strategy

[sonic willow]

Imgur

[proud drift]

Just send raised units

[jovial nest]

just 1 screenshot of your most leveled units

[proud drift]

One picture

Not every op

[jovial nest]

not squad, we want operator pool

[proud drift]

Like this

This is enough info

[storm current]

oh it should be doable

just

[proud drift]

Hmm you got options

[storm current]

use SA s2

to bait

[sharp swallow]

I’ve been trying to use Kal’tst to tank the mortar dudes

[jovial nest]

wait

[sharp swallow]

Her summonable I mean

[sonic willow]

Why not use hoshi

[jovial nest]

wouldn't Hoshi reflect

[storm current]

kaltsit cant out heal them

[jovial nest]

be perfect?

Hoshi reflect will kill Artillery sooner or later

[proud drift]

Would hoshi survive mega-heralded kevins?

[storm current]

yes and no

[proud drift]

Cause kevins fucking HURT

[storm current]

you see

[jovial nest]

let them borrow a Horn

[sharp swallow]

I thought she only reflected melee

[jovial nest]

they have Mudrock too

[storm current]

hoshi reflect deal physical

[jovial nest]

this is in the bag imo

[proud drift]

Borrow mudrock imo

[storm current]

mortar has 550 base def

[jovial nest]

lemme get my screenshot

[sonic willow]

Mudrock where

[storm current]

and 750 def on herald

[proud drift]

I think jusan confused nian for mud

[jovial nest]

oh shit.....ummm Dswopey's pic

[proud drift]

Or looked at my pic

LMAO

[jovial nest]

confused me

[proud drift]

I’d borrow mud personally

[jovial nest]

NGL I'm on the option for him to borrow Horn

S1M3 to be specific. But they can go with S2M3/S3M3

[meager merlin]

What masteries should I put on exu?

[sonic willow]

S3m3

[jovial nest]

lemme just try Horn on that map

[meager merlin]

Any reason why not S2?

[jovial nest]

With the operatos you have and make it a bit of a low ops due to my higher levels

[sonic willow]

Because Smol damage

[meager merlin]

Alright, thanks

[vernal lion]

OMG

imagine getting Touch

[jovial nest]

btw.....which square is least idled on?

or which squares are mostly used by artillery?

i can be fine with one herald surviving

[vernal lion]

the right most tile

[jovial nest]

got that

[vernal lion]

wait you mean "least idled" ?

[jovial nest]

yes

[vernal lion]

the LEFT MOST

bruh

EN

[jovial nest]

no this is kinda perfect

artillery idles there

and the rightmost herald gets shot easily once another herald goes beside him in Horn's range

I don't remember where that leak happened. Mostly a straggler of a Herald

in the bag from here. they can use more but make sure that the last aggro ain't gonna kill the lane

they can use more cause these DPS i have are capped

they HAVE to

[vernal lion]

have you checked the right side?

[jovial nest]

i got a solution for this low ops of mine

gonna deploy the flags on whoever was that straggler

[storm current]

you call that low ops?

[jovial nest]

low ops using their ops

with a Horn borrow

they need to use more

cause theirs are barely e2 caps

if i wanna low ops this.....Ling would be here

with Horn

those 2 might be able to

[spark sinew]

lol 2 flags

[jovial nest]

they have both

so why not

like i said, I'm recreating a low ops with what they have BUT with a Horn borrow

[spark sinew]

well they're kinda waste in most low ops

[storm current]

and their flags are e1 m0

[spark sinew]

most i remember is using solo flag in super tight CC dailies

[jovial nest]

and that matters that much? they need to use more. What i just did is to show Horn borrow's placement and Kal and Poze's placement

[proud drift]

Well

[jovial nest]

they need to develop the blockade for the isolated lane

[storm current]

timing

[jovial nest]

if necessary

[proud drift]

Can’t quite “use more” in CM

[jovial nest]

CM is not their priority

not when it seems that they just want story progress

[storm current]

?

do you like

get the joke

[jovial nest]

is it joke time now? I'm trying to help someone. I guess they left already

[storm current]

no

[spark sinew]

why are you calling it low op then

[storm current]

the CM is literally

[spark sinew]

did i miss the beginning that explains it

[storm current]

squad size down

so you have to low ops it

[jovial nest]

I'm using what they have, lessening it to make up for their handicap in levels. But its mostly to test out myself how good Horn S1M3 is to cheese the map

and Horn definitely is the borrow here imo

no point borrowing a Mudrock if Artillery's dead from 2 shots

one thing to take note of is Poze's position there is pretty dangerous so an actual medic that doesn't prioritize themselves (coughKalcough) should be there with them

[spark sinew]

why is artillery even a problem...

[jovial nest]

not just artillery

its also dealing with heralds

that map is hilariously easy once the idle camp can be killed

[spark sinew]

he probably could just try to blem the right side

maybe with some helidrop help (typewriter perhaps, i did this stage way too long ago)

[jovial nest]

the entire map hinges on being unable to touch most of the banned tiles on top left back in the days

[spark sinew]

also if their flags are m0 horn is...yeah idk

[jovial nest]

wherein the only cheese during those times were Ambriel and hookers

[spark sinew]

gl deploying all this shit

[jovial nest]

they have E2

sigh

[burnt pine]

i was tossing the heralds with shaw towards sa izi

[spark sinew]

i'm aware what's the challenge was and it's just

actually managing aggro

oh no woe is me

idt ambriel would do shit here 🤔

[jovial nest]

We're here to give them the simplest solutions yes. But if a single borrow can solve that better than the old ways

i will recommend it

[spark sinew]

i mean easiest borrow is clearly ling

[jovial nest]

Ambriel prioritizes Heralds

[proud drift]

