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gentle finch
turbid badge
yea
foggy grove
aak is his best choice for buff
turbid badge
aspd go nuts
gentle finch
at m3
tidal sedge
Damn mlynar benefits a shit ton from buffa
foggy grove
since skalter or warf doesn't give much
gentle finch
all values i chuck out are at m3
tidal sedge
so instead of multiplying already boosted damage it just adds percentage numer to the original op?
ok I get it now
quaint aspen
Still need the recorded clear?
fresh copper
Guys help I'm a new player
turbid badge
theres also situations where warf buffing skalter is the best option
fresh copper
How to beat EX 5
frigid kite
How to beat EX 5
Use 6*
turbid badge
lol
foggy grove
use gacha unit
gentle finch
she makes the stage very simple
make sure she's sl3
fresh copper
Instructions unclear
tidal sedge
Use a unit
gentle finch
or else won't work
fresh copper
Proceeding to use Ling instead
tidal sedge
Very casual friendly squas
turbid badge
i was skipping threw video and thought vid was on 2x but than realized her s3 gives her 100 aspd lmao
frigid kite
The ling used
gentle finch
no module on ptilo..m
tidal sedge
Is eyja aakable or does she just fall over and die
somber falcon
since skalter or warf doesn't give much
Wdym not much 
Warf nearly doubles the target's atk and skalter at max s3m3 gives ~500 atk
foggy grove
i'm talking horsey
foggy grove
turbid badge
Is eyja aakable or does she just fall over and die
uhh die def too low
tidal sedge
can a medic help her or does she still die
tidal sedge
man
gentle finch
you can do the rest of math
turbid badge
aak attaxk is like instant
tidal sedge
Oh
turbid badge
u cant really heal in the interval
gentle finch
it's not hard to work out what will live or not
somber falcon
can a medic help her or does she still die
Aaking most ranged ops comes at the prerequisite of shining s3
gentle finch
yeh
turbid badge
i tried eureka stunning aak to maybe stop s3 but it just goes threw anyways
limpid siren
It's 1 per frame for 15 frames iirc
turbid badge
smh
limpid siren
Which, yeah, is basically instant
tidal sedge
ok so only melee ops can really survive an aak buff?
turbid badge
No
tidal sedge
ik most dreadnought cant
limpid siren
Without assistance, the majority of ranged units will die, yes
turbid badge
assitance!!
with shining s3 /heidi s2 / skalter s2 / spalter s1 / nian s3
gentle finch
Spalter S1*
tidal sedge
K
limpid siren
Liberators generally prefer debuff/amp, but mlynar usually hits hard enough to not need help
tidal sedge
so if they do a high base damage or skill increases by a shit ton go aak?
tidal sedge
man rip me being unable to save for honse uncle
frigid kite
I think fragile would be better option
gentle finch
yeah
frigid kite
Unless he's attacking something with 3k defense etc
turbid badge
its just mlynars better for aak since liberator trait doesnt work well with the other 2 buffers
gentle finch
fragile best kind of damage amp frfr
unless pretty low base atk
foggy grove
on other ops like exu warf and skalt is really good yeah
tidal sedge
Mlynar shits toocmich damage to care
gentle finch
skalter with yato is nice
gentle finch
lmao
frigid kite
Aak Suzuran so she lets me put ifrit on her place
tidal sedge
Aak the suzuran
sweet flower
somehow this is work
foggy grove
gratz
tidal sedge
Is eyja still used in endgame content or is there too much res among those tiers
foggy grove
disposable bodies and spawncamping stronk
limpid siren
It's not really about the res specifically
Her total damage is kinda dookie for how long her downtime is
quaint aspen
Is eyja still used in endgame content or is there too much res among those tiers
She gets used time to time. But I now prefer debuffing enemies and using phys damage
tidal sedge
Oh ok
merry narwhal
Is eyja still used in endgame content or is there too much res among those tiers
she's still okay, but guards exist with better uptime and damage who also don't care about defence
tidal sedge
will take me a few years to get to that point so
limpid siren
Eyjafjalla's still fine for people that lack the tryhard new meta ops, but if you have them she just gets outcompeted
quaint aspen
will take me a few years to get to that point so
1.5 years maybe.
gentle finch
She gets used time to time. But I now prefer debuffing enemies and using phys da...
same
she sprang back to life for DV
then died again
foggy grove
sleeping robot neatly waiting to be volcanoed
gentle finch
(the oripathy got her)
foggy grove
frigid kite
Wondering how good will the future casters be
To even compete agaisnt things like Texalter and stuff
tidal sedge
eyja module so she doesn't get smoked maybe?
