strategy

[proud drift]

ironic you say that

[novel pivot]

I started in june 2020

[proud drift]

she wasn't my first E2

and even when I e2'd her

I only used her like what

3 times after that?

outside of IS

[novel pivot]

Ling rots my brain

Cant use her

I dont have her

Wont get her

Meanwhile archetto exists in all of my ch 9 autos

For some reason

[main solstice]

i dont like archetto

every time i used her she was so useless

[novel pivot]

Based alert 🚨

[proud drift]

I just don't like her S3

cause a lot of enemies nowadays have high def

[novel pivot]

Its the only skill i use

[proud drift]

so her S1 has the oomph that her other abilities lack

I don't regret getting her S1 to M3 at all since it feels like it's been the most useful ability so far

[main solstice]

her s2 is ok to wave clear

[limpid siren]

wild

[novel pivot]

I only have 3 casters

Ifrit, eyja, and amiya

I throw phys dmg at my enemies until they die

[proud drift]

funny you say that her S1 has roughly the same dps as S2 with only difference is that it hits 4 vs 5 (with the S2 bounce reducing in the hitcount)

unless it works in a way that

1st target gets 5x 2nd target gets 4x

etc.

[main solstice]

i dont even know what s1 does

[limpid siren]

it's the latter

[proud drift]

o

[limpid siren]

S1 is just one slap vs all targets iirc

[proud drift]

I guess S2 is fine if you're fighting like

5000 slime waves

[limpid siren]

S2 can total to 15 hits

vs up to 5

[novel pivot]

S2 is the forgotten middle child

[proud drift]

S1 has 230% atk scaling to main target and 180% to 3 other close targets

and at m3

it has 3sp cost

S2 is 9sp for 5x140% to main target and -1 per additional target to the jumped ones

[main solstice]

i have never seen anyone using s1

[proud drift]

I feel like it's underrated

low maintenance and hits just as hard

works very nice against slightly higher def targets

[main solstice]

its an ok skill for afk it seems

[proud drift]

then again I might be overrating it

[novel pivot]

My opinion is that archetto carries you until you have a better sniper

[main solstice]

if your are going against higher def enemies just dont take archetto

[novel pivot]

Or just use a caster idk

Spam amiya s1

If using idol skin then every other sniper can go disappear

Idol sweep

Her skin gives her +1000 value

(Not fake)

Unless hg makes a pozy idol skin anyway

[main solstice]

casters are so bad for hard content, i dont remember last time i saw a caster in high risk cc

[novel pivot]

Me in r23

Thats about it

Wild scales eyja trash clear

[limpid siren]

casters haven't been eating good for a long time

[novel pivot]

I only want ceoebe bcs cute

Other than that

Meh

[proud drift]

in ideal 0 def scenario S1 does 4758 dmg at 3cost
one s2 activation in ideal scenario does 12978 at 9cost, divide it by 3 cause you get 3 S1s for each S2 and it goes down to 4326 per S1
conclusion: this is a fucking headache just use whatever you prefer

[novel pivot]

Use kroos

No brain needed

Works everytime

[proud drift]

if you stock up on S2 it will do better against low def enemies

but in constant shooting S1 does better

[main solstice]

do you have s1 m3?

[proud drift]

yes

[limpid siren]

i think the paper maths belies the control that S2 offers

[main solstice]

can i test it?

[proud drift]

ye

I can remove an inactive person

[novel pivot]

Stupid thought but

In 0 def 0 res situation is eyja or archetto better at waveclearing

Just think a theoretical stream of infinite slugs

I know this is dumb

[main solstice]

Fersangu#0987

[proud drift]

oh but does it matter if she's lv60

and not 90

[limpid siren]

archetto probably takes that fight

[main solstice]

its ok

[novel pivot]

Zamn

[limpid siren]

[novel pivot]

Eyja s2 only carry so much

[limpid siren]

i don't think either are the ideal choice though

[novel pivot]

Fair

Just wanted to think about it

[proud drift]

200% trust as well

just lv60

[novel pivot]

M9

Where skin

[shell arch]

Fleggs in strat?

[proud drift]

n-no

[novel pivot]

My arch lvl 90

500k lmd lost for nothing

[shell arch]

Where's khold the ceremonial #strategy mod when we need him

[novel pivot]

[novel pivot]

Khold brain so huge he basically has to drag it around

In a wheelbarrow

Because its huge

[jovial nest]

I've gotten to a point of no-Closure symptoms that I've stopped the notion of waifus now

[novel pivot]

Closure funeral event

[near folio]

Gonna try this for ultimate trial

And die a horrible death

[jovial nest]

letting guys actually borrow useful operators

[novel pivot]

The currency is her ashes

[jovial nest]

[novel pivot]

Sootr sweeps this trial

Because sootr

[proud drift]

offensive/defensive recovery

[near folio]

Mandra’s lasers 😭

[novel pivot]

Just bait

Ezpz

[near folio]

Maybe I need a gravel

[jovial nest]

I do love that Chalter and Poze are boss killers that are good laners too

that's semi-rare

[near folio]

Wait no gravel cant bait laser

[jovial nest]

yeah

[novel pivot]

Just plop gravel first and wait for laser

[jovial nest]

Mandra prios stuff

unless out of range

[near folio]

Actually does laser cooldown resetif it kills something and nothing else is in its range?

