r-i-i-c

[wind otter]

THEY SHOULD SUFFER = no buying monthly card next month

[pale yoke]

we got blindsided by this

and it's so freaking hot rn 😭 im getting cooked in my room

bad day smh

[rare galleon]

Where are you from? It's still hot in Indonesia even tho already rainy season

[queen basin]

hi nasti just eat all my 80 rolls left saving for sui sibling, so i am here to ask wut is good base layout for grind originium now

[wind otter]

shutting game right when I removed Dusk for a second? that's like your girl starting family facetime when you just removed your pants

[pale yoke]

can't compete with ID but we have fire going on around in AUS rightnow

[pale yoke]

you got it worse than me, i was just about to fia greyter but ooof

was literally in game and staring at fia timer goes down

at least my ops are all still working

🫵 imagine 4 ops CC

[rare galleon]

Where? Queensland? NSW? Victoria? South? West? North?

[pale yoke]

fire in nsw

[wind otter]

I'm in, time to assess the damages fml

[pale yoke]

oooo

thanks for notify

[rare galleon]

Oh my, my condolesences. Are you near the fire are?

[pale yoke]

clutched

[pale yoke]

Nope, just extremely hot, so hot that things just go combust easily

[rare galleon]

😭

[inner ocean]

well it is incoming summer for australia

while the middle and top portion of Earth gets a colder climate

[pale yoke]

So my damage was just 20+min of FIA, tp is safe

[wind otter]

now we wait for a public statement with an in-depth explanation of what happened from Yostar

[pale yoke]

they might just add thorns bagpipe saria back to standard banner and during leizi banner if they got upset by the accusation

[wind otter]

yes, they will rename the Leizi banner to Dissociative Recombination

[pale yoke]

yea i saw that people say fix that

what happened

[torn meteor]

cloudflare

[wind otter]

you haven't noticed? go to Path of Life event and see the art

[pale yoke]

ooooo

since it's a rerun i just go into stage and didn't read anything

[wind otter]

en don't read moment

[pale yoke]

fr

[wind otter]

which explains yostar

[pale yoke]

interesting, that means they remake banner every event they put up?

banner as in the image

not in game banner

[torn meteor]

crazy tbh, there has to be a more efficient way

[pale yoke]

in my work we used to call those banners lol

yea

[torn meteor]

why is it that everyone seems allergic to easy efficiency improvements

particularly templating

[wind otter]

they needed to add the word "rerun" to the art, a kryptonite of copy-paste

[torn meteor]

itd still be way faster to edit a template each time than remake it from scratch

[valid storm]

Efficiency? How dare you say such things in the cult of 243

[rigid plume]

Breeze like:

(Can I send vid with DUCK UP?)

[valid storm]

[rigid plume]

I guess not.

[stoic spoke]

my favorite channel so active today

[frank cipher]

active 100%
prod -50%
Friend 0
climates Bizarre
account Bricked

[round lichen]

This might be the first time I’ve claimed the weekly 300 before it rolled over

[orchid bane]

Yea I don't think of her like 45%, I think of her like 40% that make Doro silence2 70% . 110% could be good for someppl tho

Oh no Missed her pot 4

Account damaged

[fluid pollen]

Won’t Nasti and Doro be 75%?

[inner ocean]

https://x.com/GF_Saihate/status/1996794614758707602

さいはて (@GF_Saihate)

手掛かりアップデートのクイック配置、クイック送付はこんな感じ。クイック送付は所持している手掛かりの中で重複しているものを全て自動で各戦友に送信、クイック配置はワンタップで全て自動で手掛かりを選択して配置

X · Dec 5, 2025, 4:11 AM

so is this an auto-get from friends the clues you still need?

[pale yoke]

bottom right is quick pin clue you have on the board

i wonder what determine who to send clue to or do they just random

in any case i see that as a + surely ill get more rando free clue

[fluid pollen]

And since Nasti is rhine tech would she work with Mizuki Highmore for 105%?

[inner ocean]

this QoL is nice but it won't matter to me

I do my own manual "clue exchange" by giving my friends a clue or two before i get theirs from my box

[inner ocean]

standardization =/= rhine tech

[pale yoke]

won't matter to riic player in terms of trading but i think overall it will be good since people who usually just let clue rot will just 1 click everything

[inner ocean]

mizuki doro highmore is an old combo

which is just decent prod that managed to work with the right people

iirc?

[fluid pollen]

Yea? And Highmore makes Rhine Tech standard.

[pale yoke]

riic is this channel, base user

[fluid pollen]

Theoretically it works no?

[inner ocean]

would've been nice if our factories like....had 6 slots or something

[pale yoke]

bigger factory

[inner ocean]

but alas, the combo setters took up all the space

[orchid bane]

Um yea ?, that is cool for lv2 TP too

[frank cipher]

nasti doro 75%? that's aroma waifu 12h 75%

[fluid pollen]

Yea looks decent.

[orchid bane]

Feel like nasti is that team core now

Each of those 2 are just 35%

Doro come 1st

[inner ocean]

fuck I'm getting slightly invested on Nasti due to her value as both sub and a 1 ops addition in a main

[fluid pollen]

Silence is just getting carried across the finish line by Doro.

[orchid bane]

[fluid pollen]

🥹 just toss her away.

[pale yoke]

purestream going into hardsub

[torn meteor]

isnt purestream weedy still the best thing you can run in a level 2 factory

[pale yoke]

sure

[inner ocean]

it is

especially with a dead lancet combo

[stoic spoke]

lancet died for our greed for gold

[frank cipher]

lore accurate as she busted closure riic scheme plan

[winged hollow]

gold is easy to produce why we need gold slaves again

[jaunty notch]

wow, look who has the same idea cho gave me

[valid storm]

so you could feed 2 Provisio

[winged hollow]

then where proviso2

[spare pivot]

[stoic spoke]

to reduce the number of gold factories

[spare pivot]

[winged hollow]

I mean in current patch we still can provide enough for 2 tp with exodia

[valid storm]

what do you mean where,

He's literally here

[stoic spoke]

then we make a third tp

[winged hollow]

he who?

[valid storm]

you know, the hot Siracusan guy, the one from the Lavazza event

[winged hollow]

give me the name

[valid storm]

His codename is Centurion

[pale yoke]

lemu exu + 40? thought that's pretty simple

[deep tiger]

is 5th operator up to you?

[torn meteor]

its all filler aside from skills that boost productivity

[hollow tinsel]

[arctic prism]

he's talking about taking shamare team out during curse lol

[chilly patio]

Is my base production decent at least?

[torn meteor]

gold is decent lmd is low

[chilly patio]

What's the average amount of lmd i should be earning?

[arctic prism]

depends on your account progression

but from that report i wanna say you'd want to try to hit ~50k lmd

[chilly patio]

Ah got it. Would e2 proviso show her boosted performance in the summary or not?

