help

[limpid yarrow]

the ominous 90 something wang solos

[south fog]

Guys i dont have much Incandescent Alloy(9) can i use my stamina to farm in the event i have alot of stamina on the inventory because of the monthly card

[buoyant sigil]

Doesn’t change how ptilopsis has consistent functionality and better numbers. She also has burst healing, duh.

[wraith sentinel]

I mean, you're supposed to farm the event so yes?

[smoky urchin]

Is there any cinema roll event like red wine or something that gives a good caster?

[balmy panther]

yes the point of events is to use sanity in them

[opaque remnant]

Steward works as generic caster for now, once you get click you can use her as a caster, spot works as a defender, though ideally you’d use cuora once you get her

[south fog]

Thank you guys

[hidden wolf]

Nah

[smoky urchin]

Well, I got myself ptilopsis, neat, need more E2 materials though

[hidden wolf]

Use click. Hes very good

[balmy panther]

at the absolute worst case
ch17 will have a decent arts welfare

[opaque remnant]

Also grab kroosalt since they’re cheap to raise

[hidden wolf]

Click is good enough for story

[balmy panther]

sure
but the 6star caster is better than click

[opaque remnant]

Will you really be lacking arts once you get to chap17

[ancient current]

please use something else than salter I thought you meant sa2 and spent ten minutes wondering wtf he was doing in this discussion

[jovial urchin]

There are a lot of ways to avoid having to heal. Early on, Silence is enough. Later on, we have deployment orders, baits, fast redeploys, helidrops, guardians (unironically Supah has proven that even Gummy's healing and tanking was enough for CC11), and ofc killing before they cause any harm.

[buoyant sigil]

She’s generally just fine at elite promotion 1. Preferably on the max level, but it’s just fine to keep her at 40 with skill level 7. Generally, she doesn’t get much from Elite 2, so just forget about it.

[smoky urchin]

Gotta say I got no idea who's click

[opaque remnant]

Yeah, you don’t have them

[hidden wolf]

Costs more to build tho.

[buoyant sigil]

You don’t have them, but it’s okay. You’re eventually gonna get her.
For now, steward’s a good general pick.

[balmy panther]

sure man
dont build wang
click is enough after all

[opaque remnant]

You can raise steward, also get everyone you use to skill level 7, it makes a substantial difference

[abstract mauve]

yeah silence2 seems to be the better way to refer to her

[pale tapir]

between salter and olivialter which do u hate less

[hidden wolf]

Keep doing recruitment u will get them. Hes a caster mage

[ancient current]

or silence alt or whatever
but everyone says salter for sa2 so

[buoyant sigil]

Isn’t click a woman
thought so

[abstract mauve]

she was the og salter smh

[smoky urchin]

Nawh, I'll wait 2 months

[opaque remnant]

They are

[hidden wolf]

Nah its different. The welfare one is barely any better than click

[pale tapir]

sa2 should be sashter

[ancient current]

copium nobody was calling her that

[balmy panther]

ok no
thats some ako help level of reaching
wait
we are in ako help

[smoky urchin]

Okay, is steward better than Amiya?

[opaque remnant]

Doing recruitments is something you should continue doing, it’s free currency for the cert shop and you get free 4 stars every once in a while

[pale tapir]

no
but he doesn't cost daughter money to raise

[ancient current]

no
but amiya is more expensive

[opaque remnant]

No, but the things they do is practically similar

[smoky urchin]

Oh that, yeah, I've done like 12 but haven't seen. 4* or 5* from 9 hours wait

[ancient current]

and their performance at e1 isn’t that much different tbh

[abstract mauve]

are you saying Viy is barely any better than click?

[opaque remnant]

Investing in Amiya is quite costly

[ancient current]

shileds how is viy? barely heard anything about him ever since he released

[buoyant sigil]

Amiya is more expensive for a mediocre-ass performance where in contrast steward is dirt cheap

[smoky urchin]

It's depressing to hear ngl, poor King of Fiends....

[abstract mauve]

he seems to be just an ebenholz sidegrade. his damage is ok. the main thing i think he outdoes ebenholz is off-skill damage since he can store 9 orbs

[pale tapir]

yes when u raise amiya u have to pamper her with expensive gifts and exquisite birthday parties
most of the time you'll be using medicmiya anyway so castermiya is just whatever

[balmy panther]

unironically usable

[opaque remnant]

There’s tags combos for 4 stars and (some) 5 stars, you can search using /rectags in #bot-spam

[jovial urchin]

I mean I have to say investing the e2 ticket on Amiya is not the end of the world if anyone accidentally did it

[abstract mauve]

Viy s3 actually feels kinda nice to use but the damage itself could've been better

[opaque remnant]

I simply invest in Amiyi because I love my daughter

[abstract mauve]

viy s2 is just kinda shit overall. needs him to have 9 orbs prepared before skill so that he can get same output as s3

s3 is just use when you feel like it

[opaque remnant]

So click is better to raise for newbies still during the debut?

[limpid yarrow]

viy will go crazy in stronghold protocol

[jovial urchin]

Yea to get to that Amiya you still need to pamper her with the same expensive gifts and exquisite birthday parties

[abstract mauve]

if they are willing to e2 him, viy is a way better investment

[smoky urchin]

Haha, aight, I'll now thankfully continue with ptilopsis! Though what skill should I use on her?

[ancient current]

ok this is mad funny I can't lie

[limpid yarrow]

we’re all investing in viy stock

[opaque remnant]

S2, also you really should get everyone you use to skill level 7, the difference in performance is very noticeable

[limpid yarrow]

you just know he’s going to give agile like astgenne2 and silence2 🥹

[abstract mauve]

😟

[balmy panther]

astgenne 2 gives agile? lol

[pale tapir]

astgenne alt has agile?

[buoyant sigil]

Does aspd in mystic casters make them get orbs faster?

[abstract mauve]

yes

[limpid yarrow]

astgenne replaces silence altogether for spa2

[jovial urchin]

B-but it's no fair, Click is on S2

[opaque remnant]

Holy shit rapid fire ebenballs

[pale tapir]

only in spa2 or in spa1 as well?

[smoky urchin]

Will do! Though some skills are so pointless to upgrade to level 7? Like shamare level ups give 88 energy cost to 87 energy on next level up, like whaat

[abstract mauve]

im guessing astgenne2 really good there?

[opaque remnant]

Energy?

[limpid yarrow]

very nice
very very nice

[wraith sentinel]

It's the reason why Mystic Casters often have an ASPD up Skill.

[balmy panther]

shes probably in kjerag alliance no?

[smoky urchin]

The green bolt

[buoyant sigil]

I see I see

[abstract mauve]

i dont know much about lore but i dont think she has kjerag affiliation
also havent played sp2 smh

[opaque remnant]

We call that SP

[smoky urchin]

Oh, myb, will take note of that

[buoyant sigil]

Nah nah, don’t need to level shamare’s skills right now. You probably have better uses rn.

[jovial urchin]

Skill point, 88sp equals to 88 seconds of wait time

[opaque remnant]

I will mention, some ops don’t need to be raised to sl7 as they are baseslaves

[wraith sentinel]

Shamare's S2 is quite decent though, worth M3ing I find.

[limpid yarrow]

it is quite good

[pale tapir]

if you actually use it that is

[hidden nacelle]

cocaine bear mega counter

[wraith sentinel]

Good cycle and good debuff.

[opaque remnant]

Would you really recommend upgrading shamare to someone who just started

[limpid yarrow]

has endgame uses too you probably won't regret
on top of good basea bility

[jovial urchin]

Simply borrow a clownslayer

[wraith sentinel]

Just that going for Skill Level 7 isn't a waste.

[opaque remnant]

I get she isn’t bad, but like, I think there’s better prios

[hidden nacelle]

*borrow my crownslayer

[smoky urchin]

Let's goo! That's enough to convince me! I've heard she's op with tequila, so stacked

[wraith sentinel]

For base, yes.

[buoyant sigil]

Only for base

[pale tapir]

and both want e2 for base 🥀

[opaque remnant]

That’s a base combo, make no mistake

[limpid yarrow]

teq can be e1 for base
e2 teq is probably good to start off though

[wraith sentinel]

Defense debuff probably helps Tequila too, but not 'op'.

[smoky urchin]

Yeah well, I guess I have a long way to learn all this, cause I didn't know they have base combos

[opaque remnant]

Base is entirely different from the normal gameplay

[smoky urchin]

Ngl, when you say basez you mean? Where I'm cultivating the exp and etc? Or a gameplay wise game mode

[opaque remnant]

The former

[pale tapir]

there is no gameplay in base it's just set and press collect rotate rest daily

[opaque remnant]

It’s basically your best source of consistent LMD and EXP

[viral ravine]

Can someone tell me how to beat this stage? I've been trying for weeks

[smoky urchin]

Oh...

