r-i-i-c

[ionic ridge]

I still dont get how kernel works. does everybody get the same kernel shop?

[astral tiger]

everyone has the same kernel banner except for when kernel locating is up

during that u yourself can choose which ops to be in the banner (although it's from a selection of kernel ops I believe)

through that u can choose which ops to show up in the shop as well

[ionic ridge]

are there any base upgrades that take time?

[rigid plume]

No.

Idk why timer exists.

If it ends immediately.

[vagrant blaze]

back in the day

[ionic ridge]

I haven't unlocked lv5 control center yet

Meaning I don't have my 4th dorm

Will I have problems keeping up morale? I also don't have lv3 anything

[crystal dagger]

I got useless unemployment Lapp… so I need to get the caster from ticket and 200 spark rosmanties next time. I got the 5 stars healer for the base 3 piece rosmanties setup in mind

[stiff fox]

hey guys, this is my current base set up but i'd like to upgrade my training room, what should i downgrade to get the required power?
https://www.krooster.com/u/rhiraswen

[stiff fox]

i'm trying to maximize the lmd i get

[crystal dagger]

Your right side should be 1313 or 2313 with proviso. Not much you can do at this point beside take off a dorm

[stiff fox]

downgrade?

[crystal dagger]

Show your ride side for sec

[stiff fox]

nothing is level 2 aside workshop that is lvl3 and tr is lvl 1 i want to 3 it

[crystal dagger]

1313 mean workshop and training room 3 and you can still have all your left side be max level 3

Just run with 3 dorm

[stiff fox]

a 3 dorm will mean i cant replenish all my guys

[crystal dagger]

Just get more guy

1313 get like extra 30% over 2313 or a bit less

But 1313 will be 3 dorm

[queen flicker]

so its been a few days since i started using 4 gold pozy team and i'm not liking these reports. idk maybe it was a low roll streak. with proviso and shamare you never know. but before adding pozy team, i was getting very similar lmd with a supposedly worse % tp set up.

my expectacions with 162% proviso were too high

[crystal dagger]

Cuz a level 2 trading post with proviso only like 160-170% and level 3 with good setup is like 190-200%

[crystal dagger]

I think it is capped never able to get more than 8.5K LMD anyway with less than 4 trading post

[vagrant portal]

Who do i use paprika with

[crystal dagger]

Tequila

[vagrant portal]

But i dont have shamare

[stiff fox]

i have no actual idea what youre talking about man im a newbie these numbers dont tell me anything

[vagrant portal]

Who do you use in ur TP? I have the same amount of orders but less LMD

[queen flicker]

like this was a month ago with glasgow team instead. 3 exp 2 gold. i admit this was a high roll streak, usually i get around 67~68k but still i thought going from 102% to 162% on proviso tp would make a huge difference

[astral tiger]

Simply put: If you want to keep your left side maxed and get training room to lvl 3, u have to remove a dorm.
Your only other choice is to downgrade a tp to lvl 2 (if u have proviso) to get the spare power for lvl 3 training room

[astral tiger]

u can use her in cc

if u dont already have a 7% tp booster in cc

no point if u are using one since that buff doesn't stack

[vagrant portal]

Hmm i have amiya

[astral tiger]

you can use paprika for your substitute cc team then

[queen flicker]

kirara shamare tequila on one tp and proviso pozy tuye on the other

[stiff fox]

i do have proviso, should i do that?

[astral tiger]

yes, it's viable to use proviso in lvl 2 tp

[astral tiger]

I guess the difference aint that much since you are droning prov tp anyways

so that extra efficiency doesn't give that much of an impact

also by not using tailoring op, u are nerfing tequila quite a bit

u can prob check to see how much 4 gold orders u are even getting in sham tp with taht setup

[vagrant portal]

Is this good or bad? 3 gold 2 exp

[astral tiger]

it's good

exp can be better

[round lichen]

I quite like Tequila’s damage, he can reliably fight most bosses up to year 4 with his tankiness and high DPH, but he CANNOT be your only 3-block op in any stage with moderately tanky enemies
And even if you don’t have Shamare, you can still use him when droning a Lv 3 TP. Certainly not worth E2ing him just for that, but if you’re going to use him in combat anyway, it wouldn’t hurt to do that

[rigid plume]

Perfect condition.

You can push for EXP, ye.

In terms on LMD, it's flawless.

[queen flicker]

well actually now that i remember, i think this was also before using dead lancet on 3 out of 4 shifts. losing %pp hurts proviso drones

[astral tiger]

I see

guess I will try using teq a bit more

[astral tiger]

can prob try using eun weedy and purestream

[queen flicker]

i have m3 mod3 teq

[astral tiger]

to avoid ded lancet

I do not have mod or masteries on him so prob that's why he felt kinda weak maybe?

still will try using him again anyways

[queen flicker]

now that you mentions it, why am i using dead lancet in the first place 🤔
automation with dead lancet and greyy alter is 145%. without greyy alter or with lancet alive is still a respectable 130%

[astral tiger]

it is higher % but yeah u dont need that much gold % lol

3 facs can keep up with droning prov

teq doesn't really benefit much from mastery sad

it's like 7k extra phys dmg over skill duration

if enemy has 0 def

overall does seem some respectable dmg

[astral tiger]

ok wait I did not account for him hitting multiple enemies

guess it's good then

[queen flicker]

tequila was my mvp on my earlier days. nowdays i don't use him as much tho

[astral tiger]

I mean yeah if u have the recent ops he becomes obsolete

was just thinking for a newbie how good he is

since he's the best 5* unit to use the lvl 80 token on

just cuz of his class..

[queen flicker]

yeah on my experience he is great

[astral tiger]

time to change your setup

[queen flicker]

you know i always think my set up is done and eventually always find a way to improve something. managing base never ends

[astral tiger]

happens

[queen flicker]

what if i just get rid of eunectes and lancet 🤔
115% with greyy alter.
i know it loses too much gold % for a small pp % gain but if i'm going to alternate bewteen 4 gold 1 exp/ 2 gold 3 exp setups anyway, id rather have that extra % pp for drones right? and a cc slot too (which idk for what yet)

[stiff fox]

so downgrading one tp will be the move here, right?

[astral tiger]

yes

[astral tiger]

Why get rid of eun

I was talking about using eun in fac btw

eun purestream and weedy

[queen flicker]

i have snegu

[astral tiger]

shit I thought she was 40%

in that case it doesn't really matter what u use right

eun/snegu

[queen flicker]

true. i meant not using eunectes in cc

[astral tiger]

ye

[queen flicker]

like even if lancet is alive, lancet still 10%. could use a 20% there

[astral tiger]

lancet is only paired with eun anyways

wouldn't use her there without eun

[queen flicker]

🤔

staggering automation team feels a bit cursed

[astral tiger]

why not use snegu in 3rd shift?

oh wait staggered

💀

well damn

[queen flicker]

oh forgot snegu in one shift

[astral tiger]

yeah eun 3rd shift aint worth

use snegu there

[queen flicker]

yeah 4 ops staggering, i forgot snegu there

[astral tiger]

how do you plan to use weedy for 4 shifts tho

is it really worth to stagger this team

wait why dont u switch back to 2 exp

u dont need 4 gold 💀

I just noticed that cursed vermeil gold team

[queen flicker]

fixed the typo

[astral tiger]

u dont need that much gold

[queen flicker]

but pozy 🥵

[astral tiger]

forgor

[queen flicker]

its actually a bit hard to calc how much % has automation in those shifts. it depends if greyy alter is on or not. because greyy alter is doing 2/3 shifts and every automation op 3/4 shifts.

purestream and snegu are constant % atleast, but weedy and eunectes varies

max is 115 with weedy snegu purestream and greyy alter. and min is 80 with weedy snegu eun and no greyy alter

[astral tiger]

80 is bad ngl

u dont have a better alternative rotation?

actually why do u have to sub automation in fac 2, vermeil lasts 60hrs

surely something can be adjusted here

[queen flicker]

i always try to share sub teams between facilities if posible to save on dorm space and for easy rotations. most teams follow a 3/4 shifts uptime. but some do 2/3 or 4/5 like vermeil and bubble. these are hard for me to "sync" with the rest of the base

[queen flicker]

this looks cursed better

and this when 3 exp 2 gold

[pallid isle]

max left alllowing you to use sneg

[round lichen]

Weedy Eun Sneg can work in XP

[ionic ridge]

How useful is sneg's base skill? Why would I want capacity instead of efficiency?

