strategy

[dapper meadow]

Looks like Kirito S2 and S3 look good. For those planning on building her, which one yall planning on getting m3 on first? Leaning S2 rn

[storm current]

s3 is more versatile

s2 niche is just fast dmg

[main halo]

So I guess the Y version for other AoE healers will allow them to heal 4 as once?

I dunno

[lethal dragon]

@main halo you can see X have an effect and Y have another

[lethal dragon]

Yeah

Once they get it

[frigid kite]

No way!!!!

[main halo]

If they can that is

[glass monolith]

Passanger Z module when

[proud drift]

I’ll stick to X on ptilo probably

[lethal dragon]

Well HG is giving slowly slowly

[main halo]

You're not the only one

[proud drift]

• 1 range too yummy

[lethal dragon]

Where's my bard operators

[frigid kite]

Ebenholz Z module*

[lethal dragon]

For example kal recently got her Y branch

[frigid kite]

What would their module be

[main halo]

I'd love to have Z modules as well

[eager gate]

would people call Eben Godholz if he gets a mod that turns him "good"?

[lethal dragon]

Inspire Can stack

[frigid kite]

Him hitting 40k every few seconds

Yes please

[lethal dragon]

Eben got both his mods and still 🚮
Don't ping me

[eager gate]

@lethal dragon

[lethal dragon]

[main halo]

Passenger's mod X makes him pretty strong

Combine that with Ptilopsis X and he'll be spamming S3

[eager gate]

It does, most of the people have forgotten him anyways because it doesn't make him clear your level with 1 press

[frigid kite]

Passenger is pretty broken actually

But he has 1 flawless problem

He is AoE Caster

[main halo]

High ass DP

[lethal dragon]

He is a caster*

[eager gate]

just bring 2 flags to the level for dp problem

[lethal dragon]

Aoe casters just sucks more

[vital arrow]

Passenger when chapter 12 drops

[frigid kite]

Passenger replaced with Exu wow

Very cool

[lethal dragon]

https://youtu.be/uBJUM6fQw40

Musha god is here with w video

[eager gate]

oh yes I haven't ever seen anyone mention how Exu mod casually made her talent x3 in value for no reason

[frigid kite]

Normal mode tho

[frigid kite]

Her damage got up to 750~ Def range, really nice

And with the aerial thing, she would easily kill the flying things from Episode 12... My guess

[lethal dragon]

Doesn't even take full skill

[eager gate]

meanwhile Mudmud s3 can't kill one

ohwait, HG did introduce musha mods on cn yes?

[main halo]

Yeah

[eager gate]

I wonder if they made Utage into 40sec redeploy

[main halo]

Hellagur has Sanctuary effect

[frigid kite]

Meanwhile

[main halo]

And his HP required for max ASPD is 50%

[frigid kite]

Noirthalos hitting the good numbers

[eager gate]

hg please, she's got a -redeploy talent

why would you put THIS on arts unit

[vernal lion]

musha moment

[gleaming lodge]

Are you expecting a good module for a 4* ??

That's a crucial mistake

[soft crystal]

But PeRfUmerrrr and PuResTreAm tho

[gleaming lodge]

Do they have a "good" module ?

[soft crystal]

Im being sarcastic

[gleaming lodge]

Or is it just a slightly bigger number on a funny but irrelevant talent ?

[soft crystal]

But #help used to say its one of the best ones

[gleaming lodge]

Bruh

Who said that in #help ?

[soft crystal]

Idk but it was a popular opinion

Imo cutter and ethan mod are pretty good

Otherwise others are just stat modules

[gleaming lodge]

Indigo's module is nice as well

But I'm probably just biased on this one

[soft crystal]

100 hps on skill global regen on perfumer module woaaaah

[gleaming lodge]

Meh
Irrelevant

[foggy grove]

muh global healing

i did mod 3 her because she is my sole aoe healer for along time,not because it's good

[soft crystal]

People saying that Purestream is better than Whisperrain too

[main halo]

Huh???

[soft crystal]

I remember dumb takes in help

[vernal lion]

purestream is better than whisperrain because of big burst healing

[scarlet ledge]

well purestream have bigger burst

plus module made it much better

beating sus burst healing if skilled active

[eager gate]

Ethan, Cutter

[latent monolith]

Ethan cutter purestream have rather good modules

[gleaming lodge]

I mean, sure, that's cool
But are you gonna use them ?

The answer is no

[latent monolith]

Yes I do

[eager gate]

I do use them

[gleaming lodge]

Mlynar sweep

[latent monolith]

I have all three of them mod 3

and do use them

I have mlynar too

[scarlet ledge]

ofc mlynar

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah because you want to have fun

Which is certainly the best way to play the game

[latent monolith]

Horse uncle too op

[gleaming lodge]

But those ops are not good

[eager gate]

They're good as far as I'm concerned because they get the job done

you don't have to define good relative to the most op unit currently available

It's subjective is what I want to say
Now there ARE objectively not good ops tho

[gleaming lodge]

Good as in Meow's definition
"Does something useful, far better than anyone else"

Cutter just deals moderate amounts of damage

Ethan has decent CC but huh... Suzu Saria

[fresh copper]

"decent" CC

[scarlet ledge]

[gleaming lodge]

And Purestream?
Healing?
In 2023 ?

[scarlet ledge]

decent cc

[fresh copper]

Who tf?

Who wants to tell him?