frigid kite
Its good but it doesn't make her a new op
quaint aspen
Wondering how good will the future casters be
They will probably be more niche specific to dodge 'powercreeping' bullet
tidal sedge
Ik I wanna see what they do too
Maybe they'll just do a lot of damage in a single activation
Wait
That overpowered nvm
tidal sedge
Mlynar
frigid kite
Ebenholz
tidal sedge
Ebenholz is ass make a new op that does something
gentle finch
Wondering how good will the future casters be
reed alter unironically one of the best "casters"
tidal sedge
She's a "caster"?
gentle finch
she's a medic parading as a caster
vice versa actually
ok I'm gonna clear H8-4 tonight for sure
I still don't understand how talulah burning breath targeting works but
hey
cyan gorge
last deployed
frigid kite
Does she focus Mlynar?
gentle finch
last deployed
feels janky still
foggy grove
the taunt is cursed 💀
worst part of him
gentle finch
It's probably cuz one unit has bb on them already so she targets the other two last deployed
frigid kite
the taunt is cursed 💀
worst part of him
Nah it can make funny things
cyan gorge
you have to deploy before she does the snapping animation
gentle finch
idk man
gentle finch
you have to deploy before she does the snapping animation
i see
tidal sedge
Where tf do I get this perfume looking ass material
cyan gorge
granted, I haven't touched any of the chap 8 h stages
somber falcon
Also if you're using mlynar/other perma bait just give them a therapist
still citrus
Where tf do I get this perfume looking ass material
click on it and it tells you
somber falcon
Since the flame dmg is ramping over time
tidal sedge
click on it and it tells you
I am a fucking dumbass
still citrus
what to do without mlynar
still citrus
time to uninstall i guess
gentle finch
Just deploy 2 units before she snaps
i see
frozen plover
Talulah's main gimmick is mostly needing 2 baits
If you have the right units you can just brute force the entire thing
still citrus
brute force = the only way i know how to play
gentle finch
2 baits 🤮
frozen plover
Wym
Put down gravel + yato
Once they get set on fire retreat them
Rinse and repeat
still citrus
water actually having to fight boss as intended??
just slap two healing defenders and twenty medics
frozen plover
Do you have the units required to brute force then
frigid kite
water actually having to fight boss as intended??
You don't have too
Just surtr her
And then Pozy her
And then heal her
And repeat
gentle finch
I've vowed to never borrow: surtr, chalter, mlynar
gentle finch
Do you have the units required to brute force then
yes
frigid kite
Lose
frozen plover
Then just brute force her bro
frigid kite
Wait
still citrus
just use rosmontis
gentle finch
give me 8 minutes
frigid kite
Who was civ?
still citrus
uh huh
gentle finch
yes
still citrus
just like how i'll def clear h10-3
livid delta
Just do it the old fashion way
frigid kite
You can wait 10 years
still citrus
🙏
still citrus
yeah those idiots dont know how to walk into a blue square 2 feet away from them
tidal sedge
What are patriot stats?
still citrus
too much
still citrus
no idea what teh stat numbers are
never payed much attention to those
padi
paid
cant spell
gentle finch
hm
oh I'm dumb
been doing stage wrong the whole time
i thought energy aggregates exploded even if you broke them prematurely
rip bozo
frigid kite
latent monolith
Stat numbers are just yes?
Oops I got snailed
Oh wait also he gives a 200 def 20% atk buff for everyone including himself
First phase is 2100 def, 90 res, 2700 atk hits 4 times
still citrus
too much words, this is why i dont read these
elder flume
Whats the longest enemy desc
frigid kite
Will of we many
latent monolith
Should be yeah
If you were to properly document that boss you'd need a table of the different buffs too
nova wing
Question, does Exusia buff jump to another op once the buffed op retreats or defeated?
storm current
no
nova wing
Unless exusia redeploy?
storm current
yes
nova wing
Pretty sad when her buff jumps to myrtle 
frigid kite
Didn't you know
Exu pacted with blood that her buff always goes to Myrtle, Elysium if module
amber hedge
How can i clear s4-10 without aoe caster/guard/sniper
frigid kite
Team
amber hedge
Oh it’s an S stage, farm stage im guessing
Yes it is
tidal sedge
What’s you team? Like DePavos asked
amber hedge
Why are you losing?
Defenders are dying rly quick bec the enemies are stacking
tidal sedge
Checking the stage one moment
sonic willow
Defenders are dying rly quick bec the enemies are stacking
Use dps so they don't stack
tidal sedge
Use dps so they don't stack
I Think his problem would be those units that bind
Does project red need E1 to do fast re deploy things? @sonic willow I’m not sure
sonic willow
No
tidal sedge
which eunectus module is better
@amber hedge I’d recommend using project red, if you’d like we can run the stage together if you can stream it
I’d need 10mins though
amber hedge
Lemme try
frigid kite
Remove mlynar when the skill is over and wait until the big wave comes, then add Siege of any guard/defender
nova wing
You're always welcome to add 2 snipers
Plenty missions in story modes are low def enemies (in cases you'll bring 1 caster as backup)
void zenith
@frigid kite are you sure I can do NL10 with my team, haven't been able to finish it yet.
void zenith
Yes, please.
