help

[median fable]

she's trash, but cheap and usable in early game to save resource for better ops

[blissful berry]

yeah heard shes like extremely good for a certain IS

[pastel canyon]

but overall would texas be an improvement to courier

[west hazel]

what could i reroll for in the beginner banner ?

[coral knot]

Leizi has better damage with s2 on low def, plus frighten and levitate. Mlynar has better damage on higher def with s3 and taunt

[median fable]

obv since almost always higher rarity >>> lower rarity
but they are all so trash that you should save resources and use Fang as a placeholder

[pastel canyon]

are there even any good vanguards? i use myrtle too

[copper oracle]

texas op for potsim

[blissful berry]

also who do i progress next

[coral knot]

Myrtle is good, but she is a flagbearer, so you should have another vanguard like Fang for lane holding

[blissful berry]

ines is pretty cracked but shes a 6 star

[pastel canyon]

i guess i'll keep using courier since i already have him leveled a bit

[coral knot]

I'd say Naran e2 > Virtuosa. E2 > SA e2

Though you already have Wis, maybe Virtuosa is better than Naran

[pastel canyon]

also which skill for him

[blissful berry]

is there a point to prog virtuosa if im always using trag rn? i dont have the other necrosis units as well

[coral knot]

Oh, you have Trag

[hexed adder]

Yes u can ditch virt

[coral knot]

Maybe Naran > SA then

[pastel canyon]

which skill for courier?

[blissful berry]

i see i was planning to prog SA since my team kinda looks like this rn

ground units are kinda in shortage for me

[hexed adder]

Too many medics and flags

[knotty wave]

what do you mean shortage? you have mon3tr, ulpi, and thorns there

[blissful berry]

yeah it was pre kaltsit, should i prog texas to replace elysium?

[west hazel]

if i was to reroll on the beginner banner what operator should i aim for ?

[blissful berry]

i js got her from the questline

[daring vigil]

reroll for ulpianus instead

[hexed adder]

Not another vg, if u have to bench its myrtle

[blissful berry]

err more of ranged tiles r quite homeless

[blissful berry]

oh really? i thought myrtle was better than ely due to faster dp regen

[knotty wave]

you just grab any first 6* from the beginner banner then reroll on ulpi banner

[coral knot]

You get one character for free, so aim Ulpianus instead. The best character on begginers is SA though

[hexed adder]

U dont really need it tbh

[blissful berry]

yeah i heard past a certain stage dp gets locked

[coral knot]

SA aint doing the same thing as your other 3 ground units. He is a helidrop with good physical damage.

[blissful berry]

unfortunately wasnt playing when ines was in shop so its tough

[somber coral]

if you actually want to gamble you could get the first one cuz hes one of the strongest guards

[hexed adder]

Not that many, only on few stages (u can adjust when that time comes)

[coral knot]

You basically deploy him, activate skill and then retreat and wait

[somber coral]

but I dont recommend cuz hes a bit weird at low level

[blissful berry]

oh i thought he was a stay there typa unit

[coral knot]

Though if you get Leizi2, he loses a lot of value

[blissful berry]

i see i was thinking abt js focusing hoshi banner since i do kinda need a tank

[somber coral]

ins't ulpi a tank 🤔

[blissful berry]

i was wondering if i should maybe get leizi too

[median fable]

I think this is kinda an oversimplification

it's like saying "if you get burst dps X then burst dps Y loses value" when you can just use both X and Y

[blissful berry]

pretty weird one, if they hit very hard and slow its bad, he does have a really strong killing skill tho

[coral knot]

It is

[blissful berry]

ulp kinda js shines when theres some form of DOT on the map

[coral knot]

Ulpi is the best tank on the game, but he needs Gladiia

[somber coral]

ulp just has remote nuke in his pocket 🤔

[median fable]

he can kinda tank almost everything from general content (especially if you add Gladiia in the equation)

[blissful berry]

yeah but i also did hear from people it may not be very worth progging her esp her module since it requires her 3rd one too

[median fable]

the misconception is that he "needs" gladiia to do it. He doesn't

[somber coral]

you dont need gladiia for his offensive side

[knotty wave]

Gladiia is just a qol to ulpi, he doesnt rly need her

[blissful berry]

yeah i was told that, idk probs cuz ion have the mod yet but when it comes to VERY hard hitting units i do struggle

also kinda need something that can js pull aggro and eat alot of ranged hits

[knotty wave]

if theyre hard hitting then use a brick op

[blissful berry]

is cuora one of them?

[coral knot]

Hoshi2 is a better unconditional tank, but if you can draft Gladiia, Ulpi is usually better. Hoshi2 would be great for you though cause you dont have main arts damage dealer and Hoshi2 is like, the best arts damage dealer on the game post module

[median fable]

[blissful berry]

i see, carnival banner rn for me has insane value since haruka, eyja and her

[knotty wave]

also, you have wis, you shouldve no problem doing gen content

[coral knot]

Also she is coming with Haruka, that is the best sustainer on the game besides elemental damage

[coral knot]

Dont aim Eyja

[blissful berry]

yeah generally fine, i do think i need a upgrade of vanguards from my current ones and maybe an upgrade in healer/ tanks wouldnt hurt

[coral knot]

Myrtle tends to be enough for dp generation

[hard prism]

Does TfN end next reset

[visual hinge]

hoshi2 arts dmg greater than logos?