[scarlet ledge]

who knows

[gleaming lodge]

Ethan is saved simply because bind immune isn't a thing (outside of CC#4 colossus)

[dapper meadow]

Ethan the GOAT against the IW enemies

[vernal lion]

I wonder what Mlynar mod will be

[scarlet ledge]

DAMAGE OFC

[vernal lion]

[gleaming lodge]

Cope all you want, 30up 25down isn't that great of a cycle

And in IW you use Ethan S1 lmao

[scarlet ledge]

[fresh copper]

Aight you can stop trolling now

[glass monolith]

+27 hp +3 Res

[gleaming lodge]

If I want to mass slow something I just proc Mud S3 and she also kills everything

I'm not trolling

4* are irrelevant

Get over it

[glass monolith]

You having fun wrong way

[gleaming lodge]

The only way to play this game is to nuke everything
And when you need to stall it's BK + Lisk

[scarlet ledge]

i love this shit

[dapper meadow]

maybe for you, I've used my E2 L70 Ethan w/ mod3 enough to be satisfied w/ the cost. And I still use Myrtle from time to time

[scarlet ledge]

im having fun rn on #strategy

[gleaming lodge]

Oh I am having a lot of fun don't worry about me
I raised a bunch of stupid things like Toddi and am having a blast with them
But they aren't good, I'm aware of it

[eager gate]

Damn, sorry. I almost legit answered and you made a post this fat

[dapper meadow]

ok agree on that. If I cant mindlessly clear a stage by brute force alone, without knowing the mechanics, then game is wrong.

[gleaming lodge]

Are you one of those that still believe Myrtle is the best flag ?

[fresh copper]

E2 Mod 3 Ethan ain't just good

[dapper meadow]

nah man i almost exclusively use Sail S1M3, except for CC R26+ and the occasional CM -EX or -S stage

[scarlet ledge]

ye binds aint good

[fresh copper]

He's actually broken when he can theoretically stall infinitely

[dapper meadow]

pinboard for 4star tbh

[gleaming lodge]

"theoretically"
Probabilities do not lie my friend

[dapper meadow]

that was the initial reason, but Im glad i chose him as the 4star. Ive used him frequently enough to not regret it

[glass monolith]

Stall during skill is active

Waiting for operator who just says "fuck it, prolong any ongoing skills"

And then find way to infinite loop it

[gleaming lodge]

That's Liskarm

[dapper meadow]

Surtr, with a host of medics behind her: allow me to introduce myself

[gleaming lodge]

More specifically
Lisk + BK stall

[honest dove]

I'm having fun rn on Honkai Star Rail, the latest high quality gacha game produced by Hoyoverse, this time featuring turn based strategy with a high quality story across multiple planets

[dapper meadow]

always enjoy watching people's Surtr & Co. clears

[glass monolith]

No i mean like literaly, prolong. Slap +50 seconds to goldenglow S3

[dapper meadow]

ohh. Yeah that'd be broken

[eager gate]

that could be an item in IS

[scarlet ledge]

[eager gate]

"X class skills last 100% longer, but have -50% atk when skill not active"

you know what scrap that downside

[scarlet ledge]

[vernal lion]

sounds like science

[scarlet ledge]

naga will fund me 5000 Originite Prime

[sweet marlin]

has anyone tried amiya guard s2 on phantom? can she kill him when he stops for the first time in the upper left corner near the box?

[eager gate]

caster s3 is better at killing phantom

but with enough buffs guard can work too

[vernal lion]

I'm broke from GG event last year

[honest dove]

I'd rather just bring Caster Amiya on s3

[sweet marlin]

tbh i forgot caster amiya s3

[vernal lion]

tbh I enjoy my s3m3

[eager gate]

What does NagaKnights' s3 do?

[sweet marlin]

however with caster you need to charge up her skill first

[proud drift]

Isn’t myrtle faster dp than sail?

Cause myrtle is cheaper to deploy than sail?

[eager gate]

shieldguys tho

[proud drift]

Or are we thinking long-term dp gain

[scarlet ledge]

but less dp

long term dp is for sail and ely s1

cause they are the same anyway

hello dswowpey dalaodladoaldlsaoaoaoa

[proud drift]

Cause I’d love to raise saileach to like s1m3 and s3m3, but I keep hearing propaganda that myrtle is better than sail if strictly DP gains

[scarlet ledge]

myrtle have faster activation

[eager gate]

Myrtle wins if all you need is the first cast, Ely/Sail otherwise

she activates like 4sec faster iirc?

[vernal lion]

fastest dp, yes
highest dp, no

[scarlet ledge]

naga

i use siege

[sweet marlin]

i don't have experience with caster amiya s3, never tried before but yeah she should be able to charge her skill with the shieldguys, i'll give it a try ty

[proud drift]

With saileach I can also have a full 6* squad

[vernal lion]

me too

[sweet marlin]

no m3 tho

[scarlet ledge]

if i need extra vgs

bring zima

[eager gate]

ew rarity abuser
jk play w/e you want

[vernal lion]

Sail does buff melee op better

[scarlet ledge]

true

ngl i use sail much more

cause s3

[proud drift]

I enjoy the game when I can clear things

Or when Fia is good

🛐

[vernal lion]

I just enjoy testing

[scarlet ledge]

oh

i use fia there

but spawcamp

[proud drift]

Oh ig I could’ve dropped her on bottom row

[eager gate]

understandable
I just play whatever units I like as characters and low op stages sometimes

[scarlet ledge]

yep

ur dumb

"fia experts"

[proud drift]

[glass monolith]

Man i love when i do random shit and then see "You completed Module mission" pop up

e2 medic chip stage auto triggered "use s3 5 times" on Pallas

[vernal lion]

Lee mod farm belike:

[glass monolith]

Eunectes both module missions in same map looks like

Kill Brutes + Deal damage. But brutes don't have enough HP to fulfill damage part

[vernal lion]

man why do I feel CC risk here?

[hard urchin]

Recommending ops ?

