r-i-i-c

[uncut dome]

Here... if you still want it after finding out that the big button is dum

[valid storm]

we'll get there, worry do not

[uncut dome]

[rapid summit]

thanks

[fluid pollen]

💀 nice cook.

[buoyant ivy]

Is this 2-4-3

[uncut dome]

Yes

[simple violet]

Would anyone be able to tell me if I'm missing something egregious in my rotation? I've done research, so I don't think I'm too far off base, but I may have missed some things. Disclaimer: with my current job, I often only rotate once a day, so it's common to be cleaning up a failed rotation 🙂

I run 2-5-2.
TP(2) Proviso, Terra / Exu
TP(3) Shamare, Tequila, Bibeak, and if I'm on top of the rotation, Bibeak / Kafka, if I'm not, all three swap for SA, Cliffheart, Jaye, Gnosis in CC
(I use Fiametta on my TPs)

Factories:
Bubble, Vulcan, Bena - Gold
Vermeil, Ceobe, Pallas - Exp
Mizuki + 2 when they need to rest

Conviction, FEater, Frostleaf, Shirayuki, Castle-3 on rotation for Exp

Gravel, Haze, Bryophyta, Spot, Marcille, Exec2 when I remember he exists rotating for Gold

Final Factory is 2-slot, either Purestream, Weedy, with Eunectes Lancet or rando 25s when they rest

PPs: Lancet or rotate 20%s
Office: Penance + Eyja
RR: Haven't figured this out. It was just Cantabile + Ines + Saria, for low effort - just realized Vigil might be good, and just got Vulpisfoglia

Finally, CC: Amelia + Kal swapping for Kirin + Rathalos, Eunectes rotates in, occasionally Gnosis when I mess up, and unsure what to do with the other slots (I've tried Mlynar, R6s, etc.)

I don't have Dusk or Chongyue, but I should have most everyone else.

[vivid spoke]

Isn’t almost everything cap after half a day or sth?

[raw mulch]

Am I cooked?

[jaunty notch]

yes

3 gold facs will help you

[raw mulch]

My base is 243 and my 2 factories are producing battle records and other is precious gold

[raw mulch]

Then my battle records production is lower

[maiden wave]

252:

[vivid spoke]

252

And why does 243 have a lv2 TP anyway

[orchid bane]

243 with lv 2 TP ?

[steel temple]

Is it better to have 4 lv5 FAC and lv3 RR or this current one?

[raw mulch]

For proviso

Smth wrong with that?

[uncut dome]

That current one, do not upgrade RR

[steel temple]

ty also where should i spend my drones mainly on?

[uncut dome]

Yes you should use lvl3 TP for 3 PP setups. Only 252 or 342 use lvl2 TP since they can allocate the spare power to a factory

[uncut dome]

Mainly Proviso TP

[steel temple]

i dont have proviso

[uncut dome]

Oh then probably use it on EXP for now

[steel temple]

wait is proviso an op?

[uncut dome]

Yes

[steel temple]

ahh i see ty

[steel temple]

exp in fac?

[uncut dome]

She is a 5* supporter

[uncut dome]

Yes

[steel temple]

i see ty

[raw mulch]

What is the comparison between 252 and 243? Would you mind?

[steel temple]

since i just started do i just make staggering rotations and pray it works? i dont think i have the ops for special base skills

[uncut dome]

Yea, you can check link 4 in pins for the all the base skills and combos you might have

[steel temple]

so i've been following this and i dont have vermeil

also there's 3 facs that doesnt use staggering rotations and the other 2 is js 2 ppl where its more confusing. I watched the base rotation guide and im still confused

[uncut dome]

It depends a lot on your ops. The closer you are to having optimal ops for base the closer they are but 252 max right still wins by like 5% overall and goes up the less optimal the ops are since the value of the extra factory becomes more apparent. Tho other factors such as how often you rotate could also be a factor and this is generally speaking for 12hr rotations.

[uncut dome]

That's gonna be hard since Vermeil is the core part of that team, you can just use your highest% left for that

[raw mulch]

Is there a way to downgrade RR or hq office?

[frigid sequoia]

I feel dumb

Rosmontis is only +30% factory without Ebenholz and Whisperain

But I can't fit Ebenholz in (on Proviso+Mr Nothing and Shamare+Tequila)

And also Ebenholz sucks without Whisperain (and even then, he's still weaker than Mr Nothing, TRC, Vigil, etc

[loud pine]

can someone helb my base rotation

[craggy bough]

i need an opinion, right now im using 243 base should i change for a 252 base?

[valid storm]

yes

[jaunty notch]

unless you login every 24h

[valid storm]

probably yes, (not me, my rotations are horrible)

[jaunty notch]

btw @uncut dome @wind otter

[craggy bough]

is it like more effective in terms for geting exp and money?

[uncut dome]

Yea I saw, after 6 years...

But she's out of optimal base now

[jaunty notch]

both verm and vulcan kicked out of rotations before getting their skin smh

[uncut dome]

Still coping for CC skill that increases cap

[winged hollow]

that's why I use 243 more leeway for exodia

[raw mulch]

I might be wrong but can you change 243 to 252?

[craggy bough]

yeah, just saw a video of a guy doing so

kinda painful to watch

i'd like to ask but in terms of percentages using the best possible combinations for each room what would be best to use in a situation for more resources and a "stable" situation?

[valid storm]

yes

[valid storm]

That midriff... But where are the abs???

[craggy bough]

But to have a 252 base wouldnt i need all the right side or atleast most of it at lvl1? (sorry bad english)

[valid storm]

max level right 252 can outperform 243

[craggy bough]

and i need to have all dorms lvl 1 right?

[jaunty notch]

2111

pins

[valid storm]

uhh... there's a pinned chart explaining the levels

[craggy bough]

didnt notice that one

[wind otter]

Vulcan doesn't make sense but Vermeil taking time makes sense, HG had to wait and see if the original Verm artists would be arrested or not

[upper jewel]

Which 5 Star should I Promote for base improvement?

[valid storm]

You should check the pinned base combo guide to see which one helps you the most with your current rooster

[ebon beacon]

Does anyone have a cn account? I'm curious about the multiple factions change, was wondering if anyone can test if skadi alt is AH now

Also, not even sure if it is base & combat or just combat or what

[simple violet]

I'm still rotating both - what did I miss?

[raw mulch]

Is it possible to change 243 to 252?

[leaden grove]

Yes, check pins🫡

[raw mulch]

Ty

[glossy dust]

kestrel E2 skill works at E0?

[fluid pollen]

Yes.

It’s just a smiley so not impactful but still have to wonder if they just coded all smiley skills to work at e0.

[raw mulch]

Which one should I upgrade?

[vivid spoke]

Factory ofc

[leaden grove]

Factory if you have proviso, tp if not

[jaunty notch]

it's just our own optimal rotations. Since you login less frequently you def should still use them

[jaunty notch]

I'll test it after 1/5, don't even know if the change is applied already

[vivid spoke]

Ah yes, Gladia will die even faster if it was true🐧

[valid storm]

another reason not to use AH operators

[vivid spoke]

They’re really fun in combat tho

[valid storm]

no

[fluid pollen]

Slower. You’d put her in dorms if that was the case.

[autumn hawk]

who do i upgrade for lgd n exp

[fluid pollen]

Refer to /baseskills in #bot-spam.

@valid storm who wrote /baseskills? Conviction’s base skill column seems to be empty.

[valid storm]

whut

[fluid pollen]

Ye you can check.

[valid storm]

Huh

technically this was a screenshot from the base combo guide, in the past it had a newbie section

[fluid pollen]

Oh hmm ic.