[novel pivot]

Does mandra switch targets or smth

Cuz like if not

[near folio]

Mandra can switch after killing

[jovial nest]

that reminds me

[near folio]

But what if there is nothing to switch to

Thats the real question

[novel pivot]

Then just

[jovial nest]

I lvl'd Mountain to 90 just to be Mandra's Laser tank in H9-6 alongside NG

[novel pivot]

Idk

[novel pivot]

I used a mon3tr there

Not very fun

[jovial nest]

mine is AFK

[novel pivot]

I had to borrow a skalter

Bcs mandra mechanics r bs

[near folio]

Does mandra’s stage have one of those devices you can turn on that boosts your stats?

[main solstice]

just hit with surtr outside of her range

[main solstice]

no

[novel pivot]

Only in lower difficulties

[near folio]

Im still trying to beat H9-6 using only SA and Ifrit as my 6 stars

[novel pivot]

Absent in higher ones

[novel pivot]

Lol

[near folio]

Almost had it

But the stage is just bs

[novel pivot]

Just rarity abuse

Snore

[proud drift]

bruh

why do 6* mod2-3

[novel pivot]

[proud drift]

cost a whole kidney

[main solstice]

i dont think there is one in lower difficulties

[novel pivot]

Because they're modules

F2p potential

Cant be giving those for free now can we

Merchant module actually busted

Now ur dp not frozen

[near folio]

Does Bibeak’s skill hit drones?

S2

[random light]

yes

[strange pumice]

Trials deadline is just until more levels are added, right? No rush?

[pearl musk]

Yes rush

[strange pumice]

Please elaborate? I've done most, but my gf thought she could chill after being burnt out on sss 😅

@pearl musk

[pearl musk]

Ask in help

But I'm pretty sure that the end is the end

For trials

@strange pumice

[strange pumice]

Thanks, will check there.

[sharp chasm]

Which team is easiest to finish TN4 chapters? I'm leaning on kazimierz one with reduced deploy gift of closure

[glass monolith]

Went same, used goldenglow for stupid cat and uh.... that's it

[sharp chasm]

Stupid cat being mandragora?

[glass monolith]

Flametail and Silverash gaming for ultimate trial but all those did were killing clownslayer on time because bitch rushes blue box with infinite hp and hold shield dudes on mandra map

[soft crystal]

Chen squad did tn 4 ultimate for me

[sharp chasm]

Chen squad with sp gift right?

[soft crystal]

Yeah had irene too

[near folio]

Wtf she is counted as a flying enemy

If I was using chen S2 I could have done her in dammit

[soft crystal]

Well yeah and

Chen s2 is really really shit

Dont even bother

[random light]

not using GG to win

[near folio]

Can patriot phase 2 be stunned?

[near folio]

For this challenge is actually decent

I dont feel like committing surtr for patriot phase 2

I could stunlock him and kill with lappland

[random light]

i think phase 2 are stun immune

[near folio]

Nvm he cant be stunned

That means bibeak is literally used just to kill the 2 drones

[drowsy forum]

what type of damage is manfred's canon ? can hoshiguma dodge it ?

[limpid siren]

true damage, yeah she can dodge

[drowsy forum]

it's true damage but she can dodge it ? how in the

[glass monolith]

Parry this you casual
Hoshi - Parry literally artillery shell

[limpid siren]

hoshiguma's dodge talent doesn't confirm it, but she can dodge true damage

funny little quirk

[glass monolith]

Her talent is 12.5/25% "block" of anything

[limpid siren]

specifically damage

she still can't negate other effects

[glass monolith]

Cannon tutorial even has Hoshi dodging first cannon shot... At least in my attempts

[drowsy forum]

oh in my tutorial she just got hit

so i never realized till i decided to use her today

next CC will have the canon too right? does this mean there may be a strategy that utilizes hoshi ?

[near folio]

Chen S2 is the way

[drowsy forum]

like Feater back in the day

[limpid siren]

no

tanking the cannon isn't worthwhile at higher risks, since you get the benefit of abusing it to kill enemies either way

and keeping hoshiguma planted in one spot is perhaps too inflexible to be a better option than dropping a chump in to eat a shot and take some enemies with them

[drowsy forum]

oh makes sense so its fast redeploy/mont3r usage then?