[astral oyster]

What stage and show roster please

[hard urchin]

🤡

[astral oyster]

What stage again

I forgor map too easily

[hard urchin]

[astral oyster]

Not like u state it b4

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile I know where I will be for next 2 weeks

[astral oyster]

10-6

[hard urchin]

10 15 AE

[vernal lion]

Pozy mod farm lol

think I can just use s2 and make a duo Exu Pozy

[glass monolith]

Just saying #strategy message

[astral oyster]

Your lineup is fine

Just remember to kill the carts on the left first

Or else your ops fie fast

Die

Oh cannon agro just use ling 4 block dragon

[main moth]

[glass monolith]

(He doesn't know than Ash kill stealed as average R6 player )

[vernal lion]

I knew tho

that's why I pressed her s2

[astral oyster]

The only thing i remember ash for is no head hitbox

[vernal lion]

to delay the attack

[main moth]

Using ash? Must be old 👴

[vernal lion]

there's duo tho

I don't have time

[astral oyster]

Am still young then

[vernal lion]

you know what, fuck it
I do it myself

[main moth]

Fake, this is practice, mod mission doesn't count

[vernal lion]

why do I need to do it again

[main moth]

[gleaming lodge]

yeah but that's BS
Myrtle is better up to the second skill proc iirc
but she brings a lot less than Ely or Sail

so yes

Myrtle being better is just veterans coping

[proud drift]

I have so many things to raise but always broke

Idk what to do

Can sexas event come sooner

So I can raise an op

[gleaming lodge]

didn't you just say you wear broke ?

[hollow forum]

I need help with H9-5.

I've got a semi consistent strat down for about 2/3rd of the stage already, but during the last 2 waves the fireball dudes will always break the debris for whatever reason, pretty much killing the run. Don't know exactly what I should be doing for that part at all.

And as for support, I've been borrowing phantom.

[vernal lion]

this burst formation is so good lol

[glass monolith]

Boss: Has just 500 def
Buff squads: I WILL REDUCE IT ANYWAY

[vernal lion]

still -200 def worth

[proud drift]

Huh did I

I think you mistook me for sm1 unless you misspelled were for wear

Cuz I am broke af on lmd

And kinda mats but those can be farmed

[gleaming lodge]

oh true, LMD issue

[astral oyster]

Im using sail s3 as opener how cope am i

[gleaming lodge]

you're good

[storm current]

for 11-20?

i dont even use vanguard

lol

[gleaming lodge]

it's not like vanguards aren't that useful anyway

[storm current]

gladiia > mountain is real

s3 art moment

ye shamare trivialize the stage pretty hard

[tidal sedge]

What in the Terra is this

[astral oyster]

Playwright ending

[elder flume]

loli test steam knights soft lock for me

[storm current]

what soft lockc

[tidal sedge]

So another floor after Phantom?

[astral oyster]

SK have soft lock?

[elder flume]

knight sets a missile target > knight enters stairs > knight appears outside stairs and does jump animation > target is outside of supposed range > cannot compute next sequence and forever stuck outside of map

[storm current]

wait

he enter stair?

[elder flume]

theres a map where he does enter

[storm current]

[astral oyster]

What

[storm current]

uh

[elder flume]

im guessing h stage

[storm current]

the 0 cost stage?

[elder flume]

oh is it 0 cost

idk i havent gone there

[astral oyster]

Its the must leak stage

[storm current]

from your description

most likely not

since its a scripted lose

[astral oyster]

But did the scripted SK fire rockets?

I thought he only lighsaber swing

[elder flume]

i'll get to it eventually

almost done with all hsr content anyway

[latent anvil]

hsr is honkai star rail?

[elder flume]

uhuh

[storm current]

what 5*

i get the gei

[astral oyster]

Mihoyo game 🚮

[latent anvil]

I got bronya

[storm current]

i got the cringe

[latent anvil]

But I have negative time to play

will grind in a few weeks, not now

[vernal lion]

ok I can take this auto

[storm current]

hmm

[astral oyster]

Game paying you to play

[storm current]

have you try gladiia top lane

s3 can reach the cars

and kill them with art

[native crescent]

Hello, it's my first time chatting here, i'm quite struggling with this hellish creature that i want to throw in the deepest depths of hell lancer in IS2 stages

Is the only way to deal with them is to use fast redeploys in front of them?

[elder flume]

stairs

[vernal lion]

wait can I do speedrun this boss stage?

[storm current]

oh

[vernal lion]

sounds good to me

[storm current]

that look like h11-4

i remember the 4* only clear with h11-4

[glass monolith]

Do you like DOG?

[elder flume]

have you considered aiming your piencone left to spawncamp

[native crescent]

.....

Oh

[proud drift]

Another way is mudmud

[native crescent]

Which i dont have unfortunately

[proud drift]

Can always borrow start one

[native crescent]

🥹

[astral oyster]

No mud mud time to reroll

[storm current]

@native crescent theres 3 main way
if its normal, mudrock perma tank, else you want a decel binder or some kind of slow to negate the instance of dmg
sniper that shoot them down, since sarcaz lancer has low def high res
block with body, tactian, dollkeeper, summoner

if its emergency, you must tank them

[latent anvil]

Definitely not the 'only way', slows, stuns, killing them, all options

[native crescent]

Wait, slowing them can reduce the stacked damage?

[vernal lion]

man I need to build Tachanka

I'm lacking this dude

[proud drift]

If they hit you while slowed, yes

Their damage is based on speed at the time of impact

[storm current]

yes, the charge scale with speed
but they must be slow right before they hit

[astral oyster]

Their att is based on movement speed if not speed dmg =0

[proud drift]

So if they hit you while slowed - it’s smol

[elder flume]

its funi lancers count as 2 damage instances

[native crescent]

I see i see, definitely wont struggle again with is

[storm current]

their atk is an absolute number
but they will do an additional hit scale with their current speed

[elder flume]

soon we will have hogs doing 3 instances of damage

[astral oyster]

I see i always thought they deal 0 dmg

[void kelp]

Can we discuss upcoming anni strats here?

[elder flume]

prob

[vital arrow]

Tl'dr bring lapp

[main halo]

We're going to have SN anni

Which is great

[astral oyster]

Go try if u get warned we will remember your sacrifices

[vernal lion]

SN anni is boring

[void kelp]

SN anni? Aw man

[latent anvil]

Yea

[lethal dragon]

https://youtu.be/gQuwGc9UNxY

Holy shit niań

[astral oyster]

I built lappland recently just jn case of that garbo

[elder flume]

old strat was alr discussing how to do latest cn content and finding possible bugs

[native crescent]

Anniversary stages are coming less in a week?