[jovial urchin]

Her use case in endgame is quite limited imo, it has potential, but -50% def can be replaced by fragile from gnosis or suzu and you prefer not to tank damage in endgame anyway so -50% attack damage is under utilized. She was supposed to be good in CCB4 where enemies had high def, but we ended up using arts and elemental damage anyway, with Hoshiguma doing most of the tanking when the stage started

[opaque remnant]

You’re definitely doing something wrong… better asked in #strategy though

[normal apex]

kill the enemies before they get into the blue box

[balmy panther]

sure
replace -50% def with 30% fragile against something like endmiya
same result surely

[smoky urchin]

Peak advice doctor

[jovial urchin]

We have Rosmontis for that, lower number but made up by the fact that we have relics and "Rise and fall". If we're that concerned about defensive stats then true damage would be good enough, even on d18

[balmy panther]

bro did not just compare -4K defense with -300 defense 😭

[marble viper]

[jovial urchin]

4k defense is nothing when you're that close to the ending. True damage, Wisadel, Ros, Mon3tr, Texas (This is only me), Mlynar, etc etc. And all of them can easily reach 10k-15k damage per hit from a single basic attack if you have good relics

[formal jolt]

What stage is it?

[wraith sentinel]

H15-4 I think?

[limpid yarrow]

is6 ed2 stomp
<d18 tanking is3 izumik
is5 snipermed and other assorted poverty drafts

[tacit wolf]

Is there any info on why we haven't had a fartooth kernel rerun?

[topaz wagon]

Pram vs spectre... which is a bigger priority based on the units im using?

[limpid yarrow]

also good in stronghold protocol

[wraith sentinel]

Pramanix the Prerita? Her definitely, regardless of your operators.

[jovial urchin]

Like I can't really see myself or anyone with a decent roster use Shamare on any IS, even with stat check endings like Amiya. There are just so many better options

[limpid yarrow]

play more IS tbh

[tacit wolf]

Pramalter is better but if its prama vs spectre, get spectre

[limpid yarrow]

she comes up because -50% atk/def is a nice debuff(and 5 star hope cost is relatively cheap)

[topaz wagon]

I have them both, just not sure which to raise up.

[wraith sentinel]

Then Specter.

[tacit wolf]

Spectre is much better, especially with your team comps

[topaz wagon]

Bet. Ty

[ancient current]

nope she's useless

[wraith sentinel]

Pramanix doesn't do too much unfortunately.

[ancient current]

shamare but shit

[topaz wagon]

Didn't seem like it, but I was unsure.

Side q- is Magellan worth using/building. I never liked that her summons take up deployment slots.

[limpid yarrow]

no

[tacit wolf]

Also why have we never had a fartooth rerun. Legit the only operator im missing.

[wraith shoal]

cause yostar doesnt wanna put her in a banner

[tacit wolf]

How is yostar picking these kernel banners

[jovial urchin]

I'm also bringing her up as a limited potential unit because of damage reduction, especially IS5 where everything including their grandma will have some sort of damage reduction. IS2, IS3 and IS5 all have damage reduction baked into their difficulty system and those can't be simply dealt with using Shamare

[tacit wolf]

Some fartooth simp has shit in the yostar cereal or smth

[limpid yarrow]

and yet shamare is widely used in is2 and 5 and usable in 3 😭

[ancient current]

not if you can't bother yourself on how to extensively learn how to use her properly

[ancient current]

they throw darts blindfolded

[tacit wolf]

This makes sense

[hidden wolf]

Is irene good

[topaz wagon]

I can bother w that. I figured id need to bother w that for nasti too, since I have her.

Just dk how flexible either is/who id sub them into my party for.

[ancient current]

no

[limpid yarrow]

kroos2 + shamare to dps quilon are we feeling this
shamare -50% atk to keep everyone alive against amiya and for p3 burst
is2 shamare -50% is how you keep everyone alive for bsl against the slaps
is3 def debuff for jellies and keep everyone alive against acid(if not cancelling)

[tacit wolf]

No, all of that archetype, arent that worth building unless you like the playstyle

[topaz wagon]

Wait really?! Ive been building her thinking she was useful lmaooo

[tacit wolf]

If you have like 0 6 star guards outside welfare/ beyond year 2 then yeah

[limpid yarrow]

irene has an interesting IS module but nothing too strong 😔

[ancient current]

she's just too clunky to use
offensive recovery sucks

[tacit wolf]

You dont have better guards, shes fine for you

[topaz wagon]

Lolol alright.

[pale tapir]

raidian:

[tacit wolf]

Radiian is a lil different tbf

[topaz wagon]

If it wasn't already obvious, I dont think Ive played since... 2020? 2021? This is my acc from back then lmaooo. I just wanted it for SA. Man's my GOAT.

[tacit wolf]

Also i dont see people using radiian all that often outside is6

[topaz wagon]

Wait... 2019? 🤔 🤔 🤔 idr

[limpid yarrow]

decent unit for a newer roster

[tacit wolf]

2019 is game release

[limpid yarrow]

also radian being free to build is a pretty big help

[topaz wagon]

Then like 20/21

[tacit wolf]

Unless im tripping hard

[ancient current]

nope it is february 2019

[topaz wagon]

Then i think i stopped right before 2nd year anniversary haha

[pale tapir]

I used her to clear every stage of this event so far newer players will benefit from raising her, though paradoxically she'll be harder to raise for them too

[tacit wolf]

I looked it up, its seemingly jan 2020 for global and may 2019 for cn

[wraith shoal]

worth it to buy bibeak for shamteq?

[ancient current]

oops my bad I mixed it up with my other fav game which released on feb 17

[jovial urchin]

Just trying to be constructive here, not to hate or anything but I still don't get why we use Shamare when there are better solutions for each of these problems. Coming from an IS player myself, wanting to be better.

• Wisadel, Rosmontis and Greyy + Flinger hand easily cheeses this stage. Not to mention the efficiency because a lot of times you only need those 3 to win 90% of IS5's pre expansion stages. So why bother with Kroos alter + Shamare who are only reserved for that purpose?
• BSL is shit, Ig I'll have to try this out instead of relying on Ulpianus's S3 spam or Rose salt
• Mind over matter squad """trivializes""" this stage no?. Degen helidrop, Wisadel, Pram alter, Yato alter spam, etc. All make the jellyfish go boom without having to be deployed for long

[tacit wolf]

Yeah, its not like she is weak or anything, same with ling, but beyond her being welfare shes not strong either

You can kind of get almost anything to work

[opaque remnant]

I do want to know how much masteries impact her, I haven’t gotten to maxing out my radian

[ancient current]

idk but 1 gold cert is nice if you can spare the red certs

[jovial hound]

Is Haruka module worth getting?

Is Hoshi2 worth building?

[ancient current]

mod1 haruka, and yes

[opaque remnant]

You can buy her in the next CC

[limpid yarrow]

mb i assumed isc medal conditions
snipermed(by master bait) uses sham for p3 for damage + krooster. playing without wis ban you can maybe use wis for p3 but you still want sham to break through his defense
bsl is shit but still a lot of damage pressure now that d15 makes the stats at a 2026 level
MoM is lowkey terrible 💀 wis s3 is like maybe 75% of a jellyfish relicless at d18
but if you play lower ig there's less of a need

[pale tapir]

tbh idk I didn't use her outside of IS6 until she was m9

[wraith shoal]

If I'm good enough

[opaque remnant]

Then get better

[wraith shoal]

on another note, my gacha addiction got me a narantuya. S3M3 and mod?

[ancient current]

sure

[limpid yarrow]

probably

[jovial hound]

Haruka best skill?

[ancient current]

s2

[buoyant sigil]

Does s3 have niche utility

[ancient current]

haven't heard of relevant s3 usage

[limpid yarrow]

not really
potential skill

[jovial hound]

How does s2 work

[wraith sentinel]

S3 can be funny but downtime is annoying. Also S2 is usually enough.

[limpid yarrow]

"it powercreeps nightingale"
"the 60% sanctuary is crazy"
and then 0 results

[wraith shoal]

big heals, on 2nd activation it's permanent uptime

[buoyant sigil]

Use twice -> unlimited duration -> stupid high healing and sanctuary

[limpid yarrow]

you activate it twice and then she keeps pram2 alive hands free
and then you put the phone down while the stage clears itself

[ancient current]

2-way activation like thorns s3
very good healing + sanctuary, infinite duration. targets 3 units at a time with mod1

best healer in the game atm

[opaque remnant]

If you ever die with high HPS along with 30% sanc, you’re just doing things wrong

Especially in gen content

[jovial urchin]

Like the stat bypass for IS5 is so bloated, one single basic attack hit from Wisadel could easily reach 10k dph with good relics, having shamare feels redundant when you could just use another person to help

(Also I literally just saw someone soloed Izumik using Pram alter on facebook on d18 )

The clip I just showed yall of me trying to leak Quilon was literally just Greyy and SA doing the heavy lifting, I didn't even notice Quilon had dropped too low for leaking phase one

[tepid barn]

life is great when you have good relics, that wont always be the case, also you cant rely on getting all your solutions on the specific voucher you want so its good to have them spread across different vouchers and support is one of the less contested ones in is5 for sniper med

[vocal pulsar]

mont3r mod good?