[valid storm]

we can make a new one, as we have a changed newbie section on the current spreadsheet

[fluid pollen]

[vivid spoke]

I thought she only gets the bonus when no AH is in a non-dorm facility

[fluid pollen]

Afaik it has no such requirement.

[vague finch]

genuinely, what am I doing wrong here that I'm making very bad lmd?

[ebon beacon]

not sure what the expected is with those teams but you're averaging between 1,500-2,000 per trade order

note that with a 3 slot TP proviso can provide no benefit on 2K orders, though the extra production from the 3rd slot should offset this enough with strong operators, maybe your operators aren't good enough yet for that 3rd slot to be worth it?

[vague finch]

i'm trying to maximize both proviso and shamare team but it isn't really helping (any tips would be appriciated)

[ebon beacon]

is your shamare team all E2?

[vague finch]

yep

[ebon beacon]

what % of the time are they active vs your 2nd string team?

is it 50/50?

or 66/33?

[vague finch]

66/33, my factory gets reseted every 12 hours, but i reset my trading post every 24 hours

i run a 252

[ebon beacon]

oh if you run a 2/5/2 you should 100% reduce your proviso TP to 2 slots and increase 1 of your factories by 1 slot

in case you're not aware, a 3 slot TP can create 2K orders which proviso doesn't influence, a 2 slot TP can never create 2k orders so proviso benefits every single order

also the 2k orders take the longest to complete

[vague finch]

ooh i see

[ebon beacon]

so not only do you get proviso benefit more often you also get orders faster

the downside to the 2 slot TP is lower output with your 2nd string squad

but in 2/5/2 this is offset by higher production on xp/gold bars

[vague finch]

yeah for my 2nd string squad, i just put up 30%/30%/30% because i don't know what type of combo to use

just for refrence my current base

[ebon beacon]

are you using the base combos spreadsheet?

[vague finch]

as best as i could but i don't have the major units like mr nothing and stuff

[ebon beacon]

are you looking at both the TP and Special tabs?

[vague finch]

https://krooster.com/u/JOAQIM20

these are my untis (tequila and kafka not in there because i got them after lappy banner but krooster got down after that)

[ebon beacon]

there are some TP combos in the special tab that you'll need to reference

the combos in the special tab always span across multiple rooms, which is why they're kept separate

the TP combos specifically are a ways down

[vague finch]

i see, let me check again if i have the units

[pale yoke]

Wow krooster have embeds now

[ebon beacon]

I'm not seeing a ton of opportunities, shrink your poviso TP to 2 slot and just keep getting and building more operators

also, when you look at your base summary, take the total LMD produced and divide it by the number of orders as your LMD / Order to see how that's performing

oh, 1 thing I forgot to ask, what are you droning?

[vague finch]

proviso but when i'm low on gold, factory

[ebon beacon]

ok that checks out too

I will say that my LMD / order is consistently over 2K but that is because I have fiammetta

I'm generating 25 TP orders / day with droning gold bars

but I have better operators than you do so it's just letting you know kind of what your long term goals are

[vague finch]

yeah i just need better ops but most of them locked behind kernel

[ebon beacon]

yeah it's tough to find leftover resources to pull on kernel, though for true collectors I think it's worth it to do some tactical pulls on kernel in the long run

buying all of those operators with yellow certs is pretty unrealistic

[vague finch]

atm i have 20 free kernel pulls

[ebon beacon]

the old "rule of thumb" was to never spend yellow certs on 5*

[vague finch]

so might roll for fiammeta or someone like that and hopefully luck out

[ebon beacon]

with Kernel I think you probably want to pull most of your 5* from recruit/kernel before you start spending yellow certs on them, and then only if you're like me and just want to collect every operator

[vague finch]

i'm not really a collector but i want good base ops

[ebon beacon]

with Kernel you never want to roll on it unless every single rate up operator (5 and 6*) are operators you don't have and operators you want for some reason

[vague finch]

and i'm willing to e2 them

[ebon beacon]

so saving for the "build-a-banner" is a good way to go, but you might get lucky and randomly get a good kernel banner from time to time

also, you want to still prioritize limited and collab operators that you want

so you kind of stuck with leftovers for kernel

it's probably worth while to make a list of which operators you want for game and base and then bucketize them so you can manage your pulls

[vague finch]

i see, tq but regarding the level 2 tp. why doesn't level 3 tp produce 2 gold order. i'm a bit confused about that

[ebon beacon]

I may have said dorm when I meant TP

dorms don't produce any gold

[vague finch]

oh no noo mb

i accidenlt said dorm

fixed it

[ebon beacon]

level 3 tp does produce 2 gold order, it just produces fewer since it gets cannibalized by the 4 gold orders

[vague finch]

so isn't 4 gold order better?

[ebon beacon]

I think there's a pinned base mechanics file and if you scroll through that it shows the odds at each level of TP

so 2 gold order is the fastest, 4 gold order is the slowest, and 3 gold order is the middle right

but for proviso every order is 4 gold

so would you rather want a mix of slow and fast, or a mix of slow and middle speed?

[vague finch]

ah i see now

[ebon beacon]

ok so TP 2 has a 70%/30% odds for 2g/3g orders

TP 3 has 30%/50%/20% for 2g/3g/4g orders

and ideally you would want 100% 2g orders for proviso since those are fastest

the speeds are 2g 144 minutes, 3g 210 minutes, 4g 276 minutes

arguably you could even go down to level 1 TP, but that's not enough power to upgrade a factory to level 3 anyway

for reference the 3g orders with a 30% productivity operator in your 2nd slot are 151 minutes (210 minutes / 139%)

[wooden prawn]

downgrade tp upgrade fac
with proviso use quartz(34%), to improve you can e2 vigil(40% if Reception is lvl3)

[vague finch]

i see, took me a while to under stand but tq

[ebon beacon]

actually I take it back I think a lvl 2 tp is always better because you're boosting the 2g orders to be even faster, but for the 3 gold orders to be even comparable to the un-boosted 2g orders you need at least 37% productivity from your other operator

and that's assuming you have the 7% from CC

but since the 3g orders are only happening 30% of the time and you're getting the 30-34% boost on your 2g orders 70% of the time I think it still nets out better as level 2 no matter what

[vague finch]

so bassically by producing 2g, (proviso will make it into 4), i'm making 8 gold every 288 minutes compared to making 4g every 276 minutes

[ebon beacon]

right

[vague finch]

ok demolision it is

[vague finch]

this good for proviso rotation?

[leaden grove]

Very basic but sure

[royal aspen]

Does Tequila + Proviso work or nah

[fluid pollen]

Nope, that duo has 0 prod. Though it does work in the context of when you are droning a level 3 tp, or when Shamare is the 3rd op inside the tp.

[late knot]

Am I supposed to have one TP at lvl 2????

I don’t have proviso and I’m working toward getting a Shamare-Tequila-Diamante team.

[languid blaze]

252 yes if have proviso
243 no

[arctic prism]

no proviso then no

[wind otter]

do you buy AH furniture?

[orchid bane]

I believe Wrys did not buy those

[valid storm]

Furniture is furniture

[wind otter]

that means your dedication to furniture is pure and true, but your hate for Abyssal Hunters is not that deep

[orchid bane]

[uncut dome]

[valid storm]

It is but furniture is pure, unlike those heathens

[wind otter]

Those heathens make furniture worth purchasing. Come on Wrys, if only you would open your heart a little bit you will understand that the hunters are people just like us that deserve our consideration. They have been through so much and they have sacrificed so much to protect us from the sea threat.

[valid storm]

The furniture wasn't made by them

[wind otter]

The Abyssal Hunter Lab is a recreation of the lab of which Ulpianus was lead researcher. It is a lab not only made by AHs but a tribute to them, as brave Aegir who sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

It was made before they became AH

[wind otter]

That's the problem Wrys, that you can't see that they are still people, they are still Aegir, and no little genes added here and there can't change that fact.