I'd like to farm it
But if I can't do it with my stuff, I'll settle for a 3 star clear
amber hedge
Remove mlynar when the skill is over and wait until the big wave comes, then add...
I got it thanks
sonic willow
I got it thanks
Save mlynar skill for around wave 30
frigid kite
But if I can't do it with my stuff, I'll settle for a 3 star clear
Alright gimme some minutes
void zenith
Take however you want, thanks
formal moss
Help ifk how the guy's fear works
soft crystal
Read the enemy info
frigid kite
@void zenith
Now, you can try this but I can't assure ya probably the win because of your Specter Masteries etc, give it a try, if it doesn't work, we'll just use a borrow
Lappland S1 btw
Oh and Cuora instead of Spot
Ptilopsis as Nightingale and Myrrh Ansel, i didn't use Ptilopsis skill any time
scarlet fulcrum
Also Dont forget chaange gravel to s2
frigid kite
Yup
formal moss
Read the enemy info
Ok.... i Thought It was the opposite no wonder every1 kept getting oneshot all at once
soft crystal
Yeah its a "backstab" attack
fringe hedge
welp, had about 7 close calls at the end with units literally walking into the exit
but i got NL-ex-8 CM down
frigid kite
fringe hedge
also had about 6 sacrificial guards for gavial to just get her skill back up to "stun" the last few knight things
pale orchid
<:Alexpeek:1062137278232805397> welp, had about 7 close calls at the end with un...
god i wonder how much blue box anxiety you got
fringe hedge
was kinda just sitting in fear tbh since gav and mud... were tanking the boss on right side... so even if retreated right when the blood night red thingy died
they weren't an option to help with the remainder
pale orchid
they weren't an option to help with the remainder
yeah i feel that
fringe hedge
gav, poz and mudrock i swear have gotten me much further than i should be
pale orchid
gav, poz and mudrock i swear have gotten me much further than i should be
same tbh
although now im abusing mylnar
...
i have a lot of busted ops
surtr too
cyan gorge
Imagine using Mlynar
cyan gorge
nova wing
Lee is really the mvp for tanking those NL archers
void zenith
Lappland S1 btw
So gotta borrow Lappland then
normal heron
gav, poz and mudrock i swear have gotten me much further than i should be
Me who only have gav 
void zenith
Wanted to farm Kohls, unfortunate
frigid kite
Wait i thought you had lappland
Meh, just borrow kalsit and kill the boss with Monster S3
void zenith
Lol, so just try to DPS him down then
normal heron
How do i beat 7-18 now
frigid kite
Lol, so just try to DPS him down then
Not dps him, melt him
Monster while on S3 will eat him alive
frigid kite
How do i beat 7-18 now <:LappDumb:596474463118163968>
Team
nova wing
How do i beat 7-18 now <:LappDumb:596474463118163968>
Watch lots of video guide. I did too
sonic willow
Lee is really the mvp for tanking those NL archers
wait what
foggy grove
dodge 🎲
waxen swan
Deez nut
nova wing
Yes dodge, he is like, immune to arrows. But not aoe arts
glass monolith
One or two days ago he uploaded video of killing ending 1 boss with hole on his way to hole ending 4 boss
But he lost to GOD DAMN CHEST SPAWN on map between them 
vernal lion
elder flume
thats a long walk
glass monolith
wait, really?
vernal lion
there's 2 destination nodes
proud drift
Did you get it
vernal lion
does this look good enough
civic nest
is the new jelly boss that stronk
vernal lion
I would put frost duo lower 1 tier but the frozen is just too strong
civic nest
vernal lion
still count as boss side 
civic nest
i struggled a lot with emperor blade in the og run
elder flume
jelly boss is basically bk but instead of healing its awaken aoe + stun 
civic nest
would prob put him a tier higher
latent halo
does this look good enough
Fake fn is weak
Is just the map favors her
They put her in a small map
And fn in bigger map
vernal lion
but doesn't she can spawn ice crystal like FN
she lives by the map
even in the description, there's a part about her to spawn ice crystal on map
latent halo
If u put black nova into fake fn map
It will be more deadlier
Since she break the tile
600 defense ?