[ancient current]

mod1 is good, mod3 is nice iirc

[vocal pulsar]

Aight thanks

[ancient current]

idk i got mod3 instantly and it looked good, didn't bother testing yet though

[wraith sentinel]

If you use S2 it is good, if you use S3 it doesn't change much.

[limpid yarrow]

number go up
m3 known good unit

[ancient current]

ye

[supple fossil]

Is mon3tr mod3 worth it? I don't know how much the bounce actually reduces

[wraith sentinel]

The bounce buff is already on the first level I think. 15% instead of 25% reduction. Plus an additional non-reduced bounce.

[median fable]

mod3 also give the extra heal from reconstruction at full power

[wraith sentinel]

Oh was that on the third level? I see.

[sturdy drift]

Are there any notable 5* caster dps? Roadless Camelot only has 6* so I wasn't sure

[ancient current]

rockrock is fine

[opaque remnant]

Rockrock, not much else

[median fable]

rockrock is among the higher tier
not mentioned since you can't exactly guarantee her

also obligatory

#1 rule in Arknights: classes don't matter, you care only about the role they fulfill. Things like "I need a high rarity of x class" or "I have too many operator of y class" literally means nothing

[jovial urchin]

The problem is we also have various options if we exclude Sniper/Medic. Spec/Cast also has good win rate from what I can tell even on d18. The mech accord casters, Exu, Ela, the duo executors, Logos, Nymph etc. Vanguard/Guard has SA, Quibai (Stalling), Ines, double 5 star agents and uhh a whole bunch of other guards. Def/Supporters have Haruka (I just found out she is a god send for Amiya's and Playwright's stage) Tragodia, Hoshi, Shu etc.

Like there are so many good options to secure a good run if rng is half decent

[limpid yarrow]

the mech accord casters

logos

[sturdy drift]

Ah yes, I was told this before. I just wasn't really sure who would fulfill the role of arts dps for me. I only have suzuran, tragodia, ceobe, ifrit, and amiya, so my options are not looking very good. My only other option for arts dps would be my supporters, but trag does elemental dps

[jovial urchin]

It was my first win on d18 on Amiya don't judge me

[ancient current]

minimalist is bad and kjera is just ok

[buoyant sigil]

What do the greyy2 build recs go like? I’ve heard he’s actually pretty nice in terms of 5* and was wondering if he was worth considering one day raising

[wraith sentinel]

Ifrit (and Ceobe) should do fine, no?

[tepid barn]

whats the context of the run here? like under what conditions do these picks/comps have a good winrate, dif/endings etc

[limpid yarrow]

minimalist and kjera are so good wym
one only costs 1 funds and the other gives you ice

[wraith sentinel]

Also wait Tragodia is there too.

[sturdy drift]

I don't really like ifrit's range and when I asked a few days ago I was told ceobe was very niche

[ancient current]

mod1 bare minimum else he's dysfunctional
i argue m6 but s1m3 for IS is fine
mod3 if you really want to maximise his dmg output in IS ig

[steel sundial]

is either nymph or irene worth getting?

[limpid yarrow]

nymph is a maybe(leaning no) and irene is a no(leaning very much no)

[jovial urchin]

Ending 5 (I play this most of the time because this is my favorite ending). Just a normal IS5 run without any restriction

[buoyant sigil]

What’s his best skill?

[steel sundial]

I should save for wang?

[limpid yarrow]

wang and chen3 probably yea

[steel sundial]

chen alter?

[limpid yarrow]

s1

[ancient current]

s1 in IS
s2 outside of it

[limpid yarrow]

chen alter alter
its a long story
good unit though

[steel sundial]

I will save

[sturdy drift]

Chen alter still good right?

[tepid abyss]

wang is a strong limited

[limpid yarrow]

doing alright
her numbers are stuck in 2022 but she'll do fine in gen content

[tepid abyss]

sure

[tepid barn]

i guess that makes sense, pretty sure the context mangopies was considering is under a standard d18 ed245 run where you are a lot more restricted in hope, relics and economy in general, which means you will struggle meeting the damage check for quilon, sometimes the hp check for amiya's last phase and you wont have the luxury of spending hope on more 6 stars, or even get enough combats to secure all the vouchers you ideally would want

[buoyant sigil]

Does nymph like any of her modules or is it a straight up nah

[ancient current]

she has 1 module. it's shit

[median fable]

ed245 doesn't really matter for a general playstyle
we aren't playing tournaments

[limpid yarrow]

isc medal

[tepid barn]

thats fine

[tepid abyss]

Attack speed +7

[median fable]

matters if you use her s3 with Arturia
otherwise for s2 usage doesn't matter that much

[jovial hound]

Who should I choose

[jovial urchin]

I can't stand Quilon idk how yall endure to see his face everytime you play IS

[tepid abyss]

bagp is useful

[opaque remnant]

If you don’t care about collection, saria pots-

[buoyant sigil]

Doesn’t she have two

[ancient current]

does she

[sturdy drift]

Can tragodia's blood wisper hit air?

[jovial hound]

Is Bagpipe worth building?

[limpid yarrow]

the cat can hit air yes

[buoyant sigil]

Yes, she does. I’m fairly sure.

[sturdy drift]

Is there anything he's bad at? Or is he just overall very good?

[tepid abyss]

sure

[wraith sentinel]

Overall extremely good.

[median fable]

today? Not really imo, you certainly will have higher prio

[ancient current]

2nd one is on cn then. global does not have two

[flint onyx]

And about Ch3n. Her weakness damage trait/talent(forgot which of those it is) imply that her attacks deal weakness damage. So, only her normal attacks are considered for that, or skills and dragon on s3 also doing weakness damage? Because using shamare for -50% def feels better than res shreders

[wraith sentinel]

All her damage is Adaptive.

[tepid barn]

he just doesnt scale well with damage buffs

[ancient current]

haven't caught anything about a nymph 2nd mod though

[opaque remnant]

Funny thing is, pretty sure her dragon also applies

[ancient current]

lemme check

[tepid abyss]

All damage will

[buoyant sigil]

Indeed she does

[sturdy drift]

What about debuffs? Like suzuran fragile?

[median fable]

it was released with zima2 event

[ancient current]

ohhh yeah it came with zimalt

[wraith sentinel]

Elemental Damage isn't affected by debuffs like that.

[ancient current]

didn't see it pass

[limpid yarrow]

you have to try not to laugh

[ancient current]

current one is shit so 2nd one will def be better

[sturdy drift]

So is it like true damage? Or is it reduced by def/res?

[median fable]

current one is not shit though

[limpid yarrow]

its basically true damage atm
there's an elemental resist stat but no one has it above 0

[ancient current]

base effect of Y is already nice

current one does nothing for s2

[sturdy drift]

So it's negative?

[opaque remnant]

I mean, it basically is since like almost no enemies have elemental res

[jovial hound]

Vulpis module worth getting?

[median fable]

yeah, not doing much for s2 doesn't mean shit

[ancient current]

absolutely not

[buoyant sigil]

Ehh, I don’t feel like it.

[ancient current]

she has 1 skill and it's s2 so yes it's indeed shit

[wraith sentinel]

What? No. The vast majority of enemies have 0 Elemental RES meaning they don't take less Elemental Damage.

I don't think any stat can go negative.

[tepid abyss]

Yes, both mods are terrible; level one is enough.

[median fable]

people are just poor and don't have virtuosa 🥹
also even for s2 isn't that bad even if only for the stats

[ancient current]

virtuosa is still copium

never felt any difference with or without X

[buoyant sigil]

I mean, like, wow, slightly faster sp when by chance there is an enemy under burst… within range… wow

[ancient current]

Y will allow better s2 cycling

[tepid abyss]

+7

[limpid yarrow]

+7

[median fable]

it's actually useful since you need +0.2 sp/s for permastall

[buoyant sigil]

Fair does she proc it often enough?

[pale tapir]

tho if she's mod1 already should I just go ahead and mod3

[tepid abyss]

Normally, there's no need for her to control it permanently.

[median fable]

unless absurd res she procs necrosis consistently

[snow siren]

I need help with these levels, the flying robots fly too fast. what's a good counter to them?

[pale tapir]

#strategy can help u

[tepid abyss]

wis

[formal shadow]

:clueless:

[jovial urchin]

Bro stop

[limpid yarrow]

cut your losses 😭

[pale tapir]

even if I use her all the time?

[buoyant sigil]

rma steel… and salt… and module blocks..

absolutely sure you wanna use up this many mod blocks…?

[ancient current]

yes

[limpid yarrow]

mod3 is quite expensive

[ancient current]

i'm the only one here schizo enough to have s1m3 mod3'd her

[buoyant sigil]

just invest in her daughter

[tepid abyss]

Actually, LMB might not be enough first.

