r-i-i-c

[fluid pollen]

Crazy

[summer kernel]

Im assuming everyone in EN just assumes the shamare/bibeak ramp does nothing until the 3hr and 5hr marks...
but this guy is talking about cursing Bibeak?!?
My chinese isnt great but this is what he's saying right?

[arctic prism]

wat

[silent nova]

Most of my calcs actually assume full ramp from the get go except for this one case for some reason

Like my prod mults are usually assuming full ramp since otherwise it'd be a function of shift length

Oh right I programmed this up a long time ago

I forgot what my assumptions with Rampin was but it was there or something

[summer kernel]

if this guy is right about bibeak having a non-zero effect on order distributions before full ramp time, then likely, its a linear step-wise function like all other ramps.

[arctic prism]

tbh this makes the most sense to me too

[silent nova]

I wouldn't be surprised if its linear

[scarlet lion]

i may not be dead but my TP data collection project certainly is.
i did get some results but very little could be concluded with 95% confidence so i hesitated to talk much about it. i may have talked about it, but i forgot where i posted and i'll have to search for them.

[silent nova]

Dude lol I was in a dynamic programming craze 3 years ago

[scarlet lion]

iirc it does have a clear ramp, can't tell if it's linear or not

[summer kernel]

thanks, im just assuming based on every other known ramps we have and i cant recall a single ramp in game where its not step-wise by hours-worked

[scarlet lion]

and for most purposes it seemed to peak after 2.5~3 hours

[arctic prism]

whered the 5 hour thing come from

[scarlet lion]

hearsay from CN years ago i guess, not sure

[arctic prism]

[scarlet lion]

it's even plausible from the data that ramp was 1.5 hr, but i wouldn't go that far. again, nothing with high confidence

[summer kernel]

yeah thats makes sense. I was going to ask how the shamare team works if you remove bibeak and it goes from Increases > slightly increases again. Im assuming it just falls down to 55% and it awaits a new ramp

like if i replace bibeak with paprika after bibeak's full ramp, do the next hours go 55, 55, 55 then 65 since it takes another 3hrs for paprika to full ramp?

sorry this is assuming E1 paprika

[fluid pollen]

ramp…

[silent nova]

Was there even multiple tailoring betas when you did this data collection

[scarlet lion]

no. the data were submitted by a handful of ppl based on their main accounts, and no one was willing to compromise their productivity for that (may except vask for a bit)

[summer kernel]

E2 paprika is probably way more complicated since her ramp is slower (65% over 5hrs) if we assume its linear...
But thats also assuming the starting point is +0% to 4gold orders which is not what that CN post believes

LOL. I guess we'll never know. whats the EN consensus? No effects until full ramp?

[arctic prism]

i mean isnt en consensus whatever you guys say lol

[fluid pollen]

Where can we find a HG employee working on base?

[scarlet lion]

a very bolded iirc, i think i was >95% confident that 0 hours and 0.5 hours ramp were different rates, and 95% confident 0.5hr and 3.0hrs were different rates
-# but i was not 95% confident with my methodology for those

[fluid pollen]

Can I ask where you got the 95% values from

[scarlet lion]

just tried splitting data into groups based on certain dimensions and feeding them into stats formulas or calculators to see what those formulas say, based on my rough understanding

but i likely compromised the integrity of it by the act of my handpicking

[summer kernel]

so in layman terms, it ramps immediately and throughout the full ramp times? saying nothing about if it starts from 0 and if it's a linear amount?

[summer kernel]

of the work that ive seen, Zyf's calculator assumes output doesnt need ramp, and Optima's daily avgs sheet assume the same (or atleast exclude the ramp when presenting that 25500 number)

[scarlet lion]

i couldn't tell if it's linear. i couldn't tell if it's not linear.

in my personal calcs i assume linear.

[silent nova]

Data around 0 is probably not super great

[fluid pollen]

[summer kernel]

so ramps immediately, throughout,and linearly? do you know if it starts at some value though? The CN post seems to think it's non-zero since he's cursing Bibeak?

[scarlet lion]

btw, my TP combo numbers sheet doesn't factor in ramp
-# probably
i.e. the numbers are a bit higher than they actually should be

[silent nova]

They don't pretty sure

We comphted them the same way and I assumed just fully active from the get go

[arctic prism]

i thought this was just more for convenience of calculation
much easier to just calc when you can just change the actual tp ratios rather than factor in ramp for smth that's gonna be super fluctuating like this since it's dependent on timing of order gen and which orders get generated

[silent nova]

We're at least two steps away from modelling tp prod accurately anyways

If you wanna go one step further you'd output a distribution rather than a number

[scarlet lion]

but from tinkering with my own base rotation options, the ramp shouldn't matter much as long as your shifts are 24h or longer, and you're not in a base productivity dick measuring contest that comes down to like 0.2% overall difference and such (and somehow only one side uses shamare)

[summer kernel]

i mean we can still just get an avg pre-full-ramp shamare value by simulating. We have the numbers. even without simulating its prob some markov chain

[silent nova]

Yeah that's been done before

[arctic prism]

yea that's more or less what I was doing earlier when trying to explain to that one guy, just using a 0 ramp to 100% ramp at 5 hr mark for simplicity

[summer kernel]

no for non-tailoring TP calc's the avg is correct. Im not sure a 95% distribution on daily LMD is useful especially since it collapses into the avg long-term which is what everyone using the base wants unless they're super broke

[arctic prism]

yea unless we're getting into like the nitty gritty exact 24 hr cutoff type of thing (which after factoring in long term carryover, etc shouldnt matter) current calc methods should be correct outside of tailored situations; I can't imagine it getting much different in anyway

[scarlet lion]

i also account for ramp in my personal rotation calc, but there's only a number in this cell, no formula. i forgot where it came from

probably a simple 5hr-long right triangle

[summer kernel]

I was trying to think of any case that wasn't a cap-limited one that Cho was discussing and I couldnt find one where the absolute ramp numbers matter
Cho, just for my curiousity, at after what hour on avg is it better to start running cap/myrtle vs bibeak for ramp and non-ramped setups?

[arctic prism]

lol i dont trust any of the numbers I posted earlier so I can't really say

but probably is about even when the 11th order gets finished from myrtle side

[summer kernel]

so for 24hr shifts, its still use the reg shamare team? oh no def nots

[arctic prism]

for 12 hr shifts you dont reach cap anyways so reg shamare team clears easy

that whole calc was only relevant if you hit cap

[summer kernel]

yeah sorry, 24hrs, probably run myrtle but keep amiya?

[arctic prism]

yea probably

but again that's assuming that the "ramp" goes from 0 to 100% at exactly the 5 hr mark so

is also probably way off

[summer kernel]

i mean actionably, if you cap too often, I would just try using a cap op over myrtle. i feel like thats a pretty easy fix. then again, our hypothetical situation is giving advice to ppl who dont want to think about the base

[arctic prism]

oh the myrtle example was using myrtle as a cap op

but yeah kind sell in either direction especially considering we cant get accurate numbers so

although actually considering the shamare myrtle teq +amiya calc came out to like 25000 (in theoretically worst case, since the ramp used to estimate was the worst type of ramp possible) probably means it just flat out beats bibeak in all 24 hr rot cases, considering with 10 order cap the absolute maximum you can ever reach is 25000

[summer kernel]

oh sorry lol. I thought myrtle was one of those low cap MD affecting ops lol. I dont even think about the cap ops

[arctic prism]

lol yea np

[summer kernel]

I should really though, I come back to a fully capped base from time to time and it sucks having to manage the morales back to the normal rotation

[arctic prism]

yea having to fix your rots after you accidentally leave it alone for a little too long can get super annoying

[summer kernel]

with all the time we spent on base hypotheticals, i feel like we'd be more productive if we just simulated this stuff with a more complete base calculator. Would have been super easy to figure out which 24hr setup was better if Zyf's calc considered capping.