[main halo]

These slippery bitches who dodge everything lol

[lethal dragon]

Niań be like triple scaling what's that?

[void kelp]

Is thorns replaceable in general content?

[main halo]

Yep

[lethal dragon]

In cn he is dead

[void kelp]

Really want to send pics here
But am afraid i gonna get warned

[latent anvil]

Nah go ahead trust

[native crescent]

[latent anvil]

Source: trust me

[vital arrow]

I mean what kind of general content

[native crescent]

[void kelp]

Upcoming SN anni

[vital arrow]

Well thorns is kinda ass even in SN

[void kelp]

Ye but i think he's an integral part in the vid ima copy

[vital arrow]

Then sure he's good for that strst

I mean mostima is an integral part of cc12 max risk

She's still ass evrywhere else

[glass monolith]

Pushes seaborn into red box and kill them here to prevent creep spawn

[astral oyster]

Ppl go too comfy with thorns

[vital arrow]

Thorns just kinda fell off because he hits like wet noodle off skill

[latent anvil]

Yea but tbf thorns carries a ton of stuff still

[vital arrow]

And his offskill period is a tad too long for recent content

[void kelp]

Was gonna replace him with lappy
But lappy is needed with thorns for sn anni

[gleaming lodge]

old strat actually had brain lmao
now if you say "Ethan mod is cool but he is still irrelvant" you get

[dapper meadow]

Ethan mod is cool and he is relevant in some recent content

[vital arrow]

He does have a spot in like IS3 stall

But that's pretty much it

[astral oyster]

Im gonna use stainless as replacement as copium

[storm current]

nah

according to kermit

[dapper meadow]

used him for a stage in last event, cant remember which one. And ofc anything with IW enemies

[storm current]

no

[vital arrow]

Ethan fell off?

Erato+nothing gaming?

[gleaming lodge]

Ethan was never relevant
he works for a 4*, which is already pretty insane

[dapper meadow]

Ethan did not fall off. Newer operators that provide insane amounts of damage simply provide a more optimal choice for clears

[storm current]

and mayer gaming

or at least

before texas exist in CN

[vital arrow]

Ethan never had a pedestal to fall off from tbh

Unless you count cc beta

[dapper meadow]

He's a niche operator, so he shares the same fate

[vital arrow]

People just like to put an op on a pedestal because they work really well for this one specific niche

[gleaming lodge]

that's what I was saying a few hours ago

but people coping with SG clears is too strong I guess

[dapper meadow]

dont know of many putting him on a pedestal. I simply think that he excels at his niche, with no other operator providing what he can. That being said, he's absolutely not necessary, as you could just use a different strat and not bring him

[gleaming lodge]

multi-bind is his only niche
but huh, many ops can slow in a big zone
like Suzu, Saria, Mudrock, who also excel at other stuff

[dapper meadow]

I would not call him bad. I think he's strong in his specialized role, but that role is in demand so sparingly that you really shouldnt spend resources on him till you take care of higher prio stuff

[gleaming lodge]

and before you say "huh but these are 6* !!"
yes, that's the point of gacha

[dapper meadow]

"but huh, many ops can slow in a big zone"
thats not multi-bind though...?

[gleaming lodge]

no

[lethal dragon]

Man

[gleaming lodge]

that's slowing down the enemies progress

which is literally what multi-bind does

[vital arrow]

We have pengu for expensive multi bind

[gleaming lodge]

bind is interesting because no-one is immune to it
but that's also true for slow
(except for CC4 golems)

Mag has a lot more versatility than Ethan yes

[proud drift]

Ngl

Suzuran’s slow is so potent

It’s like a bind

I remember doing IC S drone and suzuran made it basically stay in place for the pozemka target practice

[gleaming lodge]

80% slow is quite big yes

[elder flume]

i cant do stacked feater push before enemy dies due to lack of mud n suzu

[dapper meadow]

yeah Im not disagreeing with you for the most part. In most cases I'd bring Suzu, but when you need bind and not just a slow...literally no one else can match him. Guess i just value bind more than others

[proud drift]

Doesn’t Slow have a funny thing that it stacks with sluggish

So you can make enemies even slower than 80%?

Or is there a slow cap

Like, lowest movement speed

[lethal dragon]

You Literally never need binds except in cc4 golems ig

[dapper meadow]

and ive used bind on events in the recent past, so imn still using him

[dapper meadow]

you never need 6star ops and max E2 outside of high risk cc?

[lethal dragon]

Huh

[main halo]

Is Meteorite any good?

[foggy grove]

imagine having suzu
been coping with ely or saria to slow down things

[vital arrow]

No

[gleaming lodge]

yes
sluggish slow (80%) doesn't stack with effects of the same name
but you can stack Saria and Suzu S3

[main halo]

Classic #help again

[dapper meadow]

im saying just because you dont need an operator doesnt mean that the operator is useless

[vital arrow]

Meteorite is like when you want big aoe damage with range abuse

[proud drift]

@limpid siren can answer indepth maybe

[vital arrow]

We now have horn for that

[proud drift]

I saw ppl say meteorite is ok for 5*

But Igneus is a 5* player so maybe he knows lul

Leite also plays 5* now too iirc

[gleaming lodge]

if you never need something then it's useless

bind is never needed

[dapper meadow]

If you guys didnt use Ethan on Anni 14, yall missed out. Was fun

[gleaming lodge]

except in CC beta I guess

tf is anni 14 again ?

[vital arrow]

IW anni

[proud drift]

Ethan was used for anni 14 for different reason

Which could’ve been replaced with aoe snipers and aosta

[lethal dragon]

Did you use him for binds? Or aoe arts dot

[vital arrow]

Ethan is the budget option for furniture enemies

[dapper meadow]

ok fair enough, used his S1

[lethal dragon]

Even in aoe arts dot you could use aosta

[gleaming lodge]

you can use Ifrit as well

[lethal dragon]

Yeah

[latent anvil]

meteorite is good according to lol;

[lethal dragon]

Also Cc12 is probably the best example
Stall was needed there the most and still ppls didn't use Ethan

[main halo]

Shirayuki does better job at taking out high DEF enemies

[dapper meadow]

i used ifrit too? Plenty of other strats enabled the same, but Ethan crushes that anni. Just because other ops do something well does not somehow magically make them useless?

