r-i-i-c

[ember hull]

This is basically double 90%

Although rn I'm running 3 xp to burn gold bars

[summer kernel]

I'm on that copium that one day my TPs will be good enough to burn my 6k gold stock. I still have Quartz in my rotation so my TP op situation is kinda bad

[ember hull]

Bruh, mine is even more copium with tailoring alpha and quartz

Around 65-66k fully droned

Wonder if upgrading to tailoring beta will push me past 70k

[summer kernel]

I E2-ed paprika bc I was overflowing with medic chips

[pallid isle]

i pretty sure you need a full time 40% for that extra push

oh no beta either yeah

that would do it

[summer kernel]

I think Underflow is the best 252 non max right conditional 40% right now? Since you always need Ulpi for AH anyway?

[jaunty notch]

pretty much

[summer kernel]

Also welfare and both are decent ops but not sure if in RR yet

[jaunty notch]

e2 the entire roster

[summer kernel]

[pallid isle]

i got 19 operators left at e1

i need to e2 more people

[summer kernel]

I would if I was even close to getting the entire roster Couldn't even get Ros today since Pram came too early. 150 for both but dupes on SA

[pallid isle]

i am actually out of lmd its crazy

[south geyser]

better start getting used to that

lmd is the ultra bottleneck

[round lichen]

Gladiia can go 7.5 hours, why arbitrarily stop at 7? My dorms are 2111 and I do 8-20.5-7.5, though of course I still login to collect during the 20.5.
Suis lose more morale than Saileach while working due to Dusk’s +.05 MDR, but since the Suis can be targeted by ST dorm workers, Saileach is the limiting factor in terms of downtime. Spending 7.5 hours in a Lv 2 dorm with Durin, Saileach can recover a max of 20.625 morale. This means the theoretical maximum uptime on Sui shift is 29h 27m

[gritty cedar]

What's a good lmd/day? I'm averaging 40-42kish. Sometimes more sometimes less

[rigid plume]

This is basically average level.

Either stay here or pump it up.

[gritty cedar]

Sounds good to me. I'm trynna pump it up. I'm building up the shamare team atm

[hazy holly]

Why does it say insufficient power

Is it cause activity rooms?

[rigid plume]

Because you have reached the cap of your Energy

🔋

[hazy holly]

Yess but I want to downgrade and switch one of my greens to a yellow

[rigid plume]

For example it has 280/300 and you want an building that eats 30 extra.

Ofc the game tells you "are you kidding me"

[rigid plume]

Downgrade normal buildings first.

Because those greens are holding your cap

Ofc game will tell you "are you kidding me" if you cannot follow its cap

[hazy holly]

What is considered a normal building? Never really thought about base like this

I'm just a returning player...

[rigid plume]

From my transaction - everything that is not Powerplant.

Basically, start with Dorms, downgrade to Lv1, all of them. Reason behind it is their level just improve the rest value, so ops recover Morale faster. You can do it in Lv1 just fine.

Then either Trading Post or Factory. But follow two rules:

1. One of either buildings SHALL stay Lv3 for latest recipes.
2. Start downgrading from maxed to lowest: Lv3 > Lv2 > Lv1.

Right side cannot be downgraded unfortunately, and Activity Room doesn't eat Power.

So you can ignore right side completely.

[hazy holly]

Hm okay so all the dorms are lv 1 now

[rigid plume]

So tip #2 is to leave one Trading Post and one Factory at Lv3. At least one.

[hazy holly]

Hm okay

What should a base look like for good xp output?

What it looks like for me rn

What is proviso?

[rigid plume]

Downgrade one Lv3 Fac to Lv2, upgrade Lv1 Factory to Lv2.

Alternatively you can spare a level from Trading Post.

And you're done.

[hazy holly]

Uhhhh

[rigid plume]

3 EXP, 2 Gold usually.

If you lack gold, you can temporary switch one EXP to Gold, if needed.

[hazy holly]

Whoops

[rigid plume]

[hazy holly]

Okay so downgrade a lv 3 factory right and put back into trading

[hazy holly]

Ohhhhhh

[rigid plume]

The reason why she's broken at Base

[hazy holly]

Base power creep 😭

[rigid plume]

If I have 2s and 3s Gold Orders

I'll add gold to make them look like 3s and 4s.

With corresponding price of 1500 and 2000 LMD.

[hazy holly]

Whaaaa

[rigid plume]

On E2, her only Gold Orders will be 4s and 5s.

2000 and 2500.

EVERY. SINGLE. ORDER.
While she's working.

[hazy holly]

This is so confuzzling

[stray oracle]

I think she's the only 5* that has a reasonable Return-on-Investment if you E2 them just for base?

[hazy holly]

Is she a free op

[rigid plume]

Half of year.

For her.

[rigid plume]

Unfortunately, Gacha only.

🥹

Most saddest part.

[hazy holly]

What's her class? I'll go see if I have her

[rigid plume]

You should get lucky to get her.

[stray oracle]

Supporter - Decel Binder.

[rigid plume]

Supporter/Decel Binder (Slower)

[hazy holly]

Yep I have her

[stray oracle]

Nice.

[hazy holly]

Mmm okay but my base tho what should my levels look like for xp? Imma change them later when I have enough drone thinges

[hazy holly]

Nvm I am blind

[hasty tiger]

Having 2/5/2 is just step one

You still need to have base slave ops at their needed level and rotate twice a day

[barren condor]

is it possible for me to maintain both shamare's team and prov with fia?

[rigid plume]

I think there is only be the one.

[hasty tiger]

You have to have a replacement for the third in the shamare team

[barren condor]

i do have a replacement, how can i maintain them using fia since i jst recently got into managing my base

[hasty tiger]

Mylnar+smilies

I think without that it's a bit too close on a 12 hour shift cycle

[queen flicker]

for convinience ive been using dead lancet in all 3 of these shifts. any idea on how to handle this?

so its not dead when with og greyy and dead later. i could craft until its dead but eventually i will run ouf of things to craft right

[ember hull]

That's why it's 12-17-7. It makes for a multiple of 12 hours and it maximises sui team uptime

Sui works for 29 hours > abyssal hunter works for 7 for a total of 36 hour cycle

Problem is this means the AH shift time isn't at the same time each day

Today it's 7am, the next time it's 7pm

Or something like that

I think tracking that is kinda schizo

[wind otter]

Did they announce during CN livestream another material going to unlimited event shop, like RMA70-12? I dozed off so many times while watching the stream.

[valid storm]

we will know in a few hours

[wind otter]

what happens in a few hrs?

[valid storm]

CN update?

[wind otter]

May 1st

[valid storm]

oh

well, that's still a few hours

especially if you have a yob

[wind otter]

"few" is a point of view Anakin

[valid storm]

then a few days

and I don't think that they have announced the infinite grindstone either back then, it just happened

[wind otter]

I'll assume they will and continue farming Sugar in the meantime

[valid storm]

why sugar? you want diabetesm

[wind otter]

Is not me, operators can't have enough of it smh

[round lichen]

I’m pretty sure they did mention infinite grindstones during the 6.5 anni stream. I don’t expect RMA to go to the infinite shop until 7.5 anni, since we got manganese for 5.5 and grindstone for 6.5

[wind otter]

oh, a "not yet" situation

[round lichen]

Actually no, 5.5 added loxic, 6 added manganese, 6.5 added grindstone

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

[woven stratus]

is this good? i dont have many operators with good base skills tho so i can still improve a little i guess. but maybe someone can share their income so i can set a goal for myself

[rigid plume]

40k LMD per day is average

[hasty tiger]

When you say you don't have any have you been to #bot-spam and done /baseslaves

[rigid plume]

So you should make it stable.

[woven stratus]

i have done all 3* and 4* working on 5* and 6*. but i dont own many good ones

[hasty tiger]

It's not really advised to raise 5/6* for base purposes only. I have because I'm bored and enjoy base. Most have a return on investment in the years or decades

Proviso/shamare/tequila (maybe one of their third partner between bibeak/Kafka/paprika/diamonte)are really the only 5* you want to raise strictly for base

[queen flicker]

i'm using eunectes on 3 shifts. 2 of them with greyy alter so lancet is dead for those. so the pp rotation goes:

1 - greyy, goldenglow
2 - greyy, lancet
3 - greyy alter, dead lancet
4 - greyy alter, dead lancet

the problem is i can let lancet rest and recover morale during shift 1. i log in twice a day, 12hr. so for shift 2 he is full morale. after shift 2 he is around half morale, so in order to use him with greyy alter i have to reduce his morale to 0. fine, i craft some materials with him and ready. but i think with this aproach eventually i will run out of things to craft. so what would yo do? anyone with dead lancet strat having a similar problem and how do you handle it?

so thats why for now instead of resting lancet for shift 2, i just use dead lancet on all 3 shifts. but thats losing 10% pp

[little ledge]

Should i change to 243 or build Zumama team first?

