strategy

[hexed mulch]

no but do i need a third?

[tidal sedge]

U have to

[hexed mulch]

oh

[hollow epoch]

I'll show you something

[tidal sedge]

https://youtu.be/Fh7Z3GFVx6M 11-20 low end squad be like.

[lethal dragon]

Took me a whole damn min to recognize eben

[hexed mulch]

lava or 12f or durin or steward?

[proud drift]

Do the archetto flametail until you get the guaranteed 5*

And don’t do more

[tidal sedge]

Well he is not the best nor the worst.

[proud drift]

Stainless banner is stinky yeah

[hexed mulch]

ok

[dusky glade]

i mean that works,

[hollow epoch]

Lava and Steward are decent

[proud drift]

Flametail can especially carry your vanguard slot

[dusky glade]

if distance not an issue you can use her as bootleg silverash since she got better def and block, almsot same damage but no range

[tidal sedge]

Lava and Stewart are still good until late game content if u don’t have many 6*

[hexed mulch]

got cuora and matterhorn and rope...

[proud drift]

Cuora good

Beagle replacement

[hexed mulch]

now we wait for more op

[proud drift]

Rope meh

[hexed mulch]

REALLY? beagle is goat

[proud drift]

Matterhorn og anti-arts

[dusky glade]

i used steward in a lot content, he is very viable single target caster.
till i get my passenger and ceobe E2

[hollow epoch]

Cuora! She rocks dude

[tidal sedge]

Cuora too good and one of most OP one in4*

[hexed mulch]

now i geel dumb having my beagle so high, what a waste

feel*

[tidal sedge]

I did use her in many level.

[hollow epoch]

Beagle is a worse Cuora

[tidal sedge]

It is not bad because u have another back up for defender

Also some level require stalling

[hexed mulch]

ahh

[tidal sedge]

So she will be good option if u have to stall some bosses

I still bring Cuora with me even in Steam Knight fight.

[proud drift]

My cuora is among my least raised defenders I think

[hollow epoch]

What else do you have?

[tidal sedge]

Also there is another medic u need to upgrade

[latent anvil]

ok dswopey defender fleggs go

[tidal sedge]

Sussoro

[proud drift]

Nvm she’s e1 60, but I have raised mudmud saria blebishine and hoshi

[latent anvil]

blemi

[tidal sedge]

Cuora is my 2nd highest level of defender 1st one of mine is Mudrock e2 70

[proud drift]

Blemi and saria are my highest cuz they have modules

[lethal dragon]

E2 cuora

[tidal sedge]

Not bad decisions

[hexed mulch]

ill check which i have but i think its only ansel and myrrh

[tidal sedge]

That is humble start for u.

[lethal dragon]

Sussuro and gavial are pretty good

[hollow epoch]

The only 3 and 4 stars I regretted so far are Fang and Totter, the rest is kinda awesome so far

[signal lichen]

3 star healers are mostly enough until much later anyway

Yeah I recommend sussuro but it's not as needed imo

[tidal sedge]

U can just upgrade fang and complete his simulation right?

[hollow epoch]

Both are good, myrrh can heal 2 at a time and Ansel can extend range and a chance to heal 2 too

[tidal sedge]

If u upgrade her skill to level 7 it would be perfect.

[hollow epoch]

I probably will, cause she still functions, but she is bad

[tidal sedge]

I still use her with Hibiscus, sussoro, Purestream and Perfumer.

[hollow epoch]

I have her skill at 6

[proud drift]

Isn’t totter very niche

[tidal sedge]

Low HP and easy to die if too many enemies inbound

[tidal sedge]

Just upgrade it to level 7 three charge for s1

[hollow epoch]

He is, but I was at 3rd chapter and there were a ton of camuflaged, I thought he would help

[glass monolith]

Arknights have one consistent thing - As soon as chapter over old shit is scrapped and new one thrown at you

[tidal sedge]

Well I used Fang in H8-2 and got screwed up at start.

[lethal dragon]

Fang is like one of the most used 3 star in integrated strategies
Also totter is a 4 star and pretty good for what he does

[hexed mulch]

😮 ooooh im used to those old units being useless and regretting the currency wasted cuz now i cant upgrade my better units and then i cant progress anymore

[tidal sedge]

Don’t worry either way u will get compensate from siracusano event 540k lmd

[hexed mulch]

whats that

[tidal sedge]

Texas alter event

[hollow epoch]

He is Very situational, not saying he's useless, helped a bit thats why I leveled him

[hexed mulch]

i dont understand alters, i see people mention it often

[tidal sedge]

And bunch of battle record

[lethal dragon]

Did you like max him?

[sly pivot]

alternative operator

or a different version of the operator

[signal lichen]

Alternate class for a op

[tidal sedge]

Fast redeploy age will return I guess

[signal lichen]

U have to raise them as a separate op

But trust is kept

[proud drift]

Here’s an example

[tidal sedge]

Still boosting trust so u good to go

[hollow epoch]

Nope, I am still lvl 30, he's at e1-20 atm

[proud drift]

These are same name operators

[hexed mulch]

thats the level juice right?

[proud drift]

The one with long name

Is alter

[tidal sedge]

Yup

[lethal dragon]

Yikes

[proud drift]

Give funds maybe I’ll level someone

[lethal dragon]

Raise both you slacker

[tidal sedge]

Specter and specter the unchained.

[hexed mulch]

why

[vital arrow]

Just because

Also lore progression reasons

[tidal sedge]

Because dev like it

[hexed mulch]

one better?

[tidal sedge]

More better

[lethal dragon]

Are h stages on Saturday?

[tidal sedge]

She kinda immortal.

[proud drift]

Lore reasons, one way to release a better version of an operator

[tidal sedge]

Probably

[proud drift]

Potentially also just popularity

[hexed mulch]

sucks for anyone with the old one i guess

[proud drift]

Nah

[vital arrow]

Not really

[proud drift]

After texas alter arrives

We can use both

[tidal sedge]

@hexed mulch u seem never heard about stultifera Navis.