[queen flicker]

oh thats true thanks

[jaunty notch]

yeah basically pas gets more reasons to get thrown into the trash

[ionic ridge]

what are the chances I'll get castle-3 if I just do a guard tag 3h50m recruitment?

[jaunty notch]

low but not impossible

[ionic ridge]

whats the specific number? are 1* more common than 3* when recruiting?

[jaunty notch]

it's just based on the pool you're given

and since there's no guard 2* you have a better chance too

[ionic ridge]

Is it just a flat 1/4 chance then?

[jaunty notch]

no

you have a chance to get 1234 stars

remove 2*, it's a 1/3 you get 1, 3 and 4

counting aside actual codes, that 1/3 imo isn't even real

since the guard roster for 3 and 4* is way bigger

[ionic ridge]

how many people do I need for a rotation?
like each lv3 factory idealy gets 6 workers, 2 shifts of 3 right?

[ionic ridge]

also theres 0 reason not to get the best exp I can right

like, no making drill battle records in lv 2 factories, etc

[astral tiger]

her cap isn't the useful thing, her only benefit is being usable with weedy, eunectes and purestream since they don't nullify each other's efficiency

[round lichen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0si4HMQuYBo&pp=0gcJCQQLAYcqIYzv

And the most efficient option is to produce the yellow XP. They may be some niche interaction where the others don’t cap the factory as fast, but with how early you are in the game, capping factories probably won’t be an issue as long as you’re logging in twice a day

[sturdy rampart]

so if a day i generate 40k from TP per day, i still have minus 50k+ LMD?

[sturdy rampart]

how much is bare minimum of LMD i must have?

[magic mica]

Kinda more than just 50k since you should factor in the loss of LMD production during that time

[oblique birch]

it seems that trust from base only works from one place? eg if they're working and in activity room they won't get extra? anyone know if that's the same for working/activityroom/CC assistants? or for trust purposes do we just put people who don't do work in our activity rooms?

[frank cipher]

in base +1
in CC assistant +1
in activity room +1
idk but that +3 trust

[oblique birch]

oh they can get one from all 3? one of our activity room ops wasn't highlighted when we claimed trust

unless it was because they get from all 3 but it only lights up one of their locations?

could also be alter stuff, but if they can get all 3 then shouldn't do that

as we didn't have both kroos and kroos alter in activity room

[round lichen]

You won’t be trading 600 orundum per day unless you’re committing 2 or 3 TPs to orundum, in which case your issue is that your shards get burned through much faster than you can produce. Generally you can make 3 pulls per week, so you need 288k LMD/week, you make 280k LMD/week, so net loss of 8k LMD/week or 2.6k LMD/pull. with the LMD from daily missions, friend credit shop, stage clear rewards, etc. you will be slightly positive, but as Azure says, the lost LMD from switching your TP to orundum will also have an impact

[crystal dagger]

How long it take for the tailor to wram up ? I wanna do fia 007 on the tequila team

[vernal palm]

5 hours

[ionic ridge]

so capicity increases are completely useless without vermeil right?

maybe popukar likes them?

also because of her morale drain, popukar must be banished to the lv2 factory, where rotations are less strict right

either that or get paired with morale raising ops always

also what counts as elite material in the workshop

should I get a lv 3 trading post or lv3 factory first?

[frank cipher]

Verm optimum in lvl3
Verm duo in lvl2 just 50% worse as 2 25%

[round lichen]

I don’t think you need Popukar unless your account is less than a week old, if you look at #bot-spam message you can see plenty of ops that give 25 or 30 without any drawbacks. If you do have to use her, Lv 3 Fac has better Morale Drain reduction and higher capacity

Elite materials are things like orirocks, polyester, crystal, etc. Any farmable material that gets used for Elite promotions, skill levels, or modules counts

[peak ledge]

You can make 500 orundum a day if you have at least 109% productivity so 6 pulls a week is doable.

[round lichen]

Doing napkin math, it makes sense that 10 orundum/hour x 2.09 efficiency x 24 hours would get you 500 orundum, but looking at my personal base reports I don’t recall ever seeing 500 average/day being a realistic goal. We have plenty of 40% workers now, so uptime shouldn’t be an issue with e.g. Lemuen Exu Kichisei, Underflow Hoederer Snowsant. Not sure why I was unable to reach 500

Could just be misremembering how good it really was

[frank cipher]

150% probably could get it done. run 134% + drone 2 order just to get clean 600 Ao

[peak ledge]

That's on you I guess. I'm currently doing orundum farming now for Wang and I get consistent report

[peak ledge]

I'd rather drone Proviso to get back the lost LMD 😆

[rigid plume]

<@&586570970345635868>

[spring drift]

Is it better to drone tequila team or proviso?

[rigid plume]

Proviso

Her orders ends faster and she gives only 4s and 5s.

[spring drift]

Thanks

Also should i use fiametta to keep 100% uptime tequila team or proviso?

[hasty tiger]

You can do both if you have mylnar and 1/2 smiley in the cc

With 12 hour cycle I keep shamare/tequila/proviso up 24/7

[spring drift]

What is your cc?

[hasty tiger]

I will admit I have to rest proviso occasionally so it might not be 24/7 exactly with just one smiley

But I also don't have a 100% consistent 12 hour cycle

I'm often late

[spring drift]

Oh i didn't think about this comp thanks 🙂

[hasty tiger]

Eun only needs to be there if you're running automation obviously

[spring drift]

Yeah yeah

[hasty tiger]

There's better teams for sure but I lack components

This does alright for me tho

[spring drift]

Wish i had this stats🥲

[hasty tiger]

Just takes time. I've been around longer and can spend resources on worthless ops that are only for base

[spring drift]

Yeah i still need to do a lot of progression and thanks again

[oblique birch]

is there anyone else other than jaye who should be left at E0?

[wicked canopy]

Kafka, but for combat rather than base reasons

[dense crypt]

What's the best place for closure to join in on my TP?

My tp team so far is:

Main team:
Shamare team
Proviso Lemune Exusiai

Backup team :
Texas Lappland Jaye
Archetto Vigil Quartz

My thoughts is that closure replaces Jaye. Even tho her efficiency is really high, the Texas team is the only one with a limit of 12 rather than 10, and I feel like id overcap all the time if I put her on a limit 10 team

I also don't think I can make any high efficiency team that also happens to have high limits

[tulip rivet]

Question, is this also a discussion who to E2 for base stuff?

[jaunty notch]

since jaye is only back up/low work time. It's fine to leave it as they are, but if you're capping often then it's better to just have a 90% team instead. Adding closure to that team will just reduce your profit much more

Instead, use Ramper Shamare Closure

for the 1st 5 hours

so you prevent any 2/3 orders before the ramper starts working

[dense crypt]

Which team do you mean that I should use a 90% team? I don't usually cap on my current two teams, but I think, if I add closure, I would, since it brings my cap time down to just around 9 hours

[dense crypt]

What is ramper? Is it an op with ramping efficiency skill. If I do that how does it stop me from overcapping?

[jaunty notch]

Closure is still weaker than Jaye team, so don't worry too much about it

[jaunty notch]

yes. You use closure only to make sure you don't lose profit in shamare team. That's it

[astral tiger]

If you're asking who to e2 for base then proviso and shamare are top contenders

[dense crypt]

I'm running the standard Sharmare team of Shamare Tequila Kafka. If I replace it with closer and a 30%er, the wouldn't I again have the problem of capping?