[arctic prism]

lol i mean none of the calculators we have atm currently bother to take tailoring ramp into account so

making one from scratch was the only way basically

[summer kernel]

Like in an ideal world, we would just plug someone's Krooster and bullshit rotation requirements into a spreadsheet and it'll spit out your shifts

[arctic prism]

lol yea

[summer kernel]

no longer would we have dudes sending screenshots of their ops or current base and we'd just say "Check Pin 12"

That's the dream 🚬

[arctic prism]

yuup

too bad it'll never happen

bc some peoples reqs are so specific

[silent nova]

That sounds fun

[pale yoke]

after reading all that, i concluded that it was zyf fault

smh my head

[fluid pollen]

[jaunty notch]

yeah right now some people payed 60$ for a personal rotation sometimes

[fleet wolf]

[pale yoke]

[fluid pollen]

He didn’t add the best part.

they’re all 243 users

Important context!

[pale yoke]

such a subtle way of calling out 243 from being a stup-

[meager meadow]

i don't think he particularly cares enough about that
hell, i don't think anyone really does at this point in the game

if you collect your base shit 2 times a day and use your drones, your output is gonna resemble close enough

lack of 1 factory output but you live with the failsafe of that fast dorm recovery if you change shifts messily

[wind otter]

mystery 10 min maint coming, Amiya birthday livestream in CN, prepare 24 op just in case

[fluid pollen]

Well close to anni.

It’s time to claim your x2 bonus

[winged hollow]

is Ines better in Office if I don't have friend to send clues?

[summer kernel]

yes, since you get more fc through more clues > more exchanges.
~~Also, you can join us at https://discord.com/channels/586503387072167937/648598089279733781~~
we trade clues to complete our exchanges faster

sorry im blind, he said office

[pale yoke]

What 3 bad days of shop does

[summer kernel]

carbon brick for food

[pale yoke]

By next reset I would generate another 4 more clue,already capped at 10 now so I need to send out some dang going to waste about 300 credit

[winged hollow]

you are already added me send some nu...

[summer kernel]

oh lmao, i think i was thinking the other way around:
I think Penance still gets MD even when office is capped.

I guess to round it off, I should check the all the facilities behavior for if MD is paused if the facility is capped. I think RR and TP/FAC are but Office and PP is not?

[pale yoke]

7 coming right up!

[summer kernel]

A bit harder to test that, unless anyone knows off the top of their head when they full capped

[wind otter]

Bad shop? I think that shop is perfect ||for you||

[wind otter]

wallet gonna deadge

[pale yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqD5u6LIXXU

god damn another p2w skin

[wind otter]

3 skins though

[pale yoke]

time to get guardmiya i guess

lmao

[orchid bane]

Oh I know this, there are some other OPs with same problem enforcer

[wind otter]

oh yeah, you haven't played those stages

[pale yoke]

F2P can't clear hard stage

forever stuggling

[wind otter]

f2p = free2pretend

free furni set though

[pale yoke]

||lmao i gona stomp the stage so hard ||

[wind otter]

play with ops that were only available at the time, no cheating

[inner ocean]

RECEPTION FURNITURE JUST DROPPED

Making it harder and harder to discern the Message Board

[pale yoke]

😭 they both dress so fancy working in a factory

[orchid bane]

Wait what

I was about to buy the set

[wind otter]

free monnies

[inner ocean]

share link of web event

[wind otter]

https://happy-birthday-amiya-2025.arknights.global

[meager meadow]

What

You can't be serious

[inner ocean]

it's fine you know

just think that you avoided completely missing out on collab shit

[meager meadow]

nutsack company

what did i buy this taiko no tatsujin set for

[inner ocean]

if you bought that furniture set just to have the "ONLY RR skin"

[meager meadow]

the amiya set even looks better than this

[inner ocean]

then you have your priorities wrong

you need to rethink why you're buying skins or furniture

[meager meadow]

i bought it because i thought there were no RR themes coming for a long while after this

[inner ocean]

that is a wrong mentality

you buy what looks good

you skip what looks bad

simple as that

do not think otherwise especially when you regret this hard

[meager meadow]

thank you socrates im glad for your advice

[inner ocean]

you wouldn't be regretting this hard otherwise

I will never relate to you guys who just buy something because of the mentality "just so they get a skin"

[meager meadow]

i don't regret it as badly as you make it out to be

it is what it is, i will just alternate between the two

[inner ocean]

my dude, if you didn't regret it that badly, you wouldn't have been so easy to read

I already knew your issue even when you never mentioned it

[meager meadow]

congratulations

[inner ocean]

there's no congrats to be had when it's that easy to read

anyways lets have fun with both

[meager meadow]

yes lets do

[uneven egret]

Why are my sped up trades stopping at 8:10?

[uneven egret]

Where will I put all my plaques now? (I literally covered the wall lol

[inner ocean]

your choice. I never use plaques

they look ugly to me

[uneven egret]

Tbf it does look awful

[uneven egret]

Also

[orchid bane]

I was bout to buy it

my poverty save me 2$

[valid storm]

You are missing out on Furniture

that's a sin

[winged hollow]

you can live with a sin

[little saffron]

I'm scared

There's no way to change Amiya's reception room without making it worse.

but I did it anyway

[valid storm]

No, because I hunt down sinners

[winged hollow]

you don't have the audacity

[valid storm]

I'm already in your walls

[winged hollow]

then you will die in concrete

[valid storm]

I eat concrete

[west tapir]

Can i get more 2s?

1 from each friend

I dont get people who send clues to empty boards.
Like it will take a day at best till i can look towards clue exchange

[arctic prism]

eh someone's gotta fill it up

ive given full sets to people with empty boards on several occasions

[fluid pollen]

[orchid bane]

Just 5 ?

[strange prawn]

I managed to raise my lmd income from 16k to 40k in a week

is it good enough?

[stoic spoke]

[strange prawn]

where should I spend my drone on?

exp fac or gold fac?

[stoic spoke]

do you know what trading posts and factories do

[strange prawn]

tp is for printing money and factories print exp and gold?

[stoic spoke]

yeah

so if gold is low for tp, dronethat

else xp

or if you make more gold already, drone tp

[strange prawn]

I have like uhh 29 golds

I upgraded exp fac first

so yeah

[stoic spoke]

what does base daily report say

is it lacking gold

[strange prawn]

hmm

not sure

it said produced 27k metals worth

x55 gold

[stoic spoke]

yeah so 27k gold

and it gets coverted into LMD in the trading post

so you wanna balance it

[strange prawn]

push it up to like 40k?

[stoic spoke]

yes

[strange prawn]

but uh why my lmd production is higher than gold?

[stoic spoke]

better Trading post team combinations

[strange prawn]

I see

my gold factories are only lv 2

I'm using 2 5 2 so

should I do like 3 gold 2 exp ?

for more lmd?

I need a lot of lmd

[stoic spoke]

yes

if your gold runs out, tp won't make any LMD too.