[hasty tiger]

Should never change to 243

[long island]

I'm trying to do a Sui Base what set-up should I use for a 3-3-3 base?

[vital oriole]

Sui base typically just means sticking ling dusk chong in cc and an extra two in crafting + TR

[arctic prism]

333

[floral mirage]

which operator have the base skill to reduce skill train time?
I need the sniper one

[arctic prism]

irene

[round lichen]

Lancet goes from 9 morale to 0 in 12 hours, so just make sure to keep her under 9 morale when resting her

[bright folio]

How likely is this to increase our odds at a dmc collab? Anything else I can do to better this vergil dedicated room?

[orchid bane]

If we somehow have dorm contest again and you win the 1st price . I would say 0.001%

[rigid plume]

https://youtu.be/HSDb6peVJ-4?t=30s

[bright folio]

I meeaaaan we've had collabs with Capcom in the past with monster hunter, whose to say we cant have another with them but for dmc?

[orchid bane]

You asked "increase"

[frank cipher]

well whole chen talu banter is dmc reverence, sibling fight then somehow bunny with yamato interfere on top of building

[orchid bane]

[frank cipher]

just put chen n talulah boom temu dmc

[bright folio]

Ykw thats so true I hadn't thought about that. My hopes are once again risen. If we can get MLP im certain we can get DMC

[queen flicker]

i usually only log in twice a day but will try, thanks

[light widget]

is manually putting ops in dorm not an option here?

[queen flicker]

i would have to let her rest only until 9 morale is recovered. cant do with 12hr log ins

[astral tiger]

can't u just use dead lancet with grey alt, put all ops in dorm, take out lancet and log off

u wont have to reduce morale each time

just when u put all ops in, remove lancet from the dorms

or place her in workshop or training room

[queen flicker]

im using eunectes lancet for 3 shifts. 2 out of 3 shifts with greyy alter

[astral tiger]

I see

[queen flicker]

those shifts need dead lancet. but the remaining shift without greyy alter doesnt. but im still using dead lancet in that remaining shift for convinience because i couldnt find an optimal way to manage it. crafting works but that eventually i will run out of thing to craft (i think)

[astral tiger]

don't think u have another option but to micro-manage lancet morale then

without mlynar your grey2 wont last 3 shifts

[queen flicker]

so i guess this is the best solution, tho i would need to log in just to remove lancet from the dorm after her morale is at 8~9

[astral tiger]

micro managing is your only option if u dont wanna lose out efficiency

[queen flicker]

all that for an extra 10% pp in one shift

i drone proviso so atleast it has more value

[astral tiger]

did u check how much value is that

atp I'd say just check how much of a difference it makes

cuz if it aint much then u can just keep lancet dead instead of micro-managing

for lvl 1 dorm it's 4hrs of rest

to reach 9 morale

also u have 0 leeway here

it's exactly 4hrs of rest for 9 morale and exactly 12hrs to die

so you'll have to remove before 4hrs

[queen flicker]

i see thanks

[scarlet juniper]

hello guys, i'm kinda new to base management even if i'm a really old player, do you have any tips on how to start and how to do maybe team comps for that base? Any help will be appreciated, thanks in advance ❤️

[round lichen]

@scarlet juniper
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjUwJhIjFmfqOhVi4DNA21XfIICi-ZRJU
The best guide for starters is to check this YouTube playlist, it gives a good overview of the most impactful skills.

If you check the pins for this channel, Shaw-bot gives a list of base guides and links. Number 4 on that list is a more-or-less comprehensive guide to team comps. You can compare the teams listed with your current roster and decide which work best for you.

Some other good videos:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eolMMsRn794

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0si4HMQuYBo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRLNE56ThF8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSwL4PmlzII

[scarlet juniper]

i really appreciate that, thanks a lot, i'll try to understand everything i need to manage my own base

[west tapir]

The dream band got their own flashy name displays on the left side

[bronze shell]

anyone in red cert shop worth buying for their base skill?

[pale wing]

Quartz

[west summit]

How good is this

[light widget]

what happened on that 16k exp

[west summit]

Decided to swap to 4 gold fac because i relised i had too much exp

Is this the strongest tp? Or is there an even more broken strat

[light widget]

looks decent to me, being xp and gold in the average side

max right 252?

[west summit]

Yes max right 252 how did u know

[light widget]

Morgan siege + delphine cc

[west summit]

Huuh?

[light widget]

having prov in a lv3 fac is either max right or 243

[west summit]

Wdym

Whats morgan siege delphine doing

[light widget]

for prov lv3 tp

it's 142

[west summit]

Huuuh?

[light widget]

wait not 142

let my brain process mb, I just woke up

[west summit]

Lol

Im about to sleep

[west summit]

What do delphine siege morgan do

[light widget]

it's a 95% duo for tp

so 102%, pozy tuye still better

[west summit]

Pozy the durin master

Having 4 dorm slots gone by durin kinda hurts when your dorms are 1 1 1 2

Thankfully some durins have dorm skills

[light widget]

Morgan siege is the 2nd highest duo in tp I think, idk about exodia build tho

and it's kinda cheap since u only need to e2 Morgan and delphine

[west summit]

I dont have seige sadly

[light widget]

[west summit]

I do have r6 siege tho

[west summit]

apprantly degen can have very high percent how does she work

and also, I have all the automation ops how does the weedy passenger eunectes work

Do I need then all e2

[light widget]

check combo guides in pins, special tab > gnosis team, tldr not worth if u wanna pair for prov

passenger is

[west summit]

huh

automation is bad?

Im running tragodia cat vermeil rn

[light widget]

no, it's just passenger in automation is bad

max left has lv2 fac right?

[pallid isle]

if its max then its level 3

hence max

also we now have a 30% 4* that outclasses pass

if you meant 14 slot instead of 15 due to raising your tr to max then also its still maxed factory because your going to downgrade tp instead of the factory slot due to proviso

[pallid isle]

in your case you downgrade a tp for an upgrade for factory

anything that isn't max left 15 slot downgrades tp in exchange for factory when proviso is factored in

[vagrant portal]

Good or bad

[carmine spindle]

Is this good enough havent changed it in ages

[south geyser]

you should upgrade to a 6* duo since they just produce more clues overall

[frank cipher]

do high or bias, half ass deserve clue 7

[mortal torrent]

how does rotation exactly work?

[hasty tiger]

Pins 3

[mortal torrent]

So it's just a regular team +1 while constantly rotating one every 12 hours?

Seems simple enough

[hasty tiger]

Since we only have 3 presets if you only use 1 additional you'll be doing one team manually but yes it's simple

[worn crest]

i can't reception and office ?

[rigid plume]

...Downgrade? Yeah, you cannot, lol.

That's why in help you hear "don't Lv3 them"

[worn crest]

ok thx

but it's weird that we can't downgrade them 🥲

[dense python]

cant downgrade office either so that's also a waste of power

[pallid isle]

Depending on how new you are and don't have even cc level 5 yet, you could consider rerolling its max right, which in the long run is a massive loss vs max left over a long period of time

yeah office is straight up power waste because you can't even use exodia at all as a new player I always forget just how extra trash it really is

[worn crest]

sry you mean rerolling the account ?

[pallid isle]

yeah

because the gains for the long term will outweigh what you have right now

if your planning on playing for a long time ofc

[worn crest]

can't i spent money and will miss pramaix and silver alter

[pallid isle]

😢

[worn crest]

i will stick with 243 🥲
thx

[pallid isle]

252 is still better even if max right

[barren condor]

is it better to immediately swap sakiko's team with mylnar's after their morale has been fully recovered?

[summer kernel]

Is each dorm a different facility for the elite operator team?