[jaunty notch]

only for the first 5 hours, then you use the normal shamare team

[dense crypt]

I'm running a 2 team rotation so the time between each team would be way longer than 5 hours

[jaunty notch]

then you don't need to add closure

she's only a side grade to tequila afterall

[dense crypt]

Fair enough I guess. I always heard closure's effective efficiency is really high, so I thought itd be higher than Jaye, who is probably only around 36%-ish

Or even quarts who is 34% flat

[jaunty notch]

you can look up gongsun's video for it

[dense crypt]

I think on average, my rotation is 16 hours. I log in around once every 8 hours to collect, and rest half my ops. Times vary a lot tho

[jaunty notch]

then it's not a problem, even with 252 you can safely collect in 8 hours

[dense crypt]

Sometimes I max even with my current setup. So I'm not sure how often it would happen if I put closure in Shamare team

8 might be optimistic. I never actually counted directly, but I can usually manage to log in once before my op morale is fully drained

[queen flicker]

🫡

[astral tiger]

nice

finally improved lol

[queen flicker]

yeah extra % pp doing some work

now im just missing mlynar to improve kirara uptime

[astral tiger]

good luck

[wide nexus]

i still can't manage my base well, so sad seeing my numbers so low

[ionic ridge]

wait when an op has "morale consumed per hour" modifiers does that apply to themself or everyone?

popukar and aroma's self morale drain means they cant work 36 hour shifts right?

[ionic ridge]

And there's nothing I can do about that huh

[astral tiger]

themselves

iirc only shamare reduces everyone's morale consumption but it mentions total morale

[astral tiger]

gotta pair them with waai fu, she removes negative md affects

allowing them to work normal durations

[ionic ridge]

doesnt that only prevent her own concumption from changing?

[astral tiger]

wait...

[ionic ridge]

I dont actually have her im just reading stuff off the wiki

[astral tiger]

ok it's worded like that but she removes other ops self md too

[ionic ridge]

ah, and people like beanstalk dont h elp right

[astral tiger]

nah it's self MR

only mlynar and the like can help

[ionic ridge]

huh why doesnt the base combos guide mention waai fu teams at all

her e2 skill is mentioned as good but her e0 skill isnt

also funny how the one singular character who cant get her morale drain rate reduced gets a faction morale drain rate buff she cant use

[astral tiger]

it's mentioned in the bin section

with aroma

[ionic ridge]

I guess she's just washed then

[pallid isle]

idk what exactly that means. shes a 40% general worker so shes still in most main set ups and aroma is one of the best gold makers still to date

[ionic ridge]

she's in the bin which means if you have every op in the game shes suboptimal

[pallid isle]

[astral tiger]

I meant the bin section in the docs

which is the archive

😭

[pallid isle]

I would suggest looking at the bin again

That's all I gotta say

[ionic ridge]

why does the doc need an archive?
its because the baseslave meta is suprisingly competitve and she got pushed out

anyway I dont have any e2 units yet. should I build a second office instead of a training room and deconstruct it later

or is that like permanent

[pallid isle]

All right side upgrades are permanent and office is the worst thing to upgrade

And no waaifu is still meta

40% workers are still meta

[astral tiger]

but she isn't pushed out

[ionic ridge]

no I meant. in the b305 slot

[astral tiger]

40% unit isn't common

also u can't build a 2nd office

[pallid isle]

I misunderstood

He doesn't just wanna cook himself

He wants to deep fry himself

[ionic ridge]

then why does it give me the option???

[astral tiger]

isn't it capped at 1/1

[ionic ridge]

huh yeah it is

but like. why does the right side of the base even have these options

imagine if you can just not build the workshop and get bricked

[astral tiger]

would be very goofy of them to let a player accidentally lock themselves out of masteries forever

I mean it's capped to prevent the account from getting bricked

unless u meant something else

[ionic ridge]

no i just got confused because it made me choose a room when I was about to build my training facility

[astral tiger]

I see

they just didn't bother removing the option completely when building

but it's still capped at least

[ionic ridge]

and my train of thought was "hey maybe the game will let me build a second office and im allowed to downgrade rooms if I have more than one of them"
I didnt see the 1/1

[astral tiger]

that train of thought does make sense

but yeah unfortunately they dont let u downgrade right side

[ionic ridge]

I understand not letting you downgrade workshop but everything else?

[astral tiger]

Prob some janky code idk

[ionic ridge]

same reason why "time needed" still shows up when upgrading

[astral tiger]

can't exactly imagine what the hell they did with the base to not give that feature all this time

cuz left side can get downgraded

ig since right side is tied to more permanent stuff

yk what that's probably it

imagine someone just removing training room to get more power

building it back when they need some masteries

or even workshop

or even if not removing, just downgrading it

they get to enjoy max left base while also getting m3, and I guess the devs didn't like that idea

or could be just because of friend slots from reception room, office extra recruitment slots somehow fucking up the game if removed/downgraded

boiled down to janky code in the end but you get the point

[pallid isle]

Jank code and HG being best friends for eternity

[astral tiger]

[dense crypt]

When paired with 2 generic 40% efficiency boost in tp, is closure or Proviso higher efficiency?

The guide I saw claimed that at tp level 3 and 80% boost, closure is better than Proviso

[astral tiger]

proviso

with closure you wont make as much lmd as proviso but u do save gold

although closure will be better if u somehow keep hitting 4 gold orders with proviso a lot of times

that scenario will never likely happen but thought I'd mention it anyway

[astral tiger]

got kinda curious so made this extremely organized and extremely realistic scenario

assuming 97% eff for closure and 87% for prov

[valid storm]

so, Closure is worse than the shady lawyer?

[astral tiger]

in terms of pure lmd, yes

[valid storm]

I knew that she was trash

[astral tiger]

😭

[valid storm]

oh, and @orchid bane since you usually asks for the shop info of the new events, you are fcked beyond hope for this event:

[orchid bane]

Nasti ?

[valid storm]

Yes, the Nasti event

[orchid bane]

Wth

[valid storm]

it's a nasty shop

[orchid bane]

[upbeat fossil]

skip lmd and you're good most of the time

that's 700 san iirc

[magic mica]

That's a stacked shop

[upbeat fossil]

nowadays i always skip lmd and exp

and most mats

[queen flicker]

finally a high roll

[astral tiger]

stonks

[round lichen]

No, the bin exists to move the descriptions from the NEW tab after the operators have been released. Because they’re no longer “new.” Aroma is still one of the best in the game

[peak ledge]

This is just completely wrong. Proviso makes more LMD the more you hit 4 gold bars instead of 5.

[round lichen]

They mean nat-4, not defaulted-4

The ones that take 90 drones to complete

If you get nat-4s, Proviso provides 0 value since the trade won’t be considered defaulted. Closure gives guaranteed value

[peak ledge]

Ahhh I see.

[magic mica]

Most people keep provisio at lvl 2 TP where nat 4s can't happen at all tho

[round lichen]

Who?

[valid storm]

Provision my beloved

[tulip rivet]

I already e2'd Proviso, Shamare we go then

Awful?

[queen flicker]

why no lmd?

[rigid plume]

WTF

LMD gain where?!

Why Trading Posts are not working at all?

[crystal dagger]

Does lumen dorm effect get buff by grey alt ‘s extra power plant effect ?

[jaunty notch]

yes

[pearl jackal]

Is 252 still the best endgame base?

[hasty tiger]

Max right or max left 252 still comes out on top

[pearl jackal]

Oh I can max my right for 252 now?

[hasty tiger]

I mean max right is the worst version of 252 but you've always been able to

[pearl jackal]

Ok nvm

[hasty tiger]

I specify because lots of people maxed right long ago and feel like they can't change to 252

[pearl jackal]

Also Wut are the best endgame combos for each type of facility in 252?

Is this in order of ranking or...

[hasty tiger]

It's going to be different based on what you have

The %s are listed with each group

You're gonna have to work out a rotation between ops you have, who you're willing to e2 (most not suggested unless you really enjoy base stuff or some not meta ops) and so forth

There's plenty of really great combos that include absolutely ass for combat units that have a return on investment in the decades

Absolute peak efficiency is not going to be place and forget it setups

[magic mica]

<@&586570970345635868>

[tulip rivet]

I just grabbed them a minute ago, lol

[pallid isle]

[astral tiger]

[silver wyvern]

does lemuen get two bonus if you have both exu?

[astral tiger]

no

[rigid plume]

Unfortunately ExuAlt is Penguin, so she cannot benefit herself and normal Exusiai, since they're not Laterano.

Use normal Exusiai instead with Lemuen.

[pale yoke]

[crystal dagger]

Very good

[crystal dagger]

Man those 252 give extra 15K lmb a day is insane. Seeing those pics

[rigid plume]

Cool base.

[crystal dagger]

Sadly not mine

The complete 252 just so strong

Hopefully I can work on that on my CN account one day to reach that (in a year)? Too painful to grind for pull and do everything manually on CN new account

Get used to faceroll everything on my stacked EN account

[queen flicker]

what is the trading post rotation on that?