Sorry is3 d15 buff and floor buff
At least 1k
vernal lion
yea I also think of that, but the aoe dmg is a risk here
latent halo
If u have 8 op on the field , it do like a few hundred dmg
Nothing big
Reid should be higher
He is no meme
We just "bug abuse" him
So he looks like meme
If hg fixed his checkpoint search
He will just go straight into the blue door
instead of leaving a lot of weird checkpoint on map
also EOE is not a threat, all u need to do is lanehold until its itself
- Just my opinion
soft crystal
EOE is a threat to some phones
latent halo
vernal lion
eoe is a threat
mf spawn shit likes a flood
vernal lion
that's true
latent halo
EOE looks like meme to me
vernal lion
I just consider this boss list base on their skills
even SSS and RA are just stat check so I don't add it in
soft crystal
i think the carrot boss is very cool
when you draw you get stunned and have to deploy a 70 dp crystal
honestly very cool
latent halo
And mephisto bird is easier than Bk
soft crystal
and then it got mega nerfed
latent halo
And mephisto bird is easier than Bk
That's kinda , uhh , idk , for me bird is deadlier
It will crush ur whole team
If u think about it
vernal lion
it will, if you do it like EB
playing with burst dmg too much is also not good way
latent halo
Bk should be oversized enemy
Mf gets countered by 1 operator
Nearl the radiant
6 attack interv
With dr
But ntr s3 creates extra block and true dmg
limpid siren
does this look good enough
tidal sedge
Nearl the radiant
Gotta shill the limited
latent halo
Even if u do s2 , she still counters him
6 attack interv , 4 shield , s2 27 sec duration
6x4 = 24 , he can't even hurt her
tidal sedge
It's almost insulting how tailored BK is to highlight her qualities
vernal lion
but does she get stunned by Bk
soft crystal
patriot still is my favorite boss
tidal sedge
She has the raw hp and def at e2 to survive a blow from him too
soft crystal
even though he's been bullied million different times
tidal sedge
but does she get stunned by Bk <:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
S2 isn't totally perfect ofc but the positive aspects are striking. S3 he just stuns the sun, get blocked by ntrk after and thus keeps up the true damage
gleaming lodge
does this look good enough
Tombstone is literally just a glorified Skullshaterer, I don't get the gap between them
tidal sedge
Technically the debuff is a map quality than something he does
limpid siren
Tombstone is literally just a glorified Skullshaterer, I don't get the gap betwe...
it's strat, we make shit up for fun lole
tidal sedge
If you pop Tombstone fast, the debuffs persist
vernal lion
yea he just got shield skill, outside of that he's like 2000 atk iirc
gleaming lodge
the debuff is
Debuff ? What debuff?
Just a bit more tankyness isn't gonna change your life
Also Talu is by no means that dangerous
Neither is Napkin FN, she is very easy to stall
tidal sedge
They mean the halved stats, lower dp gen, and increased redeploy.
gleaming lodge
They mean the halved stats, lower dp gen, and increased redeploy.
That's the stage modifier, not the boss
tidal sedge
Ye, I mentioned that.
But in-game makes it sound like it's something he does
So the confusion is understandable to me
gleaming lodge
Meh
I clapped him hard with a defender squad the first time I met him, it's hardly a difficult boss
tidal sedge
Yeah he's surprisingly stallable
gleaming lodge
that's boss skill
Does it stay after you kill him ?
If yes, it's a stage modifier
Anyway I'm sorry but this tl is pretty inaccurate
Why such a gap between FN and napkin FN ? The latter doesn't even have black ice
Why is Faust so high ? He gets destroyed by one defender + one medic
Why is NPC Talu in here, you don't even fight her (?)
Mandra = rat king ???
Stun colossus harder than Mudrock 
Jesselton so low ?
R6S boss was quite trivial honestly
glass monolith
IW boss has best boss skill called "Try to follow that the fuck going on"
glass monolith
Her s2 makes fireball wave nothing
I used her in H8-4...
latent halo
Good unit
glass monolith
I never learn
glass monolith
The ursus civ dies
good ending
latent halo
Kek
glass monolith
Texas alter is best event because civilian survivability is optional
livid delta
It's more efficient to kill them
latent halo
Well it just personal tier list
But still
Bk have the armored jesselton name when debut
They pretty much do the same thing
The blade is new
That's all
vernal lion
Anyway I'm sorry but this tl is pretty inaccurate
Why such a gap between FN and ...
normal FN can only chill your op but can't freeze them, while the higher version is also freeze them if they get attacked multiple times
Faust is still a threat with his global attack
normal Talulah is still a boss in 2 stages, think about it
about Rat King I will lower him 1 tier
Stun colossus makes your op stunned for 25s and only 13s, that's already a threat if it hit your healer or main dps op
Jesselton can be beaten by many many different ways, even the lowest rarity, or Brawler only
EOE is aoe dmg, spawn shit, and got DR by directions, basically much stronger than Awaken
latent halo
List out few things before putting them into a tier , I think
- is it stun/freeze/sleep able ?