[vital arrow]

Idk why it would suck to have the old one though

[proud drift]

Some alters do the same thing in different roles like specter alter and specter

[sly pivot]

old ones always worse anyways

🥱

[vital arrow]

Yeah

[proud drift]

Some alters do completely different things

Like skadi and skadi alter

[tidal sedge]

Not actually worse

[tidal sedge]

Skadi the corrupting heart

[hexed mulch]

ive been playing like a few days lol

[signal lichen]

I mean alters are more generally useful but different classes different roles and different utility

[vital arrow]

It's not like you can't get the alter if you have the old one

[tidal sedge]

Spalter will get sparkable in Mumu banner later

[sly pivot]

specter and spalter is literally the same operator

☠️

[proud drift]

Well

Specter can block 3

Spalter cannot

Checkmate atheist

[tidal sedge]

Uh huh but in lore now is Spalter

[sly pivot]

wtf no way

[tidal sedge]

Different classes

[hollow epoch]

Have you done annihilation 1? If you max it it will give you a ton of resources to level up few ops. Get few guards and a medic

[proud drift]

Spalter also normally doesn’t cleave enemies

Double checkmate

[tidal sedge]

Ok u win

[hexed mulch]

i tried recently and got to the flying seahorses and then leaked and lost

like 87 kills

[vital arrow]

Uh thats not anni 1

[proud drift]

Flying seahorses?

Sir that’s anni15 or 16

Not anni1

[hollow epoch]

I am talking about the permanent ones

[tidal sedge]

Wait is that the annil 15

[signal lichen]

[sly pivot]

go to chernobog

[hexed mulch]

no

[sly pivot]

or something

[hollow epoch]

The ones that give you exp and lmd's

[hexed mulch]

wait

[tidal sedge]

Just send him picture already

[sly pivot]

and find the one that looks like a ch 3 stage

[hollow epoch]

Borrow Hope, put her on the bottom lane, focus on defending top lane

[tidal sedge]

I thought it is 2 and 3?

[hexed mulch]

whats it called? i went to the one it showed me lol i didnt pick it

[proud drift]

@hexed mulch this is the one you want

It’s in ursus on the map

[hexed mulch]

ok

ill try it

[tidal sedge]

Well there is no way u can lose it

[hollow epoch]

Borrow Hope

[hexed mulch]

oh ill find a way

[proud drift]

He can

Top side has funny defender spam

Well

[tidal sedge]

Shaw time

[proud drift]

With e1s maybe not anymore

But yeah also try to do no borrow

So that you could auto it

[hollow epoch]

Shaw Time!

[tidal sedge]

Also remember the deploy order newb

[hexed mulch]

can push in those holes?

[proud drift]

Sadly you probably don’t have enough proxy cards to just do it without actually autoing for 20mins every time

[tidal sedge]

Yes

[proud drift]

Shaw can yes

But need lvl4 skill

For shield guys

[hexed mulch]

mkay

[hollow epoch]

He will struggle without borrowing

[tidal sedge]

Level 7 will make this map easier

[proud drift]

Level 7 requires e1

[hexed mulch]

whos a good borrow then

[hollow epoch]

Need skill 4, and cant push the heavy ones, need a caster, but there are casters and other nasty shit coming from that side and they all fall

[hollow epoch]

Hope, just defend her from the bottom

[hexed mulch]

i dont see hope, what type?

[proud drift]

Who tf is hope

[hollow epoch]

Defender

[hexed mulch]

horn?

[proud drift]

Are you talking about horn?

[tidal sedge]

Specialist

[hollow epoch]

Horn! Sorry, brain fart

[proud drift]

[hexed mulch]

get it together bitey :p

[tidal sedge]

Shaw is farmable so yea

[hexed mulch]

i have shaw s4

its fine

[tidal sedge]

E1 l4 is kinda tough but all u need to remember is that place Shaw first and defender last.

[proud drift]

His horn is gonna be e1 so no extra tile range

Have you used horn before?

[hollow epoch]

If you manage to clear it, it will give you enough stuff to level few ops hopefully

[tidal sedge]

Horn very useful in Lungmen outskirts and downtown

[hollow epoch]

She is good enough for Chernobog at E1

[tidal sedge]

With her skill1

[hollow epoch]

Shaw, a caster and then defender, cant push the heavies

[proud drift]

Sl4 can

[tidal sedge]

U think why we have Aoe caster here probably to deal with Heavies armor one

[proud drift]

Just needs a couple pushes

[tidal sedge]

Well right.

[hollow epoch]

Like 7... It takes too long

[proud drift]

Ehhh

It’s like

3-4 pushes?

[tidal sedge]

About that

[hollow epoch]

With skill 1 and skill lvl 4?

[proud drift]

It’s probably better to just have rockrock or sth killing them, but shaw is generally the more convenient method cuz she also pushes shitters off

Yes

[hollow epoch]

Hmmm. My Shaw is slacking off then, lol

[tidal sedge]

I already level 7 Shaw

I still use her in M8-6

[hollow epoch]

She's one of my faw, I smile when I see a map where I can use her, she is so funny

[tidal sedge]

U know m8-6 secret ending I have to use her with Rope to keep shieldguard alive

[signal lichen]

Yeah rope was my strategy as well

[hollow epoch]

I had a dilemma if I should level Rope because Clifhang is coming

[hexed mulch]

i got 339/400

[signal lichen]

I ended with middle guard less hp then first guard

[hollow epoch]

Not bad for a first try

[scarlet fulcrum]

If no caster defender will get overwhelmed, or not lucky enough. U used caster to clear armored dude faster

[hexed mulch]

senior casters kill my range units

[scarlet fulcrum]

Shaw can push with ease

[hexed mulch]

same problem as on 2-10

[tidal sedge]

Mine was clutch the first shield guard only got 20 hp left.