[jovial urchin]

I might be close 2nd. Mod3 her only though

[limpid yarrow]

(lmd in english)
its not too bad if your base is kept up
blocks are the bottleneck imo

[pale tapir]

sadge
I don't use suzuran tbh, don't even know what to use her for

[limpid yarrow]

she gives tragodia 0.4 sp/s

[pale tapir]

I don't use tragodia either so that usecase doesn't apply

[limpid yarrow]

gg

[jovial urchin]

[tepid abyss]

Its main function is to slow down enemies and make them vulnerable.

[jovial urchin]

Damn Ig you missing out on ak creative mode

[pale tapir]

yeah it's a shame he's a man

[jovial urchin]

[tepid abyss]

[hidden nacelle]

slow and make everyone in her range take more damage + cope healing

[left tulip]

Can’t you combo her with qiubai

[ancient current]

yes but that's synergy copium

[tepid abyss]

but i don't think qiubai is use ful

[left tulip]

Is logos qiubai suzuran still competitive damage wise even if i assume it’s not smth ppl do

[tepid abyss]

The problem is that none of the three of them have spell penetration.

[limpid yarrow]

i think now the 3 man is liek
sakiko m3 and someone else i forgor

[balmy panther]

logos has a -10 res dubuff

[limpid yarrow]

one of the band members
the combo was the best damage when logos released tho

its all sorts of nice in terms of synergy but no longer needed 😔

[left tulip]

How big is the damage gap between the 3 man you just mentioned and that

[tepid abyss]

I mainly feel that QiuBai is not easy to use.

[jovial urchin]

The trio's damage is still pretty bonkers imo

[balmy panther]

? place down, charge skill, press button
wheres the science

[sturdy drift]

Is it worth it to bring bagpipe just for her talent? I have mountain, so bagpipe is kind of moot for me

[limpid yarrow]

logos qiubai suzu is 400k
sakiko 3 man is 1 million 💀

[pale tapir]

fiona and mountain do different things anyway
you only bring bagwife along if you're running flags

[tepid abyss]

I don't think you'll need the mountain later on.

[ancient current]

neither will you need bagpipe

[sturdy drift]

I'm sorry, I don't understand this sentence

[pale tapir]

you won't need bagpipe either

[tepid abyss]

bagp is useful

[ancient current]

you won't need mountain much later on
same for bagpipe

that's what it means

[limpid yarrow]

btu the thing is liek
the sakiko + mutsumi + uika 1 million is some schizo fever stacking style
but logos suzu qiubai has more target count + basically permastall during activation
so its still a good combo

[ancient current]

if it's clearer

[sturdy drift]

Ah got it. Thanks

[pale tapir]

you only really bring her for the talent when running flags
but if you have literally any other better vanguard (sashter, ines, surfer, etc.) then you usually don't need flags at all

[frank hedge]

if you like using her sure, but there are better options and you typically won't need the frontloaded dp pile with flagpipe

[limpid yarrow]

i think its also the small synergies
suzu slow for qiubai to add a ton of small hits to also proc logos talent for arts damage increase
that make it a nice design

[tepid abyss]

I hope you won't regret it.

[sturdy drift]

Hopefully not. I didn't realize flags were not as useful nowadays

[ancient current]

it is the age of strategists and agents

[nimble kite]

He won't. Bagpipe died long time ago when CCB2 ended.

[tepid abyss]

The biggest advantage of the bag is that carrying it can provide skill points to Vanguard Operators.

[ancient current]

which isn't something that's needed. just mild QoL

[limpid yarrow]

its over for device 😔

[ocean mulch]

Does Sash2 pair well with executors or is the top-up not worth-it?

[limpid yarrow]

for general vanguard use just use s3
its a fun skill to mess around with tho

[nimble kite]

You wanna benefit from S2?

Actually they good at Freeze provide, but lacks ATK and final damage.

[tepid abyss]

Actually, bag can also be used in conjunction with clos for quick fee recovery.

[nimble kite]

I usually drop Lemuen or Ulpipi and they does the damage thing.

[sturdy drift]

Closure?

[nimble kite]

I don't get any of your words.

[limpid yarrow]

dont think you'll need bagpipe for that
closure s2 is bonkers dp on its own

[pale tapir]

"Actually, bagpipe can also be used in conjunction with closure for quick dp recovery" is what I think they're saying

[limpid yarrow]

just too much of a luxury
let her retire with her 11 champions

[ocean mulch]

I mean doesn't that apply to most chargers

[magic crag]

Do they let you spark 7th anni characters on like 7.5? Yes im advanced by alot

[opaque remnant]

They probably mean the whatever schizo combo

[tepid abyss]

"It's just quickly deploying the operators right at the start."

[nimble kite]

From W to ExuAlt.

[balmy panther]

no, need to wait till 8th anni

[wraith sentinel]

Sparkable a year after release, since Celebration banners happen twice a year.

[opaque remnant]

Usually takes a year for them to be sparkable

[limpid yarrow]

do NOT spark you will be broke for monhun sob

[magic crag]

Aight thx

[sturdy drift]

What is the schedule for the distinction shop operators?

[limpid yarrow]

there's always next year for sparking there is not next year for monhun

[tepid abyss]

Let's not talk about that anymore, because the system requirements are too high.

[ocean mulch]

Do you think, orchid would remain a support for monhon or would she be a DPS?

[limpid yarrow]

until it comes out in the news channel we dont know(officially)

[nimble kite]

Which is still CC thing.

My tight start by recently was 16-8, and that was solved by Mountain and Gladiia.

[sturdy drift]

Oh distinction shop is only standard banner and kernel. I was confused why nasti wasn't there

[limpid yarrow]

even in cc there's no spot for bagpipe tbh
salter too good
closure too good

[ancient current]

unknown. refer to channel rule 5 for speculation

[tepid abyss]

what is CC

[nimble kite]

Contingency Contracts.

[limpid yarrow]

合约

[tepid abyss]

OK

[opaque remnant]

Where Ines

[limpid yarrow]

its over tbh
1 vanguard = salter
2 vangaurd = salter + closure/ines/saileach
only for 3+ vanguard will you even consider bagpipe

[ocean mulch]

Speaking of CC, Is Virtuousa good for modern CC?

[tepid abyss]

However, I think it's quite good for everyday use.

[sturdy drift]

I wasn't trying to speculate. I was just confused why nasti wasn't in the distinction shop. But I answered my own question

[limpid yarrow]

and you need a really schizo dp requirement for that to be the case
although! the next CC will have dp pressure so i think its a non zero chance

(wang event mechanics play with DP so non zero chance!!! 12 timer maybe???)

[nimble kite]

Again was used in CCB2 just to kill dodgy guys in the bottom. So far never been drafted for high risks.

[ancient current]

yeah, I was making sure since this is a recurring issue here

(people not knowing how to read)

[limpid yarrow]

nowadays we have mantragodia for elemental damage
but i wouldn't 100% count her out, there's a slim chance she makes it

[tepid abyss]

when you meet fish you can guess how hard it will be

[sturdy drift]

So what I'm hearing is that bagpipe might be used with a 5% probability

[sturdy drift]

That was a good reminder though because I often forget to check the pins

[rocky cloak]

Are there more floating stages on ex stages? This is making me dizzy.

[tepid abyss]

ex8

[nimble kite]

There's EX-8 with Boss again. And she will do the thing with instakill floor.

[rocky cloak]

Ok at least just 1 thanks!

[opaque remnant]

Wait the EX is out already? Oh nvm

[tepid abyss]

Her presence in EX will severely limit your operator deployment.

[nimble kite]

29th May

[opaque remnant]

That’s the boss stage

[tepid abyss]

how do you think fight it with hosiS1

[sturdy drift]

Wow, your roster is loaded. That's my goal a year from now or so

[tepid abyss]

in ex8 it can kill her easily

[opaque remnant]

Thats 6 limiteds + a collab op… uhhh

Not quite feasible I’d say…

[wraith sentinel]

Very fun, I liked it a lot.

[opaque remnant]

Your deck can still be stacked though

[wraith sentinel]

Though my first run I just did Exusiai + Haruka.

[tepid abyss]

The road ahead is long

[sturdy drift]

Oh I don't recognize all of them honestly. Not feasible for me. Still a loaded roster though.

Who is this?

[limpid yarrow]

togawa sakiko

[tepid abyss]

saki

avemu limited

[opaque remnant]

Sakiko, (somewhat) recent ave mujica collab

[brazen gulch]

Is Silence2's modY barrier permanent?

As in, after being triggered, does it naturally expire after some time or is effectively additional HP for operators in range?

[rocky cloak]

Is the date for the special new 6* 1st pulled banner already shared for global? It's always in June right? I hope I get Leizi or Ulpianus

[mild yacht]

Do you see it in #game-news ?
If not, then no.

[native cargo]

wht is moer worth to use surfer s1 or s2? i feel like i lose value on s2 since its not instant dp

[tepid abyss]

wang is coming soon

[wraith sentinel]

S1 is pretty decent yeah for helidrop.