[arctic prism]

yes it will show in the summary

if you have e2 proviso you should easily be able to hit 50k if not more

might just need to fix up your tp combos, can refer to link 4 in pins if you havent seen it yet

[silent nova]

if you're not meeting 40k lmd a day its not good

40k is +100% on two tps

which is not very hard to get

[pale yoke]

oh i do that all the time lol

[fluid pollen]

Was it supposed to be some kind of secret tech

[jaunty notch]

it's mentally ill tech

[fluid pollen]

Have you updated Nasti to be usable with Mizuki Highmore or is it too troublesome to bother?

[little ledge]

Any place to farm money?
If ur saying base my base is pretty much alr optimized
I just need 20k

[pale yoke]

i have a red cert problem i cant afford the monthly module brick and cant afford glue for e2

[little ledge]

Sadly there's only 1 place to get red cert and that's still not worth for your sanity

[pale yoke]

20k just wait 1 more day

unless you really want it today rn any% burn sanity to boost proviso

[fluid pollen]

Or you can also waste op by way of spending stam on stages to farm lmd.

[pale yoke]

still no news on next event date smh

[fluid pollen]

Next is Leizi and IS6?

[wind otter]

yes, it was revealed to me in fortune cookie

if you're strapped for money you could also do any pending alternate operator missions you may have

[wind otter]

if only a vignette event could possibly be in the horizon

[pale yoke]

Would be nice

IF WE HAVE A DATE

Smh my head

[wind otter]

well, maint was announced:

https://twitter.com/ArknightsEN/status/1996051776487735689

Arknights_EN (@ArknightsEN)

[Update Notice]

The next maintenance will be a mandatory update. Please bind your Arknights account in advance to ensure you won't lose your game progress caused by this update.

Maintenance period: December 11 from 04:00 to 08:00 (UTC-7).

#Arknights #Yostar

X · Dec 3, 2025, 3:00 AM

but could be anything, could be Leizi, could be Endfield collab, could be PC client update

[pale yoke]

Finally pc client is here

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

Remember to bind your account so you can log in on pc client btw

[wind otter]

the planets are aligning

[vernal moss]

guys should i convert my 252 to 342 bc i dont have enough power to get my training room to lv3 and my dorms are alr at lv1

i dont have enough factory slaves anyway unless you count the ones with shitty 10-15% skills

[pallid isle]

no you most likely want to keep 252 since gold production even more so if your lacking good factory skills is going to be very bad with that

how much of right side do you have upgraded already?

if your that desperate for fast money just keep droning tp if need be do triple gold (more then likely needed if you have proviso)

[rigid plume]

You mean 243?

[vernal moss]

oh yeah I'm dumb lol

[rigid plume]

Trading>Factory>Powerplant
Always in that direction as Upper floor.

[vernal moss]

i meant 243 sorry

need an extra power plant for my training room

[rigid plume]

Show your base.

Maybe we will downgrade some buildings to make Training Room Lv3 possible.

[vernal moss]

i dont think there's anything i can downgrade

[rigid plume]

One Trading Room to Lv2.

Check, if it's enough?

[vernal moss]

uhh is that really a good idea tho

I'm broke as it is

[rigid plume]

It's essential for Proviso

[vernal moss]

fair ig i'll be getting her soon anyway

[rigid plume]

Not a big deal if one will be Lv2.

[vernal moss]

yep it's just enough

[rigid plume]

Ok, Training Room Lv3 then.

[vernal moss]

should i do it now or wait until i get proviso bc i dont have an urgent need to get anyone to m3 yet...i think

[rigid plume]

Ummmm, idk honestly when she is in sale...

Oh wait

She's not anymore

[vernal moss]

huh i thought she's coming to a free selector

[rigid plume]

Oh that one

Sure

Take it from it

[vernal moss]

when is it again i forgot

[rigid plume]

We just had banner yesterday I think

Where Proviso is for sale for 45 Gold Certs.

[vernal moss]

i know but someone told me to wait since selector is free

better not be months away lmao

[rigid plume]

Close to Global New Year, after that I be my guessing.

[vernal moss]

aight then thanks

[pallid isle]

yeah your gonna be in my situation

level 1 office everything else maxed

Pretty much for optimal situation weedy purestream might as well be a 2 slot factory always and as many others have said proviso level 2 tp loses you a lot less over any other normal factorywell in the future we finally have a 30% worker for weedy purestream yay

still what you said about your general workers and your lacking a lot of good factory workers when you get proviso I do still very much expect a gold problem/requires 3 gold factories to keep up. This is also still assuming the level 2 tp even then.

[azure topaz]

should i buy dorothy? it seems like she gives value for nasti in the future

[jaunty notch]

it's the same +5, honestly atp i'd just use dorothy. but i did say stuff in desc. who knows maybe i'll do it later

[fluid pollen]

caps higher with caveats, aight

[jaunty notch]

p much

[stoic spoke]

30% is in 2025

pleb level skill

[torn meteor]

i wish i could buy dorothy but no certs

not just for base i like her and want her in my collection to sit on the bench gathering dust/hj

[meager meadow]

one of these days the viet is gonna make an updated base produce comparison sheet and i will giggle at all the optimizers who spent millions for 5% more factory power just to earn the same amount as those without it

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1044287605770031184/saystheleveltwofactory.gif

[jaunty notch]

nonsense rambling

[pale yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1118203518449360896/lv_0_20230603164315.gif

[torn meteor]

the one thing is dorothy silencealt and nasti arent bad characters anyway

and once we get lategame what else are we doing with our lmd

[pale yoke]

im at the point where my red cert, XP is the primary bottleneck

8mil lmd and no way to spend them

[torn meteor]

my bottleneck is still lmd

[stoic spoke]

162

[pale yoke]

i see everyone forgor to take their pill today

162 is lalaland

[torn meteor]

speak for yourself i remembered my pills

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-perlica-chan-arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-gif-12709002987692204762

[stoic spoke]

it's reset time

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-gif-26403643

[pale yoke]

scary banner lineup

https://tenor.com/view/jessica-jessica-arknights-arknights-arknights-money-arknights-lmd-gif-13561660805880869133

[rigid plume]

Scary Rule 5.

[pale yoke]

what's rule 5

[rigid plume]

No datamine and speculation.

[stoic spoke]

#helpers love that rule

[rigid plume]

We still don't know what's in 11th.

[pale yoke]

true

[stoic spoke]

that rule (speculation) is specific to #help btw

[pale yoke]

they aren't so uptight on rule anymore like they used to

just look at general chat

people just straight up shitposting

[stoic spoke]

because speculation rule is only applicable on #help, datamine on the other hand, is server wide

[pale yoke]

even mods are shitposting each other i was just lurking there

no hallmonitor behavior is better anyway

[pale yoke]

surprise ave mujika jumpscare on 11th

[torn meteor]

its fine only umiri is to be thought about in ave mujica

umiri is great for newer base people who are max rr and want to build vigil

[inner ocean]

....I never would've thought that I'd be in a situation where Expediteds are something I value buying

because i stockpiled so many permits for pot6 Confess

and I'm HR1 so can only use 2 slots

[pale yoke]

wait faster

[stoic spoke]

why stockpile permits?