[tidal sedge]

Deployment order

[hexed mulch]

explain

cuz its after all my units are deployed already

[signal lichen]

Last deployed op is prioritized usually

[hollow epoch]

You have to place them before you do your defenders, AI targets last placed target in range

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ranged enemies will target ur last deployed Operator in range

[tidal sedge]

So there is one mechanic right in most case is the caster or sniper of enemies will attack the last deploy operator

[hollow epoch]

Or you can drop someone to deal with those snipers and retreat them

[tidal sedge]

It is not like he has Utage.

[hexed mulch]

OH

[hollow epoch]

True...

[tidal sedge]

I don’t say u deploy defender last without any reason.

[hollow epoch]

Must be hard playing with just so few operators, cant make a good strategy

[hexed mulch]

this

especially when half suck lol

[vital arrow]

Anni 1 is very simple though

[hollow epoch]

They suck because they are not leveled up

[vital arrow]

Like its clearable by *3s

[gentle finch]

he is tryna clear anni?

anni 1

[hollow epoch]

He doesnt have 3*

[tidal sedge]

Well yes

[vital arrow]

Anni 3 is where it gets interesting

[tidal sedge]

He has but not fully build

[vital arrow]

How does he not have *3s

They literally hand them out for free

[hollow epoch]

He leveled 5 and 6 *

[vital arrow]

Oh then even better

They just statcheck anni 1

[hollow epoch]

Yeah, but his are not even E1 yet so they suck

[vital arrow]

Anni 1 is like clearable by E0 lv 30-40

[gentle finch]

last time i checked this guy had an E1 kroos

[tidal sedge]

Well if u have right unit and remember the deploy order correctly

[gentle finch]

just borrow a platinum or some shi

[signal lichen]

Having even Mudrock e1 he can probably clear it fine

[gentle finch]

yeah

[tidal sedge]

He had

[signal lichen]

And or depending on borrow can clear now

[tidal sedge]

Mudrock for bottom lane

[gentle finch]

borrowed mud?

[hexed mulch]

i do and an e1 beagle no one else, theyre too expensive. i could e1 a 5* like amiya or rockrock maybe? but not a 6* yet

[hollow epoch]

For sure he can clear it, he just need a good strategy with what he has

[gentle finch]

yea

[hexed mulch]

clear which

[tidal sedge]

What else annil 1

[hollow epoch]

Chernobog

[vital arrow]

I wouldn't touch 5s tbh if they have good *4s

[hexed mulch]

oh, yea. i need a way to kill senior casters i think. also horn died on bottom so i retreated my myrtle which stopped my dp gen (cuz i forgot i wouldn't get any from kills) and then i was sad

[tidal sedge]

Ok how about I make it simple for u. https://youtu.be/yLyA5_Fc9xA

[proud drift]

He prob doesn’t have many ops

Due to saving pulls for sexas

[hexed mulch]

4* i have myrrh, courier, myrtle, shirayuki, doberman, cuora, matoimaru, jessica, matterhorn, meteor, rope, shaw

[proud drift]

Though I did recommend at least getting guaranteed 5* from flametail chetto

[vital arrow]

Oh just old *4s

[hollow epoch]

You need to put someone in front of Horn, or she will not fire grenades when contested

[hexed mulch]

im trying i did 3 pulls but no more currency

[proud drift]

Cuz I think both flametail and chetto are good potential 6*

Rip

[vital arrow]

Do we even know their roster

[proud drift]

[hexed mulch]

1 sec

[tidal sedge]

How about u just follow guide at low end squad.

[gentle finch]

he's gonna shred once he gets Texas

neurons activated

[hollow epoch]

Low end guides use Specific units for specific role, he need to find his own solution

[vital arrow]

I mean youre not supposed to carbon copy guides anyways

[proud drift]

Afaik kyostin specifies every time that his guide units can be replaced by other similar job units

Or just higher rarities

[hexed mulch]

guides seem to give tips and tier lists but they dont even agree with each other

[gentle finch]

tier lists suck

[tidal sedge]

Yeah that’s why I recommend it here.

[proud drift]

Because tierlists are subjective opinions

[vital arrow]

Well you might want to raise an actually healable defender because mudrock can't heal herself and her S1 is ass

[proud drift]

And “good tierlists” are just collective subjective opinions

[tidal sedge]

There is no such thing called tier list here

[signal lichen]

Tier list are very meh when it comes to arknights

[hexed mulch]

beagle

[proud drift]

I always thought Fiammetta was good whereas a lot of people still think she’s not

So it’s always a matter of experience, playstyle and how you use them

[vital arrow]

Another one

[gentle finch]

guides are very flexible most times you can take parts that work from it

[tidal sedge]

Well for afk yes but for DPS Idk

[hexed mulch]

oh

[gentle finch]

for example if you have ops to hold top lane from guide you can follow that and just do your own thing for bottom lane

[tidal sedge]

Mudrock will hold top Lane

[hexed mulch]

is there a good guide site for any random stage?

[proud drift]

Her S2 does more dps and dph than S3

[vital arrow]

And raise another medic

[gentle finch]

anyways goodbye

[proud drift]

Especially if you have chetto or chen

[tidal sedge]

U not gonna suggest using chalter here aren’t u?

[vital arrow]

Theres a guide for every stage, even tutorial stages have them

[hexed mulch]

until my casters die and they get overrun by big bois and senior casters, but they mostly did

[proud drift]

No i mean normal chen

[hexed mulch]

yea but is there a specific site people trust?

[vital arrow]

Youtube

Wow

[hexed mulch]

oh gross

[proud drift]

Bilibili or youtube

[tidal sedge]

Most of guide are on YouTube.

[proud drift]

You give ur info to ccp while watching guides or you give info to youtube HQ who sell it to ccp

[hexed mulch]

videos is sad 😦

no wikis?

[vital arrow]

No one has that much time

[proud drift]

Gamepress is okay to gauge information on characters

But not for stage guides

[vital arrow]

To write down a guide for literally every stage

[hexed mulch]

its not really a guide if its just watch how they did it

[tidal sedge]

Well at least u have a form to do your own guide.

