strategy

[tidal sedge]

I cleared without SA

[proud drift]

make the invisible + shield duo not spawn?

[rustic turret]

Everybody got a shamare??

[sharp mango]

just have

[tidal sedge]

Well, SA s3

[vernal lion]

not you lmao

[tidal sedge]

I used SA s2

[cyan gorge]

Scene

[proud drift]

ok that still doesn't stop them from spawning

[latent monolith]

But it does allow you to fia them from a safe distance

[proud drift]

not really no

[latent monolith]

Or chalter them or horn them or like what do you have

[proud drift]

Fia has no medic to keep her alive

by that time

[livid delta]

Shamare demolishes the invisible duo squad by reducing their atk and def

[proud drift]

no the issue is not that they do damage or anything

it's the issue that they exist

so they leak

[livid delta]

Just kill them

[proud drift]

because mandragora walks together with them

[livid delta]

Maybe reduce their attack and def so they die and you don't take damage

[proud drift]

their damage

is

not

the

issue

[livid delta]

Also gravel?

If you have an issue with spacing

[proud drift]

the issue is that they exist

[livid delta]

You can stall them

[proud drift]

as last 10 enemies

[livid delta]

Just make them unexist

[vernal lion]

ugh borrowing Exusiai, and trying with plan first
then if you failed, just speak out the reason you failed

[proud drift]

w/e fuck this stage I'll just leave it uncleared for like the next half a year

retarded stage

[livid delta]

[proud drift]

[rustic turret]

I borrowed exusiai, replaced jessica with hung, I won

Yass

Ty for the help

[vernal lion]

ok good one

[solemn anvil]

the power of over levelling,always works
now go level your ops seriously

[proud drift]

well, maybe when my mountain is e2 60 s2m3 and when I get silverash or chalter and raise them to similar level

[sharp mango]

[proud drift]

then I can probs clear h9-6

[vernal lion]

ok, E1 Amiya, I didn't notice that

[solemn anvil]

go to #help if you want help on squad composition (send what you have; if its >2 images, use imgur)

[rustic turret]

K

[sharp mango]

just use krooster tbh
should be easier if u gonna post ur roster often

https://www.krooster.com

[cursive wedge]

u have thorns and mud ye?

[proud drift]

h9-6

not that 9-6

[cursive wedge]

Oooooh

my b

[sharp mango]

this is ur fault for not putting a H

[proud drift]

idk dogshit stage I'll just leave it uncleared until I pull a silverash or chalter

stage so bad kyostin needed two 6* for it

one of them being balans

[solemn anvil]

all that 6 stars...and not the 2 needed

[frigid kite]

Sup, finished already?

[rustic turret]

Yes

[desert tangle]

Can Shaw push the unblockable guy when we kill the boss( that bird thing) in great chief return

[frigid kite]

Slow

[desert tangle]

Oh alright

[cursive wedge]

no sa wtf

[frigid kite]

[proud drift]

I wonder if blemi+ptilopsis can survive laser

I might have an idea then on how to make it much easier for myself

[livid delta]

Use Czerny

[cursive wedge]

just brute force manda

[proud drift]

manda

is not the issue

it's the shits that spawn on her phase 2

[livid delta]

Use gravel

[proud drift]

the invis+shield dudes

when I think about it silverash is pretty clutch for that strat for two reasons

he reveals and s3's the ones on left side

and he reveals the others for chalter

[cursive wedge]

horn s1

[livid delta]

Use scene

[proud drift]

before they walk up to him

[livid delta]

Or use gravel

[proud drift]

gravel got oneshot and he's back to stealth

[desert tangle]

Thanks cleared the level

[livid delta]

Maybe use a not defective gravel

[glass monolith]

Only time i had gravel oneshot is when i said hi to +++ATK ---Ally HP reaper in CC9

And only because she is my e1 1 because i literally gain no value from leveling her, she already survives all i need her to survive

[agile ember]

Is mudrock s2 mastery worth?

[turbid badge]

yea

u either go full way or 1

[agile ember]

I mean after m1

Ive gotten s2 m1 already

[livid delta]

Sure

[agile ember]

Or is it better to prioritise other units first?

[turbid badge]

i mean mudrock CANT be healed

[livid delta]

It increases stun + damage
Which means it improves her survivability

[turbid badge]

and the s2 heal

[livid delta]

Because it allows more buffer in between talent shield regen

[agile ember]

Is this a good order to progress then?
mudrock s2 max > saria s2 max > exu s3 max > surtr s3 m3

With surtr last (i already have s3 m2)

[turbid badge]

go with exu first

[livid delta]

Exu really wants masteries

I'd probably do Exu > Surtr > Mudrock > everything else maybe

Or even mudrock > surtr depending on your mats situation

[agile ember]

Kk. I should go for s3m3?

[livid delta]

Yeah

[agile ember]

Ok thnx

[coral haven]

Can someone remind me the mechanic of the artillery?
Highest block count. Is there something else?

Nope nvm that was literally it.

[turbid badge]

Yes

and if u have mutiple of same block count

it goes by last deployed

ex. i deploy hoshiguma after monster cannon will go to hoshi

[rustic turret]

I need help with 2-10

Because what the hell is this

[rustic turret]

Nevamind I beat it finally

[clear ermine]

Mudrock s2 or s3 first?

Oops wrong channel

[coral haven]

S3m3 s2m1.

[dreamy quail]

any strategy guide for the challenge mission with risk 11 in shangshu trials cc?

[soft crystal]

You dont need to do risk 11 unless(?) you just hate yourself?

[cyan gorge]

My strat was Rockrock and pray

+80 aspd go brrr

[dreamy quail]

rockrock and who else?

