strategy

[scarlet ledge]

https://youtu.be/YY2XWoSHfIc

[latent anvil]

why that crab invincible

[glass monolith]

HE RETREATS CRAB WHILE BOSS CHARGES

Btw Vergil can't do that because his dog get oneshot

[lilac laurel]

What you guys used in H11-1 to deal with top lane?

The Maws and the dogs are a nightmare

Wtf is this map, feels like CC for some reason

[glass monolith]

My H11-1 top lane was in range of at same time Mlynar, Kroos alter and Goldenglow

[lilac laurel]

I'm not used to struggle with dogs

[glass monolith]

For me it reminds LE-EX-7 (Sax guy map)

[latent anvil]

I think I used GG s2 and gavial

[lilac laurel]

When dogs are a challenge you know shit is getting crazy

[latent anvil]

With ntrk to kill the guys that eat everything

Maybe suzu s2 as well, I forgot

[lilac laurel]

Maps crazy

[ancient hearth]

if your ranged units have slow or other crowd control, just use them to kill instead of trying to block the dogs

[cursive mango]

my goal this week is to finish stage 5 if I can

[scarlet ledge]

krooster and pallas

[cursive mango]

is there an ETA on texasalter?

or "around" a few weeks time

[glass monolith]

Stream about most likely texas alter in 1 week for JP

How long it takes from stream to update i don't know

[fresh copper]

Chapter 11 dogs are built different

[glass monolith]

It will be epic clown fest if JP go ahead of EN

[fresh copper]

To the point where they're actually elite enemies

[glass monolith]

Deploy Skadi + Gladiia against dogs. Have both die in 2 dogs

out of 6

[scarlet ledge]

dog u

[latent anvil]

[cursive mango]

7:40 for recruitment and hope for 4 star, not 5 because 5 wont happen mmmm

[glass monolith]

If you pick no tags 9:00 is same as 7:40 but you pay more LMD.
If you have tags 9:00 suppose to have less chance to drop them than 7:40 (Exception - Robot tag will always drop above 3:50 as it excludes 1 stars from pool)
Senior/Top tag can't drop if set to 9:00

[cursive mango]

so if rare tag, always 9

otherwise 740

or if trying for robot like 1

[glass monolith]

Guaranteed 5* and 6* tags got fancy color to not skip. Otherwise look for combos which may give you higher rarity unless some of tags drop

Like - Nuker will give you Cutter in 99% cases. If you get Nuker + Sniper/Ranged you can get Firewatch instead

[cursive mango]

ooo

is the yellow 5 star combos?

[glass monolith]

it is which tag combos give 5 and 4 stars

Grey - 4 star. Yellow - 5 star

[cursive mango]

aaa I see

[ancient hearth]

I've gotten a 5 * off a no tag recruitment once. It does happen, just very rare.

[glass monolith]

You can use https://aceship.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/akhr.html to see potential characters from each combo

i had more 5* no tags recruits than Seniour operators, fuck this game RNG on rare events

[cursive mango]

Ye..

I still need castle

But no robot tags

[glass monolith]

I got my first castle like month ago

after almost 1.5 year of this game

i have god damn pot 5 justice knight

[cursive mango]

What would the easiest rotation annihilation be?

Apart from first 3

[ancient hearth]

honestly, the current one

[glass monolith]

Define easy. Annihilation 9 was La Pluma showcase

[cursive mango]

Ez would be, no dodgey out of scope operators needed and could do at E1

[ancient hearth]

the originium dust annihilation is harder if only for the lag

[gloomy panther]

Anybody have any tips on how to stall the H11-4 boss?

I can either hold the waves of dogs + tanks or I can hold the boss, but not both...

[glass monolith]

Dogs go left, boss will circle map for a while before going right

If you try to stall boss on dog path tile, your issue

[gloomy panther]

I'm stalling boss in middle of map, but then the tanks come and kill the entire setup instantly

[glass monolith]

Do you have leveled chain caster?

(They are very good at spawnkilling tanks. Tanks can't attack high ground)

[gloomy panther]

Sadly no. I do have snipers, but I assume they can't do the job.

[glass monolith]

Yea you need something arts to kill tanks efficiently, they have 900 def

[ancient hearth]

if you hold box towards the right of the map instead of the center it lets you spit tasks a bit easier

if you're going to stall in the middle, you'll need 2 ops to cycle to kill the elite spawns off

This is was my general setup, cycling mlynar and ebenholz to kill the spawns

[gloomy panther]

Is there any operator who can handle the dogs alone?

I swear without healing these dogs hit harder than bosses

[gentle finch]

alone

eh

there are ops that can kill easily and safely like kirin yato but she isn't out yet and no laneholder comes to mind that can actually kill one of those dogs solo

consistently

maybe mountain but he'd surely die

eventually

[glass monolith]

I had Nearl defender hold dogs long enough to give me time to bring in snipers to actually kill them

[gentle finch]

that works

[ancient hearth]

alone? you'll need something like skadi with the AH buff or spalter with the same

[sonic willow]

mountain solos one dog

then dies to the 2nd

[ancient hearth]

he doesn't really kill fast enough to prevent them from stacking up

and once the 2nd dog stacks he's dead

19.2k hp on the dogs

[gentle finch]

lmao

[glass monolith]

This dog is power creep never seen before

[ancient hearth]

but seriously, just use 2 ranged ops on them, just have at least one of them with some sort of slow

[sonic willow]

the dogs really are just elite enemies. they only get a lot of hate because they look like dogs brain says weak, but actually not

[ancient hearth]

their defense is trash but their hp is miniboss level

so physical damage is the way

[glass monolith]

It is little funny how defense of enemies in chapter 11 just jumps between 200 and 2000

[sonic willow]

game saying "no you can't chalter this one"

[gentle finch]

lmao

@cosmic dagger is krooster mod decent or skip able

for is3 purposes mainly

[cosmic dagger]

skippable

[gentle finch]

neat

building her rn

lmao I'm looking at my sniper chip auto deploy and i was using fia S1

[gentle finch]

ok done

[quartz pendant]

What's the secret here

Do I need like, project red or gravel for this or hwat

[latent anvil]

the secret? dont let boss die

or the secret as in the trick, which is borrow goldenglow

or mlynar

[quartz pendant]

Okay gee didn't think of THAT

I have goldenglow but she just DIES cause of the funny drones

[ancient hearth]

her S3 is a global skill

so, idk how she's getting in range

[latent anvil]

eh the one drone comes out the bottom

and goes right

[quartz pendant]

Yes, I know, but the fuckers move 😭

[ancient hearth]

every drone but one doesn't move soon enough to kill goldenglow

and that drone you can bait with a ground unit

[latent anvil]

i mean honestly you can put her somewhere not at the bottom just with bait, and then after that drone shes under dies, she will be safe rest of stage

[gentle finch]

there's no drones to kill her

[latent anvil]

steward+bait even works to dps other drones btw

[gentle finch]

bottom left

until the last drone spawns in

[quartz pendant]

Bottom left with bait..