[vital arrow]

I mean the content creator actually explains why they did things

And what purpose each operator has

[hexed mulch]

which is what i want in text so i can reference it

[tidal sedge]

Guider did explain it.

[proud drift]

It can be if you don’t replicate it

And just use it as an example

[vital arrow]

Its just some people are both deaf and illiterate so they just carbon copy it

[proud drift]

I skimmed multiple H9-6 videos to get an idea of what’s a reasonable solution

[tidal sedge]

Told u use it as a form then u changing guide into your.

[proud drift]

(It was all chalter and silverash )

[hexed mulch]

take notes i guess...

[scarlet fulcrum]

https://gamepress.gg/arknights/combat-operation-guide/arknights-annihilation-chernobog-400-kill-guide

[hollow epoch]

Just try new units on low levels, check their skills on wiki, you will learn a lot using low rarity team

[hexed mulch]

😄

[vital arrow]

Take mental notes

[scarlet fulcrum]

They have that lmoa

[hexed mulch]

those are temporary lol

[tidal sedge]

In IC ex 8 and IC s 4 I have to mix multiple guide together only to deal with Minimalist.

[proud drift]

Ehh

[tidal sedge]

Better than nothing.

[proud drift]

Pozemka suzuran warfarin

Can’t relate sir

[vital arrow]

I mean the general enemy behavior, you're not gonna forget the basics yeah?

[tidal sedge]

I did use pozy at that level

[hexed mulch]

true

[proud drift]

Should’ve not needed a guide then

Warfarin was e1 sl7, suzuran was borrowed sl7 and I had ptilo to keep em alive for S-4

[tidal sedge]

Just change it into your guide.

[proud drift]

No shame in using guides as a low level or newbie

Full shame in using a guide with a lot of raised meta operators though

Unless it’s anni

Cuz fuck anni design

[hollow epoch]

If you use a guide to learn its ok, but most just copy placement and learn nothing

[signal lichen]

I decided to limit myself with 4 stars for most of chapter 11 and I feel like even that shows me a lot rather then nuking it with 6 stars

[hexed mulch]

cant copy placement as a n00b cuz u have different units

n00b has to be good at the game

[scarlet fulcrum]

Not really

[hexed mulch]

oh

[proud drift]

If noob is good at the game then he’s not a noob

[hollow epoch]

There are guides using low rarity ops

[tidal sedge]

Well I have to mix multiple guide in multiple level and cost many sanities to clear some hard level.

[glass monolith]

Unless it is something hyper specific just using different operator of same archetype should do

[hexed mulch]

low rarity sure, but doesnt mean u have them. unless youre just going to a wait and grind and pull and pray until you can copy

[hexed mulch]

oh fair

[proud drift]

Well

You have low rarities eventually

I have all 3 and 4* max pot

[scarlet fulcrum]

Usually its common one

[proud drift]

Except the very new ones

[tidal sedge]

Isn’t your low rarities already enough to clear

[proud drift]

And I don’t play that long

[signal lichen]

You should have most 3 stars maxed by later chapters anyway

[hollow epoch]

You get most necessary units from just recruiting, no need gatcha ops

[proud drift]

You max 3* through recruit

[scarlet fulcrum]

Do u want brainded vid?@hexed mulch

[signal lichen]

And yeah 4 star pots are common

[proud drift]

4* is a bit more pain

[tidal sedge]

Also if u want no 6* one I have one for u.

[tidal sedge]

https://youtu.be/pBn1aRxXspE use it and make some changes if u have to

[proud drift]

Lol wtf, starting and quitting a 0 kill anni counts as a stage clear for mission

[latent monolith]

Well technically you did complete the anni you just got 0 kills

[glass monolith]

You didn't send result of mission to server, it assumes failure, failure is 0 kills, 0 kills is full refund

[tidal sedge]

This one seem most realistic one so yea.

[scarlet fulcrum]

No its not

[proud drift]

It’s full e1 55

[hollow epoch]

He uses low rarity but maxed, this one worked for me better to understand the strategy
https://youtu.be/yLyA5_Fc9xA

[proud drift]

Not realistic at all

Full E1 55 should be clearing anni2

[hollow epoch]

Just E1-1's in this one

[scarlet fulcrum]

The problem is

They hate vid

[turbid badge]

not the video

of kyo llol

[scarlet fulcrum]

I meant this

[hollow epoch]

Why not? He makes things clear

[hexed mulch]

gamepress seems to be the main place for arknights stuff

[scarlet fulcrum]

There are other games too

But yeah most active one ak

[hollow epoch]

I dunno, I learn the most just playing the game and trying stuff myself

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ppl love datamine too

[tidal sedge]

Not for guiding

[glass monolith]

I just peek at fandom wikia when i need module info or something.
I rarely use any materials outside of pinned Arknemy, Aceship and Ark-nights and mostly to start some argument

[tidal sedge]

Yeah but dev in other game very strict about this.

[vital arrow]

Surprisingly strategy games want you to do the old 'trial and error' method

I wonder why they give you 30 practice plans each day

[hollow epoch]

This 🙂

[scarlet fulcrum]

Well its not like sceret, most ppl will know

[glass monolith]

Well most strategy games come with over powered universal anti AI move, until you come to multiplayer and get face roll by someone who execute it faster

[hollow epoch]

Anyway. Is there a way for a low end squad to pop that damn dragons bubble in CC training before it burst's?

[glass monolith]

It has 7500 hp and shares boss stats

[tidal sedge]

Who is real mob?

[glass monolith]

If you low end it means Arts to go

[vital arrow]

I think you use

Mousse

[hollow epoch]

I tried, no go

I might level up Utage a bit more

[vital arrow]

How low end are we talking about

[tidal sedge]

Ultra low or low only?