I mean personally the problem wasn’t even the artillery

But the fucking kevins

With like 2k atk

[jovial nest]

cause the dogs hilariously

have more DEF than heralds

or whatever Ambriel's global prioritizes

but in the present

Horn is what i recommend

back then i just recommend front Mudrock being final aggro

and no one being near her vicinity

[spark sinew]

wow

[spark sinew]

they're e1 btw

[jovial nest]

they have E2 operators. They can borrow e2 capped m3'd monsters

printing fast enough is not the problem

[spark sinew]

i was talking about flags...

but yeah whatever

[jovial nest]

so masteries won't matter

lets just hope they're SL7s

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/878658576854425610/Screenshot_20210821-231458_Arknights.jpg

found it

my old low ops

pre-Ling, pre-Horn era

pre-Surtr/Thorns 1st skin

This made me curious. Next reset I'm trying Ling Horn

[scarlet fulcrum]

Sutr mud and thorns new tho

[jovial nest]

of course. But during those times, they're already present.

older players would've gone the Ambriel route

[scarlet fulcrum]

No, they didnt exist lmao

[jovial nest]

or just defender medic

or Cliffy hooking

i'd rather not find what Squid did...

cause it is quite cursed

[scarlet fulcrum]

Skull

[jovial nest]

[spark sinew]

no one would have gone ambriel

[jovial nest]

some madmen bored enough did. Can't recommend it for newbies even back then

not when Mudrock was already present

[spark sinew]

it was and still is super gimmick stuff

no one really used her seriously besides 4* players lol

[scarlet fulcrum]

Snail moment

[spark sinew]

ok, sniperknights players as well

[jovial nest]

Where's the Casterknights players at?

[spark sinew]

i wonder if penance mountain duo

idr when the first wave to the bot comes

[elder flume]

how does dark stun golem targetting work

[spark sinew]

i think it stuns the closest non-stunned op in the range

[jovial nest]

too expensive

even I'm stretching it with the potential Ling start

i literally have 0 plans

so i can't even test a Ling start

[elder flume]

first hit goes for last deployed and the next one went for 2nd last deployed when i put a new bait next to it

[spark sinew]

are they at the same distance from it?

[jovial nest]

just remember

if the enemy doesn't have global range

how far their range matters on aggro

also when did he throw it

cause sometimes they register targets way before they actually attack

[spark sinew]

no the golem literally stuns the closest operator that's not stunned

afaik anyhow

[jovial nest]

thats what it indeed feels like

ngl

[elder flume]

Orchid is deployed last

[jovial nest]

based on personal experiences

where was he?

oh there

lulz

i thought he was an operator

[spark sinew]

nearest enemy thats not stunned within a 3.6 tile range

[elder flume]

Flame being the first deployed

[jovial nest]

how late did you drop orchid?

[elder flume]

Like 6 seconds before rock throw

Before this was kroos bait

[jovial nest]

yeah sometimes just to be sure

layer that frontline

cause the Golem is so hard to read in aggro

I've "completed" IS2

and i still don't get his stun priorities

outside that it should be near him

OR the only thing near him

and that it ain't stunned

[elder flume]

its like a worse aak targetting

[jovial nest]

all i know is

[spark sinew]

completed indeed

[jovial nest]

i overcompensate by making my laners have at least 2 operators on each row

just to not leak anyone

[jovial nest]

wdym by that?

[spark sinew]

throwing e2 ops at bosses while not reading their kits

i'm not sure if you meant all endings, normal/hard or just once for each ending etc

[elder flume]

Wait he doesnt care about taunt

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/1074329797397856326/IS2_Collage.jpg

here's my personal collage

as a memorandum of me finally finishing it to what i consider "100%"

[spark sinew]

all endings on all squads is pretty good

[jovial nest]

all relics is harder

[spark sinew]

lemme edit

[jovial nest]

i quotation marked it specifically because no one completes roguelites

[spark sinew]

well it's mostly rng for last 2 endings that kills you...

[jovial nest]

outside of personal preferences

[spark sinew]

gotta love it

[jovial nest]

getting endings are a lot easier

than getting that damn Terra book

from that lady

[spark sinew]

i got the highest "+ ingot" arti the month ED4 was released

despite unlocking it very early

the one from investments iirc

too bad IS3 didn't "fix" any of these

[jovial nest]

ngl i can't wait to break my HIGHEST ATK operator record for when we get IS3, get Mlynar and he gets Bladedance

and any other physical dmg buffs directed at operators

[elder flume]

maybe i should record whenever i come across stun golem

[jovial nest]

I've grinded a lot

and its still hard to read that aggro ngl

And aggro is my bible ffs

[elder flume]

fr

[jovial nest]

i drop 2 bodies more than necessary

just to be sure

if with E2 Ling

Ling's S2 cheeses Golem hard

[proud drift]

I just kill him fast enough so he doesn’t spam stun

[jovial nest]

he throws stone on Dragon

i retreat dragon through skill

no waste

and Golem got harassed

[elder flume]

thinking of unbalanced enemy model relative to the tile could be a reason

[proud drift]

Don’t think enemy model matters

[jovial nest]

so out of all my Golem fights

[proud drift]

Since the enemy is a “circle” on a tile

[spark sinew]

it might just be random if the range is the same

[proud drift]

Regardless of the model

[jovial nest]

E2 Ling S2 is the best way to go

in terms of cheesing his rock throws

[spark sinew]

you could always ignore golem as well

[jovial nest]

you can't when he's idling near the exit

[spark sinew]

deploy either very close to the left or to the right

[jovial nest]

unless you don't mind leaking him

but with my operator pool

[spark sinew]

depends on where he spawns

[jovial nest]

ignoring him ain't in my profile

[spark sinew]

after you setup defences for the mobs you can try to tackle the golem

he's what, 3 seals iirc?
4?