I will use....

Saria

[latent anvil]

surely saria tanks infinitely and then the stage becomes free.... surely....

[quartz pendant]

[gentle finch]

oh

directions

bottom right @quartz pendant

there's no drones there

[gentle finch]

until this

[jaunty bluff]

seriously considering raising all AH for H11-4

otherwise there's no easy videos to follow

[latent anvil]

borrow nian

a very strong nian with mod

[hollow forum]

mod 3 lvl 60+ nian can tank comfortably

even without shining

[latent anvil]

then its very easy to do whatever the heck you want

[jaunty bluff]

oh word I'll try finding Nian on #friend-id

they rarely accept anyone without maxed level M9 ops on support

[latent anvil]

my nian is a bit defective

[quartz pendant]

Thank you

[jaunty bluff]

define defective amigo

[quartz pendant]

Did it with 2* cause of a leak

[gentle finch]

rip

[hollow forum]

if you wanna cope then you can try and find one ingame

because you really only need mod 3 and level 60+, not masteries

though nian would be best on s2

[latent anvil]

mod1 💀 i have 4 digit lmd rn, cant upgrade

mod is what allows her to survive easily

[gentle finch]

mhm

[latent anvil]

ive had <5 digit lmd for 3 weeks (probably gonna start saying 4)

[jaunty bluff]

Oh I'm not trying to find a maxed Nian, I meant they rarely accept someone who dont max their ops like me

I'll try though

maybe gonna try on kukki's discord as well

[gentle finch]

@jaunty bluff you can test your luck in #help asking once

[jaunty bluff]

alrighty

[lethal dragon]

Me chilling at 4m

[gentle finch]

i just E2 60d module krooster from e0 but I'm still above 2mil

[limpid siren]

kinda based

[latent anvil]

I was chilling above 3m until mods came out and then I modded literally everyone 💀

[gentle finch]

why

[turbid badge]

On cn or en

[gentle finch]

EN

My CN account is quite low level

wtf

i just did a free pull on cn and got a 6*

[lethal dragon]

Module and masteries when

[jaunty bluff]

Can Cuora+Module withstand SK's beeg hit?

[latent anvil]

Doubt it...not sure tho

[gentle finch]

off skill? nope

actually i have to test it

since I'm not sure but from the guys who come here for help every day

doubt

[hollow forum]

I'm pretty sure you need at least shamare and roberta for that

maybe even mousse too

[jaunty bluff]

Ah, maybe Cuora+Mod with Roberta's buff? or Skalter

[gentle finch]

Roberta helps yeah

some guy did a mousse Shamare Roberta thing cycle

and it worked

[jaunty bluff]

Wait why Mousse?

[gentle finch]

she can debuff atk

of enemies

[lethal dragon]

With skill definitely

[jaunty bluff]

Whoa, it's gonna be tough keeping Mousse alive I guess?

[lethal dragon]

Her Def goes upto 2k

[lethal dragon]

Split box so coura blocks him and mousse can ATK from cuora's back

[jaunty bluff]

Oh right, so letting SK enter the target tile first and then deploy Cuora in it I see

Arrghhh I might not have the brain capacity to pull that shiz

Since we only need Mousse's debuff, I guess E1 Sl7 is enough then?

wow her S1M3 reduce 40% attack that's crazy

vs Sl7 with only 25%

[hollow forum]

if you don't want to put in actual effort then cope and look for a nian

that's all there is to it, really

or you can cycle defenders I guess

[gentle finch]

mhm

[jaunty bluff]

I just sent a bunch of request to Nian havers. Gonna wait for awhile now

[gentle finch]

gl

[jaunty bluff]

Nian S2 or S3?

[hollow forum]

s2

but as long as she is mod 3 lvl 60+

she can tank off skill just fine

the skill doesn't even need to be m3

hence why I said you can cope and look ingame

because all you need is sufficient mod and level

[latent anvil]

I mean, you can even do hoshi and just pray she always dodges some of the attacks

[hollow forum]

[gaunt ravine]

will someone handhold me 10-17 im using maleknights and i have no idea what to do. i have trouble with the mass redeploying

[sonic willow]

@sly pivot

[jaunty bluff]

Finally! So after trying on my own, Nian mod1 is enough to withstand just barely, but she needs Lv90. Her HP after the big hit reduced to 100ish without skill. Now with skill activated, she's a super tank.

What surprised me the most was Surtr... I've never succeeded in trying to keep her alive the other day, but in this she didn't die from phase 1 to phase 2. Warf only sl7, so that really caught me off guard.

The other mvp is Mudrock + seaborn combo. Without seaborn, my lv60 Mudrock wouldn't have a chance to solo the left side.

Thanks for the tips fellas!

[gentle finch]

lmao

did you win

or did the trees fuck you up

seems like you won

gg

[rocky anvil]

I've also beaten H11-4 a couple hours ago by using Specter Alter and 2 FD to stall the boss

[gentle finch]

E2 gravel tanks two normal hits

or 3

well m3

[rocky anvil]

She can tank every hit except the charged attack cuz she got healed to full HP pretty quickly by Lumen

[sonic willow]

wait, mudrock can hold left lane vs dogs?

[rocky anvil]

And she's also M3

[gentle finch]

interesting

[jaunty bluff]

Trees almost fucked up Mudrock but I stalled them for a few minute with NTR, Myrtle, Bagpepe

And then boom! Mlynar skill activated

[jaunty bluff]

It's all thanks to Mlynar tbh

Mudrock just defending

Those doggos bastard

[rocky anvil]

The trees got me when I killed the boss for the first time because all of my DPS operators are at cooldown

[gentle finch]

@edgy stag added

[jaunty bluff]

Yeah we need to kill trees one by one while also trying to pay attention in killing SK

[rocky anvil]

I only managed to kill one tree during that round, but luckily my SA, Mlynar, and Gnosis recharged their skill on time, so I managed to burst the rest of them in the middle lane

[graceful bear]

So
Shining, Skalter M3, and Mousse M3 means pretty much any E2 defender can facetank Steam Knight with absolutely no issue off skill cooldown

All my strats failed because I. Didn't. Bring. My. Skalter.

