r-i-i-c

[arctic prism]

can look through the info here and see what you can replace
https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c

[hollow plume]

hopefully it wouldn't be something so insanely complicated-looking that i just give up immediately

[arctic prism]

can start in the "special" tab to see what combos if any you own
then go through each facility tab to see what your best options are

there's quite a bit of text but the main thing you need to worry about are the numbers

[hollow plume]

oh god, the horrors
i have to read
no.. no no no no no no this cant be happening

[sterile osprey]

How do you check how many hours an operator still has before their morale goes to 0? Did they remove that?

[wicked canopy]

you can only see it by clicking on the facility in the overview screen (not opening that facility fullscreen)

[sterile osprey]

Found it thanks

I use fiammetta to refresh

Shamare Tequila and Proviso

Can I use the new feature to instantly switch my third operator ( Mitm and Bibeak )?

Or do I do it the old way?

[arctic prism]

can make 2 presets
one with bibeak and one with mitm

[hollow plume]

i already have one issue
i dont know which one is the best... that i can use

[arctic prism]

at the top right of each combo there should be numbers there

bigger number better

[plain gust]

Well what ops do you have/ do not ?
You could just not use base combos if you cannot execute them now, and just raise good general workers

[hollow plume]

these ones?

[arctic prism]

yeah

[plain gust]

do you have e2 shamare ?

[hollow plume]

shes at e0

[plain gust]

then you do not care

ROI will be too high for it to even be worth
For TPs (lv3) you should aim for at least 90% rotas, and can achieve as much with general workers

[hollow plume]

i cared enough to look at the guide doe

[leaden grove]

You just… see which combos are the best, and then see if you can make them with the ops you have

It’s easy with presets now

[sterile osprey]

Can you still do staggered rotations with the new system?

[plain gust]

you also asked something that isnt expensive, so idk what to say

[leaden grove]

Think about it once and then set it up

[sterile osprey]

Does the new system make staggered rotations easier?

[leaden grove]

I guess?

[hollow plume]

i dont know how to tell you this
but im just scared
im scared that if i make a mistake, it would be permanent

[arctic prism]

it's kinda nice for wacky teams like abyssals or glasglow that use workers that arent actually workers of that facility but yea that's about it

[plain gust]

What ? you're just upgrading ops what permanent

[arctic prism]

?
the only permanent mistake you can make is upgrading right side of the base

[leaden grove]

Idk how that would even happen

But if you felt like it might, can just ask

[plain gust]

just don't raise jaye to e1

[leaden grove]

E1 jaye is fine zzzz

[plain gust]

i won't and you can't make me

[sterile osprey]

If I press the swap button, Will shamare's ramp up skill be reset or can I press it just fine?

[hollow plume]

can you actually remove operators level and i didn't know about it up until now?

[arctic prism]

should be fine in theory but untested from global iirc

[plain gust]

you cannot, but how does it matter ?

[leaden grove]

It will be fine but also just read the stuff on presents on the “QOL” tab in the base combo guide, it goes over all of this

[leaden grove]

.

[arctic prism]

stuff like aroma and scene ramp stayed for me so it should be the same for tailoring

[sterile osprey]

Thanks

[hollow plume]

its permanent. thats what it is
how is it not?

[plain gust]

as a few ground rules
Do not raise anything to e2 for a base combo unless proviso, ROI won't be on your side
Everything else is fine

[leaden grove]

Bro

If you read about a strong combo or good worker, and want to be sure that they’re good to raise, just ask🥹

[wicked canopy]

the only ops that can be argued to get worse with promotions are jaye (base skill gets slightly worse at e1) and kafka (slightly worse for most uses with promotions). other than that there's no reason to worry

[arctic prism]

if you're considering e2ing an op that you wont use as a permanent account damage then sure lmao

[plain gust]

do you not raise your ops in game ? That's the whole shtick about having a good base

[hollow plume]

do i have to get e2 vigil for proviso+silverash+vigil?

[arctic prism]

huh

where on the sheet are you seeing proviso silverash vigil

[hollow plume]

or am i not understanding it correctly

[plain gust]

do NOT e2 only for base

Don't look at base combos, go to the bottom of TP (as an example) and raise enough 30% workers to get 2 fulls rotas

Do that for fac XP and fac Gold, and your base is done

[leaden grove]

Bro is a veteran, he might have good combos

[plain gust]

is he now

[leaden grove]

No reason to force him into basic workers unless he just doesn’t raise shit

[hollow plume]

probably, but i have no clue which one is the best, im just confused since i barely touch the base outside of collecting lmd/bars/xp/trust

[leaden grove]

Well that’s why the combo guide is there

The combos are roughly ordered from best to worst in descending order, regardless of their level of investment

So you might not have the ops for the best combos but you may for a good one

[plain gust]

just remember that baseline for tps is 90%, if you go higher, it's good

[hollow plume]

it looks very violent

[plain gust]

How so ?

[leaden grove]

[hollow plume]

ok yeah i give up for now, went the way i expected it to

[plain gust]

[hollow plume]

i mean seriously what the hell is a "WP" "MH" "RR"?????????????

[plain gust]

MH monster hunter
WP World plight
RR uh... how do i say this

[arctic prism]

reception room level

[leaden grove]

At the very least, go to “noob” tab for all the best combos with low investment workers

[hollow plume]

guess im getting rr 3

[arctic prism]

no

dont

[hollow plume]

i already have 2, why not get a 3??

[leaden grove]

Please don’t

[arctic prism]

vigil is ass

[leaden grove]

Good !!!

[hollow plume]

nah im kidding

[leaden grove]

[arctic prism]

for anything that has those kinds of terms on them it's likely going to be explained in the "Special" tab

which is why I was saying you can start there in case you have cross facility combos

if you dont you can just ignore

[leaden grove]

You said all this stuff about not wanting to spend much resources for your base

And then you wanna e2 a bad 6 star and debuff your base’s overall production

[hollow plume]

that was clearly a joke i would never e2 a shitty (and expensive) operator trust me

[leaden grove]

Well you were freaking out about making bad choices and not understand

It’s not unreasonable to think that you got a bit overwhelmed and got lost in the sauce

[hollow plume]

im still extremely overwhelmed

[leaden grove]

.

[hollow plume]

why couldn't they just make this, but instead of it telling you the best combos, it would make them for you with the current operators you have?

[plain gust]

just raise very generic, good workers, and aim to get consistently 90% it's really not that hard

[plain gust]

Thats just another level of handholding

[hollow plume]

still way better though..

especially when i have no idea what 90% is

[plain gust]

I'm sure the person doing that spreadsheet isn't paid, so you're free to do so in their stead

[leaden grove]

…what

[plain gust]

you have 3 workers slots, each one should give you 30% prod for a trading post
Aiming for 90%

i'm fucking lost and hurting rn

[arctic prism]

the amount of work that would go into this is insane

not to mention the maintenance

[plain gust]

This spreadsheet is already bonkers

[hollow plume]

im not saying they have to, just a thought

[hollow plume]

bonkers for hurting my "en cant read" brain

[plain gust]

but...

just go to trading post

go to the bottom of the page

and raise 6 30% workers

done

[hollow plume]

does that mean proviso is bad

[plain gust]

i'm out

[arctic prism]

what is bro saying

[hollow plume]

3 30% workers over 1 proviso and 2 30% workers

[arctic prism]

clearly you are able to read our messages

reading that sheet isnt any different

[leaden grove]

The latter is better

Obviously

[plain gust]

It's bait i swear

[hollow plume]

its not
Im just a dumbass when it comes to the base, shrimple as that

[arctic prism]

https://youtu.be/wxGPiKm5m4o?si=Wb137KGiowNNoGnq

[hollow plume]

ive already seen that video

[plain gust]

no but reading is as hard on the sheet than on discord

[arctic prism]

then what are you confused about

[plain gust]

obv 153 % is better than 90%, agreed ?

