help

[boreal steeple]

Depends on pulls, but you rather pull for both if you can since big space between sa2 and wang banners

[lyric lagoon]

also depends on the operators themselves

[buoyant sigil]

What about dupe chance after one 6*? To hell with that or should I carefully consider if I wanna invest more

[tired pewter]

dupes are not worth pulling for

[winter crystal]

It’s like pulling on a fake slot machine so you don’t spend money on a real one it’s one coping mechanism I guess

[severe crypt]

How else are you supposed to flex your 6 stars over the pot1 plebeians

[pale tapir]

for upcoming banner if you shoot for both just shoot for both and don't worry about offrates and dupes
but if you only want one and you get that one just stop once u get them

[buoyant sigil]

Is my only option if I get the wrong one coping with it

[severe crypt]

Ykw pot1 plebs has a nice ring to it

[lyric lagoon]

if only we had guilds…

[tired pewter]

that was my band in college

[boreal steeple]

I mean its possible with your account progression to go for both, since both rate ups are kinda future-proof

[buoyant sigil]

True. Is there even a limited that’s completely fallen off there probably is

[snow hare]

On the topic of dupes, these are random every reset, right? Or is there a fixed rotation?

[tired pewter]

W is terrible now but I don't think she was all that good when she came out either
muelsyse is niche, nian is a sidegrade to hoshiguma, dusk is pretty mediocre, etc

[lyric lagoon]

the infamous dusk

[pale tapir]

are there even any good artilleryman ops combat wise

[tired pewter]

fiammetta for afk gaming kinda, but definitely not, like, strong

[buoyant sigil]

Redeployment on cooldown simulator

[safe tundra]

fia was a good annihilation slave for good amount of time before a sloppier afk slop came in

[lyric lagoon]

artilleryman got overshadowed by flingers

[tired pewter]

mostly just the one flinger, to be honest...

[boreal steeple]

Eh idk, tokens are kinda unnecessary unless you want to brag with someone

[safe tundra]

thats not what they asked

[buoyant sigil]

Shirayuki fr

[tired pewter]

I guess rosmontis is still more relevant in IS than any artillerymen

[winter crystal]

Yeah she’s actually more relevant in IS then she’s ever been anywhere even on launch

[snow hare]

I could buy a couple sets so not worried about the cost. Just haven't decided which ones yet cause I have a lot to catch up on

[buoyant sigil]

Wouldn’t you rather spend yellow certs on pulls or ops?

[snow hare]

both

[pale tapir]

yes but for vets with a gazillion orundum and all the ops already the tokens can be nice

[tired pewter]

as far as I know the tokens in gold cert shop are random
not very worth to buy them unless 🐳

[safe tundra]

tokens are obtained and spent on someone youve completely commited to raise on, otherwise theres really no point on trying

[winter crystal]

Then 💳 and all your problems are solved

[safe tundra]

as matter of fact pls gift me royal supporter token

[boreal steeple]

They're randomised every standard banner, had to look up into wiki

[snow hare]

Thanks, must've missed it there

[boreal steeple]

Depends if op is good enough. 26.5 worth of pulls in exchange of not going for rng(pulling)

[pale tapir]

they were comparing pulls/ops to tokens in the statement you replied to
saying that spending on pulls or spending on an op is better than spending on tokens

[boreal steeple]

I said about tokens before. Oh shit

[tired pewter]

wouldn't it be 104 pulls' worth since you gotta buy 4 tokens for 1 potential

[buoyant sigil]

How good would duelist defenders be if any of them had 3 block

[vital kelp]

isnt it a lot mire tho, since 4 dupe is like 540 which is like two batches of yellow cert pulls

so its like 80 pulls

[boreal steeple]

They're dreadnaughts of defender class

[tired pewter]

probably still not great due to astronomical DP cost and the fact that blocking in general is pretty weak
eunectes does block 3 during skill 3, fwiw

[buoyant sigil]

I see

[boreal steeple]

You forgot that they need to block

[snow hare]

I feel like it's still pretty good value when going for specific operators. Especially limiteds cause I'm not going to get spooked by them randomly. Obviously not good for everyone.
I just have the luxury of a gazillion resources from the last time I played

[safe tundra]

as the name suggest theyre designed to duel elites / bosses. the problem is they failed to design any

vetochki probably duels better than any duelist defenders

[tired pewter]

if you value potentials highly it's honestly not a terrible trade

[buoyant sigil]

How much did th33 FOR ONE SEMI-USELESS EUNECTES??? Dear god I understand now

[boreal steeple]

They have a bit different roles, but ig it works

[pale tapir]

yeah if you're chasing sakichan pot6 like me it's worth
or an old limited pot for example

[safe tundra]

she specifically does what they do

[lyric lagoon]

just become an RA main

[buoyant sigil]

Cement is 32 dp cost I am taken aback by this

32 dp for a meh operator? In this economy?

[tired pewter]

welcome to funky defender archetypes

[safe tundra]

cement is ironically a more defensive side. imagine a 1 block cuora

[lyric lagoon]

highest defense in the game with skill active iirc

[winter crystal]

Cement mentioned in help

[buoyant sigil]

As if fortress archetype having a gigatic blindspot wasn’t enough

[lyric lagoon]

das conk creet bay bee

[winter crystal]

The most relevant cement has been has been in strategy channel, vets showing off cement clears against the ch16 bear while newbies struggle for hours 😭

[buoyant sigil]

Cuora except they don’t block like cuora does for 11 less dp

[safe tundra]

penance and hoshi are the two only successful offensive defenders (the former fell off)

[buoyant sigil]

Sounds like weird game design to me

[pale tapir]

cuora just goated like that

[formal shadow]

rat gaming

[buoyant sigil]

Penance? I think that’s way out of my budget sorry

[boreal steeple]

Imagine 1 block unit with like 38% damage reduction and 3k def

[lyric lagoon]

honestly surprised how there hasn’t been a defender op that functions like yu’s wall but instead of a chance to destroy projectiles, protects operators within a zone from projectiles/damage sourced from enemies outside of the barrier

[safe tundra]

horn release didnt came close to penance release :icant:

[severe crypt]

Genuinely the bear isn’t hard (I say while using Nian haruka, Shu mon3tr and exu2)

[tired pewter]

logos s3 sorta does this

[boreal steeple]

i want to brag with my 5 ops e1 low rarity clear

[lyric lagoon]

less of a barrier, more of a control zone though

[formal shadow]

It lets me flex flametail usage

[severe crypt]

Ok but flametail fell off

[pale tapir]

I mean some newbie in gen chat had flametail dodge bear 5 times in a row offskill so it works ig

[signal dragon]

thx for making me feel worse about giving her mod 3

[safe tundra]

sounds likje someone quitted instead of gambling deeper

[lyric lagoon]

why not just jaye

[severe crypt]

My mud is mod3 we all have skeletons in our closet 🚬

[formal shadow]

I wish I could win 5 30% dodge chances in a row 🥹

[severe crypt]

I paid for the whole speedometer I’ll use the whole speedometer

[buoyant sigil]

How many vgs do I need for penance again

[severe crypt]

0 if the stage is nice enough

[winter crystal]

I win the chance 99% chance to not get a 6 star like 50 times in a row does that count?

[lyric lagoon]

just get 5 dupes of the same operator on an orienteering

[formal shadow]

me having flametail die onskill with 86% dodge chance

[safe tundra]

flametail

[buoyant sigil]

wouldn’t that be 33% chance per op i wish

[lyric lagoon]

ch3n could never imagine dodge chance

[severe crypt]

Considering my old stage clears with pen used Myrtle Tex, you’ll be fiiiine with whatever

[urban sleet]

Yeah bear is easy (I say this while using trag and dorothy)

[buoyant sigil]

Use a duelist fr

[urban sleet]

Just one works unless you specifically want her down asap
Sometimws even 0 if stage is nice

[boreal steeple]

Flagpipe or agents

[severe crypt]

Omw to force Shileds to do a Lessing solo

[buoyant sigil]

The correct answer

[urban sleet]

I am traumatised by flapgpip and bagpipe talks due to a recent incident pls don't mention them

[signal dragon]

what happened this time

[safe tundra]

hello my name is ar-

[urban sleet]

Different server dw, one filled with turbo casuals

Sth sth bagpipe is good cuz I love my 6 initial sp making me wait less and bagpipe holding trash lanes

[winter crystal]

You don’t understand you need more dp if you want to place exu2

[safe tundra]

anyway
has anyone already compared eyja modX to modY

[urban sleet]

Eyja1 or 2?

[quick jolt]

me i have but im not telling you

[safe tundra]

1 on s3

[signal dragon]

didn't we have this convo a few days ago

[boreal steeple]

ModY is s3 faster cycle, meanwhile her main skill became s2

[safe tundra]

noone uses s2 bro that shit slop

[formal shadow]

I'd rather dororat mody lvl 3 before I spend resources on eyja mod

[safe tundra]

i dont even remember the mod code for the double damage trap one

[tired pewter]

that's mod X, Y is the spam mines in deployment range one

[astral bear]

is this endfield offtopic channel...