[valid storm]

they became monsters the moment they got se*born flesh

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

How can you harbor so much disdain for those who have given all to fight the very thing you hate?

[valid storm]

There was no need to do that

we are powerful enough

[wind otter]

Wrys, although your faith on the identity of Aegir is commendable, may I remind you of the massacre of Nest 37? Where only the Abyssal Hunters could deal with the seaborn after only 26 Aegir soldiers survived from the more than 1,000 sent? Of how Ulpianus' insights were the only thing that prevented the seaborn from overrunning Milliarium due to a traitors plan? If only you would open you heart a little bit you would see how valuable the Abyssal Hunters are.

[valid storm]

They should have asked for help from Sargon or Yan or Kazdel

[wind otter]

Do they even know how to swim? Let alone fight underwater?

[valid storm]

They know how to nuke the seas, so no need to swim

[uncut dome]

Wrys went straight to the most violent option

[valid storm]

or we could ask the folks at Colombia, they know how to make ships or submarines

[valid storm]

I'm not simply nuking them, I'm cooking them alive in a sea heated by nukes

[wind otter]

Wrys, I don't have to remind you that the Aegir are the most advanced civilization on Terra and their aquatic vehicles and underwater expertise only led to 26 survivors from over a thousand. The Aegir called for help and Iberia "barely" answered. The generosity of Columbia is being overstated. I doubt they would lend help before the seaborn are at their door.

[wind otter]

If we nuke the seas lots of Aegir will die.

[valid storm]

Columbia got a spaceship, Aegir don't

[valid storm]

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to take

[wind otter]

That was Rhine and the spaceship is gone.

[wind otter]

I'm glad the Abyssal Hunters are the monsters here.

[valid storm]

still, Rhine has tech that's way more advanced than what Aegir got
What Aegir knows better is genetic engineering

[scarlet coral]

btw even though the answer you were given was technically correct the answer is still no because tequila doesn't affect defaulted orders from proviso

[fluid pollen]

Filthy seaborns.

🚮

[wind otter]

Aegir technology is more advanced than Rhine technology. Rhine is doing some headways here and there but Aegir are in a whole different level. They have had access to Predecessor technology for a long time now which shows in their vehicles and even AI knowledge (Little Handy). What Kirsten and Rhine did was make a big rocket and power things using Predecessor energy (sarcophagi) to reach space.

[foggy willow]

bibeak can be replaced by kafka right? who else can slot in?

[fluid pollen]

Diamanté and Paprika.

All same skill.

[foggy willow]

ok nvm im just gonna run with e0 for them

[inner ocean]

That's mah boi, Arene

and with naturally tired ops too

[autumn hawk]

Is this TP lineup good
Kafka Tequila Shamare
E0 Jaye Texas E2 Lappland
Catapult Gummy Midnight
E0 Mousse E1 Fang E0 Yato

for 252

[valid storm]

Do you have Provisio?

[pale yoke]

[uncut dome]

[fluid pollen]

[valid storm]

[orchid bane]

Reported

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

[prime quartz]

Hey, I'm trying to spend a little bit of time to setup an optimized base based on the operators I have, but the different guides are a bit overwhelming

Is there a sheet (or calculator) where I can input the operators I have (maybe even save them) and output the best teams I can make ?

Or should I just use the Arknights Base Combo Guide Google sheet and manually make my teams (and painfully upgrade my teams whenever I get a new operator or upgrade one)

[arctic prism]

base combo guide
if you have most. ops, can also try starting from one of the sample rotations in the base combo guide and replacing pieces that you dont have

currently there isn't any resource that can generate rotations for you

[prime quartz]

Welp, figured
I don't have most operators, so I guess I'll have to do it the hard way

[arctic prism]

iirc there are also some sample rotations for players on the other end of the spectrum with few ops so can try to look at that one as well

[prime quartz]

Yeah, I also saw that beginner page, with an accurate short name of "NOOB", but while I'm fairly new, I'm not just starting and got a bunch of operators here and there

So... yeah, the hard way

[round lichen]

Maybe once I finish finals I will make a checksheet for the SPECIAL tab so that people can select whichever combo pieces they have and easily see what CC setup will give them the highest production, since a lot of ppl complain that the base guide doesn’t account for missing pieces

Not that it’s a valid critique, every interaction is explained well and EN needs to learn to read for sure, but it at least show which people want base help and which just want to whine at Gato

[leaden grove]

IMO start with noob tab and either using excel or the base presets in game, set yourself up a “minimum viable” rotation, then build from there with combos. That might help you not get lost in the weeds too bad.

[prime quartz]

It'd be nice indeed,
Maybe Arknights just has way too many operators to make that approch viable, but just an "operator owned" page (E0/2) that would grey out the operator not owned/upgraded in other pages would make the guide so so much easier to use

You know, the lack of sorting by name or the inability to read base skill in game isn't helping

Anything that doesn't revolve around "go into the base, pick your operator one by one and see how well that Operator is doing compared to the noob guide" as the tedious basic strategy

[jaunty notch]

You’d need a website for that

Maybe something krooster would have in the future

[jaunty notch]

People definitely lost the “adapt” part of surviving after being spoon-fed for way too long

[jaunty notch]

you can check the INFO tab for some sample rots I made across my progression of the game

[terse steeple]

Is anyone calculating MSV anymore now that that one Google sheet is apparently abandoned?

[jaunty notch]

msv?

[terse steeple]

Material sanity value

Ie not just expected sanity per mat, but also calculating the relative value of each mat considering what else drops from its most efficient farming stages

[jaunty notch]

iirc moe's been out of it for a while

you def can use penguin in the mean time

[terse steeple]

They don't calculate MSV

[arctic prism]

rip moe

used to only use his sheet up until it stopped getting updates

[jaunty notch]

Can’t say i feel the same importance of the material san value since I am swimming in them though

[arctic prism]

the next closest thing you can take a look at is luzark's planner? although that one is a lot more detailed + kind of a pain to set up iirc but should be tailored to your specific needs afterward

[jaunty notch]

Probably ping him for the info

[arctic prism]

yea i've also stopped caring since then

[arctic prism]

@terse steeple fyi

but yea for moe sheet was super useful back in year 1/2 just to get that stockpile of mats going lol

[pale yoke]

[arctic prism]

general rule of thumb tho is big event - tier 3 mat nodes are prob more efficient than chapter/side story nodes except for rocks which is always going to be 1-7, for currently ongoing events i'm p sure you can go to #bot-spam and there should be a command to double check the stages
once you have enough stored away to be able to raise anyone at a moment's notice just farm whatever event node during event and whatever else outside event 🤷

small events generally dont need to farm tho

[pale yoke]

same i have so much mats now i dont really need any of the farming stage this event lol
even the previous one during vina i just went to red cert and 1-7 after all store item aquired

[arctic prism]

lol i just like seeing big number go up

[pale yoke]

like it will only goes up when you play for so long

im at over 400+ each mats, newer mats close to 300

[arctic prism]

yea thats where im at too lol

is kinda fun trying to balance out all the mats idk

like trying to get them all to 500 or smth

[pale yoke]

eh i dont necessarily stive toward that, it just kinda happen

[arctic prism]

makes sense

ig it's just some small milestone to look forward to for me

[pale yoke]

gona burn a lot after chip patch tho, any% e2

[arctic prism]

tru

[pale yoke]

but also bottleneck by chip

[arctic prism]

yea thats also tru

gotta start farming chips lowkey

didnt think about that

[pale yoke]

i've been farming chip whenever there's a gap

[arctic prism]

thats smart lol

[pale yoke]

[scarlet coral]

rest ops button shouldn't take out dorm skill ops tbh

[wind otter]

Next update will fix that

[valid storm]

[wind otter]

I have no use for it though

[pale yoke]

not until it knows how to optimize rest priority or save previous action

[wind otter]

exactly

I would rather have the button for removing operators from dorm rows or individually back

[valid storm]

why? you aren't running Shu squad?