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/815139955659112468/Screenshot_2021-02-27-16-29-05.png
holy smokes look at my operator pool during IS1

[spark sinew]

better than him wiping your entire formation and you leaking everything

[jovial nest]

[elder flume]

"circle"

[jovial nest]

thats when i refused to roll any banners until Surtr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/814746620985999370/Screenshot_20210226-143133_Arknights.jpg
heh....THAT THING encounter in IS1

[proud drift]

Damn IS1 UI looks so bad

[vernal lion]

I still remember that +1 hope for every non-combat node

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/815119183809216522/Screenshot_20210227-151137_Arknights.jpg
sword in stone event are just coconuts

with worse cons

[proud drift]

Like some indie dev roguelike web game

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/814753792355598356/Screenshot_20210226-150021_Arknights.jpg

now THAT's bad UI

[vernal lion]

at least it's not bad game

[jovial nest]

its a beta anyways

like with RA on CN

[proud drift]

Legit looks like a web game that someone made for their uni project

[jovial nest]

a beta of a good idea

[proud drift]

[sonic willow]

Ayo is1 ui looks better than IS2

[jovial nest]

it' ain't

[supple mountain]

wtf that's is1 ui?

oh my god that looks horrible

happy that i never was an old player

[vernal lion]

old UI just focused on gameplay

you don't even need to look at the background

[spark sinew]

eh old ui was fine

so many QoL that didn't exist though

[jovial nest]

beta-testing AK UI is definitely better than MOST gachas

[spark sinew]

clicking daily missions one by one...

manually adding the exp/gold bars to produce in factories

[dapper meadow]

any good QoL/UI changes in the future?

[spark sinew]

no "claim all" in tp

jesus

[vernal lion]

funny finger tap

[dapper meadow]

well, at least you can claim all from main base page. But yeah, wish you could collect all from inside TP

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/815573752611209246/Screenshot_20210228-211839_Arknights.jpg

Barrens Cadet (Unending now) was such a killer back then

[spark sinew]

i think you couldn't back then

[jovial nest]

no operators cheese it

[sonic willow]

Wtf unending

[jovial nest]

no Mudrock

no Ling

[spark sinew]

like you only could collect from factories

[jovial nest]

etc

[spark sinew]

..i'm not 100% sure, it's been a long time

[vernal lion]

even specialist is useless

[jovial nest]

btw

that was me doing it in EASY MODE'

[spark sinew]

i think lancers hurt much much more

[jovial nest]

cause my pool cannot go even past Floor 3 in normal

[spark sinew]

or at least it felt like it

[jovial nest]

it had the Easy mode relic

[dapper meadow]

oh damn, that would be awful. I just have keybinds, so i can spam Num1/2/3/4/5/6. At least with bluestacks, ive noticed the game responding faster to keybind than clicking w/ mouse

[jovial nest]

and no nothing changed

[spark sinew]

hmmm

[jovial nest]

just that we have stronger ops now

ops that trivialize Unending

and most of them are meta

[spark sinew]

probably just overall power of units rising and our levels

[vernal lion]

just Ling

[spark sinew]

well i mean you can just tank through it today

[proud drift]

On LDPlayer for me it’s quite the opposite

[spark sinew]

fairly sure back then you would get oneshot on emergency

[proud drift]

Keybind feels like it has a 0.5 delay or sth

While clicking is instant

I could play ch10 and cc10 frame by frame with mouse and on phone

But keybind was a pain

[jovial nest]

IS1 memories for me are....
Specialist Voucher? Get that Gravel
Supporter Voucher? Get that Orchid

got both already? TOO BAD

[spark sinew]

i got my rewards and dipped
didn't like IS1 much

[jovial nest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMav0uVkAIOtSn?format=jpg&name=large
This is from SOMEONE ELSE who cleared IS1 with the INSTANT REDEP VG broken combo of relics

[sonic willow]

No Jaye?

[dapper meadow]

really? I tried LDPlayer a week or so ago, but forgot i had it. You prefer it over bluestacks?

[spark sinew]

at least we can get back the IS1 bosses now

[jovial nest]

back then Gnosis didn't exist so Jaye remained E0

[spark sinew]

with next roguelike

[jovial nest]

for base

[proud drift]

I only used nox and ld, ld feels much much better and comfier

Haven’t crashed besides the times when using it for over 6 hours

[jovial nest]

theyre gonna be a joke....EXCEPT possibly Walmart FN

[spark sinew]

skullshatterer can wreck face

[frigid kite]

Did it already?

[spark sinew]

if you didn't know he nerfed dp gen

[dapper meadow]

yeah im not touching Nox, but might give LD another try

[jovial nest]

i had LD player efff me up by not installing IC when it had no issues with LE

[spark sinew]

which you wouldn't the first time around

[jovial nest]

went back to Mumu

and never went back since

[proud drift]

I had no installation issues

Friends didn’t either

[dapper meadow]

Oh shoot, maybe thats why i swapped to LDPlayer, and just forgot why i switched. Bluestacks will crash every so often

[jovial nest]

either way i prefer my shortcut keys with Mumu

[sharp swallow]

Still trying but got a better idea of what to do

[spark sinew]

Nox had horrible delays for keybinds in my case

like a second or so

[dapper meadow]

whats mumu?

[jovial nest]

also has fullscreen locking

[spark sinew]

especially the key you bind to "back" button

[jovial nest]

so i don't hit the bottomright button of the taskbar

[frigid kite]

Ah and here's the cm, monster just cant tank the hits so Saria made it plausible

[jovial nest]

i have no idea why i can still hit that button when fullscreening in LD

[frigid kite]

Ok, if you want help just share the team

[sharp swallow]

I’ve been using the two pullers to pull them in

[frigid kite]

Wow interesting team

No full 12?