[glass monolith]

My chapter 10 rock farm is Heavyrain tanking cannon

[limpid siren]

something like that

[drowsy forum]

good thing i built cantabile at least i can generate dp while baiting i guess

[latent monolith]

Mine is lee kal duo iirc, also functions as a trust farm if I need it to but I end up farming 1-7 anyways

[drowsy forum]

I used mostly mudmud to tank canon shots but decided to go hoshi since i hadnt used her in a while for fun (tho mont3r has also done some work)

[storm current]

me when car solo

[proud drift]

wait

did it kill drone too

[storm current]

car no go space

car go road

[proud drift]

ok but

double bomba car

bomba make plane go down

[storm current]

double explosion mean i have to manual use car

and it has to be +80% speed for it to work

[proud drift]

having manual license allows you to drive both manual and automatic

having automatic allows you to drive only automatic

[near folio]

Wait wtf there is an ultimate trial for TN4

[storm current]

si

[near folio]

Where all bosses have increase def atk and max hp wtf

[storm current]

quite easy if you know how to clear

nah its not that hard

consider how broken kazimier is

[near folio]

I was using the chen squad up to that point

[storm current]

the main difference is that all cooldown are significantly shorten

CS blink is like 1s

basically unblockable

patriot spear much more often

but doesnt matter since i dont use range

lugia fart smellier

[near folio]

I was using this team

[storm current]

and mandragora use laser on every attack

[near folio]

I might have to change gravel to someone else

Someone who can deal with patriot

[storm current]

uh

just use kazimier

[near folio]

Im saving surtr for some early bird damage

[storm current]

i used this for ultimate

exu is there since my cantabile cant kill bonus drone

not enough level

[whole crater]

Wtf jp user

[proud drift]

wtf I can replicate this with my own personal units

well

my gg is lv30

[storm current]

nah

[proud drift]

[storm current]

just m3 is enough

[proud drift]

o

cuz my levels are legit same

oh but my mudrock is m1

[storm current]

basic is the hardest

since no kazimier

[whole crater]

Why need mudrock?

[storm current]

then the rest are a joke

you technically wont need mudrock if you like using blem

i dont

mudrock is unnecessary

whislash and blem are quite strong anyway

[whole crater]

Blem is cute so I like using her

She bonks p hard with the Kazimierz buff and s3

Can pozy solo mandra btw

[near folio]

Mudrock holds bot lane for patriot ig

[whole crater]

Blem can do the same

[near folio]

Do you use blem s2 or s3 for this?

I dont think S3 can last long alone

[storm current]

Pozy cant

[whole crater]

Need healer if using s3

[storm current]

But she help

Actuallu

For like

Basic or oriental sure

But mandragora has bloated hp

In spectacular and ultimate

[near folio]

That’s the issue ig

[storm current]

Still low def and low res tho

[near folio]

I barely managed to kill mandragora in spectecular

[storm current]

My GG fw can kill her without pillar

[near folio]

I only had pozy and chen doing damage to phase 2

[tiny moat]

would one clear of each difficulty be enough for all stages

for the rewards?

[storm current]

Yes

Altho

You will also need to do the task

[near folio]

Should I bring Saria for S3 buff?

[storm current]

Nein

[near folio]

It helps surtr do damage

[storm current]

You should try kazimier

Surtr nearl will nuke phase 1

GG with 2 sp device will kill her slowly

Just take aspd buff

[near folio]

I can do smt like this

Crownslayer is covered by lappland, pozy and gravel

[storm current]

No need lapp

Do you have GG

[near folio]

Nop

[storm current]

Borrow then

GG is too valuable for 3rd wave

[near folio]

3rd wave as in mephisto?

[storm current]

Because she can snipe all enrage possessed before they become a problem

[tiny moat]

are enemy stats buffed in trial of navigators?

[near folio]

Oh right I have to bring mudrock

[storm current]

3rd and 4rd difficulty i believe

[near folio]

Actually no

I dont have to bring mudrock

I can just blemi S2 to hold the yellow exit

[whole crater]

Use blem ye

[storm current]

Btw

You should try to stall it out

[near folio]

Stall what out?

[storm current]

Gravel can kill the very last enemies and such

The wave out

[near folio]

The last 4 throwers?

[storm current]

You want your boss killer when next wave come

[whole crater]

If u have buff gravel can infinite stall throwers

[near folio]

Yeah I can stall the last 4 thrower dudes

[storm current]

For all stage ye

You want to deploy them asap

[jovial nest]

oh damn.....TN-4 boss combo is stacked

[near folio]

Actually how tf to deal with mandra if her laser has no cooldown?

[jovial nest]

and i have to bring Mountain just for Mandragora

[jovial nest]

tank it

or kill her first

[storm current]

Why mountain

[jovial nest]

cause his -DEF means nothing

[storm current]

2 block is kinda pepe

[jovial nest]

and his regen is second to none

[near folio]

Mountain can tank laser in ultimate?

[storm current]

Nope

Gravel dies in seconds

[jovial nest]

if it can tank H9-6, I'll damn well try it here

[proud drift]

even S2M3 maxed out gravel?