[ember hull]

No, use 252 max right

This runs 3x level 3 left side facilities with the rest being level 2

It still blows 243 out of the park

And it uses less base workers than 243

[worn crest]

ok thx i just followed texas mission to level receiption and leveled office 3 to finish my cards and planned to downgrade later
but didn't know that i can't like it's the most stupied thing like why i can't
but ok thx i will try 252 and will buy provise if she dropped in the shop

[ember hull]

👍

[ember hull]

It depends on how you set up your rots

[dull python]

chat what is a Kroos Special order

[worn crest]

can i still use Tequila ?
https://www.krooster.com/u/depression
i don't have his team

[round lichen]

If you put Kirara in the other TP, it goes to 162%
If you’re pressed for dorm slots, you can leave Chestnut and Minimalist in the Training Room or Workshop

[round lichen]

When I asked Gato about Taraxacum’s skill, he said that each dorm is considered a separate facility, so I assume Mantra works the same way

[dull python]

chat what are Kroos Special orders

[summer kernel]

did anyone run the math on Closure orders?
I'm getting +172%TP and +46%Gold for Closure with two 40%TP which is really good, like 90-95% of Proviso.

not sure if you can curse Closure but Proviso would still be better

[jaunty notch]

you can

orders can be sped up

[summer kernel]

wait idk if im just dumb but is closure more efficent than proviso? As in, you should put Eben/Mr nothing into Closure over Proviso if you just want raw prod numbers

[wind otter]

the answer was: yes, RMA70-12 in event shop

[orchid bane]

New CN unlimited T3 ?

Luckily I did not farm it

Although I don't have many. Good to know I made the right choice

[peak ledge]

Is this correct? Ukusik gives +HR while being on RR?

[wind otter]

Portatori rerun also has RMA, at better rates if Penguin Logistics is accurate but yeah, I farmed enough because I was running low-ish, won't farm anymore

[orchid bane]

I did that cause I sure someone here predicted the next one is RMA

Can't remember who tho

It is 14j

Dang. Man has insider in HG

[wind otter]

[summer kernel]

slot should say HR not RR. The color is right though.
Typo, Mr Gato

[wind otter]

he better be careful, HG dropping the hammer like crazy these days

[orchid bane]

[peak ledge]

Oh that's sad 😢 I would've pulled if that was the case.

[tender ravine]

2hr 48 drones. I think something is wrong here. iirc, 1 drone = 3 minutes. Meaning 48 drones = 144 minutes, not 120 minutes.

[pallid isle]

Perma rma oops wasted my sanity instead of waiting 6 months

[tender ravine]

If Closure's order is 48 drones, tp multiplier is only 1.2

Then, Proviso > Tequila(with Shamare and Bibeak) > Closure.

[pallid isle]

So only really good for cursing?

[tender ravine]

No good

[summer kernel]

is it really 48 drones, 2:24?

[tender ravine]

Proviso or Proviso+Tequila are better

[pallid isle]

Actually yeah no I am overly tired

[tender ravine]

If Closure order is really 120 minutes, multiplier is go up to 1.44

[pallid isle]

Yeah there's no scenario you don't still only use proviso and tequila then and no orders are gonna be 2 for her

Curious though what takes priority proviso or closure

[tender ravine]

Tequila with Shamare and Bibeak skill give 1.27 tp multiplier and 0.23 fac multiplier.

Then I think Tequila still the second best tp team.

[summer kernel]

lmao, i spent a bunch of time analyzing it as if it was 2hrs since that would be really good. if its 2:24 then Sham Teq is 20% total prod better than Closure. Probably means you dont really have to Fia sham and teq anymore

[pallid isle]

Your probably not getting enough of a gain over other things now

With fia

[tender ravine]

Still need to confirm Closure order is 144 minutes or 120 minutes.

[orchid bane]

I think clo gameplay is good too

[scarlet lion]

it's 144 minutes

[round dock]

seeing some of these newer future ops are starting to make my brain hurt

does Wang work best with CY or with Dusk/Ling?

I'm going to assume Wang would want to rest when Eunectes is down

[summer kernel]

welp, worse than Sham Tequila for now. I think the breakpoint is 98% from the 3TP ops so we just need two 45% ops. I dont think wasting a CC slot on Delph would be worth it

[round dock]

if Shamare gets replaced, do we just Fia her replacements, or someone else?

[summer kernel]

based on your rotations but the next likely one is like bryo.

[round dock]

well, it's Bryo/Gravel for me

and she works when Flametail/Viviana does

which is a sub team for my EXP Factories

I go what seems like years without change, and finally we're getting new ops, so now new rotations etc

is @uncut dome still doing the spreadsheet?

doesn't appear to be updated

[summer kernel]

Oops forgot about Umiri's team
if its 144minutes to get 600LMD for 2gold, Closure + Bellone + Vigil with Umiri in CC is 100% raw. Thats probably the 2nd best team now but requires RR3.

[orchid bane]

Wang is amiya or kal base on setup

Just nothing new

Kal is worse than hoshi2 now and we have many Donkey now

Iirc 243 wang = amiya
252 wang = kal

[light widget]

pozy tuye duo could get 105% but u need 4 gold prod and 4 wasted slots in dorm

115% with closure

[round dock]

Well, it can be Amiya with Dead Lancet/Eunectes

[round dock]

Wonder if there a way to use Ebenholz for Rosmontis in there

[jaunty notch]

you too

[summer kernel]

? Shouldn't this be HR?

[jaunty notch]

oh nvm lol

[spare jolt]

Closure+Lemuen+Exu (or Closure+Shamare) is close enough to Tequila's shift that I wonder if it might tip it over to refresh Ling for the WP team, and swap Tequila out for a shift

8 hours of +15% extra for Proviso. It doesn't work if you've got Rosmontis on the team, but I'm wondering about it without her

[covert glacier]

is 9 coloured deer the best for combining rocks? Or should I use someone else

[orchid bane]

Normally yes. You use 1-35 for tier 1 to 3 and 36-39 for tier 3-4

But now there are 4 low value tier3

Idk if she is that good nowadays

How about now ?

Oh wait

There are already number there

Sorry for the unnecessary ping

But I can see that blemishe is super close to 9CD now

Well. Still ofc only 9CD can make value out of block

[round lichen]

9CD is still #1, but Corroserum is officially better than Arene/Stainless/Nian for making T4 mats

[orchid bane]

I think I should go back to using blemi for T1-3

Idk

I have another useless T3 which is Aketon

Sugar and poly also close to useless. But new mat using them too so I will see

[dense crypt]

Just e2ed narantuya, does she have any use in base? She has an innate 20% gold boost, but no team can make use of her storage limit ability right? Since Vermill needs to be with Scene and Pallas

I don't remember anyone else with Vermill like ability

[astral tiger]

vermeil gold team only

but you'd rather use her exp team

[dense crypt]

Fair enough. That's what I suspected as well

[unique mauve]

do we have specific numbers on Closure combo production?

[silent nova]

Take your prod % and multiply it by 1.16 to get the effective prod% in tp3 (or 1.2 for tp1%)

For reference teq w tailoring beta has a prod mult of 1.24ish tp1% or 1.21ish tp3%

So there doesn't seem to be much point in running closure over teq in something like sham teq (where a sham / rando / closure is 232% eff tp3, sham teq is 242 tp3%)

She also strictly loses out on gold (gold cons is 1.2 x tp1, whole sham teq is like 1.03x)

[tender ravine]

I forget that Closure should have fac multiplier like Tequila too.

Closure
Tp Multiplier = 1.2
Fac Multiplier = 0.2

[light widget]

so a good sub for sham teq downtime?

[tender ravine]

Yes, a good sub if you don't have Fiammetta.

Proviso
Tp lv1 multiplier = 2
Tp lv2 multiplier = 1.86
Tp lv3 multiplier = 1.59

Tequila+Shamare+Bibeak
Tp Multiplier = 1.27
Fac Multiplier = 0.23

Closure
Tp Multiplier = 1.2
Fac Multiplier = 0.2

[light widget]

hmmm, does this mean if you can get closure get 105+% tp she will be better than sham teq in tp?

[tender ravine]

Yes, but how? We use that 105+% on Proviso team anyway.

Forget that 252 don't do that lol.

[pallid isle]

I suppose in provisoless scenarios you can do cursed closure tequila and highest% trio

[tender ravine]

Only 243 that use 105+% on Proviso.

[pallid isle]

105 seems like an odd number what's the combo your using there

[tender ravine]

I use 109%

[pallid isle]

That's with 2 + proviso???

[light widget]

my prov is in lv2 tp

thinking of Morgan siege + closure would get you 112%, should be better than sham teq?

[pallid isle]

Using these numbers no

Now if you don't have a e2 tequila or beta tailor then yes closure beats those scenarios

However what I am curious about is if it's still worth using fia on shamare and tequilla

So closure might still be a sub

[hollow sparrow]

What is the use of the activity room in the base and should i build more of it?