[main halo]

But I won't waste my time arguing at #help

[glass monolith]

Wasn't there root immunity risk?

[proud drift]

Idk help is a useless channel for the most part, is just ppl shitposting there

[foggy grove]

have you used meteorite with mod 3?

[proud drift]

And other ppl are too scared to ask here since it’s more of an elite focused channel

[lethal dragon]

I don't remember any? Bruh

[vital arrow]

People just don't want to mald bind rng

When there are consistent options

[dapper meadow]

its like people saying SA or Exu are bad now. They arent bad, there are just better options. Same with Ethan. He's not bad, its just that in the vast majority of cases, there are better strats or ops. But even so, he excels at his niche. Dont really have more to say that that

[vital arrow]

Like shifting/slow

Mostima particularly works because she has the special slow

[gleaming lodge]

no one said that lmao

SA and Exu are still really good

Ethan was never good

[dapper meadow]

yeah not here, sorry, shoulda clarified i see it in #help every now and then

[vernal lion]

man so you ARE the timegate lol

[gleaming lodge]

again, he works for his role as a 4*, which is already a lot to ask

for example, Indigo is also really good at ST bind
is she relevant ?
no

[dapper meadow]

I mean, shit on gamepress tier list all you want. A+ is far from failing

[vital arrow]

Gamepress tierlist again

[gleaming lodge]

gamepress TL is better than it used to be
but remember that it's still an inter-class tierlist

[vital arrow]

I mean being on par with mizuki

[dapper meadow]

yeah its not exactly the best, but for the most part they get a lot of things right

[vital arrow]

Is not a high ceiling

[opal kiln]

shirayuki does no damage her only use is slow

[gleaming lodge]

AoE snipers are higher than C
which is weird

[proud drift]

Fiammetta

And some W memes I guess

[dapper meadow]

yeah 100% right on that, wish they'd clearly mark that so newer players understand that some archetypes are weak

[opal kiln]

that's in the new player tierlist

[dapper meadow]

vs hoping they read the archetypenew player guide

[proud drift]

I do think tierlists with no context are stupid

Cause it’s just

Unit - Tier

And no explanation whatsoever or categories

[gleaming lodge]

a tierlist without a wall of explanation is pointless

[vital arrow]

People just like seeing S beside their favorite operator

[proud drift]

A tierlist I use for nikke and honkai star rail has categories of tierlists for each unit AND has a whole ass thesis on why it’s good or bad

[dapper meadow]

but yeah, definitely room for improvement

[proud drift]

[vital arrow]

Tbf we do have that here

And gamepress has that too

But who reads anyways

[gleaming lodge]

bro do you play Nikke seriously

[sonic willow]

Gamepress new player tier list is good

General tier list sucks

[proud drift]

I like the writing in it

Fanservice is bonus

But it has a really nice writing

[gleaming lodge]

yeah ok mate

[sonic willow]

Nikke was good

For 5 minutes

[dapper meadow]

oh i havent checked new player guide in a while, curious what changes have been made

ok yeah thats what i like to see

[proud drift]

At the end of the day AK is about using what you want and learning the game

A lot of the game is doable without E1 even

[frigid kite]

Wtf

[vital arrow]

Please don't mald E0 clears

[frigid kite]

Good advice?

[vital arrow]

[gleaming lodge]

yes

[dapper meadow]

? wym wtf?

[gleaming lodge]

GP tierlist isn't bad

it used to be

but now it's pretty good

[dapper meadow]

when would you say it improved?

like recently?

[gleaming lodge]

I can say that as a member of the gamepress team discord lol

I would say a year ago it started being decent

[latent anvil]

Wtf spai

[vital arrow]

When azoor joined?

[gleaming lodge]

it still has the usual issues fro the TL format

[dapper meadow]

i mean, they updated inventory item order much quicker this time, last time it took so long (for planner)

[gleaming lodge]

probably yeah

[dapper meadow]

so they are definitely improving

[sonic willow]

Archetype tiering sucks

[vital arrow]

Makes sense

[frigid kite]

Can you guys add like, a Night mode

[sonic willow]

Use your browser's force dark mode

[frigid kite]

Still white, well, it might be versions

[proud drift]

Opera gx says hi

[dapper meadow]

i love opera workspace features

[sonic willow]

Yesyesyes

[frigid kite]

Pretty nice

[sonic willow]

I'm still gigabummed they removed the Google search hotkey

[dapper meadow]

didnt even know there was one tbh, i only use opera for misc stuff

[foggy grove]

opera used to be my main browser,idr when i stopped using it

[main halo]

OperaGX is pretty resource sufficent as oppose to Chrome

Like you can limit the RAM it consumes

[dapper meadow]

opera is good enough that im tempted to use software that CCP has authority over

so too is Arknights i guess

[sonic willow]

Ccp?

[dapper meadow]

for my first phone game, cant complain. Really enjoy the strategic nature of it

[main halo]

Chinese government

[dapper meadow]

Gov't of China (Chinese Communist Party)

[sonic willow]

I couldn't care less if the Chinese president knew I was into manga

[main halo]

Even though only one of the mods is online, let's not stray too far yeah?

[dapper meadow]

i hope Gamepress/Krooster/other sites with a operator planner add OCR, i think its the last QoL/luxury i'd ever need for this game ||at least until next month when i think of another||

How does TexAlter's damage compare to some of the op ops we have right now?