[hollow plume]

ok but surely i have something better

[arctic prism]

???

[leaden grove]

Maybe. That’s what the spreadsheet is for

[hollow plume]

would this work
im not sure what it means by "full durins"
and i dont know if i have to upgrade tuye or not

[arctic prism]

all of the info you are asking us for

[leaden grove]

Did you miss the whole section at the top of the page on the kirara pozy Tuya combo

[arctic prism]

is in the paragraph right above your screenshots

[leaden grove]

The names are underlined

It’s a hyperlink

[plain gust]

Is your wisadel raised ?

[hollow plume]

yes

what about her?

[plain gust]

i figured as much, it explains a lot

[leaden grove]

What does that have to do with anything bruh

[hollow plume]

idk

[leaden grove]

[plain gust]

i'm tired let me have fun

[leaden grove]

This is just making snarky comments

At least put the snark to a good cause

[plain gust]

it kind of is, i'll stop now i'm satisfied
but he sure does not give us a lot to work with

do you have a krooster at least ?

[hollow plume]

overheating

[leaden grove]

I think the cost to raise almost any operator that is a good pair with proviso isn’t worth it, she does very well with basic workers.

[hollow plume]

no i dont have one, i guess i could make one though

[plain gust]

We would at least have an idea of your roster and what is raised/unraised

[leaden grove]

Don’t worry about it, their auto-import is down with the new yostar login system

[plain gust]

how many e2 you got

you could just screenshot those and be done

[leaden grove]

If you’ve never opened the combo guide before today, just making sure that you have all the best basic workers in rotation is a big W. Don’t worry about the more intricate combos.

[hollow plume]

where
it says "error retrieving data" (when i manually try to import it)

[leaden grove]

That’s what I mean

Like the login is busted

You’d have to manually do the entire roster lol

[hollow plume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

this is taking waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than it should

[plain gust]

but did you find the part on the spreadsheet with general workers ? Either in noob, or in each of their respective tabs, at the bottom

[hollow plume]

these are all of my e2s, hopefully it wont count as flexing

[plain gust]

do you have texas vg/ lappy ?

[hollow plume]

i do

[pale yoke]

dont worry it's not

[plain gust]

then you have one rota with texas vg/lappy/jaye

for tps i mean

[hollow plume]

do i have to at least e1 them or e2

[plain gust]

one with proviso/exu/quartz e1

[plain gust]

lappy gains more if e2 but it's not necessary

[hollow plume]

so the others need e2?

[plain gust]

no

For your other trading post, you just go with basic 90% rotations, those are plenty and not hard to put together

[hollow plume]

alright, proviso/exu/quartz e1 for the first tp, then texas/lappy jaye all e1 for the second tp

[hollow plume]

i only have 2 trading posts kekw

[plain gust]

i'm going to explode

dude

[hollow plume]

hi going to explode

[arctic prism]

hang in there buddy you got this

[hollow plume]

you can do it, you're almost doing the impossible (which is fixing my base)

[plain gust]

You have 2 trading post, but once those workers are done, you need to refill them, you have downtime

So one tp is exu/pro/quartz

one is lappy/jaye/tex

And once they are done, you put 90% workers (3 30% workers)

any of those

[hollow plume]

ok simple enough, i can do that
buuuuuuut what about factories? i only have 2 lvl3 facs and 3 lvl2 ones

i use the lvl 3 facs for gold and the others for xp

[plain gust]

now you got the methodology ig

you go to factories in the spreadsheet

that was not simple btw

[leaden grove]

Factories is a bit more straightforward because you don’t have to worry about buffing and building around an op like proviso, generally

[arctic prism]

lol maybe we should just add a "cant read" tab

[hollow plume]

YES

PLEASE DO

[arctic prism]

altho ig that's kinda similar functionality to what the noob tab does

honestly

just go to noob tab

and pick out people from there

and use them

that has the same effect

[leaden grove]

I told you!!

Noob tab!

[plain gust]

uh yeah he was told as much like 3 or 4 times

[arctic prism]

lol yea

but we have all seen by now

reading is hard

supposedly

but yea just go to noob tab
dont even bother reading any of the text or math

just pick the faces you like from there

throw them in the corresponding facility

and call it a day

[hollow plume]

should i e2 bryo, warmy or feater? or i should just e1 convi, shira, frostlea

[stuck crow]

noob tab is crazy

he literally has 2 screens of e2

[arctic prism]

no man just ignore all the other tabs

[stuck crow]

the tab is like for week old players

[plain gust]

i don't make the rules

[arctic prism]

yea but he was complaining about not wanting to "permanently damage" his account by raising useless ops to e2

lmao

[hollow plume]

wdym

[plain gust]

don't e2 for the base anyway, pick e1 ops

[arctic prism]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=800801592#gid=800801592

[hollow plume]

alright im sorry arknights base (beta™️) just sucks

[arctic prism]

stay on this tab and pick your favorite faces

put in building that matches the color of the background

done

[hollow plume]

where is thorns alter

did i miss him??

[arctic prism]

we dont care about thorns alter

he's not on noob tab

he's also just not released yet

on global

[hollow plume]

thats the only face i like though

[arctic prism]

well then i guess your base is staying empty

[hollow plume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jump-camera-cat-jumping-cat-rocket-gif-17784539269799085416

this could be uhh reverse psychology? something like that perhaps (and its working)

[stuck crow]

they added a dedicated button for arene/stainless but no way to empty the dorms without going into them...

overall it's still a win i guess

[hollow plume]

anyways, thanks for the help, my base is probably going to be better now
ill probably end up not seeing much of a difference though

[leaden grove]

The presets alone are so nice

Even if the dorm stuff is still manual

It was manual before🫡

[hollow plume]

pain

[vital oriole]

did someone say flexing e2s?

[wind otter]

I wish Overview had a shortcut option to go directly to facility

[leaden grove]

Man if you could change the recipe from overview 🤌

[ebon beacon]

when you're putting operators into your dorms am I correct in my understanding that it's no longer possible to filter out operators who are currently working in another room?

or did they just relocate this to another place that I haven't found yet?

[winged hollow]

doing exodia with the new base system is half nightmare

pros you can switchly swap combo, the cons manual put combos in dorm workshop and put dead lancet out

and annoying notification

[stuck crow]

how bad is it to raise warmy for base 🫡

[leaden grove]

This is solved by just doing things normally🥹

Just pretend that the only thing in the update was the preset function🧘‍♂️

[stuck crow]

doing any 5*+ e2s until yu feels bad

[leaden grove]

E2 for bad metalwork seems dubious 🫡

[ebon beacon]

Normally I would filter out the operators who are currently working in rooms so I can quickly find the operators I need to put in the dorm...

I'm not sure how to do that now

[stuck crow]

it's probably better to ignore metalwork bonus from bryo and run bryo + metalwork+aroma now that i look at it

[leaden grove]

Okay fair, I honestly don’t get the fuss about the filtering since I didn’t use it much, so I’ll recuse myself from that part of the discussion

[ebon beacon]

when you stagger your teams you will have some that have lower morale but are still working

so you have to be careful not to accidentally select 1 of those or skip over 1 that isn't working

[winged hollow]

true the preset function is a good thing, example Glasgow gang

[stuck crow]

but my arene button

[ebon beacon]

so in the above image I need to put Terra Research Commission into the dorm

but it's like #11

[leaden grove]

Okay I see what you mean

All my staggers fit in the presets so I’ve been able to just get away with pressing the swap button

[ebon beacon]

yeah the auto dorm button doesn't really work with dead lancet unfortunately

part of me does kind of wonder if I switched to a build that worked with the new base system how much production would that actually cost me?