[orchid bane]

Another trust increase

If you build them all you can have 6 more OP + trust daily

If you not interested. Just clear all the debris to unlock 235 drone cap

Also. You can move your op there

[hollow sparrow]

I see… how about the office? Should i even max it? Its still level 1

I dont see any point of leveling it up at the moment

[jaunty notch]

keep it lv1

[hollow sparrow]

Im currently trying to get my base setup as 2-5-2, the power and trading is maxed. The factory, only 1 is max while others is at level 2

thinking of spending the remainder for my dorm to max

[hasty tiger]

You should be making your factories as high as possible

As long as you are logging in twice at 12 hour increments level 1 dorms are enough

The whole point of doing 2/5/2 is maximizing your factory productivity

[calm monolith]

2 factories for gold and 3 factories for exp is fine in 2/5/2 right?

[limpid frost]

is there a channel for stuff about data/farming math that’s not related to the riic?

[round lichen]

If using Proviso in a Lv 2 TP, 2 gold facs won’t be enough. If you’re Provisoless, you can probably get away with 2 after taking into account all the extra gold from green cert shop, login events, etc.

And afaik there’s no separate channel, this is the closest we have to an “economy discussion” type place

[limpid frost]

ok i guess i'll just ask here then

[calm monolith]

alright noted, so with e2 proviso it's better to stick to 3 gold factories?

[round lichen]

I’d say so

[limpid frost]

how come peteryr's sheet lists chips as 17.2224 sanity and chip packs as 34.4448 sanity instead of 18 and 36?

[summer kernel]

You get LMD in those supply stages

PeterYR has a video explicitly talking about how it's calc-ed and using chips as an example iirc

[rose knoll]

In the video I ignore LMD for simplicity and use 18 for its value lol

But yeah, LMD

[azure hound]

My base has completely fallen apart in terms of productivity. It’s a big mess and I don’t know what to do

I’ve been checking the sources and videos and I’ve just got a headache

Is there anything I can do, or should I reread the sources?

[rigid plume]

Did you read the pins here?

[astral tiger]

check the base team and combo guide doc

go through the combos listed and see what u can use

setup some stuff and you can then ask here if u want to check whether you're using optimal setups

[azure hound]

Yeah

[azure hound]

Gotcha I’ll try it

[orchid bane]

Work hit hard

[bright folio]

I got news gang: it worked

What do I do now?

[uneven halo]

how to switch pp to fc?

[arctic prism]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648597683031900200/1210138343241682944/Media_240222_012335.gif

[silent nova]

Power plant to friend credit ?

[rigid plume]

https://youtu.be/HSDb6peVJ-4?t=30s

[queen flicker]

crownslayer in a few days

[astral tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JHdMF2NbWic

Max motivation

[frozen cedar]

is there any way to sync the rotations or do i have to do them manually?

[queen flicker]

you could rotate everything at the same time everyday if thats what you mean

btw chat, i finally have kirara. 1 exp 4 gold incoming

[frozen cedar]

operators having different morale drains cause them to desync for rotate all

[little ledge]

Chat is 1-7 still efficient? I need to farm rocks for mats,not for Orundum

[rigid plume]

Yes.

It always a 1-7.

No matter what your plan is.

[little ledge]

Noted

[astral tiger]

You normally wouldn't want to wait for "Rotate all" anyways since that means the ops stop working

u switch them out manually through the presets before they die

[west tapir]

Do you think the Auto clue giveaway affects players who are missing the last clue?
There would be a friend who is constantly trying to get lucky for the final clue with constant +10% droprate operator for multiple days.
Only for the helper to give it out ramdomly

[queen flicker]

now time to wait 2 days and see how the report averages

[queen flicker]

btw with this kind of efficiency, is there a chance it reachs the cap in 12hr?

[round lichen]

2-gold orders will complete in 54.3 minutes
3-gold orders in 1h 19m
4-gold orders in 1h 44m
Chance of 2/3/4 gold bar orders is 30/50/20%
so if we assume your 10 order slots are filled with the corresponding ratio of orders, all orders will be completed in 12h 46m

But the question is “is there a chance,” which the answer is definitely yes

As long as you get 2 4-gold orders, it won’t cap

[peak ledge]

Question. It appears that the mats got consumed when I confirmed the production. Does it get refunded once I cancel it?

[round lichen]

Yes

[peak ledge]

I see. Ty 👍

[steady holly]

who did the base operator spreadsheet btw

they forgot to add whitesmith to the "potential future elite operators" section

[hasty tiger]

The credits are right under the links

[queen flicker]

i see thanks! i made the calc and i believe the chance of 10 orders taking less than 12 hours is aprox 20%. well, thats not too bad i guess

i never thought capacity would be a problem with 12 hr rotations lol

[round lichen]

It’s much less than that

Chance of getting at least 2 4-gold orders should be 89.2%

And even in the case where you get 0 or 1 4-gold orders, you can still make it to 12h if you get enough 3-gold orders

[queen flicker]

but the average time is already close to 12hrs, so below average 20% doesnt sound too far off

but yeah anyway i trust you, i suck at math

[round lichen]

My ass was WRONG

Recalculating

[round lichen]

Final answer

[light widget]

what's the 2nd best exp in lv3 fac?

[round lichen]

Team or worker?

[light widget]

team yah

I'm seeing PS as the best, but what can be the sub for it

having vermeil with ramp kinda sad for a sub team

[round lichen]

2 AH + a 35% (or Minimalist if you’re 243)

If no AH are available then 2 35s and Waai Fu

[light widget]

kinda sad there's not much high % stuff for exp fac

[jaunty notch]

no npc sprite. Adding the manga panel makes it stands out

[steady holly]

[steady holly]

this all read as thanking other people to me

[jaunty notch]

it's ok i can do the OH MY GOD I NEVER KNEW THIS WAS A THING to people who send this to me occasionally

[vivid wraith]

is Ave Mujica (all 5) worth using for CC, or is the buffs just not substantial enough

[astral tiger]

just better than nothing

[pale yoke]

bar is on the floor with that one

[queen flicker]

thanks
btw just got my first overcap

[twilit steeple]

isnt she ded?

[final timber]

Where can i find an up to date base guide?

[final timber]

I know its pins but i havent rly found one that has more of the new ops?

Or are new ops just not good in base

[hasty tiger]

The pin with combos literally has a page about ops that aren't out on global yet

It's very up to date

[astral tiger]

how did bro not find this

[final timber]

Will never stop loving how elitist the help channels in official ak are

Thanks for the pointer tho

[hasty tiger]

Is saying that it exists in the resource elitist

[vagrant blaze]

[candid ice]

If I'm running Provisio with Quartz in a level 2 TP, how many factories do I need producing gold to avoid running out? Assume no drones are used on TP.

My base's right side is a bit messed up so I have 3 lv3 facs and 2 lvl 2s.

[wicked canopy]

being rude to people just for having trouble navigating the mountain of resources in the pins is a little elitist

[wicked canopy]

3 should be enough, but it's really recommended to drone the proviso TP as much as possible! if you still run out, you can drone gold as needed

[hasty tiger]

Without droning its possible 2 can cover it

[candid ice]

Hmmm....so put all the level 3s on gold and the level 2s as EXP?

[hasty tiger]

I use 3 while fully droning prov

[wicked canopy]

you'll probably want to keep EXP production in level 3 factories since XP fills up factory capacity faster, especially if you check your base less often than every 12 hours

[hasty tiger]

But it's easy enough to change what a factory is doing if you end up too negative or positive

[rigid plume]

If you have 252 setup, you just run 3 Gold and 2 EXP. Done.

[hasty tiger]

Maybe it's just a me issue but it didn't read as rude. Simply stating that it is in fact up to date and has new ops listed

[wicked canopy]

I think it was the other commenter who was the problem there

[hasty tiger]

A little bit more on the nose but it's pretty clear in the doc if they looked at the tabs at all

[astral tiger]

They claimed to have checked the pins, doc is the 4th link from top having "guide" in the name.
Assuming they did all that, it was funny to then not be able to locate the navigation tabs at the bottom

[hasty tiger]

some of that stuff I feel comes down to their impression of elitism vs their entitlement for not investigating the offered docs tbh

[astral tiger]

Guess it did come off as rude tho, so yes, sorry for that

[crystal dagger]

Does not leveling reception room to level 2 helps getting the last trading post to lv 3? What’s the point of getting reception level 2 anyway? I understand that for workshop and training room but

[rigid plume]

Reception Room Lv2 and 3 opens up 2nd and 3rd SupportUnit slot, respectively.

And adds more friend slots.

Which is... not crucial for standalone account when you mostly demand units from others.

2nd Trading Post being Lv2 is a feature, look at Proviso picture.

She doesn't need Lv3 TP.

She IS the Lv3 TP.

Meaning she gets only 2s and 3s

So with her base skill, you will get 4s and 5s

100%

Every time

Spare power can be putted to Factory instead.

