help

[haughty silo]

is max lvl logos used s1m3 and has maxed delta mod, can it one shot everything? what's the average health elite enemies and boss has?

[signal dragon]

S1 is usually just for trash mobs
S3 is his best skill

[wind storm]

If logos 1 shotted everything, he would be more popular then waltuh

[safe tundra]

oneshot is an ultra overstatement but he deals bunch of damage

[ivory terrace]

in order for logos to "one-shot" from full health most things, he will need so much atk buff u can't rly get

[red crane]

normal enemies have probably several thousand; elites are around 10k; bosses are dozens or hundreds of thousands
VERY rough numbers

[haughty silo]

so it's s1 best used at stage that doesn't have elite and boss right?

[fathom nest]

You can still use it for those

[wind storm]

Its for low hp dog spam

[red crane]

s1 is excellent afk skill

[safe tundra]

s1 and s3 logos is merely afkslop to active gameplay pipeline

[fathom nest]

Gets outclassed by Pramalt in a little while

[haughty silo]

I've seen a videos where s1 logos one shot some bosses in YouTube idk who the boss is but there's some sort of barrier around it and it just got one shotted

[stray gust]

the execute cutoff for logos is 2484 and 2565 at pot4

[wind storm]

U sure it was logos and not ebenballz?

[red crane]

s3 is burst damage and unique stop-enemy-projectile support, not afk

[signal dragon]

oh that was a meme that abused the event mechanic
dw about it

[plush falcon]

It was from zwilingsturme rerun that time because of the event mechanic

[fathom nest]

Which has been patched out

Sadly

[haughty silo]

ooooh okay thanks guys

[safe tundra]

why did you just repeat my words

[wind storm]

But if you want boss one tap potential, try out eben or tchanka

[ivory terrace]

remind me how did logos s1 interact with those hit count mobs in IW for example

[red crane]

s3 isn't afk

[stray gust]

tachanka. one tap.

[safe tundra]

i didnt say it is

[wind storm]

Well you tap the skill one

[slim tusk]

1 dmg

[stray gust]

I think conviction has better one tap than tachanka.

[ivory terrace]

constant 1 damage?

[wind storm]

Idk bro i used blemechi strat on prts 🥹

[slim tusk]

logos s1 is pretty bad for hit count

[tiny abyss]

Execute is 1 hit of one krillion dmg, furniture passsive reduces every hit to 1 dmg

[red crane]

Oh, I see. I had to go back and reread it. The way you phrased it wasn't all that clear to me.
s1 andto s3 is afk -> active

[stray gust]

if you want hit count, use exusiai s3

[ivory terrace]

still tapers off hard to def

[safe tundra]

obv that the active gameplay skill is ultimately stronger than afk skill but audiences dont like to read nor play

hence the sakiko s2m3 :imdone:

[formal shadow]

:aintnoway:

[safe tundra]

anyway shorely the potential man can outdo ascalon in hitcount

[zealous ingot]

which eyja module is better?

[signal dragon]

which eyja

[ivory terrace]

eyja1 i say X

[spice patrol]

Is it possible to get 10 goldcert in 9 days?

[safe tundra]

i didnt even notice eyja got the second

[zealous ingot]

ya first eyja th

[ivory terrace]

idk how much difference CN's eyjaberry Y mod is making against X

[signal dragon]

recruitment everyday

[safe tundra]

and it seems to be a s3 jumpstarter for her helidrop nuke gameplay but idk if that contributes damage

[fathom nest]

1 sp when hitting elites/bosses sounds good until you realize she loses 10 res ignore and the atk boosts

[ivory terrace]

consistent 15 aspd even during skill
that shld do smth. assuming u helidrop right on elite/boss

[safe tundra]

needs comparison tbh

[dusty zenith]

Which logos module is worth getting

[ivory terrace]

delta

[signal dragon]

delta

[fathom nest]

How often are you even using Eyja s3 anymore, either way?

[ivory terrace]

these days my eyja is just there to hand buff logos

[safe tundra]

i certainly dont use s2 when i do bring her thats for sure

[stray gust]

welp the new module should be better for eyja s3, aside from the 10 res ignore loss.

[safe tundra]

so fucking glad i didnt s2m3

[fathom nest]

[safe tundra]

because i often do lowop so when that doesnt work i can supplement eyja s3 nuke

[ivory terrace]

also assumes ideal condition of helidropping her on elite
mod3 and she RNG gain only minimum of 5 or 6 aspd is

[fathom nest]

I'm sure you're dropping her around an elite to gain full benefits every time

SURELY

[safe tundra]

now if only i dont mistake a mob for an elite :glueless:

-# mobs nowadays can look supercharged

[ivory terrace]

or if eyja dun die of cringe right after deploy to ranged attack due to deploy order

[onyx mango]

Eyja in big 26 damn

[fathom nest]

We did get a selector recently

[safe tundra]

shorely since she gains max SP a single friston can stagger

[fathom nest]

A lot of newbies have her

[smoky lynx]

I need #help

[abstract mauve]

we're here for you

[smoky lynx]

Thanks guys.. 😭

[safe tundra]

well.. go on

[abstract mauve]

it's ok. you can get through this

[smoky lynx]

I sure hope so..

[onyx mango]

Inb4 do not pull kernel

[smoky lynx]

So ehem idk how logos and thorns alter works so I wanna know it more so I'd know when to use them yk yk

Their mechanics skills and stuff I do not understand

[safe tundra]

logos is pretty straightforward

[stray gust]

the "no melding since max sp gain" part is good for her s3, along with aspd buff that is way less diluted than %att buff that goes on top of s3 %att buff.

[zinc storm]

is there any other reason to pick arc-y mod for pozy outside of ideal city

[onyx mango]

Logos is just deploy>activate skill>deactivate brain

[lyric lagoon]

logos -> big arts dmg when s3 and can deal elemental necrosis damage with delta module

thorns alt -> lowk don’t use

[smoky lynx]

Okay I got logos and S3 is the one I should upgrade right?

[abstract mauve]

phantom in is2. also you can stop at mod1 and it works fine but if you are willing to invest more then her other mod is better

[smoky lynx]

Then what about thorns

[onyx mango]

Better not use him

[smoky lynx]

I mean I wanna what he does exactly

[red crane]

s1 for afk, s3 for big damage burst

[stray gust]

alchemist is a weird archetype where no one discover their ceiling yet. (or the ceiling is too low that people thought there is still undiscovered ceiling)

[lyric lagoon]

if you HAVE to use thorns, s2 = spawns ball that emits an aoe, every enemy in aoe takes damage and every ally in aoe heals (this can also heal summons and such)

[ivory terrace]

any fool with dodge ignore lol

[abstract mauve]

alchemist is really not that deep

[lyric lagoon]

s3 is very map dependent and not very reliable

[smoky lynx]

He doesn't do much does he..

[safe tundra]

first of all alchemists throws balls at enemies to do their skills.
now thorns can either HP regen allies, deal arts damage DoT or DEF+RES shred but hes mid at every single one of these niche

[abstract mauve]

s3 deals DoT as well

[zinc storm]

tbh how many enemies have they released recently that have dodge

[smoky lynx]

Well thorns the guard is more useful

[silver smelt]

Not exactly

[onyx mango]

Both irrelevant

[slim tusk]

eh thorns guard is worse but he is afk

[smoky lynx]

They should buff him or something idk I like the character

[silver smelt]

Thorns guard is worse because there a bazillion replacements for straight dps
Thornsalt is a sort of role compression metaniche

[lyric lagoon]

this is some real thorns1 kyo afk guide brainrot

[proven kelp]

Thorns2 atleast is a decent regen healer

Thorns1 is just worthless

[eager totem]

yo…camouflage grants immunity to talisman??

[ivory terrace]

sakiko could work as swap in

[fathom nest]

-# too bad I can't post the n*th image

[smoky lynx]

Uh what exactly is elemental necrosis damage ..

[silver smelt]

I mean yea if enemy can't target you how attack

[stray gust]

swap in? you nean better replacement?

[smoky lynx]

Socks?

[red crane]

Thorns1 s3 is still a decent laneholder.
Sakiko is better, but that doesn't make Thorns1 bad.

[eager totem]

thought it just rides on u no matter what as long as the tile overlaps

[fathom nest]

Yes?

[abstract mauve]

you'd have to lower your standards but sure ye

[eager totem]

candleguest promoted via combat means the lightning strike thing?

