r-i-i-c

[valid storm]

And limited space is never a problem

You can create a 35k+ design in a single dorm

Just look at this masterpiece

[west tapir]

Come on, this is the 7th clue 1 obtained since the other day.
I think im stuck on clue 1

[plush hill]

Does anyone have the best team combinations for 252 max right side? I was using 243 since launch and only decided to change to 252 without realizing maxing the right side is less than optimal.

please help, I do not want to wait for drones to get it back to 243

[jaunty notch]

pin link 4 > info > sample rotations

[plush hill]

thx

[jaunty notch]

you can also look at the combos and work around your roster as well

[spare pivot]

am I using proviso wrong or wah

[valid storm]

Are you using her?

[spare pivot]

Yes

[valid storm]

Is she E2?

[spare pivot]

[spare pivot]

no

[valid storm]

then you are using her wrong

she has to be E2

[spare pivot]

ahh, I'll save up for her then

[spare pivot]

E2ing lemon and apprualter bricked my resources

[valid storm]

E2 Provisio provides more than anyone else. Except for E2 Breeze

[swift token]

I've been wondering if maybe its better for me todo 153 cause right now im 243 max right and I always end up just droning gold to keep up with proviso and the only time I have excess gold is when I get some during events/monthly refresh

So I was thinking of switching to 153 and just keep droning proviso, I wonder if that will give me more

[valid storm]

No idea, but when I drone gold, I produce more than what she eats

[leaden grove]

If you log in at least 2x a day then just do 252. Else 153 can be good for gold and exp deficit.

243 can’t really keep up 🚬

[swift token]

I can still do 252 with max right ?

What do you mean 153 defect?

[leaden grove]

Of course, max right doesn’t matter, just makes it a bit worse, though better than 243 still

[valid storm]

252 MR still produces more than 153

[leaden grove]

Deficit, autocorrect

[swift token]

@leaden grove okay I've seen the 252 conversation video that seems to be alot of work, downgrade dorms plus not max fac meaning I have to rotate/login more?

What about the difference between 243 and 153 who wins?

[leaden grove]

The one in pins? It’s literally 80 seconds 🥹

With 252 you only need to log in roughly twice a day, every 12 hours or so is fine

I mean 243 vs 153 is pretty straightforward. Extra factory for gold or exp with less demand for gold. Good if you have crazy exp/gold issue…. Which is mostly solved by 252

[swift token]

Im okay with login twice a day

The alot of work I was talking about is redoing all my team setup in auto rotation

Wait I still dont get it, so is 243 or 153 better?
I know 252 is best

[leaden grove]

If you can live with less lmd, 153 will give you lots of exp and gold

243 will have gold issue or exp issue. Unless you use all your drones on them, which is less efficient

[swift token]

Yep that was the problem I was having, I always have to keep droning gold to keep up with proviso and only get excess if I get it thru events/shop, thats why I was thinking of turning other TP to fac and just drone proviso but it will probably more or less the same maybe I check it out before pivoting to 252

[leaden grove]

Droning proviso or shamare team is more efficient, so ideally you set your base up in a way that allows for that

I knew someone who refused to do 2 power plant setup for stupid reasons

And they had to switch between 153 and 243 to stockpile gold

Kept doing this, all the while complaining that proviso was “account damage”

[valid storm]

I refuse to switch setups, I stick to 243

[leaden grove]

Well that’s fine, this person frequently made arguments about it tho

[swift token]

That's also a nice idea but seems like unlimited work better to just one and done 252 work

What are the downside of downgrading dorms anyways?

[leaden grove]

Not much. Even lvl 1 recovers full moral in less than 12 hours. A couple of skills rely on dorm levels, so those are dead. But those skills weren’t very impactful anyway

[swift token]

What about the trust rooms on the right, they are also affected by dorms?

[leaden grove]

No, those aren’t iirc, just trust from dorms

[arctic prism]

if lmd < exp, switch to 252
if exp < lmd, switch to 153

optimized 252 max right outputs lmd and exp in roughly a 2:1 ~ 2.5:1 ratio
optimized 153 outputs roughly 1:1.2 ~ 1:1 ratio

in terms of raw combined output (lmd + xp), 252 max right still generates more than 153 by a small amount. it's also worth noting that 153 is higher effort than 252 MR (more frequent rotations) if you want to try to match the raw output of 252.

it's up to you to decide which is more worth for you

just speaking from my own calculations + personal experience of having used both for several years

for me personally I started with 153 to get a stockpile of xp then switched over to 252 for a few years to get a massive stockpile of lmd (>20M) and then switched back to 153
will switch back when I run out of lmd which is also going to take several years

it's also worth noting that your ideal lmd : xp ratio varies from person to person depending on what exactly you're trying to do.
for me my current main priority is max leveling everyone so my ratio is closer to 1:1
if your priority is promotions, masteries, modules, etc your ratio will be higher. I've heard 1.4:1 being ideal in general case? but uncertain how accurate that is

as for 243 it's just straight up worse than 252, no arguments to be had there
can refer to this for rough calculations

[swift token]

Thank you for all the detailed info
I will review this thoroughly before making my decision
This really helps alot~!

[arctic prism]

np! sorry if i rambled a bit there, got excited bc that specific situation is essentially my area of expertise lmao

[swift token]

no worries I like detailed ramble
maybe I can ask you in the future if there is something im unsure of once I make the switch or the changes to my team setup

[rose knoll]

It's closer to a 1.2 : 1 lmd:exp ratio for maxing out units, slightly higher if you get modules too (or if you dont quite max things out)

I made this graph as an experiment some time ago, based on scifi's old low-end calcs
https://peteryr.github.io/ak-base-chart/test_scifi.html

Adjusting 252 output almost perfectly fits all typical demand ratios

[arctic prism]

did you make a high end version of this one by any chance?

[rose knoll]

high end calcs are harder, mostly because low-end hasn't really changed for years while we get new high-end skills more often (and they're more complicated to calc)

but we're working on it

@jaunty notch

[arctic prism]

lmao ok tyty

also i guess for high end there isnt really a clear boundary on how sweaty you make the rotation?

i guess you can still just lock it to 12 hr rots just feels bad leaving out gladiia and curse

[spare pivot]

[pale yoke]

free public service

[simple jasper]

@torn meteor ngl, I didnt expect that rearranging the base ops (and adding proviso) would have THAT massive of a difference

[torn meteor]

yeah uh proviso is a little strong

heres what mine looks like

my 68000 lmd per day is mostly the fact i own fia so i can make proviso work around the clock

[simple jasper]

[torn meteor]

i swapped my base to 252 on the 13th

[pale yoke]

another one fall for the propaganda

[simple jasper]

though I dont think I can sustainably maintain proviso fulltime XD She's tipped the scales a tad and now I'm slowly bleeding gold. gotta mostly use my drones to stay gold solvent

[torn meteor]

i mean when that happens you just switch an exp factory to gold

its easier to not hemorrhage gold tho if you are on 252

if you give me a sec i'll grab my base details for you

(power plants are just goldenglow greyyalt then phonor lancet for teams)

[torn meteor]

i dont bother using slots in my CC for filler since i have all the relevant skills i own there anyway and i need to align my gnosis rotation with the jaye trading post and the pudding rotation with my robots in power plant so theres just no point in extending my CC time

and also it makes it harder to manage dorms

i need to prob introduce more staggered rotations to make that easier but i dont have enough workers to stagger it the way i want to

[simple jasper]

[torn meteor]

ideally i would introduce staggered rotations to the lvl3 exp factory and my weedy factory but i dont own enough pieces for those

if i had shamare i would use fia to run the tequila trading post and the proviso trading post around the clock but alas i dont

i could prob stagger RR pretty easily

theres prob something i can do to stagger my CC too but thatll have to wait til i stop using the jaye trading post

[simple jasper]

seems now that my lmd troubles are gonna be more or less solved. just gonna need to farm the records stages from now on to keep up with the money printer

[pale yoke]

what training does to my base

[spare pivot]

[torn meteor]

huh

[pale yoke]

[spare pivot]

[pale yoke]

[torn meteor]

my dumb ass doesnt get how training would affect this

[spare pivot]

is there anymore dumb emoji?

