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Is Dur-nar good?
Yeah shes not bad, but theres also another free arts defender you get playing Is2 thats “better” than her, same Archetype
who
not bad as in , dps is pretty decent* and her skills are pretty straight forward arts damage to all blocked enemies
Shalem
do i also get her from the credit store
Yeah sure it doesnt do much she’ll stay in rotation until you buy her eventually
alr thx
nah the person is talking abt durnar


which among us color is the sussiest? i think its blue haha
orange is sus
Green 
that stage is just a lee borrow tbh
Its red for sure 
red sus
red sus
Peak strat.
Help with TC-7 challenge
Team?
The usual is just use Fia and turn off brain 

Can I please get help, I really want to beat it
Lucian
Where to place Ifrit, I try Amiya S3 top left? For half hp...
Hmm
Looking mighty fine for me
I can only get half hp of Lucian top left strat
This is very easy to win actually
Then grim reaper murders my team
How many hp?
The irritating ones will be the sanity dmg dudes
Can we use ifritz s3 on those sanity
Damn my S2 is M3 so id want to keep em
Have ifrit on autoskill and kill dancers. Place her so she can also dmg Lucian when he spawns
Where would you rec placin ifrit
Mmhm
Do you want ifrit to kill dancers or help kill other mobs
@proud drift just tried it and yeah their range is long enough that they will target lee
The upside down t shape range tile
@warped palm invite kyostinV to this server and ask him
Aim up?? Does Lucian stay there in that spot
No
When Lucian passes by saria s3
Oo
R shaped ranged tiles put pozy and amiya
What is R shaped
Debuff with shamare
Thanks doktah, let me try this
Either he dies before pozy dies or he survives with some hp ig
Which one should i prioritise getting to E2?
Who are your e2 ops
Poz and Saria.
doesnt matter who are the e2 ops
Saria is good? But i already have blemishine as my guardian tank.
saria is good
but for different reason
she provide better healing and slow/art amplification on s3
strong for SSS
Art amplification? She reduce enemy art resistance?
Blemi is more of a 3 block healing guard, saria is more of a healing defender with arts buff on S3
Ok, pozy and saria is it then. Thanks
@pearl musk I did it! That ifirit placement + saria S3!! Finally beat IS2
Nc1
Saria is better. Only times i bring Blem over Saria these days is when i want to use Mudrock S2 for some spin2win.
extra hp
That's s3
Smh smh en can't read
Oo
Oooh she is hidden inside Gladiia vortex
Astgenne is real?
Dorothy banner right now 
Stop giving me hopes for finally owning chain caster who i want to play 
I've finally beaten M8-6 secret ending
💀
Needed to use like the most meta ops and strats but I barely managed to squeeze it through
Thorn + Surtr + Saria barely managed to blow up the top lane for the last wave
Now to do 2 more secret endings 
I managed to scrape by with thorns and horn for dpsing top lane with some help from perfumer
The end was at like 100 hp, very tight
I had more room since I had very built up Surtr and Saria and borrowed Thorn
Holy crap i even have chips prefarmed for Astgenne
(aka i side droped 20 while farming sniper chips because i have no casters to level
)
SurtrS3+SariaS3+ThornS3+ShiningS3 would hold up top lane, while Perfumer+Angelina+Ash+GavAlter would hold the bottom lane
Ok wtf
Nice, do it again with 4-star operator .
So now ah squad even cleared h9-6
aren't they both og and alt Specter ?
sanest abyssalknights player
yeah
Yeah CN
cause il siracusano update
Aren't they allowing both OG and Alter in same squad?
Yep in CN
Happiness to everyone
yes