[sonic willow]

the trick is to stall the boss and kill the trees one by one

so you don't scramble at the end when trees wake up at the same time

[gentle finch]

shining S2?

or S3

[graceful bear]

S2

SL 7

[gentle finch]

thought so

i see

[graceful bear]

Cuora never went below half HP

I didn't know Skalter gave that much DEF, or was it being multiplied by all of Cuora's multipliers?

[rocky anvil]

Yeah I was planning on doing that, but I got too carried in stalling the boss that I forgot to get the other trees

[graceful bear]

I wonder if this also works on Emperor's Blade

[foggy grove]

it doesn't multiplied,just flat def buff last

90 skal gives like 157 def

[storm current]

Inspire is added at the end of calculation

Shining flat def up is before the multiplier

[graceful bear]

Interesting

[foggy grove]

oh yeah my wording can be misinterpreted,should have specified inspire

[vernal lion]

impressive

[elder flume]

now sleep them all

[vernal lion]

[gloomy panther]

Lol apparently Jaye s2 can solo the dogs in the left lane

[vernal lion]

yea, healing by number so he does his job well

[gloomy panther]

tfw all your six stars are powercrept by jaye

[vernal lion]

just don't let it touching your op

Howl's Moving Castle:
Hool's Moving Castle:

[tidal sedge]

I was wondering if someone would test Ho'ol s3 vs Lucian

[vernal lion]

I drop link here
https://youtu.be/aDs5T_Wd0C4

[tidal sedge]

Not a bili vid, I'm a bit surprised

Also this vid made remember Amiya's class change

I really should be drafting Gamiya more

[lethal dragon]

Tornadoes are so unsatisfying
Just because they are single target and only deals DMG once

[cinder vector]

im pretty sure thats also a bili vid

nope nvm its a different one

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nL411a7ry/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=f1889b667fbd19f9749ad64f285765bd

here if u want to see, the thumbnail looked very similar

[elder flume]

Hmm

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah the +1 block thing is broken

[glass monolith]

Hm.... Try to beat SN rerun with my own power of stupidity. Or repeat "just Gnosis it"

[eager gate]

W all the Wable stages, which is prooobably most of them

[pale orchid]

i cant wait to annhilate the event with gnosis

once it reruns

[glass monolith]

Wait during rerun i will need to finish each stage once again.... FUCK

S-3

[weak peak]

is there some kinda strat on getting high annihilation score with a new-ish account? possibly from borrowing certain units. Mlynar, Archetto, Kal, Mudrock all at E2, could I get 400?

[indigo pulsar]

those would be sufficient for a bunch of scenarios, but i'd say thorns would be one of the better borrows

[indigo pulsar]

if you tell us the annihilation and your current roster, we could fashion together a strat to clear it (usually just referencing clear videos and patchworking different parts together)

[weak peak]

i also have myrtle

watery tidehollow and the shipyard

[main halo]

This is quite a pain clearing with that team

[weak peak]

maybe someone like ling could do it?

[gleaming lodge]

Borrow Lappland and you should be more than fine

For shipyard at least

[weak peak]

there’s a part in shipyard where all my units die cause of arrows iirc, is there some kind of strat for that?

[indigo pulsar]

it's been a while since i've done the watery tidehollow (annihilation 8) so some things may need to be adjusted,
borrow a thorns to take care of the top left
put snipers to take care of the right side and then use your mudrock or kal'tsit to plug up the hole
bring a fast redeploy like gravel to poke the flowers that spawn on the bottom
add a wandering medic if you have one, but not going to be necessary

[frozen plover]

You need some additional stall for red flowers

And mr first to speak might decide to ruin your run

[indigo pulsar]

for the shipyard, just build or borrow a lappland—place her above the stairs (facing left or up) so that the mobs don't drop goop when they die

[sly pivot]

hello

[weak peak]

stall so someone like gravel?

[sly pivot]

u online?

i can help

i can give tips and tricks

[frozen plover]

more or less but keep an op on standby incase

[weak peak]

what level do i get her to? i don’t have her built

[frozen plover]

uhh

any tbh

[indigo pulsar]

just lvl 1 is fine, but higher levels will let her stall the flowers for longer

although, i think she'll get stunned first after a point

[weak peak]

gonna try and use kal instead, which tile do i place the stall op again?

[indigo pulsar]

right next to the red box is fine

[weak peak]

top or right?

or does it not matter

[indigo pulsar]

the right, i don't think flowers come out the top

[weak peak]

will there be any who can kill my snipers at the top right? also can lvl 90 thorns hold the lane solo? or do i help him out with some snipers?

[indigo pulsar]

he'll probably be fine solo

[weak peak]

and the snipers? will they need healers later or no

[indigo pulsar]

you may want to put some blocker behind him in case something leaks though, your vanguard will work fine

your snipers will likely be fine until the boss spawns

[weak peak]

didnt get to the boss before yet, can mlynar handle it? also where does the boss come out?

[indigo pulsar]

the bottom right box, then it walks around the right side

if your snipers are strong enough, they may be able to kill him when he does

[weak peak]

oh i dont have anyone holding the bottom right box, but if i understand you correctly, i wont need one anyway right?

[indigo pulsar]

the only thing that comes out that you need to worry about is a few flowers at the end, but they do one loop around the blue box so all you need to do is poke them when they spawn

you may need a blocker somewhere around your blue box to catch them since they won't die before they enter

[sonic willow]

if you are doing old anni, should be easy

[storm current]

that one is relatively easier than the rest ye

[sonic willow]

if you want to proxy new anni, well, I would recommend e2ing lappland to make it painless

[storm current]

since much lower threat

[sonic willow]

can WM outheal flower sanity damage?

[gleaming lodge]

WM ?

If you're talking about the bell towers, no

[storm current]

whoney merry can

[sonic willow]

like wandering medic + tower

off skill

[indigo pulsar]

looks like the boss will just kill off your snipers when it spawns

[storm current]

i think its a lot more work to do

you can just yato cantabile gravel flower

since hp lost is %

[gleaming lodge]

Just frd your way through yeah

[storm current]

oh ye

if you have kazemaru

she work too

[sonic willow]

you can just use kaltsit to spawn camp left flowers

I wonder if horn handles the right side

[storm current]

yes

ashlock worked for me

fang should

wait

horn not fang

[main halo]

Horn can kill the eggs pretty slowly

She'll do

[gleaming lodge]

Slowly ?