[leaden grove]

Can’t believe they never fixed that even with the update

[stuck crow]

it's the update for very casual audience so treat it like that

[leaden grove]

I guess they don’t want to acknowledge it, but also don’t want to patch it out

[winged hollow]

but the auto softing of dorm feature is headache for ros bonus you have to manual do that the whole exodia shift

[ebon beacon]

also it seems weird that the auto dorm doesn't take into account all of the operators who give bonuses in the dorm

since that is clearly their intended use

overall I'm not mad that they added new features, just don't understand why they removed the filters

[stuck crow]

their intended use is to have shitty unusable base skills

same as some stuff like 50% workshop

pure filler

don't forget that "intended" base has lvl5 dorms, so dorm ops are even more useless there

[ebon beacon]

yeah true

I often wondered about the intended base though, since it does seem like certain base skills were specifically designed for 2/5/2

not to mention the recent enhancements to friends list

it often feels like they do add stuff for both 2/5/2 and 2/4/3 players

[winged hollow]

we need a small tweak with it by lock out the dorm setting, example a certain unit never be in the dorm

[ebon beacon]

I support it

[arctic prism]

wait isnt it the other way around where dorm ops are generally better in higher lv dorms?

[ebon beacon]

I believe the thought process is that the higher level the dorm (assuming ambience capped) gives you more morale recovery per hour thus becoming redundant with the bonuses from ops

so if a level 5 dorm is already going to take an operator from 0 morale to 24 morale in 8 hours or less, why then would you need to use dorm ops in it?

[arctic prism]

oh you guys were talking about recovery dorm ops

nvm then lol

[ebon beacon]

yeah the ones with skills specific to the dorm

[arctic prism]

i thought we were talking about stuff like iris czerny senshi

[ebon beacon]

right the skills where they specifically call out that they scale on dorm level

[winged hollow]

they are a part of combos don't count them

they scale with the dorm level base on their skill the dorm recovery is just a bonus

[arctic prism]

nah no worries i just got fixated on the dorm ops being worse in high level dorms part

bc to me dorm ops = iris czerny etc

[winged hollow]

example this I care about their exodia counterpart 2.37 is nice but not a main point

[arctic prism]

was just backreading and didnt go back far enough to see what you were talking about yet

[broken canyon]

this doesnt add up

[arctic prism]

it shows time until the factory hits cap

[broken canyon]

oh my GOD

[arctic prism]

yea

[broken canyon]

thats brilliant thanks

[leaden grove]

Iirc it’s cap or fatigue, whichever is first

[fluid pollen]

Thx.

[wind otter]

time to fire my lawyer

[fluid pollen]

No access to sheet.

[thin grotto]

bump

[uncut dome]

It's okay now

[fluid pollen]

You can’t.

[thin grotto]

thank you

well, I guess avoiding a couple buttons and simply pressing a handful of individual rotation buttons is better than things were... sorta...

[fluid pollen]

😮

[ionic glacier]

how do you calculate the outputs of the riic report on a per hour basis?

[arctic prism]

probably the easiest solution is to use zyf's sheet

should be pin 5

make a copy of the sheet and fill in your rotation
it should give you a more accurate daily average so you can divide it by 24 to get hourly rate

[ionic glacier]

how is report clock determined?

[arctic prism]

for the one in game it's determined by what you collect before daily reset

so if you store up a ton of orders before daily reset and claim them the next day those orders will be counted toward the new day instead of the previous

[ionic glacier]

advice on planning and starting an actual rotation? i do a lot of the good base combos, but i don't know how to do an actual rotation

[arctic prism]

there should be some good examples you can take a look at in pin 4, can start with those as a base and replace stuff that you dont have

should be at the top of the info tab

[ionic glacier]

peteryr video?

[arctic prism]

no in the second pinned comment there should be links with numbers on them

thats what im referring to by pin 4 and pin 5

these two
https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14WzOA_cNpvG_PCHrtpxBgBpQWh4I1_TRgFPqk12W_lo/edit#gid=0

[ionic glacier]

oh i swear i can read

it said 3) but i thought it said 4)

[arctic prism]

lol no worries

[ionic glacier]

but mmmm i think this video is what i needed anyway

i've been referring to teh base combo spreadsheet for a long time, but i don't plan out rotations

and want to get into that

[pale yoke]

Fun fact of the day, wild animals only attack people who didn't rotate their base regularly

[ionic glacier]

im so fucked

[fluid pollen]

Damn rly?

[wind otter]

Which is why there are no known animal attacks in recorded history before Arknights released. Crazy to think how lovely life must have been back then, riding bears, swimming with sharks, and headpatting crocodiles.

[uncut dome]

[round dock]

so, observation, a Factory making shards can't last overnight without being capped

that said, I'm running 74% Rosmontis, Waai Fu and Chestnut

[uncut dome]

Yea they cap out really really fast

[round dock]

~6.5hrs or so

TP I'm not 100% sure on, but it looked nearly full this morning when I checked prereset

report seemed ok, 400, but it was also patch day

honestly, I was most annoyed with my staggered EXP Factory preset

it was supposed to be FEater/Specter, then rotation 2 was Mayer/Conviction, but it didn't swap properly for some reason

[fluid pollen]

What’d it swap to?

[round dock]

I don't recall TBH, but Specter ended up not going in

that could have been my fault on presets too though, I'm still trying to sort everything out

new rotations, new presets, base menus etc

the old overview was way better IMO

[fluid pollen]

Well if it the button doesn’t work you can always edit and then swap.

The preset doesn’t like swapping if an op is alr inside another fac.

[round dock]

they weren't, that's the interesting part

[fluid pollen]

And I think it’s quite the improvement.

[round dock]

I liked seeing the dorms mixed in, that might just be me though

[fluid pollen]

Too much scrolling. 🥹

[twilit wharf]

i saw on arknight base guide that for glasssglow combo with siege is 135% is that already include with vina?

[fluid pollen]

Vina is 40% there.

Doesn’t count as Glasgow so the combo is actually completed at Delphine Morgan Siege.

[stone roost]

Question .. I'm missing a hand full of operators .. one of them is Viviana. Who can I use to replace her here? This means I wont be able to use Knight team either, but I can just use another best in slot.

[twilit wharf]

anyone have some guide for placement WP + PI Combo? just wanna compare it with mine that maybe have some wrong placement

[round dock]

did you check pin 4?

[fluid pollen]

You can use knights without Viviana. They’ll just be 35% exp each with Flametail in CC. As for other CC ops that improve prod the only one that comes to mind is Jess2.

[stone roost]

So I can keep preset 3 the same and change Viviana with Jess2?

[arctic prism]

unless you're trying to use abyssals yea there arent many other great options
mlynar if you're struggling with fia timings even with cy, jessica is an okay alterantive if you need more fac workers

yea ft is fine without viviana

[stone roost]

Gotcha .. I might try both. Jess2 and Mlynar, depending on how it goes

Also .. who is this?

I'm not sure I own this one.

[arctic prism]

ft > jess2

[fluid pollen]

Aroma. 5* from Ascalon banner.

[stone roost]

ft is short for?

[arctic prism]

flametail

[stone roost]

Ah

I think I have Flametail .. what class is Aroma

[fluid pollen]

Caster.