[brazen gulch]

on surfer i virtually always go s1, on canta s2 can be justified sometimes

[urban sleet]

If you mean the banner tjat gives an unowned 6 star as your first 6 star, then no, havent had those since late 2022 or so

[opaque remnant]

What does surfer S2 even do

I used it once and it felt the exact same as S1

[brazen gulch]

ASPD +40, each attack grants 1 DP, and Steals 40 DEF from the target (max 200, lasts until skill ends or Surfer is retreated)
12 initial sp, 25 sp cost, 10s duration. supposedly better against higher defense enemies at the cost of immediate dp generation maybe?

although i can't really see how 200 def ignore can compare to +70% atk

[opaque remnant]

No wonder no one uses it

[wraith sentinel]

Maybe decent in IS with SP relics? I don't know if she's worth the Hope though.

[glass mural]

Oh that's an easy yes.

Low cost reliable DP generation that scales even harder in high aspd that doesn't cost Ines levels of hope.

[brazen gulch]

bump

[glass mural]

That being said, S1 is the play a lot of the time.

[limpid yarrow]

you use it in IS when you're frozen on deploy(or i guess initial SP is good enough?)
but s1 most of the time yes

[smoky urchin]

Is there an 6* Amiya? Perhaps like an different version, cause I'm watching the anime... And gawd dayyum she looks op compared to what I have

[ancient current]

no

[smoky urchin]

F

[worldly estuary]

She doesn’t have plot armor ingame unfortunately

[smoky urchin]

like tell me why cant she have a alt: king of feinds amiya

[ancient current]

not a discussion for this channel

move to #arknights

[rigid basalt]

Finished most of chapter 15 and says to obtain 4 sequence points to unlock. What are sequence points?

[brazen gulch]

To unlock what. specifically? Sequence points might be Strategic Simulation points

[grave bramble]

Where can i see kernel banners that cn got?

[ancient current]

arknights.wiki.gg

[grave bramble]

A full list of them?

[buoyant sigil]

Before I unlock blueprint, which squad do I use on IS5 again? I think I probably should start taking the mode seriously by now

[frank talon]

Because in-game she has different forms

[smoky urchin]

Does any of her forms have any value? To invest in? And get

[ancient current]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Headhunting/Banners

[frank talon]

You get them by playing main story, there's no additional level up

[flat hamlet]

Is Tin Man the hero of IS5 like raidian is for IS6? Got mod alpha lvl3 and full masteries for raidian + reached lvl125 on rewards, so was thinking to start is5

[frank talon]

Yes

[ancient current]

no, but he's good to have

[proven kelp]

Support, shops are more stronger in newer IS so the extra Ingots helps a lot

Otherwise that Spearhead squad

[smoky urchin]

Oh, I mean... Idk, cause I'm was told Amiya as almost the same as steward except harder to max out, so I couldn't figure if I should even try to lvl her up to elite 1 or 2 later

[grave bramble]

I only see for global

[flat hamlet]

So is he worth building just for that? Does he see use outside of is?

[proven kelp]

Tinman and Radian are heaven and Earth in their usage for their respective IS

Radian is a fucking Monster in IS6, literally can easily solo maps by herself
Tinman is just a glorified backpack

[proven kelp]

If you want to use Tinman, just borrow him

[flat hamlet]

Okay, that sounds good
So he's just to carry load, not for actually using on stages?

[ancient current]

oh, yeah idk if it has it for cn actually
try prts.wiki

[grave bramble]

Did cn ever get mizuki or gnosis as rate up in kernel banner?

[proven kelp]

Basically yes
It's not completely helpless, you can use it to destroy spires early in the run, but anyone can do that

[ancient current]

quite likely

[flat hamlet]

Alright, gotcha
Will need few runs failed to get used to the enemies and mechanics of this mode
Thanks!

[buoyant sigil]

Ty! And a good start would be…? I’ve heard of wis/click/gummy or something to mostly trivialize it, but I don’t have gummy built and overall just want something different.

[flat hamlet]

Also, is Lee in kernel pool?

[grave bramble]

Prts had a list of recent banners 👍

[buoyant sigil]

Standard pool! He’s had a standard run a banner or two ago with Lin

[ancient current]

unfortunately he still bricks the standard pool yes

[proven kelp]

Just borrow her
Find a sucker that somehow have Gummy as support

[flat hamlet]

Gotcha
I mostly want him only cuz I got that nice skin from IS6 xD
Thanks, guys!

[buoyant sigil]

Is that… merchant slander?!

[ancient current]

i have e2 70 modded gummy
-# sl7

[rapid mason]

does that mean i didn't pulled on it?

[ancient current]

you did

[buoyant sigil]

No, it starts with 20 rolls available

[proven kelp]

We're slandering it's whole existence

[ancient current]

oh wait, did you

oh wait you did, I can't read

[rapid mason]

does it go away after 20?

[ancient current]

it has 20 discounted rolls
yes, it goes away after that

[brazen gulch]

Does inspiration stack the same way as +<stat> buffs? E.g. civilight s3 and matsukiri s2

[rapid mason]

Oh thanks! gonna pull just for it to go away

[ancient current]

wouldn't advise that

[buoyant sigil]

As a merchantknights fan I am inexplicably disappointed by that analysis. 🙁
-#

[rapid mason]

I mean you're right

[brazen gulch]

swire is so much fun

[grave bramble]

Outside of is?

[brazen gulch]

(at least in is where i used her)

[proven kelp]

That's the sad fate of being born defective

[brazen gulch]

haven't used her outside IS i think ever, but fwiw i used her in is without the IS module

[buoyant sigil]

Swire2 is indeed really fun

[proven kelp]

She's okay outside

[buoyant sigil]

My dream is being able to use all 5 together in the same squad 🥹

[wraith sentinel]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Headhunting/Banners/Upcoming

[grave bramble]

*i asked for kernel

[ancient current]

they're asking for kernel rotating banners

[serene marlin]

How come pramerita also uses sash2 s3? I can’t really find details in his s3 description

[brazen gulch]

flagbearer stocks rising to the moon with this one

[wraith sentinel]

Oh, whoops. I forgot it didn't have Kernel as well.

[serene marlin]

Does it link to the operators that had their DP swapped? Or is it linked to all kjerg?

[buoyant sigil]

Stainless+Puzzle and like 2 flagbearers should definitely work, we had the calcs yesterday. The main problem should just be figurino and that’s it

[brazen gulch]

you'll figurino it out i'm sure
-# please don't kill me

[limpid yarrow]

the first operator deployed after sash2 s3 automatically gains the eye of the blizzard enchantment

[serene marlin]

Gotcha

[limpid yarrow]

you can also drag the eye onto an operator during the skill to transfer it to anyone else

[limpid yarrow]

1 bonus fund every turn

[brazen gulch]

bump

[grave bramble]

Not that good an effect tbh

[wraith sentinel]

https://prts.wiki/w/卡池一览#常驻中坚寻访&中坚甄选
CN has it here I think?

[buoyant sigil]

Trust or just not use him idk hes kind of a bum sometimes

[grave bramble]

.

[wraith sentinel]

Curse of the backlog.

[rigid basalt]

H15-1. Strategic Simulation is the risk thing on old stages right?

[abstract mauve]

yes

effectively permanent. not sure if they made it last for 3 hours or some shit on the backend

[brazen gulch]

it's this, similar to CC yeah

[serene marlin]

Anybody have tips for beating UR-8?

[proven kelp]

Nuke it with Saki!

[brazen gulch]

okay thank you

[ancient current]

that'll be for #strategy

[vale dock]

#strategy and level up your ops

[ancient current]

honestly what even is this

[proven kelp]

That's a lot of level 1s

[ancient current]

but yeah hop in strategy

[rigid basalt]

Cheers

[lusty pine]

Hey i just got the collab but i dont know who these characters are

I previously mistook it for nte

Who are they?

[ancient current]

they are endfield operators

different game

you can go ask this in the endfield discord

[wraith sentinel]

(Ardelia, Zhuang Fangyi, Perlica and Last Rite.)

[lusty pine]

What?

[ancient current]

_ _

[lusty pine]

This is endfield

[ancient current]

this is not the endfield discord

that's the arknights discord

[lusty pine]

I thought they were the same thing

[wraith sentinel]

Arknights: Endfield is a sequel to Arknights.

[ancient current]

completely different games

[lusty pine]

Ohhh so like honkai star rail to honkai impact

[pliant summit]

Who’s the best operators to pick for IS3?

[lusty pine]

Ty

[proven kelp]

Wis

[brazen gulch]

which skill to use by default on mizuki? is5 temp recruitment

[buoyant sigil]

w…eedy appears in a lot of solves

[limpid yarrow]

s2

ange weedy for is3 🔥

[wraith sentinel]

Good ranged operators in general are helpful for IS3, also some form of Stun or Freeze to deal with Low-Altitude Hovering enemies.

[buoyant sigil]

Also if they’re e2 anytime do manually switch them on the squad screen to their is mod

[serene marlin]

What should I change about my team? I kinda like surfer and skybox kits

It’s about time for me to level up another op as well

While I’m waiting on e2 mats for pramerita

[wraith sentinel]

Please level a healer.