[astral tiger]

def cursing

[queen flicker]

do you know aproximately whats the theorical max lmd on 252 max left?

without cursing

i'd say 75~76k

[crystal dagger]

nah that would be like close to 100K instead of just 80K

[queen flicker]

whats the team?

[silver wyvern]

unfortunately i have a max right 252 and not that much good ops

working on getting miss christine since I'm bottle necked by exp

[astral tiger]

no way you're gonna reach 100k consistently on a 252

[silver wyvern]

i have tequila but no shamare is there any other way to use tequila?

[astral tiger]

no normal way to use him

[silver wyvern]

F

[astral tiger]

your base is decent too dw

exp can be improved

lmd will get better once u have shamare

[silver wyvern]

ye i hope so

also proviso already make my gold production barely positive

currently running 2 exp with the lvl3 fact making exp so i can make use of vermeil and tragodia

[astral tiger]

you would need like 110+ gold to make sure u can consistently drone proviso

assuming u have normal workers for her

[silver wyvern]

tough

[astral tiger]

for max right yeah u need good teams for it

[silver wyvern]

please just let us downgrade the right side

[astral tiger]

can forget about that

more likely to get a pc client

[silver wyvern]

are there like a lot of good 2 person base combo

sheet has a lot of 3 person

[astral tiger]

there isn't really a 2 person combo

closest thing u got to a combo is aroma + waai fu for gold

and ig the automation team since they wont work with others

other than that u just put the best workers u got

[silver wyvern]

gotcha

welp i gotta level up more gold worker so i can take them off the standardization skills then

[astral tiger]

actually dorothy team exists... but u get my point

[silver wyvern]

alsoo uh does bryop work with a lvl2 fact

[astral tiger]

he does but better to just put him in lvl 3

to maximize the bonus

you are using 2 lvl 3 exp fac right? I don't think u need the 2nd one to be in lvl 3

[silver wyvern]

max right 252 only get access to 1 level 3 fact

[astral tiger]

u dont have proviso?

[silver wyvern]

currently its using a vermeil preset and every other exp worker

[silver wyvern]

i do

i let the other 3 lvl2 fact make gold

[astral tiger]

then u can downgrade her tp to upgrade a fac

[silver wyvern]

i dont have fiametta to continuosly keep her trade up is that ok

[astral tiger]

yeah it is fine

just save the drones for her

[silver wyvern]

also does that mean everytime i rotate i would have to level up the tp again?

[astral tiger]

no lol

just let it be

[silver wyvern]

oke thanks

[astral tiger]

so with that u can run vermeil combo and bryo combo in your 2 facs

[silver wyvern]

i guess i can preset the other with uh

i guess exialt and lemuen will be highest efficiency for it?

as a lvl2 fact

[astral tiger]

that's just a 60% combo

who are u pairing with proviso?

[silver wyvern]

no clue, what do you have on mind

[astral tiger]

do u have a 40% worker?

if not, get quartz from the red cert shop, e1 her and that's a 34% worker for a cheap cost

well regardless just get her for a substitute ig

[silver wyvern]

oke

[astral tiger]

do u have normal exu btw?

not her alter

[silver wyvern]

no unfortunately

[astral tiger]

if u have og exu at e2 then u can pair her with lemuen

ah rip

[silver wyvern]

does minimalist base skill only work with a 243 base

[rigid plume]

Yes.

He needs full builded base for his 64 stacks.

[silver wyvern]

seemsssssss subar trade off only for him to work, btw on average how much extra efficiency does a factory in a 243 need to be equal to the extra fac / lower level fac in a max right 252

[astral tiger]

100 + whatever extra efficiency you would have in the extra 252 fac

which is not possible

like if your extra fac in 252 has units giving it 90% efficiency then one of your facs in 243 need to have extra 190% efficiency

I think

it would be that amount or would need more

[tender ravine]

Between best 243 and best 252 max right. I have 1% less from 252 max right if include everything that relate to base, but have to rotate 3 times a day.

[silver wyvern]

ough okay

[wise yoke]

Guys i think i made a mistake, i accidentally maxed out the right side, since i needed to do to complete the missions with texas, so i switched to 252, am i missing too much productivity?

[rigid plume]

Nah

Max right 252 still > 243

[rose knoll]

With all base skills available 243 is about 60% behind 252 MR
https://peteryr.github.io/ak-base-chart/all_skills.html

160% behind max left 252

Full calcs/rotations coming when I have free time to polish things up

[silver wyvern]

that's pretty insane jesus, i assume the gap is calculated at 2 tp lvl3 and not a lvl2 since proviso, then the gap would be much bigger if not by a slight bit yea?

[rose knoll]

It's using lv2 tp proviso in max right, max left has lv3

[silver wyvern]

hm i guess i just need more/better base skill workers then

[tender ravine]

@rose knoll What rotation on 243. 12-12-12 hr?

[rose knoll]

12 hrs for all

Not strictly 3 shifts, some buildings have a 4-shift period

[tender ravine]

Force 243 to do 12 hrs rest is like nerfing on purpose. Minimizing the downtime is what 243 should do.

[crystal dagger]

Can someone explain how to use fia when having both bibeak and diamanté? Can I even use pre-set team? I just wanna instant fill moral on shamare and tequila

[silver wyvern]

i should really figure out the whole rotation thing cus rn i just let them run til the morale is low/the "better" team finish recovering their stuff

also thoughts on if the ave mujica CC skills are worth it even for a short while?

[astral tiger]

u just use fia on shamare tequila and proviso

for bibeak/dia, swap them out when one is about to die

[crystal dagger]

Well you make 10-14K less lmb a day (not max right )342 so similar exp and gold bar as 243 and got a whole extra level 3 trading post

[astral tiger]

worth it if u dont have anything good

also make sure they are on the first slot so u dont accidentally mess up their ramp while refreshing

[crystal dagger]

I know that but I don’t wanna swap manually but also don’t wanna reset the warm up. Can I make 2 team both with similar positions 1, shamare , tequila, bibeak. Team 2 , shamare , tequila , diamanté

[astral tiger]

yes u can

wdym by not swap manually tho?

cuz u will have to manually take out the unit u wanna refresh

[silver wyvern]

i still dont get shift rotation like these, cus the main operators like say proviso will still only work for her maximum amount of time anyway right?

[astral tiger]

this is with fiametta in order to refresh the main units like proviso, shamare and tequila

in this case shamare and tequila can maintain full uptime thanks to fia

[crystal dagger]

So F up that they decide the game for 243 , even bait people doing it. But once you do you are unable to change back…. The mission the common sense on “ maxing out” or the 3rd aid spot, etc to bait you to perma damage your account is insane

[silver wyvern]

oh so if you don't have fia then does it matter

[astral tiger]

if u dont have fia then yes you will have to change all the units

[rose knoll]

Surely they will buff 243 enough to beat all 252 variants eventually

[silver wyvern]

make more unit that scale off of grey alter

or something like that

[rose knoll]

(Fun fact, 243 with infinite Minimalists still loses to 252 by 30%/130%)

[silver wyvern]

[astral tiger]

an extra fac aint no joke

[crystal dagger]

I only got 1 good CC team, my 5 hours down time , well 5.5hours down time is using mujica

[astral tiger]

yeah ave team is just better than nothing type of team

[silver wyvern]

if only tequila and leveled bryo

well i have tequila but no shamare

[astral tiger]

if u stagger your rotations u can make a lot

[tender ravine]

This is 2gold2exp and 3gold1exp 243.

[silver wyvern]

seem to be one of those unit that's banished to the kernel banner

[arctic prism]

you make it sound like you cant run tighter rots on 252 MR for the exact same benefits
if you're going to be using 8-8-8 for 243 in comparison, compare it to an 8-8-8 rot on 252, result is going to be the same
same can be said about 6-6-6-6

nice cherrypicking your best reports man

[crystal dagger]

Oh diamanté and bibeak has to be on first spot? Ofc I am doing fia manually with shamare and tequila. But once bibeak is dry out(while other 2 still at half), can I press the switch team arrow/button on the right ? And not have any ramp up break beside bibeak ‘s ?