[foggy grove]

just nuke it

[gleaming lodge]

Horn S1 will make an omelette out of them

[foggy grove]

she outrange should be

[storm current]

horn is literally known to be the best egg nuker since CC9

[main halo]

Killing them too fast is pretty much suicide

[gleaming lodge]

Also Firewatch S1 is so cool here

[storm current]

no you dont get it

[foggy grove]

it's not suicide if it's outranged

[storm current]

she kill them before they enter her range

[foggy grove]

[storm current]

or well

their range

[foggy grove]

unless there is no good horn tile?

[main halo]

Oh fair enough

[storm current]

there is

[foggy grove]

it's old anni idr the map

[storm current]

theres a sweat spot

my ashlock needed fang blocker since she doesnt have enough dps

[main halo]

Yeah her S1 can avoid the damage and her talent just makes them her bitch

[storm current]

egg is 0 def 0 res so you can kill them with just about anything

[sonic willow]

something like this

[storm current]

ew no

[sonic willow]

[gleaming lodge]

If orange is FW you should put her one tile up and one tile to the left

[sonic willow]

it's cheeto

[gleaming lodge]

Also pretty sure Horn doesn't block

[sonic willow]

she won't have to

[storm current]

the eggs walk around on the right side mode

[civic nest]

strategy and help confused lets go 🔥🔥

[storm current]

i was on phone

[civic nest]

lol

[storm current]

im malding frozen city on kr alt too much

always lost at the last wave

[sonic willow]

cursed

[storm current]

its the most painful since i need 2 units to hold the left lane

since no actual lane holder

and uh

i never actually look at the guide for this map before

[civic nest]

no borrow yea?

[storm current]

so just went the same strat for my other alt

with borrow

[main halo]

Me neither but took me some time to do so

[civic nest]

ah

[sonic willow]

guide use blocker + shaw

[storm current]

uh

s2?

[sonic willow]

iirc yeah

[storm current]

i wonder if i want to raise shaw to e1

or feater

[main halo]

Frozen city is just a pain in the ass

[storm current]

since non-6* alt

[main halo]

Always lose the final wave

[soft crystal]

still have 48 hours of c11 event?

[civic nest]

non 6* anyway so go feater

[civic nest]

2 more days yea

[weak peak]

so i tried tidehollow and some dudes leaked on the right side, my snipers got killed and mudrock got stunned, how, every other part was fine. also the boss was quite tough, he stunned my mlynar

[hollow forum]

what was your placements like

and in case you haven't noticed, mlynar has taunt, so the boss will always prioritise him as a target first if he is in range

[foggy grove]

bait the boss skill

with frd,it has 20s cd

mlynar taunt is really a hindrance most of the time

[elder flume]

E0 1 mlynar best mlynar bait fr

[weak peak]

so is mlynar bad here?

[storm current]

well you can use him for the boss

[tacit vessel]

some pls explain this, it says it targets the unit with the highest block but it doesn't seem to do that in game, it targets mlynar here, then when I remove him it targets lappland, instead of liskarm who has 3 block im so confused

[storm current]

hes just redundance most of the time

liskarm is standing on vent tile

[foggy grove]

the vent

[storm current]

it give camo so cannon cant detect

[tacit vessel]

[proud drift]

Isn’t mlynar 3block on-skill as well

• taunt

Which bypasses deploy order

[hollow forum]

yeap

3 block + taunt

[weak peak]

so it looked like this, but at points my snipers would die and I would replace it with medics

[storm current]

uh

no honeyberry?

if not then its fine

but no frd seem sketchy as hell

also no why did you retreat vg lol

[foggy grove]

he does but liskarm is blocking slime
so she'll be targetted if only she isn't on the vent tile

[hollow forum]

I don't even think mudrock is needed there

also no frds for the reapers

[storm current]

mudrock in general is bad for UT enemies tho

[hollow forum]

that mlynar placement is also pretty questionable too

are you planning on dealing with the reapers by using may / mlynar / kal?

[storm current]

not sure what may is doing there

[weak peak]

oh this is just a demonstration lol

[weak peak]

i honestly don’t know, i just heard the boss comes out bottom right so i made him face that way

[storm current]

no

[proud drift]

He walks up

[tacit vessel]

ok how do I kill invisy drones

[proud drift]

[storm current]

he come in the bottom right then go to the left side

not middle

[proud drift]

They die on their own

[storm current]

wait

right

not left

[hollow forum]

you don't

[proud drift]

They don’t enter blue box

[hollow forum]

they'll die of cringe by themselves

[proud drift]

They just fly near blue box

[weak peak]

so where do i place mlynar?

[tacit vessel]

my strat for this stage is to place a defender on the side and let them blow up, that's what im supposed to do right?

[proud drift]

No they just die of ligma

read enemy description

[glass monolith]

All drones coded to commit Sudoku before they physically reach blue box. You can speed up it by sending True 3000 sudoku edition directly on them

[proud drift]

I have a question regarding myrtle vs saileach

Myrtle m3 is 22sp 14dp 8duration
Saileach m0 is 29sp 18dp 8 duration
M3 is 26sp 18dp 8 duration

Isn’t technically myrtle m3 same as sailfeet m3?

Like 1:1 amount of dp gen

[storm current]

no

[proud drift]

Why

[storm current]

if you want the math

you have to wait for the skill to expire

[foggy grove]

sail=ely has more dp per s

[proud drift]

I’m confused as to how

[storm current]

so 8s duration from myrtle for example, is basically 8sp cooldown

[edgy stag]

speaking of current cc stage, whos a good op

[proud drift]

Myrtle takes 22s to charge and generates 14 in 8s

[storm current]

30s duration => 14

meaning 14/30

[proud drift]

Sail takes 26s to charge and generates 18 in 8s

[storm current]

saileach is 18/34

[proud drift]

Isn’t it technically the same amount?