[stone roost]

Okay, I have Flametail .. but still means I need a Viviana replacement, which would be Jess2 or Mlynar

And I have Aroma

So .. only operator I'm missing from the Felix1 layout is Viviana

[arctic prism]

yea just depends on your needs
jess2 will give you 100% in a lv3 fac with mizuki and 36% in a gold fac iirc
if this is better than the other workers you will be using in their place go for it

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

if not then mlynar is fine even though he technically doesnt boost your production

[stone roost]

I see

So ultimately, since I don't have Viviana, it doesnt seem to matter that much who i put in instead

I'll have a small production loss either way

[arctic prism]

yea essentially

[stone roost]

I have to E2 whole knight team I think, lol.

Never used it for base so far

Time to go brrr

[uncut dome]

noodle are you gonna do it?

[fluid pollen]

Might’ve to look at clock, but 11hr through the night has never been well.

[uncut dome]

[stone roost]

Do what

👀

[fluid pollen]

A rot.

7pm reset isn’t very nice for rotating in general.

[uncut dome]

Yea

When I did it, I did 30 minutes before reset then 1am then 12pm

[fluid pollen]

No wonder.

[uncut dome]

No wonder I stopped doing it

[fluid pollen]

Not blessed with good timezone.

[uncut dome]

Can also be pretty tight on the ops, Dusk needs some dorm help and the lvl2 fac worker on main needs a bit of help as well

[fluid pollen]

[uncut dome]

I should just update the 13/11 with Yu cuz it means Shu won't be needed to be on fac with Aroma

Finally got to 80 WP

[onyx vale]

is this good if i wanna just do 12hr rotations?

[fluid pollen]

Ye. Changed that on my end alr.

[uncut dome]

Don't use Gladiia

[onyx vale]

who should i swap her with then? i also need 2 replacement facs if i do 😦

[uncut dome]

You can try something like this

[uncut dome]

Just replace them with other workers, it's just that there's no efficient way to actually make Gladiia work 12 hrs she runs out of morale too quickly

[onyx vale]

what if i just hit her with a lil fiametta

[round dock]

I can't even get Gladiia to work 10 hours

[uncut dome]

It's not efficient and Fia won't be able to keep up

It's better to not use her in 12hr rotations

[onyx vale]

k thanks

[uncut dome]

[round dock]

I wanted to use her for 2x5hr shifts, but that's not gonna happen

kind of forced to use her now I guess, though I suppose I don't have to

[onyx vale]

just slot her with the alt op squad

[round dock]

I do

Gladiia/Delphine one shift, Viviana/Flametail the second

the most interesting thing that I've noticed is that everyone says farming shards/AO is that you lose rock, but I've barely lost any

the impression I got is that I'd be scrambling to have enough

[uncut dome]

That's when you have them stocked up

But after that

Natural sanity and even with monthly card won't get to keep up

[stoic spoke]

Riic so active

[fluid pollen]

Zyf effect.

[stoic spoke]

True true

[uncut dome]

HUH

We just had a base update smh

noodle trying to hate on me again

[jaunty notch]

This is why i look at the timer before showers

[fluid pollen]

No need to try.

[uncut dome]

[whole tapir]

Anyways
how good is my base’s rotations?

[sly cipher]

wish there was like a base optimizer thing Ill eventually settle on something random I guess

[sterile stream]

so i never bother with base up until now.. and my right side currently 2 3 2 3.. what setup should i do? might aswell maxed right side?

[inner ocean]

which level is HR?

and RR is lvl 2?

[sterile stream]

rr and office lv 2

[inner ocean]

@jaunty notch Let them stay with RR2 and HR2 for more slots? Or is there something I'm missing where an MR is more valuable for them?

[jaunty notch]

rr3 is slightly better i'd say

[uncut dome]

Nothing is more valuable, don't upgrade right side

[jaunty notch]

but that's just my opinion

in general raw % is still the best

and you can go to rr3 anytime you want

[uncut dome]

RR3 for the friends we made along the way

[jaunty notch]

i personally don't stay friends with people that have 2 support units that long

only exception is vinci

you could say the support skill pick is another reason to not upgrade rr, but the opposite holds true too

[uncut dome]

Why??

[jaunty notch]

[sterile stream]

so keep em as it is? current base mostly similar to this.. but with 3 lv3 and 2 lv2 factory

[stoic spoke]

If you're using Proviso, downgrade her TP to lv2, so another FAC can be lv3

Lv2 TP allows her skill to be always triggered

[sterile stream]

problem is i had bunch excessive gold from current base.. so thought need to change somethin

[jaunty notch]

why not just spare the 2 bottom worker space info for "time til next order/product"

[jaunty notch]

1 of my previous rots use jess2 if you wanna sample that

same with older rots

[main yew]

How do I see resting time?

[leaden grove]

Overview

[little ledge]

Ok so
Shu factory team is for filler only, meanwhile Mr.Nothing is the one who got big boost like this

Mr.Nothing+Archetto/40%+any 30%=130% TP
I use April for +4 order cap

[fluid pollen]

In general the factory workers for WP are awful and not in any way optimal. Both have niche applications though just not in this context.

[uncut dome]

That's a pretty mid Mr. Nothing and sad Jieyun/Shu

Jieyun/Shu in that setup is prob weaker than Fang/Kroos

[fluid pollen]

[fluid pollen]

Tho tbf, aren’t mid Mr. Nothing’s what most people have to run?

[leaden grove]

I just wanna know where proviso is🥹

[little ledge]

proviso is with morgan and siege

previously she's with mr nothing

[leaden grove]

Then why no shamare team ngl

[little ledge]

shamare alr exhausted

[leaden grove]

[uncut dome]

That's with Eben/Ros and non-MR setups

[fluid pollen]

I think most MRs run 60% Nothing.

[uncut dome]

Yes cuz Ros

Running Whisp

[fluid pollen]

Ye.

[uncut dome]

Wait wtf is that nickname I just noticed

[little ledge]

so gnosis team is still better?

[fluid pollen]

What bout the nickname?

[uncut dome]

Are you running Rosmontis on factory is what I'd need to know

[little ledge]

havent build the team yet

[uncut dome]

Okay yea you should run Gnosis team for a while

And even when you use Sui team, it's not recommended to use Shu/Jieyun

[little ledge]

currently gnosis team is exhausted

[uncut dome]

You can just replace Shu/Jieyun for now then

You're better off running 2 25% than those 2 with the WP you currently have

[little ledge]

for the sake of curiosity,i'm gonna try this for a while

[little ledge]

2 25%
like generic standardization?

[uncut dome]

Yea

[fluid pollen]

Math wise.

That’s like 44% from Shu and Jieyun. Pretty terrible.

[uncut dome]

[fluid pollen]

I’m also the only other person using the 13 11 layout.

[uncut dome]

Pretty balanced with Ros working on EXP

How's the GOLD deficit/gain for you?

[fluid pollen]

Have been swapping Doro Silence to exp each time.

And droning exp.

Gold slowly draining.

Slowly.

[uncut dome]

Oh that's kinda annoying to do

At least now you can easily see if you forgot to change recipe

[fluid pollen]

Ye.

[little ledge]

very slowly decreasing

[pale yoke]

[sterile osprey]

Is mlynar with 3 smileys 0.2?

[uncut dome]

Yes

[sterile osprey]

and walter with CE and amiya is 0.2 aswell?

[uncut dome]

Yes

[sterile osprey]

Then which team should be on the CC for longer?

Walter, CE, Amiya, Kal, Nymph

Mlynar, 3 Smileys, Swire

And can this be improved?

[uncut dome]

Depends on your other ops

If you have the Pinus combo to work with, like Viviana and Flametail the Młynar team is better but otherwise the Walter team is better because of Kal

[sterile osprey]

I don't have flametail E2, Is she even worth e2ing since I already have 3 flags, bagpipe, canta and Ines at e2?