[torn meteor]

wrong server but

[spare pivot]

anyone got the upcoming event SS? I'm trying to find it

[pale yoke]

need to rest trainer + mats maker + no room for rotation in TR

[spare pivot]

it kinda itches me that you aren't swapping the full morale OPs before taking the pic

[pale yoke]

i...dont understand that statement

[wind otter]

those are workers

[spare pivot]

the 5 full morale OPs

[spare pivot]

Not the locked ones

[torn meteor]

the only full morale op there that doesnt have a dorm skill that helps others is penance

[spare pivot]

Ohh

[pale yoke]

[spare pivot]

Time to use the Im a newbie

[torn meteor]

wait i lied penance does have a helpful dorm skill

i was mixing her dorm skill up with ethan for some reason

[spare pivot]

I did some math, I found that if I scrape everything, I'll need 15 gold certs to get ines

[pale yoke]

peak resting behavior

[spare pivot]

so kinda tempted to do a 10x pull before ines goes out

[spare pivot]

[wind otter]

you may get more gold from recruitment, don't rush it

[spare pivot]

I have yet to reach that state of base gameplay, I just rotato twice per day, put 19 OPs into dorm and log out

[torn meteor]

is it actually work using dorm workers for this tho? wouldnt it be faster to just have more ops in dorm that need morale?

[spare pivot]

okay okay

[wind otter]

daily free pull

[torn meteor]

dorm workers make sense when you dont have a fuck ton of ops in brazil

[pale yoke]

brazil

[pale yoke]

it's about priority, the others are low priority rest so they can wait
fac worker rest up faster = more prod

[torn meteor]

ahhh

[pale yoke]

just to clarify my rotation is not for the faint hearted

[torn meteor]

oh god its one of THOSE

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

my head still hurts just trying to put it on paper

[spare pivot]

The game gave me 5 7s, might as well cook up 10 7 and give it someone

[torn meteor]

i should ask is it ever worth using dorm skills that dont affect productivity outside of those scary ass rotations?

[spare pivot]

[pale yoke]

yes
unless you log in once every 12hr etc then no need for dorm mom

just anyone in

[spare pivot]

[wind otter]

like she needed to ask

[spare pivot]

[torn meteor]

i see i shall keep that in mind

[pale yoke]

Add and send please

when you collected 10 that is

[spare pivot]

what did zyf do?

[pale yoke]

he always in needs of clue 7

[spare pivot]

also don't want him to send me clue 7 in bulk

[pale yoke]

[spare pivot]

[torn meteor]

i should ask are we allowed to talk about CN base skills here

[pale yoke]

just talk about it no one cares

[wind otter]

if Zyf is gifted clue 7, that means he has another clue 7 to give because he doesn't even need 1 to keep for himself

[spare pivot]

wait, you can share gifted clues?

[pale yoke]

i dont think zyf care to complete clue exchange he just making 7 to pollute the pool

[wind otter]

[spare pivot]

aw

[pale yoke]

omg CN future feature leaked, must be insider

[spare pivot]

[spare pivot]

oh shit red

[orchid bane]

Wish I could, there are some "about to expire " zyf's certain clues

[spare pivot]

wwould be funny

zyf gifting everyone clue 7

and everyone's inv filled with it

trying to pass it to one another

[pale yoke]

zyf a ||menace|| best doc i ever know

[spare pivot]

[spare pivot]

fr

[torn meteor]

ok so what do we think about the new 4star's factory skill? im thinking they prob arent in any optimal bases but for something not completely high end maybe like staggering in the purestream weedy factory?

[pale yoke]

terrible

nothing worthy in cn latest batch

[torn meteor]

damn here i was hoping my poor ass would have an excuse to stall building more higher rarity ops

[pale yoke]

need to work her into a lv3 fac for full automation, basically bending out of shape to make a 30% good

it's outright horrendous

and 30% is no where to be consider good in the first place

we are in the 35% norm era

[torn meteor]

yeah thats true

although we still dont have THAT MANY factory workers that are 35s in factory, its basically automation, metalwork, vermeil(scene pallas), then pinus silvestris

[pale yoke]

well 35 is the minimum
we have way higher team comp available

aroma waifu gravel purestream 4xAH rosmontis 3xpinus etc

it's plenty enough to fill what available slot we have

automation weedy at 75%

[torn meteor]

the problem with 4xAH is its very labor intensive like that shit only lasts like 5 hours

[pale yoke]

6/7hr but yes

that is true

[torn meteor]

oop exact numbers were off but yeah we dont have so many 35+ ops that 30s arent still worth considering

outside of like fully optimal bases i mean

[pale yoke]

yea i can see that, especially if you use the "auto rotate" system

[torn meteor]

personally i dont want to do anything much more labor intensive than using fia to maintain 3 ops

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-arturia-arturia-virtuosa-cat-breakdance-gif-10041680275404298311

[wind otter]

oh shit, not again, I wasn't paying attention to base

[torn meteor]

god i hate that dead lancet exists

[pale yoke]

gasp

Caught a stalker

[torn meteor]

the existence of dead lancet makes me want to pull eunectes when id otherwise consider her account damage

[pale yoke]

she was decent during her time 😭

[torn meteor]

i dont care for her design and she has so much clunk that i find uninteresting to interact with

[wind otter]

block him/her

[pale yoke]

now that i look at it, they never did fix her archytype

[torn meteor]

yeah the duelist module just made it so shes guaranteed to have skill once a map instead of once every 8 maps

and the payoff isnt there for what you have to deal with when using her

[pale yoke]

[torn meteor]

unironically in normal content aurora is prob the best duelist defender cuz at least she has self sustain and can activate her skills

[pale yoke]

yea i bring aurora more often than eun

[torn meteor]

and shits kinda bleak when you get crept by a 5star of your own subclass

[tiny mist]

Need help with my base. I am starting over again (in terms of preset operators for base roatations). Running 252 setup (unfortunately bricked by lvl 3 office). Any advice for figuring out how to use my current roster for base rotations?

[tiny mist]

Confused about Wisadel base skill

[jaunty notch]

she gets better with CE in cc

put wis ce amiya + 2 more in

[tiny mist]

Like this?

[jaunty notch]

yeah, that's all

since you don't have any advanced combos, CC is very simple

[tiny mist]

I suppose my base should be flexible enough to allow base rotations and not have fatigued ops/low morale ops in other buildings then?

[jaunty notch]

Yes but that’s easy

Ops heal to full in 12 and work at least 32h

[tiny mist]

Noice, yay

What about dorms

Do I lock one or two operators with dorm skills in each one of them?

(not stacking them of the same effect obviously)

[jaunty notch]

up to you

[pallid isle]

you don't even need dorm skills for most rotations

[jaunty notch]

the 12h i mentioned is without any help

but you can add an aoe to make sure you can have some flexible hours

[tiny mist]

Cheers 👍

[jaunty notch]

though honestly the 12h is from dead 0

so you usually need like 10h for each batch

[tiny mist]

Oh yeah, I don't want dead/zero fatigued operators lol

[torn meteor]

one issue im noticing is that you dont actually want to have 3 control center presets you have complete uptime with only 2

in general you only do 3 if you are staggering uptime of shit

because morale recovers fast enough to just use 2

so you always want to use the 2 most efficient things

[gleaming torrent]

theres no way to downgrade reception and office right

[torn meteor]

correct

[gleaming torrent]

guess ill have to do 243

[torn meteor]

252 still is more efficient than 243 even without a level 1 office

[clear steppe]

Hey guys, wanna ask yall veteran base. im transition from 243 to 252 and ofc i maxed out office and reception. Wanna ask if this a good configuration. Ive been following the sample and base team on pinned message eventhough i dont really know what they do. Any help for improvement would be nice.

[torn meteor]

proviso trading post should be level 2 and vermeil isnt worth using outside of a level 3 factory

karlan trade stuff is good and all but it also doesnt really work outside of a level 3 trading post

one of the strengths of proviso is she gets better in a lower tier trading post so it doesnt actually hurt trading post productivity much to make her trading post level 2 and its worth doing cuz it means one more level 3 factory

[clear steppe]

ok so im gonna downgrade my trading post for proviso and upgrade vermeil factory is that correct?