- can u counter it's mechanic easily
- do they do aoe massive dmg/fatality strikes
- what if u give them more stats on bigger map , will they become harder
vernal lion
I was tho, I think about it, the only problem is this is not your game, but HG
so they can do wtf they want
latent halo
True
vernal lion
this is for balance
gleaming lodge
Napkin FN can be stalled with minimal effort (SA S2 + one ST medic)
Faust deals 0 damage outside of CC#2 Blade
Forgot about normal Talu, my bad
Stun colossus should be moved up one or two tiers, especially when compared to the other floor 3 bosses
As April said, BK is literally just Jesselton with slightly different mechanics, no reasons for BK to be much higher
EoE is rather trivial in most cases as you just AoE spam and not care about it (it's even rather easy to burst)
latent halo
Well I always have a red or 2s yato with me
gleaming lodge
I don't like "standing my grounds" so much, but I believe your tierlist is heavily biased by something (no idea what though)
limpid siren
latent halo
So rock isn't doing anything threatening to me
sonic willow
this is EoE right
limpid siren
yes
latent halo
Rock is stunable , u can cancel his rock toss
And easy to bait
Doesn't looks like a threat to me
latent halo
Blood knight
vernal lion
you can kill him if you get a fuck ton of dmg
limpid siren
let me write this down quickly
vernal lion
and that is not a normal way you do
vernal lion
yea
limpid siren
but
simply out statting bosses is a weird argument
though it explains why skullshatterer could be so low
despite being a pretty vicious roadblock boss for many new players in ch3
vernal lion
because they do it wrong
sonic willow
skullshatterer when you block her vs when you don't block
limpid siren
vernal lion
I mean most of the players coming here for help is that they all did it wrong and then need help from us
gleaming lodge
BK can be stalled by Beanstalk 
vernal lion
even full E2, they still fail, impressive huh?
gleaming lodge
Full E2 in ch3?
vernal lion
that must be worst
near folio
you can kill him if you get a fuck ton of dmg
Doesnt change the fact that he still demands those certain operators that can do big dmg, or else u are stuck with Caster Amiya S3
vernal lion
you forgot that you use op base on the situation?
of course that you need a proper op
gleaming lodge
Ok how about Faust then ?
vernal lion
is Faust your only enemy or newbie enemy?
sonic willow
why is IS2 poison boss higher tier than IS2 puppet 
vernal lion
why is IS2 poison boss higher tier than IS2 puppet <:KaltSip:706565787229356103>
poison is already deadly if your rogue run is bad
and puppet is more in control of the situation
sonic willow
must be a new map 
I don't recall dying to poison in sss
vernal lion
must be a new map <:RedDumb:736682197196472341> I don't recall dying to poison i...
feel free to play it
sonic willow
poison is already deadly if your rogue run is bad
and puppet is more in control ...
yeah, poison can only be harder because it appears way earlier in a run ie. less recruits and less relics
glass monolith
I'm pretty sure game work in decimals, otherwise how else we see 0 hp operators in this chat from time to time
gleaming lodge
is Faust your only enemy or newbie enemy?
Nah, I mean, he has no damage
Also, walmart Faust has to be one tier higher than normal Faust as the IS version deals 3k arts on the purple shot
vernal lion
you still can bait it with 1 dollkeeper and 1 medic
elder flume
assuming it rounds down then at most im gona stall rat for 16.5 mins
gleaming lodge
you still can bait it with 1 dollkeeper and 1 medic
Having to bait is far more difficult than just tanking with one defender for normal faust
You can't say normal Faust puts as much pressure on your team as Emperor's blade or Mandra though
gleaming lodge
600dmg turret ?
Yeah I forget about it rather quickly
Also, do we consider the average strength of your team at the time ?
Because then Sarkaz Centurion or SS could get moved up once
gleaming lodge
Fair enough
latent halo
Bena is free so
And she's tanky af
Doll keeper
All u need to do is aggro control
Killing it might be a problem , but with new gen operator , it's easy
Survive faust is easy , it's the killing part that is hard
latent halo
Yes , but u have to risk ur cores to arrow
gleaming lodge
Even I have no problems with him
latent halo
Unless u fast rdp bait him , then nvm
gleaming lodge
Just 🅱️ulcan
soft crystal
Faust in cc daily with all risks feels so tanky
gleaming lodge
We aren't talking about CC
Also Naga, you can't ask for "is this a good tierlist" and then not listen to any criticism
desert prairie
is napkin really that hard?
latent halo
is napkin really that hard?
The map makes it hard
cedar hound
For who's that tierlist
vernal lion
Also Naga, you can't ask for "is this a good tierlist" and then not listen to an...
I'm editing right now
gleaming lodge
The hard part is she freezes a lot and there are ice weebs
latent halo
Ur forced to fight her in small map
gleaming lodge
I'm editing right now
It didn't look like you were listening, my bad
gleaming lodge
Who's DBS sorry ?
desert prairie
talu with kaschey
civic nest
dragon ball super?
gleaming lodge
I can't say anything about CN bosses
Imo if you haven't played them you shouldn't put them
latent halo
in any case, lugia is harder than DBS
Real
The bird is something
Unblockable with global true dmg dot
Stack
And the map
Is something too
vernal lion
gleaming lodge
Are we talking about the stage as well ?
desert prairie
pompeii by design isnt threatening
when design says fuck you, then pompei became threatening
latent halo
It will be everyone's nightmare
vernal lion
Are we talking about the stage as well ?
yea
some bosses just stick to the stage tho
like Singer or EOE
gleaming lodge
Fair enough
desert prairie
do you peeps can like reliably handle this little fella?
glass monolith
do you peeps can like reliably handle this little fella?
