more clones

[vernal lion]

but honestly, IS3 LK of 2nd ending is still easy even with 4 star op clear

[cosmic dagger]

lol

i was gonna flame but lol is more appropriate

[gentle finch]

lol

[livid delta]

excuse me wtf is this (is3 spoiler ig)

[vernal lion]

haha

[livid delta]

is this funny cause I'm not laughing

[vernal lion]

there's other 10 enemies, who's that

[latent anvil]

wtfart sock spai

[cosmic dagger]

you took the book from the medic

then rolled poorly i think

which resulted in this stage

its so fucking rare that i must congratulate you

[livid delta]

THEY TAKE 2 HEALTH EACH

[latent anvil]

[cosmic dagger]

i think ive seen that stage like twice

and ive played is3 god knows how many times

[pale orchid]

idk why but this statment is cracking me up

[hollow stream]

how to beat 10-16

the fucking gorgedrinker aoe dmgs my fucking tanks

fuck seaborns and fuck chap10 enemies

[lucid pebble]

whats a good support unit for 5-3 CM?

[vernal lion]

isn't that Kal'tsit solo stage lol

[hollow stream]

😰

[vernal lion]

Surtr s3 facing up and down,
or Phantom s2 still works

[lucid pebble]

thanks

[hollow stream]

how

[foggy grove]

wow dalao 1 op ing 10-16

he is drunk

[vernal lion]

wait it's 10-16 not 10-6

mb

@hollow stream

[hollow stream]

[vernal lion]

borrow Chalter

put Chalter on the most top tile, facing right

first proc her s3 to kill the first chain caster and deactivate it to let it charge skill to full ammo again

[lucid pebble]

thanks, surtr worked

[vernal lion]

[livid delta]

ok d12 done

[vernal lion]

iirc you didn't play any IS2 right

instead now is IS3

[livid delta]

I got all the castle notes for is2 in global

[vernal lion]

so it's CN acc

[livid delta]

ya

[vernal lion]

first I thought he's immune to cc effect

now this is just easy boss

[limpid siren]

famous last words

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vePGTbU7qrA

[limpid siren]

holy shit

it's homework

i bow down

[elder flume]

en wont have stain enforcer

thats one strat down

[cosmic dagger]

d0 pog!

[elder flume]

i was gona go enforcer support till they removed stunbot day 1

[cosmic dagger]

People keep talking about the -80% def relic but they don't realize that the dudes as squishy as blue poison or something with that relic

It's so hard to protect him on higher diff

Honestly quite incredible

[vernal lion]

wait is there enemy aspd difficulty ?

[cosmic dagger]

I think only one

But yes

[vernal lion]

wait why does the mf big range caster hit so fast

[cosmic dagger]

The broodmother or whatever?

You get used to it

[vernal lion]

this one

[cosmic dagger]

oh the wolumonde bros

they dont hit particularly hard even on max difficulty

its whatever

[vernal lion]

I just don't know why his aspd is so fucking fast

[rose patrol]

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002227534622117918.png?quality=lossless

ATK down my beloved

[latent anvil]

how to make is2 fun

have like 30 more levels for candles to go

its so boring

[civic nest]

niche knight

i take that back

3* wasn’t fun

[novel pivot]

this sss is just irene gaming on steroids

[pale orchid]

Start ebenholz

[latent anvil]

...

[lethal dragon]

Did you guys try młynar

I forgot to pick Irene