strategy

[storm current]

a heavy blocker like mudrock on bottom

for top a saria will work

also is it specialist A or B

[west sedge]

wdym by this

[storm current]

after you clear floor 8 once

you unlock B variant of tactical gear

i assume you hvent so A

[west sedge]

oh right, no it's on A

yep

first clearing basically

[storm current]

basically

[west sedge]

do you assume I should quit and restart the whole process with a better borrow?

[storm current]

top are weakling

no GG is good enough

[west sedge]

I see

[storm current]

top are weakling and you can use saria for slow/rotation

bottom will be stronger enemeis

including dueling crocks

theres a convinient GG spot for her

[gray stone]

bottom requires minimal attention tbh

the middle bottom is troublesome

[storm current]

basically boss has high def low res

you can do mostima GG rotation somehow lol

honestly

if you manage to do floor 7

you will be fine for floor 8

[gray stone]

Generally the bosses will do a loop when you killed everyone and a 3 Sniper 2 Caster GG will finish the job easily

[west sedge]

okay I get your point, lemme try a few times more

[storm current]

boss give you a lot of time to kill him

[west sedge]

true

okay, thanks guys

this was the closest I got yesterday 💀

[storm current]

mudrock in this spot with 4 vg

[west sedge]

yep

[storm current]

will break through the rock stun

ye

[west sedge]

she f ing died lmao

[proud drift]

4vg… idk

4vg = croc walks up, slaps and she dies, no?

[lethal dragon]

4 VG equal instant skill

[proud drift]

2vg 3def = never death

[west sedge]

mud there, on top of her saria and infront blemi

[lethal dragon]

Actually my experience is biased tbh because I have skalter

[west sedge]

like I can leak 2 crocs

[proud drift]

I had gnose so all I needed was mudmud to survive

Gnose gg irene basically killed everything for me

No gnose in toron tho is painful

[west sedge]

interesting combo

[storm current]

if you have a decel binder or gnosis on the bottom corner

they will help mudrock a lot

[west sedge]

I do have suzu, so she kinda helps

I'mma try again, will let u know the result

[vernal lion]

aight this worked

[molten swan]

nice horn

[proud drift]

Wait

No cars?

[storm current]

horn is there to spawn kill casters

[toxic bridge]

is ashlock any good as a defender?

since i dont have horn

[west sedge]

yep enough arknights for today

[surreal relic]

Ashlock is fine, but you'll want to S2M3 if you plan to use her regularly.
Keep in mind she's also the only one in her archetype that doesn't block while the skill is active during S2.

[gray stone]

The archetype with 3 people in it

[covert shard]

Hi, just started 3 days ago.
Pretty much using first 6 heroes, are they good?
I guess I need to upgrade more types to face different stages that require q specific setup or lineup, but for the beginning are they a good go for all comp?
Out of those I have, which are worth leveling up?
Also, do u level one by one up to a certain lvl, all at the same time to the same lvl or just pick few units and focus on them?

Thanks in advance!

[toxic bridge]

so S1 aint good?

[surreal relic]

Probably should've said the only defender that doesn't block while skill is active instead lol

[storm current]

for now

[toxic bridge]

i see

[storm current]

use silence ptilopsis fang zima spot/gummy liskarm nge lava and kroos

[toxic bridge]

well but S1 may be good if i want to use her for actually defending right?

[surreal relic]

No, you'll want to use S2 if you're using Ashlock. If you want a blocker, use someone else.

[toxic bridge]

ok sorry and thanks

[wary wing]

atk buff
actually defending

[storm current]

@covert shard for the most part you team has the set up of 2 sniper, 2 vanguard, 2 medics and 2 defender
the rest are filler and niche ops for stage specific

[covert shard]

Oh ok, I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

[storm current]

standard set up is like this

you can see the class icon on the top left

these are the notable ones but you have better so use them

your set up may look somehing like this

[toxic bridge]

liskarm's a good standard defender right?

[storm current]

yes

[toxic bridge]

good

now im in doubt who to take besides platinum as my sniper for most missions

i would take Keen but she's 15 DP

[uncut knoll]

on IC EX 7, the cars still get past my Saria (E1 lv70)? but she has 3 block right??

[storm current]

first

e1 vermeil for base

you can get away with kroos + another AA sniper for the majority of the stages

both kroos

plat is fine

[toxic bridge]

fair enough

[proud drift]

he was forced to use Sesa

[storm current]

you can get pot6 keen a bit later

IW rerun sooner or later

@uncut knoll cars take 3 block

[toxic bridge]

oh no, i just liked his concept

[storm current]

if your saria is currently blocking someone

[toxic bridge]

only when i E1'd him i realised my mistake

[storm current]

she cant block car

[proud drift]

get meteorite somehow if you want same archetype but not 6*

meteorite is cool

[toxic bridge]

im trying

i was thinking maybe Kroos 5* and May

[uncut knoll]

i understood it as "as long as ur op has 3 block they can stop the car"

so its more like "the car counts as 3 enemies"

[proud drift]

that generally also implies it takes up 3 blocks of the operator

[storm current]

yes

it take up 3 block

[elder flume]

math operations

[toxic bridge]

hmm may or meteor

cuz may can slow but meteor reduces defence

[storm current]

may

[toxic bridge]

got it

hoshi or cuora?

which is the better meat shield

[storm current]

hoshi is tankier

cuora is just cheap

[toxic bridge]

hmm

do i want cheaper for quick

or expensive for more tanki

I WROTE CUORA WITH Q AGAIN FUCK

[storm current]

do you have mudrock

or planning to get mudrock

[toxic bridge]

i wish i could

but no mudrock

my only 6* is Hoshi

[storm current]

you can decide for hoshi when mudrock shop then

since a beefy tank is nice for chapter 10/11

[toxic bridge]

im on 3-7

[storm current]

you can settle with e1 cuora then

[toxic bridge]

ok then

also....for a splash caster if need be....lava or gintano?

