r-i-i-c

[jaunty notch]

silence alter is 35

with dorothy

don't ping

and you can add marcille as a 32

[torn meteor]

nono an actual 35 exp, so with 2 itd be a 110

[arctic prism]

was thinking glaslow is 95 vs probably 80 you could get with 40's
so +15%

[jaunty notch]

you already have a shit ton of 35% xp

[torn meteor]

yeah but they arent RL

[jaunty notch]

none of them will be RL

ah you're doing the difference

[arctic prism]

e.g. amiya + lemu exu vs glaslow

yea

23.52 vs 23.25

basically the same

[jaunty notch]

that is p good still

i kinda wanna put siege in my base a long time

[arctic prism]

for her recovery skill?

[jaunty notch]

and since morgan is always first in the dorms list i figure i should make her go away

no

i just like her

[arctic prism]

oh lol icic

[jaunty notch]

like how i edit my rots to have as much women as possible

[arctic prism]

lmao

[jaunty notch]

why do you think my personal thoughts always add whether if a good replacement op is female or not

[arctic prism]

honestly

relatable tho

[jaunty notch]

i wish i could do the laterano comp in 252 honestly

archetto's skin looks so good

i bought it, i gave her IS mod

and she's just not rotting in base

but kichisei's good too

meanwhile i'm stuck with vigil

🤮

[fluid pollen]

Vigil is cool smh.

got rid of the guy.

But still cool surely.

[jaunty notch]

but yeah Cho this is good

i can Fiam pure now

i don't have to change my fac to xp during AM rest shift to get that 3% bonus anymore

this is great

IF I DON'T HAVE LESS THAN 100 GOLD BARS RIGHT NOW

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-saber-kamen-rider-falchion-bacht-bahato-masashi-taniguchi-gif-21577602

[arctic prism]

[jaunty notch]

meanwhile I'm doing vector with supply stages so i lost all my Tragodia funds

[fluid pollen]

Bruh

[jaunty notch]

speedrun strat baby

[jaunty notch]

@arctic prism

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/658639480290279435/933515908108914728/8F112F0D-17DF-4739-92D8-5867120763AC.gif

[arctic prism]

lmao nice nice

exodia pozy mulesyse all at the same time

dorms gonna be lookin like this all the time

https://tenor.com/view/crowded-people-woah-when-the-store-said-buy-one-take-three-opening-day-gif-16779164

[wind otter]

the muminator still in da house

[icy basin]

I have like 4mil in exp certs and about 2 mil lmd running 2-5-2, should I turn some factories into trading posts to catch up on lmd?

[stoic spoke]

Droning proviso?

If more LMD isn't immediately required.

[pallid isle]

if you have that much exp and lmd you shouldn't immediately need anything

i agree though just drone proviso more

or if your doing 3 exp do 3 gold instead if you need the gold for droning proviso

[icy basin]

alr time to e2 proviso then

[pallid isle]

how much gold you got

[icy basin]

I already swapped to 3 gold factories and its been stable around 250 despite droning trading posts

just no proviso

[pallid isle]

shes still good to use even without e2 asfaik

so that would be pretty big

staying with 3 gold seems good

[icy basin]

oh i thought her skill only picks up at e2

[pallid isle]

shes a lot better at e2 but still very strong at e0

if i didn't mess up the math pairing with exu at e0 in a level 2 is around 81% total

so its still an extreme bonus

[stoic spoke]

Why is she not e2 yet

Uhh, btw I had a question regarding "E2ing for base" ROI calculation.

[stoic spoke]

Does the calculation take into account the "compounding effect" that fully built (E2 teams) provide for base productivity?

Compounding as in the better the workers, faster the returns.

It becomes like a feedback loop with higher returns allowing more e2s for base.

[fluid pollen]

It only takes in consideration the difference in percentage from e0 - 2 of that op. As for Teq, some calculations take in consideration E2 ramp units existence and Fia as well.

But usually it’s just the individual op themselves.

Proviso also has one of those ig but forced to build anw so was never controversial enough

[stoic spoke]

[obtuse fossil]

Does someone here have spreadsheets for all the available base slave combo?

Nvm I found it

[spare pivot]

[azure topaz]

should i get dorothy for exodia base rotation

[orchid bane]

Dorothy has nothing to do with exodia

Just maybe it suit your rotation somehow

Dorothy and silence2 65% for 2 slot is the best you can get from her

[summer kernel]

What's the second best EXP team after PS? Do you just run the 35EXP ops and/or AH for 40?

[torn meteor]

yesnt, decide based on if you would actually use her. in practice the 2% efficiency you gain using dorothy silencealt over bubble vulcan doesnt really justify the character investment. if you are willing to accept that she is part of many well optimized rotations, however again building 2 6stars instead of a 4star and a 5star for base aint it chief. the return on investment is incredibly slow

[torn meteor]

ah would technically be better but they beat most factory teams and have low uptime, iirc its vermeil scene pallas after that, then 35s

[fluid pollen]

Oops seems Jieyun keeps her place.

[torn meteor]

personally i also prefer using AH for gold over exp because you just need more gold productivity to keep up with trading posts and exp just doesnt have as much demand, usually just using dedicated exp workers is plenty of exp particularly when using full pinus

[summer kernel]

I'm pretty sure the best vermeil team doesn't beat out three 35s in standard rotations since it takes 5 hrs to ramp and maxes at 106. They're even after 35hrs

Dies in 36hrs lol. I guess it's more if you run CY Exodia

[tribal knot]

is this a good Base setup?

3 factories doing Pure Gold, 2 doing xp tickets

[rugged phoenix]

max right 252 layout. its as good as you can get

you usually want 2 gold 3 exp if possible

[tribal knot]

I am noticing that I am consuming more gold than I produce... so I made 3 gold than 2

[rugged phoenix]

should net positive gold unless you run proviso

err, maybe get tequila combo?

[tribal knot]

Tequila and whom?

[rugged phoenix]

shamare teq bibeak. shamare and bibeak need e2, teq wants e2 but e0 works

[tribal knot]

oh, i dont have bibeak

[frank cipher]

it's actually shama and tequila needed, bibeak is optional

[rugged phoenix]

oh right

bibeak subs

[frank cipher]

shama core 90%
teq e0/e2 30%/60%
bibeak etc e0/e2 15%/30%

[rugged phoenix]

E2 tequila has to make a new order before the e2 effect takes place

[winged hollow]

is it still work if I move out teq to the dorm heal him before the time and put him back?

[remote bison]

welp i got an incredibly different exp slave

chejobe can retire from vermeil team and off to others

[torn meteor]

i mean 3 35s would be 105 so vermeil tp starts being better after the 10 hour mark roughly

[queen flicker]

finally got proviso. this is my current base. so whats the plan? downgrade one tp to lvl 2 and upgrade one fac to lvl 3? however cant fia proviso + shamare + tequila if proviso is in lvl 2 because no mlynar. would have to fia only proviso and a second target like purestream. what do you think?

or keep proviso in lvl 3 tp

[arctic prism]

just curse

[queen flicker]

i cant curse at work

[arctic prism]

to actually answer your question though it's still worth it to downgrade; regardless you're going to be fia proviso now so shamare team is going to see downtime if you can only afford to fia 2

unless you're saying you can still fia 3 if proviso is in lv3 tp but not if she's in lv2 tp, in which case you'd have to go actually calculate what you're gaining or losing in either scenario and see what you prefer

likely you end up with a minor reduction in lmd prod and end up with a minor boost in factory prod

[warm pendant]

is 2/5/2 worth it if you maxed right side already?

[queen flicker]

yeah thats what i meant

[arctic prism]

yes

[arctic prism]

if so then yeah you'd have to calculate how much you're losing out by having shamare team downtime including ramp up calcs + tp loss from downgrading tp using proviso multipliers then compare it to what you gain by adding an extra fac op + fia your next best option after shamare/teq

[queen flicker]

second fia target its either purestream or quartz (proviso partner) i guess

[queen flicker]

i really dont know how to calc that without doing the calcs, what does your instinct say

[arctic prism]

this lol

so it's up to you to decide whether that's worth it

[queen flicker]

i think i value lmd more. i have a decent gold stack for now

anyway thanks. if i ever get mlynar, downgrade tp is better right

[arctic prism]

yea generally that's the case since the amount of tp% you lose in doing that is pretty small compared to the amount of factory% you gain

[summer kernel]

When does CN get the ordered Clues QoL and when did they get the latest friend slot expansion?