[cyan gorge]

This was my squad

[dreamy quail]

nice

I think I'd replace the snipers with casters

[molten swan]

This map can be 2 op max risk btw

Ling sail

[cyan gorge]

Cheeto + BP were the true carries

[dreamy quail]

I'm hoping my eyja lvl 90 S3M3 can clear some mobs along with ling

[dreamy quail]

sail?

[storm current]

Saileach

[molten swan]

Saileach

Jeanne de Arc-looking goofy ah vanguard

[dreamy quail]

might have to put more units to make up for no sail

[lethal dragon]

Oh sail can too
I saw saga ling duo

[soft crystal]

If saga can cover then elysium or myrtle can also work

[dreamy quail]

thinking s2 eyja better.. since can use 3 charges on stuff with aoe

[storm current]

Its not that good

Since her aspd is still slowed

And only the main target get 2 hits

[dreamy quail]

at least sp charges normally?

so each slow hit will be a big aoe one?

also lowers res to make other arts do more dmg

[storm current]

Uh

That would be unnessary

[dreamy quail]

I mean I would want to make a full Arts team, goldenglow with global hits too

[glass monolith]

Full arts sounds fun but... There is not that many good arts operators

[lethal dragon]

I doubt tbh cuz saga has her s2 and can kill early enemies easily and saileach has her s3 I think they made her work around it

But Elysium only got 60% slow

[cyan gorge]

Blue poison best arts

[lethal dragon]

What's her cost again

[cyan gorge]

Just don’t take sniper risk

[lethal dragon]

This cc doesn't care about risk tiers ngl

[proud drift]

wait

rockrock can stun herself for 40 seconds?

or 20 seconds?

[lethal dragon]

Sniper and defender cost tripled = tier 1 risk

[cyan gorge]

20

You can cancel it for reduced stun

[lethal dragon]

Also could lumen her

[cyan gorge]

Only if she takes damage

[lethal dragon]

No rockrock no quercus no hibiscus

[dreamy quail]

Eyja, ifrit, goldenglow, ling, 2 vanguard, and lancet?

[cyan gorge]

I need to test if Purestream S1 can reduce Rock2 stun

[lethal dragon]

Are you going for r8

[dreamy quail]

r11

[lethal dragon]

Why 11

[cyan gorge]

Either go for 8 or max

[dreamy quail]

for the 40 contract bounty tokens

[cyan gorge]

Anything else makes no sense

[lethal dragon]

You only need to do r8 and challenge risk can be done separately with support tag

[cyan gorge]

You don’t gain any more going above 8

[lethal dragon]

^

[dreamy quail]

but this exists

[lethal dragon]

Yeah you can do it separately

Or with other risks but that'll be annoying

[dreamy quail]

oh wait for that thingy does it only need me to use that 1 condition while others can be any

[lethal dragon]

They are just making this contract compulsory to do

[barren cloud]

hello. how to 7-18? i think i dont have enough dps to burst down patriot.

[dreamy quail]

borrow a dps?

[barren cloud]

use imgur to post roster right?

[lethal dragon]

Yep

[storm current]

Borrow kaltsit

Thats it

[dreamy quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF5XPYAS5wo

I'd let you borrow my silverash

[storm current]

SA would be inefficient cuz outdated guide

Fyi, patriot phase 1 has 2100 def and 90 res

Kaltsit can ignore all

[lethal dragon]

You could complete all the tasks in one go like this or

In two runs

[lethal dragon]

[dreamy quail]

thanks

[barren cloud]

i have a E2lv60 SA M3 but couldnt clear it

[storm current]

Well yes

Cuz SA is weak against patriot

You have more chance with using skadi over him lol

[lethal dragon]

What's SA's atk on skill again

[lethal dragon]

💪

[dreamy quail]

would a lvl 90 one work?

[lethal dragon]

No

[storm current]

Maxed SA has 2.2k atk

So

[lethal dragon]

100 dmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/888785522439389194.png

[storm current]

Wait no

2365 atk to be exact

[lethal dragon]

[barren cloud]

https://imgur.com/a/PVx16rD

[storm current]

Maxed skadi has 3.4k atk

Pretty nice

Wait you have mon3tr

Just deploy mon3tr next to where patriot stay still

And use s3

[lethal dragon]

Ok listen thorns can handle all the mobs by himself

[barren cloud]

i built amiya for this fight but couldnt clear it lmao

[lethal dragon]

Focus everything on patriot
You have lot of dps

[barren cloud]

hence why im here haha

[storm current]

https://youtu.be/o-GaJYIuICQ

Consider this exist

So

[glass monolith]

FUCKkkkk i forgot you can daily check IC to get 6k lmd for free from looking on cars

[lethal dragon]

What a loss!!!

[livid delta]

[dreamy quail]

thanks for reminding me

[turbid badge]

what a lose

[lethal dragon]

https://youtu.be/NYAprXw7FH4

You can add other units instead of timing mines

[dreamy quail]

why did they change 7-18 from when the old one you can clear with SA

[storm current]

SA is inefficient af

Long cooldown

15s long helidrop

Also low dmg

[lethal dragon]

265 dmg

[turbid badge]

lol

[dreamy quail]

retreat and redeploy is faster than waiting for cooldown

[storm current]

Redeploy cooldown is the cooldown

[lethal dragon]

Just use exu smh

[storm current]

Pozy can do it without buff team

So L

[barren cloud]

my thorns be leaking with this set up. prob because im not using mines to help him tho.

anyone got an E2lv90 Surtr?

[lethal dragon]

No u

[lethal dragon]

You can use bagpipe to help him

[barren cloud]

S2?

[lethal dragon]

Yeah

[barren cloud]

copy. brb after next attempt.