[storm current]

lava

[toxic bridge]

ok got it

so this for a normal setup good?

[storm current]

kick amiya out for steward

[toxic bridge]

really?

[storm current]

steward is better for early

[toxic bridge]

i see

[storm current]

since amiya strength is locked behind potential and e2

she suck early

[toxic bridge]

what about haze tho?

[storm current]

also for base slave

[toxic bridge]

could haze replace her?

[storm current]

haze is technically better but not better enough to justify using

do you have click

[toxic bridge]

i do

[storm current]

your medic set up should be 1 ST which is silence and 1 AOE, which should be perfumer

click is good

[toxic bridge]

ok

how bout now?

only ones i dont wanna replace is blacknight and lisk

i love em too much

[storm current]

The last slot is stage dependent

When in doubt

Add a blocker

For this i may add another vanguard

Like vigna fang myrtle

[toxic bridge]

ok ok

[storm current]

You can replace cuora for a healing defender (guardian) too

[toxic bridge]

i do have gummy and hung

[storm current]

They are not as tanky but due to healing

They can last longer without a medic

[toxic bridge]

i see

i think gummy is better

[scarlet ledge]

gummy good

love gummy

[toxic bridge]

yeh

i wish i could just

put other ops on top of the ones i want to be replaced and the bottom one would be retreated

[plain ginkgo]

if you got problems switching blockers you can click your ops, then pause and retreat them, and finally click your next operator, resume and deploy it.

[toxic bridge]

i see

[plain ginkgo]

aka the slowmo-trick

[toxic bridge]

if i get another 5* recruit permit

im so getting meteorite

[wind silo]

my phone died and I have no data until probably tomorrow

[wind silo]

Okay so

I tried

That strat

While I'm still at school wifi

this is some serious red shit

The timing

My orchid which kept dying for some reason

Idk man

My amiya died when I tried putting her in first boss cycle

Which is right when she's available for deploy

Should I just not put her when that happens

Or like

what should I do

[terse crag]

is it just me or are these 4 blocked tiles useless to begin with

[wind silo]

Now my Ansel died

[proud drift]

If surfers aren’t blocked they take 75% reduced damage

[terse crag]

is it beneficial to block them there though? I've just let them walk into my blockers every time they've appeared so far

near the centre is free food for the ranged casters

[proud drift]

If you do a carless strat I guess it’s whatever

They’re there to prevent people from doing car strats

[terse crag]

yeah that's fair... I'm only using the cars for the left side either way

[proud drift]

It’s quite easy to deal with anyways tho cause they’re only weight 3

But cars going down middle is very useful

[terse crag]

? am I supposed to be pushing them?

[proud drift]

Cause hg keeps making basic casters the most annoying enemies in the event

[terse crag]

I swear dude

[proud drift]

If you push them with sth like shaw s2 sl7 you can block them on the tile they get pushed to

[terse crag]

hmm yeah

for now I'm just letting them exist till the end

[proud drift]

So shaw+surtr topside allows you to basically use cars

[somber falcon]

you're better off bringing an arts dealer than two ops to shift + block them

[terse crag]

I have a deep feeling I'm struggling because I'm not using obvious strategies now lmao

anxiety ahoy

I'm using horn to kill the casters as of now

[proud drift]

Idk if it’s that obvious since I only found out about it thru other ppl mentioning it here

I guess my lack of experience comes in with moments like that

[terse crag]

don't worry, I'm getting my rear handed to me with a team full of 6s

there's always a dumber person, and I'm said person :D

[wind silo]

@civic nest

[terse crag]

unrelated, but people keep sending me reqs with my list full. I don't get how that's even possible lol
this is offtopic

[surreal relic]

Gives you a chance to kick out someone useless for a new friend lol

[wind silo]

This is technically not off topic because that guy accepting my request is beneficial for me to try and see wth is wrong with my clear

Your comment is off topic however

[civic nest]

wait

[wind silo]

Also my battery is on deathbed

Soo

2%

If you could make easier guide

Pls ping me

I'll check later

[civic nest]

yea

accept

[wind silo]

Done

1%

[civic nest]

lol

[wind silo]

Sayonara

[civic nest]

are u borrowing free ops i forgor

[gleaming lodge]

hum

for the ones who wanted to test Blem S2 with me the other day

[vernal lion]

left side do car strat with vanguard,
right side do normal as you play, range dmg dealer, tanker and healer

[gleaming lodge]

the idea is to have her block someone tanky (like a shieldguard) between Blem and another melee ops, press Blem S2 and do two things :
-count how many frames before it gets blocked again (walking animation duration)
-take note of block switches (initially, the shieldguard is on Blem, on many times does it switches ?)

[vernal lion]

it's good to have Ceobe in this stage to kill those big car

[civic nest]

[gleaming lodge]

anyone is free to send me their stats btw
as well as a short clip of how you did it, that would be cool

[civic nest]

do u have recommendation of any stage to try this

[gleaming lodge]

7-16 or GT-HX-3, I guess ?

[civic nest]

ic

[toxic bridge]

is breeze any good?

[civic nest]

meh

[gleaming lodge]

not quite

[toxic bridge]

perfumer better?

[civic nest]

cheaper to raise and work as well

[toxic bridge]

fair

[vernal lion]

basically, your best aoe medic

[timber urchin]

Heya peeps for those who have passed SSS mines

I am currently using GG and Suzuran 5x sniperA combo

But are there any setups for guardknights SSS?