I know she's good, and have mats ready for E2 and masteries, just never dug deep and compared her to anyone else

[sonic willow]

Higher dps than surtr so

[dapper meadow]

oh damn

[storm current]

if you want specific statistic

surtr dps is ~2720

texas s2 is around 3.3k ish

in term of total dmg

surtr reach ~88k for 32 second

texas s2 is 30k without reset

[main halo]

Texas is a fast redeploy after all

Not meant for long standing

[storm current]

most people pay attention to is the fact that surtr doesnt die as fast like texas

and surtr hit multiple

texas s2 really need stationary enemies most of the time

[limpid siren]

she's fine, not amazing, not garbage
just resoundingly fine, does a decent job of handling mooks but that's not super impressive

[storm current]

im trying to use meteorite in chapter 11 recently

eh not exactly ideal since enemies have too much def

this is with archetto + chen

[main halo]

You should really see the way the whole argument played out in #help

[dapper meadow]

for those of yall m6'ing TexAlter, doing S2 or S3 first? Dont think too many do S1 before the other two

[vital arrow]

Who even m3d S1 texalt

[storm current]

idk

simp

[vital arrow]

S3 is her most used skill because aoe and stun

[limpid siren]

i don't really care about #help's opinions on things

[storm current]

but who tf simp texas

[limpid siren]

they talk a lot of shit about units they've never used, nor will use

[dapper meadow]

a very small amount of CN

[vital arrow]

Yeah simps ig

[main halo]

People have different tastes

[storm current]

but ye

i have maxed firewatch and meteorite

thus im qualified to give opinion

[limpid siren]

congratulations

[storm current]

i will say eh

not exactly spectacular

only sometimes fun in IS2

[vital arrow]

Wow ines S3 icon does look ass

[storm current]

firewatch isnt very good in IS2 either

[limpid siren]

that's wrong

[storm current]

[vital arrow]

Firewatch kinda comfy in IS2

But I mostly pick may for sniper tix

[storm current]

i think i rarely see her shine

[cosmic dagger]

I did m6 on cn, and ended up using s3 much much more than s2, so I would recommend s3 first

[limpid siren]

firewatch is always a quiet achiever

[storm current]

only occasionally maps like

balloons

or dancer

ye shes good there

[proud drift]

Doesn’t firewatch work with pasta

[dapper meadow]

yeah thats what i was leaning towards, stun seems much more appealing

[storm current]

s2?

[limpid siren]

no

too slow

[vital arrow]

Her delay is too long

[proud drift]

Bruh

Cringe

[storm current]

game work weirdly

[vital arrow]

Just like how ifrit doesn't work with pasta

[storm current]

apparently some skill scale with the dmg when skill is pressed

like w s3 from what i heard

[proud drift]

Ifrit and fia can work with pasta if u get enough aspd

[limpid siren]

it's literally like

[proud drift]

Actually idk ifrit

[limpid siren]

just w s3

[vital arrow]

Yeah W S3 is snapshot attack

So you can see funni numbers

[storm current]

ye idk why its an exception

[proud drift]

But fia works with pasta with like 110+ ASPD

[vital arrow]

Make more snapshot attacks like W

Looks cool

Ass to use though sometimes

[limpid siren]

dynamic is almost always better

[vital arrow]

I remember when gladiia came out

And people trying W S3 and gladiia S3

[storm current]

how did it turn out

i feel like

most enemies just die from gladiia s3 anyway

[vital arrow]

Just meme

[storm current]

[vital arrow]

They were testing it on H7-4

[glass monolith]

My main usage of Gladiia S3 is glorified Rosa S3 because i don't have Rosa

[storm latch]

Lord... After 2.5 years of playing this game i get beaten to a pulp by H10-1, anybody got advices, or a good guide i can follow ?

[storm current]

Uh

What do you have

Its understandable since the map is 3 lane defend

[main halo]

You're not the only one

[glass monolith]

All i recall of H10-1 is that i was trying to stall boss until i resolve other lanes

[main halo]

That stage kicked my ass many times over

[storm latch]

I mean when Manfred isn't beating my kal and my fast redeploys

[glass monolith]

i think i used Kal support for top lane, might be wrong

[main halo]

Mind showing your team?

[storm latch]

gimme a sec or two

gotta launch the game again...

[proud drift]

H10-1 isn’t so bad if you got some rarity

Like mountain kaltsit

Maybe a ntr borrow

[storm latch]

...

Saw my profile picture ?

got nearlter lvl 90 M9 module lvl 3

[proud drift]

Can try stalling manfred with healers + modded blebishine

Well hey

I could put W profile pic and not have her

[main halo]

[proud drift]

Since it’s near-impossible to get her

But ya if u have kaltsit ntr then manfred is piss easy for you

[storm latch]

fun fact W is my most obtained 6*

[storm latch]

nah trust me it aien't that much in hell stage

[proud drift]

Iirc what I did is stall his phase 1 with blebishine + 2 medics

Mountain topside

And cannon spam botside

Hence why stall

To spam cannon

[main halo]

Or you can also borrow a Pozy to make life easier for you

Her mod ignores dodge

Various options

[storm latch]

hey i'm here cuz i'm smol brain okay...

[proud drift]

I think I had mudrock botside for cannon baiting?

[storm latch]

i didn't thought of that

[proud drift]

I just remember my plan was to stall manfred to abuse cannon

[storm latch]

yeah relaying her with hoshi on my side

[proud drift]

Blebishine very nice tank for 2 good medics

[storm latch]

for manfred ?

[proud drift]

Ya

[storm latch]

So basically everyone has M3 on their skill except shining hoshi and amiya

[proud drift]

Her module makes her take 15% less dmg

So she’s very nice for tanking personally

[storm latch]

i don't remember if i got max blemi module

[main halo]

Not a bad team

[proud drift]

Don’t need max

Only mod1 enough

[storm latch]

k

will surely give her max module tho anyway...