[astral tiger]

u gotta yeet a dorm

to run max left

or not max out your TR

[crystal dagger]

I mean I heard we only got 50 slot before and need level 3 for 100 friend slot. But somehow we start with 100 slot anyway

[queen flicker]

i wouldn't lvl up reception room anyway

[rigid plume]

We got QoL stuff from Hai Mao.

[rigid plume]

He increased the initial cap.

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-lowlight-lowlight-sigma-hai-mao-sigma-hai-sigma-gif-9081627343844428954

[astral tiger]

ok can't even tell in that SS but that's lvl 2 TR

[crystal dagger]

But I really want all 9 production facilities be level 3 is that possible while having level 3 workshop and training room ( for mastery 3)

[astral tiger]

if I want lvl 3 I'll have to remove a dorm to free up 30 power

as u can see

[rigid plume]

9 production facilities

That's like hard copium of 090.

[crystal dagger]

More like they don’t balance the facility. The reception and office is the most useless station , they even nerf the lmb discount from high level office (by removing that completely). Office should give us lmb instead at level 3

[rigid plume]

I wouldn't mind lmao

[crystal dagger]

Oh if I keep right side 1313 I can max all left side level 3 and keep all 4 dorm. That’s very good. What does keeping reception level 1 lock me out of? The mission and does it matter ?

[astral tiger]

no no that's 1312

if u want 1313 with max left u have to downgrade to 3 dorms

[crystal dagger]

Oh that check mark blocked the level. But you have to have workshop level 3 to level level stuff to level 3 and you have to mastery some of the Operator. Worth it running 3 dorm at level 1?

[astral tiger]

I kinda need the last dorm so I'm just coping with lvl 2 TR

Do have good units on the account so it doesn't really effect me

essentially going without masteries for the most part

[crystal dagger]

So once you level up the training room you have to get a trading post down to level 2? Can you remove the 4th dorm completely later on ?

[astral tiger]

u can remove the 4th dorm

it's manageable but your rotations should be properly staggered

cuz most of the time I can make do with 3 dorms (4th one doesn't get used)

but yeah sometimes it does

esp when you use ops to craft stuff in workshop

[crystal dagger]

I mean why don’t u make reception level 2 for the mission rewards or what not? Is 4 dorm really that important?

[astral tiger]

if I make RR lvl 2, it will lock me out of max left

I do plan to get TR to lvl 3 eventually

which means I will be downgrading to 3 dorms

would rather have that leverage instead of being forced to have either TR 2 or lvl 2 TP

if you get my point

[queen flicker]

join my pain

[astral tiger]

maybe once I get mlynar

TR lvl 2 is much better than accidentally gimping my rotation cuz of 3 dorms lol

[queen flicker]

it depends on your rotation but usually most shifts only take ~10 dorms slots

and sometimes mainly when rotating my cc, it takes ~17 slots

[astral tiger]

I'm running ave mujica as my main cc team

dont have anything better in this acc

so it gets rotated frequently

[queen flicker]

but many slots are from sub teams and dont need to recover for the next shift. so even if dorms are fully ocupied, you still have 2 more shifts to recover those

[astral tiger]

hmm

I'll have to check ig

[queen flicker]

doing masteries and crafting is a pain tho

[astral tiger]

will write out my rotation on a sheet

and see

yeah for sure

[queen flicker]

like for example this is my current cc. sub team doesn't need to recover for the next inmediate shift. or i can save 1 dorm slot with lava alter. she doesn't need to recover, i can use kroos alter instead.

[astral tiger]

makes sense

[crystal dagger]

That sound like something I should do too. Just so many guide still go level 2 reception room confused me. Idk the reason behind it. Maybe we need Reception level 2 to get taxes ? Is there any reason beside that? Taxes is good but can always be traded in for 45 cert

[hasty tiger]

You need even more account damage than lvl2 rr for texas

[astral tiger]

no real reason tbh

texas isn't good enough to consider bricking your base

especially when u can guarantee her in recruitment if u get the tags

Only reason I can guess for guides mentioning rr lvl 2 would be that they assume you wouldn't wanna knock down a dorm or compromise not having m3 for operators

which means u will be downgrading a tp for proviso

that leaves u with extra 20 power to spare which u can use to level the RR

[craggy horizon]

Should I use the CC?

[round lichen]

?? As opposed to just leaving it empty?

[craggy horizon]

haha yea

Not sure what to use for rotation

[round lichen]

Well check the special tab in the base combo guide, you can probably find something worthwhile even if it’s just the generic +2% Fac and +7% TP

[orchid bane]

CC slot make your base work for longer. So random bollsheet is better than nothing

[lost lark]

What's the above average lmd/gold bars production per day?

I'm not sure if I'm making enough

[rigid plume]

40k LMD daily should be average.

[pallid isle]

with proviso 50-60K+

bars I am bit unsure whats average I get about 90 per day with 2 gold factories and about 120 with 3 gold give or take about 5ish with the 3 gold factories

[magic mica]

Average gold bars is 40/day per gold factory

Slightly more if you have good teams

[round lichen]

Yeah 90 per day from 2 factories is a lot, even if all your facs are Lv 3. I’m hitting 82/day with Bryo team + Aroma Waai Fu as my main team and Abyssals + automation subs, my Facs are 1 Lv3 and 1 Lv2

[queen flicker]

i'm curious how my report will look with 4 gold pozy

btw gato, will you update pudding team in the spreadsheet? gallus + phonor with logos in tr

[trim estuary]

Isnt this fake news

https://x.com/i/status/2051971128122384502

ajgkhdksfhksahjfI (@naobutnot)

@orthopera Oh oops didn't know that, let's hope we'll actually get it because yostar forgets QoL updates a LOT

X · May 6, 2026, 10:23 AM

I swear Global always gets QoL earlier than CN did

[astral tiger]

what qol did we get before CN?

[trim estuary]

When I say before I meant scheduled

Like it came out in CN in Act or Die but came with Masses Travels in EN

Activity Rooms came out with Yu in CN, but with Thornsalter in EN

[astral tiger]

I see

can't answer your question tho cuz I didn't keep track of that specifically

but good to know

[trim estuary]

The guy blocked me when I qrt'd it saying that its misinformation 😭

Even gave examples

[pallid isle]

oh I over estimated its more like 82-86 checking my last few days still its pretty high amount

40 average seems to make sense then

[queen flicker]

i get around 92 bars with 2 lvl 3 gold facs

[round lichen]

Depends on the specific QoL. For things like the examples you mentioned, we did get them before the event that they arrived with on CN. But there are some examples of EN getting things WAAAY later. The #1 recent example is pull history, but we also had to wait years for Purestream to join recruitment

[trim estuary]

tbf pull history is more on the account system and web side of things so I sliiightly forgive that

I did mention except the Gryphline related stuff in the qrt

but anyway the person was clearly arguing in bad faith because they later pulled stuff like the Path of Life having Ep15 title when I was only talking about pure qol

[round lichen]

And the big question now is if PC client will be another convoluted, inferior version of what CN got, if EN gets it at all

[trim estuary]

the original topic was a Claim All button for Annihilation

[trim estuary]

inb4 yostar pc client is just a glorified emulator 😭

[crystal dagger]

What ? I need more account damage ?

[hasty tiger]

There are multiple missions to level base before you get Texas. Pretty sure they try to get you to lvl2 reception AND level office

[crystal dagger]

I still use her as that 100% combo with Lapp and exui but yeah… I make mistake going full 2nd bjs 243 setup on main. And try to do it correctly on CN server f2p acc now

[crystal dagger]

Probably not worth it to only have 3 dorm and not have lv2 RR once you get proviso I think. Cuz that s 160% TP vs 190 ish TP only .3 difference but have more room for rest and have taxes Lapp combo easier

[hasty tiger]

Maybe I'm wrong

I'm looking now and it's just 4000 ambiance dorm which is recoverable

[crystal dagger]

For 1313 left side 252 should be 60k lmb + 40K exp or 75K lmb and 30K exp if you doing 342 as 1313 left

[hasty tiger]

Like youve been told before it's not like you're stuck as 2/4/3. Just change to 2/5/2 max right and it's still better

[crystal dagger]

I just don’t like the idea go for half ass max

either go full max left side 2/5/2 or 3/4/2 with everything level 3. Or have every facility at max level. Slightly OCD

[hasty tiger]

That's not really OCD

[crystal dagger]

With the op I got is only 5-6k extra lmb for me. Just need 1 more selector for weedy

I only make 90-100K a day with 2/4/3 which is like 1.5 k short from true 2/5/2 and 6k ish for right max 2/5/2

[hasty tiger]