[molten swan]

irene 5 vg has proven me to be the most consistent

[timber urchin]

There are times when we need to hold 2 lanes, like in Toron mine stage 5

What to do then

[proud drift]

in most of toron i just put her in a way she hits both lanes

mudrock stops one lane

and irene goes pew pew from another lane

[fierce ore]

What team would you recommend for toron mine? https://imgur.com/a/wYoudSx

[plain ginkgo]

For Toron Mine, you can add Mudrock, use bind strat (Indigo+Ethan)

[timber urchin]

Well i dont have mudrock, i use Gavter as lanehold but she dies because i equipped s1

I noticed gavter s2 backed with healing defender on her back would be better

[molten swan]

irene range can make her hit those two lanes at once

[terse crag]

I was referring to my comment
before someone could point me out for being offtopic so I did it myself

[formal ivy]

Hey, so I bought the Elite 2 pack a while ago and don't know who to use it on at this point. Any suggestions?

[plain ginkgo]

Maybe Cantabile, but there is a little waste of resources as it seems that you E1 everyone

[cedar hound]

Canta/mul/pluma/warf/ely
If you e2 one of them, also do mastery
Else there's no point

[weak gazelle]

so it doesnt need car at all

[sharp wadi]

Ebenholz mostima and surtr backup

[weak gazelle]

cm make enemy car invisible
tank and spank method again

[astral oyster]

/reroll

[sharp wadi]

Or SA opened up then let eben do his job

[astral oyster]

/tag

[tidal sedge]

tag is a required argument.

[astral oyster]

/tags

[tidal sedge]

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[proud drift]

kinda uh

wrong chat for that

[formal ivy]

I have a few I haven't E1'ed yet. Hold on

[toxic bridge]

thanks for your tips fellas, finally got 3-8 down

[plain ginkgo]

just saying, it's a tiny waste, I don't know what you need but Cantabile is a good choice or even Warfarin if you lack ATK Buffer.
Shamare/Specter good too, note that if you E2 one of them, focus to M3 their skill

[sharp wadi]

Well for 5*
Lappland, specter, warfarin, platinum, Elysium,shamare,la pluma,ptilopsis
For my personal if your got everything skyfire and leonhardt are quite reasonable to pick for good play

[formal ivy]

I probably should E2 Warf, yeah. She's in my main squad

Alright, Warf it is then!

[sharp wadi]

Ah e2 silence e2 reed and flamebringer lap doesn't count
Just pick as you need also e2 5* doesn't hurt much

[robust hemlock]

this pack makes e2 90 or just e2 1?

[formal ivy]

E2 lvl1

[robust hemlock]

meh....

useless

[lethal dragon]

Yeah it's not really worth

[robust hemlock]

5* not too expensive for lvlup

[lethal dragon]

If it was a 6* then

[surreal star]

Cny got an e2 —> lvl 90 ticket for 6*

[robust hemlock]

anyway

hope on cc it gives some lmd for e2 her

[surreal star]

You can only use it on ops that are already e2 iirc

[lethal dragon]

Yeah

E2 level 1 to 90

[robust hemlock]

i maybe take it if i got kazemaru....but....i dont get her

and idk when she should be

[surreal star]

Not sure if the ticket expires but proviso maybe? Since she’ll be e0 and her e2 is good in base iirc

Not sure if it’s worth over getting a gameplay-related e2 though

[sonic willow]

Chetto fia dirst

[formal ivy]

Will work on them soon as sniper chips come back around.

[rapid oracle]

How bad is the 4th stage

IC S-4

[surreal relic]

If you were able to spawn camp the drone in EX-8, S-4 should be easy as well

[robust hemlock]

until u try cm....

[latent monolith]

You can definitely spawn camp S4 CM too, I did it with M2 pozy M1 suzuran SL7 shamare and warf

[surreal relic]

S-4 CM is just Minimalist getting frozen by cars earlier lol

[analog kiln]

S4 is a letdown tbh

after S3 youd expect another tough stage but nope its just a gimmick stage

[latent monolith]

Gimmick is that you can cheese it with cars

[analog kiln]

I guess its similar to what happened in SN, where S4 was really hard and then S5 was ???

[latent monolith]

Nice relaxing experience to end the event

[solemn anvil]

hardest SN stage for me is SN 8 because idk what the boss does and no space to properly damage him

[lapis hornet]

I just threw random stuff in his way

they kept dying until he died

didn't even realize it t was a boss I was thinking wow elites are tough this event

[analog kiln]

same

that would be a fun elite tbh

[opal kiln]

yea sn-s-5 was so bad

[toxic bridge]

whos a better vanguard to acompany my texas? courier or scavenger?

[surreal star]

Courier

[toxic bridge]

oke got it

[formal ivy]

Having some trouble with IC-EX-6. Any suggestions? This is my team.

[toxic bridge]

does the 5* kroos 2nd skill 40 hits is it to one enemy or to multiple?

[solemn anvil]

use myrtle s1
spam cars
thats the basis of this stage and event as a whole

[north ravine]

7 star operator

[solemn anvil]

car mod recommended: +SP/infinite/-50% cdr/freeze

[formal ivy]

I haven't really used cars all that much this event. Didn't feel like I needed them with all the characters I have.

[solemn anvil]

yes its not needed,but its a VERY GOOD convenience
try it,trust

[vernal lion]

isn't that stage which car can solo

0 op, just car

[north ravine]

Need extra dp I think

[turbid badge]

Yea

Nah u dont

[north ravine]

Bro ask in #help

[toxic bridge]

oh....my bad then

tought it was considered strategy cuz i dont know which skill to use

[north ravine]

Strategy is where you get help to clear a hard stage help is for In game questions

[toxic bridge]

well i pretty much build all my team comps by asking here and sometimes ask which ops would be better over others in a strattegy sense

[vernal lion]

yeah this one
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tU4y1k7nk

0 op, car only, CM

[north ravine]

Events just too easy

[vernal lion]

it's gimmick, like LE

[formal ivy]

This is the build I have rn

[north ravine]

Yea

[solemn anvil]

do you have any chiller? roof part

[formal ivy]

Don't have those modules.