I think if I am going to E2 a pioner it will probably be vulpisfolgia

[uncut dome]

Yea it's not worth it

You can just use what you have then

[sterile osprey]

Thanks

[fading juniper]

Ok so I just looked back at it and realized this counts for 3 lv 2 facs and 2 lv 3 facs instead of 3 level 3 facs so I am missing 1 extra on each rotation

||🇨 🇨 : flametail, viviana, mlynar, kaltits, amiya
🔵TP1: shamare, tequila, bibeak
🔵TP2: proviso, vigil
🟡Gold1: bryophyta, gravel, haze
🟡Gold2: weedy, purestream
🟡XP1: wildmane, highmore, mizuki
🟡XP2: 2 random XP mfs
🟡XP3: feater, conviction
🟢PP: 2 random pp mfs
🟠RR: ines, chen
🔴HR: penance

🇨 🇨 : delphine, (not E2ed) yato alt, noir alt, 2 random rhine lab mfs
🔵TP1: Morgan (not E2)siege, underflow with ulp in training room
🔵TP2: proviso, TRC
🟡Gold1: Mayer, (not E2) waaifu, marcille
🟡Gold2: spot, warmy (not yet E2)
🟡XP1: vermeil, scene, ceobe
🟡XP2: silence alt, dorothy
🟡XP3: vigna, castle
🟢PP: muelsyse, liskarm (does she need E2?), goldenglow
🟠RR: Astesia, Red (both not E2)
🔴HR: eyja

Missing chongus pallas, ebenholz, rosmontis, hoederer, siege alt, aroma||

God damn I'm running out of those Kool aid things for E2ing

[stoic spoke]

Wtfart is this text rotation, make a sheet

Or use pins 5th link

[little ledge]

does PS team needs to put both Viviana and Flametail at CC?

[fluid pollen]

No. If you have just FT, each of the e2 Knights will be 35% exp, if just Viv, each will be 32%, and Gravel will get + 7%.

[little ledge]

if i use Vivi that 32% is universal?

[pale wind]

universal as in it works for any factory, yes

but gravel is conditioned to gold and if flametail is there pinus knights are to exp then

[fluid pollen]

FT’s effect is to + 10% to each PS knight’s exp prod, but it also - 10% to gold prod so they’ll be stuck to exp.

[arctic prism]

my guy it's not that complicated just stick any high% worker in there

also for PP, RR, HR if you dont have them already e2'd just throw someone else in there that you are already using

same with warmy you dont necessarily need to use these people if you dont have them e2'd just look at the sheet and find stuff you have and work with that

[onyx vale]

typhon/valarqvin or vigil/red for RR?

[jaunty notch]

right

[undone oracle]

hello base dwellers, do I lvl up my lvl 2 fac to 3 first or my lvl 1 tps to lvl 2 first

[languid blaze]

do both lvl2

[graceful egret]

anyone has Morgan E2 can confirm if vina counted as Siege for her base skill?

[uncut dome]

No

Vina is also not counted for Delphine

[graceful egret]

alright

[tough garnet]

does the rotate ops in base reset ramp ups like ines

[graceful egret]

safe pulls

[graceful egret]

yes

[uncut dome]

Ramps only reset when they change slot order

If they remain in the same slot they keep the ramp

[graceful egret]

ohh right sorry, i tested it just now and as long as you keep the position the same it won't reset the ramp up

[sterile osprey]

Does

E2 Shamare E2 Tequila E0 Bibeak/Kafka work?

Or does bibeak/Kafka also have to be E2?

[fluid pollen]

Former works.

[sterile osprey]

So I can use them at e0 just fine?

[fluid pollen]

Yup.

[sterile osprey]

Thanks

[fluid pollen]

Honestly e2-ing the tp ramp ops have fairly minor effect compared to cost.

[sterile osprey]

I was just wondering since I read somewhere that E2 Shamare and E0 Bibeak/Kafka dont work together. So I was confirming

[stoic spoke]

what should I put in this empty space? (the time for that rotation has arrived)

[valid storm]

Dusk?

[stoic spoke]

don't have her

nor monster hunter team

[valid storm]

Then... uhh... Saileach?

[stoic spoke]

no saileach too

I guess Kestrel is the only one I have

[valid storm]

then, idk

[orchid bane]

Just put something in

Maybe chen

[uncut dome]

Jessicat

[stoic spoke]

don't have her

from the cc section, the only ones available are Lee (needs e2), Civi Eterna (e2) and kestrel (e0)

[valid storm]

CE is kinda meh alone

[stoic spoke]

15% RR is better than nothing

[uncut dome]

All 3 of those don't give you real productivity

[stoic spoke]

yeah

[uncut dome]

Hmm do you have MH?

[stoic spoke]

nope

[uncut dome]

Wait when did you even start playing

[stoic spoke]

2021

but I took breaks

[uncut dome]

Yea I figured

The only thing that makes sense when you look like you have ops but not have ops at the same time

[dull blade]

i have eunectes, weedy, purestream, greyy alter, lancet

no passenger

what do i replace him with

bena?

[jaunty notch]

replace 243 with 252

[dull blade]

ohh

oki

[jaunty notch]

then you have lv2 fac and no need for passenger

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

[fading juniper]

No idea how to do it on mobile lol

[gloomy mantle]

does the auto "rest ops" thing troll fia?

[leaden grove]

Yes as well as any dorm worker and dead lancet

For Yu they added dorm lock to protect dorm workers or durins, etc

But dead lancet is still not lockable

[gloomy mantle]

no qol for me

[cedar steeple]

Im at work but replying to remember to go back and read shit that happened here the last few days. I havent messed with the presets at all yet. Seems like hell from comments tho.

[leaden grove]

Temper your expectations if you want to do everything with one tap, but if you are okay with not engaging with some of the new stuff, then it’s mostly good

[cedar steeple]

I plan to engage with what i can. Whatever makes it easier in the long run. I know we didnt get the lock feature so some combos are sketch atm

[twilit sable]

I have the following CC presets:

1. Ascalon, Kal'tsit, Saileach, Ling, Dusk
2. Viviana, Flametail, Saileach, Ling, Dusk
3. Viviana, Flametail, Yato2, Noir2, Gnosis
   However, for some reason, when I try to automatically switch from the 1st to the 2nd preset, it skips the 2nd and goes straight for the 3rd. What's going on?

[arctic prism]

just gotta open up the edit menu and swap from that menu

game has some sort of priority for the quick swap button

rather than just rotating between 1 > 2 > 3 > 1

[wind otter]

That's an option. I rather get interrupted than waiting to take a bath though.

[wind otter]

I'd take that too and for factories as well, but I also would like the shortcut option.

[simple violet]

Is there an "ideal" CC rotation? I've been swapping Amiya/Kal w/ Kiri /Ratholos, and Eunectes rotates in. I'm not quite sure what to do with the other 2/3 slots, or if I'm missing something obvious.

(Also, Gnosis slots in whenever my work schedule makes me miss my Fiammetta rotation)

[uncut dome]

I tried to think of something but the button is actually worse than I expected and it only rotates fatigued operators(0 morale). An issue with that is the all facilities don't lose morale at the same rate so you can't easily sync them like FAC/TP might go 0 morale at the same time but PP/HR go some hrs earlier. This obviously means a huge loss of productivity than normal tho ig big boost if you weren't doing base at all before and just want to 1 tap so maybe I'll try something but don't expect much of it like they said.

[cedar steeple]

Yea I was catching up reading. Thats dumb af that it wont rotate partially worked ops. Like say Vermeil/Ceobe etc keep work up way longer than other teams as a random example.