[torn meteor]

bringing vigil to 45 isnt bad

[stoic spoke]

[inner ocean]

when going for 1* pots

you do a lot of 3:50

and 1:00

so you're burning through a lot

but I'm done now

so it's back to 7:40-9:00

[torn meteor]

yeah stockpiling permits is just for chasing new robots

[inner ocean]

1*. Not all 1 stars are robots

[torn meteor]

all 1stars in recruits are

[inner ocean]

well, the other non-robot 1* are special events or collabs

so they're immediate max pots

[stoic spoke]

but why do you want to stockpile for robots when it's going to appear even when doing it the normal way(7:40)

[inner ocean]

....

1* never appear above 3:50

[stoic spoke]

isn't that going to stop green certs income

[torn meteor]

wait you are supposed to 7:40? i always just 9 hour

[stoic spoke]

[queen flicker]

i'm trying to get castle and friston. did around 100 3:50 guard and defender and so far no luck

[inner ocean]

do you think i care about green income?

[stoic spoke]

i mean the robot tag

or elemental tag

etc

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-amiya-seseren-bunny-donkey-gif-19213007

[inner ocean]

This is what I think about green income.

[pale yoke]

[torn meteor]

phonor is easy to find, the other robots arent

[inner ocean]

as rare as 5-6* tags

ele tags are only for Logos' mom

which I'm p6 on

[stoic spoke]

and what does max pot robot give

[inner ocean]

by this point I'm a semi-completionist collector

I'm not gonna try to get everyone

but I am gonna complete whoever I get, raise them (for all ops), and maybe get pot6 of them if I have the means (only for lower rarity)

[stoic spoke]

robot pots > green certs

latest tech

[inner ocean]

when you're where I am

green certs are only for sweeping T1

and getting permits and HH on T2

the stockpile you create go to T3 orundums

[pale yoke]

crazy, Antal from endfield

[inner ocean]

the bigger the stockpile, the better the payout for the small orundum you get

maybe....just maybe a bit of green cert go to the newest mats

...until we reach its first farming event

which is pretty near now.

[torn meteor]

oh yeah ive decided im wasting my pulls to cert dorothy

im up to 169 i might be able to get her without going deep in leizialt

[stoic spoke]

wha

why

[pale yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1446819530344108146/togif.gif

[torn meteor]

i like her lmao

[stoic spoke]

what if you save and get her in hoshi banner

or in sakiko banner

[pale yoke]

whatever the next banner is i want to get a 6star early

to determine who i pick on selector

[stoic spoke]

paid selector?

[pale yoke]

free, everyone got it when they log in enough

[stoic spoke]

Saria, Bag, Eyja, and Surtr one

don't old players have em all already

[torn meteor]

i dont believe in skipping just because i might lose 50/50 to them later

[pale yoke]

spook can happen but just don't hold your breath kinda situation

[stoic spoke]

so you have enough pulls for the upcoming banners ?

[pale yoke]

i sure don't

[torn meteor]

enough to get what i want unless i get super unlucky

[pale yoke]

hope i dont have to use too much and "just be lucky"

[torn meteor]

im fine skipping everything until nasti if i have to

plan for hoshialt is just go for first 6star and im up in the air about salter

[stoic spoke]

so hoshi2 and ave mujica are on the "what you don't want" list?

[torn meteor]

they both are just "first 6star"

i might go deeper in ave mujica depends on how upcoming content is revealed to be

[pale yoke]

is nasti the next operator that hold any significant at all in base?

who else stands out?

[stoic spoke]

I have had to pull till 280 for that one 6* rate up

[torn meteor]

hoshialt is a slight upgrade over kal/mon3tr

thats the most notable one other than nasti tho lmao

[pale yoke]

kal m3 isn't even in my radar, high end curse be like

[meager meadow]

modules exist
you can produce orundum

[torn meteor]

ok but theres no reason not to e2 random characters once we are lategame

[meager meadow]

that's your decision

[torn meteor]

for sure i was just saying lategame theres much less reason to not build base workers as resources are far more abundant

[meager meadow]

e2ing slop chars is a pointless exercise when it just means a surplus that can be used easily to build useful units over time with ease instead of worrying about not having enough

and only certain base workers give a generational improvement

most of the time, workers take AGES to be worth their while

[inner ocean]

"that can be used easily to build useful units over time with ease....."

you underestimate the surplus

the useful units presently and incoming

are already accounted for

[torn meteor]

yeah only a few actually are notable improvements, but thats why i like RL over stuff like pinus, while RL might not be top tier characters most of them are still at least good

[stoic spoke]

my 85k daily LMD when someone talks about workers roi

[torn meteor]

unlike fucking fartooth

[pale yoke]

im watching elite pro gamer flexing on one another

[stoic spoke]

for new players, sure don't build base ops, but once their roster is full e2 90 m3

[inner ocean]

When every useful operator I deem worthwhile the e2 cap has already gotten it

yeah

and I'm talking max diff IS usefulness

and whoever i fancy in normal content

[torn meteor]

personally i have plenty of good characters built so i have started basically only building base workers

[inner ocean]

you're in my midgame phase

every useful ones are raised

base-only ops start becoming next targets

[pale yoke]

Result of excess mats and xp shortage

[torn meteor]

part of why im prioritizing dorothy is that at least RL is good in stuff like vector even if i wont always use them

[inner ocean]

there's a reason i sometimes farm LS-6 or CE-6

mats too fast

and base too slow

[stoic spoke]

[queen flicker]

am i new player and exu alt + lemuen clears all content anyway. at first i didn't want to raise base only ops but now idc. improving the base is fun

[torn meteor]

but also i require nasti and will use her everywhere so having more built RL means i get full value from her

fuck dorm micromanagement

[inner ocean]

is that 4 gold 3 TP?

wait that's not possible with the EXP

you max left?

[stoic spoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bV486WHEdLwVD_yCFl5Y2QQ0DdLe7tfjkxtIOZnUixY/

[inner ocean]

or something?

[torn meteor]

my side project is to complete a qiubai hyperbuff pile, the goal is to maximize qiubai dps

[torn meteor]

iirc he curses both TPs

[inner ocean]

ah

cursed Prov?