[dreamy quail]

use mon3tr to help him

[lethal dragon]

Use kal'tsit to help kill patriot

[storm current]

Wdym help

Kaltsit can kill patriot by herself

[dreamy quail]

I think need mastery for that

[storm current]

No mastery mean you just need more time

But not an actual issue if you use other units along side kaltsit

[barren cloud]

hhmm phase 2 Patriot one shotting everybody. mont3r couldnt get a hit in at phase2 patriot lmao

and the sudden rush wiped my NTR and Blaze

[lethal dragon]

Phase 2 is easily killable with surtr

No need to bother with anything

[civic crown]

I have to ask

what are you even doing

how is patriot killing anything with that roster?

[limpid siren]

rare helpful topple showing

oh wait

that's just not a thing

[civic crown]

no, unironically you gotta know what he's doing

to know why he's failing

[lethal dragon]

[civic crown]

brute force should be easy, so obviously they're missing something fundamental

[storm current]

Maybe the mines

[barren cloud]

BP and thorns near blue.

scattered monst3r ntr fartooth and amiya to burst patriot but when phase 2 comes he one shots the scattered dps and the rush wipes thorns and bp at blue

BP is bagpipe not blue poison sorry

[civic crown]

are you aware of how patriot spear targets?

this seems like an issue of targeting priority

[barren cloud]

closest? no. i dont know.

[lethal dragon]

Bruh you got me there

[civic crown]

no

[civic nest]

furthest

[storm current]

Farthest target

[civic crown]

his spear throw targets the furthest ranged op

exclusively ranged

so your core error is not protecting kal from the spear throw

because mon3tr can kill him in phase 2

and if it can't, bagpipe is there to finish the job

[storm current]

Use more mines btw

[civic crown]

or mines

mines are broken

[barren cloud]

should i just plop down ranged to take the spear hits?

[civic crown]

yes

[civic nest]

12F dodging real

[civic crown]

if it's not important for your strategy, it's fodder to stall for mon3tr killing patriot

[barren cloud]

the mines get triggered by the rush paradrops so might need to practice the timing

[civic crown]

bosses, especially event bosses and later chapters, have mechanics that defy base game logic, so you always need to look at what they do

mines are good, but your roster doesn't need them

you can just put them wherever to kill things, because between mon3tr and radiance, you should be killing him hard

[barren cloud]

copy. will come back when i clear it.

[civic crown]

especially with all the other powerful shit like mudrock, passenger, chalter, saileach, etc.

[barren cloud]

only bagpipe has a module

[civic crown]

that's fine

6* mods are bonkers op, but the only ones that are that overwhelmingly impactful are like

bag, ling, passenger

of what I saw on yours

and they're all still good without them

[barren cloud]

yeah passenger is next on the list for mods but im still grinding to get more E2s then M3s

[civic crown]

tbf, I wouldn't do that

your roster is stacked as hell

you don't need more e2s

what you need is to get what you do have to 40-60

[barren cloud]

Gladia and Lee?

[civic crown]

and mod some things

[barren cloud]

40-60?

[civic crown]

levels

[barren cloud]

aahh ok

[civic crown]

both strong, but unless you're doing high-end CC you'd rather just have mods and stats

on things like passenger and pozyomka

[barren cloud]

my current E2 lineup is enough for future bosses? thought might need Lee to slow down the bosses. couldnt clear the last event where we fight the bosses.

[civic crown]

your current lineup is incredibly strong

you have laneholders, hard carries, phys damage, arts damage, blockers, cc, healing, true damage

everything in spades and with spares

[barren cloud]

copy.

[turbid badge]

copy.

[barren cloud]

cleared it with a support lv90 surtr.

used ranged ling dragons as spear bait.

[storm current]

7-18 is overall not bad

But if you struggle that much then eh

Jt8-3 wont be easy

[barren cloud]

honestly i got stuck at 7-16 for about 4months cause i couldnt tank the mortars

then i e2'd fartooth to snipe

[storm current]

You can uh

Cheese with e1 rope

[somber falcon]

Just bait

[molten swan]

Just horn bro

[storm current]

You see those herald that buff everyone

If you kill them

Mortar wont do much dmg

[barren cloud]

anyways. ty for the help.

[soft crystal]

Lee very cool

I think hes underrated for how much he can cheese with his stun immunity

And ranged atk dodge

[cursive wedge]

dp down risk tag in cc

brings lee anyways

[signal granite]

Should be able to bring him as along as no dp down 3(-75%)

[latent monolith]

With module he's still doable in dp down 1 (gain of 0.75 dp/s vs loss of 0.66)

DP down 2 would be sustained by any vanguard

DP down 3 would require 2 vanguards, preferably one flag among them

I ran him with dp down 1 in both CC9 and 10

[turbid badge]

[sharp wadi]

If position right my eben better than aoe caster

[surreal star]

It was only for r18 but I ran him in dp down 2

[latent halo]

Excrist is alive

[turbid badge]

omgi

[proud drift]

Being better than aoe caster is not a hard thing

Especially since uh

Some of the strong core caster options

Are probably better at aoe

(Looking at you eyja and pink cat)

[tidal sedge]

How to R18 with this op?

[signal lichen]

well i would for sure take surtr kal silverash mudrock probably borrow a nearl alt for even more true damage and your gonna want either a yato or a frd more likely yato depending on risk

mudrock and surtr both can clear left side depending on mudrock timing u can actually mostly just solo left with her

[tidal sedge]

For right side?