[wind otter]

Since rest ops doesn't know how to rest ops I want in the dorms I want in the order I want, I still need to put them to rest manualy, so no dorm skill ops are automatically removed

[valid storm]

The order shouldn't matter

unless you are a 252 minmaxxer

[trim flicker]

have low resources income, checks arknights discord for base tips
read the guide, needs some operators on specific elite levels to unlock their base skills
no resource to upgrade operators/dont have said operators themselves
backtosquare1.jpg

i guess its baby steps

[wind otter]

There's no other way to be.

[wind otter]

The spreadsheet has a Noob tab with low investment options and some don't even require promotions. But yeah, if you are thinking of bringing your base to the next level it's going to cost you and the return of investment will be witnessed by your grandchildren ||(except Proviso which you should promote as soon as you get her),||

[valid storm]

that's why we have a noob section on the spreadsheet

[valid storm]

I believe that HG will buff 243 to the point where it outperforms 252

[trim flicker]

yeah currently using all the noob section and just now promoting proviso but damn i thought i'd have all i needed before i read the guide
||clearly not if its just now that i'm promoting proviso||

[pale yoke]

that's pretty much expected for a 5y'o game

[wind otter]

I came to 252 from 243 so in the hypothetical case that HG does this, I will have no philosophical dilemma in reverting back, unlike those with un-upgraded facilities who could upgrade to then see HG introduce ops that would benefit 252 more after the upgrades.

HG would really need to add very 243 specific ops to make that happen and it would be hilarious.

[wind otter]

It's Arknights, just when you think you slayed the boss he has a second phase

[uncut dome]

[valid storm]

or just boost production based on pps

[wind otter]

The HG dilemma:

"252 is too powerful, base enthusiast are content with it, gives too much production, we must destroy it! We must make 243 the standard so that 252 is defeated. How do we do it? Turning 243 even more powerful and yielding even more production!"

[wind otter]

yeah, base setups in numbers are not acknowledged ingame so skills like those are pretty much what I refer to, also dorm level skills, office lvl, etc.

[raw mulch]

Which one should i drone?

[trim flicker]

that TP2 is that proviso's?

or

[raw mulch]

Yep

[trim flicker]

the proviso's tp is the drone target

[raw mulch]

Should I pull the drones on that?

[trim flicker]

in proviso setup yes, but how many gold FC do u have? do u have enough gold bars?

[raw mulch]

Rn I have like 25 gold bars

3 factories including one factory lvl 3 produce gold bars

[trim flicker]

sorry my perception of the amount of goldbars might be fkd since i've only recently moved to a more efficient setup, so i have like 6k gold bars right now

i dont know if its enough or not, so yea i cant say for sure

lets wait the other more qualified people to read this and verify LOL

[south night]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SixW_LMuizJ-fOlRuytX623dP0-bVWfxtaM8WwYpYRQ/edit?gid=1187734891
I'm having difficulty understanding the combos in the first sheet in this RIIC document, can anyone explain why Tuye + Kirara + Pozemka can outcompete the Monster Hunter Team, or why Provisio and Tequila was somehow thrown in the Situational category?
Is he farming Originium?

I'm struggling to understand how there's gold-only base skills but Provisio is benched.

[fluid pollen]

Proviso isn’t benched but actually added in before each order is produced. This is because Proviso herself has no innate production value and having a production op is more efficient. Micro-managing by using timers to keep track of order production time is known as cursed Proviso.

[south night]

Wait, so right before an order is generated, switching her in?

[fluid pollen]

Tequila is managed in the same way here as both Teq and Proviso have skills that only activate on order generation.

Yes.

[south night]

That makes a lot of sense.

But sounds unfortunate.

[fluid pollen]

While sleeping/not being willing to do it, one can just place them in the tps, replacing the lower prod op.

[vivid spoke]

Why does it sound so cursed

[fluid pollen]

It’s more cursed in text than it is in practice. But I’ve certainly not managed to do it for long myself each time.

[south night]

So out of curiosity, what's up with the Pozy + Kirara + Tuye combo?

[fluid pollen]

Too much effort tho some people here do it religiously.

[south night]

All the dorms occupied by Durins?

[fluid pollen]

You’ll just have 4 durins in base yeah.

Not exactly sure about the math behind it but it’s prob better prod than 80%/81% if he’s running it.

Smth smth gold fac + gold line count = prod.

[south night]

Gotcha.

Without Provisio and Tequila the slightly less optimized combos just make an appearance.

Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it.

[surreal folio]

Shamare best thing to pick up from 6th ani voucher interms of base if im missing her?

[vivid spoke]

Do you have Proviso 🐧

[pale yoke]

i do

[plain gust]

Hello, not quite sure i understand how the fish squad works in base
Should i spread them 2 in a factory and 2 in another ? if i'm not mistaken that's 80% for 2 factories right ?

[eternal plover]

I have two presets for every room in my base but I can't use the main rotate button in the overview menu, why?

[junior lotus]

the main rotate is only for when everyone is dead

[pale yoke]

basically trying to discourage min max/stagger

"if you want to use this function let your team die"

those packs aint gona sell itself amirite

[wind otter]

Don't run out of gold, Proviso best bang for your drone but she burns through gold fast so pay attention to gold stash and drone gold if needed. No need for LMD? Drone EXP instead.

[wind otter]

oh no, I had not come to terms with the implications of giving Rosmo masteries

[plain gust]

Hi, i'm sure the base enthusiasts will want to scream, and bleed a bit from the eyes, but i have a very basic 252, 2 shifts setup and would want both feedback and advice
I'm currently using a worse version of this and am building everything to be ready to go at once
As you can see, i have some blanks in some facilities, because i'm not quite sure what to use there, 25% workers feel a bit icky for example
Also please forgive the very basic spreadsheet format, i'm sparing you my good old .txt

Also a link to my krooster as it may be of use

https://krooster.com/u/mayuhiko

[round lichen]

Since Gladiia dies extremely quickly, The AH team can only work about 8 hours, while Proviso can work 36 hours with Młynar+Flametail+Vivi. You could E2 Rathalos NC and use Kirin Yato + him in CC, then TRC will give 41% to Proviso. Kirin Yato and Rathalos NC will lose morale faster than Młynar, so you could do 16 hours of Knights & MonHun followed by 8 hours of Knights + Abyssals + Swire

Also I would recommend having 1 Lv 3 gold fac and 1 Lv 3 XP fac. E2 Bryophyta gets more value in a Lv 3 fac

[plain gust]

bryo was e0 here but i'll change that and rearrange my shifts too, will add e2ing rathalos to my list
thanks !

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

put that E2 Mumu in PP and shove 5 Rhine ops in dorms, training rooms, etc.

[orchid bane]

When will we know the new baseskill

[wind otter]

6 hrs and 20 smth minutes

[orchid bane]

[jaunty notch]

[wind otter]

officially

[jaunty notch]

what do you mean, that's the only way

[wind otter]

blackgato already on the move

I'm seeing things, but I may be daydreaming

[jaunty notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390756814532378634/1366519297429606451/copy_2FAD1A79-37A4-4D89-90D7-0618E037E3A8.gif

[wind otter]

[wind otter]

I'm cry

[wind otter]

I have dreams of TPs, dorms, and reception

[jaunty notch]

I had a nightmare where haimao buffed 243

@wind otter

this is my fat duck

she keeps my slaves alive

[wind otter]

What a nightmare, it can't possibly be possible, possibly?