[urban sleet]

Different server, og arknights related

[tired pewter]

I'm thrilled that people are still getting into huge stupid arguments about vanguards even all these years later

[astral bear]

👍

[winter crystal]

Time is a circle

[safe tundra]

clock is literally ticking, we are to brace for another once silverass drops

[winter crystal]

As timeless as seeing a Projekt red on a newbies account

[lyric lagoon]

history repeats itself

[signal dragon]

happens 3 times a week here

[abstract mauve]

hi chat i found this tierlist somewhere. is it good?

[vital kelp]

why are we doing this

[pale tapir]

exia getting the full body art she deserves
slow day

[signal dragon]

why is eyja alt there twice
nvm I'm blind

[astral bear]

shileds is this ragebait

[abstract mauve]

you are asking too many questions

[buoyant sigil]

The way swire2 is one tier higher than fiametta is already making me wish I didn’t have to see this

[undone wren]

Hello any suggestion on skill mastery prio by order of who to be done first?

[abstract mauve]

swire2 has an IS mod. it's a niche IS mod but it's still something

[formal shadow]

don't dis my swalter IS mod :realmad:

[lyric lagoon]

why is exia2 the only one with a full-portrait art

[safe tundra]

whichever you prefer in between leizi or ray

[abstract mauve]

refer to my previous comment to suraj

[buoyant sigil]

All photos were taken in the same scale, they just tiny

[tired pewter]

(not in order) ascalon s2m3, surtr s3m3, ray s3m3, leizi s2m3, mon3tr s2m3 and s3m3

[pale tapir]

they specifically asked for order xD
prioritize dmg masteries

[astral bear]

might be updating my playable in cn vs not playable in cn tier list soon

[tired pewter]

rather than which one is optimal to do first it's probably best to do them in order of how often you use these operators, surtr's s3m3 masteries are extremely important for her, but how often do you use her?

[undone wren]

Just when boss stage if they are out of range usually

[urban sleet]

I personally don't bother with order just do whosever mats you have on hand

[boreal steeple]

I maybe consider yato2 a good op, but ig just high decent is well enough

[buoyant sigil]

mon3 skill prio?

[undone wren]

2

[buoyant sigil]

How’s her s3? Niche usage I’m assuming

[pale tapir]

great for its usage

[tired pewter]

good but you probably won't use it as much as s2

[buoyant sigil]

Because s2 is better healing right

[winter crystal]

With enough attack speed she can brute force bosses in IS

[winter crystal]

And utility on activation

[boreal steeple]

Yes cuz its buffing+healing skill while s3 is true dmg + tanky skill

[urban sleet]

Killari what do you prefer for is6 ed3

[buoyant sigil]

Ooh, neat
In general content it’s used like a liberator right? pop when swarm, go boom

[thorn token]

Is there any must have item in this shop?

[winter crystal]

Simple radian + healer opening, and then just place your ops where you want while radian S2 takes care of all the ballz

[pale tapir]

basically but I tend to use it on bosses not mobs tbh
regular ops can handle mobs
the true dmg is most useful against enemies regular ops can't handle

[buoyant sigil]

Fair, it’s also pretty good for that

[urban sleet]

Everything minus furniture parts, rope skin and furniture

[urban sleet]

I see

[tired pewter]

you could probably skip the furniture also

[boreal steeple]

Same

[winter crystal]

What was your plan? 😂

Radians summons don’t get affected by the hp% burn gimmick

[urban sleet]

Thats what I did

[winter crystal]

It’s actually easier to keep your ops alive if you stack armor instead of hp bc it’s total hp% burn 🥀

[urban sleet]

Wdym armor barrier?

[winter crystal]

I mean if you had to choose between the two bc you don’t want your ops dying to enemies on the map on high diff

[buoyant sigil]

And I’m assuming that if I’m poor on damage mon3 s3 is better than s2?

[vital kelp]

i assume by armor they mean defense

[boreal steeple]

You rather use s2 to buff your team

[winter crystal]

Well any resists

[urban sleet]

smh confused me, use correct terminology, you are a helper

[ancient current]

what are you even talking about

[boreal steeple]

Ngl just having better healer solves ed3

[winter crystal]

Optimal buffs to make your ops tankier for ending 3 IS6

[ancient current]

what is "any resists"

[urban sleet]

Wait does barrier count for hp% burn

[winter crystal]

No it’s based off your max hp

[boreal steeple]

Barrier is a different thing, i dont think it affects DoT

[urban sleet]

so it wasnt my lumen heavylifting but barrier tongbao cooking

[boreal steeple]

Isnt it just hp, since my ops didnt bleed that much

[balmy panther]

? it hits the barrier first yes

[winter crystal]

If it’s based off current hp it decrease damage overtime but it does % total hp damage which means it’s consistent damage based on your total hp

I’m not using the proper terms

[urban sleet]

I meant the scaling

[vital kelp]

killari needs to read the wiki again

[winter crystal]

Am I wrong? I’ll check

[abstract mauve]

i consider her high decent ye. high end usage of yato2 is schizophrenic and i just disagree with it. feels like you're forcing yourself to use her rather than her being actually good. might be a little harsh on yato2 and texalter but ye. i can understand her usage back then in high end we lacked options but ye

[oak shale]

Are the H missions from chapter 16 out yet? Or am I blind

[vital kelp]

i dont even know cuz the terms are weird

[lyric lagoon]

not yet, check pins for time

[oak shale]

Oh so 2 hours lol. Good timing

[winter crystal]

“Lose 2% of their max HP per second for 60 seconds”

[willow kelp]

hey y'all, who should I get from the picker?

[balmy panther]

? no
hp scaling doesnt care about barrier

[urban sleet]

Yeah I got my answer too thanks tho

[winter crystal]

Yeah so if you had 100 hp but 50000 hp barrier you’d still be taking 2 hp damage per second for 60 seconds, so build resists and barrier for boss fight not stacking hp.

[ancient current]

eyja or surtr maybe

[lyric lagoon]

pins -> roadless camelot -> beginner guide

[urban sleet]

Oh yeah do you prefer f3 shop rob or f6 shop rob for ed3 that js, is f6 shop guaranteed

[boreal steeple]

Ig surtr is better pick

[undone portal]

when do they usually announce the next standard banner in #game-news ? wondering whos after horn

[winter crystal]

I didn’t even rob the shop when I did my d15 run didn’t have any attack speed for ingots coins and nothing interested me even on refresh

[urban sleet]

[wraith shoal]

in red cert shop,should I just get a copy of each op first or just max pot the good ones and then buy the rest?

[echo venture]

one copy but not all

[urban sleet]

Ethan for combat, quartz for base
And 1 copy

[undone portal]

one copy of quartz/ethan is already enough for most purposes
you can get a copy of all of them if you want, pots arent worth the redcert cost

[boreal steeple]

I think they forgot to announce tbh, just wait more hours

[echo venture]

e1 quartz for trading post

[undone portal]

alright i just wanna know if jessicalts coming home

[wraith shoal]

so the 5 stars arent good

[undone portal]

the redcert 5stars range anywhere from mid to actively dysfunctional

[balmy panther]

hariya is mega hot tho

[undone portal]

yes this is hadiya slander unfortunately

[urban sleet]

Hadiya isnt available in shop yet

[undone portal]

Soon™

[wraith shoal]

damn,which one is that bad?

[tired pewter]

diamante

[abstract mauve]

diamante

[urban sleet]

Does anyone remember gold cert debut order upto hoederer

[undone portal]

https://akgcc.github.io/shoplist/ try this

[abstract mauve]

hadiya's biggest upside is her dp cost

[boreal steeple]

Too real, feels like redcert robbery

[undone portal]

websites nice because you get visual indicators for things like the saga incident

[inland steeple]

does yostar usually release half anniversary reruns before the new half anniversary events?

[wraith shoal]

were people mad she was released later or something?

[young glacier]

Yostar does whatever yostar want

[undone portal]

kinda depends on the scheduling. we've had some before, some after

[vital kelp]

depends

[inland steeple]

so 50/50 chance ill have to sit through lappalter event before pramalter event, got it

thanks

[undone portal]

i dont think there were enough people waiting to cert her for it to be a problem, but there was concern she was forgotten somehow
though if your cert target gets delayed that means more time to save, no?

[winter crystal]

All I remember from lapalter was that one song playing over and over again on every stage

[wraith shoal]

didnt something similar happen with dorothy banner too?