[torn meteor]

cursed prov and teq

[inner ocean]

yeah i can't be asked to do that

I make base efficient to get the best value out of my laziness

[stoic spoke]

make your cat do it

https://tenor.com/view/ansel-arknights-tumble-roll-help-gif-25074704

[torn meteor]

heres where im at on that, i need astgennealt matsukiri nasti ifrit and i should be good

ok i also need warf actually

with logos in the picture, astgennealt actually beats suzuran in buffing against a boss assuming an extra punching bag

mfw creating new arts damage instances to abuse logos talent

and matsukiri is to give extra atk to CE

[pale yoke]

try adding suzu

[torn meteor]

i sadly lack suzu lmao

[pale yoke]

ooof

[torn meteor]

i lost my supporter top op to magallan

[pale yoke]

i can see your vision in that team, suzu match so well in there

[inner ocean]

damn

those were some memories

[pale yoke]

magaLLan

[inner ocean]

when i rage whenever VG Top ops went to Siege

instead of Bagpipe

now Bagpipe only lives in my OF-4 farm team for module requirements

[pale yoke]

live long enough to see ines be in top op

[inner ocean]

by that point

would Ines STILL be the top 2 VGs to be used?

that'd be quite the day for AK

[pale yoke]

[torn meteor]

according to my napkin math astgennealt actually slightly beats out suzu in damage amp to a primary target tho and lets be real reedalt logos saria is plenty of aoe boost

[inner ocean]

btw i can't imagine that

it'll take a LOT for Ines to be removed from a 2 VG squad for me

[torn meteor]

its like 44% vs 44.5% lmao

[pale yoke]

ines will always have a role purely based on the utility she bring unless they make a 1 to 1 replicate but bigger stats, then we will bring both of them

[inner ocean]

indeed

for me, right now it's Ines and SAlter

SAlter will get kicked out first

before Ines ever gets benched

[torn meteor]

yeah ines was/is the best vanguard not because of her dp gen but because of everything else she does on top of dp gen

[inner ocean]

SAlter is a nice combo with her purely because Ines/Agents are kinda shit at carrying DP if there's the rare no-DP-gen conditions

actually, mostly just a bad experience with that EX CM in that Geexu event

not only was it no natural DP gen

it included the worst Hortus mobs that steal and hinder DP

[torn meteor]

i mentioned it briefly, i plan to use matsukiri even if i get salter for my qiubai hyperbuff pile, 12% atk to CE means about 50 more atk on qiubai

if i use salter there hes on s3 to use his higher fragile compared to astgennealt

but like this hyperbuff pile is close to standard deployment limit

[rare galleon]

Invis + reveal Invis:

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-strong-unstoppable-gif-20284663

[torn meteor]

actually we are at 8 with qiubai logos ifrit astgennealt CE reedalt mon3tr saria

in most maps we dont get to do anything more than this

[torn meteor]

and the bind, god the bind has saved me more times than i care to admit

[rare galleon]

I really hate the enemy on Hortus de Espacismo. Especially they make it that enemy appear again on Masses's Travel.

[inner ocean]

i actually take advantage of Ines' dagger

put her where you want dagger first

retreat

and redep her in a 2nd solid position

boom, anti-invis + slow on 2 lanes

[torn meteor]

imo most valuable part of ines is that she has off field utility

off field utility plus on field utility is something that helps characters age well

[inner ocean]

i love multi utility VGs

cause they add value way past the DP-demand phase

and Ines is top 1 in that regard

[torn meteor]

agreed

thats also part of why i like matsukiri, like sure his buffs only going to supporter defender is super restrictive but particular subclasses, namely guardian defenders, ritualists, abjurers, and bards get pretty good value off it

and unlike say eyja who if you bring her just for caster atk can be dead weight, matsukiri is great in double vanguard since his dp gen is solid

and hes not fighting over squad slots with anything except vanguards

[frank cipher]

call eyja dead weight is wild, matsuri can buff whole team and still lower than eyja buff actual damage dealer. buff is bonus, his sell point is Dp reduced to 0 open new gameplay

[torn meteor]

ok eyja isnt exactly dead weight but casters are a class which frequently has built in atk and she can struggle to compete with newer characters as far as damage goes

like the 12% atk from eyja does nothing for logos as an example since he already has 300% atk, where defenders and supporters dont have nearly as many self atk boosts

if we are assuming 2 vanguard default matsukiri is competing with just other vanguards not the entire dps roster

[frank cipher]

she now aoe hellidrop specialize rather than buffer/caster, altho there ugh new broken frd( still strong landhold)

[torn meteor]

the problem eyja has is that her competition is too steep where matsukiri's competition is nonexistent, ines and matsukiri are the only dp generating vanguards that do anything off field, and for a vanguard doing something off field is an incredible advantage

also as i mentioned supporters and defenders tend to have very few self atk buffs so due to lack of saturation matsukiri's buffs are more potent than eyja's on average even though the number is lower

also ngl i dont like eyja's new mod, its a faster helidrop but from what ive seen the dps is lower due to lack of res ignore

although i dont mind new mod on s2 as much

[wise shale]

S2? not the S3?

[torn meteor]

i dont like new mod on s3 because sure it removes rng but against enemies with res ie most bosses and elites she does less damage per skill

1 sp on normal attack vs elites and bosses though is nice for s2

these days s2 is her skill that makes her most competitive anyway because res shred with no strings attached isnt easy to find. thornsalt and ifrit are the only things with more res shred than her other than og pram, all 3 of which are tied to tiles not the enemy

oh yeah texalt also beats her in res shred but texalt cant maintain full uptime on it

and haze but haze has 1s duration

anyway that was a bit of a tangent, tldr eyja's most competitive role these days is as res shred with s2

ofc this is all based on my own assessment, feel free to take it with a grain of salt or prove me wrong. i like eyja id gladly change my tune if given a convincing argument

[frank cipher]

just preference she never out of meta with s2 zero downtime or buff s3, n nasti later buff range unit

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1432464319878140097/a8v9sd.gif

[wind otter]

so yeah, base is cool n' stuff

[pale yoke]

Momo☂️ Red

[chilly patio]

Is this good lmd production?

[torn meteor]

ye, you can prob make it to 65-69k with more optimization too

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

Wat is that umbrella?

[inner ocean]

....

it really is luck what Proviso cooks sometimes

[wind otter]

always, ALWAYS, hunt for the g-slot, aka who even needs to pull in kernel

[inner ocean]

even after i finished my 1* pot6 hunting

I'm still doing Melee Guard Survival DPS combo

just for a rare chance of Indra pots

if none of those tags, tagless incoming

[orchid bane]

-# meanwhile me still no robot without 4* for awhile . confess still p1

[valid storm]

You just did, nicely cut video

[queen flicker]

finally got castle

[rigid plume]

Guys, about Irene/Logos -50% time skill.

When you do M1, M2 and then suddenly M1 other skill and M3.
Can this skill make you fuck off and won't apply even either Trainer or Trainee leave the Training Room and still have some Morale?

Or there's some restrictions that skill didn't tell?

[pale yoke]

if you half m1 time you wont have enough for 5hr for next mastery

[rigid plume]

Oh right, thx

[wise shale]

P-P-P-P0₩errrrr~!!!

[winged hollow]

cap too fast

[stoic spoke]

[winged hollow]

this only good for AO

[wind otter]

new week, new operator, new annihilation autoplay for trust

[winged hollow]

<@&586570970345635868>

[sturdy abyss]

yup

[wind otter]

this event reward sanity pot expires on Jan 19th, I'm sure that no event of particular relevance goes live right before or right after this pot expires

[valid storm]

why would anything happen right after expiry?

[wind otter]

happens all the time, saved pots don't make it to a new event the following week

[round lichen]

With how fast they’ve been pumping out EN’s events, I’d be shocked if it expires before whatever event you have your eye on (Ato or Ave Mujica?)

[pale yoke]

How to get this?