[vernal lion]

chiller and drill are pretty useful

[formal ivy]

Got the 5 second one.

[solemn anvil]

use that

and if you have this one too its even better,but it makes you unable to naturally gain DP (use myrtle s1)
use it over the current yellow you use

[vernal lion]

you can use auto with -1dp -50% mspd, it's lower efficiency a bit but still got a good sync

[scarlet mortar]

you don't btw, even for the 10-tile mission

[north ravine]

Yea I figured

[west sedge]

finally done, it was a tough run, thanks for the help

[lethal dragon]

[royal rose]

Should I optimize my IC-9 clear for speed or trustfarming?

I’ve got a decent 3 man clear with Poz + Dimas + Suzu

[gleaming lodge]

unless you want to be faster, no, we don't care
3 ops is good enough already

[quasi briar]

Having trouble with cm ex 8

what should I do here? my main strat is just to double buff chalter and try to kill drone on spawn

[royal rose]

I can probably do 2 ops though. Can any Arts operator burst down the drone quickly enough?

[quasi briar]

feels like there's not enough DP to get everyone out on the field on time

[royal rose]

Switch Siege for a borrowed Saileach?

DP go brrr and everything?

Alternatively, SP carts might be the way to go

By the way, do you have Suzuran?

I think she does more against the drone than more buffs

I think bring Poz or Schwarz to attack the drone might also help

[frigid kite]

Still having problems?

[turbid badge]

oh wow

aurora self regen actually nice

makes her live red mist

💀

[lethal dragon]

Must be nice having polar bear

[graceful bear]

S3M3 Mod 2 Pozy + Meteor can kill the drone on Spawn

[vernal lion]

Car showcase

[graceful bear]

holy shit a E2 Minimalist

[vernal lion]

40% base

[solid halo]

hello , can someone give me a guide for lingering shangshu trails? i have podenco but she is not leveled and im worried i wont clear the first time

[signal flicker]

how do I defeat the cube?

[solid halo]

borrowed chalter is enough

[frigid kite]

Don't be worried about losing lol

You can close the game and thst won't consume your sanity

What's your team

[solid halo]

yeah but like 30minutes is a long time

[lethal dragon]

What do you have

Buy Ethan

[solid halo]

i watched the guides bumass ofc i have ethan

[lethal dragon]

And hmm that chiave gang sharpshooter

[solid halo]

surtyr gavial a few defenders nearl pudding myrtle

[lethal dragon]

Aosta

[solid halo]

hell no no ones gonna use that

[lethal dragon]

Aosta has DoT

Like Ethan

So you use his E1

[solid halo]

do i have to e1 him

[lethal dragon]

Yeah

Having ling makes this anni so easy

[solid halo]

keyword having

i dont

[lethal dragon]

Do you have ifrit thorns blaze

[solid halo]

no

i can borrow fiametta

or any other operator

[frigid kite]

A pic of your operators would be nice

[lethal dragon]

image banned

[frigid kite]

Ah

Lol

[lethal dragon]

Time to make krooster ig

[solid halo]

what is krooster

[lucid pebble]

how good is kaltsit at killing patriot in 7-18?

[full finch]

needs 2 cycles, but it's doable

[toxic bridge]

fellas, who should be the best type to E2 first on a strategic level?

or is it operator dependent?

[full finch]

depends on the scenario and what operators you have

but basically pick between a strong 4⭐ or your best 6⭐

[toxic bridge]

so 4* it is

my only 6* is hoshi

[lucid pebble]

ugh i cannot clear 7-18 this is torture

[frigid kite]

A page where you show the operators you have

[toxic bridge]

i heard pinecone's the second best spreadshooter

so now i ask, what's spreadshooters useful on?

[full finch]

killing enemies

[toxic bridge]

you know what i set myself up for that

[full finch]

the main thing is that they deal AoE damage so they're good for clearing waves

[frigid kite]

PSA: you win stages by killing enemies

[full finch]

and pinecone hits pretty hard so she can kill elites too

[frigid kite]

What's your strat?

[toxic bridge]

i see

[full finch]

her stats are pretty good tbh

and she hits for 150% atk on near enemies

[toxic bridge]

that 30 DP cost tho hurts me

[full finch]

worth it

30 DP really isn't that much of a barrier unless your vanguards are really terrible

[toxic bridge]

i have some good ones

[frigid kite]

Aside from that, you can use 1st a ST sniper and replace it with her later if needed

[toxic bridge]

ST?

[full finch]

single target

[frigid kite]

Single Target

[full finch]

usually refers to marksman snipers

[toxic bridge]

oh ok my bad

[frigid kite]

I think Xolli said before that it depends on the case, well, AoE for big waves and needed huge damage, Marksman for drones or killing low Def enemies fastly, dps from a safe range, apply debuff (some) etc....

[toxic bridge]

i see

thing is

i dont know what each team needs for now

since i always look up the guide for a level before i do it

[turbid badge]

huh

[frigid kite]

Are you using only 4*?