[storm current]

Im literally using the max gravel so

[near folio]

Yeah

[storm current]

But

[near folio]

Mandra’s laser melts

Real hard

[storm current]

She survive enough for pillar to drop

If you want that

[near folio]

Actually where do u drop the pillar?

Which pillar to drop?

[storm current]

Uh

I dont have a pic

[proud drift]

So do you like

Drop ntr on her right after gravel

[sharp chasm]

Drop gravel when mandragora is near the pillar, and she'll drop on herself

[proud drift]

So ntr can whack her up

Or do you just use ntr for sth else

[near folio]

But ntr shouldnt need pillar no?

She ignores def when dropped

[sharp chasm]

She will because mandragora is levitating

[near folio]

Oh right

[whole crater]

Chalter can kill mandra

[storm current]

were the pillar placement here

[sharp chasm]

Tbh when pillar is dropped on her she's easily killed

[proud drift]

Wtf u have to start with pillar drop

[jovial nest]

Hmmmm, I guess this is enough firepower for those 4...

[quaint brook]

does it matter if you leak a few enemies in trials?

[storm current]

use kazimier

no

[near folio]

No but dont leak the bosses

[storm current]

normal enemies doesnt matter

but boss instantkill

[sharp chasm]

There is enough fire power to break down the phone there

[quaint brook]

yea i mean just the mobs

[storm current]

also on higher difficulty you get less hp to leak

[quaint brook]

[jovial nest]

damn going in with Patriot's theme first

[whole crater]

Suzu is rlly op btw

[near folio]

Im using Saria as my damage amp

Though it only helps with arts so sadge

[whole crater]

I used m0 suzu

She helped a lot for crownslayer as well

[whole crater]

Makes it so surtr + suzu can kill

[storm current]

bt

[solar spindle]

imagine using free squad

[storm current]

btw

theres technically another pillar, but gone in ultimate trial

so not included here

btw

[whole crater]

Chalter makes u not need pillar ez

[near folio]

Wait how fast do you kill the first phase to be able to drop the second pillar?

[storm current]

ng cage can bait mandragora pillar drop

[jovial nest]

Ah yes....CS's NEW bully buddy

[storm current]

Use kazimier @near folio

[jovial nest]

I love Gavialter S2

[storm current]

Since nearl + surtr is huge dmg

[near folio]

So im assuming you use surtr to tank then ntr to slap?

[storm current]

And GG is sniping

No

Surtr does more dmg

[near folio]

My surtr only did 50% in spectecular trial

[storm current]

Because surtr is placed further away

[near folio]

She gonna do even less in ultimate

[storm current]

Well thats good

[near folio]

Wont ntr die fast if she is the one taking laser?

[storm current]

GG snipe, Surtr can do dmg without getting lasered

You dont want that

My combo is surtr wildmane

Wildmane tank

When mob enemies are outside of burst range

Gravel then nearl

[near folio]

How does wildmane do it?

[storm current]

S1

Shes there for tank

But doesnt matter

You can use gravel if too but its a bit slower

[near folio]

But surtr early doesnt need a tank

[storm current]

Nah

[near folio]

What I mean is placing surtr top at the start to get some damage on mandra

[storm current]

Surtr last long enough that mandra will attack if nothing ctabk

ok fuck mobile typing

[near folio]

Anyways why am I even discussing wave 4 when I havent even tried first 3 waves

Will come back later

[storm current]

dw

first 3 wave are easy af if you use kazimier

exu is fairly effective against mandragora too

[whole crater]

Gargoyle kill my units tho

[storm current]

since she has not much defense

[whole crater]

Surtr can mostly kill Gargoyle with mandra tho

[storm current]

are you using GG with 2 sp device

[whole crater]

Gg is for noob

I use skill operator

[storm current]

me when

anyway

firewatch is nice too

since memphisto and mandragora are considered range

[whole crater]

Chalter is biggest brain op so weak

[storm current]

and they dont get attack

[near folio]

Lol I almost died to crownslayer

[glass monolith]

Nuclear car detected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Cij4As1jc

[storm current]

just do this

wildmane to bait blink

[proud drift]

he lost his holes

[storm current]

then deploy nearl to stun CS

[proud drift]

so he used the car

[storm current]

surtr nuking stationary CS is self elaborate

i tried camping CS before, its not worth doing

[proud drift]

wait shouldn't ntr be one tile lower?

[storm current]

CS stay in the middle spot more

wdym 1 tile lower

nearl is there to intercept CS

[near folio]

Do you think the 3 up there can last long enough to patriot revival?

[storm current]

ok

you should just

[normal flume]

Man, the boss in IC-9 is a heck of a battle. I tried to figure out his attack pattern but I keep getting wiped before I even seen health bar.

What's the game plan for it? Especially after he puts up his shield? Do I just wait him out? Or should I focus fire somehow?

[storm current]

use wildmane more

[normal flume]

Don't tell me who the best op for it is or anything like that, I just wanna know how he works first

[storm current]

surtr is defective against patriot phase 1

[proud drift]

how is she gonna intercept if crown doesn't path thru her

[storm current]

thats why wildmane bait?