[frank wing]

you should level them a bit more equally, those level 1s aren't going to be doing anything

[serene marlin]

Yeah, so far I’ve been fine with that tho. I want to level them slowly so that I don’t regret anything later

But you’re right basically all my e0’s are kinda deadge

[buoyant sigil]

Typically the go-to to raising people is e1/40ing your whole squad and then go E2’ing people unless you’re rushing your first carry

[ancient current]

your e2s are also, in fact, kinda dedge

[serene marlin]

Definitely can say without a shadow of a doubt that leveling my healers would feel best tho

[frank wing]

raising them all to e1 isn't going to be detrimental to your account

[serene marlin]

I don’t see how

[heady moon]

Tbf u can do most maps with sash2 + prama2

[glass mural]

Honestly, put in a bit of sustain into that, optimize some of your DPSes a bit more, and that'll help a lot.

[wraith sentinel]

E1 is relatively cheap in the grand scheme of things.

[ancient current]

lv60 for 6*
mlynar module, silverash module
hope masteries are done

[serene marlin]

So far I’ve been able to clear most content without challenge except for side story stages and some air stages

[glass mural]

Mylnar gets a performance spike with mod access, sash unironically gives Pram really nice passive healing...

[nocturne laurel]

Skybox can replace krooster kinda, hes reslly good
You have a lot of guards though

[wraith shoal]

lets hope he has skills leveled up at least

[serene marlin]

They’re all level 7 but no masteries so far

[buoyant sigil]

tbf the aerial department has a whopping.. tragodia

[ancient current]

work on that

[serene marlin]

Yeaaaa it’s kinda rough on air stages

[nocturne laurel]

Pram2 Carry

[ancient current]

though tbh e1 some other units first lol

[buoyant sigil]

One tragodia (12 cat squad)

[serene marlin]

Pram does almost all the heavy lifting on those stages yeah

[frank wing]

also i want to say that the only ranged you have rn are pram2 and trag, and pram2 takes a bit to actually attack air. level a sniper, like kroos2 or skybox

[glass mural]

ah.

I'd prioritize raising Sash Alter to some level higher than 1. And raising skills further. Wouldn't be too expensive on the level part (doesn't need to be 90 at all, it'd just feel notably better as far as openings go).

And then we do the Sash + Pram and Pram now unironically tanks a lot of things and kills a lot of things.

[heady moon]

Could always level kroos1 if ur low on mats

[serene marlin]

Well I just got sash alter to e2 today

I’m working on things slowly but surely

[frank wing]

yeah maybe use your 3 stars too, a steward or kroos wouldn't hurt. they cost basically nothing to level

[nocturne laurel]

3 stars (not all) are just good investments especially for IS someday si ce they are really cheap but still adds up true

[serene marlin]

Tho I think it’s kinda weird to call my e2 units uninvested compared to my actual e0 lvl 1 units lol

[ancient current]

both are

[buoyant sigil]

The only thing they get from e1/max to e2/1 is a small bunch of stats, a skill and a talent. It’s not a big improvement, even if you absolutely depend on said skill. Usually you wanna put at least 20/30 levels on them

[heady moon]

Some e2s like tragodia (which u luckily dont have e2ed) are just wasted mats if u dont level the unit and some units are dead without modules so generally e2 60 is seen as the standard

[lament loom]

Its not true investment until u max out their e2 lvl 90 m9 all skills heheee

[ancient current]

[nocturne laurel]

Mod 3 and m3 already expensive sob

[ancient current]

ignore the #arknights leaking in here

[lament loom]

(In all seriousness, e2 lvl 60 and mastering certain skills often used is just better)

[heady moon]

My stingy ass left tragodia at 88

[glass mural]

Tbf, some units do get notable power spikes at E2 because 3rd skill and whatnot cough, Mylnar, cough. So it's not nothing.

And honestly, for how resources starved you are, you've made several of the right plays.

[buoyant sigil]

Mod2?

[heady moon]

Yea

[buoyant sigil]

Fair

[nocturne laurel]

Is the lmd cost of lvl 82 to 88 higher than mod 2 to 3

[lament loom]

Oh yeah, were u recommended for that? I assume so, cuz thats a breakpoint with mod

[heady moon]

Was gonna leave him at 82 but unfortunately i never friendship farmed phantom

[glass mural]

I'd highly consider giving one of Mountain or Zuo Le the boot.

[lament loom]

Trust farm isnt all that important imo

U get trust passively over time anyway

[ancient current]

trust farming is red certs farming for royal tokens type of content

[glass mural]

You have La Pluma at E2, you do not need 3 different editions of laneholding guards.

[buoyant sigil]

(Mountain)

[brazen gulch]

imo ❌, 100% is a huge boost for viritually no cost (and for phantom specifically pretty sure it's actually a requirement when going for the s2 breakpoint)

[nocturne laurel]

Or you go for guardknights

[ancient current]

it is not

[brazen gulch]

interesting, will know

[buoyant sigil]

Fairly sure the difference was mod levels. 88 for module level 2, 82 for module level 3

You don’t need trust farming anywhere, just the levels and the module

[coarse notch]

that assumee 100 trust

[lament loom]

Ohhh I see, thats for pots for ops. Though I never really cared so much for that since dupes / pots in Arknights arent as impactful as other gachas.

[heady moon]

Modules need trust level tho? Its 50 for level 2 and 100 for level 3

[brazen gulch]

coming from bobbing i'm honestly surprised tragodia is so lenient in his requirements for the breakpoint

[buoyant sigil]

Oh wait true

[nocturne laurel]

Trust levels give around 20% of the main stat they need, its pretty significant imo, but you should be already be putting them in your base and team anyway

[buoyant sigil]

But it’s not trust stats so my point stands, the stats aren’t too necessary outside of unlocking the module

[ancient current]

bobbing isn't as needy as trag though

either s1m3 or mod3 is fine
both is redundant (unless you care about cycling)

[brazen gulch]

if my ~old calcs are right it's pot4 as a requirement for s2 proccing burn on a boss in one activation (#bot-spam message)

[heady moon]

Tragodia be like “ill make u max me anyways by giving u ocd”

[ancient current]

oh yeah i don't use s2 a lot

[heady moon]

Like 82 and 88 might as well go 90 right

[wraith sentinel]

Tragodia gets 40 Attack from Trust, which I assume is calculated in?

[buoyant sigil]

…Forget it, at this rate

[brazen gulch]

yea tbh

[buoyant sigil]

u sure

[glass mural]

Big round mumbah better.

[buoyant sigil]

That is expensive

[lament loom]

I mean there is a reason why ITS NOT WORTH going for lvl 90

[ancient current]

"owh noh why do help dwellers keep shunning lv90"

[buoyant sigil]

Though like then again 88 to 90 is I think 70k lmd or some

[lament loom]

Cuz lvl 90 alone requires more LMD than what, even e2? Someone correct me

[ancient current]

from lv60 to lv90 is about the same as e0 to e2

[heady moon]

Yes i mostly stop at 60

I only have 2 at 90 somehow cuz the 6* backlog is never ending

[lament loom]

Well well well, there we go. Very expensive wow.

[shy quiver]

How competitive is Mon3tr's S3 Vs other DPS options?

[wraith sentinel]

It's good True Damage, how good it is compared to others depends on the enemy's defensive stats.

[shy quiver]

I suppose that's fair enough

[limpid yarrow]

good when true damage is good

like ccb4 when all arts/phys damage was reduced by 60% m3 basically has a 2.5x advantage

[lament loom]

Hmm, in what way? Monster s3 is true dmg but other DPS options like Sakichan and Exu2 for single target

[limpid yarrow]

or in is5 where theresis has 90% arts/phys DR if not moved

[wraith sentinel]

She also scales well with ASPD and such.

[blissful saffron]

Do y'all have any tips for chapter 10 the artillery ?

[neat acorn]

You can bait it

[ancient current]

I can't say Verdant because I'm in help

[proven kelp]

Why not Bena

[ancient current]

because Bena doesn't have 3.3k hp

[maiden dagger]

silverash alter s2 or s3 for the average stage

[astral thorn]

Whats logos best module?

[ancient current]

delta lv3

[glossy schooner]

If you can isolate a defender or have an op that has some form of immortality you can use them to tank artillery, funnily enough Mudrock is great for this thanks to her self heal shield blocking the whole hit.
Note, if you have Mudrock, don’t raise her, just borrow someone else’s

[blissful saffron]

Okay, thanks 🙏

[glossy schooner]

That or an op that has enough HP to take the artillery plus a healer out of the artillery’s range

[glossy schooner]

Just don’t forget the small bugs things give ops block for blocking them, which can change the artillery target

Since it goes off highest block

[neat acorn]

S3

[past charm]

Ended up focusing on getting ascalion to e2, I get why everyone kept asking why she was Unleveled LOL

Does she hit air units btw? (Only ran her in garden so far)

[neat acorn]

I’m assuming average stage is story

[vital kelp]

no

[neat acorn]

Hoshi2 can tank those shots

[glossy schooner]

Yeah, that she can

[neat acorn]

Idk if she can heal back from those shots on herself tho

[glossy schooner]

Probably not since more bugs will nip at her ankles preventing healing her Red Hp

[faint lotus]

You know who excels in chapter 10? Cairn

[astral thorn]

Is delta y?