[wind otter]

Imagine dreaming of entering the RI landship and you see this welcoming at Reception. Silly dreams.

[uncut dome]

I sleep

[jaunty notch]

you want me to sing you a lullaby?

[wind otter]

tonight HG does the singing

[uncut dome]

At least the team looks good without a CC slot

[leaden grove]

[jaunty notch]

||Orundumb||

[uncut dome]

Yeaa

[jaunty notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1044287605770031184/saystheleveltwofactory.gif

[leaden grove]

Weird hypothetical theory, I wonder what will come of it

[summer kernel]

Oops, they were talking about it in the CN lounge channel. Looking forward to any updates to your spreadsheet in a few hours

[jaunty notch]

you can always look at it now

reread my funny lines

[inner ocean]

nice, Vigil can finally retire.

[pale yoke]

[inner ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390756814532378634/1366519297429606451/copy_2FAD1A79-37A4-4D89-90D7-0618E037E3A8.gif

[orchid bane]

Right now I am using delphine without amiya

Time to change back to amiya now, more than 10% improve

[inner ocean]

ok so.....I'm guessing the triple Laterano TP ain't worth it if we're still using Tequila and Proviso?

[vivid spoke]

I’m waiting for s.o to test AH on CN 🐧

[inner ocean]

ngl having class filters really makes the manual searching for base ops so much faster (if what you need to do doesn't include the presets)

[round dock]

I wish we had Dorm presets

[jaunty notch]

nothing new

[summer kernel]

Exu alter doesn't count itself as Laterano?

[jaunty notch]

you really need to wait for her to be released and check the listed ops that she counts

which doesn't include herself yeah

[summer kernel]

130% wasn't even meta but I guess it would be better than Glasgow since no CC slot needed.

Oh well. at least we all get a RR buff for welfare

[inner ocean]

so Proviso and TEquila are still the top 2?

[jaunty notch]

that will never change

[summer kernel]

Nothing changed even if she did count.

[jaunty notch]

anytime you have a good time, it'll just be that time + proviso/teq aid

they're modifiers not a set team

[summer kernel]

Until Pepe team. Trust 🙏

[jaunty notch]

haha keep coping

riic channel's strongest point is it's coping gas

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[inner ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-doctor-doctor-arknights-walter-arknights-all-in-gif-14588663795915241699

[jaunty notch]

i thought 243 got a win, but it's the same old L

[inner ocean]

you mean the laterano TP?

[jaunty notch]

yeah cuz it needed archetto

but hey

why cope

[inner ocean]

Good thing blender's free

well, doesn't stop me from pulling in the banner 6 months from now anyways

the sisters are promising gameplay-wise

[jaunty notch]

i'm just collecting all ops now

[inner ocean]

my luck is total shit and i still want to limit topping up as much as i can

i'm also not too motivated to completely get everyone

at least the only thing that forces my hand is to get the limiteds so i don't have to spark in the future

[jaunty notch]

Thanks, i hate it here

[valid storm]

should have just skipped this part saying that training operators are all trash

[plain gust]

Hi, so with multi faction on CN, is spalter considered an AH for base purposes ? Is she factory fish#5 now ? or still an alter only

[jaunty notch]

no

[craggy bough]

for a guy who is forgetful about schedules is it worth trying to do staggered rotations?

[winged hollow]

this batch is not good?

[round lichen]

The TP team is disappointing, but Sankta Male is a good buff to RR

Make your voices heard folks!

[orchid bane]

Don't worry. Yostar will listen to you and send their feedback to HG in no time

[valid storm]

nah, make the left side undowngradable

[orchid bane]

Do you guys feel good when you log in the game and see this ?

Or 134 back then

[vital oriole]

that I caught it in time? yes

though I prefer -2 so I have the time to spend it w/o maxing out

[valid storm]

no, because it's more than 6 runs

[orchid bane]

If the map you are farming you don't have the 1st try shield then you don't have to worry about that, it will -1 right when you got in

If it has then well. -0.5 san maybe ?

[orchid bane]

6 run Voucher ?

[vital oriole]

not if doing a support stage

[valid storm]

no, 6*21 = 126 which is way less than 180

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

I went to sleep and somehow Exalter got worse

[winged hollow]

is gladiia a good cc ops than kal?

[vital oriole]

potentially, but hella time limited

[winged hollow]

how long can she last?

[vital oriole]

8 hours with 4 AH ops iirc?

and she's only better if you have at least 4 working

now that ops can be more than 1 faction we'll get more AH ops, right HG? Right?

[winged hollow]

I have limited slots so can only put 3 in fac and 1 in dorm, is that working?

[vital oriole]

nope, all 4 have to be working, and you can't have more than 2 AH in a single factory

[winged hollow]

how long until it cap with 3 in the same fac?

[vital oriole]

the same rate as 3 30% ops

the spread is because of the ability, not overfill

total bonus ina given factory can't be higher than 90%

2 ah = 80%, 3 = 90%

[winged hollow]

what if i check every 6h?

[vital oriole]

isn't related to the issue

[winged hollow]

I read the guide but no issue about put 3 in fac, they only said only put 2 why?

[vital oriole]

^

[winged hollow]

and why is that?

[vital oriole]

have you actually ever read gladiia's ability?

[winged hollow]

I mean she died fast right

[vital oriole]

ah hm, thought the game text actually mentioned it

[winged hollow]

isn't an issue to me if I fia it before it happened no?

[vital oriole]

the ability has an artificial restriction on how big the bonus you get can be

capping out at 90% per factory

[winged hollow]

[vital oriole]

so 3 AH ops in a single factory only gives 90% instead of 120% of you have 4 working

[winged hollow]

alright I skip that text sr

I let them run exp so just pair them with any 35%

feater e2 conviction or cs e2

[vital oriole]

yup

[winged hollow]

I don't want to e2 cs bro she is sunk cost

[vital oriole]

already did

(granted I e2 everyone)

[winged hollow]

I have 3 dead combos can't pair with others ops

4

so only 1 flex fac

so as my calculation run gladiia combo is still better than 3x35%

[vital oriole]

yup

[winged hollow]

oh shit I have to e2 cs 😭

because conviction and feater are on another combo

[round lichen]

So Mumu still doesn’t consider herself Rhine Lab after the faction update?

[pale yoke]

her skill explicitly says "every other"

[runic condor]

Help do you guys build lv3 workshop?

Is there any base layout docs there?

[wicked canopy]

you need 60 drones, looks like you only have 53 in the screenshot. drones recover over time, so you'll just need to wait a bit

[tender junco]

What this room for

[frosty trail]

You increase the skill levels of operators.

[tender junco]

Do i need to upgrade my op skills first?

[trim flicker]

to level 7 yes

[tender junco]

Aight ty

[wind otter]

I may do the dumb dumb and full pot the Ex2

[jaunty notch]

What if you dreamt that she was good

Maybe i let you inhaled copium when you were in bed

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[wind otter]

but I am 252, I was immune

I like how the survey sent yesterday after reset hours before the EX stages would open asks you whether the challenge mode stages were something that made you like this event

[inner ocean]

That just means you answered it too early

[wind otter]

I got to the survey later but if a survey shouldn't be answered so soon I wouldn't expect it to become available yet.

[pale yoke]

me ignoring they survey as usual

[wind otter]

bro, you don't want free pull, what's wrong with you?

[orchid bane]

Exu alt 30% ?

New 30% in 2025 ?

[rigid beacon]

nuuu i dint get lapptop but szusuru's mom~

so...is she good~

[orchid bane]

Since you ask here she and suzu are as good as 2 ch'en

Not as good as Ines, laios 3 pp, Caper clue exchange, Enforcer 8.5hr

[wind otter]

for base

[valid storm]

Nope, she's a 2 slot 50% RR person, which just doesn't worth it

RR slaves are a scam

not as much as Office or TR slaves though

[vivid spoke]

TR slaves are good for someone with FOMO tho 🐧

[valid storm]

They gain what? An hour?