[turbid badge]

nah

i think he uses some 5 stars

[frigid kite]

Well, unless is CC, you can use every character you want on the team, just make it doable with a good strat and you're done

[toxic bridge]

that's the thing, i look up the strat, which make the game kinda....eh for me and a bit ez if i follow it well

[lucid pebble]

quite honestly its just a skill issue bc i have to keep track of so much at the beginning

[full finch]

if you use mines, surtr can just delete patriot

in fact I think you can actually just mine patriot to death

[lucid pebble]

the thing is

im trying to kill him before he can spawn those little minions

[frigid kite]

You have to stall

Like, first kill patriot and second don't kill the other enemies, i think it was the 13th or 11th something like that

[full finch]

18th iirc?

[frigid kite]

Probably

[lucid pebble]

its 18th

[frigid kite]

Good to know

You are also using Kalsit right

M3?

[turbid badge]

tonby dont u have kal e2?

[lucid pebble]

ya but mont3r just gets 1 shot even with the 210% defense boost

so shes kind of useless

[turbid badge]

ur suppose to kill him at 2nd stop for phase 1

monster not suppose to block pat lul

[lucid pebble]

also shes m0

[frigid kite]

Hmm

[lucid pebble]

and level 20

i could try surtr

[turbid badge]

yeah you could borrow surtr

[lucid pebble]

where would i place her

[turbid badge]

she makes stage easier by alot, all u need to do if focus on poop enemies and time mines

[frigid kite]

Where you put Monster to tank

[lucid pebble]

see my problem is the mines

its too big brain for me

[frigid kite]

Ok

[turbid badge]

it makes u do more damage to pat and he takes 3k damage

[frigid kite]

When the stage beggins

Put 1 mine in the corner

When the 1st dog appears, put a Mine where he usually stops

[turbid badge]

Yea

[lucid pebble]

ok hold on

um

ok something went wrong

surtr did like

no damage

and shes level 90 m3

[frigid kite]

Attack him with Surtr when he recieves the mine debuff

[lucid pebble]

Ok

oh i did it

with the help of kaltsit

ok now what lol

[frigid kite]

Kill 2nd phase

[lucid pebble]

oh shit

i ummm

didnt see the 3 big guys owning my gavialter

ok redo

[frigid kite]

Lol

Are you also stalling btw?

[lucid pebble]

stalling how

[frigid kite]

The 18th guy

[lucid pebble]

oh yeah

i killed him before the 18th guy even spawned

[frigid kite]

Ok good

[lucid pebble]

ah shit

ugh

the mine timing is so annoying

[limpid siren]

7-18 my beloved

[lucid pebble]

damn it

ok i got destroyed on the second phase

[frigid kite]

Surtr solos it

I guess the jetpack guys?

[lucid pebble]

yeah

[frigid kite]

Ok

[lucid pebble]

they have like

so much defense

[frigid kite]

Stall the 18th guy

Just put your staller + healer on a safe spot

[lucid pebble]

i thought i did

[limpid siren]

Stall the last three mooks

[lucid pebble]

wait so

i dont kill him until patriot dies correct

[frigid kite]

Yup

[limpid siren]

Don't kill him until p2 is dead ye

[lucid pebble]

OH

UNTIL P2

i thought it was just p1

wait so how do i stall him

[frigid kite]

Simple

[limpid siren]

Yeah the killgate checks for x mob and pat p1 to die

[lucid pebble]

just get a really low atk op?

[limpid siren]

Beagle

[frigid kite]

Pick Noir + a Healer

[limpid siren]

Or some defender

[lucid pebble]

what if my noir is level 30

[frigid kite]

Will work

Surtr will have enough time

[limpid siren]

Ye

[lucid pebble]

would a level 1 gummy be better

[frigid kite]

Yeah use whoever you like

[lucid pebble]

oh ill use bubble

ok but like

[quasi briar]

cleared it!

[lucid pebble]

which enemy exactly am i stalling again

[frigid kite]

A normal soldier

[lucid pebble]

let me try to like

watch a video to see which one

[frigid kite]

[lucid pebble]

ok so

the two guys with axes after the crossbow guy

[frigid kite]

Don't put them near where you kill patriot, try to make it a little in the back or P2 will kill your staller

[lucid pebble]

I DID IT

THANK U GUYS SO MUCH

[frigid kite]

Gratz

[lucid pebble]

epic surtr carry as usual

[wary wing]

why did ppl stall after patriot death again?

[frigid kite]

To stop Siegebreakers from spawning

[modern plover]

I gave up on the bug and just played it normally

[frigid kite]

It's not a bug

[glass monolith]

FeAtUrE

[limpid siren]

it is a feature though

kill gates and time gates are how a stage's pacing is decided

[frigid kite]

Now i wonder if they made that on purpose

Which I guess they did

[limpid siren]

yes?

of course

[glass monolith]

Made on purpose? We don't know
Didn't bother to change and it still repeats on new boss stages? Yes

[limpid siren]

we do know

???

what are you talking about

the fact that it's how things have been done since launch

implies that it is very much on purpose

[glass monolith]

Show me tutorial stage which tells you this

[limpid siren]

show me the tutorial stage that tells you about atk_scale

what a weird counter argument

there are many mechanics and systems that the game relies on without needing to explain it to the player

the hatred system is a huge one that is basically boiled down to 'last deployed'

when in reality it's so much deeper than that

[analog kiln]

Show me the tutorial stage that tells you about search cycles

[limpid siren]

too far, beepers

[glass monolith]

TR-0 - Aim in direction of enemy and operators will attack

[analog kiln]

[full finch]

I forgor how taunt interacts with hatred

[limpid siren]

in layman's terms it's "+1"

in terms of raw numbers

who knows lole

[analog kiln]

Tldr taunt is a massiv hatred number

[limpid siren]

ye

most of the time it's enough to trump natural hatred generation

[full finch]

but like
there's more than one level of taunt

like pat

[limpid siren]

ye

[full finch]