[sharp swallow]

Well, I can’t put all 12 in

So I took away the extras

[jovial nest]

how so....

no thats not the point

you bring 12

so if someone dies

[sharp swallow]

Deployment limit

[jovial nest]

you replace easily

also thats the point of the whole VG -> Guard/Defender

thats why most bring 3 or more VGs

accelerate DP

then retreat most if not all VGs for the true tanks and DPS

you bring more as well

to be flexible

helidrops, fast redeploys

you name it

[sharp swallow]

But there’s really no fast redeployment I could use here, and once I got my team down, I can’t add to it because the Mortar dudes will change operators

[proud drift]

I’d like to warn you tho that challenge mode for this stage is 7 squad limit

[frigid kite]

Well, after that explanation i'll check the stage with your team, give me 5 mnts or so

[jovial nest]

its not about Fast redeploys

[jovial nest]

its about replacements for the unintended fails

your defender died?

bring down your spare rather than your entire attempt dying

same for anything that usually could die

[frigid kite]

Also, @sharp swallow why are you losing?

[jovial nest]

there's plenty of use to a 12-13 slot squad to a deployment limit

what do you think players do when a high risk CC gives them Deployment limit of 5 in max risk?

they cycle operators like a mofo

and use all 13 slots

[proud drift]

High risk cc players bring as minimal ops as possible for bragging rights

[sharp swallow]

The grand push at the ending both in the bottom left and top right

[jovial nest]

that only exists for CC permas that are easier to max risk than usuals

like CC7 and CC10

[frigid kite]

I see

[dapper meadow]

can you borrow a Eyja?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALslMzzZFI

[frigid kite]

Ok

[sharp swallow]

But I understand that, it’s not like I don’t do it

[jovial nest]

you don't do it from not bringing 12

hell i recommend you bring 13 if you're not farming that map

[dapper meadow]

dont need eyja, but she trivializes it. Posted to show that 7-16 CM its definitely doable at your level though

[proud drift]

Tfw forced to play 13 ops every time cuz bagpipeless

[jovial nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgNqCf6Sik
Deployment limit taken to the extreme. Aka.....self-challenging yourself to a Deployment cap of 1

its a good watch unless you don't want spoilers

[proud drift]

Now do h8-4 1p relay on 3* clear

[latent monolith]

It's a 1P no hit too

[supple mountain]

i cant clear RI EX 8 CM thé stupid bird runs off too fast for me and i cant setup in time for when the bird comes out of the machine

[latent monolith]

[molten swan]

okay but can you do it better

[molten swan]

and restrict yourself to one tile

[supple mountain]

see it'd be easier if i could just spawnkill but gg targeting is wack

[proud drift]

RI?

[jovial nest]

WTH there's actual 1p relay of H8-4

time to watch

[supple mountain]

gavial event

i think that's the stage name idk

[proud drift]

Wait seriously?

[supple mountain]

i don't remember

[latent monolith]

Great chief returns yeah

[jovial nest]

loophole of using things that don't eat up deployment

like robots

[proud drift]

Ah

[jovial nest]

or NG's dolls

[proud drift]

The cheese

[supple mountain]

this one

[jovial nest]

still thats insane just from that

[supple mountain]

but some tiles aren't deployable

[jovial nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEVvwFtn5v0

[supple mountain]

here

[supple mountain]

wtf

[proud drift]

Is TN version nerfed or no?

[jovial nest]

welcome to AK

[proud drift]

For the chicken boss

[jovial nest]

where humble pies are really really common

[supple mountain]

TN?

[molten swan]

I think it's the same

[jovial nest]

its nice to be humbled now and then

to me its pure awe anyways

some players are just so impressive

in theorycrafting

and grinding it

[proud drift]

Have you seen fersangu’s cc10 max risk 6op

With scene

[turbid badge]

yes

[proud drift]

[jovial nest]

yeah for me that's ehhhh

specifically because artillery just carries so goddamn hard

I'm actually more impressed with low ops of max risk CC7

[proud drift]

Idk that scene gaming and catching timings was whack

[jovial nest]

cause you still have to deal damage to the boss all from you

[proud drift]

Especially knowing he made the strat himself

[supple mountain]

the parts i circled are where i cant deploy cause CM

[proud drift]

Instead of looking someone’s clear up and going off of it

[jovial nest]

low ops CC7 relied on Phantom S3 RNG

i'd rather be dodging artillery

cause i cleared max risk

[jovial nest]

and had good practice of it now

[molten swan]

cn did scene before

[jovial nest]

and yes

[molten swan]

his unique strat change was suzuran

[jovial nest]

CN always does it first

the core anyway

[proud drift]

Wrong thing

He’s doing 7-16

[jovial nest]

the best non-CNs can do is CC4 max risk Mostima+Skyfire comp

[gray stone]

CN leaving EN CC crumbs of content

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh lmao more simple then

[jovial nest]

but even that was considered to be CN smurfs

[molten swan]

pretty sure fuji did cc8 optimized

[gray stone]

New records are still made like Maleknights tho

[jovial nest]

its such a downer CC9 was never max risked

but i guess thats how insane that CC was

[gray stone]

Double SP risks, DP3, Nervous Impairment

[jovial nest]

movement speed Reapers too

[proud drift]

That’s what happens when you pair enemy getting double their HP and even more if including separate mob buffs

And also -55% atk

[jovial nest]

they took movement speed Reapers right?