[astral tiger]

they dont have to be on the first spot, it's just if you are manually removing and adding the units

like in this case if I remove shamare, notice how tequila goes to spot 2

putting the ramp units on first spot avoids this situation where u accidentally screw it up

[astral tiger]

but, as long as u put the units in the correct slot for the presets like here, u can just use the presets

[tender ravine]

@arctic prism My 243 is simplify for calculation as 16.5/3.5/4 hrs rotation.

[arctic prism]

who are you using fia on

and this is what im saying you're comparing a rotation that uses gladiia vs a rotation that does not

[crystal dagger]

I can’t do proviso I don’t have other high % team Bessie jaye/silverAsh

[arctic prism]

like if you compare custom rot to a basic ass 252 12 hr of course the gap is going to be closer

compare custom rot to custom rot and gap widens again

1% diff is pure cope

[astral tiger]

you dont need that, it's still a 153% efficiency for her with just 30% workers

[crystal dagger]

Don’t we have to manually do Fia on shamare anyway

[tender ravine]

Maybe this 252 rot is not best.

[astral tiger]

yes I meant for adding tbh

for removing it wont matter since putting directly in dorms doesn't affect the slots

[crystal dagger]

When removing I need to put a whatever OP to make sure slot order not change too right ?

[astral tiger]

nah not necessary

one sec I'll show

[crystal dagger]

Still thinking using the selector on fia or ebenholz when I get rosmantis in 5-6 months

[astral tiger]

they don't shift slots this way

[arctic prism]

i mean yeah if you're comparing to a rot that fias 5 ops and uses gladiia vs one that fias 3 and doesnt there's clearly going to be a difference there no?

[tender ravine]

And what is the best rot 252 should do?

I don't considered cursed.

[arctic prism]

idk i curse so i havent bothered checking non curse rot

[crystal dagger]

max dorm let you fia more people?

[arctic prism]

no, just logging in more frequently to fia them

[tender ravine]

@crystal dagger 243 with 20 hrs of Sui can fiam 4 operators.

[arctic prism]

fia doesnt care about dorm level or dorm recovery ops it's just managing morale

[tender ravine]

Fiam at every 12 hrs

[arctic prism]

that's not a 243 exclusive thing man

that applies to any base layout

like I said just managing morale

[astral tiger]

using ops like chongyue, mlynar, wisadel will allow your facility ops to work longer, letting u use fia on more ops

and yeah morale management

[tender ravine]

And I don't know much about 252. I'm just telling him what happened in 243.

[crystal dagger]

my main CC is wis + eterna for similar extention , off team just mujica ( i dont have asclon or mylanr for the other good cc team)

[tender ravine]

And 252 i use in my table is felix1

[crystal dagger]

beside tequli/shmare/proviso doesnt have big target to do so right? really sad they buffing 342 soon and still not allow us to downgrade reception room/office (anyway to start a petition to have the downgrade option)?

with closure being another proviso level man 342 left max just gg

the fuck they make taxes mission for new player is insane bait

[tender ravine]

I think only Proviso/Tequila/Shamare are impactful. The 4th one is not anything that good. Just the 40% for that 1 slot .

[hasty tiger]

How exactly you think you're going to afford the gold to do that for any amount of time lol

No way that's a permanent base setup

[arctic prism]

I wasnt saying that the rotation itself is bad, just that it's not a fair comparison
one is hard locking itself at 12-12-12 rotations, meaning from a morale stand point there's a lot of waste there while yours is significantly more tailored to optimize ops and morale usage

like what you were saying about 12 hr rotations "nerfing on purpose", same applies to 252

[tender ravine]

And when you're compare between 12-12-12 hrs. It's still not fair anyway. Best team can rest under 6 hrs. Why rest 12?

[arctic prism]

then compare 6 hr rots

[tender ravine]

So best 252 and 243 should be compare with.

[arctic prism]

that's the thing, "best" is dependent on how much effort you're willing to put in

you're not limited to 6 hr rots either on 3 pp setups like how you have 3.5 and 4 hr shifts

what im saying is assuming equal effort put in, the difference between 252 and 243 is way bigger than what you're making it out to be

[tender ravine]

Anything that non-cursed 252mr will do what is best.

[arctic prism]

see but like what's the point in even restricting curse at that point
"best" 252 and "best" 243 is going to have short enough login intervals where you might as well just curse

so even for you you have some limit of the amount of effort the rotations should take since you're saying non cursed

and I cant try to read your mind and think hmm this is the best rot I think he'll be okay with

like suis can work 32 hours then you pump whatever your best recovery ops are to get them to recover as fast as your base allows and repeat but that's going to end up with a fluid rotation that doesnt have specific times of day where you have to rotate

like in theory the optimal rotation works more like that where you just use up your best people to exactly their maximum amount then swap them out for the shortest amount of time possible
is anyone going to do that? probably not unless they only think about base 24/7 without even sleeping but it is the "best" rot

[tender ravine]

Maybe best is too far. Still it should be best and practical so people can copy that.

I know that 252 still better right now. But how better it is not many people known.

So I just wait and see how Peter come up with his numbers.

[arctic prism]

he told you how, by comparing 12 hr rots

which you said wasnt good enough

but your level of practical isnt going to be the same as everyone elses

to someone who only cares about 12 hour rots that's just the correct answer

practical is a spectrum

[tender ravine]

I think it is no point we define "best" meaning.

Come up with good example, compare, conclude. Period.

Numbers will tell.

I know 252 is still better, but just wonder how is that numbers come up. With what assumption.

[arctic prism]

if that's all you're curious about just make 6 hr rots for 252 and 243 and compare there

[tender ravine]

And that exactly what I already do. 243 16.5-3.5-4 and 252mr 12-12-12. If 252 come up with a good 6-6-6-6 rot, numbers will change.

Sleeping 6 hrs is not good anyway.

[arctic prism]

no im saying make them both 6 hrs just for comparison

the point isnt to have a "practical" rotation it's just to compare difference between the two layouts

[tender ravine]

No, come up with the best 252 and a practical one.

[arctic prism]

have an even playing field compare differene

what ive been trying to tell you this entire time

is that what you specifically consider practical

isnt practical for everyone else

so only you can come up with a rot that you consider to be practical

for 252

which is why im saying if you're trying to deviate from the 12 hr rotations for one, do it for the other too in a way that's equal effort

otherwise there's no point in comparing

like we might as well be saying 12 hr 243 > 24 hr 252

or 24 hr 513 > never logs in 252

[tender ravine]

Okay I give up. Just compare that 12 hrs.

Gato also have a 252 17-7-12 hrs version. But it is cursed.

[crystal dagger]

Not hypergrypg, they are super slow on the non flashy updates. Also they already release a few operators to benefit from max reception/ dorm/office. but the value given was extremely low that like they don’t even know the game they designed. And making people forced to reroll might make them more money anyway

[crystal dagger]

Maybe Mr.nothing but the other parts work with him might not have moral up

[crystal dagger]

Should be fine with closure being 2nd proviso. Just do 4 gold and 3 gold switch from time to time. Most event given enough experience for E2 1 character at a time

How can we get hypergryph to change / balance the base setup tho? Like for real any mail or go bomb their office building ?

[magic mica]

If they want to 'buff' 243 they'd need to introduce an op that has insane gold production - that is the main reason 252 is superior today since you need that production to satisfy proviso's demand

[pallid isle]

combined with the benefits of a level 3 tp and a level 2 tp with proviso aren't that far apart assuming standard teams

we just need a minamlist with +50% gold instead of +5%

i kinda am half joking but kinda am waiting for them to eventually release another mistake that increases produciton by many times whats intended

its gonna be the pepe combo trust me guys

[jaunty notch]

that makes 243 produces twice as much but thrice on 252 right?

that's what proviso was

[jaunty notch]

if you want to really add AH into the maths, my self1 can just assume there's proviso and teq team in there and uses the felix fac line up instead. It's not that different @arctic prism

though if you have the time i'd appreciate it more if you help me brainstorm how to add zima in

[arctic prism]

For that I didnt understand where he was getting 1% prod diff from but then later realized he's probably talking about sanity value output or smth

bc from what i remember people were talking about the % prod diff between 252MR and 243 and my mans came in with the "actually my rots are only 1% off from 252"

[tender ravine]

Yes, Sanity Value

[jaunty notch]

though now that i think of it i can simply replace trag 35% with leto zima and call it a day

[arctic prism]

Yeah I saw
My question then becomes why are you bringing up 1% sanity value difference when everyone else is talking about raw factory prod% in a way that can so easily be misinterpreted by players who don't know any better

Like the conversation was very clearly about fac% when people are giving percentage differences like 90% 190% 60% 160%

[tender ravine]

Don't you think it is far too wrong when putting something like 190% diffenent factory when you know gap is only 1%

[arctic prism]

I mean clearly everyone is on the same page and understand that it's fac% difference they're talking about

[summer kernel]

Did anyone look into if Fia-ing Sham, Teq was still worth it once Closure arrives?