also read the rule first, you don't want to get warning from this
When chapter 11 coming to global?
My bad
Sweet jesus
but probably a while until chp 11
Chances that chapter 11 before dorotpy are small, but never 0 
how hard is the to be continued event
astgenne never 
Not Vigilo level of bullshit 
Easy peasy
Tips on dealing with Ergates because I can't deal enough damage on TC-5?
Tried to push them off right in front of blue box, doesn't work 😞
Did you try Mr lee s3
Lee cheese
Just have lee somewhere, a decent chunk of aoe damage, maybe someone behind lee to block just in case (since there are those agents)
Horn lee medic +1 works for CM
most
moment i had on that map was having 100% hp front most guard, buy fucking lost second one
mvp of this stage is perfumer since she can heal the shieldguards
May I borrow yours?
Waiting from #friend-id might take a bit too long 😁
Aye
I thought you beat the stage perfectly already?
yes, 2 years ago tho
Give id
put a dps unit right in front of your blocker/defender
what enemies spawn on this stage?
use art dps as boat res is D
UFO and taunt shield dudes
shieldguard
oh those
Oh god
You're fucked 
after that, Lancer dude, Demolitionist, and 4 block dude
Ursus Desire = f*cked up stage
much much harder than Sarkaz
His anti airs are
i hope you have multiple anti air dps units
Thorns
Gg (unreliable against stationary enemies)
And *5 temp aa sniper
It'll be tough to deal with the drones
Oh amiya s3 too i guess
wow, you survive with 1 hp
yeah but like
Just don't leak
i'm going into mp blind as hell
Well uh
Just kill the assistants fast. Or else you're going to need 30 hp seals to leak mp
I'd suggest to use s2 goldendogcat
i thought it's only super late into the stage that mp gets up to walk into our house
you can block mp btw
Yeah. That's why you need frds
unless you mean i just slap gummy down onto him
And 2 medics. And a dp printer
you will be fine
i have none of those
you have GG
and i have no specialist voucher options
*5 aa sniper. Castermiya (guard s1 better imo). Surtr
it's only sniper or defender
Oh wow and also spalter s2
Spalter s2 can deal with 2 mp at once if placed correctly + hold a lane
Imo ambriel promote but wait for 2nd opinion
Do you have guardmiya?
yes
I'd change and use s1
1st skill is uhh lv 7
Pro
Did you watch some vids about mp stage?
the biggest skill issue possible
uhhh ive only watched an abyssal hunter clear of it
Pls rewatch and pay attention to enemies etc 
Maybe ask 2nd opinion about what to pick between def and sniper recs on #help
I'm leaning to promote ambriel. Use s1
Btw gg s3 and ambriel s2 global range will not aim at mp asses until there are no other enemies than them
That's why i recommend s2 gg and s1 ambriel
quick question how much is 470s in minutes?
8
thanks
470 seconds * (1 minute/60seconds) = 7.83 minutes
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この編成は大陸版での最終日の午後から試し始めたが、時間が足りなかったため最適化ができず、第2ウェーブの戦略構築の不完全さから失敗に終わった。
日本版で開催されたときに重要な記録動画が紛失していることが分かったため、過去のアイデアに囚われず、確率要素を排除するために細部を改善し、全ての可能性を試してようやくManfredの両形態を倒すための最適な戦略を見つけた後、極東攻略組の百日草によって理論解が完成された。最終的なクリア確率は10%以下程度になった。
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damn surtrless 6 op
8:20 just reminds me how insane NG S3 arts tanking is
Max risk CC boss doing almost 0 damage
Anni 1, completed
gj
I'll do 400 when I'm free and e1 hoshi raised
mod 3 right?
for now I'll spam anni 1
@supple mountain how's mp?
What's mp?
i was gonna use her to burst down that big guy who needs 4 block
Mouthpiece's asses (assistants) 
There are plenty of time the 4block guy will come
ok i'm in it now 
Time for some global targeting gaming