Not worth the mats

[vivid spoke]

An hour is an hour 🐧

[valid storm]

An hour more or less doesn't matter when you log in every 12h

[wind otter]

why don't you login every 11 hrs?

[valid storm]

work and sleep

[wind otter]

oh

[uncut dome]

[rigid beacon]

what..she looks op though how~

wait this isnt help channel~

[valid storm]

Yea, we only care about the baseskills here

[peak heron]

is there a reason silence alter isn’t listed here

[valid storm]

yes, she isn't considered Rhine Lab

[peak heron]

huh really?

she has the logo tho

[valid storm]

Base works in strange ways

[wind otter]

alters are their own division in base

and it sucks monkey balls

[peak heron]

but lappland alter’s base talent includes both her original and alter

[valid storm]

didn't CN got a fix for that though?

[peak heron]

base skills are truly a mystery

[wind otter]

nope, it was wishful copium

[valid storm]

🚮

[wind otter]

they made an exception for the trainer skill we don't need

[valid storm]

oh right, I should check the new base skills

[peak heron]

viviana’s skill’s knight faction also includes both nearl and NTR

they just hate silence i guess

[wind otter]

"Knight" is a special division, these people are really from Kazimierz

[peak heron]

yeah but point is, i don’t think silence alter got excluded on the basis of being an alter

and yeah i checked and it’s not just the description being incorrect, muelsyse doesn’t get the buff from silence alter

oh well whatever

[wind otter]

The rule is to do what you did, click on the applicable base operators to see what's what. But if the skill is too good, like the Abyssal Hunters, you can be they will disqualify as many people as possible

because we can't have nice things

[valid storm]

yeah

And it seems that Gracebearer is trash, Confess is kinda useless, Sankta mech is great, 30% clue when Fia is in the Dorm, and she's 24/7 there, Lem is 45% TP, kinda good and Exalter is also 45% basically, so they are good

[steel dagger]

What's average cc rotation for average player? Assuming if they have mlynar

I thought mlynar was overrated and I think I'm getting out of touch of what average player does

I'm assuming it's tp 7%, factory 2% and mlynar + 2 other smiley?

[orchid bane]

Just heard that exia alt doesn't count herself

And for that she is 30% max

[steel dagger]

Uxe2 doesn't change anything to tp meta right?

[valid storm]

WHAT

Literal trash

[orchid bane]

Exia and Lemuen are already 80%

Don't have to use Arche 3rd slot

[valid storm]

So, Exu + Lem + Provisio is a good combo?

[orchid bane]

As good as 2 40% and prov

[rigid beacon]

hey~

[orchid bane]

We have plenty of 40% now

[rigid beacon]

anyone can help with presets~

i need help~

[valid storm]

it's worse than SA + Jaye

and Nothing + idk is already there

Ah, I pair him with Eben

we need a sui with global 7% TP

no, a Sui with 7% TP below 12 morale and 2% fac above 12 morale

[maiden wave]

should i prioritize getting fia from shoperator for base

and what 6*s are used for base again, like eunectus fart etc etc

[valid storm]

buying operators purely for the base isn't recommended and you should check out the 4th link on the second pin, it has all of the operators use in teams

[maiden wave]

yeah but i dont really know which to nab first in terms of significance

ROI is long dead for me since i wanna see numbers go up

[wicked canopy]

fia is the most impactful single 6* you can get for base imo

[inner ocean]

I'm tempted to skip Thornstar purely because I just feel like the improvements is not worth me just pulling for base these days

[pale yoke]

Furniture

[valid storm]

Yes, spend all of your on if you lack

[severe whale]

Teq Sham Bib still beats Exualt Lem + 40%?

[leaden grove]

Probably

[round lichen]

Exu alt is strictly worse than Exu. And even with Lemuen + Exu, Sham Teq Bib still wins

[leaden grove]

Community seems to have dug up the various ops with multi-faction. Can we say that base is unaffected by this update?

[round dock]

gonna be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the new UI

I keep forgetting to put Fia'd targets back to work

[wind otter]

huh?

[round dock]

I'll do my normal Fia thing, and forget they aren't working anymore

since Dorms and other rooms are separate tabs

all I usually focus on is the dorms

since I'm AO farming, Dorm space/schedules are awful

[languid blaze]

in base
fia
facility
forgot to put op in drom
out base

[round dock]

oh, I put them in dorm, just forget to put them back in facility

mainly because dorm rotations are around Fia time right now

[uncut dome]

Try to Fia first before rotating workers

[round dock]

I do

Fia happens when it's just her and Durin

then I'll put the other ops in that need rested, and forget to put the worker back to work

[wind otter]

I can understand the separate tabs things (maybe you review thing by looking at who is working and find out mistakes or something), but when you just Fia-ed someone but forget to put him/her back to work, that is an act of forgetting in just a matter of seconds, I'm surprised

[round dock]

I'm struggling all around in game these days

IS5's kicking my rear, pull mats are really low, this is just part of the mess

[wind otter]

Well, take it easy. You can't allow yourself to be that stressed. I was starting to think you were Clive Wearing.

[round dock]

I don't even know who that is

[wind otter]

it's some dude who has a 7 seconds memory

[round dock]

Yeah, I looked him up, that's kind of incredible

No, I can recall things I did years ago, I think I'm just getting too busy/distracted as of late

[pale yoke]

[valid storm]

happens a lot to me, that's why some days I run one of my TP with SA+Jaye or Nothing+Eben

[wind otter]

I suppose you mean tabs being different leading to not seeing ops that are missing, shouldn't be there, not about forgetting to return the op you just recovered with Fia

[valid storm]

Yes

So Provisio sits idle in the dorm

[wind otter]

I see

[summer kernel]

Gato, for your TP-only E0/1 Jaye teams, is E2 Rose Salt the better option (with SA) than Lapp+Texas for the E1 team and second best option for E0? Does she not work with Jaye? I don't see her listed. Nor Chilchuck who is 30+1CAP at E0

[jaunty notch]

Honestly it’s probably me just not giving a f about that team, I’ll take a look later

[jaunty notch]

Yeah you're right (by 1%), I'll fix it. Btw, Chil is limited so i just decided against putting him outside of his own team.

[lament orchid]

Hi guys, could someone pls help me understand gnosis team for trading post?

[valid storm]

yes, which part needs clarification?
Basically it's uses Karlan operators who get TP limit buffs, and if you use Jaye, those TP limits will be turned into TP efficiency

[vague geyser]

with the new multi faction update, does Vina now get +30% productivity from Morgan and Delphine?

[orchid bane]

Wait , will there be that update ?

[vague geyser]

https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/s/HpD1FiSXJ7

[gusty pike]

How should I be utilizing my drones?

[wicked canopy]

If you have proviso or the shamare team, they're the most efficient place to spend drones
Otherwise, just drone TP or factories based on whatever resource you need at the moment

[orchid bane]

[orchid bane]

OMG

Just read the link

165% TP team with 1 slot CC

And I will not feel bad for E1 Jaye any longer

Oh wait I skipped Vina

[stoic spoke]

[stoic spoke]

dw
https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/1kduyzs/comment/mqdw9ln/

[orchid bane]

What a shame

But then

What is the point of adding it really ?

[wild ice]

for gameplay purposes i guess

[round dock]

Is there an explanation of the rotate button anywhere? (The one that does all)

Does it just rotate in ops, or does it follow the 1/2/3 formation for all?