[astral tiger]

should be worth it, sham team is slightly better even if accounting for the ramp up

closure is mainly good for newbies or fia-less people

unless u wanna switch between 2 and 3 tp every so often

[summer kernel]

I was hoping someone ran the numbers bc I'd like to save those two fia refreshes if it's barely better. From my recollection, closure can outright beat sham team but it was release day napkin math

[astral tiger]

I didn't math it out, I just mapped out a 36hr scenario on how the orders would go

if u luck out to get 3 non 4-gold orders in the 36hr scenario, still shamare would be better/equal at most

closure does end up saving more gold

like 1 to 4 bars more than sham team

wont be too accurate but should give a fair idea

[wise yoke]

Guys i think i made a mistake, i accidentally maxed out the right side, since i needed to do to complete the missions with texas, so i switched to 252, am i missing too much productivity?

[astral tiger]

maxed right 252 is still better than 243

[astral tiger]

Oh but I did not account for droning btw

was too lazy for that

this was purely if u just let them two be for 36hrs

drones may change this, not sure in favour of who

but seeing how close it was, maybe closure ends up being better due to consuming less drones?

[summer kernel]

Why are we talking about luck? And I think sham Teq actually saves more gold bars than Closure

[tender ravine]

Is 252 usually Fiam 3 opertors, right?

Just thinking of something like Proviso-Closure-WaaiFu-Aroma. But it is 4 targets.

[jaunty notch]

aroma needs cyue and such for full 24/7

in a lv2, either you put her in the same time as waaifu and lose a lot of prod, or let her ramp then waaifu

[summer kernel]

I just do 12hr shifts so I currently do the standard Prov, Sham, Teq but I was thinking Proviso, Umiri, Bryo once Closure becomes an alt or the main secondary TP

[jaunty notch]

but she is barely open

[astral tiger]

cuz full ramp doesn't guarantee 4 gold each time no?

also I forgot to mention, this assumes that u will have 2 40% units up with closure

[summer kernel]

Waaifu may actually be a good Fia candidate

[summer kernel]

Yeah but on avg you'll get the Teq effect 85% of the time. So when you do the math, each gold bar makes more than the 600lmd/bar that closure does

[astral tiger]

Like I said, I didn't bother mathing it out to see which is better, I just took a 36hr time frame and put each order in

while trying to account for the % chances of getting a 2/3 gold order

[tender ravine]

It's hard to beat the Teq team 1.5 multiplier with a 1.4 Closure multiplier.

[astral tiger]

to see how much difference it makes

and sham team was still better even if u get unlucky post ramp

in a 36hr scenario

without droning considered

[summer kernel]

Do you still have that work? I think closure wins out or will eventually win out bc unlike sham team, you aren't capped by 90% in the TP

[astral tiger]

I can map it out again, had removed it sadly

ut it was smth like this (old ss)

[summer kernel]

Also, I always forget but Closure has 5% built in too

[astral tiger]

dont take the numbers

just that's how I "checked"

[astral tiger]

isn't it 10%?

[summer kernel]

Oh ok. It seems like it's really close which is exactly what I need lol. Just wanted to know if I can stop Fia-ing Sham and Teq.

This is perfect, though not entirely correct. thanks 🙏

[astral tiger]

I can try do the same and include drones this time... that will be a pain tho

I do have this ss

[summer kernel]

Yep my bad. Confused her with Umiri. I'm prob going to run Closure, Bellone, Vigil so it was the +10,+5 confusing me

[astral tiger]

36hr scenario and u end up getting 2 non 4-gold order

if u get 3 non 4-gold then it's 36.5k lmd

tho u can assume 36 since I assumed the non-4 gold would be 3 gold and not 2 gold

[summer kernel]

Why do we have to consider drones? If I'm droning tp, id just drone my Proviso (and Teq) if I needed to balance for LMD.

[astral tiger]

ah that is true

[summer kernel]

Yeah I'll calc if that Closure Bellone team is better than Sham Teq when I have time/when closure drops and I'm forced to do it.

Seemed really promising on release day but I also thought those closure orders were way better

[astral tiger]

she can get better I suppose, but the only problem is that u would need a lot of good tp workers/combos

since u dont wanna hog from proviso

[summer kernel]

I mean worse case, you can always save a fia by swapping Teq for Closure. Allows you to do Pozy Kirara shenanigans too

[tender ravine]

90% from Shamare is like 2 45% workers.

[summer kernel]

Gotta calc the LMD loss though

[astral tiger]

closure does give 10% so u need 2 40% to get similar efficiency

[astral tiger]

true

[tender ravine]

I didn't see that 10% until you telling me. Lol

[astral tiger]

it is pretty random

had forgotten about it till I was comparing

[craggy fog]

trying to use the base productivity calc in the pins for the first time, but which sheet should i use if i have 2/5/2 RR2 HR1 ?

[silver wyvern]

what does closure base skill does i tried pulling up the wiki but got nothing

[magic mica]

It makes all gold orders 2 bars but give 1200 LMD iirc

And she gives 10% productivity

[silver wyvern]

thats, really good actually i dont have shamare

so tequila isnt an option (yet) so id still be able to run 252

[magic mica]

It's slightly less than Shamare/Teq average but saves gold bars

[queen flicker]

what do you mean? isnt shamare tequila kirara already an option? edit: i think i got it now. shamare tequila tailoring is slighty better than closure. but shamare tequila kirara probably isnt. so if doing pozy shenanigans, closure may be better than tequila in that case. is that what you meant?

[silver wyvern]

or run 3 trade and expect to never made exp again

though i mean if the production is good enough, can you farm exp in the ls stage?

[silver wyvern]

its better to preset efficiency more spread out instead of all focused up in one fact right?

[queen flicker]

needs mlynar or the likes. even with just 2 gold, pozy tuye is still a respectable 105%. higher than glasgow. and saves a fia target

[queen flicker]

if you can confirm closure > shamare tequila other, then seems like closure is an upgrade for my set up

[little ledge]

Chat
If my Shamare team gets tired,i swap them with SA team
If my Proviso gets tired
I swap them with random 2 30%
Which one should i use my drone to boost my TP order?

Do we have another 2 man comp beside proviso+Mr.Nothing?

[pallid isle]

Always drone proviso when droning tp

There's some good 2 person options though some need cc slots

Basically though 40% tp workers are usually the best you can look at.

I would try and save my drones for provisos cycle as much as possible since your fia less

It shouldn't be that hard usually since if you use all the drones just before swapping her off it takes over 12 hours for them all to come back

[silent nova]

vs sham teq tailoring b, closure needs 2.070645555 prod, or a bit over 81 tp3% across the two other operators

vs sham teq no tailoring, this is just 1.828908555 prod = 58.16091958 tp3% across the two other ops

[magic mica]

Closure should have more income than Sham/Teq if you can get 120%+ bonus productivity. Otherwise she'd be expected to give less

[queen flicker]

each partner 58%? so 116% in total? is that with or without her +10%?

[silent nova]

sec let me dobble check

cuz i'm not super convined i did that correctly

[pallid isle]

Is closure pozy tuye an option then

[silver wyvern]

droning doesnt get affected by % efficiency skill right?

[pallid isle]

No it's always about 3 minutes

[silver wyvern]

oh ok yeah thanks

so i just drone which ever has shorter time

[pallid isle]

But due to the way proviso works it's better to drone her

[silver wyvern]

yeah but im assuming whenever shes off

[pallid isle]

Just save your drones then

Use all drones on proviso before swapping her off

Then just use them when you put her on

[silent nova]

w/ tailoring b, 87.06455542% total across the two remaining ops (this yields a total tp3% of 107.06456% with amiya)
w/o tailoring, 62.8908555% total across the two remaining ops (this yields a total tp3% of 82.890856% with amiya)

oh actually i should be calcing for tailoring alpha

76.13075383%

[queen flicker]

thanks! i'm dumb so just to be sure: closure needs 76% or higher in total to be better than sham teq w/o tailoring?