[frigid kite]

@sharp swallow First Irene burst

[proud drift]

You deal negative damage to inflated healthbars

[gray stone]

Pretty much all major enemies get their own risks

[jovial nest]

no one would dare take lower bleed risk for Reapers

not with highest risk

[frigid kite]

Deploy like this

[jovial nest]

cause that will take forever to kill

[frigid kite]

Last Irene Burst, save the skill for that moment

[proud drift]

The hardest thing to deal with in high risk cc9 always seemed to be eggs

[frigid kite]

Monster last, he tanks

Click = Rockrock

[proud drift]

every run would go to a 10 hour stallfest with defenders or pullers and a blemishine

[jovial nest]

why isn't he borrowing a Horn or something? that map ain't good farm anyways

[gray stone]

It's everything combined

You need to deal with Reapers and FTT but still have to leave cooldowns for eggs

[jovial nest]

like i said before CC9 existed

[supple mountain]

[jovial nest]

if UT spammed eggs with reapers a lot

it makes for the most chaotic experience

cause those 2 are perfect

[proud drift]

Idk nothing seems more painful than the clip of the guy clicking his 4 operators in a sequence on slow-mo

[jovial nest]

in terms of backing up the other's weakness

[proud drift]

Cliffheart and other 3 I don’t remember

To cancel their autoattack animation

[gray stone]

The auto cancel was Gladiia iirc

[proud drift]

With a skill that couldn’t be used

[jovial nest]

Gladiia S3 strats

the most toxic of them all

[molten swan]

zafang

[proud drift]

It was cliffheart gladia and smth else

[molten swan]

cliff feater gladiia snowsant

[jovial nest]

i saw no Cliffheart

[molten swan]

there was cliff

[jovial nest]

we talking highest risk CC9?

[molten swan]

no lmao

specknights

[gray stone]

Lmao what

[supple mountain]

specialistknights zaf clear?

[molten swan]

that clip of a guy rotating 4 skills to stall shit was zafang

doing specknights

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nfQY_EncZA

[ornate siren]

[turbid badge]

lul

[proud drift]

Least psycho nicheknights player

[supple mountain]

sanest nicheknights player

[jovial nest]

thats 1 way to loophole the 1P

still eats up 1 deployment

[harsh gale]

@sonic willow how many #2 clues did you have?

Thanx for the clues tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1070985710045233153.png?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[sharp swallow]

I finally beat it

But I missed one

[frigid kite]

[scarlet fulcrum]

Thats weird if leak with those ops

Damn

[supple mountain]

the parts i circled at the top are where i cant deploy ops on anymore @frigid kite

cause if it wasn't undeployable at the top

i could easily burst down with like

skadi s3

or surtr s3

[frigid kite]

Where do you put Thorns?

[supple mountain]

uhhh

idk i don't really use him at the stage

[sonic willow]

idk I just remember to dump them all at once when I can't claim more

[supple mountain]

he just sits there in the line up

[frigid kite]

💀

[solemn anvil]

what vanguards do you use? or have ready

[supple mountain]

uhh myrtle

that's p much it

[frigid kite]

Well give me 3 mnts

Also, you don't like thorns or something?

[supple mountain]

yea just can't kill fast enough

[supple mountain]

nah i love thorns as a character i just dk where to use him

[frigid kite]

Put him where Gladiia

[supple mountain]

ok

[frigid kite]

And I see you burst the boss down there

[supple mountain]

yeah i burst the boss down where ng and gg are

[vernal lion]

why not using slow

[jovial nest]

When my pool was still not that good against that map

[frigid kite]

@supple mountain what casters do you have?

[jovial nest]

Orchid and Ethan helped me hard

use slows and binds on HP

but you do have to kill BU a bit earlier

and avoid getting your lane stunned hard

[mild whale]

How the bird can run to the blue box

[frigid kite]

El loro

[supple mountain]

uhh amiya indigo

[frigid kite]

Ok

[supple mountain]

here

also pretend that passenger isn't there i hate him

[mild whale]

Suzuran s3, Kafka, red s2, Gladiia s3, ethan s2, gnosus s3, Black night s2,...

You can use them to slow it down and it dies itself

[supple mountain]

i don't have gnosis or ethan or kafka

[vernal lion]

20 seconds for Indigo s2

don't think it's enough

even my Frostleaf s2m3 has failed

[civic crown]

based indigo enjoyer

[vernal lion]

do you borrow support or not?

[mild whale]

Manticore s1, phnlantom s3, may s1, ... So many op can help with that boss

[supple mountain]

yes

[mild whale]

Ely s2 also good

[vernal lion]

which one?

[supple mountain]

dude i don't have any of those ops at e2

[supple mountain]

gg

s3 m3

[mild whale]

Bruh why GG. It won't target the bird

[supple mountain]

i don't even have may or manticore at e1

[supple mountain]

for global range

[mild whale]

May manticore e0

[supple mountain]

yeah

[mild whale]

And it doesn't target the boss. Pretty useless against it

[frigid kite]

Wait what level is amiya

I don't see her

[solemn anvil]

might need blocker + healer if suzu/surtr is weaker

[supple mountain]

here

[supple mountain]

she's in guard form that's why

[mild whale]

I mean they work at e0

[frigid kite]

Ah true lol

[supple mountain]

but e2 40

for amiya

[supple mountain]

🤝

[vernal lion]

you need to bind or slow it for 30 seconds

[supple mountain]

it's rng for indigo bind tho isn't it?

the chances r lower cause it's not m3 or m2

[civic crown]

yes, but it's not exactly terri-

oh

f

[mild whale]

Elysium e1 s2 lv7 can slow down a bit for 15 sec

[supple mountain]

i'm working on putting mastery on indigo tho

[civic crown]

tbh

[supple mountain]

i don't have elysium

[civic crown]

borrow a robin

or frost

if they're on your FL

[vernal lion]

the time needed for p2

[supple mountain]

i have none of those ops on my FL

[mild whale]

Borrow suzu

[vernal lion]

ok let's me ask again, who did kill the boss p1?