Killing it
desert prairie
killing it makes it stronger
glass monolith
I have enough amount of killing
desert prairie
not killing it means youre dead
latent halo
do you peeps can like reliably handle this little fella?
It can be controlled
civic nest
the only threatening phase was p2 right?
desert prairie
p3 can be annoying as well, especially once the floor is lava
latent halo
It's mechanic is interesting , but cheesable
civic nest
i don’t remember p3 and 4 doing anything special
latent halo
Once u access to crowd control , it's kinda meh
desert prairie
this dude is not a threat
simply because its cheeseable with 1 and 3
and also low stat be like
elder flume
Tried 2 tests for each with roughly 18 mins per test
Either they have exact same hp decimal so it just goes to last deployed or im not understanding this targetting
vernal lion
stat?
elder flume
2035 hp both
vernal lion
who is last deploy
latent halo
Last deployed ?
elder flume
whoever is on left
desert prairie
base stat have the exact same decimal
proud drift
I had gnosis
latent halo
If 2 unit have same condition I think it will use the normal aggro targeting
elder flume
base stat have the exact same decimal
so i have to use hp buffs to alter into decimals? 
vernal lion
also I don't know but, does Rat's skill target summon or not?
elder flume
he targets summons yes
desert prairie
so i have to use hp buffs to alter into decimals? <:PtiloThonk:59647448218140673...
yes
at least as far as i know, i never had base stat being decimal
theyre all round numbers. intergers
latent halo
Is ptilopsisable
Ok , now ignore the first 2 page of ur lvl sorted operator
And do the stage again
proud drift
Okay but just use ptilopsis
latent halo
Do it
proud drift
Why would I do cm and/or h8-3 with an underleveled squad?
proud drift
I still don’t get your point
desert prairie
CM with underleveled is still possible
lethal dragon
in any case, lugia is harder than DBS
Ehhhhhh
latent halo
proud drift
Ya but like
elder flume
soft crystal
How much def does conk kreet have with shining and nian and skalter buffing her
proud drift
How does that make the boss any harder or easier
elder flume
does anyone buff waai fu hp
lethal dragon
Don't forget talulah has the fucking burn which you want to avoid and the civilians
glass monolith
e2 gravel has some buff for all sub 10 cost operators, aren't she?
latent halo
Why would I do cm and/or h8-3 with an underleveled squad?
No boss is hard , if u said this
opal kiln
gravel is def buff not hp
proud drift
No boss is hard , if u said this
No some are cause they still require thinking, deploy order etc.
desert prairie
is it not because of gramaphone dealing % based damage screwing up her hp value?
elder flume
ugh Aak s2 ?
my aak is s1
proud drift
Cause those enraged leaders slap kinda hard
latent halo
No some are cause they still require thinking, deploy order etc.
This boss too , it requires when ur gonna kill it , where u gonna kill it
The map is part of the boss too
proud drift
Idk I just press ptilopsis s2 and burst it
In non-cm u don’t even need to buff her
vernal lion
Singer is only deadly if you do it in wrong way
just like how newbie failed in 2nd Skull boss stage
latent halo
Uhh I remember EB giving me troubles
I just press surtr and it dead
desert prairie
EB is weird, but still baitable
lethal dragon
So which boss is hard for u then
You
desert prairie
talulah is just cycling management
desert prairie
and NG check
latent halo
I don't remember thinking
proud drift
Idk my surtr didn’t kill them
soft crystal
Someone calc highest possible def number including buffs
proud drift
I mean if we’re talking “not using meta ops” then every boss is gonna be hard for an average player
lethal dragon
Talulah has more things going on than Lugia
desert prairie
lugia you need to consider dps, healing, timing, cycling, and most if not the main issue: beserkers shitters
proud drift
And every boss should be in threat+ tier
elder flume
hmm gramophone does just makes it conveniently 0 due to percentage huh
desert prairie
hmm gramophone does just makes it conveniently 0 due to percentage huh
ive seen gravel 0 hp as well, which may be cased by s2 hp corrosion overtime
latent halo
Cardi + Ansel + hibi
proud drift
I personally only struggled with my current units on h9-6 and h10-3
But
It was less the bosses
And more stage itself
Well, manfred is uh
I had units
vernal lion
Idk but H10-3 is mob spam itself
proud drift
If u have the right oneshot units h10-3 isn’t so hard
elder flume
i need p5 specter to match cardigan hp
vernal lion
so H9-6 too
desert prairie
H9-6 was mandra second run?