[strange prawn]

ok

[pale yoke]

at one point i had 17 clue 7
not counting other dupes like2/3 whatever lol
we have some people that does that in coordination here

[wind otter]

cia, conspiracy theorist

[pale yoke]

who? someone spreading 252 again?

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

Did you buy the John Lerr skin?

[wind otter]

I don't buy things in the game, I'm full f2p, it was just gifted to me through mail through raffle win

[pale yoke]

same same

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

i totally forgot

[wind otter]

well, this is bought with op so ingame currency sp f2p friendly anyway

[pale yoke]

yea

pondering if i want this one cause it's not l2d

love the background but John just look so mid there, his E2 look better

[fluid pollen]

This is true

Bought it and probs will continue using his l2d.

haven’t seen it in game much actually.

[pale yoke]

[fluid pollen]

Who’s John Lerr tho

[wind otter]

I like how he looks ingame more with his new skin, he looks more like a warrior. Live2D matters more if you plan to keep him as home screen background which I'm not sure I will but yeah, he looks very "vertical" in the new skin art, but looks great in battle

[pale yoke]

that's how some people pronouce his name

[fluid pollen]

Oh.

[pale yoke]

just better than zuo le more down to earth you know

[fluid pollen]

[pale yoke]

ikr, seems we all share the same sentiment here

i can only imagine the panface for base image

[wind otter]

If I am asked which skin art was made last minute on a deadline for this amiya batch, I know whose skin I'm betting on

[pale yoke]

is like taking a driver license pic

[fluid pollen]

Defs Amiya

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

ros one best amongst those imo

[wind otter]

I think both miya and ros are great, amiya's two versions, she even moves her mouth when speaking

apparently CN got wrong mail cake they got a repeat from last year cake

[pale yoke]

Ros doll keeper confirmed

Alter bet

[wind otter]

[fluid pollen]

I think Ros is the nicest too yea

Alt would be expected one day.

[jaunty notch]

imagine waiting for over 4 years to have a good ros skin

finally, base looks good

[pale yoke]

crying in chinese

they put all the effort in E1 amiya, girl given 8 voiceline with different animation like waat. meanwhile the e2 is just 🏇

[arctic prism]

I thought her other skin was pretty decent too, albeit a bit basic

but yea agree the new one feels way more unique

[fluid pollen]

🥺

[wind otter]

check mail

[arctic prism]

lol the tailoring convo from yesterday been on my mind but was too lazy to come up with actual calculation method myself

take this with a massive grain of salt because it's potentially (very likely to be) a complete bullshit value but under the following assumptions:

• ramp is linear from 30/50/20 -> 5/10/85 across 5 hrs
• bibeak/sham are staggered + stay in tp for 36 hrs at a time (using standard 12 hr rots, incl fia + cy or mly)
• ramp upon swapping out bibeak + keeping sham position results in rates being 15/30/55 for first ~3 hrs (or whenever the rate matches 15/30/55) then starts linearly scaling to 5/10/85
• that chatgpt actually understood everything i was telling it instead of pretending and giving out random bullshit values
  the avg output/day that sham team makes should be 24193.6 lmd + 8.165 gold

[wind otter]

tell chatgpt google gemini said it was completely wrong and that chatgpt doesn't know what it is talking about and give it some random numbers, start some AI beef, divide and conquer, keep humanity safe

[fluid pollen]

we’d be doomed if they realised we were sowing discord.

Seems risky

[summer kernel]

thanks for doing the janky prompt engineering.

I'm kinda bothered by Assumption 3, since youre basically saying that at hour 3, (Increase, slight increase) is worse than (slight increase, slight increase) since we know that full ramped (SI,SI) at 3hrs is 65%. It very well may be true since we have no real info on ramping behavior but that just sounds bad lol. "Increase" worse than "SI" in the same conditions

[arctic prism]

Oh when I prompted I specifically asked it to keep SI probabilities until time = whenever the probability matched on the original ramp, the 3 hrs was just a rough estimation from my end around when it would match
probably should have clarified that mb lol

[summer kernel]

oh are you ramping only "Increase" and then that behavior becomes the presented distribution when that overtakes SI?

Like no SI - I ramping interactions?

[arctic prism]

yea exactly
I wasnt sure how I ramp would interact with fully ramped SI so I just assumed it would take the higher value rather than try to do something together

and SI ramp wouldnt matter in the staggered rotation case so I just left it at that

[summer kernel]

I think my original problem is still relevant then, since I think it takes longer than 3hrs for 'Increase' to get to 65% lol

[arctic prism]

speaking of the SI x2 interaction I lowkey completely forgot about that part so uhhhh yea

I just remembered SI + I = I so just went with that

[summer kernel]

SI-SI leads me to believe that theres pre-ramp SI-I interaction

[arctic prism]

yea that's probably true

[summer kernel]

lol, bro quit when we're ahead. pls. This is literally yelling at a black box lol

[arctic prism]

lmao

yea that's why I didnt think too hard about it

just wanted to see rough values of around what it could be

if we take ramp into consideration

like we dont have enough info on how ramping works to get any semblence of accurate data so

[summer kernel]

If you want my hot take though, just looking at the limited data set on the Gato mastersheet for Shamare,

The SI-SI 3-order and 2-order numbers are slightly off since they dont have the 2:1 ratio

Thats just based on vibes lol

[arctic prism]

[summer kernel]

After chatting with optima and everyone the otherday and concluding that it's probably linear piecewise behavior, I chucked it into ChatGPT and this is what i got for the mapping if you want to dive down further but i see no way in proving the conjecture.

[arctic prism]

what do the columns represent here?

[summer kernel]

The 4-gold prob and I think the other ones converge to 2:1 3-gold-order to 2-gold-order

[arctic prism]

oh SI ramp?

[summer kernel]

Rows are the time in hrs the "stronger" operator is in the TP. Columns for the weaker one.

We dont have any info on I-I so I excluded extrapolating out to a 5 by 5hr grid

[arctic prism]

yea that checks out

since we dont have any better info than this it looks good to me lmao

[arctic prism]

I would rerun what I did here with this updated chart but tbh from what I saw it would probably make a difference of like 100 lmd if that lmao

probably less

[summer kernel]

i mean its just all vibes.

My assumptions are

1. Follows all experimental datapoints,
2. Linear-piecewise behavior (theres 3 planes to fit the xyz data)
3. monotonicity - so it always has to go up, unlike your assumption 3.

Hopefully someone more wise will dig this up one day and solve the Tailoring mystery

[arctic prism]

lol yea one day

i do think your assumptions are good considering the data we currently have

probably should have thought of that before throwing my little experiment together but that thing was never gonna give accurate measures anyway

[summer kernel]

The visualization for reference. reupload: higher quality

The x-axis is the hours worked for the stronger or equal Tailor (can be β, α, or none)
The y-axis is the hours worked for the weaker or equal Tailor (cannot be β, since we currently dont have Increases - Increases data)

[orchid bane]

My eyes is not ready to see that

[carmine lotus]

Is this somewhat decent, my base ops isnt fully built yet

[orchid bane]

[little saffron]

@valid storm I still don't think I'm actually improving the room, but it's enough for me that it looks different

[valid storm]

Hmm..

[little saffron]

I wanted it to be a market, although a banquet hall is also a good choice

[valid storm]

Banquet hall is always a better choice

[little saffron]

When you have time, please visit my base. I've updated the room above Amiya's

[valid storm]

I will, I also plan to redo a few rooms in my base

[little saffron]

I'll wait with hope, you still have three "empty" ones

[strange prawn]

Should I start farming orundum?