[edgy stag]

im borrowing mudrock rn and having her solo leftside but the shit i have to do to bait arty and kill the boss is a pain

[glass monolith]

34 for 18 (0.53/s) and 30 for 14 (0.46/s)

[storm current]

same as in

[proud drift]

One takes 4 seconds less to charge but generates 4 less

[storm current]

overtime

[proud drift]

The other generates 4 more, but takes 4 more to charge

[storm current]

well

thats when you look at the perspective of first deploy

in the long run

myrtle generate 0.47dp/s

[proud drift]

But I’m talking like overall

[storm current]

while saileach/elysium is 0.52dp/s

[proud drift]

It’s the exact same amount

[storm current]

[proud drift]

22s for 14 dp vs 26s for 18dp

4 second difference

4 dp difference

It’s the exact same amount

[storm current]

no

thats only the first activation

[hollow forum]

just checked, the boss comes out of the bottom right red box but he'll be looping inside the area where the eggs come from a couple of times before going for the middle straight to the blue box

if you're gonna place mlynar anywhere, let him face the right area so he can help with the eggs and the boss

[proud drift]

No

It’s always the same

[storm current]

and skill duration is practically skill cooldown as well

[proud drift]

Because they both take the same amount duration

Both take 8s duration so it’s irrelevant to the calculation, no?

One generates 4 more, but takes 4s more

The other generates 4 less

But takes 4s less

[storm current]

because for what you are looking at

theres 2 part

[proud drift]

[storm current]

second for natural dp

and second for flagbearer

[proud drift]

Does natural dp stop when they generate?

[storm current]

4s for natural dp is 4dp

but 4s for flagbearer is more than 4dp

[proud drift]

How

Then technically myrtle is better than saileach at raw dp generation with that logic

[storm current]

its just

14/30 for myrtle

and 18/34 for saileach

[proud drift]

What the fuck is 14/30 and 18/34

[storm current]

skill duration is absolute cooldown

[proud drift]

What are these imaginary numbers

[storm current]

14 is dp gain

30 is actual cooldown

since 8s duration + 22 sp cooldown

and same for saileach of 18 dp, 8s duration and 26s cooldown

[proud drift]

Yeah and saileach is 8s duration 26s cooldown 18dp

4s diff

4dp diff

so its the same

[storm current]

nah

[elder flume]

Maths

[storm current]

you wait 4s less for myrtle to activate again

[proud drift]

And you gain 4 less

Or you wait 4 more

And gain 4 more

[edgy stag]

dog

this argument

can literally be ended

by putting the numbers

into a calculator

14 / 30 = .4667 | 18 / 34 = .5294

[proud drift]

How does that make sense tho

[storm current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/1063152256431693985/image.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588958885150721/914285612188717186/unknown.png?width=632&height=494

something like this too

[edgy stag]

i mean the difference is fucking pennies regardless

[foggy grove]

blue ely,red myrtle

[edgy stag]

i doubt .06 dp/s is really making the difference for your comp

[foggy grove]

it can be

[proud drift]

I just don’t understand why it works like that

Myrtle should be better then cause activates more often while generating the same amount

But for some whack ass vacuum number reasons sail and ely is better?

[storm current]

i think you are looking at the perspective of with natural dp here

no?

[proud drift]

I mean that too but still

[storm current]

just think of it like this

[proud drift]

It’s more just

[storm current]

in 4 second of flagbearer skill

[proud drift]

You wait 4s more but generate 4 more

Or you wait 4 less and generate 4 less

[storm current]

they generate more dp than just 4

[proud drift]

But the cooldown

In the first place why the hell is myrtle as powerful as 6* m3 flag in dp gen

[storm current]

in general

bigger burst of dp is still better

since myrtle stop at 14

while saileach ely print further to 18

which is more favorable than long term printing

cuz you want to deploy the rest of your team fast

[edgy stag]

basically, saileachs 8s active duration is more valuable than myrtles active duration

so much so that it doesnt offset the +4 natural dp regen that myrtle gets per cycle (barely)

[proud drift]

Well, I guess the difference is still irrelevant

For 90% of the content

Meaning I prob shouldn’t rush s1m3 for sail

[edgy stag]

yea its pretty much nothing. the big difference is the initial burst

[storm current]

the difference is on the unit itself

not the skill

[edgy stag]

you mean their stats? shouldnt you be trying not to rely on your standard bearer to do dmg

[proud drift]

Think more for sail’s passive

[edgy stag]

oh, yea

damn her passives are really good, i just looked at them

[elder flume]

If you can use flagbearer to stop some early enemies for more preparation time then go ahead

[sonic willow]

DP is such a non-issue nowadays you just use who looks better

[elder flume]

Sadly my myrtle healing is not going over ch 11 puddles

[edgy stag]

also this argument kinda drowned out my initial question lol

[edgy stag]

wrong reply, this one

[foggy grove]

kalsit is good

[proud drift]

Kaltsit\NTR kills boss in one cycle

Per phase

Without cannon

[edgy stag]

really? doesnt he have 80% dodge? jeez

[foggy grove]

they deal true dmg

[proud drift]

True damage can’t be dodged

[sonic willow]

how tanky is manfred

[foggy grove]

true ignore dodge

[edgy stag]

oh. well then

kalstit it is

[proud drift]

Cc10 fred is 20k hp iirc

[edgy stag]

the cannon is 3k true right

[proud drift]

(Pozemka fartooth btw also can kill him)

[foggy grove]

yeah

[proud drift]

(Fartooth was in fact a bit in high demand for one challenge lol)

[sonic willow]

shouldn't poz shred manfred

or no tiles

[edgy stag]

god. mlynar is still the only op i have that even comes close to tanking it

[foggy grove]

poz can but tiles is kinda eh

[edgy stag]

i think itd be easier with kaltstit and she can help lanehold as well

[proud drift]

You don’t necessarily need someone to survive leftside cannon

Just have healing defender or sth tank them for a bit and cycle them

[edgy stag]

yea ik its just with the redeploy mod i wanna avoid having to helidrop tanks as much as possible

[foggy grove]

you can also borrow mudrock instead if you think you can handle right

mlynar on vent is prolly fine

[edgy stag]

thats what i was doing before but the juggling i have to do is so cursed

[elder flume]

Roberta the cannon

[edgy stag]

like i had to let mudrock get chained so i could bait arty on the boss LMAO

cause she couldnt kill the blobs quick enough for someone else to bait

[soft crystal]

You can use mudrock s3

[edgy stag]

dont have the ability to choose im afraid

[gleaming lodge]

Have better friends ?

[edgy stag]

dawg you think i have any friends

[gleaming lodge]

Mud S2 still works fine though

[edgy stag]

im relying entirely on the generosity of #friend-id

[gleaming lodge]

And no one has mud S3 over there ?