Grats king. You did it by yourself
Also wtf myrtle is only morale support there
No dp printer mp run. Truly a dalao of all time 
yeah i placed her down too close to the scarlet singers
so she died of death
and i just stuck to zima
Ok this is my roster
I am trying to do frozen abandoned city
this is what I am thinking
I dont wanna waste sanity so please lmk if I should change anything
Damn i died 
Bro I am new
wouldn't it be better to place mud one tile up?
Atleast my mudrock has m1 and myrtle has m3
Hello, i am also new 
How do you do get that image?
There's dalao naga here. He can help 
discord update makes the image size smaller instead of flooding
kind of obsolete
How would you deal with ufos btw?

That rule might die with new discord shit. As long as you single post them
oh retreat myrtle later and spam gravel
see the pins there is a link
dont ask me why I ignored the image rule
see my roster and lmk if i should replace someone or bring someone or change a position?
Sorry
You can ask naga. I'm very incompetent to give stage advices 
Then advice me about how to get top op ceobe
cope caster crowd control ig
let me check a bit
And exu s1 or s2?
I was gonna e2 her but I am a bit tight on mats
and anni go away in 21 hour
ok it does look good
but you will need to bait the freeze drone and freeze spider too
Yes with gravel
I decided to remove exu and borrow someone actually
but I am confused between gg and fia
This what I was thinking for fia
perfumer can heal her + passive healing to keep her hp up for the talent bonus
if gavial is last deployed range units wouldnt hurt her either
or I could borrow a gg s2 and put on tile where perfumer is facing right, but if nearl is blocking someone, gg wont hit them unless i bring s3 for global range
what do you recommend @vernal lion ?
Fia'd be behind perfumer
yea, but Thorns will get block there
so you will need Lappland to proc skill more
Fia will help for the dmg
Red tile buffed Jessleton nearly killing Astesia with S2 up 
and my placement is good or behind perfumer as abd said?
that Fia spot is really good with your placement
this anni is not hard, but the most annoying part is you have to pay attention to the type of enemy
there's a lot of annoying mob here
just remember to activate skill and bait with Gravel and Red
is 15% arts dodge really gonna do a lot for playwright or should i just go for ignore 70% def
def
you would just pick HP increase for ally, or increase dmg dealt to enemy instead
the dodge rate is just suck
which one is better to get from here
i had more a while back
but i had to take some out

spawnkill him with ntr
is the atk down useful for playwright?
sp relic seems good
+sp no doubt
pick the nerf atk
will help a lot for later

"take some out"
you have a locked slot

did you fuckin take out an ingot
at the cost of 64
no
i just didn't get that far
it was only about
202 for my highest ivestment rec
first try lets go
what on gods green earth is this fucking map
2 puppets spawncamp middle
red puppets from top left middle right
drunkards top right
have fun
I'm pretty sure ending 4 is the easiest one from all endings
but you will need 2 luck times with Encounter
mfw i have no chalter ling kal'tsit bagpipe rosmontis mountain and saria

which one
yes
thorns surtr gladiia or chen
max up to +70% for all of your op when there's 8 classes
you don't have boss killer, get Surtr
aight thanks
if you want easy run, you need to have each type of op
i don't have a lot of built ops tho

i just start off with the standard gg cardigan and adnachiel
it will be fun first, then boring later
i think i'll just save my ingots for now
not this shit again 
have you killed his first phase?
I can get him to second phase but after that he kills everyone
Any specific way to counter him?
the op that currently deals most dmg to him will get prio for the smoke bomb
he will drop that when lower than 50% of phase 1, and every 25% of phase 2
So he casts it 5 times in total?
yes
also, if the op that deals most dmg to him already got the smoke,
he will target the other op that also deals dmg to him,
if not, he will targets other last deploy op
if there's no condition meet, he will drop smoke on himself
But who is good at dealing with him like which op?
no one
Shit
everyone is fucked
but idt typewriter is affected by the fart cloud

unless i misremembered
guard Chen s3 has iframes so if you have/borrow her + warfarin s2 she can oneshot him + his fart cloud ends up on warfarin instead bc funny iframe
btw which op you got there
have fun with RNG yet
I have skill issues 
not yet
but i just did ursus desire
naga should i go for exu?
but the playwright has like 1k def....
she ain't gonna do a dent on him
Astesia gaming 
gaming
first time i've seen somebody use breeze

then you should be fun,
I was much more worse than you bro
nope, just tried
yeah typewriter can’t be buffed or debuffed
yea, the typewriter isn't, but then he will fart on the op that has that typewriter
so, have fun
it’s a summonable thing like nightingale’s cages
can mudrock handle 1 or 2 of them at once? with s2?
as long as she doesn't get frozen
she can tank all 3
should i get andreana or exu from sniper voucher
you don't use Exu, if you don't have enough buff things
then just skip
Naga this kept leaking
So now I was thinking of this
gg s2 or s3 is my main confusion
sr I forgot about that you remove Exu to replace Fia
oh no worries I am gonna try again, what u think about the one I sent above? or I could just change my previous one and remove bp coz fia handle the top side and put exu there?
are you on the final stage
yeah
about to go in
but i just need to pick an op then i can go in
well i don't have my surtr promoted
I think more about the boss
boss stat, if you need
@vernal lion I could remove bp and put exu behind perfumer or should I try the new one with gg?
what ur opinion?
thanks
you will use this for now right?
the one with fia? yes
then in return, it will leak top drone
fia should kill it
Sorry for poor quality, streamable actin up, but notice how bp scratch top drone while fia delete it
https://streamable.com/47pbqw
the top and bot drone pause
If there is a drone which doesnt pause and just fly past then maybe it could leak
use your previous placement, but remove aa sniper on the op because Fia does all dmg there
so you can place aa sniper for the bot
Thanks for the advice:D
can't you do the thing with lumen and thorns on originium tile
Ice
Pls tell me you have archetto