[smoky lynx]

I like thorns thats why I got both of him ig I'll just thorns S3 max and keep the alter to skill 7

[fathom nest]

Introduces any enemy with over 500 def:

[lyric lagoon]

elemental damage - damage type that like 2 or 3 enemies in the game have any resistance to
necrosis - one of the elemental dmg types

[abstract mauve]

face-off also counts. the tongbao counts as well. i think you're talking about the pathfinder one that also counts

[onyx mango]

Isn't that like, standard nowadays?

[ivory terrace]

elemental injury is the circle buildup, like necrosis
actual pop damage is called elemental damage

[red crane]

It's not "lower standards"; it's just that it seems that "bad" on this server simply means "not as good as the latest/best."

[fathom nest]

Way over, yeah

[onyx mango]

Yea he cooked

[sudden bramble]

Alr yall can be brutally honest, do i even have a chance agains't this shit?

[ivory terrace]

low rarity guides exist

[fathom nest]

The stage is piss easy

[lyric lagoon]

that or wisadel solo, hoshiguma borrow, bubble + jaye, etc.

[abstract mauve]

i mean i think he's still holds up but he's far from good. to some people that's enough to label him as bad

[silver smelt]

Brain check stage

[coarse notch]

the issue is that even though general content difficulty creep has been quite slow, higher end content difficulty demands much more from your operators
as such, previously decent operators like thorns struggle more
i dont think many people here would straight up call thorns bad, hes simply outdated with a ton of options to replace him

[tiny chasm]

an elemental damage that is procced by a few operator and it makes them take 800 elemental damage over 15 seconds for 12k elemental damage.

[lyric lagoon]

decel bind bait, global bait, just bricking the bear, etc. there’s a lot of solutions

[silver smelt]

No, he's just bad. Like compared to other dps lanehold it's orders of magnitude worse

[coarse notch]

since new players have access to increasingly more powerful operators to start with, it just doesnt make sense to recommend him

[red crane]

Thorns's elemental module exists...

[abstract mauve]

most people here would call thorns bad
i dont really care about that. strictly speaking i dont think he's on the better end of 6* so i wouldnt call him "good" or "pretty decent"

[silver smelt]

Also takes 10 billion years to proc

[coarse notch]

you do realize that applies elemental injury based on damage dealt

[tiny abyss]

He deals elem injury based on his damage dealt

[lyric lagoon]

there’s no way we’re taking THAT into account

[onyx mango]

Now how does he proc it?

[ivory terrace]

eternity to wail on ppl
without trag

[abstract mauve]

the elemental damage mod gets fucked over harder by defense. literally does nothing if he cant deal damage already

[silver smelt]

They really shafted him with that one
Yeah let's give the unit with 0 dmg true damage that he can only proc by doing more than 0 dmg

[ancient lintel]

I dont think 10% of 5% of thorn's atk is gonna help procing that shi bruh...

[royal swan]

It's his worse module

Good/Bad is relative to other 6*, OG thorns power level wise is on the lower end of the current 6 star pool

[abstract mauve]

what does on the lower end mean?
like lower 50%?

[coarse notch]

dang
im similar to you, hes not good at all, but hes functional enough to where i hesitate to dumpster him entirely

[serene ruin]

Is there a specific order to read through all of the story? I know for main story it has some branches, but what about all of the other events? Along with individual operator stories?

[verbal onyx]

Do i need Reed alter? Well i just realize i have a little bit arts dealer in my rooster if i can balance it its more safe

[ancient lintel]

like how long will it take for him to proc nervous? an enternity?

[silver smelt]

among the dedicated dps units hes probably bottom 20%

[robust thistle]

define "need"

[lyric lagoon]

enemies will die from other operators before he can even proc it

[onyx mango]

Like what socks says, the defense standard nowadays is high, so enough to fucked thorns as well

Save to say he's bad bad

[tiny chasm]

I personally like him I use him a lot I bring him everywhere I go. But it is undeniably not strong and is a weaker unit in terms of 6 stars

[silver smelt]

no you dont need more arts in tjat team

[abstract mauve]

would disagree

[ivory terrace]

sakiko can do arts

[still flame]

Guys is mantra good with tragodia?

[coarse notch]

no but reedic is strong enough to where you can just build her anyways for when you want to use her
you shouldnt be pulling or certing her tho

[robust thistle]

because the way I see it, unless you somehow cant kill enemis with that team, you dont "need" anyone

[silver smelt]

Very

[safe tundra]

going full circle with the tierlists;

meta
good
decent
mid < thorns is here
bad

[robust thistle]

I wouldnt say "very" but shes better with him present

[tiny chasm]

elemental nuclear bomb

[verbal onyx]

How about in IS? Is she good?

[still flame]

I should build granny now

[robust thistle]

most of the time with tragodia, the enemies are just half dead or just outright dead by the time NI procs

[fathom nest]

I see 3 decent/good arts options. Any reason you need more?

[lyric lagoon]

get the tragodia one cat impairment pop breakpoint since your team is already really solid

[nimble kite]

She's fine as offrate.

[silver smelt]

Shes situational but when the situation permits she's very good

[coarse notch]

reedic?
no shes not good, she appears as niche solves in is4/6 but thats not relevant at all

[ivory terrace]

breakpoint is only rly for bosses

[robust thistle]

well its a girl and no shes not that good in IS

[tiny chasm]

potentially not high prio if you got other units that are better but whatever ngl you're probably good enough to the point meta is just a second thought

[pseudo flume]

Hoshi2, Haruka and Lapplter is enough Arts tbh

[ivory terrace]

and sakiko

[slim tusk]

why are you counting haruka for arts lul

[coarse notch]

if you have reedic already or get spooked, building her is fine
just dont invest pulls or certs for her

[verbal onyx]

Okay thanks guys i just get her accidently again

[fathom nest]

Bubbles probably

[pseudo flume]

Our old IS4 dreams have crumbled 🥀

[ivory terrace]

she can
not her main job but she can

[robust thistle]

how do you get someone 'accidentally'

[fathom nest]

Got lost in the RM sauce

[onyx mango]

Her shield deals damage

[still flame]

I got logos as a caster as well

[ivory terrace]

even her auto attacks before skill proc

[tiny chasm]

most reliable source of damage for sure

[slim tusk]

it's barely a dmg i won't count it in any capacity

[coarse notch]

she can still help with top left sentinel if you get a billion medic vouchers copium

[nimble kite]

Pull a banner, lol
Like it never happened before

[lyric lagoon]

sounds like off-rate pull

[silver smelt]

The situation in question is just 2 target already puts her comfortably at 300k total damage
And this only scales up infinitely with number of targets
However it falls off on ST(if you consider 200k bad)

[robust thistle]

yeah but theres no good banners

[tiny chasm]

if you don't have him built build him first

[onyx mango]

Nobody's saying it's the most reliable, she just can

Are you delulu?

[pseudo flume]

Bubbles get constantly popped plus if it was on Exu2 it would have been a constant stream of bubbles being reapplied

[nimble kite]

Does he care?

[verbal onyx]

I have my target in head but get her instead so

[robust thistle]

sure then

[tiny chasm]

why would we even begin to think about her as arts dmg when it's unreliable and low at best 😔

[ivory terrace]

it pops on HP drain?

[still flame]

I’m confused to e2 first mantra or logos

[tiny abyss]

Hp drain doesnt pop bubble

[silver smelt]

pretty sure exu2 hp drain doesnt pop bubbles

[tiny chasm]

e2 logos before mantra

[pseudo flume]

It pops when it gets reapplied no?

[robust thistle]

mantra is ass without tragodia, shes decent-good with tragodia
logos is just great by default

[still flame]

Tysm

[silver smelt]

Hp drain is counted as negative hp regen not enemy attack

[pseudo flume]

Im not looking at the hp drain

[quartz imp]

Is the misty city ui theme unobtainable now?

[still flame]

I have tragodia e2

[safe tundra]

can haruka seriously heal but not refresh bubble?

[robust thistle]

read the 2nd sentence

[pseudo flume]

Im testing it smh

[still flame]

Yep I’ll do logos first

[silver smelt]

Can refresh but the prev bubble wont pop

[abstract mauve]

iirc someone said that the mod effect doesn't count towards bubble talent application
so bubble targets 2 but healing targets 3

[onyx mango]

I remembered haruka heals exu and has that popping animation

[tiny chasm]

welp we just sit and wait easy proof afterall

[silver smelt]

#help message

decent-good is understatement tbh

[nimble kite]

Yes.