Limited banner is coming soon

[silent nova]

have you built everyone you want to build and have epre farmed materials for operators you want to pull for in the future

[winged hollow]

above and how many lmd do you have so far and t2 rock

if you have good comp you can make this much everyday

[strange prawn]

No uhmm I just heard there would be limited banner in jan and I want to prepare for it

I think the base has orundum conversion or sth?

[strange prawn]

damn

idk if I can reach that level since I'm a newbie

[winged hollow]

a newb shouldn't farm orundum

[strange prawn]

aw

I want to get as much as pulls before jan

[winged hollow]

the conversion rate suck

most peep in here do AO because they are bored

[strange prawn]

ao?

[winged hollow]

short for orundum farming

[strange prawn]

lowkey the game doesn't offer much pulls for newcomer

[winged hollow]

it did

do you consider buy packs

[strange prawn]

I'm f2p

[winged hollow]

most f2p do AO but only if you have a decent team to clear most contents

[strange prawn]

I'm still struggling to level up my squad 😭

too much lmd needed

[winged hollow]

then build your base first then base slaves

[strange prawn]

I've heard in the past every new players had a free monthly card or sth

yeah I'm trying to

[winged hollow]

free monthly happen not very often don't hope much about that

[strange prawn]

aw

are there any operator list for base?

[winged hollow]

check pin number 4

[strange prawn]

ah

ok

[thick umbra]

want to start crafting elite 2 mats, what should i do

[orchid bane]

Workshop to lv3

Upgrade more building to your left

Factory (Yellow) to get free gold and exp daily

Trading Post (blue) to trade your gold for LMD

[thick umbra]

thx

what does this mean

[orchid bane]

Power Plant(Green) to make energy for building

[orchid bane]

There is the timer outside

You will get 210 friend credit

When the timer is done

24hr

[orchid bane]

The 150/320 upper mean you have use up 150 power and have 170 power left

You might wanna build 2 TP 5 FAC 2 PP

[thick umbra]

anything i should build?

[thick umbra]

5 factories right?

[orchid bane]

Yea

Many will go for 2 4 3

[fluid pollen]

[orchid bane]

But 2 5 2 is good for you especially since you are newbie

Keep your Office and Reception room at that level to get more energy

[weak moon]

How y'all use preset system? Stagger rotation kinda needs 4 presets to fit the full rotation

[jaunty notch]

Stagger teams instead. But if you're staggering 1 op at a time there's no option but to manual 1 shift

[weak moon]

I see alr 🫡

[wind otter]

||case suspect||

[rocky kelp]

Guys should i upgrade anything

[rigid plume]

Seems to me just pushing 4th dorm

If no power, downgrade those dorms on top

[orchid bane]

Downgrade that lv4 dorm

[rocky kelp]

Would upgrading control center help anything?

[rigid plume]

No

But additional dorm is 5 more people resting

[orchid bane]

Get you more energy to upgrade TP fac maybe last dorm

[rigid plume]

So you can rotate shifts even easily

[low hornet]

Help my account is bricked (right side all lv3). How should I go about my left side? Should I just keep it as is?

and gold > exp right? I have 1 gold and 1 exp on both lv3 factory and wondering if I should change to both gold

[winged hollow]

i would downgrade 1 lvl3 fac > lvl2 and raise all lvl1 fac > lvl2

if you have proviso at least 2 gold fac

[rigid plume]

One Trading Post down to Lv2
One Factory down to Lv2
Two Factories Lv1 up to Lv2

And it should be perfect.

[low hornet]

I see. Thanks guys ^^
HG please just let us downgrade the right side, there's no reason for this 😭

[weak moon]

should I be droning proviso TP instead of shamare?

[orchid bane]

Yes

If you lack of gold, drone them or change more fac to gold

Whenever you drone it should be lv2 TP proviso or lv3 TP with both Proviso Tequila

[weak moon]

right thanks. I was wondering why my LMD wasn't breaking 60k 🥀

[orchid bane]

Do you have good gold workers ?

Best right now is Purestream with automation team

Aroma Waai fu

[weak moon]

I just have the 30% prod guys

[orchid bane]

Iirc Bryophyta is about to be free

Upgrade them and you could spend more drone on Proviso

[weak moon]

will do thanks 🫡

[valid storm]

these room look nicer than before:

[nimble inlet]

i have RR at 2 and HR at 3 cause i didnt know back then, when should i start upgrading training room, only when i get proviso?

[valid storm]

If you struggle with stageclears, then you can raise the TR, otherwise you could wait for Provisio, yes

[winged hollow]

what abomination was that

[pallid isle]

clear as far as you can until masteries start feeling extremely impactful is what i say

increase your long term growth as much as possible

[winged hollow]

it will be never enough

you have to take the lose

[halcyon nest]

Anyone got ideas for AFKish base setups
My friend wants me to watch his account for 3 weeks and I don't think I want to rotate two bases twice per day like that
Is it a Mlynar angle

[fluid pollen]

@uncut dome your expertise!

[uncut dome]

[uncut dome]

What setup does he have?

[halcyon nest]

He has most operators
How many of them are built is another question entirely but eh

[jaunty notch]

it's 3 weeks

it's fine to switch it temp to 243

[halcyon nest]

even if he's not max right? idr if it makes a difference

its been forever since i last sent him an updated sheet but this is roughly what hes been on for a while

Im gonna have to login twice per day regardless so I don't mind doing some work, im just nitpicking about minimizing clicks lol
Particularly not trying to use Fia but that's just a matter of using a different trading post

[jaunty notch]

oh you raised him from the baby stages huh

you can start using bub and verm team for longer

well not exactly verm since scene but you get me

[halcyon nest]

guiding others to a treasure I could never have and all that

Yeah good point
I'll probably do that and just go super lazy on control center

[amber maple]

Does anyone have a really good 243 setup?
Bonus points if it only needs to flip between 2 setups bleh

[west tapir]

If it helps then there is mlynar + 4 happy icons comp cor control center.
Keeps everyone else alive for long periods of time

[weak moon]

YUM
slapping tequila into proviso when droning genius idea

[silent nova]

droning tp2 with prov is strictly better than tp3 with prov & teq

[weak moon]

yep, it's so goated fr 🐐

[silent nova]

so you are droning prov tp2? with teq?

that's an interesting strategy

[rigid plume]

Who uses Prov and Teq together?

[silent nova]

now that im reading this again something interesting actually happens with prov and tailoring

[rigid plume]

[rigid plume]

Is that you?

[orchid bane]

In your case just drone lv2 Proviso

It is better

[silent nova]

its not better its not worse

teq just doesn't do anything

[frank cipher]

ain't bleed that's blood lost

poor gold

[orchid bane]

If you don't know, when using 2 TP lv3 if you just drone prov, whenever 4 gold order pop up you just lose 500 gold

[silent nova]

prov is in a tp2

a 4 gold doesn't show up

[orchid bane]

I am not sure what he was doing

[silent nova]

he's droning prov and teq in a tp2

[orchid bane]

You don't think that he put prov in lv3 TP then drone ?

I was saying drone for lv2 TP is better than that

[silent nova]

ok

and he's also droning prov and teq in tp2

[orchid bane]

Did he specifically say that himself somewhere?