[limpid siren]

there's also multiple levels of special targeting

the easiest way is to just say +1 and +2, etc

[full finch]

true

[limpid siren]

because in normal play, that's what it is

[full finch]

and then aak targeting

[limpid siren]

lole

[full finch]

[analog kiln]

If ur bored u can deploy something for half an hour then deploy a taunt and watch enemies ignore taunt but thats not really relevant to bring up

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

iirc aak adds a massive hatred level to units his range based on where they are

but it only affects himself and not enemies?

it would be fucked if it affected enemy targeting

[limpid siren]

ye

it's the same for patriot's spear throw

he gifts like ten morbillion hatred for each tile a unit is distant

then picks the highest

[full finch]

in other words
it's almost impossible to bait with a closer unit

[limpid siren]

in theory yeah, it should be impossible

[full finch]

probably depends on how much hatred taunt is, how much pat gives
and whether or not you can give a ranged unit +1 taunt

[limpid siren]

yeah

[analog kiln]

Ye basically

Each unit has a base hatred value (time deployed and taunt) but theres another step that can modify this to make special targetting work

While also not fucking up normal targetting

[full finch]

wait
is there even a unit/way to have ranged taunt +1

[limpid siren]

taunt values are most likely in the thousands

[limpid siren]

i don't think so

but you can have -taunt

mint on-skill

[full finch]

oh yeah

therapist module

lin S2

[limpid siren]

oh that too

[analog kiln]

I was thinking lin s2

[limpid siren]

who

6*?

haven't heard of them

[full finch]

strange glass rat

[analog kiln]

Carne reverse powercreep

[full finch]

maybe have appeared wearing a swimsuit at some point

[turbid badge]

fartooth too?

[full finch]

oh yeah

[analog kiln]

Im sure prts cursed section has the hatred values for this shit

[full finch]

she does have -taunt

[analog kiln]

But im not on pc

[limpid siren]

i don't think it has confirmed values

maybe speculative values at best

[full finch]

they can't datamine it?

[analog kiln]

It has the collision values

[limpid siren]

no idea

[analog kiln]

[limpid siren]

all i know is that if you ask meow

he laughs at you

[full finch]

tbf
knowing how hatred works is completely unnecessary

[limpid siren]

100%

[full finch]

since it's unlikely to ever have a noticeable effect that isn't mentioned

[limpid siren]

ye

[full finch]

like an operator messing with unit hatred

[limpid siren]

one thing that HG is pretty good at is designing systems that function well enough for normal play

[full finch]

in a way that isn't taunt

well I do know 1 thing

aak doesn't give enough hatred to overcome taunt

since I accidently had him aak the birdcage like 10 times in cc6

but

apparently if the birdcage is in a side lane

he'll still hit the middle

[limpid siren]

yea

[surreal star]

I did testing for aak before

[limpid siren]

his side lanes definitely gift more hatred

[surreal star]

For front lane he hits whoever has highest taunt followed by distance

Side lanes he prioritizes distance then taunt

[limpid siren]

i don't think it's that simple

[surreal star]

I don’t think so either

But idk how hatred works so

[full finch]

it really doesn't matter

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

if it works then it works
if it doesn't try something else

[limpid siren]

close enough is good enough yeah

[analog kiln]

First calculate the hatred value:

Enemy target aggro = 1000 * taunt level - enemy distance from end pointThe hatred value of our target = 10000 * taunt level + creation time (an absolute value, the unit is second, limited to [0, 10000]

[main solstice]

10,000 for middle tiles
1,000,000 for side tiles
incrementing each further tile

[full finch]

holy shit

maffs

[main solstice]

thats aak

[full finch]

[limpid siren]

you sure it's 10k?

[analog kiln]

Then theres the 45 (10 unused) special targettings

[limpid siren]

but neat

sasuga prts

[full finch]

10 unused targetings

[main solstice]

taunt only works for the middle tiles because taunt is only -10000

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

wait wtf

1000000 hatred

[analog kiln]

-1000000*distance-hatred value

Targets lowest hatres

This is pat targetring

[full finch]

10 morbillion is indeed a close approximation

[glass monolith]

Are you guys training at random bullshit go before CC10?

[main solstice]

no, but its really important for cc11

[full finch]

just discussing random mechanics that don't actually affect anything

hatred matters in cc11?

[main solstice]

yeah

[full finch]

mlynar?

[main solstice]

to aak mlynar

yes

[glass monolith]

"HOW MUCH THOSE IC CASTERS RANGE IS?"

Anyway, fuck CC10. Any clue what will be CC12 in CN? They should get one right after Chinese Mountain event

[analog kiln]

Its has essence of evolution as the boss

[glass monolith]

4 EoE, at corner of maps, blue box in middle

[turbid badge]

aaklynar

[random light]

i wonder if E2L90 mylnar can survive chapter 10 cannon

[wary wing]

doesnt like

high e1 survive it

canon is only 3K

[shut siren]

can someone help me beat ce-5 please? nvm i think i just did it

[main solstice]

yeah

mlynar have a lot of hp

[molten swan]

Liberator moment

[soft crystal]

Lib

[frigid kite]

Wow

[limpid siren]

Me when lower trust atk than the 5*

[wary wing]

lmao
tequila >>>>>> mwynar

[soft crystal]

Why do liberators work so well compared to phalanx

[tidal sedge]

Bigger numbers

[soft crystal]

Just wanna hear thoughts

[wary wing]

bigger numbers

and physical hyperscales better than arts

and ground has positional advantages over ranged

[tidal sedge]

It's nothing complicated really.

[pale lava]

Ops placement I have been struggling esp on the bottom lane

[frigid kite]

Team?