[ancient current]

delta is delta

Δ

[astral thorn]

Sorry is that x or y shape

[ancient current]

neither

Δ this is delta

[astral thorn]

Whoops thx

[glossy coral]

hi to use fast deploys optimally with silver ash alter, should I technically be using the skills with highest atk? like texalter s2 and yato alter s2?

[faint lotus]

The barrier is enough to tank the cannon, and the elemental damage murders all of the spawned things

[astral thorn]

I heard monster hunter collars back on, is yato 2 still worth getting?

[glossy schooner]

Pretty sure she’ll always be useful

[glossy coral]

does the skills matter or just their base atk?

[astral thorn]

Im kinda of a newbie, I heard shes good but why is she good?

[hard yacht]

skills matter if you are able to get the atk buff before the slashes

[faint lotus]

Skills matter, phantom s2 has the highest attack of the fast redeploys

[glossy coral]

oh yea! forgot about him thanks!

[glossy schooner]

You just drop her on the field with S3 and she blenders whatever direction you point her in, with S2 blendering the spot you place her

Always retreat her the second her skills end though, she’s not meant to stay on field any longer then her skill duration

[astral thorn]

Thx

[vital kelp]

(does this count skadi as a frd

[faint lotus]

2k compared to 1.5k from texas alter (the second closest)

[wraith sentinel]

(Skadi S2 does work quite well I find.)

[nocturne laurel]

(CS s1 is also 1.5k)

[glossy coral]

texas alter is also s2 right?

[faint lotus]

(CS s1 is like 20 attack less)

[hard yacht]

technicalkly s1 is the best (pure raw atk stat) but id say s2 still better

[nocturne laurel]

(On s1m3 and s1m3 yes, pre m3 cs is more lol, just use both)

[valid jewel]

hi all. i have the top operator tag in recruitment. also have healing starter dp recovery and fast redeploy. do i have to set the time long again or can i set it to 1 h and wait? or i set it to 9h and take it with the ticket. any suggestions?

[candid badger]

9 hour, so your top tag not crossed

[faint lotus]

9 hours and healing, for a chance at kalsit

[vital kelp]

depends on what u need

[lament loom]

Idk. Maybe Saki (might be biased)

[buoyant sigil]

not exactly run specific just low diff farming points and everything

[vital kelp]

then just sakiko

[valid jewel]

i am new player started few days ago so i dont know

[valid jewel]

is the recruitment calculator up to date? i didnt saw the name with any combo

[vital kelp]

now u do, go 9 hours and pick top op + healing

[wraith sentinel]

https://www.krooster.com/tools/recruit
Use this one then.

[raven ermine]

You're likely using the old aceship, use the one in pins

[valid jewel]

ah thanks now i see her

alright i try top operator with healing

can i use my ticket for skipping the 9h? i have one left

[near forge]

We gonna have Half anniversary?

[valid jewel]

i got blaze. Is she good for starters? does recruitment only use 1 tag? cuz when i look at the website you send i should have only 5 operators when i use top with healing and no one of them is blaze. did i get something wrong idk

[wraith sentinel]

Tags have a chance to drop (excluding Top Operator and Senior Operator tags), even at max duration, so it seems like that is what happened to you.

[raven ermine]

It got crossed i assume

[buoyant sigil]

Was the healing tag crossed off

[nocturne prairie]

Can anyone tell me where this stage is?

[valid jewel]

didnt pay attention. i just marked top operator and healing i thought it will always give some unit with the combo

[odd sky]

chapter 9

[wraith sentinel]

Episode 9.

[glossy schooner]

It says S9-4
So chapter nine

[nocturne prairie]

Oh I'm dumb, thanks guys

[valid jewel]

ah i see thanks

[glossy schooner]

Yep, you’re welcome.

[odd sky]

blaze is healing if you squint your eyes enough

[near forge]

Re-run of wisadel?

[wraith sentinel]

Never, limited operators never get a rerun banner.

[odd sky]

sparkable and off-rates in future celebration limited banners

[near forge]

It was a limited operator? I don't remember it

[wraith sentinel]

They're only available as off-rates in the banner pool they debuted on or to spark on that banner.

[wraith sentinel]

She was, yes.

[near forge]

Well, No matter cuz I have her, But I love that character so I want to take more dupes of her

[buoyant sigil]

Dupes matter next to nothing here

They really are worthless

[near forge]

I know that, But is just me...

[odd sky]

[wraith sentinel]

Well either way, either you get extremely lucky or you save up three hundred pulls to spark her.

[near forge]

Just spend money

[wraith sentinel]

If that's what you want to do, sure.

[odd sky]

[near forge]

Well, This is my account, I have lot playing with her and I need more dupes

[odd sky]

what's the next set of red cert royal token? defender and what?

[raven ermine]

sniper and defender iirc

[hasty mauve]

Easy, just save 1800 pulls and spark her 5 times on kaltsit alter

[vital kelp]

(5 times 300 is 1500 not 1800

[obtuse obsidian]

you can also just do 5 pulls and get 5 copies off rates

[grand sand]

whats the best 4* vanguard option in IS nowadays

[buoyant sigil]

Can you get robots only with the robot tag or can you use the robot specific time + tag like support, cc etc

[glossy schooner]

Beanstalk iirc

[grand sand]

i already have her raised

[wraith sentinel]

You don't need the Robot tag.

[buoyant sigil]

Neat. What was the specific time to set for robots again?

[wraith sentinel]

3:50

[grand sand]

i wonder if theres a yan one

[buoyant sigil]

Ty!

[obtuse obsidian]

beans or myrtle depending on what you need

but beans mostly in early pickups

[raven ermine]

cough snegu cough

[wraith sentinel]

Sniper + Support guarantees Justice Knight and Vanguard + Crowd-Control guarantees Confess-47 for example (since Texas can't appear).

[obtuse obsidian]

the agent might be good too but i have 0 usage cause i did not pull her

[odd sky]

then you can get 2 copies from royal tokens in ccb5 shop and next red cert refresh

[grand sand]

do y'all have any recommendations on who to use my 4 star vouchers on then

[raven ermine]

indigo, ethan, pure

[keen scarab]

beanstalk is useful, you can block enemy and do ranged attack

[grand sand]

i was gonna do sneg originally

[obtuse obsidian]

wait what 4* voucher

[grand sand]

raised already

[raven ermine]

May gummy ?

[grand sand]

i have some from buying the packs i didn't use

[obtuse obsidian]

insta e2? probably some IS op llike beans/may/gummy

[grand sand]

may i dont have raised, i'll go for that

thanks fellas

[keen scarab]

yea, beans is useful but e2 is not needed

[obtuse obsidian]

tbf its insta e2 ticket not manual raise

[grand sand]

my beans is already maxed anyw

[native cargo]

is cairn good

[keen scarab]

according to pin, pretty good for a 5*

[inland vale]

chat, any recommendation?

[raven ermine]

summon for kal

[buoyant sigil]

Did they add anything to kernel/recruitment on the recent cn limited

(Kalter)

[inland vale]

pallas

[obtuse obsidian]

the legendary big sad lock killer no way

[stone karma]

What does the talent upgrade do? I don't get it.

[vital kelp]

u can stack their effect with mod

[stark gulch]

by chaining them together i think

[obtuse obsidian]

you can go device device tile

instead of having it be device tile device

[stone karma]

Oh

Is nasti mod needed?

[proven kelp]

No Operator needs any Module

But this Mod is important for Nasti to help with flexibility

[stone karma]

Is monst3r mod worth?

[proven kelp]

Check this for Module Recommendations https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588958885150721/1503192059597820026/Yuri.gif?ex=6a03c5b2&is=6a027432&hm=f5b900b4760d8547b38cd26f53bc9a33472fac8e808bbe3274ef34a0ab8d9821&=&width=414&height=900

[stone karma]

Ah got it thx

[oblique haven]

what skill do we like for mizuki is mod

[severe crypt]

S2

[oblique haven]

dont bother with mastery on s1?

[sleek finch]

why are you afk in IS

[obtuse obsidian]

you uniroincally swap more to s3 then s1 in IS

[oblique haven]

sweet ty

[obtuse obsidian]

its like 99.9% s2 then 0.1% s3

[proven kelp]

S1 is really just for General Content slop

[oblique haven]

whos using mizuki in gen content tho

[obtuse obsidian]

he was a solid afk unit for the button allergic so some might still use that

[sleek finch]

same people who still use blaze thorns mudrock ig

[proven kelp]

People who don't have better things to use
Twink lovers
It's a good AFK DPS back in the day

[sleek finch]

even for afk department, im sure atm there are better ones

afk laneholder isnt really a rare role, thinking about it

[abstract mauve]

atm there's better welfare afk units 🤫

[foggy wraith]

Just got her, is she good ?
If so how to play her, the texts get me confuse af

[obtuse obsidian]

she deploy ranged tiles that buff the units on it

deploy your dps on it

[vital kelp]

what did the socs say

[foggy wraith]

She give the 160% extra damage to the operator on the ranged tile ?