[hollow epoch]

E1-30 3 and 4*

[vital arrow]

Oh yeah its gonna be rough

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh thats plenty

Early squad only aim r4 anyway

[vital arrow]

Oh CC

No weft and warp

[signal lichen]

R4 sure

[limpid siren]

I do wish enemy info/pathing was better, and didn't require me to play the stage before looking at any of it

[vital arrow]

Pretty doable ig

[vital arrow]

Me too 💀

[signal lichen]

Mousse helps a lot actually with dragon

Helps in a ton of places actually

Debuff is actually way bigger then I first thought

[hollow epoch]

I cleared with the support, but cant do contingency 2

[tidal sedge]

One of the few consistent atk debuffs with it's level of debuff power

[hollow epoch]

Here is my squad

[proud drift]

Guys uh

I don’t think the fart stacks

[tidal sedge]

Though they've been playing with atk debuffs more as of late with Hexer X module and Muel

[proud drift]

which is kinda sad

[tidal sedge]

Also ngl Sham and Pram modules were really disappointing to read

[signal lichen]

Yeah most of early chap 11 I didn't think was that bad

[tidal sedge]

Maybe my hopes were too high

[signal lichen]

Perfumer heals off the aoe nicely

[proud drift]

Ya but I had thought the farts stack

But for some reason they made it not stack

[latent anvil]

Hardest ch11 stage was 17

Failed it 4 or 5 times

[signal lichen]

Man and I thought 11 15 was a nightmare on cm

Oh u said 17 oh yeah

[latent anvil]

That one was fine, I farm it easy

Too lazy to redo in normal mode tho, might be faster

[gentle finch]

anyways goodbye

[signal lichen]

Serious note tho what is intended strategy for 11 15 like lol

[hollow epoch]

I am gonna level Utage and try to beat it cya later

[signal lichen]

Yeah might try that

Time to farm more 4 stars

[hollow epoch]

Stop it... I just got Gummy, another one to level 😉

[limpid siren]

Avoid ground tiles

Burst what twigs you can early

Kill launchers early too

Ranged dps goes hard on that stage

[signal lichen]

How are u meant to kill launchers at start early tho

Was funny did normal fine first or second try but cm is so much worse

[limpid siren]

Rockrock can kill both left side launchers by herself

Idk how 6*s do it

[signal lichen]

That's true she can

But then right side is really annoying lol

[limpid siren]

Is it?

Marksman snipers can kill basically everything except the very last twig and the launchers

Devourers are easy to kill if they don't eat

[signal lichen]

Yeah the launchers are the only big problem

U can bait devours also

[limpid siren]

Yeah you'll eat a few barrages from those two

[signal lichen]

Near that they eat summons

[limpid siren]

Why bait them though

[signal lichen]

Because there tanky af

[limpid siren]

They have like 0 def if they don't eat

[signal lichen]

Back to slow stalling them I suppose

Like Manticore or Ethan maybe

There really fat hp

[limpid siren]

Either are great options tbh

[signal lichen]

But yeah the Def is low

[limpid siren]

Marksmen will chew them up easily

The st focused ones at least

BP can work her way through one too

Bit slower though

[signal lichen]

Fair

Bigger problem is still those launchers on right anyway

Because yeah caster marksman whatever kills any other general mobs going around

[turbid badge]

lmao i have the documents for that favored since it gets updated faster

[limpid siren]

The launchers thankfully advance slowly

So you have a lot of time to handle them

[turbid badge]

they die really easily to arts if ur talking about the cannon guys

[signal lichen]

Yeah I suppose more bait and or better deployment bait

[turbid badge]

if ur rarity abusing u also have options like mlynar and surtr

chalter i like using holding middle

she does great at that

[proud drift]

chalter
like using

Teta I thought better of you

[signal lichen]

I mean I did nuke it

But I wanna do it non nuking

Without my suzu silver ash mylar eyja

[turbid badge]

whatt do u not like her skin

[signal lichen]

[gentle finch]

11-15 huh

[turbid badge]

trust farming ops goated

[gentle finch]

I was originally gonna clear it with abyssals only

[turbid badge]

Bahamut do u have NG

[gentle finch]

but I lost a good IS2 run due to stupidity and took it out on ch11 with rarity abuse

[turbid badge]

Ng makes your operators never die to the cannons btw

[signal lichen]

She's in my pile of ops to raise

Yeah I gonna get medical Chips this week so She's gonna be e1 by end of week

[turbid badge]

grr

[limpid siren]

nearly there

[proud drift]

Fire chicken

[signal lichen]

whos the supporter u got

[proud drift]

If you want S2 tell me I can swap

[proud drift]

Looks like angelina

At least can see the twintails and red hair ribbon

Ribbon? Headband? Idk

[signal lichen]

ig that makes sense

[turbid badge]

Yes angelina

[turbid badge]

Fire chicken op

solos any trash mob

that goes top

[proud drift]

Need s2 or no?

Or does s3 kill better

[turbid badge]

s3 better lol

maybe if i had gnosis

this would work

[tidal sedge]

1-2?

[pale orchid]

Alright so uh what’s the issue

Where do you leak

@tidal sedge

[turbid badge]

holy crap

it stopped to shoot

if not angelina wouldnt let it slip

[signal lichen]

nice

[turbid badge]

i think if texas was out this would of been much easier

xd

arts damage and fast redpeloy

[signal lichen]

can't u duo the stage with her

[turbid badge]

but yeah those shooting londium turrets take like nothing from physical

[turbid badge]

ye

[signal lichen]

maybe u need L*ng + texalt

[turbid badge]

with ling

[signal lichen]

ayy

[scarlet ledge]

hmm

[rough anvil]

Okay but this applies to nearly every stage in the game

[turbid badge]

hey, the arts damage is really needed here

[loud edge]

Are these the return to mist stages?

[turbid badge]

Yea

[cursive mango]

Is ashlock any good? I did a random headhunt and got lucky first try

[scarlet ledge]

ye

[gentle finch]

my skadi disagrees

[turbid badge]

Decent, not priority to Build tho

[turbid badge]

smhh

[scarlet ledge]

but if u get horn

then prio it

ashlock is good but ye

horn just dealt mich damage

[cursive mango]

What if only have gummy, cardigan and beagle?