[blissful berry]

nah its more of the stages that rush units no ines kinda rough times

when that happens i kinda js borrow her and my issues solved

[somber coral]

do enemies in the endgame just have alot of elemental resistance?

[knotty wave]

then use your pioneers, you have access to fang and courier early in the game

[knotty wave]

no

[blissful berry]

yeah i have texas i was thinking abt progging her

[median fable]

not really

especially considering how Hoshi2 doesn't even have a way to bypass res

[coral knot]

After module yes

[graceful vigil]

actually she has more total damage

[median fable]

we still didn't get any true elem res iirc, til now only elem injury res

[knotty wave]

expensive, cour and fang will do until you get a better one

[visual hinge]

[median fable]

yeah, at 0 res for sure

[graceful vigil]

10 res ignore wont matter much

[dense copper]

holy shit john lobotomy pfp

[somber coral]

the difference is that the damage doesn't change but you inflict less injury?

[coral knot]

She only loses at really high res and the difference is minimal

[dense copper]

is there any point in going past difficulty 10 in IS4

[blissful berry]

i see the price to performance not worth im guessing?

[knotty wave]

yes

[graceful vigil]

if you like playing rogue like if no then no

[median fable]

the most was like 10 injury res, I'm not updated about new cn event enemies stats but I don't remmber them going over 10

[wooden creek]

which 4 kernel units are gonna be in upcoming free selector again?

[somber coral]

no wonder tragodia is wis level theres no competition

[broken dove]

are modules important? I had gotten my first e2 with exu2 but I forgot about them existing

[blissful berry]

also regarding SA alter how is he as a unit

[median fable]

she doesn't lose "only at high res", let me find the numbers that were done

[dense copper]

tragodia is in wis level because kitty

[somber coral]

if you have ulpi normal content is cooked cuz of alter skill 2 🥶

[knotty wave]

hes in that lvl for a diff reason

[median fable]

goes case by case (generally yeah)

[blissful berry]

oh what exactly does he do?

ik he reduces cost and stuff

[dense copper]

incredibly if you have good phantom and ulpianis work beautifully

[blissful berry]

oh how does he synergize with ulp?

[median fable]

currently? Potential man
he had some funny "gimmick" with Ulpi synergy but generally he's alright, nth crazy
he can be a staple in some CC but that's yet to see

[tired pewter]

#cn-lounge message

[dense copper]

depends on the unit like for using other abyssal hunters gladiia's module is a godsend but other usually sort of new units like lappland alt its not really a focus

[median fable]

his s2 deals dmg based on the deployed operator raw stat atk
Ulpi has one of the highest atk stat
funny high number

[somber coral]

also ulpi skill 3 redeploys him

[median fable]

works also with like Skadi for example

[blissful berry]

oh i saw the gif of the slash into ulp s3

[dense copper]

s3 counts as a redeploy if your fast the you get the swing for deploying and the s3 activation

[lavish monolith]

it works with ulpi but not with monster

[graceful vigil]

nvm you alr sent lol

[autumn rivet]

is sugar usage heavy ?

[dense copper]

they knew she'd be beyond busted with her stats

not even factoring in how often you can use it

[ancient lintel]

So logos scales better when enemies have high stats?

[graceful vigil]

more thN 50/60 res

[autumn rivet]

arts dmg is bad when enemy have high res

[dense copper]

yes everyone in rhodes is a sugar addict im not even exaggerating you WILL need a lot

[lunar apex]

why everytime I visit people's base most of them have the dorm decorated with court room and coffee shop ?
Its just coincidence or those furnitures set has something ?

[ancient lintel]

Still though hoshi beats him until enemies stats gets high enough that his res shreds comes in to play

[dense copper]

damage type is bad when enemy have defense stat for that damage

[graceful vigil]

water is wet

[lavish monolith]

Make a planner on krooster and consult it to your building plan. For me its a rocc hell and gel.

[dense copper]

debatable

[autumn rivet]

[graceful vigil]

i can go on blabbering all night lol

[coral knot]

Physical characters tend to work better against high def enemies than art characters against high res though

[blissful berry]

is it worth to js drop like 30-40 pulls on leizi

[graceful vigil]

cuz of linear reduction

[native blaze]

how do I make my gold not run out even with two factories on it

[blissful berry]

buy from credit use drones probs stuff like that

[coral knot]

If you are giving 30/40 pulls, at least try to get one 6*

Leizi is a great character overall, she is definitely worth it

[native blaze]

do I like just stock pile gold since I do have enough EXP

[graceful vigil]

shun do you play overwatch?