[torn meteor]

yep

you should also try staggering worker rotations in your factories

[torn meteor]

i actually posted my setup a bit earlier if you arent familiar with what i mean by "staggering worker rotations"

staggering rotations doesnt work if you dont log in every 12 hours but i could tell you were already doing that by your trading posts

[clear steppe]

yeah im not really sure what staggering worker means but i do login like twice or thrice in a day

[torn meteor]

oh also theres no benefit to using amiya in the same CC as ascalon so move her to the other one

[clear steppe]

oh it doesnt stack i see

[torn meteor]

basically you use 3 shifts, lets say im using a level 2 factory and my workers are conviction vigna feater, you dont actually need to do 2 different teams of 2, shift 1 can be feater vigna, shift 2 vigna conviction, then shift 3 feater conviction. doing it like this lets you use higher quality workers for a longer duration

like so

[clear steppe]

oh so every 12 hour login, i just swap them out

i see

[torn meteor]

yep

your vermeil factory should prob be ceobe scene with click benched

most of what you are doing is good assuming you dont have better options but you can remove some of the ehhhhh workers by implementing staggering

oh and if you try to stagger a level 3 building you need a 5th worker(this pic is an example)

ignore my morale bars i recently reworked my base lmao

[elder cedar]

anyone here do orundum farm???

[torn meteor]

i dont but i can link you to a guide for it

[elder cedar]

yea that be great i have a google doc anything else will work

but also would like to talk to someone thats currently doing it and ask abt their expereince

[torn meteor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mXML196voUUGswEyn3D-NCALqOEpvajWKiYZXBiYmJ4/edit?tab=t.0 theres a chance this might be the same guide lmao

i can try to find something on youtube for you maybe

to my knowledge orundum farming is pretty similar to normal farming except you spend all your sanity on 1-7 and do proviso as your gold TP then one of jaye glasgow or laterano TP for orundum

[pale yoke]

@valid storm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXwhi4157Tg

breeze skin surely

[valid storm]

there's none...

[pale yoke]

🫵

[valid storm]

I'll lick you!

[pale yoke]

in 1.22 there's a gust of wind, consider that a compensation

it's a BREEZE AFTERALL

[valid storm]

I need an actual Breeze skin

WRONG

[pale yoke]

i wonder what happened actually

[valid storm]

Breeze is uch more

[pale yoke]

maybe something happened to the original artist?

i heard about the vermeil case

but even vermeil got a skin now lol

[elder cedar]

yep same one thanks though

[elder cedar]

what ops should i have in mind when doing the orundum i know eyja celyon lava. Im not too sure on what their base skill do but to my knowledge they just work faster??? they dont give more orundum in return right? And for the TP whats good operators jaye. Are we naming factons for TP why are we doing that?

[torn meteor]

i mentioned the TP cuz you need one for gold then the other needs to not be either proviso or tequila cuz their base skills dont actually do anything when getting orundum trades

chestnut is the fastest OP worker

[elder cedar]

so for the factory i want eyja chestnut lava and celyon? and what abt TP tequilla and proviso???

wait tp is just for gold is there any orundum related?

[torn meteor]

1 tp is gold 1 tp is orundum

unless you want to go all in on orundum but personally i dont like that cuz it means i need to keep a closer eye on my gold and mats

where you can just use this 1 orundum 1 lmd and use the setup longer

[elder cedar]

then for the factories do i just have one doing orundum as well

[torn meteor]

im not familiar enough with the production/consumption rate of orundum shards to say, but that one is prob in the guide

[elder cedar]

ok thanks

anyone here do orundum base let me know

[spare pivot]

How much aketon should one have generally?

[orchid bane]

Aketon can be upgrade from T2

150 to 200 is good enough

[frank cipher]

what you want to know?
1 fac shard, 1 tp Ao?
overcap real quick?
prod team?
change base layout?
gn

[orchid bane]

But maybe for newbie 50 - 100 is cool

[elder cedar]

are u currently doing it?

[frank cipher]

Yes

[frank cipher]

unless you desperate for Ao, do it after event unless already stack shard/rock ,clear shop 1st

[elder cedar]

So like in a week how much orundum do u produce

[frank cipher]

monthly 3000-6000 depend on my pull, daily 100

suck to have enough mat, farm event just to clear shop

[elder cedar]

Suck to have enough mat what does that mean?

And can you talk more on the overcap like over cap as in you have max capacity are there operators that increase caps

[leaden grove]

Did you read the guide??..

Also don’t use Ceylon

[valid storm]

Ceylon is good for production

[elder cedar]

Is + 35 production more on speed?

[orchid bane]

Beach party

Chestnut is the best with 45% btw

[summer kernel]

in high-end 252 base teams, how much does a CC slot have to contribute to be part of the meta rotation? like more than 25% production of TP/FAC?

Not counting stuff like Mlynar to make the 12hr rotation work

[leaden grove]

You don’t need to e2 her

She’s objectively the worst here, by a mile

[elder cedar]

what abt the tps what ops do i use there?

[leaden grove]

Whatever gets you a good number and works for ao

[summer kernel]

anything 30%+ is good to start with

[elder cedar]

this just make the process goes faster right?

[leaden grove]

Yes, it’s no different than the rest of the base

[elder cedar]

got it thanks

so the goal would be to get as much productivity and swap them out when operators are about to be drained from working?

[summer kernel]

yep, maximize the production percentages and how long they work. check pin3 for a how-to on good rotations.

[leaden grove]

Yes that’s how base works in general

https://youtu.be/0si4HMQuYBo?si=bJkUS5MNcufGCWen

[torn meteor]

depends entirely on who fills the slot, with dead lancet eunectes is 30 productivity for the weedy factory, flametail is 30 exp productivity across pinus sylvestris, viviana is 28 productivity across knights, ling dusk chongyue are huge for mrnothing making him the singular best proviso partner, and thats just me rattling off the ones i can think of off the top of my head

theres also delphine being 30 productivity across glasgow gang and gnosis is significant in jaye/swirealt trading posts

[summer kernel]

yeah, those are the teams im thinking of too but I'm trying to find out how much they actually contribute per slot.

Like FT+Vivi team doesnt actually provide 30+28 EXP since the PS FAC members only give 25% each at E2, which is lower than the 30% baseline we use. Instead I think theyre worth (28+30-15) in 2 slots so 21.5% per CC slot

iirc Cho did some great work with Dead Lancet Eunectes too and found out that she's probably worth less than Amiya in CC, with some assumptions like FAC outputs being the same as TP.

With the new VG, i wonder if Dead Lancet Eunectes is even a net positive over Amiya in CC. Do you know based on your calcs @arctic prism, because iirc, Eunectes' contribution was treading water even before Snegurochka

[torn meteor]

ok vivi is also buffing gravel who is 35 but yeah i see your point, still bringing them to 35 each is good

[torn meteor]

ok that checks out drones are valuable

[summer kernel]

yeah but you would run gravel anyway so the low-end baseline is just +7 from viv

[torn meteor]

which is still only 3% less than using like mon3tr in 252

[summer kernel]

thats why kal and mon3tr are out of the meta if i understand correctly

[torn meteor]

all things considered though we dont actually have many groundbreaking cc ops

[torn meteor]

part of that is also hoshialter fucking killed them but yeah

[pale yoke]

my view on vivi ft is using 35% as benchmark, the 2 of them bring 21% XP and 7% gold

so 14% each give or take

with ling and dusk being a staple, i say 10% is what we are looking for in CC

[torn meteor]

its still worth using them if you dont have 3sui but shits way more competitive

[pale yoke]

anything addition is bonus

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

[summer kernel]

10% over what? a baseline of 35% per slot in FAC and TP?