[signal lichen]

oh right pozy herself can ignore dodge i almost forgot

that could help also then

but if u borrow nearl alt she can kinda handle manfred as well

[signal granite]

Only "direct front" can ignore

[signal lichen]

thats all u need depending on position tho

but it is good to note that because you can't use type writter for that

but u also just have kal sooooo

[foggy grove]

yeah just spawnkill manfred with kal

then surtr phase 2

[signal lichen]

yeah lol

[foggy grove]

unless you are taking manfred risk

[signal lichen]

some general things are i don't see lumen doing much on this map really

saria might be ok for holding but also seems questionable or can only hold/bait for a period of time depending on risk

[noble pewter]

For me I would go with these risks, then mudrock left n monster left vent at right n ur saria can right vent, ur pozy can above the right vent, skalter behind pozy, kalsit left of Blue bx, use skalter seaborn heal mudrock in tense situation, can bring silverash to s3 the hatedrinkers b4 manfred appear n sutr/spalter to stall manfred infront of each vent so pozy can down him phase 1, then m3ster down him in phase 2, rest slot for vg/emergency blockers/emergency cannon bait in case mudrock left dies

[signal lichen]

yeah your gonna need a frd/yato anyway not just for cannon bait but also to make sure mudrock can solo left and not get murdered by bind

well ig for 0 hp down she actually survives but it could be a lot more tight lol

[tidal sedge]

I'll keep a note thanks!

[little fractal]

Update, Ayerscarpe S2 + Skyfire Talent + Module is worth

[hollow temple]

lumen is pretty good here imo

with him you can use gavial on left side and he can also stall manfred for a bit

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah sure...

[neat skiff]

They're certainly living up to their username.

[little fractal]

Look I know what like and it works

Next I need to find use Heidi s2 to see if Anni and tank P1 Patriot

[sharp dock]

Some help with stratting

This is my r21 risk and squad

(But noir corne replaced by shining)

How to do with manfred risk

My main start for r22 rn is thorns on the tile diagonally left and up from the right side vent to holod at the start, put noir corne to trigger the artillery on hte 4 guys that spawn at the start, and hold left lane first wave with silverash and cantabile as bait then switch to mudrock solo, kill the 2 sword people with surtr and ntr on the vent tile, then use saria to bait the artillery to finish the off while stalling manfred

Then keep stalling manfred to farm some dp

But with manfred risk 1 i lose dp from stalling

[cursive sail]

I also notice that Ursus Raiders are experts in offensive to the blue square while Ursus Strikers are experts in killing Talulah in R8-11.

[random widget]

Hello everyone! I have a pretty weird question but

Do you guys know anybody who’s like a good strategist in this game?

[civic nest]

like guide maker?

[random widget]

Somewhat I guess? More like someone with experience who can clear most stages with ease

Just someone Smart in general

[civic nest]

should i ask why

[random widget]

Umm

Prefer not to answer

[civic nest]

ic

[random widget]

[solemn anvil]

kyostinv makes good low end guides on almost all stages

[civic nest]

like eckogen is pretty smart

[solemn anvil]

a youtuber

[civic nest]

i prefer eckogen

fight me

[random widget]

Yeah but he’s like a youtuber

Hard to approach I’m pretty sure

[civic nest]

eckogen sometimes talk in this server

[solemn anvil]

nah dont want to,i agree to both

[civic nest]

u can try to dm him

[scarlet fulcrum]

just go to their discord server

[random widget]

Ohh alright

[civic nest]

true 💀

[random widget]

Wait Feetus

Aren’t you pretty good at arknights

[civic nest]

no

[lethal kiln]

im once again in need of assistance

[civic nest]

[random widget]

Lies

I can sense your AK wisdom

[latent monolith]

I mean like most of the nicheknights players are great strategists (that's kinda why they play it)

[random widget]

It looks pretty fun to do

But it’s pretty difficult

Since I’m kinda like

A novice player

[civic nest]

like why do u need a good player

[lethal kiln]

s4-10. if possible id like not to borrow to unlock the auto feature

[random widget]

Umm it’s embarrassing

To answer lol

[civic nest]

just answer

we don’t really judge ppl here

sometimes

[random widget]

Personal Trainer~..

[civic nest]

a

[scarlet fulcrum]

If u have pinecone switch catapult with her, tho catapult enough for this, bring frd to bait bondage caster

[civic nest]

like u need someone to teach u the game?

[random widget]

No not that

[lethal kiln]

frd is who?

[civic nest]

gravel

[lethal kiln]

and im assuming pinecone is another aoe sniper?

[split lynx]

Fast redeploy

Aka gravel

[scarlet fulcrum]

Fast redeploy, like gravel or yato

[split lynx]

Pinecone is a spedsddhlltde dnipee

[lethal kiln]

yea, i know gravel is used to stop or bait just didnt kmow whay frd is

[split lynx]

Spreadshooter sniper

[lethal kiln]

what happened here

[split lynx]

Hand wet

[lethal kiln]

lol, clean your hands bru

[scarlet fulcrum]

frd=fast re-deploy

[lethal kiln]

yeah i was told thanks

[scarlet fulcrum]

👌

[solemn anvil]

if you need help on stages just ask around,we dont bite
sometimes

[civic nest]

true

[lethal kiln]

spreadshooter is another word for aoe yea

[civic nest]

unless ur name is codemuncher

[scarlet fulcrum]

Do u have shirayuki, u can e1 her if u dont have pinecone. She is better option than catapult and also good for base

But indeed catapult enough to cover aoe

For this stage

[lethal kiln]

i dont have pinecone lol. lemme see if i have this shirayuki

ah i do

[scarlet fulcrum]

[civic nest]

good

do u have the mats to e1 her

[lethal kiln]

i dont have enough money stuff atm

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just use catapult then, u eventually want e1 shirayuki later for base. But for now just use what u have

phys dmg prefered on this map for early squad

[lethal kiln]

oh so poze?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Shes phys so fine

catapult for aoe then just deploy other dps to help her

[civic nest]

scuff as hell

[lethal kiln]

ohkey

vg at the top?

i put popukar or whatever shes called there

[civic nest]

the bottom is where a lot of the enemy go to

[lethal kiln]

ohk brb

[civic nest]

have u come close to beating the stage

also don’t place catapult like me

very not good

[lethal kiln]

yes ive come close a lot of times

[civic nest]

ic

u leak at bottom right?