[wind otter]

event speed release should slow down soon, maybe

[wind otter]

you should already have this. chances are you spent it already

[wise shale]

Check your mail.

You probably already claimed it tho. 🤔

[round lichen]

@queen flicker I’d like to issue a correction: I assumed Aroma had +0.5 MD, and I didn’t check until just now. Turns out she only has +0.25. With no morale savers in CC, she’ll last 32.3 hours. To get 36 hours out of her, you only need Młynar + 1 smiley, Wiš (without Civilight Eterna), or Chongyue with 20 WP. Granted, I don’t think you have any of the CC morale savers, but I felt stupid for not checking her actual numbers sooner

[pale yoke]

#game-news message

[fluid pollen]

Cuora!

[orchid bane]

@valid storm

[valid storm]

Yes, that's the Popucom collab

[orchid bane]

[rigid plume]

18 jumpscare

[valid storm]

18 is half furniture set, neither of those skins worth that much

[rigid plume]

Who da hell will buy furniture set with Primes.

[valid storm]

Me, and I'm sure that Red did it as well

[rigid plume]

I did it once tho

When newbie

Perma acc damage

[valid storm]

no, not buying the furniture is perma account damage

[rigid plume]

I did with bolts.

[valid storm]

you can get much easier

[rigid plume]

Not for me

[orchid bane]

[rigid plume]

I already vaccumed all archived events.

[orchid bane]

No me not

Just you

[orchid bane]

What is the event, leizi ?

[rigid plume]

Leizi, yes.

[valid storm]

Nah, it's Dissociative Recombination

[rigid plume]

*Rerun
Rerun

[valid storm]

Rerun of the rerun

[frank cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-distract-target-rdj-fighting101-gif-11233139

pretty sure it's discombobulate

[graceful sky]

Fellow minmax base nerds, I need LMD quick to level up my ulpipi. What's thee best base build for it and what ops will I need?
My op knowledge is about 2 years old so it needs updating.

[valid storm]

All you need is Provisio

[graceful sky]

please explain, she's e2l1 because of RA

Should my base be 243? I read 252 is optimal.

[pale yoke]

put proviso in a lv2 tp if you have one, or just any tp
use all your energy on that tp

[valid storm]

252 still best, Provisio just makes your orders better

[queen flicker]

thanks don't worry

[keen gale]

Is there any supporter trainer beside pram?

[rigid plume]

Skalter M3 specialist to speedrun.
Logos -50% time and also 30% to Casters and Supporters.

[stoic spoke]

perform the forbidden Proviso cursing technique

[orchid bane]

How many rerun can a chapter get ?

[mental comet]

guys with the last reception room QoL update on the CN server when you switch from one clue to another it moves you back to the first page of the friend list

so when I find a friend on page X who lacks a specific clue that I have and switch to it, I get moved back to page 1 and gotta find them again

is it cooked now or is there something I'm missing that fixes it?

[hollow tinsel]

[mental plinth]

Is Proviso always better in a lv2 tp or are there lv3 combos that can outmatch it? I was looking at the base combo guide and saw the Jaye+SilverAsh and Glasglow combos for Proviso

[stoic spoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=1812077190#gid=1812077190&range=D196:H196

[elder siren]

whats a good combo for vermeil when shes in an originium factory?

[stoic spoke]

actually lets draw this too https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031981853059592256/1447718721312526460/proviso_tp2_or_tp3.png?ex=6938a4a0&is=69375320&hm=0298572a690d3d740d0468f622bc1b03260ce390d33da70fe357ae69d03e597b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=953

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1102179559807406170/20230430_192737.gif

[stoic spoke]

interesting 200% in a Lv3 is as good as 155 in a Lv2

guess I should downgrade

but they'll die faster in a lv2

[jaunty notch]

just have chungus

[stoic spoke]

There is no chongus

Won't downgrade TPs until they give a better worker for the Weedy FAC 3rd slot than 30% Snegurochka

[torn meteor]

it depends on the workers you have available, 80 in a level3 beats 40 in a level 2, the real reason you level 2 tp proviso is because in 252 it gives you the energy for an extra level 3 factory

[wind otter]

it's here we eating early

[torn meteor]

yooooooo

practice mode isnt super useful now tho since we get full refund anyway

[frank cipher]

fail stage for 23 time SANITY RESTORED it's soulgame but backward

[jaunty notch]

the only thing yostar is good for

[wind otter]

[zenith field]

What are memory frags? pretty confusing stuff for me

And how are they used

It seems all too confusing with the amount of highlighted things that keep appearing once you click on it

[round lichen]

Just use the base skills spreadsheet, link 4 in pins

[stoic spoke]

Whisperain for Rosmontis
Mulberry for MrNothing

[rigid plume]

It's point system. You need some ops mentioned in highlight description to make value of it.

[pallid isle]

Having it all listed out in the Google doc makes it so much easier to read

There really is a stupid amount of names of pieces that effect rosmontis and Mr nothing production

[dark oasis]

What does the riic assistant thing do

[rigid plume]

Farm Trust. That's all.

Activity Room does it too.

[pale yoke]

Pushing 9cd propaganda

[swift hatch]

Guys I’m tryna set up an originum grind base how should I set it up how many factory and etc

[stoic spoke]

3 gold fac, 1 exp fac, 1 shard fac. 1 orundumb tp, 1 lmd tp

good idea to just make shards in fac first. because it requires lmd and both tps can make lmd during that time. After having made enough shards, change a tp to orundumb

[winged hollow]

that is the ideal setup realistically you stop 1 of each everytime you want to AO

[orchid bane]

What a weird way to use 9CD

[torn meteor]

cool, id appreciate it if 9cd wasnt a collab op madge

[dark oasis]

How does it work just leave and forget?

[rigid plume]

Yep

Gives twice a day.

Amount of trust determined by Dorm level.

[dark oasis]

Ok

[rigid plume]

Up to 20 Dorm Levels (5 Lv each):
500 for Main Assistant
125 for every floor Assistant.

To 100%, you need 10k such points.
To 200% - 25k such points in total.
Each operator.

[rugged phoenix]

Say, why is fiametta gladiia AH team not considered?

[rigid plume]

[orchid bane]

You can do that

If you can manage your time

And should be for cursed user, for non-cursed , they should just fia Sham. Teq Prov

[brittle igloo]

what's the best base setup rn if i'm only logging on every 12 hrs ish

or like what do people in here actually use that's easily automated and kind of hands off

for reference, 0 idea how good this is

[icy crater]

are there any 243 setup spreadsheets i can copy from

[silent nova]

this is the general expectation anyways, my base setup is like me logging in every 12 hours and just pressing the rotate button (on a per faculty basis since staggering. theres probably a setup that allows you to just press the base-wide rotate button and should run fine but taht requires some labbing out)

[silent nova]

this is bad

you should aim for at least 40k lmd daily on a 2 tp setup

i forget the exact numbers for xp

[silent nova]

This is my production with this

there's stuff in pins you should look at 3, 4 and there's a bot cmd in bot spam that's the cheap 3/4*s to raise for base

there's also (2) if you wanna steal the setup from there

its really old though but fwiw base has not been super exciting for a long time now

(blue is expected lmd output per day, yellow is expected xp output per day, the 12 is the check-in interval)

[fluid pollen]

We’ve far exceeded those numbers by now.