[proud drift]

she jumps wildmane

and walks past ntr

cuz ntr isn't in her path

no?

[storm current]

get blocked by wild mane, teleport right infront of nearl, but nearl stun intercept

[proud drift]

oh

you mean deploy her

or s3 even

[storm current]

wait hold on

a bit

s3 nearl is not worth using

since she can ignore defense anyway

[proud drift]

then deploy stun ig

[storm current]

also you cant block most boss

lol

also

whislash with aspd buff can hold lane by herself

quite nice

[near folio]

Lol wtf

NTR solo dps phase 2 patriot with Gravel

[jovial nest]

HAHAHAHAHHA! Mandra destroyed the pillar to kill Mountain on top of NG.....and destroying her in the process.

[near folio]

Jesus christ

[storm current]

there

teleport right infront of nearl

[near folio]

I just kill Crownslayer at the right with lappland face up

[storm current]

a quarter and surtr will finish it off

[near folio]

Lappland will be useful in wave 4 for clearing trash mobs

[proud drift]

[storm current]

actually my bad

surtr cant finish it offf

higher hp in ultimate

need pozy to finish CS off

[near folio]

Should I drop NTR to help with killing bird or just gravel to block the enraged possessed mf?

[storm current]

but ye pozy good

@near folio wild mane first

surtr + wildmane

should deal with first phase

or finish off with gravel

[jovial nest]

ok so based on my experience.....use Kazi Team for TN-4?

[storm current]

you want to use nearl in egg form

[jovial nest]

cause

it's broken

[near folio]

Im planning to leave it very low so I can saria nuke the egg at the bottom

[jovial nest]

Kazi team is broken

[glass monolith]

I did Kazi all the way

[turbid badge]

if u hav -8 dp

Gravel is legit 0 dp

forever

[jovial nest]

Goddamn!

TRUE damage

not even the hardest hitters

[near folio]

Almost time

Lets hope this is enough damage to kill the bird without melting

Wtf

[jovial nest]

Wild Mane is a shredder in this mode

I love it

[near folio]

Blemi got killed before it even moved

Guess i have to keep saria there

[jovial nest]

Wake up!

[near folio]

Wait wtf do I do?

Do I drop blemi to stall the red guy or should I sack Saria?

Oh wait

I can sack saria to charge blemi up

Alright nice, managed to stabilise

Ok so how should I do this?

Should I drop surtr at the safe spot to snipe?

[molten swan]

Okay so uh

Pozy face top on the right tile

[sand venture]

@tidal sedge start with something like this

[molten swan]

When the time comes drop pillar and go crazy

[near folio]

Early kill P1?

[proud drift]

if you place an operator there

will she just drop the pillar there?

[jovial nest]

Ok to hell with Myrtle on this. This is basically closer to a single long fight so I'm going Saileach S1M3

[tidal sedge]

ooohhh. i never started with leonhardt before so i'll try this one later when im done with my papers

[sand venture]

then slowly turn it into this remember to Deploy Horn Last n Put Gavial to the tile where I put Blaze

[molten swan]

Bruh no

[near folio]

@molten swan im actually thinking of smt more like this

[proud drift]

how do you make her drop a pillar on herself then wth

[sand venture]

Put a Bait

[near folio]

Wild mane is the bait

[sand venture]

Bait

my fav

[near folio]

Or should I use blemi to bait?

[molten swan]

Theres only one tile for that

When she comes below the leftmost pillar

You bait that

[tidal sedge]

i see i see. thanks for the help! i'm going to try it later and see what i can do

[proud drift]

0oh

wait so

are you forced to kill her there then

[molten swan]

For first phase its better to slam the rightmost pillar to the right

I mean

Not forced

[sand venture]

Goodluck on run after ur done with ur paper work

[jovial nest]

how much do they buff these enemies in Spectacular?

[molten swan]

No

[jovial nest]

it feels 20%

[molten swan]

A lot more than 20% for sure

[sand venture]

Quite Alot

[jovial nest]

goddamn

[sand venture]

n Ultimate mode is

[near folio]

Wtf she lasered ntr first?

[sand venture]

[near folio]

Even though I put wild mane last

[jovial nest]

Priorities

[molten swan]

She lasers op with highest atk

Lmao

[sand venture]

cuz she have the highes atk

[near folio]

So I should wait for her to go up to laser surtr first then drop ntr is that the idea?