[robust thistle]

yes I read the message, the fact that you need a partner for her to deal that much damage puts her there

[silver smelt]

I mean you said "with tragodia"
I assume that already puts out clearly the implications of needing said dedicated partner
Not like tragodia is "dedicated" but still

[robust thistle]

yes I count needing a partner as a disadvantage

and thats not considering youre using trag S3 instead of S2

[silver smelt]

s2

[lyric lagoon]

and then there’s the skill cycle desync

[safe tundra]

b-b-but they told me mantra s2 solo sustain herself

[tiny chasm]

it's alright not as good as s3 by any means

[silver smelt]

mantra s2 is mid as fuck dont pull mantra js to use s2

[hybrid halo]

Which skill of leizi alter should I m3?

[coarse notch]

s2

[silver smelt]

thats like pulling sakiko to use s2 and replace thorns

[pulsar bison]

Uh I just started doing the weird mini game, how rough is it to start it this late

[tiny chasm]

2

[ivory terrace]

s2 first

[tiny chasm]

can we give more description? what minigame? the restablish pipline event thing?

[ivory terrace]

rebuilding mandate?

[lyric lagoon]

pretty rough since you need to do some manual grinding if you want all rewards

[pulsar bison]

Yeah rebuilding

[signal dragon]

we have #1480479361885933792, check the pins there
you're gonna want to clear every stage asap and max efficiency

[ivory terrace]

yea, ideally u just afk grind the mats to upgrade in RM

[robust thistle]

idt you can clear the rewards this late

[pulsar bison]

Rip

[signal dragon]

how many days left? 4?

[lyric lagoon]

unless you manual grinding for most of everything

[nimble kite]

Clear as many as possible

[pseudo flume]

The bubbles pop when it gets reapplied

[onyx mango]

For the record
Haruka deals damage when reapplying shield

[red crane]

Why is "mid" not in the middle? Just on a list structure note.

[pseudo flume]

I was not mistaken the first time

[robust thistle]

it takes like 3 days to get outpost+sensor

[tiny chasm]

ig it's settled then nice

[onyx mango]

Yeah, if not have her, don't say anything

[lyric lagoon]

cause it’s mid (derogatory)

[pseudo flume]

That's beside the point, my point was that bubbles can act like some sub-arts dps when being constantly applied on Exu2

[robust thistle]

???

[pulsar bison]

I’ll see what I can, been busy lately

[pseudo flume]

Its not much but it's something

[lyric lagoon]

that doesn’t put her at the level of actual arts dps though

[pulsar bison]

Still have to do endgield stuff too

[silver smelt]

... i guess bro

[robust thistle]

its just like 20 polyprep

[pseudo flume]

Why else did I say "sub"

[onyx mango]

Again, she can not she's the best/reliable/actual dps

[red crane]

Running stages manually can give you the reward mats, so I think it can be done, but will take significant time investment.

[robust thistle]

you'll live without RM rewards

[pseudo flume]

She's just supplementary, the actual arts dps is on Hoshi2 and Lapplter

[left tulip]

Btw out of the 6 stars in the beginner banner, who sucks and who doesn’t?

[lyric lagoon]

if that’s your criteria then you should’ve mentioned vulpis as well

[pseudo flume]

Also Sakiko

[nimble kite]

Bro, say Logos at least, not Lappy.

[red crane]

They're all good for beginners.

[pseudo flume]

I was basing on the squad of the guy that asked if Reedic was needed

[robust thistle]

doesnt matter, you can fix it on day5 anyways

[fathom nest]

SilverAsh and Saria see the most use, even later on. The rest are whatever to terrible (Exu mainly)

[robust thistle]

anyone thats not exy is fine

[nimble kite]

Ah fine

[pseudo flume]

They said they lacked Arts when Sakiko, Lapplter, Hoshi2 and Haruka was in the squad

[silver smelt]

whogaf about arts vs phys anyway

[pale tapir]

silverass > saria > mountain/blaze/thorns > exia imo

[pseudo flume]

Wait since when was that the topic

[nimble kite]

Phys mostly wins. It's easier to bypass with higher final damage than Arts.

[silver smelt]

they were worried abt not having enough arts dps

[pseudo flume]

Oh that, it doesn't matter in Gen Content

[silver smelt]

damage is damage why bother comparing damage type when u can compare the unit themself?

[tiny chasm]

unless it's high end content where you get some stupid numbers physical over arts most of the time

[abstract mauve]

Arts mostly wins because when we get good arts dps we get good arts dps. that just hasnt been the case in years

[wind storm]

Why bother arts when kinetic energy on londinium artillery exist

[fathom nest]

Worried about arts when they had two of the better arts dealers

[silver smelt]

nope

[slim tusk]

it's popped because uh i spotted ranged enemy

[tiny abyss]

Video under it

[slim tusk]

your vid just showing haruka doing dmg when healing exactly as her skill says

[abstract mauve]

hi chat, can someone have haruka healing 3 geeks and see if she reapplies bubble to all 3 at once?

[silver smelt]

in hard content arts/elemental/true dmg wins

[tiny abyss]

No Spuria 😔

[ivory terrace]

no aak

[nimble kite]

Yes all three units. Tho Aak and Spuria underleveled.

[silver smelt]

except buff gamemodes where its up to how hard the unit scales

[tiny chasm]

did i not say "unless"

maybe the grammar was a bit weird but that is what I'm trying to say...

[ivory terrace]

dun rly matter i think
they just need to lose hp naturally for haruharu to heal

[formal shadow]

Aak gaming

[robust thistle]

so how does haruka bubble interact with the spinning ninja on ato again

[silver smelt]

speaking of gencontent we have a new arts dps that has 600+ gencontent records so

[robust thistle]

since they proc s2 damage like 10 times

[lyric lagoon]

we better be seeing aak in top3 most used operators in icebreakers 2

[tiny chasm]

if its wang then alright

[coarse notch]

renowned skillless gamer pramalter

[silver smelt]

tjis is just to say, dmg type doesnt matter

[fathom nest]

The talent text is a bit misleading on Haruka, too. The bubble is popping because Exu is taking damage, not because the bubble is being reapplied

[tiny chasm]

most lazily designed operator wins again 😔

[ivory terrace]

or is that the effect of s2

[fathom nest]

From prts

[slim tusk]

anyhow tldr haruka "Art dps" is very reactive,low and unreliable

[silver smelt]

would you rather everyone have weakness damage so now it REALLY doesnt matter

[tiny abyss]

Can bubble tank more hit within the .5 secs or is it only the first hit

[fathom nest]

My guess is the loss of health from geek is coded so it counts as taking damage from an enemy

[formal shadow]

it in fact does not

[tiny abyss]

Erm sp when hit doesnt work in IS tho so Idk

[fathom nest]

You sure?

[formal shadow]

want me to test it because it shouldn't be popping

[slate ridge]

it wont pop

[fathom nest]

If you don't mind

[pseudo flume]

It doesn't pop just like poison fog

[silver smelt]

Geek isnt coded as enemy hit
It's negative hp regen

[formal shadow]

same for fia as well

[eager totem]

https://www.krooster.com/u/miau
whaT do i raise now🧌

[ivory terrace]

they updated it so it can't kill now

[silver smelt]

It doesn't pop bubbles

[karmic urchin]

are these items permanent like a perk or something?

[ivory terrace]

secret stage items?

[tiny chasm]

you get to read with those

[formal shadow]

here you go bubble not popping

[fathom nest]

Interesting, thanks

[ivory terrace]

me think it need animation

[pseudo flume]

Needs movement

[formal shadow]

one moment

[fathom nest]

Doesn't need to be a video lol

[pseudo flume]

[fathom nest]

She's not healing, so not reapplying the bubble

[robust thistle]

Doesnt pop

[fathom nest]

Little slow there kerf

[formal shadow]

she reapplies the bubble even off-skill

[robust thistle]

ono

[fathom nest]

Only once it pops though

[thin grotto]

hi I got top op with medic, ranged, shift and dps which one should I pick

[ancient lintel]

shift for weedy I guess

[signal dragon]

medic is Ng gamble
shift is weedy

[thin grotto]

i’ve got weedy tho

[ancient lintel]

range to gamble for the other good options

[fathom nest]

Medic for Nightingale chance?

[thin grotto]

alr ill try medic

[ivory terrace]

too early for kalt recruit

[formal shadow]

I did a recording anyways

[thin grotto]

Ty all

[signal dragon]

wtf suzu has dps tag?