Bruh

Truly bad players moment

[proud drift]

Well

Most ppl unga bunga mud s2 share

I rarely see s3 too

[hollow forum]

tbf mud s3 isn't used that often

[proud drift]

Less effort for enough result

[hollow forum]

like, at most you'll see more s3 than usual during cc seasons

[glass monolith]

I'm too bad at game to use her S3 efficiently

[gleaming lodge]

Bruh please

Literally all you have to do is press S3 when there is a jig wave incoming

[edgy stag]

i mean compare that to literally never doing anything

[gleaming lodge]

You can even face her backwards and she never leaks

[glass monolith]

You underestimate how BAD i am at timing

[gleaming lodge]

(except dogs)

[edgy stag]

gamers when they have to play the game

[glass monolith]

oh and i tried to use her S3 on dogs

[gleaming lodge]

Tower defense gameplay being "too hard" is some next level

[edgy stag]

whats the thing about facing her backwards? ive seen some people mentioning it and im not sure what thats for

maybe im not reading her ability right

[gleaming lodge]

Guess what ?
It still works, you just have to press it earlier

[hollow forum]

so that if she's blocking enemies and activate her s3, she would be able to hit them if they happen to go right past her

[edgy stag]

oh so its just if she happens to leak? ok

[hollow forum]

pretty much

if you don't intend on leaking and like to pop it early, then face her forward

[gleaming lodge]

https://youtu.be/HQdMez2VvVM

[hollow forum]

but in some cases her facing backwards is better

[soft crystal]

I used mudrock s3 for cc7 and cc10

[gleaming lodge]

Peak Mud S3 gameplay

It's not harder to time than any other skill

[edgy stag]

thanks buddy

im sure gonna get my nudes on discord

[soft crystal]

<@&586570970345635868>

[edgy stag]

where should i deploy monst3r by the way? i deployed him 1 tile north of the vent and manfred killed him

[cosmic dagger]

I used mud s3 for cc6

Very much not good times

[gleaming lodge]

No
It's more like, Mudrock is already blocking something, but you need to proc S3 now
So the best way to ensure she kills the currently blocked enemy is to face her backwards, so that she kills it during the 5s stun

[hollow forum]

wasn't her s3 used to stall those big duelist crocs on the left side

[soft crystal]

Oh that was cc6

Yeah i used her for cc6

No i didnt use her for that

[gleaming lodge]

Did you do max risk ?

[soft crystal]

I used her to slow down the brawlers

Had something else for left side big crocs

[hollow forum]

interesting

also is today's cc daily the cc10 map or what

[cosmic dagger]

I did 32 for cc6

Since max was released so late I couldn't replicate it

Brain small

[soft crystal]

Also timing s3 for cc10 isnt that hard

[storm current]

I mean

[soft crystal]

The left side mobs move very slowly

[storm current]

Its 2 frame

[soft crystal]

Like really really slowly

[storm current]

If its low risk you prob can just s2 and forget

[sonic willow]

just make own strat 💀

[soft crystal]

Even if you fuck up

[cosmic dagger]

True!

[storm current]

Making strat for high risk is the job for multiplayer

Not single player

Truly peak gaming moment

[hollow forum]

I only used mud s2 during cc10 when she could tank the cannon

when she couldn't I just kinda subbed her out w horn and had her kill everything instead

[foggy grove]

idr what i use with canon risk

prolly just heli

[proud drift]

In the vent

He stops in front of middle vent

[gleaming lodge]

Monster is sus ?

[storm current]

Hey squid

Wyt about cement

[soft crystal]

[storm current]

damn funny stat difference

[glass monolith]

Want to talk about funny?

[gleaming lodge]

ATK radius -1

[storm current]

i think it meant only attack while blocked?

or idk

[glass monolith]

Don't Chapter 12 boss has some global bullshit ability because global bullshit is fun

[edgy stag]

how do you kill manfreds second phase with monst3r? he just kills it

[foggy grove]

where did you put monst3r

[edgy stag]

i redeployed him one tile upwards after killing first phase

facing left

he was initially on the vent, idk if you saw that before

[proud drift]

Basically what I did is I’d preactivate kaltsit s3 for slimes so she has it ready for when freddie stops in front of vent

Then she kills fred

By the time he respawns it’s almost back up so i’d just throw meat at him such as surtr who won’t easily die

And have kal s3 again

Another option is to let him do the loop (just make sure to keep kal alive by shuffling aggro between units to keep his aspd to a minimum)

No need to redeploy

[edgy stag]

i dont have surtr or really anyone who can tank him p2

[foggy grove]

apparently if you take manfred risk,80 kal can't spawnkill

[soft crystal]

C11 kinda bland isnt it

[foggy grove]

[proud drift]

P.sure he doesn’t do that much

I had gummy tank him a bit iirc lol

And blemishine

[soft crystal]

Feel like c10 was more exciting

[proud drift]

Unless u took his risk

[edgy stag]

i took his risk yea, without the risk i just intagibbed him with mlynar

[proud drift]

Are you just doing all risks or what

[edgy stag]

hm

i once again incorrectly assumed that i needed all 3 to get to the next rank

god dammit

[proud drift]

Lmao

[edgy stag]

ok well without the risk the stage is pants so

[foggy grove]

[proud drift]

It says how much risk you need to unlock

It’s 0 2 and 4 iirc

[edgy stag]

when you click on it it does .-.

gotta know to click on this unintuitive ass ui

[scarlet ledge]

https://youtu.be/9qLusI2-FKg

[edgy stag]

he fucking died to mlynars reflect LMFAO

god he has no hp now

ok done. well, good to know that you only need 2 of the 3 initial risks to get to the final level of the stage

i have a very large brain

so big its crushing up against my skull and causing me to bleed out

[scarlet ledge]

what is that

[latent anvil]

[gleaming lodge]

This is CC#10 appearing in the daily rotation

[proud drift]

When is cc11 approx.?

Just to have an idea of when to prepare myself a grave over cc10 daily risk3 aura fred challenge

[glass monolith]

I quit doing max daily risks as they started doing just sadistic bullshit in them

[proud drift]

Well

It’s still gonna be necessary to do

Cuz it’s gonna be a challenge for 100 currency

[cosmic dagger]

You can do it individually

With support tag too

[glass monolith]

i can do risk 8 daily stuff, i am not going for risk 15 dailies anymore because they just feed some "harder than R18W1" stuff

[scarlet fulcrum]

They will announce it atleast 3 weeks before, atleast yotar still abide this

[signal flicker]

Need help with anni 16 lapp is e1 max

[sonic willow]

do you plan on e2ing her soon

[scarlet fulcrum]

Make use of stair and roomba

[signal flicker]

Im farming 1-7

[signal flicker]

???