[vital kelp]

60% attack

big difference

[foggy wraith]

+160% means 60% extra attack

[sleek finch]

no

[drifting prairie]

which skill to master on mizuki?

[abstract mauve]

he runs s2 in IS

[blissful saffron]

Should I build entelechia ?

[abstract mauve]

sure. she gets way better with new mod in the future

[proven kelp]

She's pretty decent

[wraith sentinel]

The translation is pretty dumb, but that buff is what she gives herself. The tile buff is separate.

[foggy wraith]

Ahhhhhhh

[wraith sentinel]

Yeah the missing punctuation is really annoying.

[foggy wraith]

Okay i get it
My wis would still like 60% damage buff

[sleek finch]

thats literally not how math work

+160% means 100%+160%
it means 160% extra atk, not 60%
it would be different if you say ×160%, which is 100%+60%

[abstract mauve]

it's not a 60% dmg buff. it's a +60% atk buff

[sleek finch]

+60% atk is not the same as +60% dmg up

[foggy wraith]

I get that, I didnt know it was seperated

[abstract mauve]

your wisadel running s3 isnt going to deal 60% more damage. it will be closer to 15-20%

[shadow bay]

imagine 60% more dmg buff

[foggy wraith]

The headache

[wraith sentinel]

Due to Attack buff dilution the amount it buffs end damage depends on the Operator in question.

[steel sundial]

Is there a way to get premium material vouchers other than paying

[proven kelp]

They give those occasionally

[steel sundial]

my hoederer needs some stuff to promote, and i'm missing stuff i can only get from premium material vouchers at the moment

[wraith sentinel]

If you need resources you can try to check if any of the IS Deep Investigations have them.

[steel sundial]

[obtuse obsidian]

attack buffs are addative

so if you put it on a unit who have a skill or talent that says (+200% attack) then her buff will only make said unit go from 300% attack to 360% attack which is only 20% more damage

[foggy wraith]

Get it now, so not that good with wis

But still good tho. 20% is nice

[raven ermine]

Atk% buffing is usually good for operators with atk_scale in their kit

[proven kelp]

Give it to Ray and go Ham

[sleek finch]

well
you are using 2 slot, for x1.2 dmg

when you can use 2 slots, for x2 dmg, by having 2 individually strong units

[foggy wraith]

Ray ?

[proven kelp]

But that's assuming they even have ops that deals remotely the same DPS as Wis

[foggy wraith]

Fair enough

[wraith sentinel]

You can however remove Nasti once the tile is maxed out and then replace her with another damage dealer.

[sleek finch]

no no
its not about atk scale here

atk buff is good for units that dont have a lot of atk up, so that it wont be diluted
wis has a ton of atk scale too, but also +180% atk up so typical atk up are ineffective

[steel sundial]

Is tecno the caster good

[foggy wraith]

Yeah I dont have much ranged dps units

[abstract mauve]

decent for a 5* but you shouldnt genuinely consider her if you have any remotely decent 6* units

[raven ermine]

Should've specified "without atk% of their own" yeah

[steel sundial]

im new so I wouldn't know

[abstract mauve]

i mean what 6*s do you have?

[proven kelp]

Point in case
People assume that everybody has an extra DPS that match their best DPS

[fathom nest]

With any 5 star, just assume they're bad, or at least not worth raising. There are very few with an exception to this

[foggy wraith]

Tbh so far ive been playing that way : ash2, wis —> gg

[fathom nest]

Raise Leizi

[steel sundial]

all of them are promoted atleast once now though

[fathom nest]

Even at e1 she'll be very good, since her main is s2

[steel sundial]

elite 2

[abstract mauve]

leizi2 is a great pull

[sleek finch]

that account look like you pulled kernel

stop doing that

[wraith sentinel]

Leizi is amazing.

[steel sundial]

I got her back to back to hoederer my luck is really good

[steel sundial]

I didn't

[buoyant sigil]

Was the ch’en from recruitment..?

[steel sundial]

top operator tag

[buoyant sigil]

wow, nice

[steel sundial]

is she good?

[buoyant sigil]

not at all

[abstract mauve]

chen? no

[steel sundial]

Atleast shes cool in the story

[buoyant sigil]

i only congratulated the luck of getting a top op is all

[abstract mauve]

you can prefarm trust for chen3

[buoyant sigil]

Like her story? Get chen3 in like 2 months

[foggy wraith]

Arent we getting one guaranteed ?

[steel sundial]

Chen3??

[buoyant sigil]

Only for now, goes away soon

[steel sundial]

she has two other alter coming up???

[buoyant sigil]

Ch’en has an alter, Ch’en the Holungday. Usually operators only have one alter operator. She’s getting her second alter, the third instance of Ch’en, Ch’en the Dawnstreak

[wraith sentinel]

No, she already has one out, Ch'en the Holungday. The upcoming one is Ch'en the Dawnstreak.

[wraith shoal]

we got chen2 4 years ago man

[steel sundial]

Woah those names are awesome

[wraith shoal]

Holungday is kinda bs but whatever

[steel sundial]

I wouldn't know

[buoyant sigil]

In ~2 months or so you will technically be able to play with 3 chen in the same squad

[wraith sentinel]

(Nah, Holungday is great. Ch'en's puns in general are.)

[steel sundial]

I think I know who I want to save for

Wang and this Chen alter

[fathom nest]

You want to save for Wang, which coincidentally has Ch3n on the banner with him

She's very strong but Wang is the goal

[steel sundial]

lucky me then, I won't have to wait any longer for either character when one of the banner shows up

[buoyant sigil]

Just so happens to be one of the highest value banners we have ever had whoops

[steel sundial]

gotta contain my gambling addiction for now

[clever plover]

pramanix alter possible rerun when?

[proven kelp]

Chen Alter Alter is so kind
She's Sharing her banner with a homeless guy

[raven ermine]

Never as a solo rate up, she was debuting during a limited event
You'll have to wait for a JO/orienteering banner

[vital kelp]

we dont know, she was in one 6 pick 3 banner in CN but we arent guarenteed to have her

[clever plover]

dang alr thanks

[raven ermine]

Or standard, but standard bad

[proven kelp]

Just off rate her

[sleek finch]

chen 2020
chen alt 2022
chen alt alt 2026
so like,
chen alt alt alt 2032?

or was chen alt 2023?

[stark gulch]

2022 sounds more right I think

[proven kelp]

2022 so it fits the 2 year increase

[steel sundial]

what's operation inferno?

[faint lotus]

Harder extra stages, not mandatory

[steel sundial]

i'm still going to do them for the currency

[steel sundial]

will they show up later on?

[wraith sentinel]

Yeah, four Extreme Mode stages each Episode.

[faint lotus]

Every main story chapter from 5 onwards

[fathom nest]

Not always 4, but most of them

9 has 6, 10 has 3

[wraith sentinel]

Oh right, yeah.

[rain lance]

why i set leizi's skill 2 as default but when get in the match it is skill 1???

[fathom nest]

You have to change it in the squad or remove and replace her in there for it to set properly

Defaults aren't retroactive

[wraith sentinel]

Same with Modules.

[proven kelp]

If she is set on an existing squad, they still keep the same skill they are using

Default only affects when they added to a squad

[lethal void]

is glaucus good? i got her from recruitment

[fathom nest]

Nope

[frigid venture]

should i choose top operator only?

[fathom nest]

Could do sniper if you want to gamble for Archetto

[frigid venture]

alr

is she good??

[fathom nest]

Not worth using resources on her

[glass panther]

Hey yall, what should I do for lumenmen

[frigid venture]

[fathom nest]

Nothing

Already a waste having e2'd him

[glass panther]

Daym 🧍

[fathom nest]

If you're insistent then s3 and Luck lv1 but would advise against it

[nocturne prairie]

Need some help, this is all the operators I have rn, recently got thorns and zuo Le mod upgraded, next I'm planning to upgrade suzu, any other 6 or 5 star operators worth investing on? Any other mods or anything? And I also have a few items in my inventory, I could use it to upgrade a 5 star, any suggestions on which operator I should use it on? And I don't plan to summon till mid July

[buoyant sigil]

Create a krooster account and post roster from there

[abstract mauve]

no welfares?

did you just come back from a long break?

[nocturne prairie]

Krooster? I'll see

[nocturne prairie]

Yep 1 year break

[abstract mauve]

mmmm just level dorothy and that's kinda all i can give you

consider 5* silence as well for healing maybe

[nocturne prairie]

https://www.krooster.com/u/alaster

Alright just made it

[nocturne prairie]

Alright, I'll lvl her up

[nocturne prairie]

Hmm I think I have enough healers for now, I'll save her for later

[supple fossil]

Is bellone and zima alter worth pulling? I think chen3 will burn through everything I got