[robust thistle]

ranged to gamble for the other good options as if half of ranged isnt ass

[slate ridge]

Suzu has dps due to S2

[formal shadow]

I just realized I screwed up the ratio

[ivory terrace]

ya
she has same tags as mag

[fathom nest]

A bit out of options but ig Muel, Hoe, or Surtr could be next

[robust thistle]

so does haruka deal damage when she reapplies bubble or when bubble takes damage

[fathom nest]

Seems to be both

[robust thistle]

[fathom nest]

Reapplication pops bubble

[lethal chasm]

What I choose?

[fathom nest]

Yolo or defender/defense+healing for Nearl

[robust thistle]

if you somehow dont have ptilo and silence, SO+healing

or just solo SO

[fathom nest]

1/7 is painful

Well, 2

[left tulip]

Btw tragodia being standard, considering that I have mantra alr, how difficult is it to get him and should I consider it

[robust thistle]

how do you feel on having like 0.2% chance

[fathom nest]

Wouldn't be able to target him so consider it impossible

[ivory terrace]

without rateup, super rare

[signal dragon]

he has a rerun later this year just wait

[lethal chasm]

Alright I'll just choose SO by itself

[ivory terrace]

s2 text specifically say when she heal

[robust thistle]

so how does that interact with her murdering the spinning ninjas on ato

[slim tusk]

i only know the ninja murdered her

[lethal chasm]

I got meteorite from SO recruit, good or eh

[slim tusk]

eh

[ivory terrace]

prob twice?
bubble pop > talent 2 heal > s2 damage
haru auto atk heal on s2 > s2 damage > apply bubble

[robust thistle]

it does like 5x damage proc on the ninjas somehow

[hoary ruin]

Keep saving until SA2 banner, you might get spooked by trag when you do pulls on that.

Otherwise he might be on an orienteering banner after SA2's banner, unless we get a different set of OPs than CN got.

[ivory terrace]

or better to wait for trag rerun for 50% rateup

[hoary ruin]

How long ago did Trag get his rerun on CN?

[tiny abyss]

Has he

[slate ridge]

never ?

[proven kelp]

He haven't

[hoary ruin]

: / darn

[ivory terrace]

not yet in CN
maybe couple more months

[signal dragon]

rerun is a year after initial event, so towards the end of the year for us

[hoary ruin]

mmmmm noted.

[lethal chasm]

What skill do I use for ulpianus again?

[coarse notch]

s3

[slate ridge]

not 1 prob

[slim tusk]

b-but shift

[lethal chasm]

and then m3 right?

[ivory terrace]

oh yee lets use ulpi s1 to pull cs into hole for .exe video

[lethal chasm]

I'd say my team so far is looking pretty delicious lol

[past wagon]

heeee finally past 4-7 and all the explodeybugs, though still working my way though upgrading all the rooms to get final base upgrade... I assuming it's not worth spending sanity to rush drone refills?

[signal dragon]

never spend sanity for drones
just stock up on building mats so you can upgrade whenever drones recharge

[ivory terrace]

maybe not when u r basically just left with control centre lv5 and another dorm

[past wagon]

I'm just waiting on drones to finish upgrading my last 3 factories. guess could work on getting more side stories done for more ops...

[lethal chasm]

What stage would be a good one to test Ulpianus? I just wanna see how good he is

[tidal pond]

Does sa2 replace ines?

[robust thistle]

kinda

its like 'no but actually yes'

[hoary ruin]

Ines is straightforward to use. SA2 not so much.

[robust thistle]

turns out being 2 block has more merits

[karmic urchin]

If your goal is to reveal invisible enemy then yes

[fathom nest]

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Ines does it passively

SAsh needs a skill

[robust thistle]

it is the other way around

[coarse notch]

completely different operators

[chrome tiger]

yeah sa2 isnt really as viable for invis reveal

[robust thistle]

unless youre using SAlter s3, but lol 55sp

[fathom nest]

Long ahh cycle

[karmic urchin]

what banner come after this? is it SA2 or nasti?

[fathom nest]

55/48 💀

[nimble kite]

Meanwhile cockroach having 50

[fathom nest]

CN had a joint op if that's anything to go by. We don't know exactly for us

[proven kelp]

Lol no
Ines doesn't even need to be on the field to do it, she can just dibs out and still do it

SA2 needs to exist for it, unfortunately

[fathom nest]

He needs to exist for any of his kit to work

Until a mod gives hand buff or something

[copper oracle]

wym, he can block thats 100% invi reveal uptime 🗣️

[proven kelp]

Such a fraud

[tidal pond]

Is his main skill S3? I'm assuming its biggest utility is being able to put out a heavy unit for cheap,but with things like exu2/haruka costing only 13, and most meta ops costing low-mid 20s I feel it's just not that good if you consider his own cost as well? Or am I missing some important detail?

[fathom nest]

s2

[robust thistle]

who? SAlter?
55/48 cycle on s3, lol lmao

[copper oracle]

s2

[chrome tiger]

yeah so like meta is kinda super geared toward cheap ops so

Also s2 has good dp gen

[robust thistle]

generates 33DP on m3 btw

[copper oracle]

its exactly because exu costs like 3 dp thats why s3 sucks

exu wang ela all cost like 5 dp

[robust thistle]

if youre bringing S3 then youre bringing a defective vanguard

[chrome tiger]

siege s3 tier dp gen

[tidal pond]

ohh I see, turns everything into a helidrop and makes infinity dp

[fathom nest]

Worse flag 🗣️

[copper oracle]

not infinity

[cursive maple]

didnt shields glaze it

[robust thistle]

well no he doesnt make any dp

[tidal pond]

reduces cost

[copper oracle]

still not infinity

puzzle still makes more (terms and conditions apply) 😇

[proven kelp]

He's not Gojo

[slim tusk]

so he is not dead

[proven kelp]

Yet

[cursive maple]

spoiler!!

[abstract mauve]

hi guys. shileds here. what happened

[chrome tiger]

sa happened

[cursive maple]

sa2 s2, s3 discussion

[abstract mauve]

s2 is dp reduction but if you consider that dp gen it's some of the best in the game. s3 is equivalent to a flagbearer for like around 40-50 seconds after spawning in. in most stages that's all you'd ever need and he does more on top of that

[fathom nest]

Wild statement out of context

[proven kelp]

Just don't use "it" so no more problems

[fathom nest]

Can he reduce to zero or is there a cap?

ngl I haven't deep dived into his kit

[copper oracle]

can reduce to 0

[signal dragon]

sa S2? can reduce everyone to 0 dp

[cursive maple]

how is perfumer alter kit

[fathom nest]

Shit 🥀

[abstract mauve]

🥀

[slate ridge]

@robust thistle do you have clip of spinner proccing 5x Haruka bubble
pretty sure its still the usual 0.5s delay before bubble burst and its only faster if Haruka is on S2

any damage done during the 0.5s period gets sanc

[fathom nest]

s1 could see use just because of the fucking fat multiplier but dunno why you'd use her over another free healing option

9 sp kinda balls

[cursive maple]

guess you cant have any hope for 5 stars

[fathom nest]

Really had to ruin one of the best 4 stars

Didn't even give her what makes her stand out, completely gutted her talent

[robust thistle]

Ato not available

[hidden wolf]

Does limited bannee pity carry over

[fathom nest]

Nope

[silver smelt]

go bosky node 🔥

[fathom nest]

Completely isolated

[hidden wolf]

Its 300 hard pity right

[cursive maple]

every limited banner have pity of its own

[cyan owl]

So, ah, the bear first phase is just to stall until its bar is gone?

[fathom nest]

Can also just tank it

[ancient belfry]

is SAalter team dependent i.e the utilization of his wave slash is dependent on your owned operators?

context: Im asking because he might not be worth it if I have few operators who can utilize his wave slash and saving for chen alter is much better.

[slate ridge]

ive been watching Ato clips and still cant find instakill bubble
its just 1 bubble burst every 0.5s and faster with S2 as it counts Haruka attacking so far

[cyan owl]

Dorothy S2:

[fathom nest]

Bind also works

Whatever you fancy

[pseudo flume]

Use Exu2 + Mr Nothing 🤫

[cyan owl]

Yeah, I thought the bear would be like some kind of challenge.
Until I realise I can just stall with 4 agents, Crownslayer and Dorothy S2.

Fun.

[fathom nest]

Does almost no damage to Hoshi1

[pseudo flume]

It is a challenge if you don't read and tried to bruteforce it ya

[cursive maple]

yep very amazing but idk why the first time the bear escaped stunlock

[fathom nest]

Think someone also used e1 Cuora for him

[signal dragon]

am I the only one that used dusk for bear

[slate ridge]

Ines alone can stall P1 to this part

[fathom nest]

Damn

Pots needed?