[torn meteor]

yeah a good cc is adding somewhere between 50 and 70ish productivity to stuff

[pale yoke]

i agree on the other view except this one, i don't view TP % on par with fac
since we have fewer TP and higher % team comp are easily available for TP compare to factory

[uncut dome]

Lee and Aak give +25% to my agenda

[pale yoke]

yes bringing 10% on top of anything that is 35%

[torn meteor]

yeah for sure tp is not the same im just assuming they dont have all the tools so i was just pointing out cc ops with notable increases to various comps

factory productivity boosts are generally worth more than tp boosts

[summer kernel]

Ok, I've been looking at Umiri and her 10%HR buff and my rough math says she's worth the sanity value equivalent of 18% FAC and 2% TP if you do any AO farming, since HR% converts to more refreshes which is more yellow certs

[pale yoke]

interesting

[summer kernel]

idk if im just schizoposting bc that seems pretty high, but most of it comes down to 10%HR is 0.2 more refreshes daily which means like 4 orundum/day when you buy out the 38 pulls

[torn meteor]

and thats vigil propaganda for proviso tp

this could end up meaning we umiri instead of eunectes if we dont want to bother with dead lancet

[summer kernel]

idk. most of us dont AO farm i think

[torn meteor]

my dumb ass is blanking on what AO means

[rigid plume]

Orundum

[torn meteor]

ahh

[pale yoke]

after looking at it more thoroughly i say ill stick with what i have now

same reason i don't run saileach

umiri ain't budokan level fr fr

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

say something funny zyf

[uncut dome]

7

[pale yoke]

[jaunty notch]

babysit me zyf

you know what i'm talking about

proof that tab

[torn meteor]

i mean is there any reason we need to only use umiri in orundum farming when nothing she does actually relies on it? she still makes vigil perform better in the mrnothing free part of rotation, like vigil becoming a 45 is inherently somewhat valuable in the proviso TP and im pretty sure when looking at proviso exactly, TP boosts are more valuable than factory boosts

[summer kernel]

yeah her value only hinges on if you use your base for pull currency, which is pretty inefficient in general

[pale yoke]

no, scholar meant it as a hypothetical value wise

[torn meteor]

i dont think she changes optimal bases really but shes going to be nice for the poors and/or newer players who dont have as many good cc workers

[uncut dome]

I feel so washed and so out of it, I'll try to check later

The +10% HR with no drawbacks look nice tho but it doesn't work on high end cuz of Sail so yea it is nice for newer less stacked base roster like you guys said

[pale yoke]

when you put the whole team together they become worse because of the sheer number of slot they take up and when value are shared across 5 CC slot it pales in comparison of what we already have available

[torn meteor]

personally i use 6 ops across both rotations of my cc cuz my flametail and pinus arent built yet and i dont have dusk chongyue

[summer kernel]

HR% is better than orundum farming since you dont lose opportunity cost of making and selling shards with the FAC and TP. it basically converts recruitment tickets into more gold certs which is more versatile than AO

[torn meteor]

ye for sure(maybe i missed something its 1am, i thought people were saying shes only good when orundum farming)

[uncut dome]

It's your turn again next after Red took the hit last week

[valid storm]

not quite because HR% can't give you new operators while the could

[torn meteor]

i mean sail only works whisperain rotation anyway so you just use umiri in the other one

[uncut dome]

He is seeing the gold cert value then converting it to pulls then to orundumb

[summer kernel]

i thought a lot of ppl dont run mulberry+sail anyway?

[uncut dome]

That is true I forgot about that

[summer kernel]

nah, its better bc you just buy pulls with gold certs so you can shoperator and do banner pulls lol

[uncut dome]

The normal rotation

[torn meteor]

part of that is they run whisperain instead of mulberry if they use sail usually but also some people just dont care about the hr speed

[pale yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1228329824037376000/Virtuosa_smash.gif

[uncut dome]

My past rotation just makes use of both Mul and Whisp

And I never bothered with Sail cuz...

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

Pulls in the certshop are quite limited and you get more certs from actual pulls than from recruitment

[uncut dome]

Should I E2 Odda?

[torn meteor]

an advantage umiri has over sail is she doesnt need to be in the overcrowded sui rotation, but also as i mentioned she makes vigil the 2nd best proviso partner(not counting eben cuz hes only real when hes competing with mrnothing)

[uncut dome]

It isn't even about Sail vs Umiri

Since they can't actually be in place of each other

[torn meteor]

im aware but im saying that sail can only exist in the sui rotation which is a part of why she fell out of favor, and the suiless rotation is less competitive in its cc slots

[pale yoke]

i might have another friend slot open up again in that case

[uncut dome]

But but I know you're gonna need my P6 Confess-47, surely!

[pale yoke]

i dont use suppok other than to get that sweet sweet 30 credit

live for the base die by the base

[uncut dome]

Go use mine then

[summer kernel]

sorry, i'm confused. im saying that increasing HR% is better than AO farming because 1) you dont have to deal with shards. 2) you get gold certs which can be used for pulls and shoperator stuff 3) it effectively increases the amount of sanity you can rock farm since the real bottleneck is sanity generation if you are a big AO farmer

[pale yoke]

like i have M6 Yu and who even use penance anymore

smh

[torn meteor]

personally im partial to something like flametail vivi umiri swire hoshialt

[uncut dome]

Wtf but I'm a defenderkinghts player, who do you want then?

[summer kernel]

i didnt even consider the siracusan buff since i didnt think there was a meta siracusan TP team. Where is Vigil good? 243?

[torn meteor]

hes a 40 in tp

[uncut dome]

Vigil is good off Sui in 252

[torn meteor]

it requires office levels tho iirc

[uncut dome]

If you don't have the MH for 41% but with Umiri it's 45%

That looks pretty good actually

[torn meteor]

ye exactly

[pale yoke]

me finding out you're a defenderknight

[torn meteor]

i might be misremembering, again its 1am here

[torn meteor]

i lied, reception room levels

[arctic prism]

surprised someone remembers this lol
checked calcs, only thing that changes is for 252 ML people the %fac difference with and without eun in CC is increased from 25% to 30% (not having to use passenger for 25%)
all it does is make it equal to 252 MR, everyone else isnt changed at all
but another thing to note is that all this banks on you valuing tp% = gold% = xp%
it's not actually true (changes on your target lmd : xp ratio, how much gold you farm outside of base, what ops we have available) but is just easy to compare this way

[summer kernel]

i guess with the right rotation, you can get 18% FAC and 7% TP (***in sanity equivalent value, assuming you would rock farm for pulls as an alternative)

[valid storm]

From recruitment you can get around 40-50 yellow certs per month, at least with my luck, while Orundumb farming could give you around 10 pulls, sanity potions not included, meaning that you gain more pulls from orundumb farming than certs

[uncut dome]

How did you not know, my supports have been my defenders for a long time now

[torn meteor]

i think i'll be using umiri for a long time cuz well vigil propaganda

[pale yoke]

until the fire nation attacked (proviso in fire nation)

[jaunty notch]

you found our resident jester

[uncut dome]

Btw I wouldn't necessarily uh equate the value to fac% and tp% since AO farming is still capped by rocks and not time

[arctic prism]

was doing some calcs to try and get the value of tp% vs gold % vs xp% with lmd : xp ratio and some other things as inputs earlier but is incomplete

[summer kernel]

but why not both lol. Umiri doesnt prevent you from AO farming besides taking up a CC slot.

[pale yoke]

i just didn't assume, idek what i would consider myself since i build so many ops lol

[uncut dome]

It's just still hard to equate certs into value we have on base

[pale yoke]

-refresh
-same tag, just changing spot

[valid storm]

True, using both is the best considering that you want the new gacha operators and have a solid rooster already

[uncut dome]

I actually do some defender clears, I'll DM you one

[torn meteor]

yeah its hard to make proper assumptions about nicheknights from support units

[valid storm]

once refresh gave me the exact same tag list

[torn meteor]

its also easy to say "just use both" with umiri cuz shes welfare

[pale yoke]

same, many many time and many such cases
they either change slot or just another batch of starter + different archytype

[uncut dome]

Accept me, I can't send a message

[summer kernel]

not after PeterYR provided us true sanity values with his new sheet. 🙏 The sanity cost of AO farming is just cost of T2 rock + the opportunity cost of the production you're replacing in base to make and sell the shards.

its just another how much sanity value my base is producing calc

[valid storm]

I use the current shard meta team

[valid storm]

You can send me messages though

[uncut dome]

What if I don't want to

[valid storm]

That's totally understandable

[pale yoke]

lmao i watch the vid and suddenly a familiar music. FE3H

[torn meteor]

ok im not familiar with shard teams so you have to enlighten me on that

[pale yoke]

[valid storm]

I'm a scary bluename after all

[valid storm]

there's basically 6 operator who has shard related skills and they are the ones you should use

[torn meteor]

arent those all in factory?