[undone portal]

dorothy event got delayed for a while yea

[undone portal]

-# youve taken us this far

[winter crystal]

MH second collab

[young glacier]

CN pattern for first time shoperator is roughly 2 years after release. Saga took 2 years 2 months on Yostar

[undone portal]

monhun collab2 seems still on schedule? i remember it took a while between senshi teaser and dunmeshi event announcement, i think they just announce collabs early so fans have a long time to save

[winter crystal]

They announced in 2024 tho

[wraith shoal]

afaik yostar has a funky schedule in general,like they doin shrooms before deciding the order of the events

[undone portal]

am i tripping or wasnt the news for monhun collab2 during silveralt stream

[winter crystal]

They had just a title card of the collab in 2024 from what I remember

[vital kelp]

wym on schedule, they never announced a date or anything

[young glacier]

Even if event scheduling took IS1 ending 3 route that's was only major deviation from 2 year shoperator pattern

[undone portal]

as in like, it hasnt been so long we should start worrying if we have a destiny2 on our hands

[vital kelp]

how can it be "still" on schedule when it was never there

wait and stay tuned

[winter crystal]

If we get a Destiny collab it will arrive after its eos lmao

[wraith shoal]

i dont feel like many gave a damn about saga though.I have never seen her brought up in discussions here,or just used anywhere in general

[young glacier]

We won't. Period

[urban sleet]

They released a teaser for monhun a week ago

And now they announced ursus side story :realmad:

[young glacier]

Well i am not even sure what is current topic is but on topic of shoperators that was a thing. Which i didn't knew

[undone portal]

her most notable usecase was being a manual transmission slugkiller for originium dust, a r6s collab event you cant even play anymore

[urban sleet]

Cuz saga is outdated asf, she's trash now

[abstract mauve]

she was actually brought up years ago. not ever really used now

[tired pewter]

actually powercrept by vulpisfoglia 🥀

[abstract mauve]

she's only really brought up when talking about top op tag

[winter crystal]

I wonder if they pushed back MH collab bc the MH wilds game had so many negative reviews

[urban sleet]

wow

[tiny chasm]

:c

[wraith shoal]

feel like they should make the collab events playable for those who werent playing when they were out,but that might just be me idk

[coarse notch]

likely a lot of legal issues with that

[urban sleet]

Omw to make a bazillion alts to praise MH wilds

[tired pewter]

collab events are usually subject to licensing agreements which restrict what HG can do with the content

[winter crystal]

Do it for siege I need ela

[undone portal]

saga s2 is a little too manual for most people and s3 has no real usecase now that vulpisfoglia exists
you could cope her as an sp battery maybe

[coarse notch]

they do reuse some of the enemies from collabs but theres probably some weird legal fine print otherwise they'd leave it open

[vital kelp]

saga warf vs eoe second coming aaah

[undone portal]

i just wish dunmeshi event stories got saved in archives like the other collabs i wanna read it again and i cant

[vital kelp]

check utube

[undone portal]

just doesnt feel the same smh

[vital kelp]

i dont think arknights story is gonna be a part of lost media so soon

[winter crystal]

Simply buy HG and do what you want

[undone portal]

i am of limited means my friend

[vital kelp]

u still cant

unless u buy hg AND make a new deal with dunmeshi people

[urban sleet]

Make mostima, shining and nightingale alters whike you are at it

[winter crystal]

Why buy one company when you can buy two

Ros alter as a teen

[undone portal]

infiltrating hg offices to leave ifrit/hung/andreana alter docs and immediately heading back out
anyway thats enough of this before mods tell us to shut it

[vital kelp]

(pretend im blue name)

[urban sleet]

Hoe is used in IS5 cuz permastun eith aspd relics right

[winter crystal]

While you’re at it just rip the bandaid off for grubber and have his server skip all the content until he’s on track with global

[vital kelp]

dont u use s1 at it

[undone portal]

not permastun, hoe uses s1 in is
massive base hp + hp relics + hp% healing = actually functional quilon stall

[vital kelp]

for high dph and good healing

[urban sleet]

[vital kelp]

rude

[winter crystal]

He also gives himself 28% sanctuary and the op directly behind him. So like stereotypical hoe + mylnar

[coarse notch]

you use s2 in ed2

ideally your hoe should be s1m3, s2m1, possibly s3m3

[autumn goblet]

ok, most likely dumb, but i got Logos and Sakiko from here, but i can't find them anywhere in the roaster.
ofc it's the event one.
am i missing something here?

[winter crystal]

If you don’t own them you can pick them up on your friend tab

[undone portal]

if you dont own the op yourself you need to use one of your 4 support slots

[autumn goblet]

i don't own Logos but do own Sakiko

but i still can't find her at all

[winter crystal]

Honestly I think I had the same issue idk, I have mlynar but had to borrow him. I didn’t look into why that was

[wraith shoal]

maybe leave and rejoin the event or smth

[winter crystal]

Yeah you can try refreshing Arknights

[autumn goblet]

tried just event, now let me try the whole game

[ocean mulch]

Is Virtuousa a Offrate in SA event?

[autumn goblet]

nope, still can't find her
WTH

[winter crystal]

Just going to have to borrow

Sakiko isn’t good on this game mode tho right?
Reedalter better pick imo

[autumn goblet]

Bruh then why did i even redeemed her? if i can't even use mine and have to borrow

[winter crystal]

It’s a brand new kind of game mode I guess there’s some bugs

[autumn goblet]

welp, time to use whatever this event lets me ig....
thanks guys

[wraith shoal]

yeah she's kinda bad

[winter crystal]

Literally anytime I was about to lose life bc I flooded the map with enemies I just activated S3 on reedalt and it wasn’t a problem anymore

[boreal steeple]

S2 permastun or s1 stalling capabilities

[wraith shoal]

I had exu2 wisadel and lemuen to clear enemies

[winter crystal]

Just raised my hoeder, not bad but yeah needs a lot more attack speed then I originally thought. He is basically unkillable tho once you get to that point

Didn’t even use him tho, had so much attack speed just killed ending 3 and 5 without blocking

[wraith shoal]

Pair him with mon3tr for the extra attack speed

[raw dune]

Is mantra worth pulling?

[winter crystal]

I mean sure, you get carried away in a boat if you don’t stop them in ending 2 () , monster dies without good relics to ending 3 second phase high ground barrage(I guess you could just use S3 to dodge it but now you don’t give as much attack speed to hoe) and ending 5….at that point you can just blitz the boss down typically (and ideally)

[ancient current]

what do you mean you don't have relocation in every run

[winter crystal]

Truuu

[grizzled galleon]

If I kill bob at IS 6 big bob certificate event can I still visit him at shop?

[vital kelp]

yes

[grizzled galleon]

And he will be there?

[winter crystal]

I read bob with two “o” and was very concerned

[odd sky]

boob

[formal shadow]

:roswao:

[primal dagger]

Is module 3 exusai alter worth it?

[abstract mauve]

decent module on one of the very best units in the game. so ye

[hollow bloom]

Is mantra s3 okay with either tragodia s2 or s3? Or tragodia s3 is better for mantra

[abstract mauve]

trag s3 is better for the combo but s2 works just fine for it as well

s2 makes placement less limiting and doesnt limit tragodia to his s3 but s3 does work better for the combo itself

[formal shadow]

being able to reduce the nervous cooldown is very nice

[heady ruin]

You could also have his module and breakthrough level tbh

S2 iiiis his better skill anyways soooooooooo, if you use mantra S3 just make sure that he's in her range.

....though I'm not sure his cats counts as singular skill activations lol

That might be why S3 is better

[abstract mauve]

getting the skill activations for mantra shouldnt be too hard. 2 skill activations within the span of her skill shouldnt take that much effort

[median fable]

the problem of s2 is that you're applying the par only a couple of times at most, losing the main appeal of Mantra s3. Trag s3 is preferable since keeps applying it and the NI cd is halved. Basically no reason to run s2 over s3 if the context is Mantragodia

[abstract mauve]

wasnt it 50% faster recharge. so not halved

[tiny abyss]

Wait is it halved cause Iirc it's +50% right

[median fable]

you're right, not halved

[heady ruin]

Isn't his skill 2 always active forever??? Unless deploying cats count

[median fable]

in my mind it was 50% cd

[abstract mauve]

his s2 is afk yeah. deploying cat doesnt count. still getting 2 skill activations in mantra's range within 40 seconds shouldnt be too bad

[median fable]

yeah, but why not applying it more?

obv it works, but if you're betting on Mantra s3 atp go all-in

in the end, the solution is just to not use Mantra 🥹

[heady ruin]

Redeploying him just for two skills........ Huh

I mean I guess if you have exualt...? Or .... Silverash2

[tiny abyss]

Whar

[heady ruin]

I mean you're only getting her bonus from activating his skill in her range once.