[valid storm]

I think it was Ato

[jaunty notch]

Wdym ordered clues

Also ato added 25

[normal lava]

And theres no max to how much ambience can be applied right? To an activity room

If so, whats the maximum ambience? Or at the least the max amount of which is converted for trust gain

[valid storm]

I think they meant that you can favourite friends for the clue gifting

[wind otter]

trash trago pulls

[torn meteor]

finally ready to e2 my fucking qiubai before i go back to leveling shit for base

if only i wasnt gated by dualchips

fucking red certs

[wind otter]

that's a lot of fs

[torn meteor]

i am perpetually broke im madge that dualchips eat into my event currency grind

[wind otter]

It's part of HG's materplan

[vale frigate]

Is this the best base plan?

[queen flicker]

sorry what do you mean?

[fluid pollen]

i js accidentally converted all red certs into chip catalysts.

Moved too fast.

[vale frigate]

I meant this is the highest efficiency base

[torn meteor]

if you mean layout basically, if you mean workers no

[frank cipher]

quibai cook past event with 100 atkspeed, welcome to quibai enjoyer

[vale frigate]

I want to make changes to the base, I'm not sure what to do.

[queen flicker]

i'm far from having the best workers but i'm trying

[vale frigate]

what is the best workers combo in this game ?

[queen flicker]

check pin 4

[torn meteor]

https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c

[wind otter]

don't forget to check Special tab, people can miss Special

[wind otter]

you may be joking, but imagine... I think someone did this once, iirc. Or maybe it was spending event currency on a single unlimited item or something

[vale frigate]

I don't know who did this but I'm relearning the game I've been playing for 6 years

[frank cipher]

you accidentally covert red cert to chip, i accidentally covert gold cert to chip, we're not the same
pretend that didn't happen

[arctic prism]

you guys... dont convert all your red certs to chip catalysts..??

i do that all the time

[visual gull]

Is this yours?

[wind otter]

imagine spending all your red certs on chip catalysts when you still have more DIamante pots to buy to make him even more powerful

[summer kernel]

They talked about ordering the received clues in expiration order in the CN preview livestream. Not sure if that applies to the received folder though. They don't seem to give a specific date unless I missed it

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oHyrBsEZU/?t=2960

[fluid pollen]

Well nope but have 100+ now

It wasn’t in fact a joke.

[arctic prism]

just use them

[wind otter]

then how come it's so funny

[summer kernel]

sadly, all the friend stuff was a month later in ave mujica collab but hopefully global gets it sooner

[summer kernel]

Scene ramps from 15 to 25 so the whole team takes 5hrs to increment to 106. Youre down 30 **25 **points of total production in that 5hr ramp time compared to three 35s so you need another 30 25 hrs of 106 to make up for that.
5+30= 35
5 + 25 = 30hrs to break even using Vermeil-Pallas-Scene vs three 35s.

Edit: Bad numbers

[formal crow]

erm, i can't access the rotation guide on the pinned, does some1 have an excel on good trading post rotation or smth?

[torn meteor]

that isnt accounting for the fact the scaling doesnt happen all at once, that shit is not taking 35 hours to break even because the scaling happening every hour shrinks the gap

[summer kernel]

try the google sheets in pin 4. go to the INFO tab. there should be some example rotations

[torn meteor]

hour 1 its 15, then 17, 19, 21, 23, then finally 25 after hour 5 finishes

also usually people stagger 25s in their lvl 2 exp factory anyway where vermeil must be used in the lvl 3 to be worth using

[arctic prism]

can think of it like this:
scene team - three 35% first 5 hrs:
96 - 105 = -9
98 - 105 = -7
100 - 105 = -5
102 - 105 = -3
104 - 105= -1
for every hour after
106 - 105 = 1
the number of hours you need to break even = (sum of % loss during ramp / % gain post ramp) + ramp duration
((9 + 7 + 5 + 3 + 1) / 1) + 5 = 30 hrs

[round lichen]

This again…

[arctic prism]

lol

what Scholar was doing is correct in theory just was comparing to 106 vs 105

[summer kernel]

yea this. I accidentally used 106 instead of 105 in my sum of loss. Ill edit my numbers

[jaunty notch]

that was funny ngl

[arctic prism]

oh wtf when did that happen I missed it lmao

just found it from searching for "ramp" in this channel

[jaunty notch]

confidently incorrect

just do the cake factory math smh

[summer kernel]

oh lmao. i forgot this happened like a month ago

[jaunty notch]

i personally just take the ave % in 24h or w/e then compare

no need to hurt myself trying to deduce every hour ramp loss

though to be fair i stopped using scene team ages ago

[summer kernel]

do you still run 35s then? My original question was what do people run for EXP besides Pinus. I assume its 35s, AHs, and Ros, the last two if you prefer EXP over gold.

[arctic prism]

yea you use 35s

[fluid pollen]

True! I can e2 all welfares now.

[fluid pollen]

[jaunty notch]

yeah, Verm team isn't bad but they just make worse dorm rotations

[arctic prism]

just the fact that they need to stay in there for 30 hrs at a time in order to match a 35% avg means they're p useless at this point

with the abundance of 35 exp

[jaunty notch]

i don't even use that many 35

[arctic prism]

• better ops for xp

[jaunty notch]

i use 42

[arctic prism]

yeah exactly

the amount of time you need 35s even is just while the better ops are dead

so 30 hrs

[jaunty notch]

you can refer to my (insane) rotations

[summer kernel]

I need another broken EXP team like Pinus. the 35s are killing my avg production

[arctic prism]

AH

[summer kernel]

[jaunty notch]

nah homie

you need a 35% gold

remember gravel?

she's so powerful HG never made another skill like hers

[arctic prism]

yea 35% gold would be nice

but hg says no

[fluid pollen]

Another Purestream ty.

[jaunty notch]

Ah old meme i made for CN act or die

my pts skills are nice

[summer kernel]

Also, is anyone running AD-3? It's crazy rocks with devices as sidedrop. I think its only ~10% less efficient than 1-7 for AO shards but you get 1.4 Mang or 860LMD for every rock you miss out on.

Tempted to run AD-3 instead of AD-8 but i may need alloy

[summer kernel]

didnt we get Thorns2 this year? 36% and 39 for our resident 333 lol

[arctic prism]

thats tru

[fluid pollen]

Took unmodded Vigil out for a spin. Not sure if I’m just bad at the game or like he’s actually decent.

I don’t get the flame.

[frank cipher]

m1 m2 m3? how it's?

[fluid pollen]

Just s1m3.

Not great but not terrible either

[pallid isle]

if we are just talking s1

i mean about as good as any other auto dp skill ig

[jaunty notch]

let's save that discussion for other places

[fluid pollen]

Spread Vigil propaganda so people build him for base.

[jaunty notch]

I once even saw sb post their pulls here

[pallid isle]

on a different note i actually do still use him for base because i been using monster 7% tp instead of mnster hunter

but its kinda whatever

[jaunty notch]

let's not turn the only good channel into ak general

[pallid isle]

i could still use underflow

for the same thing

[jaunty notch]

but then you'd need another slot for Ulp

[fluid pollen]

He’s just more convenient tho yep.

Might as well make use of brick.

[jaunty notch]

he'll never be seen again once right side is downgradable

[fluid pollen]

Ig he’s staying until eos then

Unless they give us better tp%

[pallid isle]

all it takes is one more 40%

i mean even discounting that when i do cursed hes gone gone

underflow is great when i am doing that as well

[jaunty notch]

hg will never make an unconditional 40

[fluid pollen]

Doesn’t have to be unconditional maybe just an easier condition to hit.

[pallid isle]

exactly

[fluid pollen]

Well don’t have hopes for MH collab making TRC better.

[pallid isle]

i still haven't decided what i am doing with trag though kek

if i am ditching scene for the hell of it or not

[fluid pollen]

If you can prob just ditch Scene?

Can’t imagine you’re using her for that long either

[summer kernel]

we just had a whole discussion on how bad scene vermeil is lol

[pallid isle]

well that depends entirely on

how much factory space you have

i still using jusans let me find it

[fluid pollen]

Oh right you’re lvl 1 office

[pallid isle]

yeah so like this makes sense for me

i flip the mh and sui

because then i have an extra slot for like well espeically now monster

or well anything

lee amyia

[fluid pollen]

Too many fac slots making me dizzy.