[valid storm]

yes, for TP, just use a high percent general team

[torn meteor]

oh yeah ig jaye/swirealt and glasgow are both high quality tp teams that need cc slots to reach peak performance

and lemuen tp cant cover both rotations unless you fia her

the lack of multi faction is a scheme by big laterano to suppress the siracusa tp(vigil texas lappland)

[pale yoke]

they are building up for future base expansion obviously

we need to envision bigger picture

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1118203518449360896/lv_0_20230603164315.gif

sorry forgot my meds today

[valid storm]

I'm still waiting for Pepe partners

free money is best money

[torn meteor]

i say this but like a 115 tp where 3/4 pieces are free to get is still a nice thing for new players

[pale yoke]

if they ever do a XP proviso i would have a field day cursing 5 factory lol

[torn meteor]

im not powerful enough to curse my TPs

[pale yoke]

this week report is a bit because of base expansion and mastery

[uncut dome]

I'm waiting for Proviso for clue 7

[pale yoke]

schizo in the house

[torn meteor]

if i was willing to curse my TPs i could run tequila TP despite my lack of shamare

[uncut dome]

Wait you didn't answer which support you want

[pale yoke]

idk

im not looking for anything tho

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

[torn meteor]

i cant wait for them to add 3 more left slots so optimal base becomes 363

[pale yoke]

ill use your penance anyway

[uncut dome]

Oh right when are we getting friend slot increase again

[torn meteor]

ok im gonna go pass out i need to stop sleeping close to 2am

[uncut dome]

You should make it closer to 3am

[torn meteor]

perhaps but that means fucking up base rotation for a day by oversleeping because i always wait a few hours after waking up to open AK

[uncut dome]

You failed the test

You got baited

Go to sleep already

[torn meteor]

nighty night

[pale yoke]

3 month? our timeline is a bit faster now i think

also able to "favorite" friend

so you dont have to spam refresh anymore

[uncut dome]

Oh it's still a while

[fluid pollen]

guys

[pale yoke]

[summer kernel]

assuming your facility% assumption to be true, is Eun down to like 5% production improvement over Amiya for all setups?

[arctic prism]

no she's the same as before
if only droning tp, roughly 7% or 10% for 252 (depending on lv tp) and virtually nothing for 3pp setups

vs whatever the value of amiya is in that setup

maybe easier to understand this way:
value of eun in cc for 252 assuming drone tp:
+30% gold fac
-23.4% lv2 tp or -20% lv3 tp
for 3pp:
+20% fac
-23.4% lv2 tp or -20% lv3 tp

[uncut dome]

[summer kernel]

10% max production... Eun seems like the weakest meta CC slot

[pale yoke]

Without eun

With eun

[orchid bane]

Best friends training each other

[valid storm]

What sort of monster won't give her a work partner?

[pale yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1421588643063267408/IMG_2920.gif

she got her puppet with her and that's enough

[valid storm]

That's not a puppet, that's an industrial water canon

[pale yoke]

Both can be true

[arctic prism]

Reason why it's good on 252 is bc with current base meta ops, 252 bleeds gold fast if you drone tp so gold% is valued higher than the potential loss in tp%
Combined with the fact that perma droning tp isnt really sustainable on 252, eun value is higher there

[valid storm]

That's still not someone that can answer

[frank cipher]

weaker cc meta? you mean strongest gold user? she suppose to run with 7% fo max eff

that's take to match prov 50%

[arctic prism]

The point is that you can replace passenger with eun and still hit +1.5 vs +1.8
After factoring the loss of drones from having dead lancet those are the numbers

[uncut dome]

So you're aware of the bleeding and ignored it from the maffs then you bloat the TP% with Proviso multiplier

It's always the you get more LMD from Proviso and the your gold bleeds left out

[arctic prism]

?? When I introduced this i said all of this under the caviat that you are permanently droning tp

[uncut dome]

You introduced it at tp% = fac%

[arctic prism]

And ive acknowledged several times that this isnt the case both back when I introduced it and whenever it's brought back up

I just wrote it that way since thats the assumption everyone makes regardless

[uncut dome]

Yes but you're even saying this

[arctic prism]

Because thats the information he wanted

[uncut dome]

Like that's easy to see and will create misunderstanding

Scholar already assuming it's 10% max prod

[arctic prism]

Idk I feel like ive made it pretty clear when you read through the whole conversation
Gave explanations of exactly what it is and isnt depending on circumstances

Maybe I could have worded it more clearly or more concisely so it would be harder to misunderstand like you said

I just prefer to answer the exact question thats being asked then give an explanation on why something works or doesn't work

[fluid pollen]

clearly this is the fault of Proviso.

Smh smh

[uncut dome]

No

It's just the weirdness of tp% vs fac%

[fluid pollen]

Gold wasn’t an issue before she came along.

we shld all just drone xp.

[frank cipher]

1.5 vs 1.8
you mean 20% pp = 30% tp if drone prov? absurd (probably it's if count 7%)

[uncut dome]

Btw I'm not dissing you or anything, even if it's not your intent it can lead to that and you shouldn't really start with tp% = fac% if you already know it's not the case

[arctic prism]

Tyty will keep in mind for future messages
Was trying to find a way to simplify the tp% not equating to fac% concept to make it more easily understandable too since everyone just assumes it's true but theres so many user determined variables it's difficult to get a general rule of thumb type thing for it

[arctic prism]

Nono
Pure+weedy+pass+eun(cc) = 180%
Pure+weedy+eun(fac) = 150%
Dead lancet pp% loss (with 20% worker) = 25% (incl base 5% from facility) -> -12.5% fac% or ~-20% tp after proviso

[uncut dome]

Wait what is this setup, is this 333?

For 243 and 333, dead lancet is not worth it at all

[frank cipher]

more or less it's less 10% that's why i count 7%
it's 432 farming Ao

fact both prov/shama hit 200% kinda waste to change

[uncut dome]

432

[arctic prism]

Wait it was 432??

Then even less worth
Pure weedy eun are 155%

[clear steppe]

what the avg income for 252 setup with optimal setup combo? maybe missing little operator here and there

[frank cipher]

it's already 4 tp and you asking me to increase prov ? madman

[arctic prism]

Thats tru

[uncut dome]

What's the fac setup for 432?

Are they all lvl3?

I forgot if you're max left or nah

I just know if you're not max left then the automation fac should just be weedy purestream on a lvl2

[arctic prism]

Depends on level of sweat in your rotations
For standard 12 hr rots, roughly 30k xp / 70k lmd should be your target if droning lmd i think? I forgot numbers when droning xp

[clear steppe]

is the 70K lmd total of 24 hours? or 12 hours = 70k lmd?

[uncut dome]

Okay so for 153 when the vg comes dead lancet would also go down to 7.5% like the other 3 PP setups that use Purestream

[arctic prism]

24 hrs

[clear steppe]

i see

i guess imma priotize upgrading my base op

[pale yoke]

[summer kernel]

i wrote down my "Umiri is worth 20%prod" schizopost to clean up my thoughts. If anyone wants to take a look and critique it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jtng4eTA--vDPFDJshVlROLrbDwgCVW-y0Q1iz0Z42Y/edit?usp=sharing

[winged hollow]

what is lmd output for 342 if using exodia?

[pale yoke]

Just like those that came before you and made a case for saileach, I say you do you.

[winged hollow]

can i reach 100k if I have exodia?

[pale yoke]

[summer kernel]

Umiri pays itself back bc she's welfare and the 10%HR works at E0

but also account damage since we're effectively orundumb farming with a CC slot

[frank cipher]

true there is better team for lvl3
max right 342/432
fac 3 3 2
tp 3 3 2 1

[pale yoke]

😭 isn't "paying itself back" for ops you raise exclusively for base? saileach is one of the best vanguard in game tho
people usually build her for combat already

[pale yoke]

i like where you're going with this

[orchid bane]

It wheeling time, Wheeling is so much fun, I hid this base owner's name, you guys can't never tell whose base is this

[pale yoke]

when rainbow six siege does it everyone lost their mind

[valid storm]

indeed,no one would run such a horrible cc team

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

Since they have Maid Kal, they must be a whale who doesn't have to care about efficiency

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

Maid Kal is a 30$ skin

[orchid bane]

Well a whale should buy kal UI theme

Rumor has it it will cost $50

[valid storm]

I will buy the lorebook for the main menu background

[orchid bane]

[spare pivot]

[final timber]

Do we got any news on when itll drop?