[scarlet ledge]

diff use

[cursive mango]

Rightio

[scarlet ledge]

kek

i fartooth them

[turbid badge]

1.5k defense

18k hp

only 10 res tho

[rough anvil]

You don't want ashlock blocking people

[turbid badge]

yea

[loud edge]

I just my ling or spec alter on any stages I am having trouble with

[turbid badge]

her s2 literally makes her unblockable

[rough anvil]

Weak

I pull out the chalter, surtr, borrow a mlynar, bring out pozy and kal

[cursive mango]

I see, I did read that, so kinda like mylar in that sense?

[rough anvil]

And mudrock

[loud edge]

Mudrock is nice

[rough anvil]

You can think about it more like... An aoe sniper that sits on the ground

[scarlet ledge]

u want to rid those artillery faster?

eben it

[turbid badge]

ehh, u would place ashlock like in the back or attacking static enemies far away

[scarlet ledge]

fucker one shot it

s3 moments

[turbid badge]

there range is tacky

[scarlet ledge]

[cursive mango]

That’s nice to have, not nice to invest in early, makes sense

I’m currently getting Vigna to E2 so I can actually start playing without supports

[turbid badge]

yea , horn does alot of damage where this doesnt really matter as she can just crap any of her skills and delete the front line or just deal damge to enemies from afar without being in the back

ashlock doesnt have insane damage so there archetype/ and her skills isnt like that of a normal defender so its advised you dont build her right now

if you like her and want to try her out sure you can build her but just dont crank too much resources on her

[scarlet ledge]

@turbid badge ready for h stages?

its near

[rough anvil]

Yeah the archetype overall is meh because they're expensive and have strange range, but horn got the numbers to back her up

[cursive mango]

I basically have like 180k from doing my first annihilation yesterday, so it’s going to be split on vigna and getting main team to like E1 level 50

[loud edge]

Good job on your first annihilation

[cursive mango]

Vigna is like mega needed for single target damage, it’s like the one thing I lack

[hollow epoch]

Damn, this CC training is pretty insane, I clutched contingency 2 took me a good while too. Couldn't pop the bubble no matter what I done.

[cursive mango]

Ifrit be like blasting the lane haha, just about managed it due to perfumer E2 healing across map

[loud edge]

I beat the new annihilation with spec alter

[cursive mango]

That’s one thing I was going to ask - how do you get chip catalysts usually?

[rough anvil]

Farm the ap stages

[cursive mango]

Looks like red certs

[rough anvil]

And then buy them from the red cert shop

[cursive mango]

Aaaa rightio

Seems expensive sanity wise ;-;

[rough anvil]

Events will also usually give a few

So you don't need to omega farm them

[hollow epoch]

You can find some in the weekly tasks too

[cursive mango]

Is this after 4-4?

[rough anvil]

Some annihilation first time clear levels will also give them

[cursive mango]

I’m yet to clear 4-1

[hollow epoch]

I just stopped for a while after 3-8, I need to level my team. Having fun in integrated strategies

[rough anvil]

Tldr just farm them if you need them, but don't over farm for it because the game gives them to you as well

[hollow epoch]

Farming red certs kinda wasteful imho

[cursive mango]

I did red certs for a bit to get honeyberry for a 5 star healer, I kinda need the range she has

I’m close to E2 for exu then, yay

[rough anvil]

It's fine to farm red certs for chip catalysts, you also get alot of red certs from first time annihilation clears

[cursive mango]

Ye, though not sure I’m ready for some of them ;-;

[rough anvil]

I will farm red certs from time to time because I often run out of chip catalysts due to building ops consecutively

[hollow epoch]

Isn't Honeyberry mostly used to mitigate elemental damage? Her atack is pretty weak, can she even keep tanks alive?

[rough anvil]

Yes

Mostly used to mitigate elemental damage

[loud edge]

Is early stages probably

[cursive mango]

Normally I use perfumer and ansel

[rough anvil]

There are some nuances in the differences between honey and mulberry but the general tldr is honey is the best for healing strictly elemental damage, and meh on healing operator HP

[cursive mango]

They work out most of the time

[hollow epoch]

I might get her too

[cursive mango]

Honey is nice to have, so I can focus on levelling when I require it

[rough anvil]

If you have one you generally don't need the other, and if you don't have one it's a good option to have but not strictly necessary

[signal lichen]

i wish i spent more on honey then chesnut

[rough anvil]

As for whether she can keep tanks alive, that depends on how much damage theyre taking

[hollow epoch]

Gotcha, I am still in early stages so Myrrth and Ansel are great, but just got Perfumer and might have to think about elemental damage for the future

[loud edge]

Rip

[cursive mango]

Perfumer is great, she’s cute and also she do the omega heal

[turbid badge]

lul

perfumer is nice

she helps in later stages

[proud drift]

Just buy a honeyberry and be happy with how cute she is and how cutely she heals elemental damage

[signal lichen]

i used perfumer on i think every single chapter 11 stage now

[rough anvil]

She's someone I use to heal my ling dragons because I don't have skalter

[proud drift]

[signal lichen]

wonderful carry

[cursive mango]

On perfumer, is her module worth doing

[turbid badge]

4 star modules are cheap

[cursive mango]

I could in theory do it

[turbid badge]

Wlel

Hmm

[signal lichen]

i maxed hers

seems decent enough

for how often i been using her

[turbid badge]

It goes from 10 hps to 28hps

[cursive mango]

4 heals per heal is pretty op

[turbid badge]

its worth i guess

[signal lichen]

oh you want at lest mod 1

for sure

[rough anvil]

Does she get a one tile range extension on it? I don't think so right?