[finite yew]

Should all my factories be making gold?

[jaunty notch]

@arctic prism

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ex-aid-exaid-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-poppy-poppy-gif-23072305

[summer kernel]

oh thats cool. You can actually fit in Scene for a continuous 36hrs. How tight is that rotation? Doesnt she die in like 36.9hrs?

[arctic prism]

LOL

[jaunty notch]

at least tecno and chestnut is dead last

[arctic prism]

just give up on the muelsyse man lmao

[jaunty notch]

I WANT MY 5% pp

[arctic prism]

im doing the same thing just only slotting muelsyse in whenever it's convenient for me lmao

[pallid isle]

no we balance between usually either 3 exp 2 gold or 3 gold and 2 exp

[pallid isle]

scene usually isn't the problem for me

my schedule is all over the place so

its made it a bit hard

sometimes some things die

but i have mitigated by throwing mylnar in a little bit

for extra shifts and sacking mosnter

or just having to rotate a little early sometimes

by a few minutes

[jaunty notch]

the difference is this isn't enough to inconvenience me

[pallid isle]

just set the 12 hours for when your out of work before and after

if only

it could be so simple

[fluid pollen]

There’s CY there so it looks pretty loose.

[pallid isle]

but yeah

i even have been using mylnar and amyia over cy

for when i wanna actually use my tr

and the difference is actually not really that extreme when office is only level 1

[fluid pollen]

What about shoving your Sui units in RR instead?

[pallid isle]

is that actually better?

so

its a 60% worker in mr nothing

vs a 40% worker + 14% tp

[fluid pollen]

Oh you can’t fit Amiya alr….

[pallid isle]

i meant mylnar + amyia instead of cy + ling

i have come back to raising more skills as of late so its just what i been doing instead and its "fine"

[fluid pollen]

Could still be better, if you don’t believe in clues spd?

[summer kernel]

yeah, letting things die is a way worse for production than a hypothetically slightly suboptimal but easier set up. Learned that the hard way

[pallid isle]

6% tp vs how much clue speed we talking ig

how many times i have forgotten to swap out gladia

[fluid pollen]

Oh

[pallid isle]

[fluid pollen]

better not try then.

[pallid isle]

gladia fits so perfectly in the jessica time frame though as seen in the rotation posted

but yeah i mean idk

you asked a pretty interesting question

idk if using sui in rr is better or worse then 6% tp

or well i mean

[jaunty notch]

RR isn't important

[pallid isle]

the clue speed cost

[jaunty notch]

credit shop never got updated anyway

so everything has same values

worse even

[arctic prism]

id agree with marginally worse

[pallid isle]

obviously if i just did cursed then cy is out that rotation anyway

but things get way tighter

[summer kernel]

I'm not sure if running gladiia would be a net positive for me since she'll probably die often. Letting her die for 1hr is probably worse than a whole shift of potential gains

[pallid isle]

i was told it wasn't

and my numbers don't seem to be that massively impacted when letting her die

but to be on the safe side you should just use her for less time then

[arctic prism]

leaving her dead for an hour roughly turns the avg to like 35% ish

[jaunty notch]

it's 2.5h

[arctic prism]

huh

[jaunty notch]

this shit

but actually the numbers might be different depending on your other workers

but yeah it's a way to calc

[arctic prism]

isnt it just 40 * 7.5 (or 7.75, etc) / 35 if you want to get amount of time until 35% avg

[jaunty notch]

idk, that could work too

[pallid isle]

yeah though its pretty bad leaving them for dead for 4ish hours like i have so i either have to be way more careful in the future or just stop using her

[jaunty notch]

yeah that's total cakes divided by the fac2's prod

same stuff

but the math i sent does show some other things you might wanna know

[arctic prism]

oh we just used different numbers for % fac that's why the results are diff

[jaunty notch]

yeah

my point was you can replace the numbers

showing em the formula p much

[arctic prism]

ye makes sense

[summer kernel]

graphed it for science

too small lol. that one was for ants

[arctic prism]

lol I was gonna ask why you have time on Y axis and avg prod on X but either way still accurate

[summer kernel]

isnt avg prod the independent variable in this case? I guess its time if you plan on letting it die for say 15minutes on a 8hr rotation

[arctic prism]

ig the way I see it how most people would use the graph would be like
oh shoot I left gladiia in there for X hrs too long, I wonder what my avg prod is now

kind of thing

[fluid pollen]

Oh damn almost read the graph wrongly.

[summer kernel]

do yall want me to flip it lol

[arctic prism]

if it makes sense to you i think it's fine lmao

[fluid pollen]

Read it as like avg prod = more time to spare the first time but it didn’t make sense.

am just illiterate I think.

[summer kernel]

Damn, I didnt realize that AH goes down to 26% if you forget on a 12hr rotation

[pallid isle]

[fluid pollen]

Negative prod.

[frank cipher]

AH being base slave making you base slave slavery base slave

[vital oriole]

Does AH work with Weedy? Idr

[rugged phoenix]

Nope

This in theory would allow me to let purestream and proviso work for a while yes?

On downtime i could get things like delphine kal amiya flametail + flex for a switcheroo

Yes im planning to make pinus squad. Would combo nicely with mizu highmorb when vermeil and purestream died

[rigid plume]

I'm so much wonder...
Do I need this shit...

🥹

Free 65%

[fluid pollen]

Well Tragodia is free and functions on his own.

Christine is just worse than a 4*.

There’s a lotta 30% exp ops.

[valid storm]

He isn't free, the catto is

[fluid pollen]

Free if you’re pulling for him that is.

Not like you’re leaving him at e0.

Unless you just hate the French, then why pull at all!

[valid storm]

I don't plan to raise him, I'm a necrotic damage user

[fluid pollen]

[eternal gyro]

Hey2 how to improve my base, as now i got Proviso:

Current Base:

1st TP (Lv3): Sham+Teq+Paprika
2nd TP (Lv3): Lapp + Texas + E0 Jaye

1st Factory (lv3): Exp
2nd Factory (Lv 3): Exp
3rd Factory (Lv 3): Gold
4th Factory (Lv 2): Gold
5th Factory (Lv 2): Gold.

I have fiametta, Mylnar to support production.

I'll downgrade TP to lv 2, but not sure the best Factory combination to provide enough gold

[queen flicker]

whats your gold workers?

[torn meteor]

https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c heres the sheet, it really comes down to what your workers ARE

and heres a calc spreadsheet that has everything up to necrass for you to play with numbers, theres also what was at one point about the best 12 12 12 rotation you could do to my understanding if you want to reference that some https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14WzOA_cNpvG_PCHrtpxBgBpQWh4I1_TRgFPqk12W_lo/edit#gid=0

[queen flicker]

will i have capacity problem here in a 12h shift?

i made some calcs (probably wrong) and it should produce 40 gold in 12h. so very close. i'll place popukar in an exp fac instead just to be sure. exp takes more time than gold right

and +0.25 morale consumption workers can work ~26h in a lvl 3 right

[frank cipher]

need 140% above to overcap gold lvl3 in 12h.idk never overcap unless run automata 160%

[jaunty notch]

just look at the timer in overview

[queen flicker]

overview timer aint timing correctly i think

[fluid pollen]

It’s max cap/if op dies first.

Iirc.

[torn meteor]

is that including the fact popukar is reducing capacity tho? realistically the 110?(napkin math idk if its correct) productivity likely isnt enough to bridge the gap even with popukar lowering it but yeah

[regal fog]

remind me again how many drones do i need to build a lv3 trading post from scratch

[jaunty notch]

190

10/60/120

@arctic prism perfect

[regal fog]

thx

[torn meteor]

locked czerny huh, honestly whats 1 more unlocked slot

[normal lava]

Can someone confirm if I have everything I needed for base?
https://www.krooster.com/u/adepti_oracle

[queen flicker]

you mean e1 base slaves? then i think you are missing e1 perfumer

[normal lava]

yeah.. im trying to get her 😔

is she significant?

[queen flicker]

when you say get her, you mean promoting her?

[normal lava]

it shows my current ambience right?