[valid storm]

nope

[final timber]

They dropped those teasers for it back in may and nothing since.

[valid storm]

They even removed it from the shop at one point

[final timber]

You mean the cn version of the book?

[valid storm]

No, Yostar store had the EN version there with the "pre-order soon" text

[final timber]

Oh? I had no clue damn

I rly want one to run an arknights themed dnd or daggerheart campaign and use it for reference hehe. Well thanks regardless ill keep an eye out for news

[plucky helm]

I only have 40 power left but i still need to max out the factories and the training rooms so do i get rid of one of the factories?

Or do i downgrade something else like the dormitories or something

[final timber]

You can do /base in botspam for the setup and levels on each facility

[torn meteor]

ok i do need to point out theres pulls in the maid kal bundle so you arent just buying the skin

[valid storm]

You are talking to the person who made the value calculation for the pack

[versed marsh]

does it reset if he leaves the training room?

[torn meteor]

i wasnt aware of that but its still not only the skin in there

[valid storm]

Well yes, but since you have to pay 30$ for the pack containing the skin, it's a 30$ skin

[torn meteor]

thats true

[versed marsh]

id say it wouldnt make much sense to calculate the specific value of the skin by taking away the value of the pulls as opposed to just calling it a "30$ skin"

[orchid bane]

I paid 5$ for base BMG

[versed marsh]

when can we demolish this

so i can 252 max left

[valid storm]

when base is out of beta

[versed marsh]

is it out in cn?

[versed marsh]

which pack has base bgm? i just buy all packs in shop didnt look at it specifically

[orchid bane]

not in this event

[versed marsh]

where can we change base bgm?

[orchid bane]

.

[versed marsh]

ophhh

seems like i emptied the inside of my reception room

and missed it

what is this btw

[orchid bane]

and base BMG is attach to background you have

maybe plus defaut BMG

I called it "Base BMG" because that is what I need, not the background

[valid storm]

nope, it got regressed back to dev

[orchid bane]

oh and this is 50$ base BMG

[valid storm]

does it come with furniture?

[pale yoke]

in 6hr ill have 200 m3

[orchid bane]

Idk

[pale yoke]

SOON THE SUFFERING WILL END

[noble ibex]

In the Pozyomka TP team, who should I replace Tuye with if I put her with Proviso?

[torn meteor]

really just the best worker you have free, notable examples are vigil and the MH cat

you just want something high %

[noble ibex]

okie ty

[oblique swan]

i have some questions for 252 setup with proviso mainly regarding factories and dorm levels

[valid storm]

You mean... No more Fia?

[torn meteor]

the only way we escape fia is in a coffin

[valid storm]

so, when Fia dies?

[pale yoke]

the end is also a new benninging...be...beninging

[valid storm]

Fia alter confirmed?

[torn meteor]

no when we die

[valid storm]

But we cannot die

[barren oxide]

Fiametta's base skill states she gets flat +2 morale per hour, but sometimes she is on uneven numbers, does she simply gain +1 morale every 30 minutes or something else is happening?

[valid storm]

yes, and morale is actually a floating point number, a while ago I managed to produce some funny bugs with it, so her morale recovery is 2*(time in the dorm in hours>

[midnight parrot]

Will these cockroaches gain more trust if I put both of them in activity rooms and as base assistants?

[barren oxide]

Thank you ^^

Oh and, Im currently using Fiametta on Proviso and Ascalon, between Amiya and Mon3tr which is the better last character to use her skill on?

[valid storm]

Uhh... Probably Mon3tr, because Swire can fill in for Amiya, same skill

[spare pivot]

I forgot to collect tp

[torn meteor]

heretical

[spare pivot]

forgive me

for this mistake

[torn meteor]

i sentence you to pulling fiametta for base

[spare pivot]

my senior said not to pull, I'm banned

[torn meteor]

in that case lose 50/50 to her coward

[spare pivot]

wwell, I'll welcome her with open arms

[torn meteor]

i got jumped by fia back on sui banner, best 50/50 loss ive ever had

[spare pivot]

i wanna be jumped by ines

[torn meteor]

weak

[spare pivot]

[hollow hedge]

when do I get to be a billionaire?

First E2 and took literally everything I had but I hope it'll be worth it...
I don't have that many operators that reduce morale drain tho

(I do mean everything, btw).

[frank cipher]

1st e2 prov is wild,in a month she probably pay back your investment while other e2 took 2y something. worth every cen

[wind orbit]

so the new lemuen+ exualter better than regular exu combo?

exu texas lappl

[frank cipher]

if not mistake
lemuen/Exu > lemuen/exu/exualt > exu/tex/lapp

[wind orbit]

whos the other on first team [ lemuen/exu/? ...]

[frank cipher]

40%?

[wind orbit]

oo

[pale yoke]

200th

[jaunty notch]

lemu + og exu is 80, old PL combo is 100. So add anyone better than 20 and you're good

[vivid badge]

what kind of incantations are these

oh riic nvm

[hollow hedge]

It's about the money...

[wary apex]

yo so as someone who just set all the first batch r6 operators in the CC, what's the best setup for the trading post?

trying to mass produce as much LMD as possible

[frank cipher]

Check # pin(4) base guide combo etc

[wary apex]

was checking it out but bit confused as to how they refer to the teams?

like it seems like they all just stack morale drain reduction?

and then the last few are just whatever?

but I could be misunderstanding

[frank cipher]

yes

[simple violet]

When visiting friends, if you visit someone and get the limit for the day message, will that person be eligible to visit the next day (assuming they are still an eligible target) or will you get the no repeat visits error?

[pale yoke]

will be eligible

[fading cave]

how am i supposed to decide which of the layouts i wanna use, I'm a brand new player so ngl it's kind of an overload of information

[valid storm]

252 (2 trading post, 5 factories and 2 powerplants) is what we could suggest, 2 logins per day is enough to manage it and will produce more than the other setups
however, your base will not be fully upgraded

but that's a small price to pay for efficiency

I think I still have that friend who runs max left 252 without a training room on the right

nvm, they sacrificed dorm levels for a level 1 tr

[spare pivot]

tas possible?

[spare pivot]

oh

[valid storm]

yes, it's possible, you can even build the training room above the office, but you have to know about this before progressing far enough into the story

and playing without masteries is totally fine but costs irl sanity

[spare pivot]

[knotty flax]

is there any way to boost TP/gold prod line? i'm running full proviso/tuye + poz/kirara/quartz

(4 gold fac/1 exp)

[pallid isle]

Your using 4 durins in dorms/base I assume already? There's not much more you can do if you have 4 gold factories as well

I mean doing cursed if it's an option ig (take proviso out and only put her in when a few minutes are left/ drone then take her out again)

[knotty flax]

does walter count to hoesderer's base skill

[pallid isle]

I don't think so but I would test it by having her in cc and Ines in rr shouldn't take more then a minute to test that to make sure

[knotty flax]

walter doesn't

uuuuugh

i produce twice as much gold as i consume

[pallid isle]

Yeah didn't think so rip

[knotty flax]

and i have like 5k

[pallid isle]

You should swap to 3 exp then for a while

Or even 5 if you wanna burn it fast ig

But I would just do 3 exp

[knotty flax]

atp wouldn't running shamare/tequila/whoever be better than poz

[pallid isle]

Well depends

Are you doing cursed or not?

Putting teq and proviso in before every order?