Then you gotta actively kill him to use it again

[median fable]

yeah, but you have 10 other ops who can activate their skills

[tiny abyss]

Use someone else

[heady ruin]

They specifically mentioned Tragodia but yeah trie

[tiny abyss]

Trag is for the NI

[heady ruin]

Having someone like Leizi should work
you could use thorns too since I think he's the only one NI choice we have too
or any operator with charged skills

[median fable]

Tragodia is used to overcome the limit of 3 par activation from her skill

[heady ruin]

I seeeee

[median fable]

Thorns is coping

[tiny abyss]

750 elem dot trust

[median fable]

like, I'd rather use Mantra s2 to let Thorns do some dmg lol

[heady ruin]

Hes the only other choice available

😭😭😭😭😭

[tiny abyss]

-# Grace :sorawao:

[median fable]

the problem is that without Tragodia you'll get two big nukes in a 40/40 skill which is kinda meh. With Tragodia you can overcome this limit and her s3 become more conisstent

[heady ruin]

Who uses GRACE S1

[median fable]

better than Thorns

[heady ruin]

and not the "kill everyone" button

[median fable]

as said, it's coping. He barely will apply the NI on enemies

[heady ruin]

Fair, better some than nothing though, really wish we had more NI choices siiiigh

[median fable]

I'd rather use nothing than the actively bad option

[waxen dove]

what IS should i be doing next? Im done with 4 and 5 and 6

[median fable]

idk man, pick what you like more

is3 for mizuki skin for real

[shadow bay]

should have say for main menu background smh

[median fable]

honestly not my fav

[waxen dove]

hahaha
i dont have that twink yet sadly
is there any difference is rewards that is like extremely huge
like more lmd or better rewards

[wraith shoal]

how many levels are they adding each time in IS6 and how often?

[waxen dove]

iirc is2 gives 4 spec tokens which i can just use for wang

[median fable]

is3 ha more levels
is2 has spec royal tokens

[median fable]

like 15 or 20 a month each month til they complete it. I don't remember exact numbers, check prts wiki for thst

[waxen dove]

yeah the rewards for is2 do stop at 140 even tho it stretches till 155
i think im just gonna do is3 because thats hard
i can just cheese is2 when i need to
thanks

[slim fractal]

How do I get more point for leveling rebuilding mandate? I have clear all stages

[abstract mauve]

afk income or by grinding the same stage over and over and over and over
so mainly afk income

[slim fractal]

any stages will do?

[meager oak]

What does flint do

[abstract mauve]

i think later ones give more. also just to check, you also got all the rewards from the missions?

[slim fractal]

Yes

[abstract mauve]

5* fighter that blocks 0 on skill and slows. her range is ass her damage is ass even for 5* standards

[meager oak]

I meant the limited drop

[abstract mauve]

you mean the event shop currency? it's for use in the event shop

[slim fractal]

just reach max efficiency or do I have to clear till the timer run out?

[meager oak]

which event is it I think I might just be behind on progress

nvm im dumb I found it

[abstract mauve]

if you are doing afk, getting max efficiency is good. @slate ridge prolly knows more about this

[meager oak]

theres literally a picture of the flint on the event banner 😭

[runic willow]

EN debuff

[wraith shoal]

what would the battle give me?

[slim fractal]

Oh that not what I meant, I meant do I need to get max efficiency on the stage I already clear or I have to wait till the stage timer ran out

[abstract mauve]

allows you to turn 1 to 2 operators into candlebearers if you are able to keep them alive throughout the stage. 1/2 depends on which floors you do this. floor 1-3 allow for 1 candlebearer. 4 and above allow for 2. it also gives some rewards for clearing the stage iirc

[slim fractal]

I already got max efficiency on all stages

[abstract mauve]

oh ye rain would prolly know better it's why i @'d him. also there's a dedicated #1480479361885933792 thread

[slim fractal]

Ah I should go there, ty

[silk knot]

Is cheetos worth building?

[odd sky]

if you want to use her in IS yes with the IS mod

[proven kelp]

Ending the stage at any point in time will make what your current gathered resources as your efficiency for that stage

Clearing the stage until timer runs out is only for unlocking the next one

[slim fractal]

So I can just leave after getting all the resource to max?

[proven kelp]

Yes

[slim fractal]

for spam clears

[true lantern]

Does Mantra worth to roll or she niche?

[silk knot]

Is her IS module the only module worth to get?

[chilly apex]

guys, which module for horn?

[odd sky]

y1

[chilly apex]

tyty, not worth to lvl?

[odd sky]

yes

[true lantern]

Which module work best for Hoshiguma guys?

[chilly apex]

i think its is the one that does not increase block count, but not sure

[waxen dove]

Hello

Best module for hoshiygyama

Hello?👋 why the react

[true lantern]

ty

[winter crystal]

X mod for hoshi

[ancient lintel]

1. it's hoshiguma
2. Xlv1+

[waxen dove]

Ok king thanks

[waxen dove]

Sorry im new and i dont know the op names
couldn’t decide the mod king

[hidden wolf]

Is wang good

[winter crystal]

….yes very

[silver smelt]

kid named 640+ stage records

[true lantern]

only my wang is good

[winter crystal]

Comparing wangs

[proven kelp]

A good Wang is a dead Wang

[waxen dove]

WorldDestroyer9000

[mild yacht]

But how will you Wang Chung without a Wang to Chung?

[balmy panther]

more like siscon 9000

[waxen dove]

More like FuckYouWeLoveWang9000

[severe crypt]

I missed a whole phineas and ferb episode wtf

[winter crystal]

It was a filler episode don’t worry about it

[wraith shoal]

would monster be a viable replacement for haruka in IS6?

[light latch]

No?

mon3tr is a good healer and has a lot of uses in IS but she does almost nothing similar to haruka besides the fact that they heal

[turbid ocean]

dont do the same thing but can be good enough depending on the difficulty

[light latch]

if u need a healer, mon3tr is fine, but if whatever you’re looking to do specifically wants haruka, replacing her with mon3tr isnt gonna work

[ancient lintel]

mon is offensive while haruka is defensive imo

[turbid ocean]

I mean obviously different util but at the end of the day both trying to keep ops alive

if you dont play high diff mon3tr will be fine

even at high diff mon3tr might still be fine, just depends on the situation

[arctic hawk]

uh i think this is very obvious

[light latch]

We are in #help , its best not to assume things are obvious

[arctic hawk]

[wraith shoal]

nevermind,lost anyway

[wraith shoal]

it was about the boss

[light latch]

Is this ending 1 boss

[peak summit]

dude i dont even know which skills to use on leizi alter , any m3 suggestions and ''best'' or ''decent' skill compared to other skills

[lament loom]

Which boss

[wraith shoal]

ending 1

[undone wren]

s2m3

[lament loom]

I mean IS6 ED1 is pretty doable even without healer. Goal is just to kill Yi asap or stall her endlessly. U can do it with Raidian and Trag consistently.

[waxen dove]

just use hoshi alt s2

[wraith shoal]

my raidian is e1 only so I only have trag.I tried hoshi2 s2 but the healing isnt enough

[peak summit]

what about s1

[light latch]

for yi you want to immediately spawn camp him so he cant summon stuff in the lower half of the map and blow up the whole squad

[undone wren]

Not sure. I just grew leizi2 yesterday too lmao I was suggested s2. Its good

[wraith shoal]

i do that but i just get nuked.Hoshi goes in the red instantly

[peak summit]

ahhh man

[lament loom]

U have Trag s2 right?

[wraith shoal]

s2 M3

[lament loom]

Yea so its just stall fest basically

[light latch]

Raidian being e1 is kind of irrelevant for the purpose of blocking him, the summons are still useful for shoving him upwards by a tile whenever he tries to walk down

[undone wren]

In roadless its s2 and s3 reccomended

But honestly you can just read what the skill does ig. See the damage percent and range

[wraith shoal]

I unlocked some proficiencies now so I might take her for next run

[lament loom]

U just need Raidian and frd to keep Yi from never walking down, along with Trag s2 lol

[peak summit]

i mena i got her since release s2 is m3 now but i dont know i feel like shes lacking so i thought maybe s2 isnt her best skill

[wraith shoal]

couldnt manage to get hoshi e2 too so that hurt me as well

[undone wren]

Unlocked her module?

[peak summit]

yea

[lament loom]

If u can stall Yi then the next part is the enemies, which is easy just picking ops to handle bottom left side usually.

[light latch]

Thats a pretty important thing to be missing

[wraith shoal]

my method this time was just put lap,saki,logos and trag at the box and monster with haruka healing hoshi up top

[wraith shoal]

at the end she was at like 1% hp too

[lament loom]

U got Raidian summons and Frd for Yi too?