[normal lava]

no, having her, owning her etc

[queen flicker]

oh. but you already have her. it shows in your krooster

[normal lava]

HUH

oh shi

did not realize

[fluid pollen]

Shows ambience up till limit yea.

[normal lava]

anyways I need help manually to set the rotations for my ops soon, im sort of lost on how to organize it

[normal lava]

oh ok good

ambience affects trust gain right?

[fluid pollen]

Yes

[normal lava]

oh right i just e1'd her so all good 👍

[queen flicker]

also i see you don't have cuora yet. so if you are going to use a vermeil team, maybe consider e1 beanstalk. or wait for cuora idk

[normal lava]

I'll e1 beanstalk, 70 pulls total on this account and no cuora.. 💔

[fluid pollen]

You can point em towards the noob tab on the base guide. There’s a low invest basic op rot you can adapt.

Have fun

[queen flicker]

you'll eventually get her. anyway i think you have most of the early base slaves at e1 already. and yeah check pin 4

[normal lava]

hm ok

[strange junco]

do i effed up my base? what's the max lvl of power plant? i didn't have any extra power to maxed the last 2 factory and a trading post
i didn't checked if the building on the right side consumed power but can't i downgrade the building on the right side?
felt really dumb rn

[normal lava]

you f'd up on upgrading office but ur fine, downgrade dorm and upgrade center and continue 252 base

[strange junco]

oh okay, got it
thanks for the help

[orchid bane]

Trago, stainless and wulfenite share the 9-6 module quest

But I don't have wulfenite

[inner ocean]

Goddamn, been a while but I'm back to farming CE-6 since there's now a clear imbalance of having more EXP than LMD

promotions and modules really leaning to LMD costs a lot while EXP's untouched. And no amount of base fixing can fix the balancing unless I gimp my own EXP production.

[frank cipher]

ce-6 in middle of event? 3tp is option if got stack of gold
sed my lmd Ao was sharp 10:1 till i collect daily

[valid storm]

I bet that he's the kind of ultra whale who can farm whatever

[orchid bane]

Meanwhile I am out of module block

Got Ines and Trago on the table

[inner ocean]

I'm not. But I had so many sanity pots from ch15 that I already finished getting 150 of the 3 mats in the event

I just need to wait for the EX maps and EX missions so I don't "overfarm" the event. I also have a nice amt of mangos and kohl and would rather get more of those on future event farms where the main mats to farm have lower amt of stockpile

[inner ocean]

I recently burned through my gold stockpile from 1000 -> 100 by using 3 EXP until I turned back to 3 gold a week ago.

I'm now doing 3 gold again for the gold stockpile to increase again so I can do another 3 EXP during then

Like I said, there's no base option for me to solve this LMD EXP imbalance unless I sabotage my own EXP base combos (which I won't)

for context as to why I have such an imbalance, I plan to E2 40 everyone I have.
And if there's enough resources to spare without killing my future operator raising plans, I do just that. Oh and also, giving mod3 to my strongest used ops and mod1 to those I just want more lore.

[frank cipher]

1000 gold to exp, no wonder you have exp surplus, exp legit catch up lmd even half lmd prod

[inner ocean]

btw that is a 3 gold setup

I naturally get gold surplus in 3 gold

and gold stockpile loss in 3 EXP

so I really have no need to ever do 3 TP post-Proviso

I have thought about doing 4 gold

but ngl.....that means wasting a really good EXP combo and using a really mediocre Gold combo (and nerfing the subs of the other gold factories)

[frank cipher]

good gold/exp combo not much diff,but yeah 4 gold kinda waste unless you prio lmd prod

[inner ocean]

I also do not want to over-correct like that since there was a time I farmed LS-6

so yeah, there will be times where EXP is the one caught lacking. Most likely from constant operator level raising and not much promotions/modules

[arctic prism]

[vital oriole]

I went down to a single green xp card for the first time in ages level Tragodia last night

though I also lack lmd lol

[jaunty notch]

i can't even e2 ms christine

[fluid pollen]

I lack everything. it’s not just skill books.

[normal lava]

I need a guide for this or if someones willing to manually help me with this in call with my ops

i've been reading the spreadsheet and some videos and I dont understand it, in terms of how to place it in the overview

because there just telling me combos, but I have so many facilities to fill and least to rotate with so its complicated for my brain

[nimble inlet]

Just realized clue search speed icon is inconsistent between operators, 2 lines of a circle can mean both 15% and 20%

[gleaming fossil]

I recommend using Pin 5 to test out rotations. You can enter Ops in there and it corresponds 1:1 to the facility slots - whatever is at the "top" of the slot for a facility is the #1 slot, etc. It's what I used to set up my 2/5/2 and 3/4/2 loadouts and balanced my production the way I wanted it. Does take some time to do, though, as you have to think about load balancing your dorm rotations.

[normal lava]

this or this

[gleaming fossil]

The calc spreadsheet

[normal lava]

ah found it, i'll check it out after my stage

but this is for filling the rotation formations in overview right?

[gleaming fossil]

Yes. You set the operators in the cells, and then it will generate an average for your production and trades. Then you can set up each loadout for the facilities in your base using the setups in each shift column.

[normal lava]

ohhh thats exactly the sort of sheet I needed this whole time

[gleaming fossil]

Yeah, it's super helpful for being able to experiment with set ups and understand where you have weaknesses or too many swaps happening at once

[harsh cloud]

Using drones on TP is recommended when proviso is around huh?

or just using drones on TP in general

with good ops in TPs

[arctic prism]

in terms of pure efficiency it's probably
proviso tp > shamare teq tp > xp fac > regular tp = gold

[fluid pollen]

But

[arctic prism]

if you value lmd a lot more than exp like how most people who stumble into this channel do though, can prio regular tp/gold over xp

i guess i should just reword that to most people

[fluid pollen]

not you.

[arctic prism]

lmao even with that i cant stop myself from droning tp bc brain just says "muh efficiency"

[normal dagger]

Does base have a weekly pull limit from factory+trading

[finite magnet]

according to the spreadsheet,the best way of worker rotation is using 1 general worker and using them together with a specialized worker right?

[frank cipher]

if specialized worker give % to other general worker, yes
if no, 3 general worker also fine

specialized worker give 5% to general worker or
specialized worker give 5% to specialized worker
general worker give 5% to general worker same with faction

[jaunty notch]

@arctic prism last of them

3 dorm gaming

[arctic prism]

lmao 3 dorm gaming

more like 2 dorm gaming if anything

[eternal gyro]

Oh my, seeing all these spreadsheet and images through phone make my head ache..
Is it possible if i just drop my krooster and you guys suggest? 😉

[harsh cloud]

When people earn 50-60k or higher LMDs in base... do they actually earn those LMDs just by making their operators work and accumulate that kind of amount for hours or do they use Drones to make their LMD earnings high with proviso and other good LMD earning ops?

which ends up with them accumulating to that amount of LMDs in their R.I.I.C report

[inner ocean]

What you're seeing from my results

has Proviso droning

[harsh cloud]

I see... so 50-60K LMD earnings and above are all because of proviso droning

for the most part

[frank cipher]

drone prov give 12k-18k lmd
make you guarantee 60k above if your base tp prod is 50k

[torn meteor]

yes and no, 50-60k is easy with proviso tequila shamare if you always drone tp, but to keep that up you need good gold productivity

[inner ocean]

3 gold needing to sustain a constant Proviso-droning

At least

[orchid bane]

[queen flicker]

anything wrong here or worth improving?

also, what noticable workers would you consider raising? i'm working on thorns alter e2. i was about to e2 eunectes and greey alter too, but i think i'll wait until i have weedy. or atleast snegurochka. then maybe e2 a tailoring. and for facs, feater, aroma, miss christine and bryophyta when he reruns. but out of all these e2, only thorns alter and automation team seems worth gameplay wise. what do you think?

[normal lava]

Please help 🥀

[queen flicker]

are you willing to do stagger rotations? https://youtu.be/0si4HMQuYBo

[normal lava]

wth is stagger rotations

[normal lava]

does this require me to specifically rotate one out manually?
Cuz I just want to use the rotate button and be done with it every time I come back to base 6 hours-12 to see if the rotate button is available to rotate them

[normal lava]

also is this enough to like passively gain LMD and exp?

sufficiently

[inner ocean]

You want efficiency? Youre not gonna do Rotate All ever

[normal lava]

wdym? ToT

so I have to manually hand pick ops without using the very feature of convenience to auto rotate my units?