Fia S2 works so much better for that map
But I personally had chetto I guess
What’s the prefered alloy stage nowadays? 10-14?
red tile Thorns only works for high end squad
because you will need op to kill the drone
before it lands the freeze bomb on Thorns
Aye
not much different
I just stick to S3-6
S3-6 doesn't have t4 drop so that's kinda eh
:surtrnom.gif:
Mountain S2M3 is kind of the reason for his place in the meta.
The thing is I hardly use him
I decided to keep him at lv40 cuz I wanna E2 blaze and phantom as well lol
Kinda need the funds
On a dead week especially

Iirc if you have NG one is enough
i was thinking of bringing all 4 of mine
yeah i have ng s3 m2
is that enough?
Idk ask someone more experienced with that fight

wait aspd debuff
huh
Imagine talulah ignite, but it’s permanent and it debuffs attack speed
i didnt know anything abt that

That would help somewhat
Oh and if u undeploy the op or they die the tile becomes undeployable
So it’s a mix of mandragora and talulah

It won’t help cuz it’s not chalice
so am i right to assume that the playwright ignite thing makes his attacks stronger against it?
I dunno about that
like talulah
It’s just that the aspd debuff is quite heavy
It's 50
No
say for example uhh
It's permanent
that's why I killed the boss pretty fast, it's not become my issue anymore
do you have Gravel?
SP 20 you say? (crafts spawn kill with Fartooth) 
no
then die
i didn't get any frd
I feel like frd become pretty useful for now
Wait does it clear when dollkeeper transforms
If you don't spawn kill him you suffer
but maybe i could use that excessiveness relic to chip away at pt
idk?
i never tried it
no, it won't
Btw he gains giga resistances under 50% hp
He doesn't target already affected ops

Another way to cheese that stage is Lee + ng
i have no lee
It’s pretty much literally the product of love between talulah and mandragora
Wait what does Lee do
Just bait attacks and dodge?
Btw ngl
he looks cool
For many people
Playwright isn’t the hardest part of the stage
It’s the funny shamans

are those guys similar to the enranged possessed guys who r in like
chp 6
not the throwers but
the other guys
No it’s the dudes who commit seppuku when you kill them
And they explode
And do damage
Oh like the TW guys?
it's TW guys
Idk man but ending 4 is much easier than other ending for real tho
even Bear ending is shit a lot
majister blood witches 😢
I went into ed3 for the first time, only had a free e2 texas
I put her on blue gate
Little did I know
Dancer jumpscare


winterwisp massive arts damage
Idk how you can be bothered to play so much of IS
Maybe you have the luxury of having many choices from any voucher or sth and thus allowed to play random stuff

leader and gathering squad are pretty good for my playstyle
support squad is just, for aspd relic
so you need to cope for it
I like support the most, but I started taking medic sniper e2
Cuz I have a lot of snipers

but I like the gathering squad
Cuz Fia Archetto and Pozemka
very easy to use
roguelike is pure RNG, but still it needs your good play to beat the game easily
Ya but issue is
In other roguelikes you don’t have to play 2 years for a good roster
planning and management are the key
So while IS is a roguelike
It doesn’t reward you as well for progress and learning
As something like, say, Hades does
other roguelike games, you still need to grind for suitable char tho
Yea but the grind isn’t 2 years
should i still pick someone up from the sniper voucher or just leave it 
And you can have variety after a week of gameplay
And not the same ops every run with only different relics
focus on the strat you are playing tho
I mean it's up to you
we don't even know what needed op for you
and everytime I play, this is literally 100% of the time
good luck or bad luck, just need to overcome it and you're good
I don’t like starting with 2 specialist vouchers and a medic voucher