[jaunty notch]

you will be able to see the operator listing in the skill itself

i alr tested them out yeah

it's like how exu doesn't count either version of herself as laterano

LMFAO even gongsun is pissed

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-saber-kamen-rider-falchion-bacht-bahato-masashi-taniguchi-gif-21577602

[gloomy mantle]

what's exu2's base skill

[vivid spoke]

I'm still waiting for 2nd Proviso

[vague geyser]

[strong pecan]

I have too much gold bars and idk what's the best presets for base originium

[valid storm]

the same as for everything else, you just change the prod of one of the factiories to

[strong pecan]

Oh by presets I mean base op presets

[valid storm]

oh

for TP, highest % team, for fac I used them:
and a sub

[strong pecan]

Oh I have all these

And I just remembered I didn't e2 Ceylon for some reason

[vivid spoke]

Just tried to do cursed Proviso for the first time and I let her stay in the dorm for night as a result 🤡

[fluid pollen]

[wind otter]

Spreadsheet, QOL tab, Quick Rotate/Rest All option text under I Portatori section

[ancient forge]

are there any efficient base guide videos?

as long as its not outdated, ill watch it lol

[glossy dust]

You can check pin 4 for team combos. As for videos, eh... someone here probably knows better

[round dock]

thanks

[random jetty]

ghost pinger evil ass individual

[stoic spoke]

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

[summer kernel]

Which building mats and how many drones are used for the 3 activity rooms in the latest CN update?

[unique mauve]

with the new update I've seen that they added factions to some ops who are now are multifactions. Does Vina, who also got the Glasgow tag, gets the bonus from Delphine/Morgan in tp? Or are they gameplay only?

[round lichen]

10 green mats, 12 blue mats, 15 purple mats, 300 drones

[round lichen]

The multifaction update has no effect on base as far as we have seen

[unique mauve]

they really hate us

[ionic glacier]

currently cycling the following for trade posts, would like advice in working in eben to buff ros (whether or not it's even worth it is also in doubt, i suppose):

cycle pozy/tuye/proviso -> tequila/sham/bibeak -> sa/jaye/swire alter

there's no space for eben in any of these three combos of course

use the three sets to occupy 2 level 3 tp

[pallid isle]

I would say part of the extreme cope leads us to getting baited but

[indigo robin]

Does the e1 jaye combo not work without gnosis?

[pallid isle]

I never saw muti faction even an idea until now lol

So I was hard baited

[pallid isle]

Karlen really needs gnosis

[indigo robin]

Oh pity

Can anyone explain to me how this stats works. Proviso team only has 34% is that bad

[pallid isle]

What exactly are you confused about? Or what stats? Proviso ideally would be with a 40% partner like vigil (if rr3), TRC but quartz isn't bad

[round lichen]

How much of the PI/WP combo do you have? I would recommend Mr. Nothing and Eben to work with Proviso, but it’s not worth if you don’t have at least Mulberry + Saileach, not to mention all the Sui siblings and Virtuosa being necessary to unlock its full potential

[glossy dust]

how much do I loose out if I drop caper and just use
chen + ines
vulpi + suzu
Kinda annoying to use caper with the loadout system

[round lichen]

Credits aren’t that valuable, the most valuable thing you can buy with them are recruitment permits. If you don’t want to use Caper you aren’t losing too much. That said, if you’re going to bother with the whole clue exchange system in the first place, it takes far more effort to activate an exchange than it does to tap the RR, deselect Chen, filter for snipers, and put Caper in

[low junco]

is quartz e1 roi fast enough if it's only improvin on another 30% shift with proviso (consider 34% because 2 exp) ?

[wind otter]

You mean Gnosis Order Cap team? He is so important the whole thing was named after him. No Gnosis = 80%

[wind otter]

Looks about what you would expect if you don't have a higher percentage partner for Proviso... and if you don't curse Proviso.

[jaunty notch]

you can use e1 no CC teams which can go up to 97% rn

[verbal cave]

I run 243 right now, should I make the switch to 252 w/ max right? Or the difference is minimal? I'm at the very end game rn

[glad wave]

@jaunty notch credit oxide for this instead. all i did was make a table based on his research after all.

[round lichen]

Make the switch. It is literally so easy

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

[wind otter]

once again the 252 propaganda leading people astray from the unlimited profits of trust gains smh

[wild ice]

the 6 trust rooms in CN:

[wind otter]

yeah, they make 243 run on steroids, it's crazy

[fluid pollen]

They get > 200% trust.

It’s incredible.

[wind otter]

EXP and LMD are temporary, Trust is forever

[pale yoke]

can't argue with that

[verbal cave]

Is there any rotation/setup that makes 243 better than 252?

[tranquil river]

what's considered good base income?

are there ballpark ranges?

[vivid spoke]

70k+lmd 120+ golds and 32k+ exp if you drone TP I believe

[pale yoke]

60klmd 50kgold 28k xp is decent imo

i think 12hr rotation ballpark around that number

[wild ice]

i’m struggling to even reach 70k and i drone proviso with pozy team

[uncut dome]

50k goldbars wtf

[wild ice]

probably meant 50k LMD’s worth of gold bars lul

[dire storm]

so 252 huh...

I have been on 243 for a while, about to get rosmos. Without Dusk i think it might be better to swtich back to 252

[inner ocean]

but, isn't using EXP and LMD considered as FOREVER progress? Those modules, promotions and levels are never being erased from us.

[vivid spoke]

Just get 2 gold bars order more often

[stoic spoke]

isn't 70k normal with proviso drone

and shamare in the 2nd tp

[fluid pollen]

Not exactly, if running the normal stuff as mr it’ll probably cap out 67k-68k.

[vivid spoke]

I think a normal MR proviso + exodia and Shamare can produce much more than that

[fluid pollen]

That’s the normal stuff I was talking about.

Unfortunately it doesn’t help when your Nothing is 60% and the sub is 40/41%.

We try.

[vivid spoke]

My nothing is 77% and sub is the pozy stuff tho

[fluid pollen]

Was using previous number before one more Sui was added.

But basically they drop Mul for Whis on Ros.

So the tp doesn’t go very high, and well Pozy stuff is already a variation.

[vivid spoke]

So that’s why my goldbar production is so bad 🐧

[uncut dome]

Yea you're not getting both 70k+ LMD and 120+ GOLD in MR normally

[fluid pollen]

Zyf.

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

[vivid spoke]

Who’s Zyf

[pale yoke]

public enemy no.1

[orchid bane]

[uncut dome]

He sounds like a cool guy but some people here apparently hate him for no reason

[orchid bane]

Zyf scared the hell out of me

[fluid pollen]

We need trust rooms to count as ops.

[vivid spoke]

We need 1 more floor

[uncut dome]

They'll give us 1 more floor of trust rooms...

[pale yoke]

one more dorm

would be nice

we'll get real base improvement by the time we have 500 ops trust

[orchid bane]

Need a room for Tequila, Proviso

-# pepe

So their order apply global

[vivid spoke]

You can do it manually 🐧

[orchid bane]

[stoic spoke]

dam

[vivid spoke]

I will try to get it in a normal way

[stoic spoke]

68k normal isn't too bad

[vivid spoke]

Is 6h rotation considered normal

[stoic spoke]

[uncut dome]

Yea the standard rotation is just 12hr with good leeway

[vivid spoke]

That makes it a lot harder

[fluid pollen]

Just rmb not to leave Prov in dorms again.

[stoic spoke]

just get lucky with proviso tp rng

man when does Bryo rerun

[uncut dome]

Next year

Gotta wait for record restoration

[stoic spoke]

I may go inactive again

by that time

[stoic spoke]

do you recommend running 4 gold with kirara in shamare tp? or 3 gold + bibeak in shamare tp?

I lack both lmd and exp but doing modules is probably consuming more lmd

[uncut dome]

Who do you replace Scene for 4 GOLD?