[sand venture]

its kinda annoying that Devs removed the pillar at the middle

[near folio]

Ok one pillar of dps gone

Should be able to put her into phase 2 with another surtr

[molten swan]

Wasted pillar L

[proud drift]

is this ultimate or spectacular

[sand venture]

ult

ult have only 2 pillars

[proud drift]

oh

so you can just leak the 2 gargoyles

[glass monolith]

Best CM condition ever

[near folio]

Wtf

She killed surtr before she even got her skill up

Why does mandragora exist

Holy shit

[glass monolith]

IM FIRING MY LAZOR

[sand venture]

the DMG INCREASE on her lAAAZZAAA is really big

[near folio]

The laser cooldown in ultimate is nonexistent

Omg

[glass monolith]

DPS wise Mandra lazor comparable to Chapter 11 boss ability... Except Chapter 11 boss does it on health gates instead fucking you over every 15 or so seconds

[sand venture]

if the Target Died she can use the remaining duration of the LAZA to other op

[glass monolith]

I think that lazer still ongoing even if operator in range died to if you drop another op she will target it instantly

[near folio]

Ah yeah she keeps the duration

Thats the most stupid part of it

But she cant switch targets during laser right?

That means I just have to get her to lock on to sootor then drop ntr

[proud drift]

why waste surtr like that

and not just drop gravel

[glass monolith]

Just drop fucking NTR unless someone else attacked NTR NTR will survive entire cast

[near folio]

Gravel cant tank it

When gravel dies she will switch target anyways

[latent monolith]

If the op dies then mandra retargets

ye

[proud drift]

o

cringe mechanic

whoever thought of it must be a cringelord

[near folio]

Doesnt look like mine will be surviving

[jovial nest]

fits Mandra's nature

[near folio]

But my fault for putting ntr out in the open

[latent monolith]

Mandra laser one of the more boss mechanics

[proud drift]

btw can you make pozy typewriter shoot pillars?

or no?

[glass monolith]

The problem is pillar has invisible "least likely to be attacked

And Mandra stops in 3 tiles from it

And Typo shots for 3 tiles

And walmart mudrock colossus will fuck with Pozy targeting

[proud drift]

if you drop the left pillar down the same way with baiting

can't you bait the right pillar on herself as well

[glass monolith]

Well you can

I did it on third difficulty, failed on 4th

[proud drift]

gravel is supposingly tanky enough for it to drop

[glass monolith]

wouldn't matter as i failed to end phase 1 before pillar anyway

[proud drift]

it's 12k true damage regardless

[glass monolith]

But can Penance tank it?

Imagine it wasn't WD-like force recall on your operators?

[proud drift]

@molten swan source is lolicon not me btw

he kept saying gravel can tank it

[jovial nest]

HAHAHAHHAHA YES!

[proud drift]

[latent monolith]

Why exactly does it matter?

[jovial nest]

laser that doll!

[latent monolith]

Tankiness that is

[glass monolith]

Game of "Guess who the fuck it is?"

[jovial nest]

It's an HP shield. Not invulnerability Mudrock shields

[proud drift]

survives long enough for it to drop, apparently?

[jovial nest]

in other words

[proud drift]

yeah

well

[latent monolith]

Mandra has no real rules to how tanky an op has to be in order to knock a pillar on them

[proud drift]

@storm current you explain to them

[jovial nest]

if they hit hard enough, Gravel can die in one hit

[storm current]

uh

will screenshot

[proud drift]

you said that gravel survives long enough for pillar to be baited

[storm current]

hold on

let me uh

clearing the first 3 waves

[jovial nest]

OK so......

[molten swan]

Bruh no

[jovial nest]

Ultimate Trial

can i activate the buff crystals?

[molten swan]

You only need to bait the warning tile drop

They dont need to stay onfield

[storm current]

well yea

[glass monolith]

If you beat them on Ultimate

[jovial nest]

tch i guess i have to bring someone to easily kill columns

I'm thinking if I should just go full FREE squad

yeah I'll do that...

at least my choices of ops wouldn't be so small

wait no it's still just 9

I'll go Kazi

[harsh gale]

[solar spindle]

[jovial nest]

NTRK S3?

or S2 still?

[proud drift]

S2

[jovial nest]

Deployment seems like not an issue. Do i need the shield?

[proud drift]

You don’t need the true damage

[storm current]

you literally cant use s3 since you cant block them

[proud drift]

Kazi squad very convoluted way of saying “kazimiers do true damage for 20s”

[jovial nest]

Should I go Poze instead than Chalter?

[storm current]

and why need true dmg if she ignore def anyway

[jovial nest]

Cause that would make killing pillars a bit easier

[storm current]

i prefer pozy since shes cheaper

[jovial nest]

and Typewriter easy to manipulate

[storm current]

not because i already borrow GG

[jovial nest]

Does NG doll on a ranged tile work on Patriot's spear?

also I'

am stupid if it cannot deploy on ranged either ways

NG will be my go-to anyway

[storm current]

you cant place NG doll on range tile

[jovial nest]

due to Mephy and Mandra

the shieldguard evaporated

ok CS was SO slippery

can't even idle long enough

[storm current]

surtr did get lasered

ok i lied

i cant do that in ultimate

cuz uh

too fat

[jovial nest]

I might need to do this a bit more flexibly....

everyone is so dman tanky

I'll try Chalter again

[near folio]

Holy shit I passed it

[lethal dragon]