[proud drift]

I had blemishine stall cat and then stall fred in h10-1

[proud drift]

Unless simp, there’s no reason to

Her module is a bit of an xd

[storm latch]

Well yeah

since i didn't built anyone except blaze and mlynar since months i got enough ressources for that

so yeah my strat is basically vanguards on lower lane, putting mountain with ch'alter and ptilo on top

[proud drift]

I wish I could just build units casually

[storm latch]

then stall manfred with fast redeploys

and a bit of monster

[proud drift]

What fucks you up

Fred or waves

[storm latch]

huhhhhhhhhh

honestly

quite all...

[proud drift]

Cuz I got shafted by waves at bottom iirc

[storm latch]

Mountain leaks ennemies on top even with the help of ch'alter and it's dp tight

[proud drift]

So I bombed it

Mountain handled top for the most part?

[storm latch]

bottom hoshi dies sometimes even with the help of shining

[storm latch]

till manfred second phase

then top lane crumbles

and yeah bottom lane can't hold for much.

oh yeah had blemi max module. which skill and medics you recommend ?

[proud drift]

Uhh

I don’t remember what I had on blemi ngl

S1 I think?

[storm latch]

makes sense.

[proud drift]

I had honeyberry healing her

To attempt combat necrosis

[storm latch]

my wanderers medic aren't much build...

[proud drift]

And kaltsit with ptilo?

So my medics were on the weaker side

[storm latch]

got mulberry max E1

but my other medics are strong...

I got a max ceylon, almost maxed nightingale and good gavial and shining

[proud drift]

If st medics are strong enough maybe blemi can handle it

[storm current]

Oh you have mountain mudrock

Its should be strong enough

[proud drift]

Just make sure to uh

[storm latch]

yeah i got good ops

[proud drift]

Not get ur medics bombed

[storm latch]

but there's a terrible doktah in commands

[storm current]

You just need some form of helidrop dps to kill the mobs spawn after mandred go into p2

Also

Amiya s2?

[storm latch]

nearlter S2?

[main halo]

Hmm I can probably try and you can use my strat as preferrence?

[storm latch]

lvl 7

[storm current]

No

I meant

Why are you using amiya s2

[storm latch]

nah. My wanderers are nearly not as good

[proud drift]

Sorry mobile is pain but uh

[storm latch]

nah it's S3

[storm current]

You should use nearl s3 for mandred tho

[proud drift]

I had blemi tanking on X ground tile iirc

And medics from sides

Out of cannon range

[storm latch]

ok i see

[storm current]

Since you dont have kaltsit

[storm latch]

i do

[storm current]

You can try bursting him down with true dmg or pozy

On p2

For p1, its easier to stall a bit so that you can set up your stuff

[proud drift]

And use bomb for sides

Cause I remember bottom being very painful

To the point of bombing it

[storm latch]

then i still don't know what to use on bottom side

[proud drift]

I had mudmud

[storm latch]

just her ?

[proud drift]

She can take cannon shots no problem

[storm current]

Mudrock alone wont be enough

On p2 mob spawn

It overwhelm her

[proud drift]

On p2 ya

[storm latch]

then who else ?

[storm current]

You can go chalter help top

[proud drift]

But for p1 i had mud eat cannons there

[storm current]

For bottom uh

[storm latch]

on top of mudrock

[storm current]

Who do you have

[storm latch]

already in plans

[storm latch]

as good defenders remaining ?

[storm current]

As in good dps

[storm latch]

huhhh

[storm current]

Horn can work i guess

[storm latch]

blaze might be too late deploy

horn

thorns might be a bit late too

mlynar ?

[storm current]

Oh

Thats quite a trivial then

[storm latch]

mlynar it is i guess...

[storm current]

You prob can put mlynar mid but face down to help bot

[storm latch]

So i sum up my team... Blemi ,(ceylon or shining), and mulberry to stall manfred for a moment

[proud drift]

Oh right

Fucking mlynar exists now

The omnipotent god

[storm latch]

Mudbonk and mlynar for bottom lane

nearlter S3 to end up manfred career

and mountain nightingale and ch'alter on top lane

[proud drift]

Is mulberry good berry? I never used her or compared to honey so idk

[storm latch]

dunno never used honey

[storm current]

Eh

Idk

[glass monolith]

On the bench of OP AF shit as Chalter, Ling because i feel like abusing my not as OP operators to resolve conflict with 🧀

[storm latch]

built her cuz i needed a elemental medic during spelter

[proud drift]

My honeyberry is e2 30 so I probs had a better time healing necrosis on blemi

[storm current]

Its hard for people to actually compare

[proud drift]

[storm current]

Since people only raise one of them

So cant really put into perspective of comparison

[storm latch]

welp

time to try i guess

[storm current]

Honey is preferred since enemies chain caster hit multiple i guess

[storm latch]

and since i got an empty place remaining i'll take surtr for shit and gigs

[storm current]

Oh

You have surtr

Just nuke with her lol

[storm latch]

ah yes

just use surtr

i'm stupid why can't you understand that, even if i have her i never know where to place her

[proud drift]

Well

[storm current]

Helidrop

Nuke bot

Done

[proud drift]

You’re in the minority that plays H stages

[storm latch]

yeah

cleared all other Hell stages of other chapters...

except 11 too cuz i haven't cleared 11.

[proud drift]

Don’t worry h10-1 is a harder one

[storm latch]

50 sanity per stages really HG ?

[proud drift]

H10-2 is ez and h10-3, well… funny

You played cc10 right?

[storm latch]

yeah.

[proud drift]

Remember the aura risk challenge?

[storm latch]

Did R18 in like an hour

[proud drift]

That’s h10-3 basically

[main halo]

That's why you have mission plan

[storm latch]

but mission plans don't make you clear the stage and gives you reward

[storm current]

Oh boi

Wait until you see h10-3

[storm latch]

time to try then...

[proud drift]

Except h10-3 has 100 mobs not 30

[storm current]

H10-2 is piece of cake tho

[main halo]

But it saves sanity until you finally come up with a decent strat

[glass monolith]

H10-3 and then you realize boss is sarkaz, Mudrock is racism and H stage condition is helicopter fuel

[main halo]

Toddifons is also racist

[proud drift]

Aren’t they free atm

So you don’t need to use plans?