latent halo
i need p5 specter to match cardigan hp
Also rain , why are u malding rat king
vernal lion
i need p5 specter to match cardigan hp
max 90 normal specter?
desert prairie
and that stage became chalter showcase
proud drift
Yea but that’s the thing like
elder flume
Also rain , why are u malding rat king
just testing his max hp * 1000 - hatred value targetting
elder flume
max 90 normal specter?
maxed 5star specter 
proud drift
If we don’t allow meta op argument
desert prairie
not necessarily
proud drift
Then every boss is threat+
desert prairie
meta ops cant save you from lugia
glass monolith
Tell me how level 90 your 5 star, i need that on Kroos alter
proud drift
They can
vernal lion
maxed 5star specter <:CeobeConfused:826566614673260627>
does this work?
latent halo
elder flume
yeah
elder flume
time to find someone to yeet
vernal lion
ok I can add if you need
somber falcon
i need p5 specter to match cardigan hp
doesn't cardigan have more hp than max spec bcs talent 
elder flume
added
vernal lion
ok
elder flume
its why i want p5 specter
vernal lion
it's on
elder flume
more testing 
elder flume
it made sense due to first decimal sighting being specter vs mephisto
or atleast documented sighting
lethal dragon
How tanky specter will be with her module
gentle finch
lol
desert prairie
which specter?
desert prairie
i can confirm
with gladiia mod 2
specter is already more tanky
than most tank
unless against rapid hitters
dps issue still applies
desert prairie
the current state of AH comps is already out of hand rn
they just outstat everything
as long as gladiia stay alive, they wont die
gentle finch
yea
desert prairie
actually, is it just me or is spectalt the one AH that dies the most
gentle finch
most bosses can straight up just 1v1 skadi and lose if they can be blocked
and have no special gimmick that will like phase thru or something like that
gentle finch
actually, is it just me or is spectalt the one AH that dies the most
eh
I guess you could say so
usually none of them end up dying
but if they do it's probably spalter
currently with all ah buffs my normal specter regens 235 HP per second
well this is going off potentials on my chars
vernal lion
ok this should be good
storm current
@vernal lion big red avenger at near bottom?
desert prairie
i still have some beefs with it but fair enough
big red avenger is just glorified weeb
at least on R18
idk high risk
what makes mephisto not joining CS on bottom tier btw?
desert prairie
i dont know the reference. honestly 5-10 wont be that different without him
unless you seriously have a bad physical dps issue
to kill junkmens
crystal meteor
why is furry mephisto at the top
storm current
A lot of people ask help for m8-8 you know
desert prairie
M8-8 CM exist
crystal meteor
secret?
storm current
Secret is easier than normal
desert prairie
you trivialize a headache if you go for secret
glass monolith
Back when i did that stage first time secret was harder for me, because when your only mean of doing damage is Chalter, there is issue of not killing boss while killing other shit
glass monolith
Also i was not smartest player when it comes to chalter placement
lethal dragon
Izumik on second tier
Izumik boss theme is god tier
scarlet fulcrum
Its actually works on auto 🗿
vernal lion
Mizuki and Izumik is almost opposite letters
scarlet fulcrum
1 year auto, well its shift matter
vernal lion
bro my NL-8 auto is broken, I don't know who to blame now
it's just that the auto " didn't " deploy anything later
I'm like wtf
latent anvil
How you only place like 5 units to win anyway
lethal dragon
Mizuki and Izumik is almost opposite letters
Eh
glass monolith
i do it in 4
elder flume
did velocity bug ever come into contact with global
desert prairie
which one?
elder flume
puller velocity gain is faster per frame
instead of the usual -2 total force rule it became -4 total force ?