[frigid kite]

Vg Mudrock can Hold either bot or top, Vg Irene the same but she will be annihilated from the heavy guys and the breakers if you don't have an eye for Healing on her, may block with Saria/Mountain and dps in a safe place with Irene

But Passenger should take care of most danger I guess

[pale lava]

So how many stacks of VG for Mud and irene

[frigid kite]

I usually go 5vg, added Defender or Guard if there's nothing else on the deck and I need to deploy fast

[wind silo]

I think these are my best bet for cc10 r18 W1 clear

but honestly idk if my units or my strat can handle it

[frigid kite]

How much is mask risk on W1?

[wind silo]

All above

Except yellow

I forgot how to count

30+?

[frigid kite]

I see, ty

[wind silo]

Do you want the risk link@frigid kite ?

[frigid kite]

Nope no spoilers

[wind silo]

but you seeing this pic is spoiler tho

[frigid kite]

Not in much detail

[wind silo]

True

Basically—

Nah not gonna spoiler

[storm current]

?

[tidal sedge]

three star only but has 2* and 1* smh

[wind silo]

Healing defenders and thrm ex

[storm current]

[wind silo]

Also pot

[storm current]

you get to use scene

[wind silo]

Lens is block1 tho

Well

I kinda preped my scene already

Hopefully work

[storm current]

you know

in optimized max risk strat

they use cantabile

which is 1 block and has much higher cooldown

[wind silo]

Wait holup are the docks already done?

Dic

Dok

Document

Man

[wind silo]

Seems like there's few things to learn from this

[storm current]

https://bit.ly/REALAshringHomework

[wind silo]

Yo cool

Anyway

Do you think I can do this

with ops

[hollow stream]

my IC-EX-3 came without the things

[storm current]

you dont get turning pad in ex3

[rough current]

I don't put melee down at the bottom lane. Better to use stallers like May (plus aspd) suzu and/or Ethan to give your dps time to kill the big guys down below (your May might need e2 and masteries for her to work well enough though). If I had your roster I might stick Irene where I put Lappland in this video: https://youtu.be/8CxY0oj_6mU

[pale lava]

Thank you I beat just had to get lucky with the deck

[verbal sparrow]

is there a way to have access to a bilbili account without CN phone number ? or maybe pay for one? It's tiring without an account

[weak gazelle]

thats quite fun
play micro-ing thing again, not as hard as i heard about this map

[toxic bridge]

hello good sirs i have a question

just following a guide succs big time right?

[weak gazelle]

sure, go ahead

[glass monolith]

Blindly following it succs. Using it to utilize your owned stuff better by knowing mechanics, spawns, other shit better isnt

[toxic bridge]

yeah i've been doing the former

got me to 3-8 i guess

i need to stop otherwise i can't fucking think by myself

[glass monolith]

My r18w1 in CC7 was using my own operators on someone else strat.
My r18w1 in CC8 was blindy copy pasta of Ling + Skalter

[placid birch]

Thinking for yourself is overrated

[weak gazelle]

guide huh
i have no idea, guide supposedly to help ppl who stuck at certain map
by showing them 1 of many other solution
best thing from guide is can learn how they do it and adapt from it
tho its basically back to player itself, wanna learn from that or just carbon copy and forget

[toxic bridge]

which im doing the second one

and not thinking by myself and just follwing others will be my downfall eventually

[weak gazelle]

i see
my advice is stop doing that if wanna improve your skill and game experience
read and learn is very good skill to have in this game

[toxic bridge]

yeah fair enough

[frigid kite]

Doing a strategy yourself if far funnier

[toxic bridge]

yeah explains why i aint having fun until i got the roguelike and am thinking by myself

i discovered dur-nar and her capabilities there

also pinecone

[frigid kite]

Using guides is good while, like said above, you learn to play and stuff

[toxic bridge]

yeah fair

[past stone]

for the mini annilation for ideal city

would it be better to use lappland or thorns

in the bottom lane

with medic

i have surtr but i need her to nuke the top surfboard dudes

[wary wing]

the best way to learn is progressively clearing main story without guide

as the stages till the end of ch4 are tuned to be progressively harder and make you used to basic strats

[toxic bridge]

would dur-nar be better than gummy overall or would it depend on stage?

[civic nest]

gummy is better in most stage

[toxic bridge]

got it

and i assume lisk is better than dur-nar too?

[civic nest]

arts defender is not used that regularly

[turbid badge]

umm

[toxic bridge]

damb

i just really like dur-nar

[turbid badge]

liskarm will defo have more usage than durnar

[glass monolith]

Liskarm used for SP shenanigans

[turbid badge]

she gets res at e2 aswell like arts defender

[civic nest]

then u can use her she’s not unusable or anything

[turbid badge]

durnar if you like her you can still raise her

[civic nest]

she will help in some situations

[toxic bridge]

i mean yeah she's not unusable but if other ops would be better i should use said better ops no?

[turbid badge]

yeahh

[glass monolith]

All depends on stage. If you can afford any other blocker and some caster/sniper doing the damage - Why bother with arts defender?

[toxic bridge]

fair

just got attached to dur-nar thanks to the roguelike mode since she's real good sometimes but i get what you fellas mean, thanks

[turbid badge]

shes on of the few arts defenders we have

[glass monolith]

She, Shalem, Piano... Any more?

[turbid badge]

fridge lady

carries big fridge

[toxic bridge]

asbestos?