[main halo]

I thought he was talking about chap 10

Of course it's free

[storm latch]

well phase 1 is easy as shit for now...

stalling manfred

getting good

every operator is in place

and blemi is doing wonders.

[proud drift]

Be ready to nuke his p2

After some stalling

[main halo]

He hits pretty hard on p2

So if you can nuke then do it

[storm latch]

i'll deploy surtr and got nearl at the ready

just stalling until he dies

well it's a wrap

every ennemy is dead except two mf on middle lane that are getting nuked by canon

thanks for the help guys.

I really been at it since the release of this chapter lmfao...

[storm current]

Wait until you see h10-3

We will see you again soon

[storm latch]

god that much ?

[vernal lion]

ok I almost did speedrun on 11-20 AE

timing wrong

smh

[storm current]

Its really harsh

But ye

H10-2 is easy

H10-3 is one of the worst stage so far

Even brute forcing is hard

[storm latch]

guys stop it's scaring me

[proud drift]

Nah 10-3 isn’t so bad

It’s basically cc10 aura risk

But with 100 slimes

If you can oneshot manfred it’s even better

Oh and get rid of funny car asap

[vernal lion]

Opening part and Boss part

[storm current]

Its best to experience it yourself

[storm latch]

god i hate the missile launchers tanks in chap 11

[vernal lion]

that thing is still easy if it's just 1

[storm current]

Shamare help a lot btw

[storm latch]

H10-2 done... Time for fun i guess

tf is that map

[hexed mulch]

is fang good at all? i use her cuz i dont have another decent vsnguard yet (im lvl 7) but she sucks as far as i can tell...do i bother leveling her or elite or anything?

[storm latch]

yeah she aien't bad

[hexed mulch]

ok :/

[vernal lion]

she is just a cheap DP generator, don't ask too much

[glass monolith]

Majority of vanguard exist to print DP and sometimes 1v1 dog

[foggy grove]

unless you have better vg

i guess courier is free

[glass monolith]

Courier is fang 2.0

[hexed mulch]

got courier from friend points recently yea

oh

my fang is lvl 40 and courier is lvl 1 cuz i just got him

think im sol

[vernal lion]

now I know the reason why you can't beat later stage

[hexed mulch]

?

why

[vernal lion]

just focus to use someone easy first, then when you got good op to carry your team, focus to farm mats and chip and LMD for that op

[hexed mulch]

so keep using fang or abandon her? she's my most useless in my squad rn. everyone else feels valuable

she just dies mostly

[vernal lion]

honestly, my most useful vg in IS2

[glass monolith]

Have fang somewhere in back getting you DP to deploy other operators

[vernal lion]

you let her block? that's nuts

[glass monolith]

That's her?

I swear to god this game and every "wolf" character being female or lapp

[hexed mulch]

wb spot lol

[hexed mulch]

shes cheap and gives dp, so i usually lead siege, or siege and fang if i need to defend two lanes

and then when fang dies i often replace with cutter cuz cutter isnt trash

[vernal lion]

use Defender to block tho

[hexed mulch]

by themself?

i use them in front of dps to stall

but alone they just get overwhelmed and die or leak

gummy maaaybe ok cuz she heals but beagle will be sad

[vernal lion]

this is #strategy, you are looking for the solution to beat a stage, not complain about this op or that op

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuaZwPudD3I&ab_channel=ILoveAmiya

[hexed mulch]

im asking for strategy in team comp...but ok

[glass monolith]

Some of everything, use depending on stage condition

[vernal lion]

first, you ask for the stage that you are struggling to it
second, we help you to get a solution for that stage
third, you will UNDERSTAND to do that stage, again and again until you beat it

this is still a strategy game tho, if you don't understand how it works, then it's useless

[rocky iron]

... healers exists to solve this exact problem. Medic defenders doesnt do as well as healers at healing ya know ? ( Saria is an exception )

oh ye, whats is the somewhat-transparent dome the steam knight got ? i assume its a shield but by his info, he got none ?

[glass monolith]

Phase 1 has more defenses, bar below his hp shows his skill duration which mini stuns him when it ends. In phase 2 no defenses and infinite skill

[rocky iron]

so his skill is the shield ? oh ok ty ty

[glass monolith]

His skill is +100 attack speed

Shield is like phase thing

[formal moss]

Saria is a expection?

[rocky iron]

wait she's not ?

[elder pilot]

she does decent amount healding so

[rocky iron]

ye, 140% of her atk with an almost 5x5 range with her at the center, she's the exception of medic defender doing a worse job at healing than normal healers does

and its AoE as well

[formal moss]

Unless ur blemishine Idt U can rlly compare with Sheer Healing

[rocky iron]

... i dont have blemishine, does that help ?

XD

[formal moss]

Whats the main problem were talkin about btw

[vernal lion]

the shield is DEF and RES buff for his p1 only,
it boost him up to 2000 DEF (2400 DEF in level 1) and 40 RES
after you kill his p1, he will lose the buff

[rocky iron]

Newb came in complaining about fang and his defenders dying, alone, without help. Naga told him off. I came to ask about the steam knights

thats about it

[formal moss]

Can't u just cheese the robot with frd?

Assuming this is chapter 11?

[vernal lion]

which robot, the Steam Knight?

[rocky iron]

whats frd ?

[vernal lion]

fast redeploy

[formal moss]

Fast redploy

[formal moss]

https://youtu.be/BNfWEtfYzp0

[rocky iron]

oh

[formal moss]

Idk if it's patched or not

[sonic willow]

courier is better to use

[rocky iron]

i just take the hit and replace hoshi with gavialter while ceobe and eyja hammer it into the ground

[proud drift]

Isn’t Saria S1 the real juice tho?

S2 is nice and all but isn’t S1 the reason she’s strong

[rocky iron]

s2 doesnt limit healing units unlike most AoE healers

and its wide range + 140% heal is kinda OP