Ain't nobody making 90-100k a day

[crystal dagger]

30-40k exp with 60-75k LMD

[hasty tiger]

Why in the world would you just add those numbers together

[crystal dagger]

Or you can do full 3/4/2 with the 3rd party software to collect order every time it is up. Can push it to pure 12k lmb I heard

[magic mica]

Imagine making 90k LMD/day

That would be like... 180 gold bars? xD

[pallid isle]

i should check and see if I have any of my 100K reports still

yeah 180 gold bars seems correct

120 is about 60K

i been bad and kinda inactive with my base

ideally though I get with my regular cursed when I can and triple exp 50-52 exp cards 74-80K lmd and 85-90 gold bars

anything beyond that for average lmd is even more horriblely cursed then what I do

[crystal dagger]

I saw this 3/4/2 pics and she still running exp could go almost 120K lmb take out the exp factories

[magic mica]

Thing is, they don't have the gold bars output to support that long term

Good for burning through your supply I guess

[crystal dagger]

Thinking if I should use my $30 ticket for Femmat and level 2nd tailor to Elite 2. So I can have my Tequila team and proviso team always up. That way I probably get 90% more efficiency from not having to switch to a 98-100% only team

[orchid bane]

Wish I could get that LMD

[crystal dagger]

The above pic show he make 119 gold bar when outputting near 110k a day. And still have room for that 17k exp( they can easily make that into gold bar or another Trade post) and that s only doing that manually boosting trick. If they use another software to do the clicking for 24hours probably can do 120K lmb Ez with no exp ( +4 factories on gold bar).

[wary marlin]

does anyone know of any resources for finding the most efficient usage of premium materials? i know peteryr has a page for the most efficient stages and a video for why "sanity value" for materials doesn't make a ton of sense.

never mind, it's in the consolidated shop calculations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WSEzjegLKeFXaOKPgpyNkw5vWQsa4woCQ8m2sm-UFQY/edit?gid=2112700769#gid=2112700769

[queen flicker]

idk if third party tools like that are allowed. probably not. anyway idk how could you even set up a macro for that, seems very complex

[magic mica]

Why would you need clicking constantly? Checking in every 12h should be enough to not overcap drones no?

[queen flicker]

i thought they meant for cursing proviso

[orchid bane]

Probably you should not think about it too much cause value can always change in the future

Just buying newest T4

Also there are newer tier4 in CN new chapter

Thought about keep it for that ? Probably closure and Kal2 could use some

[magic mica]

Yeah, best to keep those instead of exchanging right now

[orchid bane]

But this is like. Not my advice cause you just gonna keep it forever

I just say that better buying newest stuffs at the time

And don't think too much about value

[magic mica]

I mean, not exchanging right now but rather when you need mats for something to use

[orchid bane]

Yeah that is good mindset too

[queen flicker]

oh no. i forgot shamare increase morale drain of her partners

[magic mica]

Thats why you usually pair her with Teq and Bibeak since they have reduced drain

[queen flicker]

i was doing this. but kirara won't last without mlynar

[magic mica]

Why Kirara tho? She doesn't help Teq

[queen flicker]

for pozy team

[magic mica]

Without order increase Teq has only 20% chance of being useful

With Sham alone it's 50 or so

[queen flicker]

totally forgot the morale increase dam

[frank cipher]

prov in lvl3 tp, 4th fia should doable ~~ do it even leeway is 1h~~

[pallid isle]

I think theoretically its possible anyway in a level 2 but requires extreme cursing and heavy morale partners

[pallid isle]

I need to double check but pretty sure when factoring in both tp% and gold% bibeak is still better then kiara

[queen flicker]

but 162% tp proviso 🥵

[pallid isle]

yeah thats the thing that I suppose I have to factor in

the mutiplier she gives does massively increase

kiara is about 20% increase and bibeak is about 14% tp and 13% gold (27 total) but then that proviso mutiplier

so actually pretty close still

[queen flicker]

i dont have mlynar and the likes so for now ill just do 2 kirara shifts. 4 gold pozy tuye without kirara is still better than glasgow anyway right

[frank cipher]

swap pozy n kirara on 3rd shift for extra shift only -40% less of you want, 120% prov still big
4 gold pozy gonna be gold surplus anyway

[queen flicker]

i plan on alternating between 1 exp 4 gold and 3 exp 2 gold. once i stock around 1k bars i'll switch until 100 bars left and so on

[queen flicker]

what do you mean? srry i dont understand

[pallid isle]

kinda always wondered if swapping 4 gold and 3-4 exp is better

[frank cipher]

if kirara cant last 3rd shift in shama tp just swap with poze

[queen flicker]

you mean replacing kirara on her 3rd shift with pozy?wouldnt pozy die too?

[frank cipher]

prov tp no morale drain like shama tp

[queen flicker]

srry i dont understand

[pallid isle]

Whats the rotation plan here not sure I get it either

[frank cipher]

she wouldnt die, and kirara also not die, anyone in shama tp +0.25 morale drain making anyone without -0.25 cant last 3rd shift so you swap them. im out

[astral tiger]

prob should math out if it's worth it

it's still better but that's 5% eff. diff

do u really have to use kirara here?

actually ig it doesn't matter since u will have gold surplus

looks fine then

[queen flicker]

i didnt properly calc it but kirara gives 50% to proviso tp at the cost of aprox -14% to shamare tp and -13% gold. unless im missing something, it should be directly better

[queen flicker]

this is 1 exp 4 gold

and this 3 exp 2 gold

[crystal dagger]

And jayee too. Idk how it is done. It was just mention 3/4/2 with 3rd party thingy can push to 110-120k with 2313

[frank cipher]

if solely focus lmd can reach to 110k as long doesn't overcap (also prov jackpot). no ceiling if cursed tho(5 tp cursed )

[earnest quarry]

I have a 252 base setup, 3 gold factories atm
Was told that this was just average, but how could I improve it?

[magic mica]

What are the teams you're using?

[crystal dagger]

She was doing 110k with 17k exp so probably can do 120k with 0 exp

[magic mica]

Not doing exp would increase the gold bar count produced not the LMD traded

[crystal dagger]

4/3/2 then 🤤 she didn’t do the proviso trick yet. As well as not doing special tequila management

[frank cipher]

still not highest efficiency in 342/432, you can run jay to have same efficiency as poze team but need to log in more while run exp, make little gold burn too much (unless max left)

[crystal dagger]

Can do proviso and jaye tricks at the same time with 3rd party software. I think that thing can also do femantta switching for tequila team so great for 3/4/2 I think

[crystal dagger]

Worth it use my $30 ticket on femamtt ? Or she looks nice to keep 3 people working non stop but doesn’t really give much profit unless your backup team is lower than 90%?

[queen flicker]

personally i would but i'd rather wait for her to show in the cert shop. but if you can't wait yeah. if you don't curse proviso, use her mainly with proviso shamare tequila if you have them

[crystal dagger]

I got a decent 243 team. Just missing weedy and grey alt. To have the best chilling team ( didn’t bother with romanties and Sui family combo) those big combo take too much money to obtain atm( could have start rosmanti combo if I didn’t trade in for lapp alt but I was like 260 tickets in and like why not…)

[crystal dagger]

This is my teams so far. And the 5 hours downtime I would use mujica for CC and other 90-100% efficiency backup teams

What would be best to pick from here ? I got enough strong character like max pot Sakiko/M3/tragodia/wis/ela/prama alt/etc to clear events and get rewards. Femantt for never switch tequila ( get 2 trailor level up) or asclon/ulpin/etc ?

[queen flicker]

well actually if you only have 5 hrs downtime, i guess fia is not that relevant. i'm used to 12 hr rotations, never did 243 and lvl 5 dorms. maybe other 243 user can guide you better with their fia usage

[earnest quarry]

Hey sorry, went out and didn't see a tag
I don't use any particular units in rotation or anything, had a look at the pin here, but am missing some of the combo units
I do have proviso, whom I use when available

[ornate saffron]

Can anyone help me to optimally setup my base for me to log in 1 time per day without Fiametta rotation?