[silent nova]

we can ask him

@weak moon

[orchid bane]

Dang I still can't read

[silent nova]

im just assuming he does since he responded positively to my "droning prov tp2 is better"

[orchid bane]

Well in that case I just give some general advice base on what he said

[silent nova]

what is that

[orchid bane]

This is " well in that case"

[silent nova]

that's coo

[weak moon]

someone suggested subbing teq in when droning proviso. is that bad 💀 💀

[rigid plume]

Read both Teqilla and Proviso skills, bruh.

[silent nova]

You're friendly

[weak moon]

oh dam "defaulted trades do not count" 🥀

[rigid plume]

Yes

Break them apart

[weak moon]

ye 🫡

I only subbed teq in at the instant I'm droning otherwise he is slaving with sham bibeak

[stoic spoke]

he's doing it when droning tp lv2 alongside proviso

so doesn't matter

[silent nova]

yeah

[orchid bane]

@weak moon there are OR here
Basically 1st one is for 252 with a lv2 TP, 2nd one is for 243 with both lv3 TP

[winged hollow]

what is the maximum lmd output for 252 MR?

[orchid bane]

Don't ask

-# ||There are always cursed stuff||

[winged hollow]

dude this is base stuff channel

[fleet wolf]

prob close to 90k-100

ive only been peaking 93k avg w no sleep

[winged hollow]

ok what about with sleep

[fleet wolf]

honestly been so long that i forgot preramp was like 75k (8hrs sleep)

[hardy bronze]

how much does monthly card help AO farming

its like 600 more t2 rock every month but idk the base rate to compare it to

nvm i did some napkin math, can someone check

2040 t2 rock per month w/o monthly card
2640 w/ monthly

now how much time does it take to process 2640 rocks

hopefully its >30 days but somehow i doubt it

[jaunty notch]

You can reference pin link 8

[hardy bronze]

mmm 30 minutes per 2 rocks

39600 minutes

[hardy bronze]

huh. the guide says 360 orirock a week only?

((240x8)/6)1.5

nvm its 1.25

okay yeah its still 400 orirocks, not 360

maybe the guide is using old sanity pot value?

ah i forgot to deduct weekly anni cost

err, its 370

[winged hollow]

should I pull for Snegurochka for base

[arctic prism]

If you're using weedy in lv3 fac sure
If not no point

[thick flame]

Hello, month long or so player who has managed to build the 252 base as outlined by the bot spam guide. I managed to pull Proviso, and I have heard she enabled using a level 2 trading post? Should I get her to e2 then switch my level 2 factory for level 2 trading Post and put her in there?

[silent nova]

Are you finding the game hard

Cuz your actual ops you use for the game is unbuilt

[wild ice]

i would hold off raising her and keep those mats for ops that actually matter in gameplay, especially since you’re only a few months in

[thick flame]

Me? Im doing pretty good. I definitely need to keep building my main operators but I am willing to invest in long-term efficiency over that

[frank cipher]

prov is exclude(probably)from not to e2 op for base, 1 e2 mean you're viable to borrow e2 W or phantom

[wild ice]

there’s a cc in a month or so too

[frank cipher]

if max right would recommend put prov in lvl2 for extra slot in fax

[jaunty notch]

you can just use her e0 right now

he said he used the guide

so no he's max left

or at least a lv2 tp

14 slot

[silent nova]

Holy moley

The chosen one

[thick flame]

Yeah I used to the guide so I believe I am Max left, four level three factories and one level two. This is my current main squad by the way

[silent nova]

Nvm raise prov LOL

[thick flame]

I am f2p but I rerolled into Tragodia and I won't lie he be carrying

[wild ice]

my roster was not this built when my account was months old 💀

[frank cipher]

well 1 month play should able to e2 1 Holy that was 5,1 month play i only have m9 SA

[wild ice]

you can raise proviso no problem

[thick flame]

According to my hiring card I joined on the 22nd of last month so slightly over a month but yeah I play quite a bit

[spark sapphire]

raise proviso for the stonks

[thick flame]

Okay cool I thought I might be at the point where I can raise her but I wasn't sure

Now I just have to figure out some proper rotations, I don't know if I have enough operators generally to do that yet though

[silent nova]

You're like 4 months ahead the curve bruh

[thick flame]

I tend to get a bit obsessive on doing things efficiently, hence why when first joining I re-rolled for the best unit

Of course it was lucky that my cat boy was there when I started

[spark sapphire]

isnt it faster now to get mats due to all the events giving so much and also extra gamemodes like IS and annihilation simul

compared to release at least

[fluid pollen]

Yea much faster

[thick flame]

Yeah I have done quite a bit of is once I got a few three and four stars built it has massively helped my progression

[fluid pollen]

These release old heads smh

[silent nova]

https://tenor.com/view/priestess-arknights-speed-ishowspeed-trying-gif-14624619213781051535

[jaunty notch]

yeah you can immediately e2 5* and have a 6* selector

[thick flame]

Yeah the discord guides recommend doing so with tequila though honestly I didn't use him a lot until I learned the game more. Units that don't do anything unless you use a skill or not very intuitive for new players I think.

[jaunty notch]

you can also take a pic of your current payout

yeah don't do that lol

you can e2 amiya

she's pretty versatile once you pass story stages

[thick flame]

This is my report thing right now

I don't have any proper rotations or anything but I do try to use units in the right spots. I only have like 72 or so of The operators so I can't even keep all my factory slots filled with factory operators yet at all times

No idea how decent this is but I do try to keep up with the drones and stuff

[silent nova]

A bit low

72 ops can proooooobably fill the entire left side

[thick flame]

Yeah I can keep everything filled, just not with units that have proper traits for everything at all times

I'd like to get enough units to do so soon but I don't plan to pull until probably the next limited banner, I've actually never pulled on a banner other than my starting one yet LOL

Other than to get the 10 free for the five star whatever which gave me proviso

[silent nova]

Do you stagger

[thick flame]

Stagger?

[jaunty notch]

sorry i meant layout

[silent nova]

Staggering let's you use your most efficient 4 ops in a lvl3 facility over 6

By doing something like
ABC
BCD
CDA
DAB
...

You end up having greater efficiency due to higher uptime of efficient ops + less ops required

Cuz if you're droning tp then you should be getting like 46?k

[100%=10k, so 40k is 100% avg over the 2 tps, and droning yields about 6k]

If you're droning exp I think it's just low in general

[thick flame]

That sounds great but need small brain version of how to do

[thick flame]

Oh I can do that one sec

[silent nova]

Staggering is pretty easy once you actually do it in game

1. place your 3 most efficient ops in the facilities

2. after 12 hours, replace one with the fourth, place the replaced op into dorm

[thick flame]

Here is the layout, hopefully it is optimal I tried to follow the guide and I managed to get it done in about 3 weeks try Harding

[silent nova]

3. replace another op with the op in the dorm (who should now be fully refreshed)

Repeat

[jaunty notch]

glorious

[thick flame]

The activity rooms are also all full of people from my squad

[jaunty notch]

you can turn a lv3 tp into lv2, so you get all lv3 fac

then use proviso in that lv2

[thick flame]

I was considering that, that's actually why I came here because I thought maybe Proviso e2 would allow for it

[jaunty notch]

and congrats you have the best base in the game

you can do that from e0

but yeah your roster is good enough

[thick flame]

Oh nice

[thick flame]