[slate ridge]

no just S3

[fathom nest]

[tidal pond]

Bear is super free with trag

[fathom nest]

Most bosses are

Cat is broken

[tidal pond]

Anyway is there a faster way of making SL than just proviso-ing? I'm at 1.2m and will be broke next banner

[copper oracle]

wtf is SL

[shadow bay]

sick leaves

yeh good question

[tidal pond]

Wrong game, lmd is what I meant srry

[copper oracle]

u can whale 💳

[tidal pond]

The monthly login pass is the most cost effective purchase right?

[copper oracle]

for generic pulls yes

theres a pack for 1 buck that gives u 2 pulls and some other shit for 1 specific banner only, that one is slightly better than monthly card

[left tulip]

They could at least make it carry over to the year after

[shadow bay]

theres this pack that give 1M lmd and 21 methink

[tidal pond]

I've seen the lmd packs in shop but it's always overpriced for an amount my base makes in like a week, even for the event-limited offers. Is there a better money->lmd conversion I don't know about?

[copper oracle]

no, the lmd packs always suck

[shadow bay]

not that i am aware of aside from the packs, but buying them kinda cringe (unless u just wanna be like furniture pack guy or something)

[copper oracle]

but its fast so

[gentle dove]

Buying packs is cringe?

[fathom nest]

LMD packs yes

[shadow bay]

atleast the lmd ones

[copper oracle]

the lmd packs is bad value so yeah

[gentle dove]

Oh yeah

[fathom nest]

You cleared every IS already?

[copper oracle]

but i mean its ur money so if u wanna buy it no one is stopping u 🚬

[rocky pilot]

Any particularly good 6* ops from kernel or no

[fathom nest]

The only ones that get used are n*che so

[proven kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969192347965456414/1466421738735927440/Kernel_1_page-0001.jpg?ex=697caf2b&is=697b5dab&hm=01c636f2073456f601ae10a329edcb15991f4da94f3e5257c4cbff1dbadded48&animated=true&width=2254&height=1065

[lavish stratus]

Is Mantra reallllyyyyy need for the current event? I am not sure if Tragia can justifying it

[silver smelt]

for Rm..? no you dont need mantra anywhere
or for Ch16 release? no you also dont need her there

[shadow bay]

no way devs starting op gated stages

[rocky pilot]

Welp there goes my additional 30 usd I was going to spend on celebration packs

[silver smelt]

she doesnt even do that much dmg to the invis ball thingies

[fathom nest]

I wouldn't even put Ceobe in mid prio anymore

[rocky pilot]

Honestly last question how's kal in the current meta

[lyric lagoon]

not op gated, just convenience 🥀

[lavish stratus]

Ch 16. I am trying to figure out how to beat 16-16 (simulation)

[silver smelt]

decent in is

[proven kelp]

How did you got the conclusion that's she's even needed lol

[tidal pond]

No, I'll do that 👍

[fathom nest]

All of the ops will mostly only see use in IS, these aren't general recommendations

[silver smelt]

is 16-16 the boss fight? u kill the enemies

[lyric lagoon]

they prob saw “invis reveal s3” and thought “invis enemies = need mantra s3”

[lavish stratus]

The boss isn’t the issue. The issue is the enemies in the end. I was dumbfounded with the enemies suddenly appear. Wasn’t there in regular 16-16

[nimble kite]

You just pick Tragodia and work around HP+ASPD Yurodstvo risk.

[fathom nest]

@proven kelp remove Ceobe, swap in

[proven kelp]

Noone Powercrept her yet unlike Suzu and NG so she's still have potential to be used

[nimble kite]

Yeah, pick HP+ASPD risk, not additional reinforcements.

[proven kelp]

Oh
I forgor thats she's in Kernel

[silver smelt]

u kill them too

[nimble kite]

Those Ursus Gundams will break you apart without proper tanking and heal.

[fathom nest]

Maybe low prio then

[lyric lagoon]

why even clear 16-16 strategic sim, there’s easier stages

[fathom nest]

She hasn't seen a usecase since what, ccb2?

[proven kelp]

Fair

[rocky pilot]

Okay planning to buy the 6* selector during celebration but how much does the ops list I get to choose from extends to

[lyric lagoon]

up till mon3tr

[fathom nest]

Standard and kernel are split now

icydk

[rocky pilot]

Yeah I meant standard

[split oriole]

Who should I pick among these or should I get a dupe for yellow certs

[rocky pilot]

But what are the best options to choose from there since well I cannot get lemuen

[fathom nest]

Would go for certs if you have any max pots

[nimble kite]

Pick Nearl, Ig.

Most useful unit out of these.
Or just push for certs.

[hoary ruin]

The easiest way to know who's on the selector is to check who's before Mont3r in the standard banner pool. Like just pull up the details for the pool on Mantra's banner. The OPs in the list are in release order.

[fathom nest]

Mlynar is probably still the top pick
Ray and Ascalon are big maybes

[silver smelt]

mlynar tbh

[proven kelp]

Ray is cute
Take that into consideration

[silver smelt]

so is mlynar
and so is ascalon
and ascalon is used more than ray anyway

[cursive maple]

go go go!

[spiral shore]

Chat i need help w building physical dmg team
Im having pog , ardelia p1 , mc , da pan , cheng
Whkm should i choose

[fathom nest]

This isn't the Endfield server

[cursive maple]

not the correct server/channel

[proven kelp]

Not the correct server

[spiral shore]

Sorry

[lavish ledge]

is contra good

[fathom nest]

Contrail?

[cursive maple]

contrail? she is good 4 star dps

[lavish ledge]

oops yea

[proven kelp]

It can also be a typo of Mantra!

[unkempt pollen]

i just tried pinging them in akefo to help but they're not even in the endfield server
where can i inv them, just dms?

[royal swan]

CCb3 and ch15, If you mean ceobe

[fathom nest]

Yeah

[royal swan]

Prob the top op recruitment prio as well

Ceobe is at the top atm on that

[proven kelp]

Oh right, i had that

[cursive maple]

not ange? well guess that is because ange is bad in gen and cc

[nimble kite]

👽 💥 👍

[proven kelp]

Ange is not even in recruitment

[ivory terrace]

ange unrecruitable

[cursive maple]

on cn?

[fathom nest]

Both her and Eyja are still absent

[cursive maple]

who were the two ops added to recruitment recently then?

[ivory terrace]

CN never went back idt

[fathom nest]

Carne was added on CN

[left tulip]

What’s the 6star selector thing btw?

[fathom nest]

Kal during SA2 and Carne during Wang

[proven kelp]

30 bucks pack that gives you a 6* selector and a some pulls

[fathom nest]

Paid selector, $30 in shop during celebration limited

[shadow bay]

every 6 months, usually in limited events, u can buy a 6 star selector pack for 30 bucks

[left tulip]

I see

[royal swan]

We're getting a y2 op added next update but still no ange or eyja is wild

[proven kelp]

Gilberta too busy in Talos to be in recruitment

[left tulip]

Wow pricey, me hoping it was a F2P reward

[royal swan]

Actually ardelia too, makes sense...

[shadow bay]

dw it will be in 2079

[fathom nest]

Well we will be getting a free top op on recruitment soon™

[ivory terrace]

on the 5* front: lappland...

[proven kelp]

Surtr is ditching work

[royal swan]

We're probably getting a recruitment event that guarantees a top op tag soon so that'll be the closest thing

[fathom nest]

And you missed the 4 op 6 star selector during Ato event

[royal swan]

In her defense she forgot

[left tulip]

Huh? How will that work, when?

[fathom nest]

You refresh your tags and it'll appear

[ivory terrace]

top op + summon being best tag unironically trust

[lyric lagoon]

she has bigger past-identities to fry

[opaque epoch]

how often does this fashion review thing show up? will it show up again with a different rotation?

[fathom nest]

It will

Different skins will be in it

[royal swan]

How it worked in CN is:
Week 1 was 5* first refresh after the event starts will guarantee a senior op tag

Week 2 was the same for top op

[rocky pilot]

Some pulls by means they only give 10

[lyric lagoon]

and it will be a scam as well

[proven kelp]

It's still some pulls

[ivory terrace]

limited banner event
will have real fashion review

[opaque epoch]

do we know when the next one will be based on CN? is it every patch or is it only during certain events only

[hollow musk]

Which skill of bubble should I use as a beginner?