[lethal kiln]

also another prob i have is the fact my healers cost 17-19 dp each

and yea

i think the top also get leaked because of the the thing with the red magic

[hearty pagoda]

1. Use myrtle
2. Dp
3. Deploy

[civic nest]

that’s why ppl recommended u gravel

[lethal kiln]

don't have

[lethal kiln]

yea true

but they come out at the worst possible timing

[civic nest]

there’s only 2 of them

[scarlet fulcrum]

yeah top and bott left

[civic nest]

i thought it was 2 too

top

[lethal kiln]

ooo okay

[split lynx]

Aoe snipers (called artillerymen in game) and spreadshooters are different sub classes of sniper

[silver mirage]

Is there a difficulty spike in ch9 compared to 6?

[lethal kiln]

wait should i not place her at allv

[solemn anvil]

in what sense? the levels are restarted from lower end to mid e2

[civic nest]

she will attack the top lane and ignore the shit ton of enemy coming to bottom

[silver mirage]

It doesn't scale?

[split lynx]

First 6 levels or so are easy enough for a ch 3-ch 4 player to beat

[solemn anvil]

it scales from e1 30 - e2 25

unlike ch 6 where it starts of stronger

[lethal kiln]

also there is 3-4 of those things

[neat skiff]

Enemies have "flat stats". Basic sword guys in chapter 0 have the same stats as the same sword guy in chapter 8 or 11.

Where there are enemy stat changes are stages with modifications like challenge mode.

[silver mirage]

[neat skiff]

It's why there are so many variants of enemies.

Like in chapters 0-3 are caster enemies. All have the same stats.
In chapter 4 are "yeti caster" enemies which have more stats than the "caster" enemies.

[storm current]

me when

[neat skiff]

How chapters and events scale up in difficulty are starting out with generic low stat enemies, then as you progress through the missions you start getting custom enemies, after a while there are all custom enemies and you get a sizeable amount of strong enemies.

[lethal kiln]

@civic nest my top half is leaking now

[civic nest]

💀

now that’s funny

wat leak

[lethal kiln]

the wolves were the first thing to leak

[civic nest]

did your blocker get overwhelmed

[lethal kiln]

ye

[civic nest]

who did u use to block

[lethal kiln]

fang

[civic nest]

u can replace fang when u have enough dp u know

[lethal kiln]

ill replace her with cuora then

also i moved catapult next to the healers facing left

[civic nest]

that’s wat i was thinking

lemme redo the stage

[lethal kiln]

👌

[civic nest]

forgot to bait the final caster

😂

don’t be like me

[lethal kiln]

so good idea then

[civic nest]

yes

that catapult placement is correct

[lethal kiln]

kewl. be back shortly then

[sweet flower]

S4-10?

[civic nest]

bingo

was helping another dude

[sweet flower]

I just : ifrit go

wait low end

[civic nest]

yea 💀

im not going to use a full 6* squad to help a player

[sweet flower]

i use only ifrit

actually you can borrow ifrit

[civic nest]

he doesn’t want to borrow

that’s why i didn’t include any 6*

[sweet flower]

Lol

let me try

[silver mirage]

OK so I checked botspam but ch6 has 0 farming spot

||time to dragon it up||

[amber zephyr]

I am stuck

On m8-8

[civic nest]

2 aoe medic

don’t burst the boss

[amber zephyr]

I cant even

[civic nest]

💀

[amber zephyr]

Ignore the boss

[storm current]

eh

i was able to do it with just lumen warfarin 1

[amber zephyr]

The 6274627367364825 possesed soildiers

[civic nest]

are u dying to the enrage dude

[amber zephyr]

Ye

[storm current]

how do you have trouble

borrow horn then

[amber zephyr]

Okay

[lethal kiln]

I CANT DO IT

THERES TO MUCH GOING ON

[vernal lion]

@neat skiff do you know how Earthspirit s2 work,
I mean about the slow time and delay time? like "Slowed every 1.4 seconds", include the condition from all other slow time source like her talent and mod

[civic nest]

where did u leak now

[lethal kiln]

same spot

[civic nest]

well that’s sad

[lethal kiln]

ill just screen record rq

brb

[vernal lion]

E1 without talent and mod, s2sl7, 1.6 seconds

[neat skiff]

First and foremost Earthspirit S2 is still currently bugged on global. It is fixed on CN but I don't remember which patch includes the fix.

[vernal lion]

it's slow for 0.8 second

[neat skiff]

Currently it ignores her module and slows for 0.93 seconds every 1.4 seconds.

[vernal lion]

so doesn't mean that is 0.8 of slow and 0.8 of delay

so it's 1.6 for s2sl7

[neat skiff]

In a future fix her module will work on the slow.
T1 becomes 1.33 seconds of slow every 1.6 seconds.
T3 is 1.53 seconds of slow every 1.6 seconds.

With T2 module then you only need S2M2 for full slow uptime.

[vernal lion]

but if she's max out of talent and mod, she will do perma slow with her s2 right?

no delay?

[neat skiff]

S2M2 means no delay.

[vernal lion]

tks

[neat skiff]

Max module means 1.53 seconds of slow.
S2M2 applies 1.53 seconds of slow every 1.5 seconds.

S2M3 is 1.53 seconds of slow every 1.4 seconds.

[lethal kiln]

bruh the moment i record it, i clear it

[sly pivot]

okay nice 6 ops w male only

thorns s3 my beloved

[neat skiff]

But not in global at the moment. Still waiting for the fix.

[elder flume]

Record every stage then

[lethal kiln]

@civic nest cleared it

[civic nest]

congrats

[lethal kiln]

my phone didnt wanna record so i cant show it but im surprised. i didnt even realise i cleared it

[vernal lion]

Imma try it with Unending Emergency

may work thoo

[neat skiff]

It won't.

Unless you play on CN.

[vernal lion]

also, will the pull from puller pull back to them and disable the speedrun lancer dude?

like s1m3 gladiia

[neat skiff]

In a roundabout way. A puller will slow them down which lowers their initial on hit damage.