[jaunty cradle]

Which character would be best to get module for in this squad? (Exu2 has mod)

[wraith shoal]

frd?I didnt pick raidian cause she was e1 with no skill leveled and no proficiencies

[lament loom]

Frd is just fast redeploy. Gravel exists.
The funny part about Raidian's proficiencies is that one of the requirements is that you solo Yi with Raidian alone

[light latch]

Sakiko really really wants her mod

[jaunty cradle]

[light latch]

Lemon also benefits a lot too

[wraith shoal]

yeah didnt have any fast redeploy,planning on upgrading more 4 stars soon too,just gathering resources.For future raidian profs I'm not really stressing since she's probably gonna be e2.Got one that helps summons tho so trag will be better

[dense veldt]

is the supply crate worth buying? i have like 250+ of kohl/ore

[lament loom]

Its easier than u think. For soloing Yi, its all thanks to IS6 buffs with Raidian's previous proficiencies, IS6 summons buff relics, and Bosky Passage abuse with converting ingots into lifepoints / shield.

[wraith shoal]

since you brought up bosky,should I be buying stuff with life points or nah?

[plush falcon]

Yes exchange for it
U get random mats box and extra small sanity potion for exchanging

[lament loom]

Depends. Goal in IS is to always perfect clear every stage if possible, I believe that gives better reward than clearing it with lives lost?

[shadow bay]

but what if badly need of kohl and/or mango?

[light latch]

in IS6 in specific it doesnt penalize iirc

[light latch]

They said they have 250+ of both…

[plush falcon]

Personally don't think it's worth it lol
They literally said they have 250+ of it

[lament loom]

Is6 shop wonderland cost lifepoints, thats about it. Though some doubt nodes have LP unlock requirements...

[light latch]

They use max hp, not current hp for the high hp ones

[random shard]

Yeah the actual life point request is to be at 1

[lament loom]

Reminds me of IS5 being intentionally over toil limit to lose a life every stage until 1 life poijnt

[jovial urchin]

Yeah after getting to 1 HP in IS for that one node, there is like no point staying at 1 HP anymore

[light latch]

Two nodes

there an encounter in sui consciousness that refills your hp pool so you’re encouraged to be at lower hp for value

[jovial urchin]

Oh there's 2 oops silly me I hate IS6

[lament loom]

I like IS tbh.

[undone wren]

Well uh I was told leizi2 was my best character from my whole rooster kek. (I have saki, logos, ascalon, ray, haruka, mon3tr and some more 6*)

[ebon torrent]

There currently any guides on who to save for upcoming besides Silverash Alter?

[winter crystal]

wang

[ebon torrent]

I looked in pins guys I just saw the mantra faq and rules for the channel

[fathom nest]

Roadless

[ebon torrent]

Just a general banner or limited?

[winter crystal]

limited

[fathom nest]

Quite literally tells you

[ebon torrent]

Maybe cos I'm on mobile, but I saw none of that until clicking the roadless Camelot link. That's super helpful though tyvm!

[winter crystal]

you just need to scroll down....

[fathom nest]

You should know that clicking large pins will expand them

There's no reason, if a pin were that small, for it to be all the way at the bottom

[ebon torrent]

It literally wouldn't scroll down homies, I'm sorry for the bother I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers

[iron pelican]

How many yellow certs does it take to buy all the pulls in shop?

[ebon torrent]

I did not, but for medical reasons I won't get into my head isn't in its top form so I apologize

[tepid thistle]

258

[ebon torrent]

258

[jovial urchin]

I like all IS's, just not IS6 in particular

[lament loom]

Ya, Im progressing on all IS except IS3 so far lmao

[wraith shoal]

is anything in IS1 lore wise cannon?

[fathom nest]

IS lore in general is not canon

[formal shadow]

isn't IS2 and IS4 lore for the most part canon?

is1 is definitely not
It's ceobe's mushroom high (this part is canon)

[coarse notch]

iirc every ending in is2/4 is canon
is3/5 ed1 is canon
not sure about is6

[fathom nest]

Hm

Why would they make some of it canon but others not

[formal shadow]

I think it was is3 ed4 that's a sort of what if situation

[coarse notch]

lorewriters whims

is5 ed2-5 are all alternate universes
is3 ed2-4 are visions given by mizuki iirc
in any case, #ak-lore would probably be better for this

[formal shadow]

all the door's fault :realmad:

[nocturne tusk]

I already got Krooster, Tequila, SilverAsh, Ceylon and Bryophyta(I hate sheep). Which character should I get next to spend the event crystal?

[severe crypt]

Damnit man I trusted that contractor

[coarse notch]

krooster?

[nocturne tusk]

I got her

[wraith shoal]

you mean kroos

[coarse notch]

then it doesnt really matter, the other welfares arent useful for the most part

krooster is another common way of referring to her but sure

[nocturne tusk]

[coarse notch]

just unlock the events as you wish, the welfares wont be used

[odd sky]

[wraith shoal]

well TIL

[odd sky]

nope, event stages for modules

[sterile kayak]

any targets here?

[odd sky]

break the ice for pramanix alter module, bi-7
:tericinema:

top op + specialist and hope for weedy

[sly compass]

I see a lot of people suggesting s1 for Sakiko on h16-1. Is s1 especially good against the shielders? Or just s1 is her afk skill and the only people blasting the H stages in event just have strong accounts so they can do whatever and win?

[sterile kayak]

well, lost the 33%

[odd sky]

[nocturne tusk]

what is logo's best skill to use?

realized I've been using his s1 for a whole time

[odd sky]

s3

[acoustic atlas]

hi, how long do we have until silverash alter?

[odd sky]

like a month probably

[acoustic atlas]

currently have 26k , 7 permits, and 208 yellow certs
am i gonna be fine for silverash alter

[coarse notch]

probably not but nothing you can do about it besides farming for more op

you can probably get one of them easily, the other one will take a bit of luck

[odd sky]

that's like 87 pulls, i think you'll be fine tho

believe

[lament loom]

How does one gain more ingots consistently to get the coin toy relic in IS5?

[coarse notch]

rob the shop

[lament loom]

I only got 50 ingots for some reason.

[coarse notch]

you cannot leak a single chest and you have to allow the boss to spawn the chests at 75% and 50% hp without stunning him in the animation or bursting him too fast

[lament loom]

Whats the requirements for guaranteed coin toy on Wish Fulfilled node?

[coarse notch]

80 ingots
150 for chalice

[lament loom]

The 2nd part is probably why

[lament loom]

150... bruh

[coarse notch]

a perfect shop rob gives you 112

[lament loom]

Yea so I gotta let the boss spawn the chests. Welp, I have to manage my DPS then

[coarse notch]

if you arent doing ed4 it should trivial to reach 150
with petal its a bit more suspicious but still consistently doable

[lament loom]

I accidentally did petal during that and also ruined the shop rob by bursting too fast so no hovering thingies

I died at ED2 first time anyways, never got to see ED4

[coarse notch]

the boss spawns normal carts worth 10 instead of the hovering ones that drop 5
6 of them total for 60
10 of the hovering ones toplane for 50
then 2 from the stage itself for 112, 114 without petal

[lament loom]

I think its my 2nd attempt for ed2 so hopefully I am more prepared this time around.

[coarse notch]

ed2 is pretty easy without anasa karma but you will explode if you dont know what the stage does
classic IS moment

[balmy panther]

lol
lmao even

[lament loom]

Bro I had Anasa Karma relic on ed2 and I struggled gg

[tepid thistle]

what is the easiest IS2 ending?

[coarse notch]

anasa karma ed2 much more difficult good luck

[lament loom]

It appears that I accidentally handicapped myself for first time ed2 lmfao

[coarse notch]

the boats will path over every useful ranged tile during phase 2 so either redeploy your operators or use mon3tr

[balmy panther]

going 24 is crazy for someone who has never beaten ed2

[coarse notch]

probably still ed1

[balmy panther]

ed1

[lament loom]

It was by accident since I was reading IS guide

Ended up realizing that its Qui'lon ending

[coarse notch]

if this is a 245 guide its gonna be an interesting experience for sure
my first time beating ed5 on d18 was on a 245 run so who knows you might learn a lot from it

[lament loom]

Dont worry, I am more prepared and wont accidentally attempt it lol

[lament loom]

True. I was following the 245 guide ya

Need to get the basics down, slowly but surely.

[tepid thistle]

Though how do you beat it?I was using tragodia to pull the boss but the boss still killed all my units

[balmy panther]

you point damage at it and he dies?

a long range sniper can spawncamp him

else Mon3tr sandwich top left

[radiant wyvern]

is d18 ending 2+ doable without tragodia n exu alter

[coarse notch]

yes but also which IS are you talking about

[balmy panther]

none of those words are in the bible

[lament loom]

It was pretty fun, but I think I realize I have like, my own default placements for commonly used ops in certain stages. Apparently I reckon they arent optimal placements cuz I watched IS6 Raidian solo guide and had diff placements from my own Raidian + other ops....

[radiant wyvern]

the sui garedn okay tyty

[radiant wyvern]

that means what

[coarse notch]

yea for sure, one of the medals in IS central is ed2+ed3 with a raidian+exu2 ban
considering trag is less impactful than raidian at d18..