[magic mica]

I asked cause my suspicion was that you don't rotate teams untill they 'die'. In general you want to have as much uptime for your best comps as possible and only rotate them out when they are about to run out of morale

[ornate saffron]

Considering I have almost all units

rn I'm using Fiametta and not only it's tiresome to swap units manually for her but also I constantly see how my factories are clogged

[magic mica]

Well logging once a day might have that issue that you hit the cap

You can extend the cap but that will most likely hit your productivity

[hasty tiger]

based on previous conversations about 1 a day rotations you basically cant have optimal and not cap at the same time

[ornate saffron]

well at least no Fiametta rotation stuff

Rn it's

[round lichen]

Momos used to have a method for 24/7 cursing, but I haven’t seen them here in the last few months. Not sure what happened with that. And realistically most of the current methods probably involve a little bit of ToS-breaking tools, but I’ve heard that CN has one that’s undetectable (which I would NEVER condone using ). If we get PC version, we could have a programmable controller handle the inputs for cursing, which I don’t think would break ToS

[wind otter]

that thing is Voldemort, it shall not be named, it doesn't exist

[astral tiger]

surely by wang banner

even have a steam bind in game

so surely

[crystal dagger]

So actually not worth it to buy fia from $30 selector ?

[frank cipher]

p2w in game is different kind of worth, not even worth e2 op for base with game currency
-# i would pay for Quibai l2d skin

[woven stratus]

is 80% byproduct rate in workshop a scam? i crafted like 10 materials and only 1 byproduct

nvm so it is base 10% and +8% 🤦‍♂️

[astral tiger]

yes

[crystal dagger]

Isn’t there a 100% one but never come back again?

[ornate saffron]

I mean if you're willing to manually place Fia with one of the 3 units that requires resting 2 times a day - go for it

I'm doing it for quite a while now and got tired

[final timber]

Realistically whats the average per 24h lmd/exp of 252 and 243?

[astral tiger]

depends what you'd consider avg

ig if we assume you only levelled the 4* workers and dont have shamare and proviso teams, you can expect 29/30 exp daily (2 exp facs) with like 40k~ lmd ig

while droning tp

unless by 24hr u mean only logging in once, cuz that'd cap your facilities so prod will be way lower

[smoky kite]

Rn my values for base are these

Could anyone with a stacked base with good operators show me how much a max base could make

[crystal dagger]

Which units my tequila and proviso team only need replace every 36 hours

And rest for 5 hr

[ornate saffron]

Tequila, proviso and shamare, Fia manages to rotate 3 units

[hasty tiger]

Mines not exodia setup or anything but I've got a somewhat above average 2/5/2

[frank cipher]

dem clean report

sadly gold stuck at 118 overcap prob

[round lichen]

The best WS op for making T4 mats is 9-Colored Deer, but since she’s a collab op, the next best option available to you is Corroserum. Arene and Stainless can also be useful, especially for making T5 mats, but meeting their conditions can be a hassle. Nian has the same byproduct rate as them and no conditions, but she’s a CNY limited op and her morale penalty limits her usefulness

[wide nexus]

is the vermeil team for a beginner efficient? i am still wrapping my head around all of the logistics for riic but i don't fully grasp how valuable cap bonuses are. can someone explain why this is usable?

[wide nexus]

and i just realized it's the e1 skill, it's 2% production per +1 CAP provided, i wasn't really reading correctly lol

[hasty tiger]

It's better than a standard op 30/30/30 setup so yeah

[wide nexus]

yep i did not realize it meant additive +2% per cap value from self and others

still learning how to read ingame skill translations, it be worded oddly sometimes

was mostly using doc for the image references but it made me realize lmao

[crystal dagger]

Is grey alt in kernel or regular banners? I did like over 1K pull the past 3 banner still missing him

[crystal dagger]

Worth it to get fia for 5 hour down time or get something for the rosmantis combo

[crystal dagger]

That’s like 40 gold bar more than my 243

[hasty tiger]

Because 2/4/3 is bad

I've told you a bunch of times already

Imagine, a whole factory of additional goods for the low cost of dorms being level 1

[ornate saffron]

for optimal Fia, if you're lazy like me rosmontis combo

[astral tiger]

it's just cheap with a decent bonus

still worse than a 30% with 2 25%

[jaunty notch]

it's 1 e1 for the entire team, so cost eff wise it's one of the best for sure

and verm is ok in gameplay

[astral tiger]

very cost efficient yeah

also a good enough bonus that u will her for quite some time

also later on will most likely be your best exp team if u get scene and ceobe

only better option is knight team which is costly to setup

[queen flicker]

has anyone tried lvl 2 proviso with 95% tuye? would have to cut out shamare team for pozy+kirara+something on the second tp which probably isn't worth it

highest lvl 2 proviso partner tho

[hasty tiger]

I actually run shamare+tequila+poz/prov+tuye

It was a slight increase in lmd over prov+quartz/exu for me but I know there is some amount of trade of not using bibeak

I also run this on 3 gold+4 durin

I don't have a lot of other multi facility things going on so I've got space

[queen flicker]

yeah thats 50% tuye i believe, but i meant going a bit further

[hasty tiger]

I mean you can still do this but with 4 gold right?

Does Kirara actually enhance tuye?

[queen flicker]

yes. +30 % i think

[hasty tiger]

Oh, yeah. I had read the text above their team saying she was supplimentary and not mandatory and stopped thinking about her

[queen flicker]

but the trade off is too much. shamare team is aprox 138% +33% gold. kirara pozy + any 40% is 105% i think

but lvl 2 proviso tuye with 95% 🥵

[hasty tiger]

You just gotta get to an obscene gold surplus and go 3 to to live our your pozy team dreams

3 tp 4 gold 0 exp

[queen flicker]

right now im using 4 gold kirara shamare tequila / proviso pozy tuye. but i miscalculated and totally forgot shamare md drain so kirara only last for two shifts

[kindred shard]

did i really friked up when i lvled my RR to 2?

[hasty tiger]

It's not optimal but as long as you leave it lvl2 and don't level your office you're still fine

[round scarab]

Anything I should change? And I don't have proviso

[rigid plume]

I would open one more Dorm just for more slots tho.

Which is downgrade two dorms on top and try build the new one on very bottom

Overall, base is nice.

[vernal palm]

does Firewhistle's second base skill give Shamare +15%?

or is that still cancelled out

[frank cipher]

no

[rigid plume]

Interesting question.

[frank cipher]

but morale reduce work

[round scarab]

Levels of dorm doesnt matter?

[frank cipher]

imma throw windchime when sham or teq cant last 12h

[rigid plume]

Nah, they just speedup rest time a bit, but I would rather have more slots for rest simultaneously.

[astral tiger]

if u are managing fine with 3 dorms then downgrade your first two dorms to get your fac to lvl 3

also clear the debris at least to increase drone cap, it maxes out at 235

[round scarab]

What would doing fine be? Always having good options of ops to place in the facilities?

My account is like 28 days old ish, so I'm missing some of those key base operators from what I have seen

Is this fine for now?🤔

[vernal palm]

that looks very good for first month

[astral tiger]

As in you have enough slots to rest your main team

And like, your team rotation doesn't mess up due to not having enough dorm slots

[astral tiger]

it's good yeah, exp can be better

You might be missing castle-3, trying getting it from recruitments

and look into levelling some exp buffing units

once your daily avg hits 30 you'll be good, more than that requires investment in more expensive workers

[round scarab]

I haven't even used the pre set thingy yet

Just rushed the facilities to lvl3

Can I show you my base ops?

[astral tiger]

Sure if u want to

[round scarab]

Probably a bit scuffed but yeah

[astral tiger]

U do have some good units

not sure what you're focusing on rn but getting tragodia to e2 will turn him into a 35% worker

He also has 0.25 mdr so he can work upto 60hrs

also alongwith castle-3 try getting purestream from recruitment

purestream gives 20% gold per tp so normally a 40% gold unit

really good

You can guarantee her with support+healing tab iirc

using support alone is a 50/50 between her and dobermann, the latter not giving much for base

[round scarab]

Not much really, my main squad is kinda done for now until I get more ops, was just doing some mastery, so I was saving a bit for now but yeah I'll e2 tragodia soon👍

[astral tiger]

nice

[round scarab]

Anyone you see on the ss I should invest on for base?