[silent nova]

the two other ops with closure needs 76% or higher in total (or 96% total prod, counting closure herself) to be better than sham teq

(forgot to add 7% from amiya and base 3%)

regardless it's met by closure / sham / kirara if you haveamiya in cc

[queen flicker]

yeah closure sham kirara is 90% + 7% amiya +3% base so total 100%. well seems like it is slighty better by 4%. not a crazy improvement but i would save a fia target tho

time to save pulls for closure

[silent nova]

thats a huge 464.3095397 lmd per day

[silver wyvern]

it's crazy that even with 3 gold fac I'm still trading more than i earn back

[astral tiger]

you need at least 110+ gold to sustain

[silver wyvern]

granted 2 of those are level 2 and not all of them have the best gold work skills

[pallid isle]

seems a little low but its fialess proviso right

[astral tiger]

they dont have shamare I'm pretty sure

[pallid isle]

that would also do it

high 50s seems like such an odd number

most people I see its like 40's becuase they do something very wrong or its normal 65-70

so yeah just lacking stuff and doing stuff correctly

[astral tiger]

well 40s is normal if u dont have prov and sham

I mean 45~

not low 40

[pallid isle]

~~thats called not using your selector correctly therefore doing something wrong . base knights supremecy ~~ yeah makes sense if niether of those and no fia

[astral tiger]

[pallid isle]

i am more interested though in this gold number

90 seems concerning to me

this is triple they said

[astral tiger]

prob dont have automation team

and max right 252 so it wont go too high without good teams

[pallid isle]

max right? said theres some level 2's

[astral tiger]

I think so

[pallid isle]

but even so

[little ledge]

What if Proviso is currently tired? All the way to Shamare?

[pallid isle]

I rely upon outside gold source as well to sustain

well yeah don't cap drones

I would use them on shamare for now then when proviso comes back you keep using them on her

when she has to leave again use them ALL then you can wait to use all drones again through her entire rest cycle

[astral tiger]

just save the drones

[pallid isle]

drones take way more then 12 hours to come back to cap so thats why I am saying just wait for proviso to come back online

[astral tiger]

for 12hr shifts u wont cap out on drones

use all your drones before shifting out prov

and then just wait for prov to recover

[pallid isle]

he might have said it better then I did but tahts what i am trying to say

[astral tiger]

essentially said the same thing, yeah lol

[little ledge]

Imma "once it's full,then check it out" shift so

[astral tiger]

well

[little ledge]

But usually aroun 18 hours

[pallid isle]

18 hours is going be hard to manage stuff

[little ledge]

So yeah sometimes i wasted my PP's working time

Once it's full,then check it out
But when the login streaks come in,no matter its full or not, i claim all

[astral tiger]

but if u take that long how do u plan to spend the drones

like u spent all drones on prov and she's about to die so u switch her out

if your next login will be more than 12hrs then u can't spend the drones anyways right?

[little ledge]

Yes

I didn't actually track the time so my bad

[astral tiger]

ah

well prov would recover morale in like 10-11 hrs

[little ledge]

12 on dorm lvl 1
252

[astral tiger]

so normally u should have her up unless you're logging in quite early

[little ledge]

Yes

[astral tiger]

well in any case if u dont have her up and logged in early, ig your next best option is shamare

but yeah just check if prov is up or not before u drone

[little ledge]

Sometimes my teamcomp gets tired in a diff time so

Currently both Sham team and Prov are tired so i'm droning SA

[astral tiger]

😭

[little ledge]

Tryna reach 20 cap bruh

[astral tiger]

well nothing much u can do here

other than maybe assign your best aoe and single target dorm booster for prov

or change your login times

[little ledge]

Oh right i just remember
I have chimken

[astral tiger]

if u can make a mental note of your login times then it would make it easier to know if u can save on the drones or not

well with the chicken u can keep her up full time

if you are using mlynar/wisadel in cc u should be able to manage keeping prov, sham and teq up

otherwise just use her on prov ig

cuz then u need to have consistent login times

otherwise it will mess up

[little ledge]

Wait
Chimken only swap 1 op's stamina right?

I don't have unc so prov all de wey

[astral tiger]

yes but each op lasts slightly less than 37hrs in a lvl 3 facility

fia takes 12hrs or less to recover full morale

so u can boost 3 ops with fia to keep them up constantly

just have to make sure to login on time

tho I just realised u have lvl 2 tp, so u can't refresh 3 ops without mlynar

so just use the chicken on prov

[little ledge]

Noted

What does Ave Mujica do?

[astral tiger]

on all e2

[magic mica]

They get passion stacks that decide the strength of their effects

[little ledge]

Ohh damn siracusa

Ok so Lappland

Seems small

For the TP and Fac part

[pallid isle]

it ends up mattering for vigil somewhat

[astral tiger]

^

[pallid isle]

and will matter when we get

i forgor the name

[astral tiger]

bellone

[pallid isle]

bellone is also 40% base so we are looking at for my cursed rotations 90% tp and 10% HR which I am gonna say is straight upgrade to amyia

already sort of competes with amyia

5% tp and 10% hr isn't bad

[little ledge]

Hmm

There we go

[pallid isle]

I do vigil bellone and swap proviso in before every order

when doing sui I can seprate them even

so mr.nothing + vigl level 2

lumen exu bellone level 3

Idk exact numbers on the value of hr but people seem to value green certs a lot so

[jaunty notch]

they do that when they don't have 50k+ of it

[silver wyvern]

how do you set up either the alter team or the mlynar team for CC?

[pallid isle]

Alters are just fillers

Ideally you pair mylnar with other smileys that also have skills such as vivianna and flame tail mon3tr has kalsit skill and smile

[little ledge]

I need to clear something
Does smiley man makes anyone works for longer time

Afaik only unc can do that

[frank cipher]

only if you pair smiley with unc

[crystal dagger]

They have so many chance 2 of the freebie (minimalist and vigeil) level base effect give double the value and that Dorm level related sniper effect also doubled. Would making 243 fairly close to 252 while those 3 cannot be use by 252 for higher production rate ( locked by reception room , all rooms and dorm levels)

[crystal dagger]

He should been 10% tbh that make him 80% and only 243 can use really or any max 3 power plant build. Which will east around 40% different between them and 252 full potential

Or if they don’t wanna do it that way. They can make level 3 reception room only. Will have extra 4 slots spawn in credit shop and 2 extra discount slot. While office at level 3 actually give useful buff like extra Lmb when recruiting ( before they were giving discount on lmb cost)

[silver wyvern]

oh actually sakiko team is the few one that has factory buffs

sakiko give it a whole 4%

[crystal dagger]

Any benefit to get nyamu to elite 2? For CC? I heard she doesn’t give anything extra and make mujica team cost more moral per hour

[crystal dagger]

Mujica team is pretty decent if no better team, they actually better if you only produce gold, but lost out with more exp factory you have

[pallid isle]

highschoolers moment

[magic mica]

Iirc +5% extra(total 10%) RR on E2 and she drains Saki faster

The drain should be neutral if both Uika nad Nyamu are e2 tho

[stiff fox]

wait you can't downgrade reception room? did i just lock myself out from the ideal base layout? 😭
i put my rr on 2, how cooked am i

[hasty tiger]

Not ideal, but just don't upgrade the RR or hr anymore and you're fine

Very minor if you stop now

[pallid isle]

That should be fine still

You will have to cut tp by a level if/when you build tr to 3 but like

As long as you have proviso ~~ picked proviso as is the correct choice from selector~~ it's basically "maxed"

The difference between tp 3 and 2 in that scenario isn't that big compared to a factory slot

[silver wyvern]

who even use 5 stars just pick baseskill ops smile

[pallid isle]

So true

[silver wyvern]

lowk kinda regretting the elysium instead of shamare, i was min maxing base enough

[silver wyvern]

how do you set up your facs in a max right 252, I'm having 1 lvl3 fac + 2 level 2 fac making gold with 50% from gold worker and i don't seem to make enough gold still

[astral tiger]