elder flume
gentle finch
ok this should be good
Was trying to clear H8-4 yesterday
lethal dragon
Pog i got p0 ceobe
desert prairie
P1
gentle finch
Everytime I do something right I keep messing something else up
vernal lion
gentle finch
too much effort for gachagame
lethal dragon
Everytime I do something right I keep messing something else up
Yeah that's why I think Lugia and dbs being in same tier is wrong
lethal dragon
Lugia only requires you to outheal him
DBs has much more going with it
gentle finch
most annoying thing is the energy aggregates
everytime I focus too much on baiting burning breath, i eventually forget to properly break an aggregate
and it hits a civ
and the idiot just stands there burning to death
like a clown
proud drift
Honestly
I have the best take
tierlist is irrelevant
because every player plays differently
gentle finch
lol true
lethal dragon
No that's dumb
gentle finch
to an extent
proud drift
I mean I rarity abuse so for me every boss in that tierlist that i played against was more or less easy
only talulah made me mald a bit
and EB made me mald cuz his event reran when I started
and I still don't think mephisto should be in the same tier as talulah
cause it's literally just a difference of owning ptilopsis or not
lethal dragon
This is a general comparison of boss i don't think we need to care about niches
proud drift
whereas just having nightingale for talulah imo is not quite enough
then every boss should be in threat+
cause every boss has something that is threatening about them
if you don't play by their niche
gentle finch
I think most people kill big Bob the same
storm current
back then most just use mousse since caster cant reach him + most physical cant reach 1k+
scarlet fulcrum
Bigna
storm current
ye i malded h10-3 quite a lot
proud drift
honestly I didn't even mald much on manfred 3 cause I oneshot him
I malded h9-6 the most
cause of the enemies that come on mandra p2
lethal dragon
H10-3 yeah
storm current
oh boi cant wait until h12-4
lethal dragon
Honestly I won't compare h10-3 to h9-6 because I cleared h10-3 first and my squad wasn't as developed as it was when I cleared h9-6
desert prairie
Lugia only requires you to outheal him
DBs has much more going with it
Isnt dbs also a matter of outhealing?
proud drift
I had both runs same powerlevel cuz I speedran H stages during dead week 
proud drift
Isnt dbs also a matter of outhealing?
depends
what a friend of mien did is just
kill talulah p1
soft crystal
H9-6 was easy when i found the ifrit lane
lethal dragon
Isnt dbs also a matter of outhealing?
Not really
Like I said there's much more going on in that stage
vernal lion
h9-6 issue is the flying soldiers
a lot of them
proud drift
then deploy everything again
desert prairie
Not really
Like I said there's much more going on in that stage
Like?
storm current
assuming she doesnt explode on impact
proud drift
h9-6 was made to be a chalter showcase
but if we remove chalter from the equation the stage becomes infinitely harder
soft crystal
I didnt use chalter
storm current
imagine texas doesnt have any i frame on deploy
desert prairie
Not necessarily
storm current
literally can die from cringe
soft crystal
Even i did have her
desert prairie
It helps a lot to have chalter
desert prairie
But chalter isnt the only aoe / mt nukes
proud drift
no powercreep basically
lethal dragon
Like?
Lugia's only shtick is poison man
DBs has the burn aggravators and even civilians in h8-4
proud drift
SA was popular for h9-6
I know that much
I watched a few clears on h9-6 and everyone had silverash for it
it was like a must
but I didn't have him so it was pain
soft crystal
Silverash ifrit thorns mountain even blue poison
proud drift
but how do you deal with p2
with that team
when they send shield+invis bros
silverash, I guess?
lethal dragon
Ines 
vernal lion
you can use 1 block guard to block and kill the art sword dude
desert prairie
Lugia's only shtick is poison man
DBs has the burn aggravators and even civilian...
Burn aggro is essentially deploy red gravel everytime theyre ready
Or be madlad and tank the burn
Fireball is a matter of healcheck, or rather NG check. You can also do retreat strat if you want
Phase 2 is just phase 1 but heal harder
H8-4 idea is the same without the retreating part
Trashes are a joke except for UFO which has its hard counters
lethal dragon
Yeah definitely more things going on than Lugia
desert prairie
Lugia is healcheck, dps check, timing check, and trash check
Because for some reason hg thinks spamming beserkers is funny
When we struggle to heal past poison
lethal dragon
DPS check? Like Jaye is enough no?
desert prairie
Youre kidding right?
vernal lion
dps for mob
lethal dragon
Bruh
vernal lion
they have regen
elder flume
i really do feel like hg changed how hatred is used
soft crystal
Who needs to heal and dps check when saria can help on both
storm current
waiting for 1k atk saria
proud drift
I was helping someone do the stage
glass monolith
My H9-6 was global damage nest of cat abuse
lethal dragon
My h9-6 was so dumb
vernal lion
My H9-6 was global damage nest of cat abuse
if that right most pillar didn't fall, I would say you did no pillar challenge tho
proud drift
Now with mlynar
jesus christ
funny enough I didn't have chalter SA or mountain
back then for h9-6
lethal dragon
Gargoyle's are the real pain in ass
lethal dragon
I didn't use mountain kekw
lethal dragon
Bryg
lethal dragon
E2 gravel damn
vernal lion
she's not normal Guardian
proud drift
the module
is just way too powerful
she managed to stall mandra with kaltsit and ptilo as the healers
- it's kinda funny how the laser
funnels her S2 very well
lethal dragon
E2 gravel damn
Are you tryna tank your mama's slipper 🥿?
glass monolith
My gravel is E1 1 and i still laugh at how she tanks better than half of my blockers
vernal lion
I did stall Mandra with Saria and Skalter
it's way to dumb lol
vernal lion
it's funny that Saria kill her
lethal dragon
Wtf
vernal lion
lethal dragon
💀
vernal lion
trust me