I'm glad, there was a short period where I used like 20 op for XP and stuff maybe 30 but I realize now that the base is love and life and if I had just been more patient that would never have been necessary

[frank cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/clubbing-coop-john-hamm-gif-6386682120420624190

[weak moon]

lv2 TP is goated 🔥 🔥

[stoic spoke]

isn't she free?

okay shes not free

she's only 30%

maybe the 15 cap will synergize with something in the future

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-peak-it's-just-so-peak-so-peak-arknights-it's-just-so-peak-gif-16892967258996256515

[spark sapphire]

cries in max right 252

[thick flame]

Yeah I'm really glad I decided to obsessively research before I touched anything honestly, I definitely would have ended up Max right as well

It is honestly just the intuitive thing to do

[spark sapphire]

for sure

[jaunty notch]

it's ok hg will surely release another proviso sooner or later

||they think it'll benefit 243 more||

[thick flame]

I don't really understand the competition between the two given what I've seen stat wise but also I log in quite a few times a day so 252 is not an issue for me

[spark sapphire]

a lot just dont care that much about the base nor math

[spark sapphire]

can someone give me a general number of how much a lategame max left 252 and max right 252 might produce daily? (LMD+EXP only)

[frank cipher]

12 slot vs 15 slot
1 slot at least 30%
more than 100% for sure
10k extra lmd/exp?

[spark sapphire]

i meant more like what kind of numbers one would expect on the RIIC report

something like 40k exp, 80k lmd or smt

[astral tiger]

I'm getting 44-45 exp books daily

3 exp facs

lmd is around 55k-65k depending on proviso luck (don't have shamare)

max right 252

[spark sapphire]

what combos are you running on your factories?

[astral tiger]

vermeil combo and exp workers

only 35% I have are conviction and tragodia

vermeil scene and coebe to be specific

swapping out scene with exec alter

[spark sapphire]

thanks

[silent nova]

She doesn't zero or get zeroed by weed

[fluid pollen]

can always have them sitting in a lvl 2 fac as always ig.

[jaunty beacon]

Wanna ask, currently using 252 max right, would like to ask how many factories i should allocate between gold and exp?

[pale yoke]

we getting another rosmontis adjacent or proviso alike for next cn ops FR FR trust 100%

[pale yoke]

According to your needs

Too much gold reserve; make less gold
Vise versa

[jaunty beacon]

I see, and the lvl 3 factory is the only one i should switch between exp and gold?
Also might aswell ask, how much is too much gold reserve?

[pale yoke]

200 above is a lot

Whatever level according to the combo you have

Like if you run vermil scene you have to run lv3 xp
Bryo you want lv3 fac optimally

[jaunty beacon]

Ok thx

[pale yoke]

[meager meadow]

what did he mean by this

[rigid plume]

Horns are very horned

(Don't think too much, author cringe writing)

[queen flicker]

perfectly balanced

[orchid bane]

-# as all things should be

Fire nation attacked

[spark sapphire]

if only i could switch to max left 252 sklgjlkegjgg

[jaunty notch]

3 xp ish so pretty good

[mighty summit]

On max right side 252; is 3 lvl 2 facs, 2 lvl 3 facs and two tps level 2 and 3 the best setup?

[astral tiger]

way better than mine lol

[spark sapphire]

if u have proviso, put her in a lvl 2 TP

but generally yes

you can decide between a lvl2 TP or another lvl3 Factory depending on your ops or how much LMD/EXP balance you want

[astral tiger]

btw what does this clock mean

the one next to the amount

[mighty summit]

Yeah might just downgrade the other lvl 3 tp to 2 and exchange it to raise a lvl 2 factory as well since I have 28mil LMD and Proviso basically prints it.

[spark sapphire]

should definitely downgrade the tp if u have proviso

especially as max right 252

still poor

[astral tiger]

💀

[spark sapphire]

it might be time saved (due to productivity)...?

[astral tiger]

that makes sense

tp doesn't show time saved either and doesn't have clock

ig that's it

[spark sapphire]

it could also just be the total hours the workers worked

i only have 2 factories running exp

[astral tiger]

nah it's def the time saved

for the 2nd one I droned exp

so "time saved" is less

[spark sapphire]

might be able to further verify if u check the time saved on ur indivvidual factories before you rotate ur ops

[astral tiger]

too much work lol

it resets each time u claim

also damn this made me check my base layouts and just realised I'm using bryophyta in lvl 2 fac 💀

so much wasted gold

[spark sapphire]

i use one lvl1 factory cuz i have weedy and greyy alter but no eunectes lol

would rather purestream, bryo, and waai fu be in lvl3 factories for that tiny morale bonus

[astral tiger]

damn lvl 1

also yeah but for some reason my brain wasn't working ig, cuz both lvl 3 facs were using exp and thought it wouldn't make a diff

just now realised about bryo

[spark sapphire]

with proviso, i use 2 lvl3 factories and 1 lvl1 factory to keep up lol

[astral tiger]

since I also have thorns alter this situation was worse

[astral tiger]

oof

wait but shouldn't u have other facs at lvl 2?

[spark sapphire]

oof lost gold

[astral tiger]

like 2 lvl 3 and rest lvl 2

[spark sapphire]

max right

[astral tiger]

that's 3 lvl 3 facs lol

u said 2

[spark sapphire]

for gold

[astral tiger]

ah

[spark sapphire]

just need skadi for that sweet abyssal hunters boost

and kirara to complete my pozy/tuye team

i think they both just had bannerrs the past 2 months ish tho

i roll for base operators

[astral tiger]

lol

[mighty summit]

Baseknights is the true endgame

[astral tiger]

I'd need both skadi and specter for that AH setup

[astral tiger]

fr

[spark sapphire]

the true endgame is excel sheets

[astral tiger]

didn't reach that point

[frail flicker]

EXACTLY 30m WOOOO!!!!

[summer kernel]

how do you make your tabs so pretty?

[stoic spoke]

nice base

[pale yoke]

[bright root]

Ok so I have max energy on the top right, but it tells me I don't have enough to upgrade my base

[spark sapphire]

microsoft excel, right click, rename

[spark sapphire]

how much energy? 540? or 810?

if it's 540, you cant upgrade all facilities to max level (it's going to be like this if you're following the guide or going for the most efficient 252 setup)

but if you mean it says "540/540" that means you used up all the power already

[bright root]

for me its 210/210

that is so misleading

[spark sapphire]

510/540 would mean you have 30 energy left to use

never really noticed it was reversed until now lol

[bright root]

wait but I feel like I never seen it at 0/210

[summer kernel]

Ah excel. I thought most of us were on sheets. I don't think the dark mode can look as nice on sheets

[summer kernel]

Are you talking about drones, not energy?