I use bryo, thorns alt and gravel team in lvl 3 gold fac, 2nd gold fac has weedy and purestream, 3rd one has aroma and spot/haze

that is enough to give me a net positive

what's your main and sub teams

[silver wyvern]

i should probably reorganize

[astral tiger]

gravel instead of haze, swap aroma and almond for purestream and spot, use haze and a 25% in last one

use a normal 25% since your aroma aint e2

also avoid using the ramp up 25% like kroos and fang

especially on your sub team that wont work for more than 12hr normally

u can also stagger your team like this to save workers

basically shifting to the 2nd one after 12hrs

this lets u have good efficiency while using less amount of workers

can also stagger lvl 3 fac but you will have to manually do it since not enough preset slots

not to mention it might just put the wrong preset

this isn't an issue for a lvl 2 fac at least

[silver wyvern]

i don't have any better option

and working on it

let me re-setup my base

[astral tiger]

bryo, thornsalt, gravel -> steward, roberta, perfumer
purestream, spot -> jessica sub
haze, ptilo -> vanilla sub

[silver wyvern]

here's my 2 exp fac also, mostly done just missing a worker for the steward slot

hold up lemme set up, I'm not familiar with stagger rotations

[astral tiger]

vermeil, trag, cat -> shirayuki, vigna, totter
conviction, frostleaf -> castle-3 sub (get it from recruitments)

[astral tiger]

it's pretty straightforward, just setup 3 presets in the fac like I shared above, then u just change preset after 12hrs

it will cycle from preset 1 to 3

[silver wyvern]

i just set the time to 3hr and spam until i get castle 3 right

[astral tiger]

3hr 40 and yeah

or I think 50, I forgot when 1* are removed from pool, u can check when u do it

[silver wyvern]

50

at 4hr robots are removed

[astral tiger]

alright

[silver wyvern]

isnt totter like pretty bad

[astral tiger]

you will only be using him for 12hrs, in which case he is slightly better than a 25%

[silver wyvern]

would subbing popukar instead of castle 3 in case i dont have it yet for the 12hr be ok

[astral tiger]

yeah that's fine

[silver wyvern]

on the lvl3 fact that is

[astral tiger]

use her in lvl 3 yeah

[silver wyvern]

ok question, for the 2 factory i save worker so i should always do the 12hr rotation, but shouldnt i let the lvl3 fac run the 1st preset until theyre out of morale since they have the higest yield in total before running 12hr rotation

[astral tiger]

your lvl 3 fac has combos so yes, run them for the entire duration

[silver wyvern]

thanks

lemme recount the setup
1st fact (lvl3)
trago, cat, vermeil
shira, vigna, totter
conviction, frostleaf popukar

im lost on the lvl3 gold fac

[astral tiger]

vermeil, trag, cat -> shirayuki, vigna, totter

this was for the exp fac

bryo, thornsalt, gravel -> steward, roberta, perfumer

this for gold

lvl3 facs

Gold: purestream, spot -> jessica sub
Gold: haze, ptilo -> vanilla sub
EXP: conviction, frostleaf -> castle-3 sub

this for lvl 2 facs

your presets should look like this basically

didn't draw margins but should be readable

[silver wyvern]

it is thanks a lot

you misstype the last haze for pito right

[astral tiger]

ah yeah

should be ptilo

also be on lookout for feater

even if u don't e2 her, she's a 30% exp unit

on e2 she's a 35%

[silver wyvern]

gotcha thanks

[valid storm]

I haven't seen melee + slow for ages, or slow with anything other than ranged and supporter with slow

[astral tiger]

They make the 5* guarantee tag combos pretty rare

[silver wyvern]

ok so i found out i havent have perfumer leveled so im just shoving in almond , its not like it matter that much on lvl 3 fac since ill just let the combo run for as long as possible

here are my setups

[queen flicker]

looks good but maybe i would move purestream to a lvl 3

[silver wyvern]

does it affect anything, esp with bryo/thorn alter e2

[astral tiger]

gets to work longer cuz of more innate mdr in lvl 3 fac

but u will have to swtich back to bryo comp once u e2 them

prob should have mentioned that but yeah

bryo's "combo" only unlocks after e2

[queen flicker]

are they willing to stagger?

[astral tiger]

at least for the preset ones

will it change much tho? it's not like purestream is not being used

[queen flicker]

fac 2 teams could be manually stagger but yeah not with presets

[astral tiger]

yeah it can be staggered with steward alone

downside is having to do it manually each time

[queen flicker]

and on time

[astral tiger]

yeah not much leeway

like 50mins of delay is possible before unit dies

[silver wyvern]

its fine i get to use mlynar to delay it i think

[astral tiger]

that changes things if u have him

if you're willing to manual swap till u e2 bryo, u can stagger that fac with 1 unit like steward

[silver wyvern]

i do

[astral tiger]

basically: consider the units being A B C and steward D
A B C
D B C
A D C
A B D

that's how the shifts would go

every 12hrs u swap one out for steward

[queen flicker]

4 presets update when

[astral tiger]

not sure if it will work out properly too

might swap to the wrong preset based on morale check

[silver wyvern]

that seems like way too much work for me, ill just keep the 12hr rotation

both of my team have some kind of morale reduction pretty sure

[astral tiger]

u can try it out tbh, it just sounds like a lot of work, u just have to swap out once every 12hrs and since u have mlynar, can delay it a lot

[queen flicker]

you have to already swap your lvl 2 facs every 12h anyway

btw chat, are you pulling for nasti? i would like to but she needs too many base slots

[pale yoke]

ill just drop a 10x

need to save for those limited

[tender ravine]

I hope I will get her in under 100 pulls

[vagrant blaze]

i like my ranged units, so yes

[orchid bane]

I am gonna pull a 6*

[valid storm]

and did you?

[frank cipher]

truly riic player to the core

[odd yoke]

if not having gnosis for og sash to be with jaye and proviso in tp lv3, who should i replace og sash with?

[orchid bane]

Got her in 30

Pretty fine

[odd yoke]

i’ll just use hoederer in tp with wis in cc

[orchid bane]

<@&586570970345635868> can I take it ?

[simple violet]

I couldn't quite figure it out from the base combos guide. Is there a place for Nasti if I don't have Dorothy?

[silent nova]

she can just work as a high % provided you meet the conditions

[simple violet]

I have been running the knights group

[inner ocean]

Damn, this looks great

There we go. They all look bright and open

While the main 4 dorms are all dining

[silver wyvern]

let me make sure of something, efficiency applies at the time of creation right. like trade efficiency applies as the order is collected, and the time is reduced

same goes with fac right

[silent nova]

it's dynamic

if you change prod % in the middle of producing something, the time will adjust accordingly

[silver wyvern]

oh ok, so the time you get is estimated if the current op keep working as is until it is finished

[silent nova]

yeah

[silver wyvern]

does it also apply with things like proviso skill, if i mid swap her out does it lose the effect?

[silent nova]

prov has to be there when the order is finished

but not when the order is created or in the process of creation

so what some people do here is micromanage proviso by putting 3 of their best goons in tp then swapping one to prov right before it finishes to get prov bonus

[silver wyvern]

what if her morale drain mid way, no effect i assume

[silent nova]

yeah

[silver wyvern]

seems really annoying for not a lot of result

well i guess the result would be if you can keep doing it you get prov bonus always

[silent nova]

no it's prety good

[silver wyvern]

how much more gold would it potentially yield over just letting prov run? i assume its much better than a lvl2 tp prov

[silent nova]

it's dependent on who's assigned (if they change bar distribution) and what tp level (2/3)

this method (which people call here "cursing") will eat up more bars than just high % / prov in tp2

i dont do it so idk what the best way to do it is but i assume its just best duo in tp2 with prov curse results in the highest lmd from her

or maybe even a level 1 tp with prov cursing . . . .

(probably not)

[silver wyvern]

if i have to guess, technically a 40% since the best 2 person comp can get you an 80% bonus and proviso provide 0 benefit herself

[silent nova]

the best 2 person comp is at least 120%

mr nothing accounts for >= 80% already

[silver wyvern]

wait what

[silent nova]

and 40% is not that rare anymore

a

top is mr nothing (80%) + amiya (7%) + prov no cursing, bottom is mr nothing (80%) + amiya (7%) + some rando 40% + prov cursing