[inner ocean]

Lemme get an example

[eternal gyro]

does Eben a good TP worker if we compare with normal 30% base worker?

[normal lava]

dayum this is confusing, so ur saying lvl 2 facilities want 3* formations to auto rotate them?
But for lvl.3 1 formation (or2?) except for lvl.3 factories u needa manually handpick the ops off and on?

[queen flicker]

i recommend you watch the video first. it took me sometime to understand it but its worth

[inner ocean]

So think like.....the top row is best, I press 2nd row for the next shift. And then I press 3rd row for AH combo

So its at least.....1 click per room

But we do not press the ALL swap

If you want to have a layman term of how staggering works

[normal lava]

ah gotcha, but why not swap all?

[inner ocean]

It allows you to use 1 operator to sub for 3 other operators instead of 3

[normal lava]

doesnt the rotate button come in when morale is low or something

[inner ocean]

The issue is for some of us

[normal lava]

hur..

[inner ocean]

We do not do a sequence of 1>2>1>2 for most rooms

So we need to manually click per room instead

Heres the kicker....i wish theres more than 3 rows

But HG only allows us 3 per room

So we are restrained by it. If theres no limit, we couldve done an autoswap easily

And yeah autoswapping is also for the laziest of players since it only works for 0 morale targets

[normal lava]

I understand somewhat, I'll try watching the video, but i've seen so many videos and I could not comprehend at all.
Although learning that the auto rotate all isn't rlly adviced is prob a good take for me.

[normal lava]

I'll assume my setup is fucking garbage 🥀

[inner ocean]

Here's an example of staggering

Instead of swapping everyone

You swap per operator

This can be done......in an entire room version

[normal lava]

ah I seee, but how do I know when to manually rotate them?
Is the formation for that in 3?

• Ines + Mik
• Ines + Ch'en
• Ch'en + Mik

[inner ocean]

This....is a bigger version of staggering

[normal lava]

this feels like it would take a lot of memory

[inner ocean]

2 rooms share 1 sub team

[normal lava]

like I have to memorize which unit to swap out of it, unless the formations I just said is how u do it

[inner ocean]

Thats why we make a guide. This is mine

[normal lava]

like rotate with the button from top to bottom

[inner ocean]

I look. I click. I done

[normal lava]

💔

[inner ocean]

Once you make your own guide

You're done

No memory needed

[normal lava]

I mean..

that does sound efficient

but that also sounds like a pain in the ass to make

especially when u get new ops

ToT

[stoic spoke]

my rotation

[inner ocean]

Its effort, yeah. But it is lazy af to do. 12 hrs shifts = 2 times per day

[normal lava]

😉

[inner ocean]

Depends.....not every new operator is good for base

Hell, the latest operator that ever affects my base is Hoshi Alter

[normal lava]

I still dont have cuora and I missed out on some other ops that will be good for base, like proviso etc.

[inner ocean]

The rest after her....underwhelming

[inner ocean]

Use what you have. If you dont have a lot, you really dont have to be this sweaty

Just use good combos and thats it

[normal lava]

I'll try... I'll start working on base after my lil trip.
But after a few hours and I still cant do it, Im gonna need someone to actually hold my hand with this one 😭

Man i thought the only hard about base is the upgrading but this is a diff lvl

but tyall

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1102179559807406170/20230430_192737.gif

[normal lava]

I have a better understanding of this whole rotation thing, just gonna work on that guide thingy or whatever while also trying to understand the suggestions and whatnot

[inner ocean]

Indeed

Take your time

What you see in mine is the effort of constant improvements

[normal lava]

slide the format for this spreadsheet though lowkey ☕

[inner ocean]

And the ceiling of base efficiency

[normal lava]

cuz I dont wanna spend a certain currency for lmd and exp..

[inner ocean]

....it aint good. Its just manual.color coding and manual editing

Theres literally.....0 formulas

[normal lava]

so yeah I want the most efficient

[inner ocean]

I did that in excel because it looks clean there

[normal lava]

pssh idc, Im lazy to input all the coloring and boxing and whatnot when it comes to spreadsheet

[inner ocean]

My color coding is based on how long each operator lasts. My entire setup allows for 36 hr shifts for the best combos

This.....is not recommended

Leeway is too short and its sweaty af

Gato, recommend yours

[normal lava]

you literally suggested it awhile ago 😔

[inner ocean]

Its an example

[normal lava]

I just dont want to use my memory or effort to rotating the ops specifically everytime I go to base

thats why Im confused as to why I wouldnt swap alll rotate

[inner ocean]

If your goal is to copy mine....itll take a long while to get there....and to have alarms.....and Office lvl 1

[normal lava]

the alarms is so real lmao

[inner ocean]

Iirc

[normal lava]

but yeah fair enough

[inner ocean]

Actually no. The very reason the best bases dont use swap all is....

We use a 0 morale Lancet

Not a fucking joke

[normal lava]

whaaa

[inner ocean]

Its a weird interaction that works

[normal lava]

interesting

[inner ocean]

So previously

We cant use both Eunectes in CC

And Greyy alter in PP

Because one requires Lancet in PP

And the other requires no robots in PP

0.morale Lancet.... makes it that Lancet is in PP

[stoic spoke]

schrodinger lancet

[inner ocean]

....and 0 morale makes it so that the robot doesnt exist in PP because shes not working

1 power plant is no longer working. But the combo is so worth it for gold factory Weedy production

[normal lava]

noted

[inner ocean]

Its in pins of base combos

I recommend you skim through for fun

[jaunty notch]

use the core op's color scheme

simple enough

[inner ocean]

either way, have it. Even if there's literally 0 formula, you can at least copy the colors and formation.

[normal lava]

thank you ^ 🙏

[inner ocean]

btw

the only reason it's 12 iterations of shifts

is because I use both 36 hr shifts

and 12 hr shifts

and some at 24 hr shifts

in the end, they can only loop back after 12 iterations

if you only do 12 and 24 hr shifts, you can technically lower it to only 4 iterations before it loops back again

hell, maybe 3

[normal lava]

uhh dully noted

[inner ocean]

take it slowly

what i say may go over your head as a newbie

just do your own thing, improve slowly

and if you still hunger to improve your base

slowly upgrade it

for now, try to practice staggers

[normal lava]

but first do* I have enough base skills or should e1 or e2 anyone?

https://www.krooster.com/u/adepti_oracle

[inner ocean]

it keeps your dorms less busy

[inner ocean]

use who you have raised

as for E2ing for base....

it depends, are you finished raising everyone you need gameplay-wise?

if so, go ahead

the base is supplementary to your gameplay needs

so that's always a priority

[normal lava]

look at my roster I think so? lol
I mean I have some pretty op units in there so I should be fine content-wise.. at least for now.
I am planning to try IS soon

and I want a good income from base to do modules and raise more lower units

• lvl up my own units

[inner ocean]

so right now, just create base combos on what you have

and prioritize who you need in IS

[normal lava]

mm gotcha

Also if u got any suggested vids slide

[inner ocean]

someone here shared PeterYR's stagger video

I suggest you watch his'

[normal lava]

can I just place another formation and rotate to switch out the specific unit for stagger?

I rather do that than* nitpick the unit

[jaunty notch]

peter's stuff is also pinned here

[queen flicker]

yes but for lvl 3 facilities you would need 4 presets. like for example this. but game only allows 3 presets

[normal lava]

uhgg pain

[queen flicker]

so you would have to add a fifth operator like this

[normal lava]

ohhh

smart alr

[queen flicker]

it's explained in the peter video

[normal lava]

yeah currently watching it

[queen flicker]

well that part is more about morale and leeway but i guess it applies to presets and formations. btw if i'm wrong someone step in, i'm still learning

[inner ocean]

fucking 3 shift limit

some of my shifts in a single room sometimes go up to 5

due to single subbing or more with AH squad (depending on the shift loop)

also the point of staggering is 2-fold

(single-ops-staggering): you get to keep the best ops in the room longer; or
(entire-team-combo-staggering): you get to use the best sub for 2-3 rooms and avoid using a weaker 2nd sub team

while keeping the dorm less busy

[normal lava]

is this good for reception

Also I think this is the best I can do for control center

and this is how im suppose to use dorm skilled units right? and lock makes sure that they stay in the dorm?