Try GG

[near folio]

I somehow managed to do enough damage to kill phase 2 in one pillar

[storm current]

exu shread like 40% of her hp

even at m1

[near folio]

ggs

Lappdumb did it

Lately ive been enjoying lappland more than thorns

Saria S3L7 managed to do it

[jovial nest]

Hmmmm

Saria S3 huh

maybe I should go with that over NG

[near folio]

Yeah, I don’t have suzu built

Also a good source of healing when needed

[molten swan]

Use the pillar tf

[storm current]

@molten swanphase1

mfw not enough dmg

[molten swan]

Lmaooo

[near folio]

I had to use 2 surtrs and 1 ntr to kill phase 1

[storm current]

ended up not using pillar anyway

uh

GG can 2 cycle mandragora to finish her phase 1

[jovial nest]

ok I'm at my wit's end

[near folio]

Lappland got her skill the moment mandra dropped the pillar, I got so lucky

[jovial nest]

I'm looking on what people used on ult

cause I'm getting hammered

[near folio]

I use this

[storm current]

kazimier + pozy exu mudrock surtr GG

[jovial nest]

hmmmm

[storm current]

aspd buff

[jovial nest]

Let's see how much Saria alone carries

wait no

[jovial nest]

damn.....that does mean I have to REALLY lay off the constant redeploys

no printers huh

[storm current]

uh

[jovial nest]

outside WM

[storm current]

just stall

[jovial nest]

ah

[near folio]

I used one printer

[storm current]

and spam wild mane dp reduction

[jovial nest]

i am going goddamn Mudrockless

[storm current]

also dont you dont need exu

[jovial nest]

so maybe it'll help

[storm current]

kick her out for cantabile

[near folio]

Tbh mudrock isnt needed

U can use blemi S2 to hold lanes instead

[storm current]

i used exu since my cantabile isnt strong enough for bonus drone

ye

[jovial nest]

with what I'm up against in Mephy's

[storm current]

blem s2 is enough

[jovial nest]

i need someone tanky

[storm current]

uh

no

you just GG snipe them

[near folio]

I use Blemi to hold the yellow gate

[storm current]

range? sniped

melee? sniped

the aspd buff is just enough for GG to slow lock

[jovial nest]

I guess the enemies are few enough for GG to really carry this

[near folio]

I kill the first enraged possessed leader by spawncamping mephisto with surtr

So I can basically use blemi until meph goes to the bottom

Then unleash my big nuke

Then on the next enraged possessed leader I sack my saria to charge blemi up

Then kill it with sleep

[jovial nest]

use Blem as an actual laner, right?

with S2?

or S3?

[near folio]

S2

[soft crystal]

S2

[jovial nest]

got it

[storm current]

s2 goes hard with aspd buff

[jovial nest]

I'll preserve redep spam on Gravel WM and NTRK only

[soft crystal]

I used chen squad on ultimate tn4

Irene+Chen op

[near folio]

Thats such a high req run

[jovial nest]

I got Canta M6. S1M3?

or S2?

[near folio]

I only managed to clear spectecular TN4 with chen squad

[storm current]

not running dps buff
wondering why they are so tanky

[jovial nest]

DA FUCK

i leveled it up

didn't know it swapped instantly to that

[near folio]

Tbh I prefer having a printer for this challenge

[jovial nest]

no wonder i felt so weak

[soft crystal]

I still did rely on gg for dpsing mandra slowly

[near folio]

Myrtle can be planted for basically the whole round

[jovial nest]

.....OK NOW i'M CURIOUS

[storm current]

cantabile with aspd buff is stronger

[jovial nest]

I'll try my original team

[near folio]

You only need to retreat myrtle on patriot stage

Then reset during mephisto

[jovial nest]

S1M3?

or S2?

[storm current]

s1

[jovial nest]

going for Canta over flag

I'll use my old team again

now with CORRECT BUFF

[near folio]

Good thing about flag is that it supports better if u are constantly redeploying

Unless im wrong and cantabile prints out more dp than flagbearers that stay onfield 24/7

[jovial nest]

Doesn't Canta's S1 stop printing once duration is out

S1 is built for Redep

S2 for laning

[near folio]

Yes but it should get u a lot of dp in the process

[jovial nest]

yes

[soft crystal]

Canta will make as much dp as a myrtle over time if using s1 and she gets to attack for the whooole duration

[near folio]

And all u have to do is drop cantabile again when shes up

[molten swan]

Redep vg for laning sounds counter-intuitive

[soft crystal]

But youre also spending dp constantly

[jovial nest]

S1 is a good point due to ASPD buff

[molten swan]

Canta scales better with the 1st buff

[soft crystal]

I think youre better off using 1 flag

[near folio]

Oh right, canta might mess you up on tight situations

Yeah myrtle is better

U can use the downtime between patriot and mephisto to reset flag

Anyways ur gonna delay deployment on mephisto if u are spawnkilling

[molten swan]

Mfw

[jovial nest]

wait wut? But i didn't win ultimate....

is it ultimate if only 3 HP?