[silent nova]

i mean yeah

but no one's made a new sheet

[fluid pollen]

Sheet for?

There’s pin 5 if you want to insert your own rot in

[silent nova]

this is insanely programmed

wow

[fluid pollen]

<@&586570970345635868>

[brittle igloo]

damn okay i needa lock in then fr

ty for the info i'll mess with it some

[silent nova]

im goldminning

[pale yoke]

who else gona get leizi

[silent nova]

Does she do anything

[pale yoke]

look menacingly at you

[silent nova]

Oh then probably not I'm saving for nasti

[fluid pollen]

probably me

[silent nova]

Wow

NormaliIzjng wrt tp3 is fun

[wind otter]

I'm gonna get leizi and it's gonna be nasti

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/inaff-ina-pun-hololive-vtuber-inanis-gif-21444506

||good pun btw||

[wind otter]

[frank cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

if you be nasti to get leizi you get both

[willow dune]

does gnosis make it so that e2 jaye doesn't penalize cliffheart/silverash? so they are respectively 0%/5% boost, jaye can't steal anything

[hot vector]

should a whale go all in on gold production?

[willow dune]

peteryr might have mentioned something about this

i'll check the vid for you

[torn meteor]

depends on if i lucksack, im only pulling to get certs for dorothy lmao

[torn meteor]

yep

[willow dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv1T4lzU3sE

this video at 6:45

drone exp in base and farm ce-6

[heavy palm]

so whats the best base setup now?

i was running 252 rr3 hr1

[torn meteor]

it hasnt really changed in ages, still max left 252

[stoic spoke]

I'm too leizi

[wise shale]

Bibeak and Shamare's Tailoring skills have a ramp-up effect right?

Does anyone knows how long does it take for the skills to ramp up to max effects?

[wise shale]

And afaik 252 max right is still better than 243/333 overall.

[summer kernel]

3hrs for the E0 "slightly increases" and 5hrs for the E2 "increases"

[torn meteor]

yep

[torn meteor]

5 hours iirc

[little ledge]

Is it just me or i never see Almond in spreadsheet?

[stoic spoke]

He's there on special and factory tab

[torn meteor]

almond just isnt top tier anymore, too many hoops to jump through for not a big enough reward

[little ledge]

Cement is way better right?

[torn meteor]

not really

[fluid pollen]

Unlike Almond, idk what Cement does

[rigid plume]

Memes.

[pale yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1093437254078304256/IMG_1033.gif

[stoic spoke]

Fac cap increase

[little ledge]

35 and -0.25

[fluid pollen]

Oh she sucks. No wonder I don’t know

Wth is a Verm 35% gold partner.

[pale yoke]

they so bad they flew under my radar too

[fluid pollen]

[little ledge]

I'm looking for an explanation about Teq's hidden gold buff

[torn meteor]

its not that complicated, he just adds 500 lmd to any 4 gold order in his tp

[little ledge]

Pls elaborate

[torn meteor]

its as i said, when a 4 gold trade(worth 2000 lmd) happens in his TP he makes it give 2500 lmd

[little ledge]

I alr get this but i feel like i need more

[torn meteor]

there isnt really more to it, that extra lmd can be treated as extra productivity for his TP mathematically speaking

[little ledge]

All i can see is Teq gave 2500 lmd for every 4 gold order
This means we sell 4 gold at the price of 5 gold

[silent nova]

Its mostly a matter of time over price (though taking less gold is also nice)

Its effectively a 5 gold order with the time of a 4 gold

[little ledge]

Ok so we make 4 gold order with a selling price of 5 gold order
Aight

[silent nova]

has there been any exciting bases kills since teq/prov or has it more just been "+% prod per foobar point"

[queen flicker]

hello fellow base enjoyers. so after feater e2, would you raise someone from here? diamante is a straighforward upgrade. silence alter and mayer could replace my 25% workers in fac 2. lava alter means i can finally get rid of pudding team right. and finally automation... i'm missing weedy. maybe wait until i got her or even wait for snegurochka. also, upcoming welfare or selectors, there is bryophyta coming soon. and january free 5* selector right. which probably should pick waai fu. what do you think 🤔

[torn meteor]

waaifu is prob your best pickup yeah, mayer isnt worth the trouble since shes not part of any combos but particularly if you plan to get dorothy and nasti silencealt is good(not to mention she can be nice in vector breakthrough)

[silent nova]

silencealt relevant in vb ⁉️

[torn meteor]

her s3 is nice into scary ass numbers

turning an op into surtr is good who woulda thought

[orchid bane]

I am really out of rock

[queen flicker]

what do you think of lava alter

[silent nova]

isn't she pp

[torn meteor]

silencealt is just slept on because 99% of the time dedicated antiburst tools arent worth when stuff like shu exist

[silent nova]

holy fuck i should've been raising bryophyta what th e hell

[torn meteor]

no

[silent nova]

+1% pp is +0.5% fac and approx +0.5% tp

[torn meteor]

just keep using pudding lava isnt worth

roi where

[queen flicker]

already raised questionable things like miss christine

[silent nova]

if you wanna raise more you can do bena e2

in order to live hte bubble dream

no wait this is for tp

why did i raise bena

you can raise vulcan e2 for the bubble dream

[queen flicker]

in conclusion, e2 priority would be: diamante > feater > silence alt > mayer (optional) > lava alter. with bryophyta and waai fu taking priority whenever they come

[silent nova]

hold on why's diamante goated

does he have better rates than tailoring beta

[queen flicker]

same skill

[silent nova]

oh boring

[queen flicker]

would preffer rasing any other tailoring but only have him

well i have paprika but she is in cc

[silent nova]

the diff from tailoring alpha to tailoring beta in sham / teq / tailoring is 10% tp

feater is uhhhhhh

oh she's worse

[queen flicker]

yeah 10% not much but everything else on my list is a 5% increase like feater

[silent nova]

that's an extra 1k lmd bro that's huge

or is it an extra 1.0265k lmd

idr

oh actually this is great its also an extra 9% gold

[queen flicker]

oh true

[silent nova]

that's like what

what's 100% fac in gold bars again

20

that's an additionnal 1.8 bars a day

huge

[torn meteor]

you should get bibeak when ccb4 rolls around

[queen flicker]

aprox when?

[torn meteor]

during hoshialt banner

scene will also be available with ccb4

[silent nova]

if you want some real shit and if you have and are running pozy tp you can consider e2ing the durins to move them closer up in the op selection screen when rotating slots in order to minimize downtime of durins

[torn meteor]

durin:

ig durin herself can be a perma dorm worker

[queen flicker]

don't know yet if i'll pull in hoshi banner but theres a few base improvements if i do so. like hoshi herself is cc 3% to all facs. but needs swire which i'm missing. theres also kichisei which is a 40% in lvl 3 tp. and haruka is 45% hr

[silent nova]

i'll have you know that this has been on the thought tank for years

[torn meteor]

its always worth at least going for first 6star

on these limited banners i mean

[silent nova]

hoshi alt is 3% fac in cc ????