Atm I mostly just lazy full swap so I was hoping the 1 click would work and I could just do 2 lazy full rotations. I know what I run definitely isnt fully optimal, nothing crazy combo centric. I mostly run long rotations til fatigue anyways though with Mlynar since I work a lot and sometimes can't swap before work.

[round lichen]

I run a 24 hour Worldly Plight/Perception Info rotation, then 12 hours kazimierz + automation. Most people will tell you these are the best CC teams. Here are the components I use:

WP/PI team
CC: Dusk, Ling, Chongyue, Saileach, Amiya
(Lv.3)TP: Shamare, Ebenholz, Tequila
(Lv.2)TP: Mr. Nothing, Proviso
(Lv.2)FAC: Rosmontis, Waai Fu
HR: Mulberry
WS: Nian
TR: Shu, Chestnut

Knights/automation team
CC: Flametail, Vivianna, Eunectes, Swire, Kaltsit
PP: Dead Lancet, Greyy alter
EXP FAC: Ashlock, Wild Mane, Fartooth
Gold FAC: Weedy, Purestream
Other Gold FAC: Gravel, Bryophyta, Haze

If you don’t have the operators for these combos, Check pin 4 and see which ones you do have

[uncut dome]

Eben on ShamTeq

[rugged phoenix]

can someone change this to "E2: +20% per [Glasgow] operator in the same TP. Add another +35% for Siege"

[stoic spoke]

How about:
E2: +20% to each [Glasgow] operator in the same TP. Additional +35% to Siege.

(Edited for correction)

[leaden grove]

I have a better idea

[leaden grove]

Just look 30 pixels over and see the amount that siege has

[uncut dome]

Excluding self?

[fluid pollen]

LOL.

[stoic spoke]

E2: +20% to each [Glasgow] operator in the same TP. Additional +35% to Siege.

[fluid pollen]

[uncut dome]

That's almost just the same as what Nanashi said smh

[stoic spoke]

Yeah, the "instead" makes it confusing

[uncut dome]

This the first time I see it as confusing but I can see why it can be confusing

@jaunty notch

[fluid pollen]

Uh huh.

[uncut dome]

Uh huh uh huh

My hater hating again

[jaunty notch]

if it ain't broken don't fix it but sure ig

i put 55 before cuz people didn't know that you have to add the 2 numbers btw

i guess i'll become a zyf hater too

[leaden grove]

Nanashi is just special

[jaunty notch]

I hope you guys understand but i can't be changing things just because 1 or 2 person don't get the desc when everyone else does (or at least has never brought it up from chapter 12)

[jaunty notch]

so what makes it confusing?
it's 20 for glasgow, but siege gets 55

[stuck crow]

tbf with current description

you should change numbers below morgan

i assume it's cropped and to the right of her is Siege

[jaunty notch]

yeah

it's 20 55 rn

you want it to be 75 instead?

[stuck crow]

it's not siege who gets extra prod, it's morgan

[jaunty notch]

then the substitutes won't get 20 either, and then i'll have to note morgan's only x% with these guys

and it'll just be even more confusing with delphine

[stuck crow]

frankly subs are so bad idt they even deserve a mention but sure

[leaden grove]

I think it makes perfect sense in context with siege but if you were to look just at Morgan by herself then I guess it warrants making it a bit clearer

Not sure why that would be necessary but hey🚬

[jaunty notch]

not everyone has siege

[leaden grove]

Yes but it makes sense when they’re side by side as you have it

[stuck crow]

then why would you run morgan...

it's just shittier midnight gummy cata

that needs cc slot with e2 unit

[jaunty notch]

and it's about information instead

I'll think about the 75% thing, but i'm gonna say it will be even more confusing

before that, all the stuff like mizuki, dorothy and such works p much the same

so there's no point in trying to clump them up

[leaden grove]

don’t sweat it too much I think

[jaunty notch]

i mean yeah, sorry but ticket rejected

morgan's in game desc is +35% when there's siege so read that i guess

[rugged phoenix]

base guide is for peeps who havent tried the combo yet, but planning to

[rugged phoenix]

ineffective usage in the sentence

[leaden grove]

[leaden grove]

What are you even trying to say here

[rugged phoenix]

you mean 30 pixels in the sheet? ahh

[leaden grove]

[leaden grove]

Glasgow gets 20% but instead siege gets 55%

It’s quite simple

[stoic spoke]

[rugged phoenix]

i was circling around the whole +35% +55%,+65%, and +135% on siege for a while wondering how morgan applies and how the math works

extra mental strength couldve been spared by not having to realize +35% + 20% = 55% with +10% from delph to get to 65%

[leaden grove]

erm

[stoic spoke]

Currently, the first sentence implies Morgan gets +20% for each Glasgow. Then the +55% "for" Seige instead makes it seem like Siege is getting it(as the sheet has +65% written under Seige), because then Morgan should be 50% = 10% (Delphine) + 20% (self Glasgow) + 20% (Siege Glasgow)

E2: +20% to each [Glasgow] operator in the same TP. Additional +35% to Siege.
Making it like this, makes it less confusing.

[leaden grove]

As I said

Just look over and see that siege has the 55%🥹

It’s all explained perfectly by the context

[stoic spoke]

Then morgan should get her own 20% for Siege being Glasgow too?

[leaden grove]

[stoic spoke]

Please read this peoperly

[rugged phoenix]

first train of thought is to assign morgan to +40% because there are 2 gg unit in the pic, but she is listed as 30%
so next is assign 20% to both siege and morgan while checking if vinavic is gg or victoria
then read the +55% and make siege get 20+55% = 75% but realizes thats wrong
tries to apply +55% somehow to morgan but thats obviously wrong
read morgan again, read morgan in wiki sees +35%
gets puzzled, writes down what it says "+55% FOR siege INSTEAD"
so its actually 20+35% = 55%
but it says 65%... and remembered delphine +10%
then starts to write them all down to hit 135%

[leaden grove]

That’s not gato’s problem ngl

[rugged phoenix]

all that can be avoided by explicitly stating "siege gets an extra +35%"

[leaden grove]

You already said that that’s how the game states it

So it doesn’t matter

[rugged phoenix]

Additional +35% to Siege is intuitive

[leaden grove]

The combo guide illustrates it in context just fine

[rugged phoenix]

the sheet still writes it ineffectively hence my suggestion

why change what the game states?

[leaden grove]

Because the game very often states things ineffectively or wrong

[rugged phoenix]

is it ineffective or wrong this time?

[leaden grove]

Glasgow gets 20, siege gets 55. This is still 100% accurate

[stuck crow]

i mean sheet doesn't say that but eh

[rugged phoenix]

the info is accurate but harder to digest for readers

[leaden grove]

*reader

[stuck crow]

in practice it doesn't matter

[rugged phoenix]

what im proposing is simply an qol

[leaden grove]

Okay

[stuck crow]

the numbers below workers (in 3 worker combos) are actually huge source of confusion for some people

I've seen it more than once for sure

people don't read, because they see the numbers only and assume everything is fine

[leaden grove]

Pebcac 🤫

[stuck crow]

it's very bad in cases like Pozy comp

[rugged phoenix]

i get why the bottom nums gets written that way after understanding it

[stuck crow]

or Nothing

[rugged phoenix]

since you wanna fit substitute logic

[leaden grove]

It’s hard in pozy comp true

[stoic spoke]

Why not this though. Isn't it clearer?