[gleaming fossil]

Yes, though you only want maximum one, and for X/X/2 setups, you should have 12 hour shifts which means they aren't strictly necessary. If you aren't putting too many people into the dorms at once, they can give you more wiggle room to forget to swap "on time", but you can drop them as needed to get extra recovery slots for rotations that put more people in dorms

[normal lava]

gotcha

[gleaming fossil]

Gladiia doesn't really do anything unless you have all four Abyssal Hunters (Skadi, Ulpianus, Specter, Andreana), and even then she doesn't fit neatly into a normal rotation schedule

[jaunty notch]

she's a smiley kinda

so it's fine to put her in CC

[gleaming fossil]

Oh, that's true, I forgot her Group Hunting added that

[normal lava]

hows this

and this

am I doing the staggering right? xx

[gleaming fossil]

At a fundamental level, yes. I think those rotations look okay given your roster. For the first one, you can "streamline" it a bit by not swapping out Gitano for Tequila, saving you an op. For the second, keep Catapult in the third lineup and drop Midnight.

My understanding of Tequila is he isn't worth it over the raw % boost from others unless you have something like Exu1 + Lemuen for +80%, but he ideally wants Bibeak + ShamareE2 to synergize with his ability.

[normal lava]

ooo thx

[gleaming fossil]

For staggering, the goal is to have Ops work for 24 hours, and then rest for 12. Doing individual swaps for 3 man teams (which is appropriate given your roster) makes it so you need to swap out two at some point.

[normal lava]

do I need alarms for staggering

[gleaming fossil]

Actually, you could even do Adnachiel in the third line up

[normal lava]

uhh hmm

[gleaming fossil]

Depends on how diligent you are. I don't use alarms, as I play when I wake up before I get out of bed so I swap then, and then I swap once after I get home from work.

[normal lava]

hmm ok..

[normal lava]

wait so keep gitano on the second one instead of tequila?

[jaunty notch]

12h is subjective

it's not a definite time

you are free to have some leeway, given operators' morale ofc

different rotation styles/teams also allow more leeway

[gleaming fossil]

Tequila's effective boost to LMD trading is pretty low, which is why he needs support from Shamare to make it work properly. Shamare cancels out his very low "technical" increase, and Bibeak or Kafka make him more effective.

[normal lava]

damn i have to consider my schedule for this

[normal lava]

ohh..

my two lvl.2 factories should be for exp right? while my lvl.3 factories should be for Gold

[gleaming fossil]

Pin 2 (Base Productivity Calculations) has rotations that use only 4*s, so you could look at that for your layout and first set it up to best mirror that, and then see where your better ops can replace ones in that sheet

[normal lava]

ok, i'll send results of my formations on factories soon

[versed helm]

i've been told to downgrade my dorms to 1 and change 1 power plant to factory
but i would like help for the actual character rotations too, is there a way to share what i'm currently using besides just sending a million screenshots?

[normal lava]

I cooked with this one

[normal lava]

yes downgrade dorms, remove one power plant for factory

[versed helm]

nvm ignore that

what about character formations?

[normal lava]

@gleaming fossil hows this for a lvl.2 factory

[normal lava]

😬 im having troubles with those myself 😔

[versed helm]

ah-

[gleaming fossil]

You want to swap one at a time, ideally. Not sure if E0 Feater has higher than Vigna, so use whoever is higher, but:

Trag +FL
Trag + Feater (swap)
Feater + FL (swap)

[normal lava]

gotcha

[normal lava]

also vigna and feater are the same value

[gleaming fossil]

Exception to this is if a combo is required. Miss Christine only gets her E2 production buff while with Tragodia, so then you would conisder swapping both out at the same time, assuming it was your highest combo.

[normal lava]

oh i didnt know that :^

I do intend to get her e2 for the funny

but idk

@gleaming fossil based off from the last one I did the same for this one for my lvl.2 facts

[gleaming fossil]

Yeah, that's perfect

Actually, wait, I lied - you can swap Ptilo for Vigna so Ptilo can be used elsewhere

[normal lava]

I had a bit of trouble with this one 🤔

[gleaming fossil]

I got bamboozled because I use Silence and Ptilo in my base at the same time for Muelsyse

[normal lava]

oh

[gleaming fossil]

Honestly, it likely would have been just fine to do that, but swapping Vigna in for Ptilo's slot frees up Ptilo to be used elsewhere if she's stronger than another one

(Also, I think Vigna will have a stronger % for EXP)

[normal lava]

no ur right ima do that

[normal lava]

anyways what u think of this one

[gleaming fossil]

Replace Totter in the first one with Kroos; Kroos takes time to ramp up to 25%, so you want her working as long as possible before swapping her out.

Otherwise I think it looks good

[normal lava]

ok

[gleaming fossil]

It's also beneficial to limit Totter's work time because he scales down

[normal lava]

noted

[gleaming fossil]

Once you shift him out for the third team he will sadly be down to 15%

But I think for your roster, he's perfectly serviceable until you find a replacement

[normal lava]

last one i think for factories, i feel like I should replace vanilla for the red hair girl

Alanna

[gleaming fossil]

Who do you have in your Power Plants?

[gleaming fossil]

Alanna can only ever offer you 10% max at E0 (20% at E2) because she looks at the number of robots in PPs, so I'd look to replace her ASAP

[normal lava]

tad bit limited in that

[normal lava]

oh..

these two give 15%

[gleaming fossil]

Yep, those would be better to swap in!

[normal lava]

or could these be better? or is the skill poo

[gleaming fossil]

Generally, you want Productivity % more than anything else, especially for where your roster is at. The +Cap abilities can be decent, but if you have a higher raw % boost, use that instead.

[normal lava]

ohh okay

[gleaming fossil]

Later, you can look at running the Vermeil team, where Vermeil gets 2% productivity per +Cap increase. So Vermeil + Tragodia + E2 Miss Christine would be a powerful combo for you, since you have both Trag and Miss C, and Vermeil will come in time.

[normal lava]

wait then shouldnt I place tequila on the second formation and catapult on the third/adnachiel third..?

[gleaming fossil]

You don't want to use Tequila at all

[normal lava]

oh I placed vermeil here 😓

[normal lava]

ah gotcha

[gleaming fossil]

Yeah, that's great!

[normal lava]

wait do I replace midnight with catapult or adnachiel

nvm I can keep catapult plus she has higher efficiency

Aight now that im done with trade posts + factories

What do you think with these last touch ups?
Office -> Reception -> Control Center

[gleaming fossil]

I think one thing you have to be cautious of here is how many ops you're swapping into your dorms vs maximizing your raw %.

Gummy, Midnight, and Quartz are all 30% or higher, but you're swapping three ops at the same time going from Shift 2 > 3 and also from Shift 3 >1

[normal lava]

oh shit ur right...

ahgg fp wqpq fq.

[gleaming fossil]

This is where I'd use the spreadsheet in pin 5 to check who is going into the dorm each time

[normal lava]

😩

[gleaming fossil]

I had to spend a fair amount of time figuring out the right places to maximize % vs optimizing my dorm load.

[normal lava]

I completely forgot about dorm capacity for these, holy shii

my whole base is on pause so I could rest all my units, this is hurting meee

[gleaming fossil]

Yep. Having just swapped to X/X/2 recently, it requires way more set up and planning, but you get more productivity afterward.

2/4/3 gets you less productivity, but requires basically no planning other than "Hey, these guys work well together"

[normal lava]

hm ok

[gleaming fossil]

It might be a bit of a chore, but that spreadsheet in pin 5 is really good for experimenting with who goes where because it will calculate the percents for you without you needing to constantly refer back and forth.

If you know roughly who you want to use (just look at your current loadouts, they're a good starting point), you can mix and match in that spreadsheet to optimize who rotates when so your dorms aren't overwhelmed.

[normal lava]

1st Rotation -> 2nd Rotation

factory 1 = 3 rest
factory 2 = 2 rest -> 2 rest
factory 3 = 3 rest
factory 4 = 1 rest
factory 5 = 1 rest -> 1 rest

trading post 1 = 1 rest -> 2 rest
trading post 2 = 1 rest -> 3 rest

x2 power plants = 1 rest
office = 1 rest

Control Center + Reception, shouldnt matter tooo much I think

This is what im thinking

not sure if its accurate

[normal lava]

i dont understand a bit, but also I see theres silence alter e2 should I get her and e2 her? worth?