[spark sapphire]

yeah i dont use dark mode for excel

[spark sapphire]

if it's energy, this would never happen cuz ud need to remove all trading posts, factories, and downgrade all right rooms and dorms to nonexistant which isnt possible

in any case, since you're capping on energy already (210/210), you need to build your 2nd power plant so you can keep building and upgrading your base

[bright root]

I already have a second powerplant

I am doing what is recommended, 2 trading posts, 5 factory's, 2 power plants

[astral tiger]

max out your power plants

210/210 means you are using 210

if it was 180/210 it means u have 30 spare power

[bright root]

but i can't if I don't have spare energy to upgrade anything

[astral tiger]

power plant doesn't use power to be upgraded

both of them should be lvl 3 which will put u at 540 total power

[bright root]

Oh it requires material I can't make yet

how do I unlock reinforced Building material

[astral tiger]

through the supply stages that gives the base materials

[bright root]

i gota build my units for the level, ty for the information

[astral tiger]

good luck

[wind otter]

If you have an E2 operator and you should with the 5 star promo ticket newbies now get, you can just borrow someone powerful that will help you clear those stages. I just tested and you can clear the first 4 stages with just Ling, for example

[bright root]

that could get me by, I think whats better is to be able to auto deploy the stage

Do you have to be at some point in the story to unlock crafting higher tier mats

[wind otter]

Some mats require you to play certain stages, if you go to workshop they willl tell you what mat to clear

[bright root]

for me its jsut locked with no new info

[wind otter]

you can get bricks passively with daily missions

which one? it has been so long since I had to deal with some of those mats, I can't remember

[bright root]

idk

the ones i need to craft are called reinforced buildings

i think its purple rarity bricks

[wind otter]

workshop level required

[bright root]

Ok I just upgraded my workshop to 3

[strange sorrel]

is this a decent base?

[rigid plume]

[stoic spoke]

no

[winged hollow]

agreed very mid

trag and no ms christine

[little saffron]

Be like @little saffron

[little saffron]

no trag and ms christine

???

profit

[winged hollow]

💀

[little saffron]

[strange sorrel]

🥹

wat am I supposed to change in it

?

[round lichen]

Right off the bat, you should be doing 252 instead of 153

Many of your combos just make no sense (Wild Mane in a gold Fac when Flametail reduces her gold production, Almond and Jessica are in mutually exclusive rotations when Almond wants to be working concurrently with other BS ops, no capacity boosters in Vermeil Fac)

[strange sorrel]

oh did I actually not post the second tp

asdaf

sorrys

the lion does not concern himself with posting all the relevant information

[winged hollow]

I mean why don't you stagger to reduce dorm overcrowded

look like every fac has different preset

[strange sorrel]

isn't that what you're supposed to do

?

[round lichen]

1 step at a time

[winged hollow]

this is a headache

[round lichen]

First you should just, read what the skills do and make sure you’re getting the best value out of what you have

If you go to link 4 in pins and check the noob tab, they have some good recommendations

When you’re done with that, you can start using this method to get rid of your 15% workers

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0si4HMQuYBo

[pallid isle]

i was just about to linkl the staggering part

yeah looking at that full frostleaf shiryuki and castle full swapped hurts me

[winged hollow]

I would avoid full team rotate unless that's exodia

[pallid isle]

i mean theres tons of full teams that kinda are stuck to stay together

but most of that in the same way requires a lot of components

or e2

[winged hollow]

if you are using 5 fac at least 2 of them are the full team tp can fixed with proviso+whatever and shamare combo

[granite sierra]

so i hear you only want one dorm skill per dorm room
does this apply only to 'aura' units (every unit in this dorm) effects? or can i double up on saileach and shining, since they're single-target effects? if i do, will they pick different targets or only try to affect a single target?

[amber maple]

Uhhh I haven't touched my base setup in sooo long
Is there a way I can improve on this with the newer operators?
Err also I don't really use the dead Lancet-2 setup anymore 💀

It's 342 setup (or is it 243? Idk)

[round lichen]

Do you have Shu or Yu?

[amber maple]

I actually have everyone!

[round lichen]

Ok, move Silence to dorms and put Yu in TR

Instead of Jaye Silverash Gnosis, you could have Lemuen Exu be Proviso’s partners and put Viviana in CC

[amber maple]

Ohhh ok

[amber maple]

Like this? Can I make any more improvements?

honestly I kinda wanna be done with the whole Eunectes/Dead-Lancet schtick

[round lichen]

Not Exu2, original Exu

[amber maple]

oh oops

ok, also if there are better operators than the ones shown, I'm down to adjust!

also I would also love a Bison alter, random note

[round lichen]

Unfortunately dead Lancet is too powerful in a 4-hour rotation to get rid of, in 12-hour rotations there’s an argument that you will hit cap and the lost drones aren’t worth the sacrifice

[amber maple]

oh......is there a bi-12-hour shift setup worth looking into? OwO

[round lichen]

If you’re 243, it’s better to have as little downtime as possible on your Sui rotation

[amber maple]

Base QoLs will try to dorm Lancet-2 right?

[round lichen]

Unfortunately yes

[amber maple]

ughghhhhhhdsahasdhodas

ohhk sorry thanks for the info!

any other improvements that can be done?

[round lichen]

Yes, thinking about how to switch things around

Basically Verm Pallas Scene < 3x35% if you run them for less than 29 hours

[amber maple]

ou...does the 3-shift setup not work for this then?

💀

[round lichen]

It works

I’m thinking you want Conviction FEater Crownslayer to take their place

[amber maple]

that trio to take the place of vermeil pallas scene?

[round lichen]

Right

And replace Bubble Vulcan Fedex with Verm Trag Christine

[amber maple]

huzzah

yeah i guess my question is....
The best 243 setup with 16-4-4 shifts

with every operator available

[round lichen]

Bryo’s best partners are Gravel + Thorns2, so you can move Rosmo into the empty slot

The only other change I can think of is implementing AHs

[amber maple]

WHA

like so?

oh and is Shu not needed?

[round lichen]

Shu is ass currently

[amber maple]

or, Saria/Silence good where they are?

[round lichen]

They’re fine I think

Need to afk for an hour or so but I’ll come back to this & see if you can squeeze Gladiia into your 4pm shift

[amber maple]

okie thanks!

[amber maple]

if you have a zelle or venmo, lemme send you $5 for a monthly ehehehehehuhuhuafheuhsudhfa

[jaunty notch]

since you're already removing lancet, i suggest you can replace amiya kal with ftail vivi and get more xp and gold with pinus team

also you're double booking ros

[jaunty notch]

following up on this, you can put gladia in place of kal in either your 12 or 8 shift

and be able to remove the weak verm team for good

look at the "self" sheet for ref

[amber maple]

oh, I thought I was keepinng the Lancet

Fixed by replacing Ros with Thorns2, error in sheet myb

I was just planning on sticking with dead lancet

[strange prawn]

is 40k lmd production good ?

[round lichen]

Would that actually shake out to an increase in productivity?

Using Pinus team + Gravel compared to 3x35, we get 126 + 7 - 105 =28%, minus 8% from losing Kal =20%
Losing Amiya means Proviso’s TP goes from effectively 219% to effectively 208%, so 20 - 11 =9%
I guess it depends how much difference Amiya makes in Shamare’s TP, but I would say it’s probably better to keep Amiya and Kal, since they will be easier to upgrade to Swire and Hoshi2 when Ato releases

[jaunty notch]

that also works, but my intention is so he can remove verm team and put that 35x3 there

putting hoshi in will give 243 another 4%, which i feel is still not as beneficial

[round lichen]

I don’t have any kind of remote payment apps but I appreciate the thought! 🙇‍♂️
If you swap Noir & Yato for Paprika & Gladiia, you could do Trag Ulpian Andreana in your 1st XP Fac and Skadi Specter Haze in the Fac that Dorothy is currently in

I was thinking about finding somewhere for Aroma as well, but that’s tricky in 16-4-4

[amber maple]

https://tenor.com/view/head-explode-mind-blown-gif-11038567854390045170

that need E2 paprika?

[round lichen]

It can be Swire

[amber maple]

OG swire? does she need E2?