[knotty flax]

oh god what

proviso and tequila stack like that

[pallid isle]

If not then yeah teq is just better and I run

They don't stack

[knotty flax]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-pc-gif-27163711

[pallid isle]

But if you get a 4 gold order teq activates and if not proviso acirvates

So you still use both in the '"
Cursed" set ups

But if your asking for just straight production

Yes shamare teq and proviso + whoever's highest is better

When I get days off/ a lot of time i don't even use Kiara either

[knotty flax]

i've been using ionized fiametta and the babel/CE CC team to get 24 uptime with 8h tolerance

[pallid isle]

In fairness not as familiar

Due to running either mylnar or chung instead

It's not a massive production difference however

But you mentioned quartz randomly thinking on it

Hoe is still better if you have Ines. I take it you don't have W regular?

So the main point though is it's fine to use a slightly weaker tp team in shamare teq and really it's still quite close due to the gold saving and running more exp factories in general if your that much overflow in gold

Eventually you will run out if you just run 3 or 4 exp factories

And technically yes the gold saved from teq does matter here in this equation

[knotty flax]

thanks

[smoky spade]

Is there anyone good to combo Exusiai Alter and Lemuen with in the trading post?
If I recall correctly, Exusiai doesn’t count as a “Laterano” Operator, right?

[jaunty notch]

just use og exu

she's better than exu alter anyway

[smoky spade]

Fair enough.
Btw, is Alter Exusiai’s Dorm Base Skill mistranslated or something?

[jaunty notch]

what does it say on EN

[smoky spade]

Isn’t it supposed to be something like “to one other operators” or “to another operator” instead of “to all operators”?
Probably an error or typo then a mistranslation, but still.

[rigid plume]

And where's mistranslation?

[smoky spade]

The “to all other Operators” part

[rigid plume]

Operators inside Dorm with her.

[jaunty notch]

yeah it's ST

same as tomimi

[smoky spade]

It’s literally like Santalla’s dorm Skill but for Laterano instead of Sami

As much as I wish that it was +0.55 Morale per hour to all Operators, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

[rigid plume]

Ah, Ic

Anyone with CN account?

[valid storm]

prts.wiki has the cn texts

[smoky spade]

Is the CN one also wrong or was it actually an error/typo/mistranslation for just the EN?

[rigid plume]

Huh, that's funny

The CN description doesn't specify this thing either.

[jaunty notch]

it said to "an" right there

it's the same typo as tomimi's

[valid storm]

So... No global 0.55 morale boost?

[jaunty notch]

if you look at it, the one doing the localization also just switched the all with one, didn't even bother fixing operators plural

[smoky spade]

Tomimi has a typo?

[jaunty notch]

check it out

[smoky spade]

Hers seems correct to me

[jaunty notch]

oh, they fixed it

used to be the same wording as exu

[rigid plume]

[smoky spade]

Ah got it.

Still, I wish it was actually +0.55 to all Operators. It’s a lot, but honestly fitting for Exusiai.

[jaunty notch]

from last year

also the strongest aoe right now is lumen at 0.45 with a ton of dumb requirements

wishing 0.55 aoe is like coping for free x10 as a gift

[jaunty notch]

they fixed it in 2023 my bad

[frank cipher]

what faction is prov?

also teq

also shama

[valid storm]

So... they are reusing the old template without the fix

[rigid plume]

Kazimierz

[rigid plume]

Bolivar

[rigid plume]

RI

[frank cipher]

ik somehow

[smoky spade]

On an unrelated note, I’m a bit disappointed that Alter Exusiai isn’t at least also classified as Laterano for her Trading Post Skill to also proc on herself.

[jaunty notch]

you think HG had staff to think about base skills?

[rigid plume]

[jaunty notch]

look at proviso?

[rigid plume]

Shhhh

Don't let em fix this

Or they maybe fix 252 to make it worse than 243

[jaunty notch]

"oh hey let's give players a skill to burn bars better"

"what do you mean it made a niche setup way stronger than our intended setup"

[spare pivot]

[pale yoke]

what you mean they created a "cursed method"?

[jaunty notch]

"what do you mean players are setting alarms to put proviso in"

"she's supposed to stay in there to compensate for her skill"

[pale yoke]

[mortal lichen]

What was the use for 3-4-2 is it for orondum farm?

[winged hollow]

orundum and lmd boost

but if you desperate for orundum any base layout works

[abstract jacinth]

I'm kinda sick of having my reception room only on 1 and and not being able to set good supports. what would be my best course of action here, as I obviously messed things up by upgrading office in the beginning 😂

[leaden grove]

No one really wants them unless you’re a whale

[abstract jacinth]

True. it's a self esteem thing 😂

Also more friends because I sometimes need support

[leaden grove]

Isn’t lvl 1 like 65 friends or sm

[hollow hedge]

I don't have anyone better but I'm supposed to like, just downgrade a post and put someone with the best productivity right ? (in this case anyone with 30%).

[abstract jacinth]

my base is not running smooth anyway. I have like a bazillion gold and the trading posts can't cut it...

[winged hollow]

no one need your support these days

[leaden grove]

Then make some more exp. You will have gold issue later when you get proviso

[winged hollow]

If i can downgrade rightside I cut the office first

[abstract jacinth]

ah I wondered. it said 10 xD

[leaden grove]

You can use quartz for 34% at e1

[hollow hedge]

oh

I think I can buy her

why the fuck she randomly has 34% lol

[leaden grove]

Not a huge deal, but proviso is busted so every bit helps

30% + 2% for every type of recipe being made in factory

AKA 2% for gold and 2% for EXP

[hollow hedge]

ergh

145 red stuff

A second.

I CAN'T EVEN FARM IM' GONNA DIE

wekl whatever

[abstract jacinth]

so how can I get proviso then? 😅

[hollow hedge]

headhunt

[winged hollow]

headhunt or recruitment

luck

[abstract jacinth]

😭

or I just switch all my gold production to trading posts xD

[winged hollow]

do it

run the best % you can do

[leaden grove]

Bad idea, 811 isn’t even a big surplus and you lose opportunity cost of spreading your base workers around evenly

You can (and probably should) get proviso for free on our anniversary free selector

Jan 16

For now just make a bit extra exp maybe

[chilly mirage]

Can anyone help me with the base? I mean like what's a good base? I'm literally tryna finish ALL stages in the game yet still have unbuilt base, i mean i set up the rotations for ops and stuff like that, one click and everyone is resting after rotating and idk what I'm doing tbh, is base really thst op?

Ain't no way the base can produce like 100k per day dawg, ik gold bars ain't worth that much😭

Aren't 1 gold bars like 500 only or smth?😭

I didn't know there was a channel dedicated for base sweats bro i need some tips😭

[pale yoke]

if you're talking about 100k lmd daily, no not possible without burning sanity for droning or carry over report

[leaden grove]

“Good” base for endgame is like 65k lmd 35k exp

[chilly mirage]

Oh alr i saw someone glazing base so hard, saying i can earn 100k daily in base like ain't no way bro

[chilly mirage]

My goodness I don't even think I'm earning like 1% of that💔

[leaden grove]

[pale yoke]

100k they probably included gold + xp + lmd total

[chilly mirage]

How tho? Is it automatic once I built the base or do i need to keep logging in or smth?

[pale yoke]

in that case 100k is easily achieved

[leaden grove]

You need to log in yes lol

[chilly mirage]

How frequent😭

[rigid plume]

Once per day at least.

[leaden grove]

Ideally 2x a day

[rigid plume]

Minimum.

[chilly mirage]

My goodness I thought I'd have to do it like every hour or every 30 mins

[leaden grove]

Once per day requires special setup that is worse

[chilly mirage]

Once or twice a day is enough for me

60k lmd and 30k exp is.good enough

Question is how tf I'm gonna build my base now

I should NOT have neglected it

[leaden grove]

build according to /base guide in #bot-spam

[chilly mirage]

Cuz man i don't wanna waste my sanity on lmd and exp stages

[leaden grove]

There are lots of resources in pins here on who to use in the base

[chilly mirage]

I could get farming OP instead

And finishing levels

[chilly mirage]

Alrighty

[leaden grove]

There is also /baseskills command

And we have the base combo guide in here, pin #4

You can start on noob tab and work your way through the different facilities

[chilly mirage]

Wait

Why is the dorm level 1

[leaden grove]

It explains

[chilly mirage]

But I upgraded mine already...

I'm cooked

[leaden grove]

You can downgrade

[chilly mirage]

Already messed up

Oh really?