[supple mountain]

uhhh

surtr

spalter

[vernal lion]

then why GG borrow lol

[supple mountain]

and gg

[vernal lion]

I don't think GG deal more dmg than Surtr

[supple mountain]

no she helped out a bit

not do more dmg than my surtr

[vernal lion]

what is Surtr level and her skill level

[supple mountain]

lv 80 m3 s3

[vernal lion]

lacking 20 atk comparing level 80 with 90

[supple mountain]

bro i'm fucking poor

i cant lv 90 her

[vernal lion]

nope, just use more caster tho

[supple mountain]

and does 20 atk really make that much of a difference

[vernal lion]

20 x 4.3 = 86

[supple mountain]

???

[vernal lion]

yes, I think

[supple mountain]

what's the math for

[mild whale]

iirc lv 70 to 80 need like ~200k lmd

and it's totally useless in general content

[vernal lion]

s3m3 gives +330%, so it's 430% atk, or 4.3

[supple mountain]

i know shes bad but is hibalter a viable option for slowing with her s2

if not i'll just use red to stun the bird or smth

[spark sinew]

hibialter is not bad?

[supple mountain]

everyone told me she's bad

[mild whale]

i thought surtr alone can solo BU with 1 s3 circle ?

[vernal lion]

I saw your Indigo, died from boss atk?

[mild whale]

suzu alone can hold the boss p2 to almost dead already

or you can borrow Carnelian with s2m3

[supple mountain]

which one is her s2

[supple mountain]

o

[vernal lion]

I don't think 25 seconds is enough

[supple mountain]

so who do i borrow?

cause can't find an s2m3 carnelian and i don't have her either

[vernal lion]

ugh

I forgot

lmao

[supple mountain]

wait quick question

can i stun the boss while it's in bird phase

cause i was thinking maybe i'll try ntrk

[vernal lion]

you can do whatever CC effect is to the bird

[vernal lion]

why lol

[supple mountain]

i just wanted to try it...?

and idk who to borrow since i can't find s2m3 carnelian

[mild whale]

i forget that surtr can't block the boss

[solemn anvil]

can this work? thats ~50% hp gone already

[vernal lion]

[mild whale]

it should

[frigid kite]

@supple mountain

[mild whale]

but i don't think he has that many op to use

[frigid kite]

So neither Orchid or Suzuran die

After that, just keep cycling on surtr place for operators to tank the casters

[supple mountain]

i don't have mountain

[frigid kite]

Ignore mountain

[supple mountain]

[frigid kite]

Mountain is like Dorothy in that image

[supple mountain]

would spalter work in his place

[vernal lion]

@supple mountain
borrow Saria s3

[supple mountain]

does it have to be m3?

[vernal lion]

that's s3m0

[supple mountain]

[vernal lion]

that time I just didn't really use her much

[frigid kite]

Pretty impresive how Ceobe with Module solo it

[supple mountain]

dp issue

i cant place down spalter in time

[solemn anvil]

even with myrtle?

[frigid kite]

Myrtle - > specter

[supple mountain]

yeah

cause o placed thorns first

then i put down spalter

but if i put down spalter first

i'll leak at the top

but i can just place gladiia behind where i'd put thorns

to avoid leak

[frigid kite]

Myrtle has the same Cost as Mountain

[solemn anvil]

how much dp is lacking? if its ~2 dp then gladiia (max pot) could maybe?

if that's still unreachable time to go back to 2020 and use 2 pioneers vanguards and immediately replace with thorns + spalter

[supple mountain]

ok wait i figured it out now to try it out for real

fun

[frigid kite]

Own strat? Amazing

[glass monolith]

I just Gladiia S3 to hold boss while i delete him

[supple mountain]

it has been done finally

i just used gladiia to lanehold until i get enough dp for thorns

since spalter + gladiia is only 28

[harsh gale]

So i was your clue no. 2 dump?

[proud drift]

tfw me and lolicon dumped on each other out

only issue is he somehow once again dumped the exact same clues abd did 4 days ago

[harsh gale]

That sounds wrong

[neat skiff]

Seems I haven't been paying attention. Didn't realise just how much Hellagurs module helps him.

Was so focused on Rosa and her top tier module.

[vernal lion]

25% dmg decrease when below 50% HP is pretty much good for him as a solokill op

[neat skiff]

Plus he gets +130 aspd when below 50% instead of +100 below 30%.

[tidal sedge]

idk how much it actually affect his practical use tho, he's still a single target duelist that stays on the field

[sonic willow]

I'll dump other clues next time

[neat skiff]

Yeah, with module he deals with 700-1200 def enemies easier. However in the current that is a pretty low def value.

[vernal lion]

hmm doesn't s2 make him a helidrop?

[neat skiff]

S2M3 cost 25 initial 15.

[tidal sedge]

how does module help him deal with def easier besides the flat +90 atk buff

like yeah it's something

[neat skiff]

It's mostly the aspd.

[tidal sedge]

still would rather just drop skadi or something

[neat skiff]

The way the math works out 1200 def is where the gains hit a breakpoint where the extra aspd doesn't reaally increase dps as much as lower def values.

[vernal lion]

hellagur can survive more tks for the mod tho

musha issue is they need to balance the losing HP from enemy atk,
and still can recover HP to keep fighting

[tidal sedge]

how will this affect hellagur s1

[mossy chasm]

Can I do stage 8 of the event without help if my best/only built 6*s are SA/Gavial Alter? I have Pozëmka too but she's still e1

I'm having trouble taking down the big guys/Pugilists

[neat skiff]

The big guys is basically entirely about not blocking unless absolutely mandatory.