[scarlet fulcrum]

Enemies die in Stair will not spread brand, roomba can clear it for you if u messed up, or ur e1 lapp not lucky

[turbid badge]

U can clean the mess, if they die on stair they dont spread the nethersea

[signal flicker]

is ambriel good here?

[turbid badge]

Who r u borrowijg

Borrowing?

Oh nice

You have mlynar

[signal flicker]

E2 lapp!

[turbid badge]

Oh

Than how is this hard?

Ambriel i dont think she would be useful unless shes e2 cuz stun talent

[turbid badge]

Btw

You have Provisio

which can also silence

[latent anvil]

proviso not for base

[scarlet fulcrum]

No pressure on top, just focus on mid. U can also camp 350 wave top later. Tbh u dont really need borrow but sure

[signal flicker]

Followed guides instead of doing it myself

Because I didn't want to waste 20 mins just to get to the hard part

No borrow

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ah yeah good luck then, the map very funneled so just focus on mid. And top corner later

[eager gate]

[latent monolith]

L imagine using an op as bad as mountain smh

[limpid siren]

Sounds great if he's your worst pick

[glass monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWfpOmbIOM

[sonic willow]

you're supposed to use myrtle to heal mountain 🧠

[sly pivot]

bro imma be real idk how u open this with non 6* e1s

h11 4 is crazy

its so brutal

[glass monolith]

Nearl defender S1, heals herself, deploy Kroos alter, eats dog and eater

[eager gate]

I mean they're called ecchi stages for a reason

you're not supposed to bring e1 team into them, unless you really know what you're doing

[latent monolith]

E0 H8 stage clears crying in distance

[glass monolith]

Just because Danbo did NL-EX-8 CM with E0 only doesn't mean it is recommended for human consumtion

[latent monolith]

H11-4 E0L1 only when

[turbid badge]

So much pressue just to kill 1 rot chaser

[glass monolith]

good. Hold 5 more of them - Common theme of AK stages

[elder flume]

im assuming 11-17 isnt patched

[glass monolith]

I tried, i didn't knew how to trigger it in first place so i failed

[elder flume]

hmm

weirdge

[latent anvil]

How sad

Kaltsit destined to die

[elder flume]

11 18 looks

slightly fun to alter pathing

will see if hg allows

[glass monolith]

roadblocks, but no enemies to care

Just sniper spawn kill rolercoster

[elder flume]

had thoughts of bringing 9 down but bringing 21 up seems to be a better idea

[glass monolith]

Oh right, you are shiftknights?

[elder flume]

theres not much to shift in chap 11

still waiting for my stain to e2 before i try enforcer stunfest

[glass monolith]

??

[elder flume]

stain s3 counts as enemy

meaning enforcer can stun it

and any enemy walking to the bot will get stunned

because of the chain stun the enemies will perpetually be stunlocked

[glass monolith]

and then turns out bot is stun immune

[elder flume]

its still stunnable in cn so

[glass monolith]

okay goodluck

Fuck stainless is gift which keep producing 🧀

[elder flume]

quite a necessary operator to have for mechanic testing

[glass monolith]

36% physical damage reduction
Extend cord for chain casters
Fix for snipers against high defense targets
La Pluma's portable medkit
Initiator of this permastun bullshit
And that's like 1% of 1 of his skills

[elder flume]

s1 in sn blocks enemies indefinitely

havent gotten to test his s2 much

[glass monolith]

and that's why boss is unblockable/block 2-4

actually i forgot

Boss is block 2 gain +1 if bubble dude and +2 if below 50% or is block 3 and +1 when below 50% with bubble dude?

[gentle finch]

my krooster got no pots

when is IW rerun again

[glass monolith]

eventually TM

Should be around Chongus/Lin event

[gentle finch]

i see

[latent monolith]

Oh wait so it's like enforcer stuns the bot -> bot "goes over" enemy -> enemy is stunned

Idk if there's enough time for it to be useful though?

[elder flume]

as long as enemy is stunnable its a win

more enemies would make the stun chain longer

the bot gets stunned longer than enemies

[latent monolith]

The stun timer begins upon collision not on skill cast?

[elder flume]

s2 is a stun start rite

yes collision

enemies do have a slight moment where they can move a bit but they get stunned again upon colliding with bot

its enough stall for enforcer to get his skill again

[latent monolith]

I now have a mental picture of stainless fitting enforcer's shotgun in his bot constantly shooting at enemies that walk to it

[elder flume]

my enforcer supports are already gone lmao

just as i e2d stain

oh wao i can test weedy aoe with this

its bigger than shaw

[surreal star]

how do you stun lock with enforcer stainless?

[elder flume]

just put bot 2 tiles away from stain

stun it

enemy walk in

stunned

Ig thats expected

Shaw ver

[surreal star]

like this?

[elder flume]

uhuh

[surreal star]

it didn’t work

[elder flume]

try 11 6

more enemies makes it easier

@neat skiff bring back your enforcer to s2 when available

[surreal star]

no stun there either

i have enforcer built if you want to borrow

[glass monolith]

Give video of stunlock, save us sanity

[elder flume]

sent

[surreal star]

i put him up

[neat skiff]

Up and ready on S2.

[elder flume]

they really patched a 6 months old bug huh

[neat skiff]

?

[elder flume]

enforcer on stationary enemies

ig thats why my dv test failed

rip en

and rip enforcer

[neat skiff]

Yeah, there have been a few bugs that worked in CN that came already patched in global.

Like CH 11 saving Kal'tsit.

[elder flume]

steamknight softlock?

im too lazy doing h stages

[neat skiff]

11-17

[elder flume]

yeah i explored theresis

[neat skiff]

https://youtu.be/SRUnLCNw_ls

[glass monolith]

Haze saved, good ending

[elder flume]

steamknight i havent tested

[latent anvil]

rain was just talking about 11-17 a few hours ago

[neat skiff]

Wasn't here for that, taking a break from hardcore arknights.

[glass monolith]

Anyway.
Dog enemy
Dog elite
Dog boss
Don't you think we seeing dog powercreeping us?

[latent anvil]

i eat it

[turbid badge]

Big sad 🐶

[neat skiff]

Can't wait for werewolf boss. Especially since Vigil and future failed rolls for Texalter.