[near folio]

U get it as long as u clear the wave

[jovial nest]

oh no leaks?

[near folio]

Idk

It says it can be used if u cleared the wave before

[latent monolith]

You need to clear the wave that's it

No need to complete the stage

[jovial nest]

WM just solo'd Patriot Phase 1 with ASPD and the wave buff....

[near folio]

Its fun turning it on and watching chen kill phase 2 patriot in one S3

[mild whale]

it's nice when seeing people still using thorn in TN

[near folio]

I use Lappland instead

She handles wave 4 better

I think

[mild whale]

helidrop for life

I barely have more than 3 op on the field. normally only 2

[jovial nest]

buff made GG survive Patriot's throw....

[near folio]

I usually have everyone out

[mild whale]

another example of Schwaz better

[storm current]

what was EX9 CM modifier again

[mild whale]

i heard it's 20%

[latent monolith]

EX 9

[storm current]

no

the specific modifier

not the stat buff

[latent monolith]

Tile ban

5 tiles around the blue box

[storm current]

[mild whale]

wut modifier

[latent monolith]

and 2 tiles near the left and right red box

[storm current]

ex7

[latent monolith]

Oh 7

[mild whale]

bruh ex9 moment

[latent monolith]

What is it again? haven't done that CM yet

[storm current]

EX7

uh

sheesh

[latent monolith]

Like what is the condition

[near folio]

Uhh

I forgor

Oh

The trucks have longer duration on their passive

[storm current]

thats what i ask

[near folio]

The sobering machines

[storm current]

oh

[glass monolith]

Red shit car stay on nitro longer

[latent monolith]

Oh yeah

[storm current]

easy then

[latent monolith]

That's irrelevant

[storm current]

but shees

[latent monolith]

[storm current]

spider does too much dmg now

even without exploding

my lapp cant solo

[near folio]

Just use healer

[latent monolith]

Just

Can't be taking too much damage if invulnerable

[glass monolith]

Jaye tanks them on e1 max

With s1

[near folio]

U can clear top lane with a medic defender, healer and lappland top left facing right

Then u have 5 slots to deal with the red trucks and bot lane

[latent monolith]

You just need some form of CC

I randomly decided to borrow ebenholz he solod them, one shot even

[near folio]

Idk

[latent monolith]

So that leaves me with 7 slots

[near folio]

I just dropped surtr on them

[latent monolith]

Iirc indigo also works on those cars

Mystic caster moment

[near folio]

Wonder if hellagur can solo them with S2

Nvm they have A defense

Its not happening

[storm current]

leak lol

[latent monolith]

Yeah they have like 1.1k def without CM modifier iirc

[jovial nest]

finally got ideal setup early for Wave 4

[storm current]

ok

you mean the car

not spider

i wonder if gummy can solo them

[near folio]

Those cars rails anything

[molten swan]

Gg will be killed

[near folio]

Unless u have an actual defender supported by a healer

[molten swan]

Oh wait

Hang on

[jovial nest]

i just realized

i'm dropping Surtr

[molten swan]

Does mandra attack ranged on phase 1

[jovial nest]

with S3 immediately

[molten swan]

Wait bere

[latent monolith]

Likely not

[jovial nest]

for prio

she beams

[near folio]

Just drop surtr or ntr

[storm current]

mandra has range attack by default

1 tile radius

[jovial nest]

i effed up

should've been on bottom

sigh

well

infinite tries

[molten swan]

Ok just checked

Gg safe

[near folio]

Tbh

[molten swan]

She doesnt do ranged on p1

[near folio]

Just delay that second sp battery at the top

[jovial nest]

she ain'rt

[latent monolith]

1500 atk 1.2s atk interval without CM mod

[jovial nest]

you lied!

[lethal dragon]

Lol

[storm current]

i meant the spider

[near folio]

Drop surtr first before u put down the battery

Wait

[storm current]

[near folio]

But if surtr dies the ground turns gold

Nvm

[jovial nest]

the setup is dead

an earnest try it is

[lethal dragon]

Even if she didn't do range attack in 2nd phase GG will be crushed under the pillar

[near folio]

Thats what pozy is for

[molten swan]

Lmao

[near folio]

Wait no

That spot is dead

https://youtu.be/gDF0h1Fm2LA

Alright finally, my scuffed clear is out

[storm current]

try this pozy spot

mandra camp on those 2 tile

and only has 1 tile range so wont hit pozy

[jovial nest]

ok

lets try that again

[lethal dragon]

Ultimate trial mephisto reminded me of m8-8 cm

[jovial nest]

EXCEPT GG has best setup

sigh

[lethal dragon]

Lol

[jovial nest]

I'm also going Poze

[near folio]

I rather have pozy at extreme left, so she can shoot after mandra drops the pillar on herself

[molten swan]

Oh yeah uh

She can be placed

Bottom left