[ivory terrace]

still s2

[rocky pilot]

Always 2

[proven kelp]

Dos

[fathom nest]

Certain events. I can't recall when the next one was

[hollow musk]

Okay skill 2 ?

[opaque epoch]

okay cause these are the ones left for me and they're all kinda duds since i dont use any of them besides suzuran

[royal swan]

Not worth it cuz half the pool is 15 OP skins (2700 orundum)
Even more than half in ur case

[rocky pilot]

Just don't to begin with

[ivory terrace]

what happens if u have all skins in the pool

[rocky pilot]

I rather spend on pulls rather than skins I already have to begin with, just need to wait, eventually

[shadow bay]

skin voucher

[ivory terrace]

does that have a caveat on top of the usual non-l2d non-collab part

[hoary ruin]

The "real" fashion review will return with SA2's banner? Or is that a once-a-year thing?

[ivory terrace]

every limited banner event will have it

[shadow bay]

just the usual skin voucher... nothing grand

[hoary ruin]

The random one seems like a huge scam compared to the other one tbh.

[shadow bay]

welp its ideal for peeps who have narrower skin options, and can spare for skins

or maybe u have all the skin, and want a skin voucher via for future usage

[lyric lagoon]

in terms of value, you lose 100 orundum if you roll a 15 skin, in terms of choice, total scam

[hoary ruin]

Hm yeah, I guess this one will take Orundum instead of OP but.....

[ivory terrace]

and sillier to buy all 15 OP skins just to profit

[hexed adder]

The skin voucher actually different from usual, can be used only for skins on that review (any pools change ofc)

[left tulip]

Gravel is pretty good right? Can I target her through headhunting? Or am I gonna get her from pulls regardless so it’s not worth doing so?

[raven junco]

What to pick?

[cursive maple]

she is mainly used to bait, u get her from recruitment

[left tulip]

Yea meant to say rercuitment mb

[hollow musk]

Which skill to use of silence as a newbie?

[fathom nest]

s2

[chrome tiger]

If the first skill is just generic stat buff you can default to the other skill

[cursive maple]

aoe for mostima/ifrit
medic for ng gamble

[chrome tiger]

There’s few exceptions

[dawn canyon]

Which of zuo lee module do u get again

[hollow musk]

It's atk +60% so?

[chrome tiger]

The older one

[fathom nest]

fast-redeploy tag is a 50/50 with her and Jaye
You'll likely get her from pulling on banners though

[dawn canyon]

Unfortunately i don’t know which ones older the sanctuary one or revive one

[hollow musk]

How do you get this tag?

[fathom nest]

modX

[chrome tiger]

Sanctuary

[fathom nest]

It's random

0.2% chance

[hollow musk]

Does it have anything to do with the office lvl?

[fathom nest]

No

Well, not directly

[grand karma]

What should i focus on? Day 22 Account

[fathom nest]

Ray

[ivory terrace]

tag composition % hasn't been scientifically tested against office level

[grand karma]

Its on my note currently

[chrome tiger]

Office lvl lets you recruit more often but your permit income cant even catch up with lv1 performance so like

there’s no point

maybe in the far far future update where they make right side of base good

[fathom nest]

Shorely

[grand karma]

[sleek finch]

remember people cope about office level 3 save you LMD in the long run?

[ivory terrace]

means zulch in the end when they removed the cost across the board

[fiery canopy]

after ray, zuole modX3, s3m3 if enemies can get him low and s2m3 if not

[raven junco]

Whats her best skill and mod?

[urban sleet]

I hope this wqs from top op she dead these days, forgot skill but iirc modx lvl 1, let someone else confirm thi
EDIT: Light confirmed

[cursive maple]

dont bother raising her

[turbid ocean]

its S2 + ModY technically
but please don't raise her niche is dead

[raven junco]

Damn, guess ill keep with ptilop as my only healing option

[turbid ocean]

that doesn't answer their question

[shadow bay]

inb4 shilling diff shining usage so u m6 mod6 her

[cursive maple]

idont see the need to tell them the skill and mod when she will be e0

[turbid ocean]

see channel rule 3

answer first
input after

[cursive maple]

there wasnt any confusion

the communication happened without any interpretation error

[coarse notch]

bro didnt make it to the 3rd sentence of the rule

[turbid ocean]

they asked best skill and mod
theres 3 skills and 2 modules, you answer which one is better

[shadow bay]

indeed

u also focus on the dps before u play with down to barrel raising list like shining

her niche were rarely to never sought upon

[turbid ocean]

after that, you can tell them to delete shining off the face of the planet sure 👍

[proven kelp]

Can i answer with this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969192347965456414/1483420294650531911/Your_paragraph_text_23.png?ex=69ba864e&is=69b934ce&hm=e3103a11c75362619751e6787b8bc046aeee45b8cc1e2f0573bf21759996d195&animated=true

[ivory terrace]

shining is pretty much just s3, s2 cuz u afk
module is mixed bag

[turbid ocean]

Your sheet has the answer so yes

[cinder hearth]

Surely mods delete you for self-promo

[proven kelp]

[shadow bay]

atleast shining was used back in ccb2

surely shell have usage on future ccb

[fiery canopy]

surely

[urban sleet]

insert cocaine bear usecase cope

[proven kelp]

I'd rather just use Mousse to tank Bear

[honest lichen]

who can generate dp like fang ?

[proven kelp]

Like Fang? Scavenger and Vanilla
Your best Vanguard? Beanstalk

[honest lichen]

which is best for

[nimble kite]

Oh, yeah, -25% ATK, yeah she will be useful here.

[grand karma]

looks same

[slate ridge]

if she can survive 3x3 ye shes viable
70% uptime roughly if not M3

[nimble kite]

You're not the same.
He struggles with Outskirts map, you are - on Downtown.

[grand karma]

which one is more friendly for beginner? ( Sui Done )

[nimble kite]

IS2 then.

[abstract mauve]

is6 tbh

[proven kelp]

Fang is fine for easy DP gen
If you really want more DP scavenger, but Beanstalk is a better Laneholder

[grand karma]

is this?

i'm still 22 day on this game, i have no clue what to do rn

[nimble kite]

After that, will be painful to choose, so brace yourselves.

IS3 lowdiff > IS4 lowdiff > IS6 lowdiff > IS6 highdiff > IS4 highdiff > IS3 highdiff.

[abstract mauve]

is5 then. with the cheese, it's relatively easy for newer IS player

[honest lichen]

3 days old acc for me

[grand karma]

Nice, may i have to try it a bit

[nimble kite]

Bruh, I thought you cleared Sarkaz.

Sarkaz IS5 then.

[coarse notch]

if you've already experienced is6 then cheesing is5 should very doable

[grand karma]

anyway, is it premissible to talk about CN Op?

[abstract mauve]

ye

[coarse notch]

as long as its gameplay related anything goes

[mild turtle]

which op and which skill for the m3 ticket

[grand karma]

regarding about reignfrost passive, it stated every Kjerag OP will gain DEF and HP% Regen every second.

is it also affect Karlan Trades?

[coarse notch]

id do lemuen s3 here

[coarse notch]

karlan trade is part of kjerag so yes

[grand karma]

Got it

[cinder hearth]

All karlan trade ops are kjerag, so it's a redundant question.

Technically.

[grand karma]

been read wiki a lot, somehow a few question appear on my mind

[mild turtle]

but trag s2 cc..

[coarse notch]

https://tomimi.dev/en/recruit
for operator classifications this is pretty helpful
tomimi is also one of the best websites for IS

[coarse notch]

trag s2 masteries do not matter unless you're going for the mod2/lvl88 or mod3/lvl82 breakpoint

[cinder hearth]

Trag s2 has a breakpoint too high for you to care rn, yeah

[mild turtle]

oh oks

[cinder hearth]

And the redeploy time of the cat stays consistent, so you're plateuing in terms of value.

[mild turtle]

alright, lem s3 then

[coarse notch]

its a mastery that you should be getting eventually but lemuen s3 absolutely needs it first
plus its annoyingly expensive so using the ticket on her s3 is a good idea

[ivory terrace]

if it uses t5 nucleus u prob be using it

[haughty obsidian]

should i get lemuen mod to lv3?

[coarse notch]

mod2 is enough

[vale finch]

Just to check, can we still farm event currency on other stages or only restricted to chp 16?