[balmy panther]

that ppl who do d18 psyco and doing it without trag/exu2 is even more schizo

mental hospital #is-station is upstairs, they should know better

[coarse notch]

eh you live and you learn, more adaptable that way

[lament loom]

Where can I find placements for commonly used ops for any stages in any IS?

[coarse notch]

theres also the glorious is3 d18 w24 no feed
or the is5 d18 245t3f

[verbal dust]

guys.... any tips how do i finish this in 9 hours?

[pliant summit]

8 hours is at least a few of those levels if you’re lazy like me

[hexed adder]

type less do more

[pliant summit]

Otherwise just do more levels

[verbal dust]

I thought maxing efficiency of all stages will do the jobs for ya, cz i uust catching up yesterday

[coarse notch]

probably need to go to bilibili for that
is5 sniper/medic has a couple of videos and playthroughs on bait's yt channel, along with stuff like glory of humanity/sentinel/hollow visage
IScentral's yt channel also has some vods
but for normal stages its gonna be either bilibili, asking someone in IS central, or figuring it out on your own

[lament loom]

Gotcha. Cheers.

[signal dragon]

it does
you just left it too late

[hexed adder]

Because u did it very late, thats ur punishment. Not all event can be speedrun on last hrs

[verbal dust]

😩

[hexed adder]

Its doable surely, just grind more

Or forget it, move on

[grizzled lark]

What is the best module for Mudrock?

[hexed adder]

Modless, modX lv1 if u insist. Waste tbh

[verbal dust]

Thanks anyways guys

[hexed adder]

3 more lvs for medal if u care

[winter crystal]

get her IS5 free outfit

[lilac kestrel]

I was just doing my first trial run of integrated strategies and whilst i didn't win I did get enough points to get raidian is she worth doing more of the integrated stuff to level her up

[royal swan]

There's resources in the is central discord and on YouTube, lupolover has a bunch if videos of raidian soloing maps and is central has a playlist of e2 raidian+ e1 amiya beating every bosky fight

[lament loom]

Got it, thanks

[lament loom]

Yes!

[royal swan]

If u plan to play IS6 more then yes, she's the best unit there

Otherwise it depends on how new u are, summoners aren't that great in general content cuz summons take deployment slots that could be used for actual units that would do more but if ur new and u don't have that many good units at e2, chances are the raidian summons might be better than some units on ur team atp

[royal swan]

There's also the guides on the is central website that cover specific strats and show operator placements for key fights when following said strat

[hidden wolf]

How would i keep logos permanent

[robust thistle]

What does that mean

[hidden wolf]

I see in some videos its always on

[robust thistle]

What is

[random mountain]

Skill 1

[hidden wolf]

The skill or ult

[robust thistle]

We dont have an ult

We have 3 skills, his skill 1 has infinite duration

You know you can only pick 1 skill in a stage right

[light latch]

Tf is this conversation

[drifting prairie]

can you link IS central's yt? i cant seem to find it

[royal swan]

Idk if they have a YouTube, they have individual users posting videos they brainstorm on each of their channels

They have a website and a discord server tho if u need help finding either

Bait (wrote the is5 snip-med guide)has a video of an entire is5 run as well as videos of every emergency stage tackled with snip-med and has similar stuff for other ISes as well

[grizzled lark]

How?

[winter crystal]

by just playing the game

[drifting prairie]

ohh i see, i was looking for the playlist where raiden solos every bosky fight, i cant seem to find it on their site

[spark matrix]

anyone have a maxed hoshiguma i could borrow for h16-2

[drifting prairie]

i can heelp Frazzydoof#9359

[toxic cape]

I dont understand how to unlock. I did try integrate strategies but not get points.

[winter crystal]

its part of the battle pass rewards for IS5 at the end

[robust thistle]

are you sure youre doing the correct thing

[toxic cape]

@robust thistle what did I do wrong?

[robust thistle]

integrated strategies isnt what youre supposed to do here, thats another entirely separate game mode

[spark matrix]

added, put it on your support

[robust thistle]

you clear adverse mode, then you make the stuff harder with strategic simulation

[drifting prairie]

i dont have her "maxed" though, i dont have pot 6
somone else may if you need that

[spark matrix]

oh i meant base hoshi

[grizzled lark]

What lvl? All I see it lava alt skin

[toxic cape]

@robust thistle oh

[robust thistle]

[drifting prairie]

i just put base hoshi

[winter crystal]

keep scrolling to the right its at the end

[toxic cape]

@robust thistle sorry and thank you my mentor

[robust thistle]

idk where you get 'integrate strategies' when nothing in that window says 'intergrate'

[winter crystal]

wait lava skin? thats IS6 youre looking for IS5

[robust thistle]

we start from IS2

[grizzled lark]

Oh ok

[spark matrix]

alright then just accept friend req

[drifting prairie]

just did

[royal swan]

Is-resources in their discord server, it's a bilibili playlist

[light latch]

Or put in: #is-station has:link in the search bar

#is-station message

[royal swan]

by Qiqi Steins
playlist: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1K68AzmE27

Note: all of these assume F2, and with no relevant negative effects from sources like tongbaos or hours of Sui. Some of them may not work on higher floors or with negative effects present (although with beneficial effects from collectibles or additional operators, there are some that can be modified to work).

https://discord.com/channels/1345870367956271104/1453168948140052520 is better if u join the discord cuz it has each stage individually linked as well

[drifting prairie]

i found it on their discord, thanks! i lowkey take 2 attempts on a lo of bosky stages, so this is helpful

[royal swan]

Some stages do need 2 attempts with just raidian and amiya but other operators can make it so that u do it in one

[drifting prairie]

im just glad i dont have to worry about any Is anymore until 7, they're all done

[royal swan]

6 is not done lmao

There's more levels added every month and dlc2 eventually

And deep exploration once the monthly stuff ends

[hexed adder]

Could be cn server

but like IS never done if u enjoy it

[drifting prairie]

yeah theres still some battle pass updates left, but the most difficult part of it was maxing raiden out

[hexed adder]

Can be casual too

[royal swan]

They added someone else above so unlikely

[hexed adder]

Its concluded already in CN, for now atleast

[thick dock]

is the 4 main story drop useless?

[royal swan]

What drop does this refer to

[drifting prairie]

they unlock the side stories in chapter 16, other than that i dont think they do anything?

[thick dock]

side stories? ok but i still have them, i guess that means i need to unlock story?

[drifting prairie]

they stay in your inventory even after unlocking

[royal swan]

If you've already unlocked eg7-10 then ur good

https://youtu.be/Dsn6bFZJ6pY

If not follow this

[thick dock]

is furniture worthless

[drifting prairie]

no, having furniture to reach 5000 ambiance will decrease operator recovery time in base

[thick dock]

also are we getting these farm soon?

[thick dock]

i mean for this event

[winter crystal]

check all future farmable mats in #bot-spam and plan

[abstract mauve]

hi chat, anyone have a list of what the new is6 squads do?

[manic hazel]

Guys does emergency ops give more bonuses in is or no

[abstract mauve]

yes. more command level xp and a guaranteed collectible. in is5 some combats have 1 more plan available

i think they give a tiny bit more ingots but im not too sure on that

[woeful mesa]

In IS modes, artifacts that give "Summon Attack/HP/Def buffs" apply to all operators summons, or only strictly summoner class summons you place down manually?

Or does things like Typewriter, Puppets, Rosmantis blocker, Wis'adells rement summons, Rays Sandbeasts, etc etc also get affected?

[limpid yarrow]

usually applies to other types of summons

[robust thistle]

all summons

[woeful mesa]

Very very interesting

[limpid yarrow]

xp, ingots, relics
and then depending on which IS you have more tongbao or folds or plans or thoughts or

[coarse portal]

i just got ray, is she a better marksman than my typhon?

[abstract mauve]

yes

[robust thistle]

different uses, in a vacuum yes shes better

[limpid yarrow]

the question many were asking so long ago 💀

[woeful mesa]

Yeee, most operators have very different uses, espescally when doing direct 6 star comparisons.

The answer will almost always matter based on what the rest of ones team looks like, outside of all around good/generalist ops

[cursive maple]

tragodia is good for any squad nonetheless

[lyric lagoon]

“very different uses” when we can just boil down most dps ops into damage types and consistency of damage

[woeful mesa]

BTW, am I just seeing things wrong, or does Executer's alt hit air units with his skill 1? Hard to tell from the few stages I've tested if its him or other units.