[solemn anvil]

if you can get good chalter its basically 70% done already

[vernal lion]

the atk from s1 and s2 are almost same
but the role of s1 and s2 are different

[neat skiff]

No borrow.

[solemn anvil]

so thats what no help means, i thought he wants to do it himself

[vernal lion]

also, do remember that s1 is afk skill

we don't use afk skill if it's a serious job

[neat skiff]

Also, watching Qiubai early showcases and the more I see her the more I want to pull Dorothy over Mlynar. More than 1 video made her look good.

[tidal sedge]

sounds like a personal problem

[neat skiff]

Oh pretty much. Basically relying on friend support.

[glass monolith]

I plan to pull lightly on both Stainless and Mlynar, if i dont get them in 2 6*s i will just abandon banner

[neat skiff]

But "new op: we're trying to show she isn't the 6 star Frostleaf. I'll prove it by only Suzuran and Saria helping her"

[glass monolith]

Better prove me that new Crusher is not just Savage re-release

[solemn anvil]

what are her binds rng? 40%?

[surreal star]

Iirc 20%?

[neat skiff]

20/23%

[solemn anvil]

oof pretty bad ngl

[tidal sedge]

I don't think you really use her for bind ye

[solemn anvil]

yea but her bind IS her damage right?

[vernal lion]

honestly, it's like slapping right into my FACE

[glass monolith]

Frostleaf module will be 3x4 box

[tidal sedge]

I'd rather just use her s3 with suzu and not worry about the rng

[neat skiff]

Suzu or Saria S3 are her absolute best friends. Basically mandatory to make her useable.

[surreal star]

Saria doesn’t count for slow though, right?

[full finch]

saria doesn't proc bonus hits

[tidal sedge]

I don't think her talent gets activated by -mvspd slow does it?

[full finch]

since it's not sluggish

suzu is her best friend though

[neat skiff]

Arts boost.

[full finch]

it's still not worth it

almost half her damage comes from bonus hits

[solemn anvil]

yea but thats the thing holding her back imo
if its like 40% then it feels much better because she's more viable solo

[neat skiff]

Which she really likes Sarias arts fragile.

[tidal sedge]

at least her cycle lines up with suzu

[full finch]

yeah

[surreal star]

[tidal sedge]

suzu just has straight up better cycle split tho, 50 cost 35 duration instead of 55 cost 30 duration on qiubai

[neat skiff]

Honestly Qiubais S2 looks more interesting.

1906 atk with 300% atk_scale. Also it activates her talent 1.

[full finch]

300% arts with no atk boost
then +140% ATK for 3 attacks, and 300% phys damage

[neat skiff]

S1 and S3 really want a 2nd op to make them worthwhile. S2 will work on its own, though Ch'en afk off in a corner doesn't hurt.

[tidal sedge]

why does s1 need another op?

[turbid badge]

Death of cheafun? we didnt get any modules?

[neat skiff]

So stop complaints like Xolli "300% atk_scale with no atk boost"

[full finch]

the initial arts hit does not get the skill atk boost wdym

[neat skiff]

It's somehow worse than Fartooth S2 complaints.

[glass monolith]

I will pulls Lin banner for Fire Whistle because i don't care about Ling's male bloodline

[neat skiff]

Even though he is arguably the second strongest?

[solemn anvil]

kinda nice for my lazy ass, periodically sends out a nuke

[full finch]

4sp offensive

[glass monolith]

What if we Chen fuel this shit?

[turbid badge]

Damn nice bind

[solemn anvil]

i've worked with worse
anything for my lazy ass

[neat skiff]

794 atk with trust and pot 4. 2382 arts damage explosion every 6.5 seconds.

[full finch]

that's worse than dusk

[tidal sedge]

also dusk is massive aoe

how big is qiubai aoe

[full finch]

I think it's rather large

but even considering potential bonus damage from RNG bind I don't think it deals more damage than dusk
while being less consistent

[tidal sedge]

oh 1.7, not bad

[full finch]

dusk S1M3 is 250% for 5sp auto

[tidal sedge]

oh it's actually the same radius as dusk s1

[full finch]

but dusk has like 1300 atk

[tidal sedge]

dusk s1m3 is 5 sp

[full finch]

ye mb

[turbid badge]

[solemn anvil]

need more cheap aoe arts auto nuke, what do we have so far? dusk,eyja,qiu bai and?

[glass monolith]

Oh right, RES exists

[modern plover]

Sl7

[tidal sedge]

yeah I already looked it up and it has same radius as dusk s1

[neat skiff]

Almost like that video came out half an hour after the server opened.

As they always do.

[modern plover]

I mean there should be s3m3 showcase now

[neat skiff]

Of course there is.

S2 as well.

S1 is ignored.

[glass monolith]

[neat skiff]

When the discussion is about S1 however.

[modern plover]

I dont think s1 is that bad, it has some funny shenanigans

[tidal sedge]

oh s1 doesn't detonate early if the target dies, damage just doesn't happen

[modern plover]

Unlike s2

[neat skiff]

With S2 and S3 being so much better her S1 is basically the same as Chalter S2. You could but why would you.

[glass monolith]

Challenge accepted I don't care i skip her

[solemn anvil]

i need to see monhun banner first before i decide, devs are way too baitey rn

[neat skiff]

I'm sure the 6 star Frostleaf will have fans, but when her summary is "with Suzurans help she is like Surtr but trades less damage for wider range. Though Surtr does it without Suzurans help"

[frigid kite]

My take on it is Rathalos and Kirin

Or similar

No idea if monsters or operators

[solemn anvil]

rathalos is high chance,almost all collabs use its armor for collab character

[tidal sedge]

hbg will powercreep pozy

[frigid kite]

Ah well of course, rathalos is the main star of it anyways

Cant wait for Thorns switch axe...