[queen flicker]

maybe i pick swire with the selector if i pull hoshi.

[silent nova]

woa

[queen flicker]

can't wait to raise diamante and lava alter and have this amazing caster line up

(HG pls give me a good 6* caster)

[torn meteor]

i dont think that beats having waaifu for aroma

[torn meteor]

instructions unclear, have a hoolheyak

shes the best caster in snakeknights

[queen flicker]

but aroma is in a lvl 3 fac. can't really stagger aroma + waai fu without mlynar or similar in cc so aroma doesn't get tired during the no waai fu shift

so i'll have to do something like this anyway. like waai fu instead of purestream

and move purestream to another fac

i mean this type of rotation if it wasn't clear

still, waai fu probably better anyway because she is 40% and will replace a 25% or 30% worker. and hoshi is 3% to all facs: x5 facs = 15%, over regular 2% to all facs: x5 facs = 10%

but yeah waai fu in a lvl 3 doesn't really fix my aroma unless i rotate the whole team. i'd have to calculate if thats better than staggering. idk future me problem

[stoic spoke]

[knotty flax]

what 6* dies the fastest in the base?

any 6*s without useful skills, but have morale drain skills

[pale yoke]

Either gladiia or fiametta

[orchid bane]

Fia

Gladia with full CC debuff

Someone like Aak iirc

[pale yoke]

Technically depends on how you look at it right?

[knotty flax]

don't have aak, fia and gladiia are too important

i'm trying to stuff their corpse into the RR with kazemaru

[orchid bane]

I thought you were just asking for fun

Idk, kaze is kinda bad now

[knotty flax]

fun is what you make of it

[orchid bane]

You don't have enough op or something?

[knotty flax]

i know we have ines/caper but i don't always have clue search

[orchid bane]

Fia granpa ?

Forget his name sorry

He was just free recently

[knotty flax]

+30 is pretty bad

[orchid bane]

Wdym bad

He is Ines without ramp

Basically better

[knotty flax]

who do i pair him with in RR

i have max kaze + dead 6* rn

i see fox mom is +76 with suzu, but i don't have e2 suzu

i could use e2 vigil

[orchid bane]

Next one is Laios with 3 PP set up (need senshi and himself E2)

[knotty flax]

but i can't raise the sankta blender yet

[orchid bane]

Enforcer is better but his working time really short, like 8hr or something

[knotty flax]

expensive raise for someone i'll never use (maybe in the future)

[orchid bane]

You have vulpis and suzu ?

[stoic spoke]

drain morale by crafting

[orchid bane]

That is a waste if you have 9CD

If you are not, well whatever

[round dock]

I'm having a dumb moment so Mumu doesn't count herself?

I'm using Saria, Ifrit(TR), Magallan(WS), Ptilo(Dorm) and Dorothy(with Silencealter in Factory)

Nasti's the one I was thinking of for future use with Dorothy

[pallid isle]

mumu DOES NOT count herself

everyone else does

using mumu becomes a lot easier yes with nasti

[knotty flax]

doesn't work when you run out

[knotty flax]

suzu isn't raised, i think necrophiliac kaze is +

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1101448428866773022/ezgif-3-a96bd92462.gif

[wind otter]

sheet maker nut allergic

[wind otter]

mumu self-steem issues

[wind otter]

rock bottom

[stoic spoke]

Now use device

[chilly patio]

Should I e2 tequila and bibeak for base?

[winged hollow]

sure if you have shamare otherwise don't bother

[wind otter]

[arctic prism]

fyi

kaze + dead 6* is +96%

optimal is just fia gramps + ines with chen or vigil sub while either one is dead if you dont want to use caper

[arctic prism]

only time id run this is if im trying to use training room and need somewhere else to shove in a sui lol

[fluid pollen]

Makes sense. I shld kill Shu too

[arctic prism]

yupp

[torn meteor]

you WILL catch me using saria once nasti hits to reduce dorm micromanagement

15% rr isnt a significant enough drop for me to care

[novel grove]

Cho. I do smth like this.
Ines chen
Ines caper
chen caper
Is this the correct number for avg efficiency that I got?

[torn meteor]

im gonna morb(got meteorite)

wheres my aroma madge

how big even is the ranged aoe senior op pool

wait aroma isnt in it lmao

fucked up

[arctic prism]

not quite, need to calc ines ramp separately
I'm going to assume you're using 12 hr rots + perfect 100% uptime on caper, in which case you can do:
(for ines): (46 + 48 + 50 + 52 + 54 + 19 * 56) / 24 = 54.75% avg across 2 shifts
chen is 51%, caper is 63%, so your avg will be
2 * (54.75 + 51 + 63) / 3 = 112.5

[torn meteor]

deadass thought aroma was kernel

[arctic prism]

aroma is relatively newer so

probably isnt easily accessible

[torn meteor]

yep sadge

you can stagger aroma waaifu rosmontis without chong/mlynar right?

[novel grove]

I do have 100% uptime for caper and using 12 rots

[arctic prism]

got lots of good friends then lol
but even if clue search isnt up 100% of the time can just leave in chen or put in another op so it's not too bad either way

[novel grove]

Does raising miksa will give me anything better than that? No, right?

[arctic prism]

i mean it'll boost it higher

[novel grove]

I only have two loyal simp that gives me all of their clue

[arctic prism]

miksa is 56% avg so it'll bring the avg up to 115.83% if you replace chen

but like

3% RR gain is

if you plan to raise anyways eventually it's not a problem but i wouldnt do it just for that ig

[novel grove]

I can use a defenderknight as an excuse too

[arctic prism]

lol yea then go for it

[novel grove]

Many thanks cho

[arctic prism]

npnp

[pale yoke]

4hr maint

[round lichen]

Aroma is from the end of year 4… kernel hasn’t even caught up to the start of year 2 yet 🥀

Or I should say recruitment

Since Kernel at least covers up to Gnosis

[worthy elk]

guys how good is my base ?

[pallid isle]

I suggest checking pins 4 for a start and looking at some rotations. All of that is quite low

[torn meteor]

i fucking hit senior op twice today

[worthy elk]

ah, okay, been fixing it for awhile, back to the basement i guess

[pallid isle]

It does tbf heavily depend on what you have and what your doing

So it's a lot of questions

How many gold and exp factories? , what types of workers do you have? , do you have any of the big combos? Do you have proviso?

Typically for your situation both gold and exp seem a bit low so I think your situation is not set up correct

[silent nova]

tp is probably not that great since this is likely tp droned

[pallid isle]

You may though also just have weaker workers which is a factor so that's why I said to look at pin 4

If that's droned tp that also means very weak workers

Or also just no proviso

Its hard for me to really always have a good picture of what non proviso looks like since I am so used to seeing more reports with her and have had her for such a long time

[worthy elk]

252, no idea, nope, yes

gimme a sec

got to figure out how do i make the copy of the rotation schedule.