[ivory terrace]

after all, barring the few from ch16 release event, when is the next nucleus farm from event

[coarse notch]

any stage that has the extra drop thing on it

[ivory terrace]

just not past event stages basically

[mellow haven]

What are the skill priorities of mantra

[vale finch]

Ouh ok thx!

[ivory terrace]

s3 but only if u have trag i guess

[coarse notch]

if you dont have trag then mantra is kinda

[abstract mauve]

still better than most 6*

[mild turtle]

isn't there like a combo with trag s3 and mantra s3

[fiery canopy]

high potential !

[nimble kite]

Tbh, her S3 doesn't explicitly requires Tragodia. Any skill pressers is fine.

First Primal which is FINE without core Elem proccer btw.

[coarse notch]

you only lose out on like 2/3rds of her damage, more if you get more off targets

[drowsy hollow]

Does true damage avoid arts/physical dodge?

[coarse notch]

i dunno about fine, it functions i guess, just not well by any means

[ivory terrace]

ye it does

[nimble kite]

It doesn't explicitly said True dodge, so...

[coarse notch]

true damage will penetrate through almost everything with very few exceptions

[nimble kite]

CrocWife, Kristen (?), CC Jesselton Map enemies.

[coarse notch]

and dbs

[nimble kite]

Oh yeah, CrocChamps too.

[vivid yew]

My pulling plan (currently i have Logos, Ray, Ascalon, and Mantra)

1. Pull only for Silverash Alter
2. Possibly pull next Orienteering banner depending what unit they changed
3. Skip Nasti, Titi, Belone
4. Pull only for Wang
   Anything to change here?

[ivory terrace]

consider getting pram2 too

[young glacier]

Consequences of your planning is yours

[nimble kite]

Probably skip Orientied too, but this plan is overall decent.

[vivid yew]

It will depend on the next limited banner on CN server, hopefully it will be released before Silverash banner ends

[ivory terrace]

wym, pram2 is alongside SA2

[nimble kite]

...they're both on same banner, lul.

[coarse notch]

you have enough time between sash2, wang, and 7th anniv to save pulls for each

[vivid yew]

No i mean, i will wait for next limited banner on CN server, if they are good, i will only pull for Silverash, if they are not that great, i can spend more to also get Pramanix

[hexed adder]

May banner on CN prob

[boreal steeple]

Yea except the damn overall dmg reduction or hitcount

[coarse notch]

especially if you're new and you dont mind spending op

[nimble kite]

If you're casual player, you want PramaAlter more than SilverAlter, tbh.

[coarse notch]

everyones hopes and dreams when trying to logos s1 waregeists

[vivid yew]

Which Ray mod is better?

[young glacier]

Rare case of new OP BS not working against existing gimmick I was there when Gnosis was hyped for "Nothing has freeze immunity (Gnosis event boss did)" on his releass

[ivory terrace]

heard her Y mod

[pale tapir]

I prefer modx personally but mody is nice too
she already hits pretty hard so I like having faster cycle on the range extender

[obtuse marten]

which module of thorns is better?

[ivory terrace]

just stick to X

[boreal steeple]

Can choose X ig

[young glacier]

How many modules Thorn alter has? Can we hit with "which Thorn" yet?

[ivory terrace]

thorns alter still just 1 iirc

[coarse notch]

#help message
#help message
im of the camp that modx3 is better but mody1 is the best value

[ivory terrace]

remind me wut the mod Y upgrades do, more atk stacks?

[nimble kite]

For anyone will ask the question about new Kernel:

No, don't pull.
No, don't buy Mountain.

[coarse notch]

base effect increase the atk scale of the basic hunter attacks
talent upgrade gives 1 more stack and +1% to the atk increase

[keen scarab]

how long until entelechia get her new mod?

someone told me her new mod is better

[nimble kite]

If we follow CN - Titi one.

[coarse notch]

when titi comes out, she released jan in CN so around july for us give or take

[ivory terrace]

her new mod yeee
cuz now she has easy sustain

[keen scarab]

is she functional without module, mine still not equipping any

[nimble kite]

Kinda. Rebuilding a Mandate shows me she's still solid. But better with Module.

[echo adder]

Which hoshiguma module is better?

[nimble kite]

ModX, especially if you didn't beated 16-12 yet. But you sure you wanna level her?

[ivory terrace]

X for more def
Y for situational 4 block & dodge copium

[echo adder]

Thank yow

[echo adder]

Yes shes hot

[nimble kite]

Oh, waifu. Additionally you can add Ymod for +1 Block, but stop at Lv1.

[sacred fossil]

At what point should I start on ending 2 for is6?

[pale tapir]

when you want to clear ending 2

[nimble kite]

Whatever you like. If doing Raidian mastery unlock, should be D6 at minimum.

[ivory terrace]

just try lol
u will prob fail as in any rougelike

[pale tapir]

make sure to draft ethan or wis or ascalon or whoever can handle left side
otherwise stock up >17 life points so you can let left side leak

[rustic cloud]

Hello, I wanna ask smth, about the next kernel banner, who's going to be available at cert shop? Mountain?

Is he worth it to buy if I don't have him yet?

Aighty, thanks for the help

[nimble kite]

here comes the first

[shadow bay]

but the pseudo vanguard...

[rustic cloud]

Is he replaceable or smth? Cuz I don't have any solo lane holder rn

[spice patrol]

In the big 2026

[sacred fossil]

So I should get into difficulty 6 before trying ending 2 then? I don’t have wisadel or Targa so it’s either one of them

[pale tapir]

targa 🥹
you can do ed2 whenever you want
it's just that one of raidian's upgrade missions requires you to clear ed2 on d6 or above

also ethan or ascalon works just fine
or stacking LP >17

[slim gazelle]

Extreme mode for chap 16 isn't out yet, right?

[ivory terrace]

not yet

[pale tapir]

do you need a solo lane holder tho
vulpipi easily does his job while also printing dp

[shadow bay]

he is indeed

mountain offer mostly early lanehold, in regards to lanehold we have way too many candidates for it....

for cheap aspect, vg exist lol... agents for example can handle early lanes, while being cheap and can actually generate dp

[nimble kite]

Outdated, because nowadays maps and later characters are wanted to play in different tune.

[pseudo flume]

Has become sub-par for the newest content

[nimble kite]

Don't need to actually lanehold if all enemies are dead before reaching this lane to begin with.

[ancient belfry]

Before I E2 Ines then Ascalon, should I get Tequila's M3 first?

I have
SA M2, E2 Surtr, E2 Reedmedic

[light latch]

only reason u pick up mtn is for afking easy stages

[abstract mauve]

he's vigil without the dp gen

[rustic cloud]

I see

[pseudo flume]

His glory days of being deploy and forget is mostly gone

[pale tapir]

you can do both at the same time

[ivory terrace]

for almost double the dp cost there is sakiko s2

[pseudo flume]

[urban sleet]

Can vouch, my pfp certifies my vouch ||I jist like the sticker not mountain but thats a different story||

[shadow bay]

theres the movement of exu alter also as psudo vanguard

[coarse notch]

why dont newbies who want mountain just manifest ela into their account, are they stupid

[ancient belfry]

I'm poor. it'll probably take 2 weeks. I'm trying to farm LMD for SA M3 right now. (I have 95k LMD currently)

[slate ridge]

what does lmd have to do with skill masteries
other than 15k to craft from T1 to T5 x 12 items

[urban sleet]

Newbies need to shrimply wsit for pram2 blue box will do all the holding they need

[nimble kite]

Workshop craft.

[abstract mauve]

crazy

[ancient belfry]

module? wait isn't M short term for module

[ivory terrace]

or uh... module

[coarse notch]

poverty so severe even welfare gave up

[coarse notch]

module is mod, mastery is m

[ivory terrace]

M for skill mastery is alrdy taken
so mod is module

[nimble kite]

No, it's Skill Mastery.
Use T or Mod for module.

[pine plover]

[wraith flicker]

what combination of tags should I put

[shadow bay]

why T???

[abstract mauve]

what does T even stand for

[ivory terrace]

support ig

[coarse notch]

tmodule

[slate ridge]

Trait changer surely

[pine plover]

todule

[ancient belfry]

owhsi my bad.
I mean mod 3 for Tequila before I E2 the rest

[nimble kite]

I'm clueless, I just know T is for mod.