Figured to ask since there are a few units whos skills change targeting priority beyond what normal ops of their type does. Like Wis'adells skill 3 hitting air units when all other skills don't and flingers don't normally hit air units. (And it does not say it in the skill description)

[robust thistle]

no reapers dont hit air

[woeful mesa]

Flingers don't hit air units either but Wis'adel does xD

[split sphinx]

there are no bad operators, just bad doctors typa vibes

[abstract mauve]

i mean entelechia s2 can hit air with a little bit of help

[limpid yarrow]

same for rosmontis actually

"blocked enemies" includes "blocked by a floating contrail"

[pale tapir]

leizi alt can't block air can she

[limpid yarrow]

so she's floating, which should let her block air
but liberators are block 0 off skill 💀

[woeful mesa]

Oh that is really interesting! I never even thought to test Contrail with Rosmantis

[hexed adder]

She cant, forced trait

[pale tapir]

yea rip

[woeful mesa]

Are there any other weird interactions like these, or other stuff that isn't nessesarily documented in game as how a skill works but it does. (Like Wis'adells Skill 3 hitting air not being mentioned in the skill itself)

[formal shadow]

yeah that happens with a lot of things

[royal swan]

Mlynar s3 and leizi alt s2 hit air despite the skill not mentioning that it does and despite other liberator guards not being able to hit air

[formal shadow]

it's not mentioned anywhere but all the R6 ops can hit air, even the ones with archetypes that wouldn't normally be able to :ya:

[woeful mesa]

Oh yeah! I forgot about that when an Ex was testing them

[formal shadow]

It doesn't mention it but shalem s2, asbestos s2, and hoshialt s3 hits air. I could go on for a while with a bunch of these random unmentioned stuff

[hexed adder]

Oh you mean anomaly, smt like Vendela can hit her blocked enemy from behind, while other ranged ops with similar range cant

[formal shadow]

that's a weird one

[hexed adder]

Only her with that range that doesn't have blind spot (probably has smt to do with her initial design who knows)

[woeful mesa]

Yeah! Love these weird little facts that are good to know but otherwise undocumented

[formal shadow]

there's gravel and beehunter whose normal attacks are actually double hits instead of a single one

-# people liked to meme beehunter and the CV vents

[woeful mesa]

Oh! Is beehunter the only brawler with a double hit?

I assumed it was just a brawler thing

[hexed adder]

On normal atk ye, only her and gravel

[stone karma]

https://www.krooster.com/u/foldgish any good base slaves here?

[formal shadow]

no bryophyta 🥀

[woeful mesa]

BTW, probably last question from me tonight. I've been using Techno a lot since getting her. Just messing around in IS.

I don't know if I'm just not used to normal skill charge without some boost from allies, or if her skill 2 seems to charge slower than it should?

Like, I know its only 35 seconds, but it feels so much longer than other auto charge skills for some reason

[stone karma]

hes e2?

[formal shadow]

oh stupid me I filtered already raised ones out

I'm not seeing any standouts in the unraised

[hexed adder]

E1 perfumer, and maybe e1 totter. If u lack workers

[stone karma]

any 5 stars i should e2?

[formal shadow]

you could greyyalter though idk if you'd run automation without eunectes (he's at least solid 5*)

[hexed adder]

If u have waiifu, aroma would be nice. Just save ur resources tbh

Ur lemon even having wrong mastery

[light latch]

e1 haze and gitano

[slim tusk]

why haze

[hexed adder]

If i have to, e1 suss would be nice. But u don't have to

[light latch]

Cheap 30% tp worker

[formal shadow]

🚮

[hexed adder]

She stay in gold, not tp

[slim tusk]

30% gold is more valuable

[stone karma]

what does e1 perfumer give?

[hexed adder]

25% fac

[stone karma]

e1 totter?

[drifting mesa]

moutain module, dodge or aspd

[hexed adder]

Almost same, its just after 12hrs. Only do it if u lack of workers (he is quite nice unit tbh, no worker reason also fine)

[stone karma]

damn i already leveled up all the good base slaves?

[ancient belfry]

Ines, Proviso, Ascalon, Mountain.

Who to E2 in order? cos lmd

[formal shadow]

I mean if you are really in the spending mood...

[stone karma]

proviso, ines, ascalon, mountain in my opinion

[formal shadow]

proviso would solve your LMD problem :ya:

[hexed adder]

The cheap one yea
Just, e1 perfurmer then u are done. Dont bother aroma without waaifu. Or dont bother at all

[ancient belfry]

arigathankss minna

[light latch]

depends on how u define good

Theres ops with better skills but they need e2

[ancient belfry]

How long before ROI?💸

[stone karma]

i dont mind e2

i already have a good team, no need to save resources

[formal shadow]

I don't calculate roi I just know she has one of the shortest for higher rarity base slaves

[ancient belfry]

Say after using Krooster to import my roster, I then changed my password and log out all my accounts using the Yostar webpage, will that change my token log-in so it's inaccessible again?

[rustic pecan]

Why do we e2 proviso again?

[inland osprey]

any module to prio for these ops? (chalter already got her module)

[stone karma]

lmd

[ancient belfry]

Level 2 TP lmd

proc default trade from 3 to 4

[light latch]

e2 viviana, ashlock and wildmane then

[royal swan]

170 days iirc

[keen scarab]

Best lmd printer

[stone karma]

she prints out lmd at insane speeds

[rustic pecan]

Thank you so much

Who do I pair her with

[formal shadow]

whoever is your highest tp%

[ancient lintel]

Do you like ?
If not then dont bother about her, simple

[ancient belfry]

how bad is 40k average income per day from base?

[formal shadow]

a bit low

[stone karma]

whats viviana for?

[formal shadow]

pinus combo

[light latch]

She gives +7% factory to knight ops while in cc, so gravel + the other 2

[stone karma]

wont my overall production go down if i get rid of mont3r for her?

[formal shadow]

who's in your cc?

[heady moon]

Do i just yolo this? All the other tags are meh right?

[stone karma]

cc team 1: amiya, lava alter, kroos alter, mont3r, hibi alter
cc team 2: ave mujica squad

[formal shadow]

idk about ashlock/wildmane without flametail that's not a big increase for the e2 cost

[hexed adder]

Caster better than Yolo, do u have any of them?

[light latch]

why remove mon3tr and not one of the alters

[heady moon]

I have ifrit and ceobe the other 2 are not good

[stone karma]

wont the fac skills not stack?

[hexed adder]

Hopefully not assenger, id still do it for certs but its up to you

[heady moon]

I see

[formal shadow]

it'll stack, vivi skill isn't the same

[light latch]

They are not the same skill

[nimble kite]

You forgot the birb thighs

[stone karma]

oh

[formal shadow]

they don't have fartooth though

[stone karma]

would gravel work?

[blazing laurel]

mod x or mod y for Ascalon

[hexed adder]

X lv1

[nimble kite]

X lv1

[blazing laurel]

why lv1

[nimble kite]

Yes.

[formal shadow]

gravel is in fact considered a knight

[nimble kite]

Because Y sucks ass and two other level upgrades are not worth cost VS efficiency.

[blazing laurel]

ok thank you

[light latch]

lvl 2-3 is a 3% atk per second increase for 220k lmd and a bunch of mats

[hexed adder]

U only want to maximize her -mspdx which is 85.28% with S2m3 modX trait change. Upgrade just meh

[ancient belfry]

is spending orig prime for sanity worth it to farm LMD quickly? or I should just touch grass and lawn my mow?

[light latch]

absolutely not

[wheat saddle]

currently picking for new voucher and trying to decide who to grab since my account's aged a bit, considering who I've got what do you guys think would be better between surtr and eyjafjalla for it? https://www.krooster.com/u/plush-celery-moose-61zg

[tawdry aurora]

Is Lumen solid healer?

[cinder stag]

whats the guide for the rebuilding a mandate event? still havent done anything on it

why the grave?

[hexed adder]

Just try max all farm stages and do all of stages. Grab as many as u could

[light latch]

Event is timegated

[robust thistle]

you'll probably clear like 10 levels and thats it

[cinder stag]

ohhhh... damn i did know that

nowhere did it say that anyways

[robust thistle]

technically its not timegated, you can manually farm it

[rain forge]

he’s ass don’t build him

[robust thistle]

but good luck doing that

[stone karma]

just checks and pinus is exp.... i cant have lv3 exp fact since i start bleeding gold due to proviso

[cinder stag]

if its just the first 10 levels i'll skip it ig, no point in doing so for minimal rewards

[rain forge]

the event ends in like 7 hours good luck

[stone karma]

and dumb past me got a lvl three office..

[light latch]

If u spend the entire rest of the time the event is active farming stages nonstop u still wouldnt be able to max it from scratch right now

[ancient belfry]

Tequila is only usable in TP if shamare is E2 as well right?
So E2 prio
Proviso-Shamare-Ines-Ascalon-Mountain?

[rain forge]

Don’t e2 mountain and yeah

[cinder stag]

anyways, thanks!

[stone karma]

why is aroma bad without waai fu?

[light latch]

If you somehow filled the points bar in a stage and then forcequit the stage to restart every 3 minutes you’d be only getting 16k pts/hr + 3.2k from passive gen

[robust thistle]

morale penalty

[stone karma]

oh yea fair enough

[copper oracle]

hi chat whats cooking

[stone karma]

any way to get waai fu fast?