[stoic spoke]

uhh

I'll manage somehow

e2 the dog summoner

forgot what shes called

mayer

and theres also marcille

[uncut dome]

[stoic spoke]

[uncut dome]

You're using Verm Ceobe

[stoic spoke]

replace full fac with 30% golds

[uncut dome]

No Narantuya?

[stoic spoke]

nope

[uncut dome]

[stoic spoke]

wait there is figurino

[uncut dome]

I think you just stick to 3 GOLD rn hmm

[stoic spoke]

also narantuya would only be 25%

lvl1 dorms

[uncut dome]

Ah right I forgor she's 3 PP slave

[stoic spoke]

but what about the gain from kirara

is it greater than bibeak?

when running 4 gold

[uncut dome]

Should be way better actually

I wasn't comparing properly earlier

[stoic spoke]

time to make a rotation

brb

[high dagger]

wasn't this patch also supposed to add new rooms to the base or I'm forgetting something?

with like the ability to directly control an operator in base to roam around and interact with furniture/do emotes or whatever

|| https://youtu.be/dHjoNxwPi74?si=01c4N7MEBsZDZp3S ||

this basically

[jaunty notch]

Not this patch

Also those rooms are close to useless

[high dagger]

I know but its still nice

[high dagger]

which one then?

[jaunty notch]

Close to en .5 anni

July or earlier

[valid storm]

They are much better than the left side, since I can decorate them

[pale yoke]

for monthly card user did you finish the event shop yet?

[uncut dome]

Close to finishing

[pale yoke]

i forgor if i did use my sanity pots or not before reset

[stoic spoke]

its joever

[stoic spoke]

it's done

do you like it

[uncut dome]

I may have bought around 20 kohl at the start cuz I had to raise some ops

[pale yoke]

thankss, ye that just confirmed i did messed up
had a lot going on irl

[uncut dome]

[uncut dome]

No, it has Lee🚮

[wind otter]

bro why you wasting money smh

[wind otter]

this is not cope

[stoic spoke]

Dusk will be there after another year

[wind otter]

speaking of patches, we were supposed to get gacha history about now, shouldn't we?

[stoic spoke]

[pale yoke]

I think was 2 big pack

[uncut dome]

[wind otter]

2 x 120 sanity pots?

[pale yoke]

Ye

Vaguely remember

[wind otter]

that's just 2 bucks for 2 primes, no big deal

[pale yoke]

But wasn't sure because I was in a daze

[wind otter]

that sounds serious

[pale yoke]

yee...

[wind otter]

don't worry about it, the drop rates are so awful you may have missed on 1 or 2 mats at most

[pale yoke]

true

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

riic have abundance of cope for anyone who needed some

[wind otter]

no cope, no hope

[pale yoke]

suzumom and suzu better than vigil chen/ines?

[fluid pollen]

Same as Vigil Chen. Worse than Ines.

No point using.

[wind otter]

Vulpis and Suzu are better than Ch'en + Vigil because Vigil does a poor RR job from the TP

[pale yoke]

but will fair evenly if vigil in RR tho right?

add more complexity to base with ops with strong enough base skill + affecting other facility

[round dock]

Went back from AO farming, the new changes are nice

[pale yoke]

hear me out, vigil 40% TP and add 20% to RR

while in TP

EN would mald so bad because cant read

[round dock]

Vigil only sub in TP, change my mind

[pale yoke]

^why would anyone try to change that fact

he is sub unless you dont run sui/shamare

[round dock]

Though he only works RR if no clue check-in and Ch'en worked previously

[urban orchid]

What is number 198 for?

[wind otter]

5 + 5 + 16 + 20 + 30 + 5 + 5 + 16 = 102 (Vulpis fam)
5 + 5 + 16 + 25 + 5 + 5 + 16 + 25 = 102 (Ch'en + Vigil)

[round dock]

How many you have?

Or how many that 99 orders is?

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

wouldn't it be nice if every ops have something like that

so you need to do more calculation and fix the puzzle more

[wind otter]

that's an effort I'm willing to make

[pale yoke]

sameee

[round dock]

Does one gold bar=2 capacity?

[uncut dome]

Yes

Yea that 198 is cap from the 99 GOLD

[valid storm]

isn't Che'n/Vigil + Enforcer higher than simply Ch'en + Vigil?

[wind otter]

yes

well, he was

[wind orbit]

i just need yato and noir in CC right

like this?

[wind otter]

41% TRC = the combo is working

[wind orbit]

what is trc, sorry

[wind otter]

41% + 7% Noir = 48%

[wind orbit]

oh Terra Research Comm

okok

[wind otter]

yes

[wind orbit]

for this combo, siege vanguard don't need e2 right?

base e0 will do?

[uncut dome]

Yes E0 Siege will do

[digital mist]

is there a way to see the resting time needed for ops in the dorm without having to go to the dorms one by one? was able to see it in overview before the revamp

[wind otter]

in Overview, click on the dorm row and you will see them

[digital mist]

oh wow i never bothered actually clicking the row. Have always been clicking the op directly. Thank you!

[wind otter]

[fading juniper]

I E2ed mayer for base god her art is so ugly

switched it back to E1

[wind otter]

what's wrong about it?

Last mastery and the training room is finally free again, finally!

[pale yoke]

why are you still using scene

passanger too...

[wind otter]

Scene = I'm running 4 EXP FACs
Passenger = I'm running 1 gold FAC to slow down the gold burning so Pass has some use

[pale yoke]

i c i c

gona get that xp number up

[wind otter]

check this out, give me a sec

[wind otter]

12 days ago, right?

today (I haven't bought event EXP yet btw)

[pale yoke]

hek yeah

unfortunately i cant switch to 4xp at this economy

im constantly hovering at 200 gold bar

with 2 gold fac

[wind otter]

but you run a tighter ship, you don't produce excess gold right? but you produce great EXP everyday

[pale yoke]

yee

[wind otter]

do you run out of gold?

[pale yoke]

not yet

[wind otter]

I remember seeing your gold numbers kind of low, but if there is balance it shouldn't be a prob

[pale yoke]

ill go down to 170+ by the end of each month and the monthly will balance it out again

it repeats every month

[wind otter]

epic

you have achieved perfect equilibrium

[pale yoke]

actually true

[wind otter]

I was thinking of trying your rotations for a while and see how it goes for me, may ask you some questions when I run out of gold

[pale yoke]

drone xp most of the time and only drone tp to complete the curse

[wind otter]

and when you switch formulas I assume

[pale yoke]

ye and when switch to 4gold for tuye

[wind otter]

I need to promote Tuya, Kirara and Aroma to try your rotations

[pale yoke]

but that's like once every 2 day to rest shamare

ooo you dont run aroma

yea if you run aroma you'll probably fixed 2 gold too one for aroma one for bryo

but if you have excess lmd down just keep doing xp right?

me when i want to do 162 but the game can't handle my curse

[wind otter]

I was wary about promoting Aroma for the same reason you asked me why the hell I was running Scene Ramp up skills have a death sentence. But since HG is so stingy with good FAC skill ops I am sure Aroma may have some extra mileage

I always drone EXP

do you drone Proviso, gold, sometimes maybe?

[pale yoke]

🤝

no

[wind otter]

ok

[pale yoke]

i only drone to complete tp and the rest into xp

[wind otter]

promoting those ops shouldn't be a problem though

[pale yoke]

5

[wind otter]

very rare 1-7 drop

[pale yoke]

i only have 1 lol

[pale yoke]

ye i heard about that

you must be very lucky

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

need to do more 1-7 run i suppose

[wind otter]

can't mine rocc, we have red vouchers to farm

[pale yoke]

that too

[wind otter]

we need them red certs pots

smh IS5 last floor without a Medic, lovely

[pale yoke]