Lancers have a super low base movement speed. However they get a speed boost which is linear with an attack boost.

Speed them up, they do more damage, slow them down they do less damage.

[vernal lion]

or CC them before they land a hit to the blocker and they won't do dmg

but that is like 0.5 second of reaction

[neat skiff]

Yup. Part what makes Mr Nothing surprisingly effective at dealing with them.

[vernal lion]

ah yes

[neat skiff]

Or play in IS2 and get the “sarkaz deal no damage” buff thing.

[vernal lion]

[molten swan]

no

if they pull towards them and get blocked immediately, I haven't tested whether they do the damage calc'd upon the movement speed pre-pull or not

[scarlet ledge]

oofir dalao

[sweet flower]

guys how to clear anni 12

[vernal lion]

pull didn't reset the speed, because it's not CC effect, hmm

you're right

[neat skiff]

2 distinct "teams". A damage team and a cleanup team.

[sudden coral]

hey guys

[neat skiff]

12 is chapter 9 theme. Damage, damage and more damage.

[tidal sedge]

not all CC effects reset lancers, only stun and bind. Freeze and sleep don't reset. Think they might actually let lancers keep gaining speed while under effect

[sudden coral]

i have a question

[vernal lion]

yea, sleep didn't reset too

about freeze I didn't test it yet

[neat skiff]

Freeze is basically stun.

[tidal sedge]

freeze doesn't work like stun for the purposes of lancers tho

[sudden coral]

is schwarz better than fartooth

[neat skiff]

9/10 yes.

[sweet flower]

guys i need a squad to clear anni 12

[neat skiff]

What ops do you have?

[sweet flower]

wait

[solemn anvil]

12 is the mandra one?

[neat skiff]

Yes.

[solemn anvil]

i remember seeing blaze solo for that,borrow her and stack medic?

[sweet flower]

but i borrow then somehow the enemy still can go to blue box

actually i do it like a lot of times

[neat skiff]

Sort by level.

[solemn anvil]

but damn you spread out resources way too much

[sweet flower]

actually those behind all is lv1

[sweet flower]

bro i am trying to clear those anni to get grindstone

[sudden coral]

@neat skiff explain

[neat skiff]

I can see why you're struggling then.

[sweet flower]

update. ifrit now is e2 lv40

but i can't mastery

[neat skiff]

Schwarz is a straight up damage dealer. She is designed to shred enemy DEF and deal powerful hits.
Fartooth is designed to either deal strong hits to low DEF enemies a long way away or deal rapid fairly strong hits to low DEF enemies.

[solemn anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIRku_JelPo this is the one im talking about; solo blaze
i think 2 or 3 ST medics should be good
and use other ops + skalter to focus hoverboard guys

[sudden coral]

@neat skiff do i need mastery for schwarz or module

[neat skiff]

Schwarz wants at least S3M1 for the range extension.

[sweet flower]

actually i fail do this 7 times

[solemn anvil]

which part failed?blaze died or?

[sweet flower]

blaze not die but i lose because some reason

[storm current]

Uh

What did you die to

[solemn anvil]

and what reason then?

[sweet flower]

maybe my caster isn't strong enough to kill those phalanx guys

[storm current]

Fyi

Enemies in this anni have 70 res if not silenced

[molten swan]

skull

[lethal kiln]

@civic nest i cant auto it

[storm current]

You dont even need caster for the map tbh

[sweet flower]

ok so we need haze?

[storm current]

No

[sweet flower]

[neat skiff]

Haze is just a single target caster.

[storm current]

Were you borrowing blaze previously

[civic nest]

did u bring a support?

[storm current]

Im not sure how would you deal with mandragora if you are borrowing blaze

Why not thorns

[neat skiff]

Pillars.

[sweet flower]

uhhh i try but cant too

[solemn anvil]

mandra afk enough for blaze to work and for phase 2 just drop rocks on her

[sweet flower]

i need those blue materials

[lethal kiln]

no, whenever i auto it. its says ops failed smth smth

[sweet flower]

if can't i will go to farm anymore

[civic nest]

your auto is not stable

lol

[lethal kiln]

oh, what do i do

[neat skiff]

You will likely need to farm anyway since the overwhelming majority of your team is only E1.

[civic nest]

lag

[sweet flower]

farm to upgrade myrtle e2 i dumb

[civic nest]

too precise timing and rng from operator

[neat skiff]

Chapter 9 enemies are balanced around you having completed chapters 0-8 in the years the game has been active.

[sweet flower]

if now can't tell me what op should i upgrade to clear in the future

[sweet flower]

[storm current]

Pozy gavialt

[neat skiff]

Skalter E2L75 isn't helping all that much either.

[lethal kiln]

you can be so precise the game becomes bad

[civic nest]

when you lag

yes

[sweet flower]

please don't say this , i am very dumb

at this

nevermind

that's my dumb

[storm current]

Oh wait

Do you not have honeyberry

[sweet flower]

i have but only pot 2

[lethal kiln]

how do i not be precise then?

[storm current]

Pot doesnt mattee

E1 honeyberry help so much for the map

[sweet flower]

i though lumen at the same

[civic nest]

why not go farm s5-2

[storm current]

lumen is different archetype

[sweet flower]

nevermind i will go to try to build here.

time to suffer

[lethal kiln]

whats at s5-2?

[civic nest]

same mats youre farming rn

[lethal kiln]

oh really

well lemme check it out rq

[storm current]

i wonder if typewriter can 1 cycle mandrake

[lethal kiln]

gotta clear s5-1 first

[civic nest]

lol

[solemn anvil]

would e1 pozy/sesa on s2 works for top part on anni 12?

[civic nest]

oh wait

wat

[lethal kiln]

what?