[robust thistle]

anniv selector

[nimble kite]

Event is gonna end today.

That's why the grave.

[stone karma]

is silver ash alter banner anni?

[robust thistle]

no

[stone karma]

damn.

[nimble kite]

Our anni is on the winter.

[copper oracle]

no thats CN anni

[stone karma]

il just save resources for pram alter in that case

[abstract mauve]

hi chat. who do i send?

[stone karma]

is this is4?

[abstract mauve]

ye

i have barometric 1 if that's a factor

[stone karma]

i have never played is4

i cannot say anything here lol

[royal swan]

Gladiia ig?

[abstract mauve]

@copper oracle do you play is4. does this comp have any chance if i run into ed1a?

[copper oracle]

gladia can tank boss relicless

[abstract mauve]

[copper oracle]

whos ur spooder solution tho

standard comps take like zuole for left but idk who can cosplay zuole in welfare

[abstract mauve]

does gladiia work

[copper oracle]

need dmg relics

[abstract mauve]

i have 2 sing foldartals

[copper oracle]

maybe thats fine

[abstract mauve]

plus peek into eternal night and cylinder if that applies to gladiia

[copper oracle]

right side blender outstats as long as he doesnt get frozen :pepega:

[hidden wolf]

Does mont3r have to always go with kal sit

[abstract mauve]

😭

[copper oracle]

the problem is now how to kill the 70k hp elites 💀

[abstract mauve]

good question

i think the angle here is to pray i dont roll ed1a

[copper oracle]

1k def 70k hp elite spam

[wispy jolt]

The summon? Yes cuz she cant use skills without it

[copper oracle]

do u have any cold welfares to abuse stgage mechanics lol

[abstract mauve]

kjera lol

[copper oracle]

u need like gnosis or smthing 💀

[abstract mauve]

man

[copper oracle]

gnosis even before mod was very good for this stage coz of the mechanics

idk dawg jus highroll dmg or smthing 💀

[abstract mauve]

no need to worry, i won the gamble 🗣️

and just like that my chances of beating d14 went up from like 5% to 95%

i do actually need a strat for it tho. like even considering highroll. cuz idk how you'd even open here

actually, if you have the low op for it when ed1a first released

[copper oracle]

u cant copy it, its just yato abuse :joyplush:

ur right ur ice clearers suck cos they have 70k hp as well :pepega:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MF4m1L7yz/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=750fd1f4919fe5115dbb99abde88a06e
first clear 6op

its like gnsois degen right side
zuo left

gnossusy so op for this stage

[cinder coral]

Any info if we will get the next event right away or if there will be a dead week?

[severe crypt]

Not yet

[robust thistle]

we dont know

[lament loom]

@coarse notch ty for ur help, I did overkill on IS5 ED2 lmao

(it was low diff tbf)

Attack speed true dmg from Kalstit S3 and Mon3tr S3 go brrrr

[abstract mauve]

actually cooked gnosis usage

[copper oracle]

bro right

[robust thistle]

do you draft steward if you do gnosis stuff

[green anvil]

hey guys i wanna ask how good is beanstalk? i kinda wanna build her for is

[robust thistle]

decent IS starter draft

one of the better options in IS5 because IS5 hates melee ops

[copper oracle]

at most u draft sa

[robust thistle]

s1?

[copper oracle]

yea or sa2 s2

[robust thistle]

makes sense

[jade sentinel]

is this worth buying

[copper oracle]

the cold freeze uptime is good on sa s1

[green anvil]

i'm still lookin to learn how to use her so i'm still considering rn

[light latch]

Her crab is a good way to bait enemy atks

[limpid yarrow]

“hates melee ops” but so many guards are top drafts

the one that hates melee is IS3 and its broodmothers

[limpid yarrow]

e1 max is enough, decent vanguard pick in 5 and 6

[karmic pivot]

is this daily lmd production good?

[robust thistle]

I dont see anyone aside from hoe is a top draft really
even then hoe is more of a cheese situation

[hexed adder]

He probably guardknights player

[coarse notch]

nah theres an entire squad that runs sash/mlynar/leizialt/ulpi/hoe/qb etc

[mellow fossil]

is the most efficient way of buying primes for skin just buying them straight

[robust thistle]

I think thats just called gvg

[hexed adder]

It doesn't mean top draft tbh. But yea i can see that

[limpid yarrow]

the guards are all crazy both in and out of vgg

[coarse notch]

you can also take them in talon squads and sescort

[limpid yarrow]

ya non lamps love guard vouchers because they’re too valuable

[nimble kite]

Yeah. That's good.

[karmic pivot]

alr, thanks

[robust thistle]

theyre good, but in no way are top draft really considering we have lamp

[limpid yarrow]

and guard also has the best non hand units(hoe qb mlynar sakiko)

[past wagon]

qn: is it impossible to complete "Reach 4000 ambience in at least 1 dorm?" while doing 252?

[robust thistle]

if we're going like offmeta because IS5 is a joke because lamp made it too easy then anything kinda goes

[robust thistle]

you upgrade the dorm to lv4, then downgrade it again

[coarse notch]

i mean lamp doesnt mean guards are bad
cn vastly prefers lamp vgg over flingers

[mellow fossil]

upgrade, complete, downgrade

[robust thistle]

no I didnt say theyre bad

[past wagon]

wait, you can downgrade dorms? Didn't know that. :v

[robust thistle]

only right side

[coarse notch]

you said that is5 hates melee ops

[robust thistle]

yes, I didnt say guards are bad

[coarse notch]

how does it hate melee ops then

[urban sleet]

-# technically hoederer is the only "melee" op there, rest have ranged attacks

[robust thistle]

general statchecking, necrosis area, other ranged threats, plus this is in context of beanstalk draft as starter

[hexed adder]

Og context was Beanstalk draft

[robust thistle]

I like it when I say "I like pancakes" and people hear "I hate waffles"

[urban sleet]

Also qb still used? even if you spawn an ethan?

[hexed adder]

And dude come just have everything

[limpid yarrow]

sometimes the game decides you get zero specialist vouchers actually

[urban sleet]

so if you get ethan no need for qb, gotcha

[carmine trout]

hi am i too late for this event

[robust thistle]

yes

[urban sleet]

🥀 just get as much as you can

[carmine trout]

gg

[severe crypt]

It was such a good gamemode too 🥀 🥀 🥀

[alpine lance]

You could try going manual spam and maybe get the skin, but not much hope

[coarse notch]

i mean this isnt really true when sash + ulpi can easily duo all five floors
necrosis area is easily controllable
gummy/hoederer arent shut down by necrosis either
the statchecking only begins when you meet the bosses at which point you should've scaled to the heavens

[robust thistle]

I dont think they can get the skin

[limpid yarrow]

get the free stuff still

[carmine trout]

I'll just ignore it's existence then

[severe crypt]

No human is actually gonna manual spam to skin methinks

[limpid yarrow]

sanity free material is sanity free material
even just a couple books or whatever

[hexed adder]

U can still grab a lot stuff

[urban sleet]

.

[carmine trout]

i have class today anyways and it ends in 5 hours

[severe crypt]

At least you’ll be there for a possible rm2? 🥹

[robust thistle]

in general most of this comes with like experience and skill, I'm talking from the perspective of the 'common folk'

[carmine trout]

whats rm2

[coarse notch]

i just dont think is5 is particularly hostile to melee units
like you could make the same argument for how the default criteria in is4 for melee ops is "do they fold to champions"

[severe crypt]

Just a hypothetical second iteration of this gamemode in the future

[robust thistle]

dude the context is beanstalk draft

[green anvil]

did i legit started at freaking war?

[coarse notch]

the beanstalk draft has nothign to do with melee unit hostility tho

[hexed adder]

U probably will have time b4 daily reset, just grab stuff there

[severe crypt]

Welcome to #help

[robust thistle]

it has something to do with melee hostility

[coarse notch]

it really doesnt, its used in is5 because typical beanstalk starting squads lack ground presence

[robust thistle]

they asked if beanstalk is a good draft, meaning they dont have a lot of experience in IS, therefore susceptible to IS5 generic gimmicks

[abstract mauve]

fellas, are is4 champions even that scary :clueless:

[hexed adder]

Its fine, daily routine. Argue over simple matters

[lunar apex]

what are we arguing about

[robust thistle]

I dont wanna drag this further, fine
I was wrong you are right

[green anvil]

btw is my base slave all checked out? https://www.krooster.com/u/nick

i still dunno how should i place them together on tp and fac;-;

[robust thistle]

the blue skill goes to the blue facility

I dont see how that's any harder than putting the square into the square hole

[abstract mauve]

i feel like the intricacies of whether or not beanstalk is a good draft stop mattering past the first floor

[green anvil]

well yea but idk how should to make them work together like in some guide?

[robust thistle]

/baseskills, theres an excel sheet here