[turbid badge]

Nah

[signal lichen]

no but 4 targets over 3 targets is pretty good

[turbid badge]

Its good its mainly for the talent boost

[rough anvil]

Yeah that's solid for sure

[turbid badge]

and extra attack

from module

[signal lichen]

as for tier 2 and 3 thats kinda more up to you and is small bonus

pretty much how most mods are

[turbid badge]

yea

[signal lichen]

first stage is good but then 2 and 3 are just ok

[rough anvil]

And then you get the occasional spalters

Mod3 or Garbo

[turbid badge]

im hypedd for ceobe module

Dusk, Ceobe, Angelina (2nd module), Rosa i will be 3 stage

[glass monolith]

I hyped for Quercus, NTR, Kroos alter, Chalter skins

[rough anvil]

Same and the honey skin

[tidal sedge]

Will ifrit eyja and sa suffice for killing Mandragora?

[signal lichen]

that should be more then enough dps

u might still need to bait/be careful with pillar timings but yeah should be fine

[tidal sedge]

Does her tile lock attack have a CD?

Cuz I can just bait a random vg to take that awat

[proud drift]

Yes but it lasts full duration

So if she kills someone she retargets

You can also easily just stall her p1 with medic defender + 2 medics and then throw 4 stones at cat

[latent anvil]

when h stage

[tidal sedge]

And then go ham with my damage shredders?

[turbid badge]

idk why but kroos alter skin too intimidating for me holding crossbow with 1 hand

[glass monolith]

24 hours i think? chapter 11 was which day of week?

[latent anvil]

mart said 8 mins

from now at least

[proud drift]

Yes and no?

She has 60% damage resistance when she has an aura

A.k.a until you throw a stone at her

[tidal sedge]

Oh

[proud drift]

So that’s why stalling P1 is best

So you can save roccs for P2

[tidal sedge]

ye ik

[proud drift]

And with 4 rocks you only need to do like 4k damage total

[tidal sedge]

Who I use to kill p1 after stall?

do all the enemies spawn seperately from her phases?

[proud drift]

I mean nobody

You just throw a medic defender at her

And heal with 2 medics

[proud drift]

Ok uhh

Fully powered trees

Are very tanky

Took 3 full fia S2s under 50% fragile like it was nothing

Is there a cap to how much they stack?

[limpid siren]

their listed stats are their cap

at stage start they lose like 80%? of their stats

then it's something like % of stats returned per % enemies killed

[proud drift]

Bruh

Well at least now I know to be vary of funny trees

Cuz those mfs tanky af

[limpid siren]

in all the regular stages, you have the opportunity to activate them early

[proud drift]

Oh so AE cucks you out of it

[limpid siren]

if you catch them fast enough, even marksmen can take the rot eaters down without help

hmm?

[proud drift]

Or you meant smth else by regular stages

[limpid siren]

regular vs h stages

[scarlet fulcrum]

There is one stage where scavenger appear naturally at last iirc

[limpid siren]

i just haven't played h stages yet

so i can't speak to how any twigs work there, if any exist

[scarlet fulcrum]

No its from stories

[latent anvil]

H stage not out yet

It tomorrow

[limpid siren]

yeah it's the kaltits stage

yes

that is why

[scarlet fulcrum]

[limpid siren]

i haven't played them yet

[proud drift]

Well, I guess I need to kill them early huh

Curiosity killed the cat for me

[foggy grove]

They are cute if you leave them last

[proud drift]

Oh yeah they looked very cute emerging with glowing blades

[scarlet fulcrum]

Atleast The kal stage very fun, watching THE killing Kal just

[latent anvil]

If you don't touch them surely they won't wake up right

[foggy grove]

They will

[glass monolith]

THERE IS HOLE?

[proud drift]

Lmao

It was convenient for some dogos

Also

[lethal dragon]

Are devourers silence able?

[proud drift]

The hole was the first thing I saw when I opened map

[civic nest]

they’re silencable
it just doesn’t do anything

[lethal dragon]

Lapp took the L

😔

[limpid siren]

[civic nest]

wtfart

[proud drift]

Wait

They aren’t

[civic nest]

i remember silencing those

[proud drift]

But hey

They are gnosisable

[civic nest]

lemme check again

[lethal dragon]

Silence mark does appear

[civic nest]

yea

[proud drift]

Visual bug?

[civic nest]

wat da hell

[limpid siren]

no correlation between that mark appearing and an effect being silenced

the mark appears on enemies with nothing to silence too

[lethal dragon]

Fair

[civic nest]

ic

[signal lichen]

its a big ass bait

[proud drift]

Ya but it implies it’s silenced right

Whereas it says “immune”

So immune wouldn’t be silenced

[limpid siren]

it implies something applied silence to the enemy

not that something has been silenced

[civic nest]

ty igneus

very cool

[turbid badge]

H stage iut?

[surreal star]

not yet

tomorrow

[signal lichen]

when does the refund and sanity pots event end btw

[surreal star]

~8 days

[proud drift]

Who’s monika and why ban

[proud drift]

But if it’s immune to the silence effect

Wouldn’t the mark not appear simply

Since you cannot apply silence if immune?

Or is it more of a

Chill vs freeze type shit

[limpid siren]

it's just the way HG decided to handle it ig

[turbid badge]

summer monika

[limpid siren]

game just doesn't care about whether there is something to silence, or if the target is immune or not

[civic nest]

always thought that silence immune would just make them cross not appear

well the more you know

[scarlet fulcrum]

Its just mark yeah, thats why its fun to test in every event silencable enemies

[latent anvil]

That doesn't sound fun

[scarlet fulcrum]

It is, not for most ppl ofc

[civic nest]

it’s fun for masochist fr

[limpid siren]

tbh unless i peek through enemy files before running stages

i usually just find out because lappland is in the squad anyway

[civic nest]

do u always do 5* first

[limpid siren]

5* only?

yeah

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeah lapp and waai fu

[limpid siren]

oh i recently picked up waai fu rdp pot

🛐

finally

[civic nest]

wtfart pro

🛐

[limpid siren]

nah i'm bad

[turbid badge]

i love waiifu skin

[limpid siren]

just patient

[scarlet fulcrum]