[storm current]

nvm not enough

[civic nest]

no i just check

[lethal kiln]

ye

[civic nest]

lemme look at smth rq

[lethal kiln]

oke

[civic nest]

its s5-7

not 2

im blind

[lethal kiln]

oh that one

yeah thats a pain

[sweet flower]

actually i don't know how i can get those

[lethal kiln]

dont like that stage

[civic nest]

well

u can go do 4-10 again

like u can go clear it again

[sweet flower]

maybe I don't use them some times and just exchange a lot in the shop event

[lethal kiln]

yeah

[storm current]

uh

you can farm gel in previous event

[lethal kiln]

is it two or 1 to make the upgraded gel?

[sweet flower]

auto play but takeover before the auto failed

[lethal kiln]

i was tbinkinthis

[neat skiff]

So, if you go to #bot-spam and type in /material that will show you which stage is the best for farming each resource.

[lethal kiln]

thinking

[civic nest]

that work

[lethal kiln]

since the problem is that cuora dies for some reason.

[sweet flower]

well if you upgrade op into higher level that can break auto play tho

[lethal kiln]

even though i made my healer use her ability

[solemn anvil]

btw this is what i've conjured for now,just need dps beside skalter facing up @sweet flower
e2 ifrit should be enough to kill all hoverboards no?

[lethal kiln]

havent leveled characters

[sweet flower]

so what skill i need to use

[solemn anvil]

s2: ifrit,skalter,sussuro, (maybe pozy and sesa for dps)

[sweet flower]

actually i am dumb at this

oh god i don't build sussuro

any other idea

if not i will go to suffer again

[solemn anvil]

if you want to use honeyberry use her for bot facing up
any ST medic, my bad i thought i saw sussuro in your pic

[sweet flower]

well i have but no enough exp packs

my lmd always horrible

[solemn anvil]

need 2 ST medic anyway,silence is nice for burst healing when bromance knight arrived at blaze

[sweet flower]

what op is st medic , i am dumb at this

does myrrh included?

[solemn anvil]

from the ones you have: silence and lumen is nice
other than that, gavial/hibiscus/myrhh
im not familiar with lumen s1 and s2 so idk which is better

[storm current]

s1

[sweet flower]

so do i need cliffheart

[scarlet ledge]

for?

[sweet flower]

the flying enemy

[storm current]

you can do e1 sl6

[neat skiff]

Cliffheart is used for her stun.

[storm current]

or well im not sure how would you time that

[solemn anvil]

if ifrit e2 s2 somehow cant kill hoverboard then yes?

[sweet flower]

Oh ok

actually sl5 ok?

[storm current]

eh

[solemn anvil]

for s2,it doesnt matter
just need to stun the hoverboards once and they commit sudoku into the holes

[storm current]

ifrit should be enough for the non red version

also it kinda matter

cuz sp cycle

but you only need to use s2 for the red ver

normal ver should die to ifrit

[solemn anvil]

s2 lv7 is -2 sp from lv5
maybe it matters? have to see it

[sweet flower]

actually should i change something

[solemn anvil]

im concerned if you have enough damage to kill topside bromance knight the bottom bromance are less tanky so blaze can deal with them in time i think

[vernal lion]

break this one too if you don't want Ifrit becomes flat pan

[sweet flower]

eh wait i forgor bring gravel

[solemn anvil]

just place saileach there to destroy that while generating dp can maybe sub out cardigan for gravel

[sweet flower]

should i change something

[storm current]

would do pinecone s1 prob

[solemn anvil]

best of luck,make sure to prime those 3 pillars before mandra came out so no panic mode

[sweet flower]

ok thanks

[solemn anvil]

and blaze first before knocking ifrit pillar

[lethal kiln]

i fixed the auto deploy

[viral meteor]

whats the minimum requirement to beat stage 9?

the mats for chalter on 9-12, and now im only on stage 4

[cursive wedge]

u don’t need to farm chapter 9 for chalter

early chapters have the mats

[vernal lion]

later chapters are not necessary for farming, it's harder and spends more sanity while the drop rate isn't worthy much

you want 24 sanity for 50% chance, or 21 sanity for 47% chance, it's up to you

[viral meteor]

ok so i just need to farm the small mats and make it at workshop?

[vernal lion]

recruit op and exchange mat from shop, much better than spending ~20 sanity for a single mat

[latent monolith]

What stages do you have open?

Oh you want alloy

[viral meteor]

i can exchange from this then?

[latent monolith]

Ye you can exchange there

S3-9 S3-6 is a decent stage for alloy I think

[viral meteor]

nah, i think im just gonna exchange the mats, and use my sanity to push the stage

cause rn im still on stage 4-7

[latent monolith]

I don't think 9-12 is a good farming stage

For the T4 mats you don't farm them directly

seems like S3-6 is good for you

[viral meteor]

issokay, im already exchange the mats from shop

[cerulean drum]

Right here, the snipers drop down and kill the escapees, how do I fix?

[solemn anvil]

you can replace shining with bagpipe, saria should be enough heals with s1/s2

[proud drift]

Wtf skalter s3 makes ch10 +block shits so simple

[vernal lion]

Skalter s3 + Liskarm

[proud drift]

Liskarmn’t

Does liskarm need E2?