[glass monolith]

I am not even sure how IS boss looks because all videos of him I seen didn't had him leave red box really

[turbid badge]

Camoflagued Firewolf for sale Soon

[neat skiff]

Still my favourite videos of the boss are AH 2 op clears. Skadi and Gladiia, because of course gladiia.

[elder flume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ne411V7aT/?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0

theres ur boss outside red box

[neat skiff]

Oh yeah that bug. That was fixed day 1 for global.

[glass monolith]

They delayed Dorothy by 3 months trying to figure out how to make Levitation + Mines interaction, no time left to do that shit

[neat skiff]

Also helps that we're now over the 6 month mark behind CN. More time to bugfix.

[elder flume]

they dont like fun

[neat skiff]

Of course not.

[elder flume]

if im feeling like it i should be able to test steamknight softlock in around 5-6 days

[neat skiff]

Global isn't anywhere close to the income of CN server.

[eager gate]

Whoever thought that AIDS-spreading cars are a good idea is a hopeless sadist

made them as tanky as early boss enemies too for no reason

[neat skiff]

Nah, instead of nerfing powercreep, they just introduced enemy creep.

[eager gate]

so they'd have to do more powercreep to fight it?

[neat skiff]

We already have the powercreep.

Pozemka for single/dual target. Mlynar for quasi AoE.

Then Kirin is going to shake the meta as much as Ash did.

[eager gate]

wonder if ntrk s3 can solo steam knight

at least 1 phase

Is Yato somehow better than Texas despite being burst only?

[neat skiff]

3010 true damage per attack. 16 attacks in S3. 48,160 damage. She needs 2 skill activations to kill steam knight.

You know how people were saying "Texalter is M6"? Kirin turned her back into an M3.

[eager gate]

I can add Surt to help, should work

[neat skiff]

70 base RES.

[eager gate]

50, Surt ignores

should do around 50% of his

of 1 phase*

[neat skiff]

I would say Kirin is the M6 but now there has been some time she seems to use S2 98% of the time.

[eager gate]

the on deploy burst?

[neat skiff]

Yeah.

[eager gate]

Doesn't that make her kinda sorta a mob clearer and there's a lot of those already? Sounds more meme than actually meta shaking
But I've never played on cn

[neat skiff]

Both her skills are on deploy burst. S2 for a bunch of damage in 2 tiles, S3 for a bunch of damage over potentially 5 tiles.

[eager gate]

oh, ok

[neat skiff]

Give me a sec.

Lets say pot 1 (since I won't be able to get more than that i_i)
703 base attack.
844 with talent.
422 arts damage with talent.
S2M3
1266 phys damage per swing.
633 arts damage per swing.
20,256 phys, 10,128 arts, 30,380 on deploy to every single enemy in the 2 tiles.

[eager gate]

What's the duration?

[neat skiff]

Like half a second.

[cinder vector]

more like 4 iirc

[eager gate]

Mini Irene s3 on frd cool

[neat skiff]

Texalter
724 attack, 869 with talent.
S3M3 2x strikes of 1434 arts damage.
Rain is 1130 arts damage.
With the full 8 seconds 23,380 arts damage. If she gets a reset consider it doubled. If she resets before the 8 seconds the number is lowered.

[cinder vector]

sexas s3 is cc and range, for dmg u consider s2

[eager gate]

That just means Texas can lanehold for some time

[neat skiff]

Yeah, Kirins existence has kind of negated Texalter S2.

[cinder vector]

pure art vs mixed damage type

[neat skiff]

S2M3.
Initial hit of 2086 arts damage.
Then up to 11 hits of 1347 damage.
31,720 pure arts damage if she can get the full 10 seconds.

Oh, also Texalter S2 is single target. Kirin hits up to 128 enemies at once.

[glass monolith]

Thanks to Kirin and Texas THIS is new average stat of any game boss

[neat skiff]

Quasi true AoE and whatnot.

[cosmic dagger]

Texas s2 wasn't pushed out of the meta by yato

It was pushed out of the meta by s3

🤯

[neat skiff]

Yeah, Texas is used for her S3.

[cosmic dagger]

The only prevalence it had even before yato release was as a ball carrier for reed flameshadow

Which really doesn't say anything

[neat skiff]

Kirin just very happily took the spot that went ignored.

[cosmic dagger]

When saria who doesn't even do damage gives more damage

The interesting thing to note though, is that yato tends to take s3 in both general content and is3 instead of s2 like we projected

[neat skiff]

Odd, I haven't seen S3 in over a month. Only see her used with S2.

[cosmic dagger]

Though, not a 95/5 split like Texas, but more of a 70/30 split

Where do you see s2

Outside of h11-4

s3 is firmly in the meta for chapter 12

is3 s2 has like maybe 3 maps where it's the optimal solution

[neat skiff]

Ch 12 and the new rhine lab event being 2 that come to mind.

[cosmic dagger]

cc12 s2 works even at sl7

? Ch12 was the s3 playground

So many weak elites to shit on

[neat skiff]

Either way Kirin is an easy M6.

[cosmic dagger]

Oh yeah def

[turbid badge]

Ive seen s3 usage on the Ebenholz anni too

[neat skiff]

It helps that the new anni has long straight paths.

Like the Ifrit issue of "as many tiles in a line as possible" but now walls are an issue.

[glass monolith]

Oh right. Next anni after SN will be DV one, right?

Fuck it

[neat skiff]

Yup.

[gentle finch]

idk why people recommend sexas M6

Well I do but

it doesn't seem like that great an idea to me

[lethal dragon]

Why?

S2 is very useful

[gentle finch]

.

idk i just don't see myself using S2

maybe i will

[indigo pulsar]

at best, i see myself using it in between surtrs

[cosmic dagger]

Its just hard to revert to s2 when s3 grants her a lot of survivability

It doesn't seem to be the case but s3's stuns interrupt a lot of attack windups

[lethal dragon]

Yeah stuns are godly

[cosmic dagger]

You see this in action in even the hardest content, like cc12's boss avenger or is3 ending 1 highmore on diff 15

[gentle finch]

yeah

she floors highmore so easily

[cosmic dagger]

It's not even the down ability, but the fact that highmore windup is so long that you effectively disable her for 8 seconds

Which is so valuable

[gentle finch]

never thought of it that way

true

[gentle finch]

mm

I want to try out different starts in IS3 but my acc too dogshit

[glass monolith]

I want to try IS3 but my acc is too EN

[lethal dragon]

I am not touching Is3