[gleaming fossil]

No. Outside of a very few exceptional cases (Proviso, for example), it is never worth it to E2 an op for the base unless you are a whale and no resource matters. If you E2d Texas just for her base skill, it would take approximately 60 years for the increase she gets at E2 to pay for the upgrade.

And in regular gameplay Silence the Paradigmatic is...niche at best, let's say

[normal lava]

darn alright

[versed helm]

if i'm doing 252, do i even get enough rooms to get this?

does workshop/office/training room count for it?

[normal lava]

they do but like, upgrading ur factories/ trading post and power plant is enough

and which is what u need

[versed helm]

gotcha

[normal lava]

also based off from this, I think I can do it with the current setup I made, shoullddd work.

If it fucks up, im gonna punch a tree

[gleaming fossil]

Honestly, I think you've been working on this for long enough that it's time to set it in motion and see how it goes

[normal lava]

@gleaming fossil also is it worth keeping the ops that buffs dorm stuff in there locked?

[normal lava]

word ✊

[gleaming fossil]

Yes and no!

IF you are NOT running into space issues, it will speed recovery speed up by a noticeable amount (compared to a max level dorm).

If you ARE running into space issues, you can easily just take them out so you can fit in more ops.

My 2/5/2 dorms look like this, and I consider Iris, Virtuosa, and Lumen to be "flex" slots for when I need to rest someone who does training or material production.

[normal lava]

ooo ok ok, thank you so much c:

oh well thats unfortunate, my exualter is in training room, thought it would let me

[gleaming fossil]

Mind you, I didn't share my full 2/5/2 with you because it uses a lot of comps and rotations that aren't useful to you at this point. It will be hard for you to look at a more veteran player's set up to understand how to make it work because it will use a ton of stuff you don't have.

[normal lava]

fair enough

[gleaming fossil]

Definitely something to consider: If you are mastering a skill, that op is locked in there for the duration. That's...actually not something I've really thought about in regards to my rotation yet

[normal lava]

😓

welp time to download arknights on my phone to get notifications

[versed helm]

erm

i have a problem

my dormitories are all at 1, i can't make them weaker

and both power plants are maxed

[normal lava]

you need power plant up to increase the power capacity to upgrade facilities

[normal lava]

either add another power plant or downgrade unnecessary levels on a facility

[versed helm]

...

[normal lava]

what lvl is required for facilities to upgrade ur center?

if its lvl 2

downgrade the lvl.3's

for lvl.2

[normal lava]

and then just reupgrade them back

[versed helm]

i need to get level 5

[normal lava]

no biggie

[normal lava]

ah..

welp go get another power plant :D

at least for now

till u upgrade whatever u needed

[versed helm]

yea nah

fuck this

staying on242 forever

[normal lava]

ur gonna want 252 asap, its a hassle but it'll be worth it

[versed helm]

like, i want to use the "more efficient" yet now you are telling me the other is required to get the upgrade first

[normal lava]

at least what im told

[versed helm]

i SWAPPED to 252

that's the thing

i WAS at 243 until now

and was told to swap

[normal lava]

well mb ig..? Its no biggie, just be patient with it, its just simple upgrades and u get resource back except drones

but if desperate u can spend sanity to recover the drones

[versed helm]

i just wanna be done with the base building, and focus on story again

been standing still at chapter 5 for like 3 weeks just because events and stuff keep arriving

[normal lava]

its gonna be more than that later, but dw you'll be fine

[normal lava]

yeah ig thats just how it is, especially in terms of upcoming banners lol

[versed helm]

question tho

once i DO get that hated 252

what's the craftings i should be making?

2 gold and 3 exp?

[normal lava]

3 gold 2 exp

its changeable to ur needs tho

[gleaming fossil]

2 Gold, 2 EXP, 1 Flex is the "standard" I see a lot of times.

I balanced mine for LMD production, so I run 3 Gold/2 EXP, because I have a lot of EXP and don't raise a lot of units.

From what I've seen people mention, you run 3 EXP until you have gold bar problems, then you run 3 gold until you no longer have gold bar problems, assuming droning the gold factories won't solve your issue.

[versed helm]

ok

so

what the fuck

i don't get it

i did as i was told

now shouldn't i be able to max out factories and trading posts, but keep dormitories at 1?

i find myself unable to upgrade factories now

do i need to have trading posts at 2..?

[rigid plume]

No.

If you did, you leave ONE TP in Lv2.

And another at Lv3.

So you will have Fac Lv2.

[versed helm]

i wasn't told that

so basically

lower 1 TP

so i can upgrade factories to 2

yea nah i'm switching back to 243

helps the cleanliness of it all and avoids me the headache

[spring plover]

is this good?

im running 252

i dont really have all of the operators with good base skills yet

i only have like 5 of the ones in /baseskill

[ivory lodge]

it's ok if you don't have proviso

[spring plover]

is she a 3,4,5 or 6 star

cause i dont have her

[ivory lodge]

5*

[spring plover]

ah

how much does she

[gleaming fossil]

I think you're doing okay, given that. From what I understand, if you have a full complement of 4*s you can hit 40k per day.

[spring plover]

improve lmd gain

[spring plover]

alr

als

also

[ivory lodge]

quite a lot

[spring plover]

like

50%, 2x or smth else

[ivory lodge]

just read her base skill

[spring plover]

alr

oh damn thats good

almost doubles lmd gain

[gleaming fossil]

If you put her in a level 2 trading post, you get nothing but 2000 and 2500 orders.

[spring plover]

and level 3?

[gleaming fossil]

You can get 1500, 2000, and 2500

For a 2/5/2 setup (especially with maxed right), you can upgrade a factory for downgrading a TP, which is considered worth it

[spring plover]

my right side isnt maxxed

only thing thats off on the right side is that uh

level 1 reception level 2 hr office

instead of level 2 reception level 1 hr office

[gleaming fossil]

I don't really know the breakpoints for where a level 3 is better than a level 2, but X/X/2 setups are the ones that are recommended to use a level 2 TP over a level 3.

If you run the default 2/4/3 or 3/3/3, then you just max everything. Per the Base Combos guide.

[spring plover]

oh alr

i was just following the

/base guide

[gleaming fossil]

But yeah, Proviso is one of the very few operators whose E2 promotion pays for itself very easily

[spring plover]

in #bot-spam

[spring plover]

alr

if i do manage to pull her i should focus on her e2 first right

[gleaming fossil]

Just be aware she sees...basically no usage in regular gameplay, so if you're still building your roster up, it's fine to leave her at E0 or E1 while you work on combat capabilities

[spring plover]

my roster’s fine rn

got 2 e2 ops

everyone else is e1 level 30-40

[gleaming fossil]

Personally, I still would prioritize combat units you think you'll use for a good while, but if you aren't struggling, then it comes down to preference. The earlier you E2 her, the faster you

I see base optimization as a more end-game activity because of how it relies on E2s and a larger roster, so I would caution against going super hard in the paint on it while you're still clearing story and building an entire squad of E2 units. Strike a good balance, in other words.

Opinions will vary, of course; I'm sure some or several would disagree with my appraisal there. If you value long-term gains over short term (potential) struggling, going hard on it could be worth it to you.

[odd echo]

I always figured proviso wasn't worth the headache of learning her mechanic for a 2-4-3 base but I had a 5-star auto-e2 ticket kicking around to use on her and... wow

I'm gonna be rich

[mint stratus]

i would like help improving my base.
please fix my proviso team in particular
base is 252. right side max. my krooster roster is in my discord about me.

my current base combos
all operators are elite2 unless stated otherwise
reception room: amiya, ash, blitz e1, frost e1, tachanka e1
factory 1 (gold): gravel, haze OR mayer, ptilopsis (prod +.65, .55)
factory 2 (exp): frostleaf, castle-3 e0 OR feater, conviction e1 OR shirayuki, vigna (prod +.6, .7, .6)
factory 3 (gold): spot, bryophyta e0, silence alter OR mizuki, vanilla e1, steward e1 (prod +.9, .75)
factory 4 (exp): ceobe, beanstalk, vermeil OR mizuki, vanilla e1, steward e1 (prod +.83??, .75)
factory 5 (exp): equivalent to factory 2
trading post 1: shamare, tequila, bibeak OR lappland, texas, exusiai (prod +.97, .1??)
trading post 2: mr nothing e1, proviso OR snowsant, croissant (prod +.19??, .75,)
power plant 1: goldenglow OR lava alter (prod +.2, .2)
power plant 2: liskarm OR greyy (prod +.2, .2)
office: penance OR eyjafjalla (prod +.5, .45)

[gleaming fossil]

Mr. Nothing is...doing Nothing there...isn't he? He requires WP, and only gives 20% by himself. You need multiple other operators to supercharge him for that specific combo, including several Suis.