[vernal lion]

yea but it's worthy, get hit - get sp

cc2 mvp

[proud drift]

it's just that I dunno if I wanna invest into her

rn my investment is going towards mountain and after that towards phantom

idk if I wanna put liskarm above either

[vernal lion]

because we like to invest meta for strong squad

[proud drift]

well

I'm getting skill issued at H9-6

so strong squad help me compensate for my lack of skill

[signal lichen]

liskarm feels like for niche clears or at lest more niche then mountain or phantom and an extra 20% pp if you somehow don't already have 2-3 of those

[thin nova]

Liskarm is not exactly high priority imho aswell

Good tank but like

More on supporting ur other units

If u jeed someone to tank hits take hoshimumma

If u need tank to sololane take mudmud

If ur on SP copium and the stage doesnt have hardhitters liskarm

Thats basically my take on it

In a world where 9/10 meta guards have damage+selfsustain a character like liskarm shouldnt be prio, as the onky thing that sets her apart is sp on block

Can use warfarin instead, tho she only does so if enemy dies within her range and its to a random ally within range

Warf can also just gib you atk boost and doesnt really depend on E2 to yknow work

Tho that be my view on it

[modern plover]

Why even need to say so much lmao
Tldr dps nowadays deal so much dmg it doesnt even matter to set up batter like in cc2

The end

[thin nova]

I like to be thorough

[proud drift]

well

you can tell I neglected my defenders

but

what I probably really need to level is a pioneer vanguard

cuz my only e2 vanguard is a myrtle

but then again I don't have good vanguard options for pioneers

from 6* only siege

[latent monolith]

It's better than a courier at least

Siege is nice

[proud drift]

yea but like

I don't really wanna invest into siege when there's saga and flametail

but I might have no other option

I really just wanna have a saga

so I can never have any vanguard issues at all

and maybe even not borrow a bagpipe anymore

cause right now 90% of my borrows are a pot6 bagpipe

just so I can have comfy starts

only times I borrow smth else is when I specifically need that one unit

[latent monolith]

I diagnose you with unbuilt issue

[sullen pulsar]

do you have texas?

[main solstice]

if you dont want to use bag you can use canta s1

[sullen pulsar]

i find texas and myrtle carrying my 6* vanguardless ass

[proud drift]

I'm gonna say something weird but

I don't like using canta

[main solstice]

also for most of the game you dont even need vg

[proud drift]

the times I tried to use canta it just wasn't enough

bagpipe both makes me generate dp faster AND shitmurders a lane for the duration of s3m3

[main solstice]

for normal content canta s1 can kill almost all early enemies

[sullen pulsar]

i though canta is crazy dp gen]

[proud drift]

well, I tried to use her in places where enemies had a lot of def even early I guess

so that was my issue

for example when dublin shieldbros come out in waves of 2

bagpipe carried me thru most of dublin

only stuck in h9-6 now, but I get skill issued by the wave that comes with mandra's phase 2

I borrow chalter and I probably do need to use a scene or sth

and after that deal with mandra somehow

I focused too much on getting mandragora to phase 2

when I can just stall her phase1 and re-setup everything

biggest issue being me using surtr to pop her phase 2 faster

instead of saving surtr for the phase 2 wave

and/or funny evoker

[main solstice]

it has been a long time since i did h9-6

[proud drift]

I got so frustrated I looked up kyostin's low end guide

"low end"

max silverash and chalter

I can borrow only one

and silverash usage is kinda specific

I CAN compensate for it with fiammetta for the hoverdudes

and surtr for early bottom rush

Surtr actually catches JUST enough

she literally dies as she kills the last guy

[sullen pulsar]

you dont have sa

in the end kyo is the 7* operator i guess

[main solstice]

look for a better clear than the kyo one

[proud drift]

I might need to slot in scene somehow so I can reveal the enemies for chalter

cause in his clear silverash reveals the dudes before they walk into melee of anyone

and silverash also kills the 3 dudes at the same time coming out on left lane on mandragora's phase 2

right now I had something like this

Archetto goldenglow chalter Ptilo Blemishine Fiammetta

when mandragora walks out and I clear most of the waves that comes with her

today I had a thought of removing fia

after that wave

and putting kaltsit

to heal blemi

I believe ptilo S2 + blemi module can tank through a laser

I undeploy archetto after the big wave of hovers as well

I have pozemka ready too to burst boss, before I used her to nuke her phase 1, but I won't do it this time and save her for phase 2 + wave instead

actually I wonder how much def do the hoverbros have

maybe I should use archetto S2 instead of S3

450

only times it gets scary for me right now is when the hoverbros come in

and that actually makes me wanna consider bringing skyfire for them

just to ground them

[vernal lion]

those placements won't work much for later

[proud drift]

it works all the way until mandra phase 2

if I stall long enough for surtr to come back up

I think I can deal with left side spawns no problem

only thing that would leave me problem with is right side spawns

which is why I unironically put scene in my team

just to deploy her anywhere and use her drones to reveal the dudes so chalter can kill them

like this is my team right now

and everyone has a role to play

I actually should take blemi S2 I think instead of S1

she won't really get to proc S1 through laser

pot6 chalter

removing texas makes me wonder tho if I'll have enough dp for early start

cause I swapped texas out for scene

[vernal lion]

wait I found 1p H9-6

[proud drift]

1op?

ain't no way

how do you 1op that shit

you can't ling it

ling doesn't generate or kill fast enough

[vernal lion]

1p play tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZQ4VLN3xcU&ab_channel=S.W.E.E.PDetachment

[proud drift]

oh does 1p mean smth else

ok but wtf are those ops

[vernal lion]

1p relay is you deploy 1 op on map only each time

[proud drift]

I don't hve half of them

and other half isn't leveled

I actually don't have more than half

everything is pot6 too

[frigid kite]

Why Chalter all down there?

[proud drift]

oh right the flamethrowers that come out when mandragora spawns actually cause me some issues too iirc

[proud drift]

chokepoint there

all enemies go there

[frigid kite]

And where do you lose?

[proud drift]

I haven't tried it today I'll check

it's usually either at mandra's phase 2 or during flamethrowers

I'll try a different idea for both now

[frigid kite]

I see

[proud drift]

so it might work out normally

I also didn't do one important thing

I didn't utilize that pillar

I didn't know she stops there

[frigid kite]

My strat was, if you want to try something similar, stall Mandrágora next to the right Pilar, the place on where she stands on

[proud drift]

or rather

I didn't notice she stopts there

[frigid kite]

Yeah over there