[pallid isle]

Have to make a copy of the sheet

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/padre-pascal-gif-18311258769150165843

[worthy elk]

how do i change the picture ?

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345312730923663381/1440505885771436135/IMG_2479.gif

[winged hollow]

Been there done that

[fluid pollen]

Skill issue

[winged hollow]

Keep it at "it's just a game" mindset

[fluid pollen]

Yep, and skill issue is most relevant when applied to games.

[worthy elk]

guys, a question, the formula is refering the image to the l2 cell, but the l2 cell is empty ? how it refer to the YU text on L2 cell?

[winged hollow]

busy irl not to care enough for your game is a good enough excuses

[silent nova]

its l2 in the self sheet

[wild ice]

jiramide jumpscare in riic wtf bro

[silent nova]

phleg jumpscare

idk why i'm active in this channel again

my last message ws like 2y ears ago

[fluid pollen]

It’s a joke smh doesn’t take much time to rotate even when busy tho

[worthy elk]

got it

[silent nova]

for reference indexing notation can also specify which sheet it's indexing, and in that case it follows sheet!index format

[winged hollow]

then rotate it now and regret later

[torn meteor]

yeah rotating is fast when you dont do dorm micromanagement for stuff like sui, RL, pozy, or dead lancet

[stoic spoke]

tried pins>link 5? its easier

[torn meteor]

it just takes a lil longer each day

[winged hollow]

RL do not need micromanagement

[fluid pollen]

But this is my rotation time

[torn meteor]

yesnt, they do when you use them with sui

[winged hollow]

yikes

I do them standalone so I can switch them gold/exp/orundum by my will anytime

[torn meteor]

i should be clear only mumu and nasti need the micromanagement in RL

[stoic spoke]

[torn meteor]

marcille 🚮

[winged hollow]

why don't use ros

[stoic spoke]

lacking suis

[torn meteor]

ros is still worth if you have whisperain

40% worker

wait thats only max right

[stoic spoke]

and

[winged hollow]

what if I use mul

[torn meteor]

disregard

[torn meteor]

mul is for higher mrnothing lower ros

[winged hollow]

iirc it's 1.3 with mul

still better than marcille

[torn meteor]

mul doesnt give PI just WP

ros just wants PI

ling and dusk give PI tho

[winged hollow]

I know I said about total score

[fluid pollen]

[winged hollow]

I have eben with nothing in tp

[torn meteor]

ok yeah eben makes ros goated

[fluid pollen]

Tbf Marcille ain’t bad

Used both Jieyun and Marcille bf

Still on Jieyun

[torn meteor]

32 that requires a worker in your level 2 dorm 🚮

its not that bad i just dont like it

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arturia-arknights-virtuosa-gif-14892882252151034466

[winged hollow]

3 mintues before mt people do your rotation

[fluid pollen]

yea I ain’t willing to use Gladiia.

[winged hollow]

gladiia suck

[torn meteor]

ngl i want to use gladiia she averages above 30% workers even if i oversleep

but i lack andreanna skadi

[fluid pollen]

Hmm

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1250095615522771096/20240424_224022.gif

[fluid pollen]

That’s the weakest shift of 13 11.

[stoic spoke]

rotate dynamically

[torn meteor]

you will catch my ass on a simultaneous
8 16 and
12 12 12

[fluid pollen]

Lazy works bc I can only afford to rotate twice a day.

[torn meteor]

rotation times are 8 12 24

[fluid pollen]

The fun stuff was Fia Dusk

8 for Gladiia?

[torn meteor]

ye

[uncut dome]

[torn meteor]

8 leaves the average as 39 with 2 smiley workers

[stoic spoke]

[fluid pollen]

Oh hey

[torn meteor]

you will catch my ass accepting efficiency drops because it still averages out better if i fuck up

[fluid pollen]

Yea reasonable

[torn meteor]

what id give for a 4th preset slot tho

[stoic spoke]

do you like my latest abomination

[torn meteor]

24h gladiia is crazy

[stoic spoke]

its not 24h

it's normal rotation but with "swap abyssal hunters in when ready"

[torn meteor]

oop okay that makes more sense

[stoic spoke]

is nasti mumu worth replacing dead lancet

it'd free up a CC and a PP slot. and weedy gets -30% FAC

eunectes can be moved into weedy's fac after a TP downgrade nope she's just 30% if doing that

[torn meteor]

i think the answer to that is yes, nasti is goated

[fluid pollen]

Was thinking about that also…

But no point restructuring until she’s here

[orchid bane]

Automata team is good, even only Greyy2 Weedy Pure is already 85%

[torn meteor]

dead lancet is also 25 less drones than mumu, mumu is only slightly less productivity, nasti bridges the gap by wanting 5rl too

[orchid bane]

Dead lancet is a team that cost you 1 CC slot, that is on you

[torn meteor]

that too

[fluid pollen]

Looks fun

[orchid bane]

this team only cost you 1 PP which we don't have any more useful OP atm, and this team is already better than Nasti

[fluid pollen]

40% Ros

[stoic spoke]

[40,50)

[fluid pollen]

[torn meteor]

i mentioned it a while back, im debating dropping a factory level for 2nd level 3 tp once i get eben cuz then i can eben nothing and eben makes rosmontis mostly bridge the gap

and like i dont curse so i make more than enough gold anyway more tp is nice

does my logic sound alright to yall?

[stoic spoke]

so we:

• freed a CC slot
• dropped 30% in weedy (after removing eunectes from CC)
• gained 15-20% in nasty(110% compared to regular gold teams i.e 90-95%)
• gained 12.5% in mumu (vs dead lancet's 0%)
• need to manage space for RL ops

[fluid pollen]

If you plug it into the sheet what does it say

[torn meteor]

me?

[fluid pollen]

Yea

[torn meteor]

havent calced yet, im over 10,000km away from my computer atm lmao

[fluid pollen]

Well if you figure it makes sense math wise then go ahead.

[torn meteor]

i'll calc in like 30 hours, my 10 hour flight back home is tomorrow

[fluid pollen]

Well dead Lancet is a fraud so you shld take that into account when using Eun also

[torn meteor]

thats not too hard with rl factory provided you arent using pozy at the same time

[stoic spoke]

what fraud

[fluid pollen]

It’s -10%

[torn meteor]

the drones you drop using dead lancet are decently significant

[stoic spoke]

its already accounted for in mumu's 12.5% no?

[fluid pollen]

Yea but Weedy gets + 30 Lancet just -12.5 from that right.

[torn meteor]

lancet is 0 drones so the gap between mumu and lancet is like 17.5 productivity iirc

[fluid pollen]

Oh is there also the dead in the ditch thing

No right

[stoic spoke]

dead lancet doesn't make any drones

[fluid pollen]

smh Eun

[torn meteor]

assuming you treat 2% drones as 1% productivity

and treat tp as equal to fac

[stoic spoke]

How to best use the freed CC

[torn meteor]

what would you call a standard rot rn?