[stuck crow]

mfw 0 sui no mulberry

[leaden grove]

But you need like a full matrix for pozy comp

[stuck crow]

guy still runs Nothing cause he didn't read and assumes it's static 55%

[rugged phoenix]

spacejam dont give a fuck

[stuck crow]

is it on him? sure
should we maybe try to prevent those? sure

[leaden grove]

Are you referring to the part in proviso section

[stoic spoke]

neither should I (I don't have Siege)

[stuck crow]

around that, yeah

[stuck crow]

.

those aren't just made up examples btw, i literally saw people doing that

and those are the ones that typed/talked in discord only, i imagine there are lots of people who just run 1% nothing or gigashitty pozy for example

[leaden grove]

I mentioned it to him and he added a link back to WP team explainer, and it already said that partners assumed full combos

And if someone adds nothing and doesn’t see the production number not change, idk man 🫡

[stuck crow]

oh it's not my first time mentioning it either
but the problem is deeper than "just fix it"

I'm mostly explaining the Nanashi side here

or part of it

[leaden grove]

I mean…

[rugged phoenix]

pozy states all possible numbers which is a bad idea overall

[leaden grove]

Okay but

Do you actually know how pozy team works

[rugged phoenix]

my suggestion is simply to fix wording

[leaden grove]

Because it’s quite complicated

[stuck crow]

also it's basically

"developer intention" vs "how playerbase uses it"

vast vast majority of people use it as "best combo guide"

if you need the info for individual ops you go to wiki, no

[stoic spoke]

Let him come online

[leaden grove]

The wording doesn’t need “fixing”, you just are trying to prevent the misunderstanding you had. Which is fine but that doesn’t mean it’s broken

[stuck crow]

i fear me pushing for example rotations etc being added to the main page contributed to that

but also i believe that it being a "guide" is more valuable anyway

[leaden grove]

I think it’s up to the user to see a combo and look at the skills and understand how the gaps in their roster might hinder its effectiveness

[rugged phoenix]

so you believe that the wording is fine as is and effective in relaying intended info?

[stuck crow]

the problem is that they don't

[rugged phoenix]

sorry for the ping

[leaden grove]

Of course 🫡

[stuck crow]

i actually pushed for just making it into a sheet for nerds, remove 243 slop entirely

[stoic spoke]

No, it needs fixing

[stoic spoke]

..

[stuck crow]

but it got shut down, so reap what you sow

[leaden grove]

[stoic spoke]

[leaden grove]

You can just read my post you replied to again idk man

[opaque oriole]

What's is this chungus riic beef y'all are having

[leaden grove]

Man

[stuck crow]

damn it went so badly we got tourists?

[leaden grove]

This is lame

[uncut dome]

[stuck crow]

oh yeah zyf

[uncut dome]

[stoic spoke]

Shouldn't the approach be to keep it as less ambiguous as possible? Instead of leaving it as reader's homework?

Or maybe it should be left as reader's homework

[opaque oriole]

Help chat is dead so I'm wandering around

[leaden grove]

This shit is so ass

[opaque oriole]

But I like the 55% I thinks it's easier to understand

[leaden grove]

Wow nerd

Homework enjoyer

[opaque oriole]

Wtfish

[stuck crow]

🫡

is this better

changing something as substancial as fia target makes dorms so cursed (although they were already)
fia on bryo proviso

karlan will be replaced by glasgow but later, idk if there are other improvements to be made

[uncut dome]

It is better but again I question why you don't Fia 3 ops

[stuck crow]

i miss timings

[stoic spoke]

What is this secret interface

[uncut dome]

Ohhh I see then that's fine

[stuck crow]

same reason why this is 24hours working time for "main" shift

[uncut dome]

You can stagger RR actually

[stuck crow]

although i could probably kick mly hm

[uncut dome]

Other than that it looks good

[stuck crow]

glorious isn't it

[stoic spoke]

[rugged phoenix]

it relies on the amount of GPL and durin count

pozy
1 durin = +1 GPL
5% * GPL = pozy bonus

Kirara
GPL = GPL + floor(GPL/2) * 2 (Doesnt consider GPL bonus from Pozy)
5% = Kirara bonus

Tuye
5% + 15% * floor(GPL/2) = Tuye bonus

on 5 fac GPL and 4 durin

pozy +4 GPL = 9 GPL
Kirara +4 GPL = 13 GPL

pozy = 5 * 13 = 65%
Kirara = 5%
tuye = 5% + 15% * 6 = 95%

total = 165%

wiki is more intuitive while sheet is for result checking and kirara pozy clash context

[leaden grove]

I hope you didn’t spend much time on that

[stuck crow]

please tell me you didn't actually type it

[leaden grove]

I run GPL dog🥹

[rugged phoenix]

i got to learn pozy combo while at it

not that bad

[stoic spoke]

Man fuck this

[uncut dome]

It lacks some things

[rugged phoenix]

i will never get how the sheet get those numbers if i purely rely on sheet

[stoic spoke]

I suggest, Base knowledge should be made as complicated as possible so only the truest nerds get most production

[uncut dome]

Like 4 max durinds and ops placement bug unless that has been fixed

[leaden grove]

Now we’re talking

[uncut dome]

Gatekeeping

We wanna be inclusive here

[stoic spoke]

Gatekeeping ❌
Reading-keeping ✅

[leaden grove]

I mean it’s AK so that’s on by default I guess

[stoic spoke]

[jaunty notch]

i mean judging on the amount of people who lost their accounts

yeah

[stoic spoke]

Nanashi writing another novel

[rugged phoenix]

GPL calc:
GPL = base_GPL + durin_count + (floor(base_GPL/2) * 2)

Bonus calc:
Kirara bonus = 5%
Pozy bonus = 5% * GPL
Tuye bonus = 5% + 15% * floor(GPL/2)

is this easier to read?

[jaunty notch]

would people read it in the first place

back to games i go

[urban orchid]

I'm just so confused why they reduced the clicking area here to be this small

[rugged phoenix]

prob new fast recipe switching feature
if you click on carbon brick on the top you can instantly switch to its recipe with a button popup

and that somehow carried to the middle one?

[stuck crow]

oh, remove Red completely? yeah looks good

idr why i did it the way it is now

[fluid pollen]

[floral spruce]

are there any 12 hour 243 or 153 layouts that anybody is using?

[orchid bane]

anyone can explain this ?

[stuck crow]

you put Ethan/manti in pp

[orchid bane]

probally Dramatzi

I don't remember the exact name, It was some kind of disguised creature in chap 12

[fluid pollen]

Damazti?

[pale yoke]

[inner ocean]

No Rhine Lab ops has a training skill, right?

[fluid pollen]

Nope.

[stoic spoke]

[round dock]

Inconsistent collection times, so I don't know if this is good

[languid blaze]

high on AO, assume you drone ao tp. not much prob with stack lmd/roc

[round dock]

Also was droning the AO TP at first, but the factory needed to catch up

Yeah, I feel like I've not lost any rock or LMD

[languid blaze]

2 shard fac then

[round dock]

I hate how the factory only lasts ~6.5hrs, and the TP won't last long enough either

Honestly, I could maybe do a level 2 AO factory too

[round dock]

oh, I have an annoyance with one of my presets

I do FEater/Specter, which works, then Mayer/Conviction, which works, but FEater/Conviction won't (FEater rests after Conviction), any idea why?

my CC ones work with staggered, but this one doesn't

[radiant sable]

Okay guys do you have like, an infographic with an entire base operator setup

I put proviso and TRC in lv 2 TP, which leads to adding yato and noir alter to CC so clearly following breadcrumbs won't work

[leaden grove]

Idk what you mean by that

But check pins

base combo guide

[radiant sable]

well now I'm wondering what the other 3 slots in CC should be but I'm guessing it depends on all other spots

so first I'd have to figure out how to staff everything else

[stuck crow]

i posted my shitty 252 mr rotation above if you want

[leaden grove]

The most complicated multi-facility combos are like 10/12 ops.