🛐

[civic nest]

🛐

being patient

literally better than 90% of the community already

[limpid siren]

eh

i just like 5* units

[wary wing]

:blobishine:

[limpid siren]

they have actual weaknesses, and team building feels more nuanced

[turbid badge]

i wish i got paprika

[wary wing]

wdym igneus
mwynar doesn't attack offskill
ture weakness right there

[limpid siren]

lmao

[latent anvil]

Mine is gonna collect dust (paprika)

[civic nest]

so true

[limpid siren]

paprika is definitely cute

[civic nest]

the cute base animation

🔥

[wary wing]

the cute kid mercenary
not whatever W was in DM

[soft crystal]

Me when i 10 pulled and didnt get her

[latent anvil]

Least you didn't get mlynar dupe like me

[turbid badge]

did u get totter

[soft crystal]

No not totter either

[surreal star]

i did 76 pulls and no paprika

[soft crystal]

Sad day

[turbid badge]

Totter for sure tho right

[surreal star]

ye

stainless at 50ish

[turbid badge]

[civic nest]

everyone lucks crazy today 💀

[turbid badge]

i hope i can get Hunus

Humus

[surreal star]

i went a bit further for totter p6

[turbid badge]

he sounds really fun

[surreal star]

humus is with ines banner right?

[turbid badge]

i think(

[surreal star]

oof

[turbid badge]

hes 4 star

[proud drift]

I just witnessed a clip of 4mumus, hoolhe and spalter in the same 10pull

So yea

[surreal star]

i’ll cope with a ten pull then

[proud drift]

[turbid badge]

yea me to

[civic nest]

who’s stream are u guys watching

[turbid badge]

i saw another one in salt mines with a bunch of 6 star

[proud drift]

Wasn’t stream

Some random mizuki cosplayer

[civic nest]

ic

[turbid badge]

real

[tribal tide]

Can someone give a hint on main story 9-18? I'm trying to keep using my not-maxed low-trust squad to do it but I'm starting to think I'll need more than 1 defender

[civic nest]

send squad

[wary wing]

what was even 9-18

[civic nest]

i didn’t remember either

but 1 blue box so it wasn’t particularly hard from my memory

[tribal tide]

"using trust farm squad to keep things interesting" / "i told you I was jank"

[civic nest]

pozy s1?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Full of duo combo iirc, force tile also useful to separate them

[civic nest]

u said bad trust not bad skill

and isn’t ange s3 better for the stage

[tribal tide]

Which is the trick, because I don't even stay on the field long enough to deploy Pozy at all so it hadn't come up yet - just been trying to build up a solid backline and collapsing pillars on top of the incoming waves when they build up

[civic nest]

do u have any other low trust vg

grani not gonna kill anything for dp lol

[tribal tide]

I am aware
Only WildMane, and shes at 199% trust
So yeah, time to bite the bullet and use a Vanguard that isn't "scraping the bottom of the barrel"

[soft crystal]

Relying on canta only in that stage

Kinda hard

[tribal tide]

Well, you know how it goes with preserving any challenge
"using surtr is admitting you don't understand the problem"
Strictly speaking I could use Thorns because he's not maxed out yet but the principle is the same "ez mode lol"

[gentle finch]

is that 9-18

[civic nest]

so is your only problem the start of the map

[civic nest]

yea

[gentle finch]

hm it is

what an interesting squad

[soft crystal]

I think canta to pozy could work

And then ange to rotate skills between the two

[proud drift]

Sir

Where poze mod

[soft crystal]

Poze mod isnt that big of a deal tbh

[turbid badge]

whats the dps difference?

[civic nest]

call lolicon

@storm current hey

ik u love pozy

wats the dps difference

[storm current]

uh

need back reading

uh

no mod pozy vs modded pozy?

[civic nest]

yea

[storm current]

its 55atk even for mod1 i guess

also

why trust farming 9-18

[soft crystal]

Not really a trust farm per say from what i see

More like self imposed challenge

[storm current]

uh

then its quite an easy stage but i would bring a tank to stall the companion bro

[soft crystal]

Yeah itried it with only canta, ange, pozy, bison (my only e1 lvl70 defender) and ptilopsis it was pretty easy

[turbid badge]

slowers are so fun

should probably raise mostima

[proud drift]

Why are the cars shooting pink uhh

funny-shaped objects

[turbid badge]

oh u can spark spec alter in muelseye

nooce

[proud drift]

Btw teta

Why are you doing that stage so much

Lmao

Is it a farm stage

[hollow forum]

it's a salt farm stage ye

[proud drift]

Adverse farming?

[hollow forum]

either 11-3 or 11-5, which is that

probably are just testing stuff out or smth, idk

since 11-3 is more efficient and easier to do

[scarlet fulcrum]

And Faster

[signal lichen]

oh right

11-15 is the salt stage

its also the hardest stage i have played imo

in the chapter

[lethal dragon]

Huge banner

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390756814532378634/1102599341966889130/Screenshot_2023-05-01-22-12-59-08_246f1504a3bec150e92f9dd9be652717.jpg

7 operators available for spark

And skin shop is big

[signal lichen]

time to whale for the spark

tough choices

[lethal dragon]

Spark on sexas

[hollow forum]

speaking of skins

I wonder when the AS2023 skin set will show up in global / jp

[lethal dragon]

Both have same efficiency

Go for 11-3 so you can also trust farm

[signal lichen]

what if i told u i only have no one to trust farm

[hollow forum]

ngl I've been hearing conflicting info regarding this

but usually it's always 11-3 just for the fact that it's easier to do

some say it's the same efficiency, others say 11-3 is better

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just do faster stage, qol

[turbid badge]

More fun

There practically the same so y not

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597785444220941/1102200888782749717/Screenshot_2023-04-30-16-52-33-74_e4424258c8b8649f6e67d283a50a2cbc.jpg