[pseudo flume]

I have no idea why people keep mistaking M and Mod smh

[random kestrel]

the module

[coarse notch]

hell nah you can skip teq mod entirely

[abstract mauve]

thoughts on mod1 tequilla tho

[hollow musk]

Can I hide a photo like a msg? Cause it's a spoiler

[urban sleet]

Debuff for ifrit gamble
Support for suzuran/ng gamble

[fiery canopy]

🚮

[ivory terrace]

counter intuitive to his charged s2

[nimble kite]

Yes. Click on image and tick the "Spoiler" option.

[coarse notch]

going by this
ines s2m3, mod1 (very skippable)
ascalon s2m3, mod1
sash s3m3, mod3
surtr s3m3, mod2
reedic s3m3, no mod
tequila masteries and module are both unnecessary

[ancient belfry]

so that drop instant 100% isn't worth it?

oh I just remember it cant even be utilized in IS cos need to promote him there -_-

[abstract mauve]

he starts 15/20. so you just have to wait 25 more seconds instead of 40 for s2 fully charged

[ancient belfry]

thank you Imma bookmark this

[ivory terrace]

good he at least has initial sp

[coarse notch]

i dunno if they'll get enough mileage from their tequila to justify the cost of the module but mod1 is fineish i suppose

[hollow musk]

How will I get this character ?
From login or do I have to play?

[ivory terrace]

welfare

[coarse notch]

no need to spoiler tag cn stuff, shes the welfare from sash2 event

[nimble kite]

From SilverAsh Alter event as a welfare.

[shadow bay]

welfare in future event

[pine plover]

How to obtain at bottom

[abstract mauve]

she's a welfare

[ivory terrace]

so yes, astegenne double welfare

[coarse notch]

someone give shileds a new pair of pants

[urban sleet]

Shileds what is your unbiased take on astgenne2

[nimble kite]

Eternal welfare... Eternal mid-ass ahh unit...

[shadow bay]

nope asking way convenient than reading

[onyx mango]

Is astgene gud?

[fiery canopy]

who's gonna tell him

[hollow musk]

I have to play something cause I am a newbie so I don't know if I will be able to complete it ?

[abstract mauve]

unbiased, for welfareknights or unbiased for general?

[nimble kite]

General.

[pine plover]

imma snap your toothbrush

[urban sleet]

Give me both

[shadow bay]

base one??? actually usable

[haughty holly]

Is shiled real or fake

[ivory terrace]

no one shills RRing her

[nimble kite]

Event. Just play the event featured and here you are. Like you did with others.

[random kestrel]

i expect a text wall

[haughty holly]

I feel like shiled is an AI

[fiery canopy]

fake

[haughty holly]

Look at this man writing 200 words

[abstract mauve]

welfareknights she's the 3rd best unit in the niche to only raidian and sankta miksa. she's really good. for general she's i mean decent. i think she's plenty usable. s2 is an afk skill and the slow uptime is good enough. s3 is cool i think

[onyx mango]

The alter

[abstract mauve]

[urban sleet]

Thanks

[urban sleet]

Shiled is malformed shield

[coarse notch]

that would be astrelgpt

[cinder hearth]

Question for you bots, is raidian mod b better than mod a or vise versa?

[pine plover]

something something
mod a for s1
mod b for s2

[nimble kite]

Summons gets buffed.
I think B one is better.

[coarse notch]

idk what you mean by modb but her new mod is worse than her old one in the vast majority of is6

[cinder hearth]

Easier to refer to letter closest to the symbol.

[ivory terrace]

ye her 2nd mod is beta

[proven kelp]

Is it that bad? Reading the the new mod it looks pretty fine tbh

What's wrong with it

[pine plover]

α and β

[cinder hearth]

I'm seeing hp restore and that's honestly selling me pretty quickly.

Just wondering what general sentiment is.

[abstract mauve]

Astgenne the Lightchaser is not just an Splash Caster — she's a strong slower and a gamebreaking dps. She's often paired with Warfarin to dish out damage and compete in the big leagues. Astgenne gives us new insight at how strength is valued and is a powerful new addition to the Arknights roster

[nimble kite]

If it buffs summon stats, which you will use often, why it should be bad?

[fiery canopy]

ty for the totally unbiased take !

[young glacier]

Where is report for AI slop button

[nimble kite]

Or we gonna start Avengers Civil War ark upon Bmod?

[pine plover]

he is still biased on who counts as welfare or not

[abstract mauve]

this is all knowledge flowing from the mind of a real human 💪

[young path]

is shakespeare truly dead

[light latch]

is this referring to mod b

[nimble kite]

Yes.

[light latch]

are we looking at the same module here.. mod b does not buff summon stats

[cinder hearth]

It's raidian buffs, not summon buffs, yeah.

[abstract mauve]

WHAT this is like the only thing Im unbiased about 😭

[light latch]

mod a buffs summons, mod b buffs raidian as far as i can tell

[cinder hearth]

I'm seeing recovering 25% max hp instantly though which seems huge for a mode where chip damage can pretty often kill her.

[young glacier]

Lies not a single person in #help bothers mentioning operator synergies, especially with kernel operator

[abstract mauve]

what im seeing is 5 less bodies i can use to blockshift yi

[cinder hearth]

What I'm seeing is dps poverty

[nimble kite]

Wait, I thought the whole time it buffs Inspiration talent, omg I'm so stupid.

[haughty holly]

[pine plover]

mod B launches the summon as damage
like in space invader where the enemies charge at you

[abstract mauve]

that would've been not complete ass but that's not the world we live in

[pine plover]

if it's not clear yet, her whole gimmick is reference to space invader

[urban sleet]

Iirc is6 has a second expansion too right? Does she get an IS module in it

[cinder hearth]

Imagine, triple IS mod

[pale tapir]

-# raidian is a space alien like dokutah and pisstess nowaying
and two of them are bad

[cinder hearth]

HG's favorite favorite favorite child

[formal shadow]

But where's my highmore IS mod?

[pine plover]

her e2 artwork has space invader in the background

[urban sleet]

Entel mod y funds took up highnore IS mod funds

[nimble kite]

Bruh, now I'm clueless, maybe I should switch back to A variation.

[abstract mauve]

this would imply that all 5* can get multiple modules and it opens the floodgates to people requesting their favorites get IS mods

[flint onyx]

Do surtr mod really worth it? Like is stats buff really that good for the mats spent for it?

[nimble kite]

Lv2 at most.

[urban sleet]

Can do upto lvl2 if you use her, and the res ignore increase is more useful than stat gains themselves

[abstract mauve]

8 apsd is 8 aspd

[young glacier]

Frame rounding is frame rounding

[vital kelp]

8 aspd is better than fartooth module's 7 aspd

[urban sleet]

Any further updates on monhun after the teaser

[formal shadow]

We waiting

Unfortunately CN is currently doing event rerun 🥀

[urban sleet]

Ah hence the delay thought its the very next event

[mild turtle]

rerun of what

[vital kelp]

event

[formal shadow]

Eblana rerun

[urban sleet]

Shit thats another operator I want time to get a j*b

[cinder hearth]

Random ass question I don't think I'll get an answer to, but wanna ask anyways:
Does anyone know why "Garden of Grotesqueries" is the exact same track as "A Room With a View"?

If you swap between the two, you'll notice the track doesn't stop playing/transition which indicates they're identical, and listening to each in full, I couldn't pick up any differences.

Huh. I was wrong-it switches to match whichever track is currently the set bgm. But if you set it as your bgm, it defaults back to "Garden of Grotesqueries"...why??

[obtuse berry]

Uhh do you guys have max out Sniper Chen I want to borrow it for H9-6

[gentle gust]

i do, actually what is maxed? lvl?

[urban sleet]

Can filtersearch by name in #friend-id , but I am sure a modern unit would do her job better

[obtuse berry]

idk, whatever is fine at least just enough to clear the first wave

[mild turtle]

or just.. y'know, use a certain flinger sniper

[obtuse berry]

Try with Wisadel but the problem is the flying statue and the hover unit

[gentle gust]

ok sure, shawn #8473

[urban sleet]

Wisadel hits air with s3

[obtuse berry]

Wisadel only have 6 ammos you know

[urban sleet]

what

[gentle gust]

on the topic of friends does anyone have nearl alter s3m3 i can use? tried searching on friend id but last message was a month ago and it was s2m3

[obtuse berry]

Am I typing it wrong

[urban sleet]

Oh wait yeah its 6 indeed smh felt more than 1 in use

[formal shadow]

Case sensitive

[gentle gust]

capitalize the first letter i didnt know it mattered help

so sorry 😔 🥀

[obtuse berry]

actually I can clear almost anything

but till boss Wisadel not have enough redeployment time to support the defender so...