Most are 4-6. You got this

[stuck crow]

but firstly you should go read what your ops do

[radiant sable]

guess I'll go through the guide one building at a time, I figured out my tp2 with proviso + mh team

time to figure out the lv 3 TP

something with tequila in it

[leaden grove]

No need to figure out

[radiant sable]

shamare tequila bibeak?

[leaden grove]

Shamare tequila + tailoring

[stuck crow]

shamare teq pozy/eben plug

[round dock]

AO kind of sucks since I can't use any of my normal subs effectively

[radiant sable]

ok factory time, I've got 2 3's and 3 2's, focus on 3's first?

[round dock]

depends on who you want in the factories

[leaden grove]

I mean, it just depends what combos you can make

[round dock]

I ran 3 level 2 Gold, and 2xlevel 3 EXP

but again, depends on what you want more etc

[leaden grove]

Hey me too

[radiant sable]

Do you guys bother using muelsyse rhine lab stuff

I figured I'd staff the powerplants first

[leaden grove]

I don’t have her so idk.

[radiant sable]

If an op isn't on the sheet is she just not worth using

like Spuria

[leaden grove]

Every op is in the sheet

[radiant sable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=2059549926#gid=2059549926

I'm in the PP section and she's not listed though

[leaden grove]

Oh wow

Rare gato L

[radiant sable]

but she's good right?

[leaden grove]

Not really no

[radiant sable]

oof

[leaden grove]

@jaunty notch btw🫡

Didn’t mean to ping you dyo

[radiant sable]

How do I kill lancet quickly

[leaden grove]

Ideally you use pp to buff your factories with Greyy alter

Hopefully you have e2 weedy

And e2 Eunectes

[radiant sable]

are you running this

[leaden grove]

I don’t have Eunectes but yes

[stuck crow]

how often do you login

[leaden grove]

Just Greyy to buff weedy

[stuck crow]

i find it interesting how literally everyone here seems to praise dead lancet

but the strat is legitimately hurting your prod if you don't login often enough

[leaden grove]

Capacity issue?

[round dock]

how's it hurting?

you referring to capped Factory?

[stoic spoke]

craft stuff

[radiant sable]

How often do you have to login for dead lancet

[stoic spoke]

login before factory is full

[round dock]

she's dead, so there's that

[radiant sable]

fucking genious

[round dock]

if level 2 factory, maybe 9-9.5hrs or so with Pure/Weedy

[stoic spoke]

[radiant sable]

dead lancet means I can never again press auto rest huh

[leaden grove]

Yep gg

[radiant sable]

I guess weedy purestream with dead lancet is better for a lv 2 factory instead of cramming a rando in

but then you'd use purestream elsewhere

[leaden grove]

Yes

Purestream is better than Eunectes in 252

[radiant sable]

well shit I don't have passenger and windflit for 3rd slot

plan's a bust

[stoic spoke]

if there is space in cc, keep eunectes there and save a factory slot

[radiant sable]

yeah I got eunectes in CC with dead lancet

so now I have weedy and purestream sitting in a t3 but nobody to fill the 3rd slot

[stoic spoke]

then put weedy and purestream in a lvl2 fac

[radiant sable]

but it says if you're gonna use a lvl2 fac you're better off using purestream elsewhere

[stoic spoke]

because a 3rd partner in weedy fac is usually 25%

so not good

[radiant sable]

ok I got 1 lv 2 fac sorted

[leaden grove]

That’s fine though

[radiant sable]

this seems interesting

[leaden grove]

It’s very interesting

[radiant sable]

but it would use my last 2 cc slots

worth it?

[stuck crow]

yes

[radiant sable]

actually that's better for a rotation

[stuck crow]

factory caps, so extra prod is wasted
but your drone prod is also kneecapped

so it's lose-lose

[leaden grove]

Yes, mlynar vivi flametail is one of the ‘meta’ cc slot combos

[stoic spoke]

I've only had it cap overnight once in the start, after that, I just collect it before going to sleep and it's fine in the morning after 7 hrs.

forgot turning the ping off

[radiant sable]

is doing a full abyssal hunter team spread across to lv 2 facs a bad idea?

[leaden grove]

There’s nothing inherently bad about the capacity issue

You just need to know

[leaden grove]

As long as your login schedule accommodates it, I think it’s fine

[stuck crow]

you immediately can sleep after doing base, sleep for 7 hours and then immediately check the base after waking up?
ping was disabled btw, it's fine

[stoic spoke]

collected and go to bed at 24:00, wake up at 7:00

its still fine for like 8-9hours

[stoic spoke]

.

[radiant sable]

nvm I'm missing too many

okay I think I'm out of base wide combos, so at this point I should just go through each building one by one

[leaden grove]

Basically

[stoic spoke]

Baseically

[radiant sable]

with 2 lv 3 fac's do you have one exp one gold?

or do you switch based on who's working it

[leaden grove]

Considerations to make are:

what do you need to make
where can you get the most value

Like, if you have a 3 person combo and one operator is only +15% then maybe that should be a 2 person combo

[radiant sable]

is dorothy wasted on a fac 2

[leaden grove]

It’s only 30% each, unless you have silence alter e2, so not a waste but you probably have something better

[lapis night]

So i just started the game and just cleared 0-11, when should i start paying attention to this segment of the game?

[radiant sable]

asap

especially just constructing stuff

[lapis night]

Do i use the pinned links in this channel to make full use of my base?

[radiant sable]

don't level the right side of your base past lv 1 if you don't know what you're doing

can't undo it

[lapis night]

I spent the first 15 crates i got on constructing the entire first floor

[lapis night]

didn't upgrade anything yet, i think?

[radiant sable]

there's a quest to get a lv 4 dorm for one of those pinboard tasks, level a dorm to 4, get 4000 ambience and then deconstruct it to lv 1

saves you time later on

[leaden grove]

Good place to start is /base and /baseskills in #bot-spam 🫡

[radiant sable]

but you're probably too early in the game to actually get the mats for lv 4 yet

[lapis night]

I got a prompet to upgrade the control center to lv2, but i am missing a keel

[lapis night]

First time i encounter a server where i can make use of bot commands without having to know the unknown

Thank you for the help friends

[leaden grove]

No problem, like dyo said, just be aware that some upgrades are permanent which is problematic for the best base layout. 🫡 The “pinboard missions” that try to get you to do them are a bit of a scam lol

[radiant sable]

luckily you can get all the way to the last pinboard with only a lv 2 rr

and rr is worth upgrading anyway afaik

[leaden grove]

Lvl 2 is fine

Because you can have 15 factory slots and lvl 2 tp with proviso

[radiant sable]

is there a way to see the entire current productivity of your base

[leaden grove]

Nope

[radiant sable]

I've finished setting up my entire first shift

lmk if there's anything blatantly wrong

and proviso gets all the drones right?

[leaden grove]

Sail seems like an oversight

[leaden grove]

Assuming you can keep up with the gold, sure

[radiant sable]

I wasn't sure what to put in there so I added sail

[leaden grove]

Sail is only there to buff HR if you’re using HR to buff other facilities

Her skill won’t activate with eyja

[radiant sable]

yato alter is taking up the factory buffer slot, noir alter is taking up the TP slot

[leaden grove]

Add an alter or TP buffer like Amiya or ascalon

[radiant sable]

I could add a RR buffer

Amiya doesn't stack with noir according to the sheet

they're both 7%

[leaden grove]

Oh yeah I forgot that noir has that skill

[radiant sable]

technically noir isn't e2 yet so he doesn't have it so I could actually use amiya

[leaden grove]

I would do that then

[radiant sable]

trying to figure out the 2nd shift sure is gonna be an experience