So far I just check every few hours and change ops as needed, but I don't have some key ops like proviso

[astral tiger]

None really stand out tbh

also for your tp use yato instead of melantha

melantha is 25% while yato is a 30%

[round scarab]

Alright ty

[astral tiger]

like other than tragodia, purestream and castle-3 I don't see any other ops that you should focus on

probably just level ops for stages, u can level ptilopsis, she's a good unit with a really good passive and at e2 she becomes a 25% worker so usable somewhere

That's pretty much it ig, after all this if you aren't levelling anyone, u can level up bryophyta for his improved base passive

[round scarab]

Tbh with this I haven't found a stage I wasn't able to do yet. Some of the event ones were tricky, but funny to beat eventually so I guess I'll be saving for now after done with tragodia. Hopefully purestream and the other pop up

[astral tiger]

Yeah with that squad u won't really struggle for 90% of the stages lol

can level up your myrtle, she's a good unit

also crownslayer is worth levelling too, very good fast redeploy cc unit (although needs s3m3 and mod lvl 3 to become that good), she does get 35% exp passive for base at e2

[round scarab]

I'll see about it, I think I got strongly recommended to not invest cs in help channel

[astral tiger]

She is pretty shit without that investment I mentioned

[hasty tiger]

Unit where she has the potential to be very good but it's such a specific niche that it's hard to actually suggest

[astral tiger]

but after that point she's really good

[round scarab]

Will consider after tragodia, but I was thinking to just get and use ops I like only as my squad is decent enough. Reason why I'll skip wang

[astral tiger]

It's not a very specific niche, some annoying enemies and bosses are stun immune, not to mention the majority of elite mobs

While being invulnerable she can perma stun 3 enemies in her range for her skill duration, it's really good

[hasty tiger]

It was just a matter of immunities and restricted to 2 units within range for maximum lockdown I thought. Would rather just kill than lock down

[astral tiger]

Yeah a lot of bosses are stun immune but honestly it doesn't really bring down her value

The stupid ch15 mechs that deal a shit ton of dmg can be stunned, and yeah u can't exactly burst them down easily due to being tanky

steam knight can also be stunned

overall she's a really good cc BUT needs the investment

otherwise yeah if u don't plan on committing that much for her, she's shit lol

[hasty tiger]

Right

[astral tiger]

that module is a nasty upgrade for her

Went kinda off topic but yeah that was mainly justifying levelling her for base, since she can be used outside with investment

[round scarab]

Thanks for the advice

[astral tiger]

just decide based on the pros and cons I listed

yeah np

cuz u do have tragodia, with his s3 u can get better results, her main value in your team would be being able to utilize silverash s2 quickly cuz of fast redeploy

and not having to run trag s3 for the most part

[round scarab]

Yeah I just experimented here and there, had to switch the strat a bit in some event stages but it was fun

Now done with the event

[astral tiger]

yeah silverash is quite the fun unit to use

[round scarab]

Yep, glad I got him

Hopefully ch3n appears first on the banner so I can save quick

[astral tiger]

Good luck

[round scarab]

[pallid isle]

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[sturdy abyss]

[round dock]

Few questions, once we get Nasti, and I'm using Dorothy/Silence Alter now for sub/Mumu

Does that mean Silence goes away and I only need 2 more Rhine?

Also, does Ling affect Wang's morale?

[round lichen]

Mumu doesn’t count herself, so you would need 3 more Rhine to get her to 25. But Nasti counts herself, so if you just want her to get to 40, you would only need 2 more

[round dock]

Oh, she needs someone to get her to 40?

So if I only used Dorothy/Nasti she wouldn't be 40?

[round lichen]

Oh sweet EN player…

[hasty tiger]

Isn't herself +2 only 9%?

Or is this 2 in cc an expected in addition to what's being asked

Okay sheet says only looks at in factory so I'm also just confused what I'm missing with that number

Am I misunderstanding Dorothy where she's giving +5% to everyone else? I think that's it

Ignore me

[round dock]

I was getting to it

She might just be 36 for one rotation then 45

Then probably 39 after that

[untold prism]

tried my best to shoehorn it all into place... biggest problem was the planter though

i might move the outer lamps a bit inward, now that i got the roof unlocked

i am happy that i got this done cause this is my first ever Event style room i got complete

(and i hope i used this channel for its purpose)

[valid storm]

nah, putting everything into one dorm is fine
and most folks here use this channel for hardcore math and statistics, so it's nice to see a fellow decorator

[ionic ridge]

if I dont have a ton of factory slaves is it still worth it to max out my factories?

also what should I use my drones on?

[astral tiger]

yes

[astral tiger]

tp

[ionic ridge]

higher level factories mostly just give more capacity right?

whats the point of bigger factories if I cant staff them?

[astral tiger]

extra unit slot, more capacity, higher innate morale drain reduction

[astral tiger]

U will have enough workers to staff them if u stagger your units.
If you don't want to do that then still you will eventually get workers anyways, just a matter of time

[ionic ridge]

btw, extra capacity units should go into the lower leveled factories right?

[astral tiger]

no unless your factories are getting capped

which wont happen if u can login every 12hrs~

[ionic ridge]

I still have a couple of lv1 factories

[astral tiger]

you should really upgrade those

[ionic ridge]

alright Ive decided. I will lv2 all my factories so they can contain 12h worth of production, only then will I lv3 my workshop

I only have so much concrete after all

[astral tiger]

at that stage u should use your excess stam on the building mat farming stage

[ionic ridge]

who needs lv3 factories? future me who has more baseslaves thats who

[ionic ridge]

I already am. I was doing it even before I got lv4 control center

[astral tiger]

nice

[ionic ridge]

building mat is the only supply operation worth doing right?

[astral tiger]

exp and lmd ones aren't worth it beyond the one time clears

the class chip stages u do need to promote your 4* or higher ops

[ionic ridge]

isnt IS better for that for now?

[astral tiger]

well if you're willing to do that then sure

but IS in the end is a one-time source

if u do all monthly squads then I guess you should be fine for a long time tho

[ionic ridge]

about how many e1 units will I have by the end of that?

[astral tiger]

no idea, didn't check that

[ionic ridge]

I have like 2 e1 units right now lol. will IS murder me or am I fine?

[astral tiger]

chip stages aren't a waste tho

[ionic ridge]

what about red cert stage?

[astral tiger]

should be fine with a good support unit but stick to monthly squads only

[ionic ridge]

whats that?

[astral tiger]

just get the one-time clear rewards, you wont farm red certs before you are done with all other sanity spending stages

[astral tiger]

the middle option

at the bottom of an IS menu

[ionic ridge]

will I need e1 units to beat that?

[astral tiger]

name would be different based on each IS

[astral tiger]

monthly squad gives u a free op to start with, along with that u can borrow a support unit at the start which will help u clear

but yes without e1 units u will struggle

[ionic ridge]

I think I'll go grab tequila and kroos-alt before doing IS then. they wont be e1 tho

what else should I do to prep for monthly squads?

[astral tiger]

nothing, just level some good units

with monthly squads u dont have to clear a run

they have certain criteria like "deploy [monthly squad unit] 10 times" or "Use [monthly squad unit skill] times"

completing those will give u the rewards for the monthly squad

and no u dont have to do it in a single run

so honestly u should be fine even now

just try it out

[ionic ridge]

ah neat. so I should have no trouble getting the chips I need to e1 some of my units

actually, would getting tequila and kroos-alt even help me with the missions?

[astral tiger]

kroos alt is a good unit to level up

teq is good but wouldn't put him at a priority to level up for use in stages

[ionic ridge]

im just trying to think of the order of operations. should I spend my sanity on side stories to get more base slaves for now, or press forward to 3-8 to unlock IS and get chips?

[astral tiger]

there isn't any notable base slave in the side stories aside from bryophyta

teq is only good if u have shamare

without shamare it's not worth to use teq in base

so I'd say just progress your stages and grab bryo and kroos alt from side stories

[ionic ridge]

I was gonna use teq in battle

also how do I not have a single exp-related base skill? I have so much gold ones

[astral tiger]

I can't really comment much on him in battle

I've tried using him but he didn't seem good to me

but I haven't tried him too much to make a proper judgement so better ask around for that

basically don't take my word for teq's battle performance

[ionic ridge]

btw how do I get shamare?

[astral tiger]

get castle-3 from recruitments

otherwise you have to e1 frostleaf and shirayuki

[ionic ridge]

I dont have any of them

[astral tiger]

recruitment or hope she shows up in shop in kernel banner

[astral tiger]

im guessing u dont have vigna either, she gets her exp skill at e0

unfortunate but these all are 4*s so u should get them eventually when u spend some pulls on banner

for now try to get castle-3 from recruitments

robot and gets 30% exp skill when u max it (lvl 30)

[ionic ridge]

what are the chances she shows up without a senior operator tag?

[ionic ridge]

I have never seen the robot tag show up once

can I get him without that tag?

[astral tiger]

dont wait for the tag

just use guard/melee tags and set recruitment timer to 3hr 40mins

cuz that allows for 1 star ops to show up and u may get castle-3

do note it can take a long time if u dont get lucky tho

[astral tiger]

still a 50/50 chance, with or without senior op for her

[ionic ridge]

it feels so luck based to hope for a debuff/supporter combo

[astral tiger]

it is indeed luck based

if u dont get lucky with kernel/recruitment u gotta wait 6 months for a free 5 star ticket

through which u can claim shamare