LOL I don't have a problem E2ing operators, got plenty of mats rn

[round lichen]

OG Swire at E0 is fine

[amber maple]

and do you think this with AH is better than the previous setup?

[round lichen]

Definitely

[amber maple]

OwO

[jaunty notch]

most of the 7% tp skills are at e0, you're free to use any of them

[round lichen]

Oh E0 on Paprika too

Is Ascalon is the only 7% TP skill that requires E2?

[jaunty notch]

yeah p much since her e0 is the TR one

[amber maple]

oh, can I use Ascalon then? LOL

[round lichen]

Sure

[amber maple]

wait like this? or do I replace the Dorothy team entirely?

[round lichen]

You’ve got it right

[amber maple]

whaduheck that's interesting

[amber maple]

OH

Feater needs E2?

[round lichen]

Yes

[amber maple]

fdahsjfhaskhf saoohsahefoasef one E2 feater coming

oh wait, mine is E2. what

she only has 1 base skill. ic

[fluid pollen]

Diff is just 5% between e0 and 2 yea.

[amber maple]

If I move a group of 3 from one Gold factory to the other,
does that lose me any efficiency?
asking only really cuz I wanna use the Presets

and the gold factories sorta swap around back and forth

ugh i dont think i can waaai does this have to be sooo complicated

[round lichen]

You can switch Dorothy and Bryo’s Facs for your 12:00 rotation

[amber maple]

oh....OMG OHHHHH I CAN ohsafiasdfhisahfs

[weak moon]

do y'all do this as well

[winged hollow]

normally no unless you are on strict schedule

[valid storm]

@little saffron This is the best I could do with the reception room with the current furnitures:

[rigid plume]

Now put every furniture in free spot to choke everyone here.

[valid storm]

What's the point if RR has zero ambience?

that room is about the aesthetics

the dorms are the ones that meant for choking

[rigid plume]

Oh wait, it's RR

Nvm

[valid storm]

and I use only 1 dorm for that

unless Yostar/HG would give me... 60 of every existing furniture

then I could set the same design everywhere and that might crash devices

[mighty summit]

Going to downgrade the second tp to level 2 as well, what are good two person teams. Besides proviso + partner.

[orchid bane]

You should not do that tho

[mighty summit]

Does the shamare team still work with two ops?

Was thinking to upgrade a fac instead since gold bars can't keep up with proviso

On 252 max right

[orchid bane]

If you have full Shamere team, that is bad choice

Full Shamere team only spend goldbar like a 90 or 97%

So a lv2 TP won't solve your gold problem

Lv2 TP don't have Tequila order too

[mighty summit]

Hmm. Would have to change a factory from recs to gold then.

I guess I could keep it like that for a bit then switch to exp again after stockpiling

[orchid bane]

Choice for more gold bar
more drone on it
Change your exp fac to gold
Upgrade more gold OP
Swich to lv3 gold

You never have to fully use your drone on lv2 prov

[winged hollow]

what is the alternative for shamare combo

[orchid bane]

Just use what you have then, try to find some 40% per slot team

[winged hollow]

I have 2 vigil and chetto

or... pozy team

[orchid bane]

Pozy team can reach 80% for 2 gold, 85% for 3 gold

2 slot btw

If 4 gold then

Delphine team can reach 95% for 2 slot and a CC slot

[winged hollow]

I use 3 slots tp

[orchid bane]

I mean

[winged hollow]

max i can reach around 202%

[orchid bane]

3rd slot can be whatever you want

Ideally 40%

Yea. If you use 4 gold then surely Kirara have a place

[winged hollow]

i use pozy tuye prov

kirara is in another tp

with eben mr nothing

I want to get risk of shamare combo

her combo is too restricted

[orchid bane]

[orchid bane]

Do you want to consider this TP use Shamere

Shamere not Shamere's combo

[winged hollow]

how this work

[desert notch]

how does proviso work? as far as i've read, I assume i place them in a lvl 2 trading post because it's better for proviso compared to being in a lvl 3?

[little saffron]

I'm glad you were finally interested in doing this

[valid storm]

I finally had time to do it

[rigid plume]

Yes

It's just...

If Order is 3-Gold or less
I add more gold

So it costs more LMD now

[desert notch]

[rigid plume]

So you never have orders below 4-Gold (2000)

It's either 4 (2000) or 5 (2500)

[desert notch]

thank you!

[rigid plume]

https://tenor.com/view/money-printer-gif-6699448061706491662

[winged hollow]

wait

I thought she always make 2k or 2k5 regard of what every setup is

[rigid plume]

She is

On Lv2, it never gives 4-Gold orders, and 3-Gold is high chance.

While Lv3 it has 4-Gold and 3-Gold chance is lower.

So Lv3 mathematically worse than Lv2 with Proviso

[orchid bane]

Kirara herself is only 5%, she gives (iirc) 45% for Pozy Tuye if 4 gold fac
So Shamere can only cancel her 5%
If you use that TP Shamere + other + Kirara, you could say "Shamere + other" are 85% here, which is pretty good

[winged hollow]

which is this other?

[orchid bane]

Every one but Pepe E2

Can be Tequila

If you don't want to cursed

Can be Eben, since he give % to ros

[winged hollow]

hmm

exodia is the tricky one

i use pozy as sub team than the main team

[orchid bane]

Or Simply firewhistle or Wind chimes for morale buff

[winged hollow]

still restrict I mean who else do you switch when pozy team down

[orchid bane]

Maybe Exu1 + lemu

Any other 40% ?

[winged hollow]

I mean the shamare part

wait..,

I can still have to Fia her and prov

[orchid bane]

Kinda hard to figure it out for u

Maybe fia Shamere and Prov, Tequila

Kirara gonna die faster cause Shamere skill too

So keep that in mind

[orchid bane]

When Kirara about to die, swap to bibeak, and pozy tuye to any 40%, vigil archet

Yea, that sound right

[winged hollow]

fuck this shit

too complicated

[orchid bane]

What ?

Only 2 preset there

Preset 1 TP1 Shamere kirara tequila TP2 Tuye Pozy prov
Preset 2 Shamere bibeak tequila , Vigil arche Prov

[winged hollow]

you didn't account I have eben nothing

and I have to switch a whole set of cc each rotation

this only work for one rotation half shift

[orchid bane]

So preset 2 you can use Eben nothing Prov for TP2 then

[winged hollow]

but they will swich out 24h later

[orchid bane]

It is hard to use everything you have at once

[winged hollow]

along with sui

unless you tell me to use smiley

which isn't good for fac

[orchid bane]

So

What do you use when sui rest ?

[winged hollow]

pinus dead lancet

knight

[orchid bane]

Idk

You are 243 ?

[winged hollow]

yes

[orchid bane]

Gonna do dailies now. Kinda hard to find a strat that suit you. Talk to you later

[meager meadow]

only with fia

[winged hollow]

exactly 600k

[meager meadow]

now time for 676700

[orchid bane]

[spark sapphire]

The guide says that ramp up ops dont have their timer reset when you do stagger rotations as long as theyre put in the same slot -- so just to confirm: it's safe to stagger rotate Shamare, Tequila, and Bibeak every 12hours using Fiametta as long as Shamare stays in Slot1, Tequila Slot2, and Bibeak Slot3?

[winged hollow]

in paper yes you can do that but timing is very tiring

you can raise kafka/diamante to replace at bibeak place