Or supporter voucher
uhh well
(I don’t like using blue woman)
i hate starting off w supporter too loll specialist atleast i have gladdia and can borrow spalter/kazemaru
or use weedy
none of my ops are particularly strong or dubbed boss killers
Oh now I have gladiia for specialist too

the best laneholder for final stage is Kal'tsit
But supporter like
i don't have kal'tsit
theres also gnosis but i dont have him
you can, borrow op from support when pick the voucher for the first time you play
😢
see the problem is i was gonna use spalter s2 to lanehold then surtr s3 to make some dents in playwright

Jokes on you, specialist 3 medics
(Don't pick +1 temp recruit team start)
E2 kaltsit and ptilopsis is not too bad
i wish i had hibi alter for medic
why
I have hibi alter to commit war crimes in -75% control center
damage and self sustain helps in early stages
i use her and she's not that good in battle tbh... 
It’s also just not a dead voucher
I don’t want a medic voucher especially if I have ptilo and kaltsit, but no snipers or goldenglow

Honeyberry is nice but like
yeah
i should go for left right?

Taunt + dodge
So you get to deploy others as you please
oh
Honeyberry at E2 80 S1M3 for IS3
Seaborn nervous impairment is annoying to deal with
bed time 
I have option to do Toron LT-6 x2 or LT-5 x3 to hit weekly cap, guess i go for latest 
The fact that he e2ed both add layout of cursed to this 
is there a smooth brain way to beat SSS?
Ahahaha. No 
Yes take mlynar
I know I have the ops, but brain power is not really on my side 

Taking Goldenglow, Gnosis and dying 30 times until it works all the way

exactly why I gave up collecting the final badge for each squad 
First fight for 4th ending when my squad are 3 people 
yeah
thorns keep getting freeze, lumen has like 6 bullet only, he waste bullet even if he just has cold status, pretty impractical even with s2
need whisperain I think for her status talent
s2? anyways I did that but thanks for rcmd, I will try it if I ever need to visit that map again
you do realize lumen has module that applies status res whenever he heals
I didn't get his module because the 2nd Module is better imo
I didn't get archetto module 1 because i want module 2... Also I don't have archetto... Also module 1 still not in game 
That’s kinda assuming you have archetto
Fia’s S2 is extremely low cooldown if you have archetto on field
Even lower if chen too
And it does more damage than S3 at that
What if i say i have S2M3 Quercus? 
sorry but I was playing on a friend's account and their roster is pretty limited
So i had to inhale copium
apparently
S2M2 is 3 tiles ahead was it
the forbidden Heavyrain cheese
so, Horn s1 on red tile is really cracked tho
Tell me about it 
i wonder if we ever get cheese themed skin
Not that pocture again
i have yet another gamble to make
after i thrm
i kafka immediately
that way i can get a kafka for the redberserker
and then another one for the junkmen behind it
and line it up with the vampire
to set up goldenglwo
Do you have enough time to kill mephisto tho
120s
If push comes to shove
240s
TC-7 challenge mode?
Here are my ops, I leak on the top lane and my mountain can't tank the drones.
Still leaves the drones to deal with
Idk just lee?
Drones shouldn’t be a problem
To tank the drones or to handle the top lane?
Put hoshi bottom
I tried borrowing a max level mudrock to tank the bottom
She died
Problem is the guys with the hammers
Bottom at spawn or bottom nec.xt to the machine thingies?
She does if I put her next to spawn
Bottom under drone
On the second lane?
You can borrow thorns
Put thorns on T
Hoshiguma on H
Silence on the right to heal both
that only leaves to find a way to deal with bullies
If you put them between thorns and hoshi they will die
You can prob put irene 2 tile behind hoshi with S3
Also who uses the stairs
Put them next to silence
Top right mountain solos it
Hammer guy
Won't he get bonked to death by AFK hammer bro
bruh i had melantha kill them
Surely
no way mountains dieing
Because gladiia don't have reduced def and actually fights back? 
Like this ?
Mountain has 8% max hp regen instead of 2.5%?
3.5*
Mine was mod2
So 3% ig
just give him a medic
Mod 3 mountain
mod 3 mountain 
They are ranged. First one won't move right away and can be bonking whoever in front of no deploy tile
Wait no then silence can't get to hoshi...
Where his meteorite is
Ah mk that just leaves the top lane with the stairs to deal with
I'll give it a go then