[frigid kite]

Thorns (Inb4 module)

[civic nest]

wake me up when thorns module make him deal aoe damage

[glass monolith]

Wake me up when Frostleaf gains 3x4 box range

[civic nest]

frostleaf mod gonna make actually able to freeze 💀

[turbid badge]

[latent monolith]

Lappland module: +1 second silence

[glass monolith]

Anyway, stop delaying my Astgenne fucking Yostar

[glass monolith]

+10 silence duration, Prioritize enemies without silence debuff

[civic nest]

me when penace released and still no jug mods

[latent monolith]

Attacked enemies become permanently silenced

[glass monolith]

Penance module +1000 base hp

[turbid badge]

silenced enemies do not take reduced range damage

[civic nest]

i’m gonna cope for mudrock mod where she regen her shield faster

[frigid kite]

Btw, it was new modules per 2 week event on CN?

[glass monolith]

Uh.. They didnt announce any new modules yet or i am thinking in wrong direction?

[frigid kite]

Nothing that i know about yet

Last were casters

[void kelp]

Will this team survive M8-8 CM?

[civic nest]

i don’t think u need 4 medic

[frigid kite]

Just don't burst him too fast

[void kelp]

I try to kill his 1st phase in the middle
Then 2nd near the end

[void kelp]

Who should i take as supp then?

[turbid badge]

only chapter 11 didnt introduce new modules

iirc

[frigid kite]

Got it

[civic nest]

i feel like u should change out sussuro

and get another dps or defender

[void kelp]

Jaye? Cuora? Pozy?

Oh wait
Balans?

[glass monolith]

Are you guys searching for ways to make him kill himself to farts faster?

[lost aurora]

gotbproblem whit ic-ex-8

[civic nest]

i said defender

[lost aurora]

can sum one help me

[civic nest]

i don’t think gummy can tank alone

[void kelp]

Cuora then
Ty!

[frigid kite]

Strat

[turbid badge]

wats ur borrow

[lost aurora]

kyostin

i try to follow kyostin starts

and i failed

is it the trust??

[frigid kite]

[frigid kite]

Is the thinking

[glass monolith]

Pozy the boss and then it is carring time

[frigid kite]

Yup

[lost aurora]

i dont have pozy ;-;

[frigid kite]

@lost aurora

[lost aurora]

hmm imma see if homie got pozie brb

[glass monolith]

It is EX, you can support in EX, not like anyone sane will trust farm on them

Except NL because daily missions sending you to EX/S because fuck you

[frigid kite]

Oh, will the rerun have the dailies?

[glass monolith]

do not know, would be nice

[frigid kite]

[glass monolith]

Let me check medal set

[frigid kite]

Well those also worked to increase reputation

[glass monolith]

Trim IS max reputation which is impossible without dailies on normal run as permament missions covering only like 30-40 out of 50

[surreal relic]

The rerun works the same as the original run

[glass monolith]

(Bochi scream when thinking about NL-EX-8 CM)

[lost aurora]

also sorry discord keep force shut down

i got her but idk if its the right skill

[glass monolith]

I am pretty sure it is physically impossible to find not S3 Pozy in friend support unless someone trolling

[void kelp]

Is meph farts considered as arts dmg?

[frigid kite]

True damage

You can also use NG tho

[lost aurora]

is this a 3rd skill?

[frigid kite]

Or try

[civic nest]

yea

[lost aurora]

oley 👍

[civic nest]

no masteries tho

@lost aurora

[surreal relic]

Is that an E0 squad mixed with E2?

[civic nest]

lemme change my support to pozy

[lost aurora]

yus

[frigid kite]

That's why I like to use SA, Saria and Ceobe when helping him hahaha

[lost aurora]

oh thats the run for certain first stages

aka ic-s-1

[civic nest]

done

[lost aurora]

thank you

so the pozemka solo boss right?

[analog kiln]

Needs suzu

[lost aurora]

my suzu is litterally e0

[glass monolith]

I'm pretty sure Pozy will send Minimalist to trash can on EX-8

[analog kiln]

Skill issue
Any other buffer or amp

[glass monolith]

Try test plans just to be sure

[analog kiln]

Oh on ex8 yeah

Boss stands still too long

[lost aurora]

none sadly

[frigid kite]

Add her to your E2 priorities while we are on CC

She's really useful

[lost aurora]

but help say stutr first

[surreal relic]

For EX-8, a good Pozy and your E2 Warfarin should be enough

[frigid kite]

Because surtr goes first

[lost aurora]

someone say chalter but i doubt shes good

[latent monolith]

Chalter is mob clearer but "mob" includes all the bosses

[civic nest]

she’s good yes

[lost aurora]

okay can we go back to ex-8?

[frigid kite]

Yeah, go clear it, you got it

[lost aurora]

alright so if i follow kyostin guide whit pozemka and warfarin added itll work right?

[frigid kite]

Yup

[civic nest]

should work yes

[glass monolith]

M3 module 3

Oh and I guess elysium buffed attack speed of first few shots but otherwise unbuffed

[civic nest]

the poz he borrowed is mine

only mod 2

[frigid kite]

Help's fault

Too bad

[glass monolith]

E2 90 then

[civic nest]

no

[glass monolith]

Understandable have a good day

[storm current]

i have 90 mod3

[glass monolith]

Breaking news, local Durin fucking vaporised

[storm current]

i have been using pozy pretty often

TFN IC boss and IS

shes nice

vaporize lucian

[civic nest]

bonkers

[glass monolith]

Oh right tomorrow is final IS rush

[frigid kite]

IS3 also soon

So far pretty excited

[glass monolith]

(Bochi scream)

[civic nest]

i look at a is3 run

i don’t understand shit

[glass monolith]

I am too busy e2ing 6*s, I am unable to push high Hard on it

[void kelp]

Is2 won't be getting any expansions anymore?

[glass monolith]

Dice exists to fuck you over with nat 1 rolls. Curses exist to fuck you over. Uh... That's it with my awareness of it

[civic nest]

so is3 fuck u

i