[leaden grove]

Only a couple buildings you can’t, the ones on the right side

[chilly mirage]

Alrighth

Dang lots of work to do😭

Ngl, I might just build this after i finish grinding 200 pulls

Or 150

Cuz I'm tryna spark skalter my beloved

[leaden grove]

If your base is maxed, you can follow the video in pins to convert, it’s 80 seconds long

[chilly mirage]

That's the thing, I reached this point and neglected my base😭

Everything is like level 2 or smth

And I'm not even using the right ops, just random ops go brr

[leaden grove]

Well the layout in that command is what to work towards, downgrading dorms and a potential 3rd power plant will help with materials

[frank cipher]

possible but too overwhelming for someone new to riic too cook 100k lmd daily, tho 90-100k exp+lmd is doable

[winged hollow]

100k lmd daily is possible but need huge investment

like min maxing exodia and shit

[frank cipher]

i would if still got gold after clear ao farm, it's easier once you know how to run

pretty sure gap 2m exp now it's 700k lmd only

[winged hollow]

90 2 6* is something

I need to stock lmd before exp I pre farm exp enough until sakiko

[slow garden]

hi can someone help me with base presets? im using 252

[sour radish]

so if I understood it right, in a 252 base I downgrade one TP to lv2 for Proviso, always drone her TP, and use 3 Gold factories? And is 3 lv2 gold factories enough to keep up with Proviso or should I do one of them lv3 instead?

[fallen forge]

So, what is the difference between ''Teams'' and ''Workers"? Dunno which to choose or just for one TP I should have one preset with ''Teams'' and one preset with ''Workers''?

[leaden grove]

Teams are just groups of workers that synnergize

[fallen forge]

So teams > Workers?

[leaden grove]

Yes

If a team working together gives 100%
And putting 3 random workers gives 90%, then you want to go for the team

If you have the proper ops

[fallen forge]

kk thanks

[old lagoon]

Which op to utilize degen base skill? I'm only seeing +2 tp cap at most from each op like noir corne for example, doesn't even reach +5 if I add them up

Or is it just bad

[torn meteor]

it kinda depends on gnosis being in CC

silverash and cliffheart are +4 iirc tho

[pallid isle]

Whos the 372 operator it still says I am missing one after getting all 3 from banner confess and sankta from event.

[leaden grove]

Miss Christine is preloaded

[old lagoon]

Is leveling cliffheart worth it? I can replace my 3 20% workers with that group

[fickle olive]

wait was this fucking mistranslated

its st not aoe in the doc

ok it was

too good to be true 💔

[torn meteor]

the return on investment isnt quite there so i dont quite recommend it unless you are going down the base rabbithole

cliffheart is good as a hookmaster but usually you only need 1 and gladiia is welfare and usually can meet all your hookmaster needs

[valid storm]

it is mistranslated

[fickle olive]

yeah that sucks lmao

i was excited to get her m6'd to replace durin. then i realized i was lied to. i need 100000 op in recompense

[old lagoon]

Fair. Thank you for the guide

[fallen forge]

On Factories I should go all in EXP except one for gold, right?

[torn meteor]

usually in 252 setups people do 2 exp 3 gold

[fallen forge]

I have 243

[torn meteor]

ok then thats either 2 exp 2 gold or 1 exp 3 gold

1 gold isnt enough to handle TP consumption

[fallen forge]

kk

[torn meteor]

does coldshot stack with other dorm workers? if so does she count as AOE or ST (or neither)

[arctic prism]

she stacks, whether she counts as aoe or st depends on what she's doing
if there is only 1 op not at full morale she counts as st
otherwise she counts as aoe

[torn meteor]

ahhhh ty

[lusty rune]

Is it better to have 2 level 3 factories, 2 level 2s and 1 level 1 or 1 level 3 factory, and 4 level 2s?

[arctic prism]

depends on if you have combos that require lv 3 factory and how frequently you log in
lv 1 factory hits cap pretty fast

[wise shale]

oops i thought i could just switch to 252 (not sure if i still can) but i had no clue i couldnt downgrade the right side
what should i do?

[frank cipher]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648597683031900200/1210138343241682944/Media_240222_012335.gif?ex=68f3f5e8&is=68f2a468&hm=1ec168d3da9b353651cbbc8813d746375339a4de4900d0e5a0914d6c5ce6fefd&

[wise shale]

thanks

[rose knoll]

does anyone else get a 400 error when trying to save an RR furniture layout

[arctic prism]

I can save mine fine

[wise shale]

this base stuff hurts my brain

[frank cipher]

only at 1st, just set preset, done max base eff(probably ) with less effort

with GOAT sweep available, ppl can spend more time improve their base

[wise shale]

Do i fill all 3 presets?

[frank cipher]

2 is enough, 3 for stagger

[vivid spoke]

There's some problems with my base, not even 12hrs and almost everything is capped 😭

[fluid pollen]

it just means efficient base.

[clear steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14WzOA_cNpvG_PCHrtpxBgBpQWh4I1_TRgFPqk12W_lo/edit?gid=0#gid=0

looking at these sample, does tequila and shamare doesnt need rest?

[arctic prism]

[valid elm]

Do iget all 6 activity rooms?

[arctic prism]

doesnt use power so up to you if/when you want to build them

[vivid spoke]

How good is dead lancet now with 35 more drones?

[arctic prism]

same as before
the drones are extra drone capacity, doesnt affect drone production rate (outside of greyy alter who you're using anyways)

[vivid spoke]

Oh, how can I forget that I can use him outside of that combo

[clear steppe]

oh so i just fiameta them?

thats make sense

[arctic prism]

make sure your tailoring op doesnt change positions within the tp when you fia them

those guys take time to ramp up and it resets if they move even within the same tp

[frank cipher]

you forget proviso there, fia viable to swap 3 of them in turn. prio proviso>shama>teq in case you do 2 op fia

[torn meteor]

first thing tommorow my fedex is e2 which means no more click in the vermeil trading post

[short sail]

any suggestion for lemuen and exu alt TP team? (i don't have shamare team)

[jaunty notch]

drop exu alt and use og exu. She's better

[finite hill]

Are these decent numbers? Don't mind the middle one, I wasn't able to log in that day

[jaunty notch]

good

[rain pollen]

Why do people downgrade other factories and trading posts to do 252?

[finite hill]

It's cheaper to fully set up, and even the weakest 252 setup outperforms the others

[rain pollen]

I did hear about base rotations
Is it rotating the ops or smth else 🤔

[finite hill]

It's basically just switching operators with the lowest morale with another one

There's also staggered rotations

[rain pollen]

Yeah

[rain pollen]

?

[finite hill]

https://youtu.be/0si4HMQuYBo

This video will explain the gist of it

[rain pollen]

By the way do yall actually read those abilities of the ops in the base?

[finite hill]

Yes, because I like reading

[jaunty notch]

yeah some idiots like them so much they made an entire spreadsheet just to list them and how to use them

[rain pollen]

Wow that is so much work for a pretty small difference

[jaunty notch]

i know right

some people just want to see higher numbers

they need to get a job or something

[pale yoke]

how was your pull this banner?

[valid elm]

Where is stage dm-5 for wis module?

[jaunty notch]

skip

[valid storm]

You should pull

[spare pivot]

[jaunty notch]

as in i'll pull last day

[spare pivot]

[queen flicker]

is the first 12h avg 27.5% at e1? whats the 12h avg at e0?

[queen flicker]

also my tp teams are just 30% workers but i noticed i could do exu alter team like this right?

for 105%

can't really stagger this team right. like i have adnachiel but no og exu

[torn meteor]

yeah thats workable, and yeah there isnt really staggering that

[dusky kindle]

So.. I've been out for a long while from the game, any big changes to the base meta or dragon siblings are still the best?

[torn meteor]

base meta hasnt really changed much, its still ling dusk chongyue with proviso and the tequila tp, pinus sylvestris with flametail viviana are still the best exp workers, thornsalt was a 6% productivity addon to the bryophyta factory

[wise shale]

did i do this right?

[winged hollow]

yes good enough

[clear steppe]

any useful 4* i should e2 for base?

[rain pollen]

I feel like I'm being a bother but how do I fix this(i didn't get an answer on help)

[clear steppe]

you cant