You'd be better off running Quartz E1 (who you can get for Red Certs), who gets 34% in your base.

Since you have Mulberry, you could put her in HR to give an extra +20 WP if your Office is level 3

That would bring Mr. Nothing up to 40%, and be better than Quartz

[mint stratus]

yeah i noticed today but i think i could use him with 5 sui. but the wordly plights system is too complicated for me so i need help.

[gleaming fossil]

Pin 4 is a spreadsheet that has the Mr. Nothing WP team details in the Special sheet

The basics are run Dusk/Ling/Chong Yue in the CC, Mulberry in HR, and then put another Sui in the Workshop and training room to boost CY's WP generation

[mint stratus]

what is CY?

[gleaming fossil]

Chong Yue

(Also, since you have Saileach, put her in CC to boost Mulberry's performance)

[mint stratus]

ok i can do that.
ill put dusk, ling, chong yue, amiya, saileach in CC then.

every team member rotates out together every 12h right? idk if i can keep track if rotations arent together.

looks like proviso team prod went from .019 to .074 with those changes.

changed ceobe, beanstalk, vermeil (exp) to vermeil, pallas, ceobe (exp)
prod went from .83 to .93

should i promote scene from e1 to e2 for that .08 improvement over ceobe?

[normal lava]

OH THAT, I was trying to find that, where do u go for that page?

[mint stratus]

base -> control center -> RIIC assistant

[normal lava]

Ohh, bitch why cant they make that its own icon to enter outside of center 😔

Thx

[mint stratus]

sure
its a base summary. isnt it fine?

[normal lava]

Its whatevs lowkey

[mint stratus]

cost of promoting scene
3 t3 supporter chips -> 6 t2 chips, 3 catalyst = 672+3135 = 837
9 t4 white horse kohl -> 9 t3 kohl, sugar, rma = 9(0+21.61+36.03) = ~519
12 t3 maganese -> free
SUM = 837+519 = 1356 sanity = 4.7days
1.08^x = 4.7
x = 20.1 days to break even with cost and improvement

idk if thats worth. probably is.

well ping me if my math is wrong

[mint stratus]

is it worth it to combine the worldy plights team with the rosmontis/ebenholz team? proviso's best partner is mr nothing so i dont see how it would be worth?
the sheet says choose btwn mr nothing/ebenholz and whisperain/mulberry. does that mean theyre on rotation or one team is better?

[frank cipher]

pick your poison tp or fac

[odd echo]

also u get her paradox simulation so that's something

[frank cipher]

tp come with extra mr

ideally run both if enough tp slot

[mint stratus]

thats nothing bro 💀
thats worth like 14 sanity

but im spending 1356

[odd echo]

yeah but you get to fight a boss in hers
gacha players when they unlock gameplay

[mint stratus]

dont troll me 😭 i need a mathematician in here.

[odd echo]

hey 14 sanity is 14 sanity, if you're doing the math anyway put it in!

[mint stratus]

what does this mean

[frank cipher]

assuming office lvl3, both wp/pi can reach 60% without needed mul/wis if you have both eben/nothing(tp) running at same time

[mint stratus]

uh what is wp/pi? idk what that is.
yes office lv3

[gleaming fossil]

Worldly Plight and Perception Information.

Mr. Nobody cares about Worldly Plight, while Rosmontis cares about Perception Information.

[mint stratus]

is the team proviso+mr nothing+ebenholz? i have a TP lv2 and TP lv3
whats the ideal TP, FAC, PP level distribution?

my right side is maxed so i dont think i can do that

[mint stratus]

my TP teams are

yeah shes e2

[mint stratus]

but im confused about how i could have both mr nothing and ebenholz running with proviso in separate TP with a 252 base
so one TP is proviso and mr nothing, the other base is ebenholz and 2 others?

oh wait. am i supposed to run proviso permanently using fiammeta and swap mr nothing/ebenholz?

[mint stratus]

ig this would make more sense bc i think proviso only affects her own TP

[fleet wolf]

nothing and eben together is with cursed proviso; putting prov in before order ends

[orchid kettle]

hi i have a question regarding Bibeak's position in the shamare trading post build

specifically compared to her substitutes

does she actually perform better than others with the same skill? (diamante, kafka, etc)

also i noticed the google sheets doesnt mention Mitm either even though he has the same skill

basically im running a shamare build but i only have Mitm and i was wondering if its worth it to spend 40 gold certs and replace mitm with bibeak

for reference my mitm is still e0

[wind orbit]

bibeak diamante and kafka has same skill

[orchid kettle]

im aware about that

just this part intrigued me

bibeak is higher than others with the same skill?

[wind orbit]

idk much about it, just wait the expert..

[orchid bane]

other there mean everyone, (maybe not someone like E2 Pepe , or other bibeak skill)

[wind orbit]

ah, mitm has weaker skill bcs it states: slightly

[orchid bane]

You need someone there to add 45% to Shamere

[orchid kettle]

oh

[wind orbit]

meanwhile bibeak diamante kafka's skills are upgraded on thier e2

[orchid kettle]

so like

[orchid kettle]

wait i think i have diamante

[wind orbit]

yea diamante is from red cert

[orchid kettle]

ok so if i e2 diamante and use him as a substitute

it would yield the same result with bibeak e2?

[orchid bane]

She is 600 voucher so ....

[orchid kettle]

yeah the wording caught me offguard here

oh i mean i actually got him from the shop already

[orchid bane]

Oh

"He'

[orchid kettle]

yea so it doesnt matter right whether i use bibeak or kafka or diamante

they all yield same result

(just not mitm)

[wind orbit]

mitm just have weaker skill, and e2 mitm doesn't help anyway (bcs shamare cancel those % to 0)

[orchid kettle]

ok thank u

[deep fjord]

Hello. I checked my rotation for three days. I need to know if it is still bad or still needs improvement.

I averaged 59k LMD after 3 days, with 28 exp cards and 110 gold produced. In 3 rotations, I drone TP twice and Gold once. Am I doing something wrong?

I recently changed to 2-5-2 from 2-4-3. So I really don't know what I'm doing wrong

[sleek citrus]

is there any point in putting in operators in empty facility slots if they dont have the affiliated skills? I swore i remember hearing something about it.

[frank cipher]

90k daily + 110 gold definitely on high output, next improve probably need micro/e2 op but you're doing opposite wrong

[sacred latch]

any idea on how to build the new base.. i have currently this setup

no expansions

[deep fjord]

Soo... I have max right. I believe it should be lower than max output

[sacred latch]

rest

[frank cipher]

bruh put those 10% 15% or 0% with mr, if l don't have suck fine

[frank cipher]

ik your gold 124 or exp 34 if not MR, can get 1 of those if run best combo

[frank cipher]

activity room doesn't effect main build, max all of them if you want for trust farm

[deep fjord]

124? 34? MR? is this Mh?

Sorry, not really that fluent with this

[frank cipher]

gold income

exp income

mr max right

[narrow valve]

Is there anything im missing with this, everyone is e2 but effiency only +97%

[deep fjord]

Thnx, will be improving my TP more for higher gold/exp gain

[mint stratus]

thats the optimal shamare combo.
and that number isnt accurate. it only shows direct increase.

btw check first pin. theres a google sheet for baseline lmd, exp production for maxed right 252.

[fluid pollen]

Team has hidden efficiency. That number just comes from Shamare’s 45%x2 + 7% TP efficiency CC skill, doesn’t take into account Teq base skill.

[mint stratus]

also you should consider degrading a trading post to lv2 and running a proviso combo since youre running 252.

[narrow valve]

Still missing proviso from roster

[mint stratus]

sorry edited for correction

[narrow valve]

So im just doing tequila combo in one and the jaye combo in other one