[solemn anvil]

nah hbg will powercrept fia~~ cluster bombs~~

[neat skiff]

hbg?

[solemn anvil]

heavy bowgun,basically gunpowdered powered crossbow

[frigid kite]

Heavy bowgun

Weapon from monster hunter

[neat skiff]

So Rosa?

[frigid kite]

Hmmm

Nah

[solemn anvil]

an OP weapon that is top 2 picks for speedrun

[turbid badge]

feel like itll just be operators in the armor

[solemn anvil]

only contested by the flagship great sword

[solemn anvil]

saga skin

[frigid kite]

It's more like a weaponized crossbow that shoots pellets that are actually bullets

[neat skiff]

Really not selling the fantasy tbh.

[tidal sedge]

isn't a crossbow already weaponized

[neat skiff]

"It's a crosshow that looks like a sniper but it shoots buckshot"

[frigid kite]

Even more mechanized

[modern plover]

So its like meteorite bow?

[frigid kite]

Wait

[solemn anvil]

actually pretty close i think

[frigid kite]

Just let you see you guys yourself lol https://youtu.be/AUext-WL5mw

Pick from Rise because is the most recent version of the weapon, usually it isn't that mobilized (and yes, i know this is offtopic, sorry)

[modern plover]

Definitely look like a bow :clueless:

[vernal lion]

we do have monster hunter collab

just don't know when

[neat skiff]

Whatever it is, I hope it's not a palico.

[full finch]

isn't the welfare a palico

[frigid kite]

There is 1 palico operator

[neat skiff]

The fan response would be... concerning.

[turbid badge]

yeah its the welfare

[tidal sedge]

the palico op is the one thing we do know we're getting

[frigid kite]

But I already said it before, my prediction is Rathalos armor guy crusher for 6*

[tidal sedge]

what did he mean by this

[neat skiff]

Rule 34.

[frigid kite]

Oh

[tidal sedge]

???

I don't understand why a palico op would encourage that

[turbid badge]

i hope its related to higashi

[solemn anvil]

its the internet you think they're sane?

[turbid badge]

and yato noir corne!! in sick armor

[neat skiff]

For the love of all that is holy no not even consider looking it up.

Maintain your innocence.

[tidal sedge]

I don't think we're really understanding each other here

[full finch]

I have confidence the general community knows their limits

also don't nsfw bait

[frigid kite]

Ironically, on the late games Palicos have been seen like little waifus because of the dresses you can put them on... Yeah

[neat skiff]

Suzuran and Shamare say otherwise.

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/642135298217869323.png

[vernal lion]

Rathalos as a boss from Monster Hunter

[neat skiff]

See, now that would be cool.

[vernal lion]

if it is

[neat skiff]

With any luck it would be like FFXIV and the fight stays permanently playable.

[tidal sedge]

no shot

[neat skiff]

Would be bad if it was like rainbow 6. Even worse if it's like 9 colour deer.

[tidal sedge]

anyone who thinks an ak collab won't be limited is on serious

[neat skiff]

The MH team have done "always available" contracts before. Several times.

[frigid kite]

I hope they make the Rathalos boss fight really hard

[turbid badge]

sui xiang vibes

[frigid kite]

If they even make it

[tidal sedge]

yeah but ak never has

[neat skiff]

If there is no banner and only a welfare throw it in side story and open record restore right away :copium overdose:

[glass monolith]

Copium savium

[harsh gale]

[burnt pine]

having trouble with TC 5 the can't be blocked rushers leak all the time and my irl and ig sanity is getting wasted

cm is -7 per fail

[supple mountain]

do you have an anti air sniper to deal with them

also iirc you can just shut up the stun snipers with lappland

[burnt pine]

i borrow thorns and i use sa then when on cd i use poz

the issue are the rushers not the stuns

[supple mountain]

ok get a decel binder then

plus a sniper

it doesn't have to be anyone fancy you can just use orchid

[burnt pine]

this is the team

[supple mountain]

also thorns is ur laneholder i presume?

bring another sniper if pozy isn't enough to deal with them

[burnt pine]

yeah at a certain time when both sa and poz are on cd he can't outdps the enemy

[supple mountain]

who is it that thorns struggles with?

the rock breaker?

[burnt pine]

i will try with this

if i fail i will just abandon i guess

[supple mountain]

nah it's not impossible

just slow down the unblockable enemies

thorns poison + pozy should be enough to kill them

[burnt pine]

actual nvm

this part for example

wait holy this is the normal stage

[supple mountain]

[burnt pine]

and i thought why is this a breeze

[supple mountain]

if u use pozy + thorns and orchid + sa that should be enough to kill the ergate guys

but i don't have sa or pozy so

can't try it out

[burnt pine]

earlier when i put exu on the bottom tiles she died so quickly from the casters

can't afford a healer with her

[supple mountain]

cause you need a healer to support her

or somebody with a lot of range

like ambriel s2 or gg s3 but the targeting is wack

ideally gg s3 cause she can still attack even after stunned which is helpful

but exu and a healer should be enough tho

[cyan gorge]

I used Fia + 2 blockers and a slow to handle top
Cheeto + the occasion pozy turret was enough for bottom

[glass monolith]

Just pozy S2 you casul

[burnt pine]

i will heli drop canta and hope for the best

[turbid badge]

borrow lee

[burnt pine]

well exu is frying them

i never thought she is more useful than poz

[glass monolith]

[burnt pine]

holy this is so izi why did i waste 40 sanity failing on it