[native blaze]

but hoshi alter banner

[blissful berry]

up 2 u i dont have the issue since its 2:2 and i regularly get gold from credit store

[graceful vigil]

if you have not enough pulls for hoshi alt skipping is a wise choice

[coral knot]

Thsts something to consider, but if mf is already giving 40 pulls, give more 15 and try to get Leizi

[blissful berry]

roughly how many would u think is safe for hoshialter

[native blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[graceful vigil]

200 ish

[native blaze]

at least 60 or 100

[blissful berry]

yikers i think im only at 107k

[graceful vigil]

huh

[blissful berry]

maybe il js wait for another time, i dont really need leizi that much rn

[coral knot]

107k is almost 180 pulls

[native blaze]

that’s like 107k worth of pulls

[blissful berry]

i do plan on getting skins too so its probs closer to 150?

that ulp skin is looking hella nice

[tired pewter]

blogging belongs in #arknights

[graceful vigil]

you can go for first 6star, hoshi event in itself gives 50 pulls

[wooden creek]

which 4 kernel units are gonna be in upcoming free selector again?

[lavish monolith]

Surtr, saria, bag, eyja

[blissful berry]

oh? from ex + challenges or where do most the pulls come from

[ancient lintel]

If I have 190+ pulls and I want to pull on leizi, how deep should I go so that I can still save up for anniversary?

[coral knot]

6.5 anniversary you mean?

[ancient lintel]

Ye the january anni

[lunar apex]

maybe 50 - 60

[coral knot]

Are you pulling for spark?

[wooden creek]

thanks

[dense copper]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-rogers-captain-america-i-can-do-this-all-day-gif-5257480

[somber coral]

how do operators gain their ability as soon as they're deployed?

[lavish monolith]

First 6★ and dip out. But you might miss AVA mujica

[graceful vigil]

all included 50+ pulls

[coral knot]

Are you talking about anniversary or Hoshi2?

[graceful vigil]

now i wanna rewatch it lol

[hexed adder]

EN anniversary is hoshit

[robust thistle]

Hoshi2 is anniv

[tired pewter]

some skills activate immediately upon deployment, some skills are ready to be activated immediately upon deployment. some operators can increase the initial SP of other operators. is there a certain skill you're wanting to ask about?

[lunar apex]

why everytime I visit people's base most of them have the dorm decorated with court room and coffee shop ?
Its just coincidence or those furnitures set has something ?

[coral knot]

Isnt Hoshi2 summer?

[blissful berry]

probs was summer for cn or something

[hexed adder]

For EN its anniversary

[somber coral]

I keep seeing in youtube operators gaining their ability as soon as they're deployed I just dont understand why that is

[robust thistle]

Youre talking about s1m3 myrtle with bagpipe

[tired pewter]

which operator?

[graceful vigil]

well maybe the furniture set is new so most of people use the new ones

[ancient lintel]

Hoshi2, isnt she our anniversary banner?

[somber coral]

most of them?

[young glacier]

There is 400 operators, we can't guess based on air

[coral knot]

Probably

[graceful vigil]

some are more generic furniture so youll see them more often

[tired pewter]

it's definitely not most of them. can you link a video where this is happening?

[robust thistle]

Do you know how little that narrows it down

[coral knot]

Probably IS relics or SA2 or fast redeploy or flagpipe

[lunar apex]

Honestly I was expcting them to have a buff for operators in dorm but I find those set are ugly

[somber coral]

okay like how does ulpi pops skill 3 as soon as hes deployed

[languid swallow]

Sounds IS ngl

[robust thistle]

S3m3

[coral knot]

SA2 skill 2

[young glacier]

IS initial SP relic shenanigans

[graceful vigil]

buff? you mean ambience? it is capped at some points

[robust thistle]

And yes SAlter

[lunar apex]

nah nah not the ambience

[tired pewter]

at mastery 3, ulpianus s3 is ready to activate almost soon as he's deployed
with silverash alter it's immediate

[lunar apex]

I mean buff for restoring their moral

[ancient lintel]

+18 initial SP
Mon3tr and ulpi can just spam their s3 cause when they use it it counts as redeploying them lmao

[graceful vigil]

well that comes from operators base skills, some have dorm base skills, furtinures dont

[somber coral]

I see I see I never knew specialization did this

now I see what all the hype is about

[robust thistle]

You can see that it reduces sp cost and increases initial SP

[lavish monolith]

Pay attention to the initial sp and anything that affecting it

[tired pewter]

mastery can reduce the SP cost and/or increase the initial SP

[lunar apex]

alright that means I wont buy those cheap set heh

[ancient lintel]

Use durin
+0.2 moral per hour

[somber coral]

yes I just didn't know what it was before

[robust thistle]

The more you knpw

[lunar apex]

I dont have durin
which class is durin again ?

[languid swallow]

Caster

[graceful vigil]

just buy that looks good or match yout vibe, some ppl take decorating base very seriously lol

[ancient lintel]

Durin is a 2* caster bruh, u should have her

[somber coral]

is myrlte cheaper to specialize I havent checked

[lunar apex]

wait oh........
I do have durin

[languid swallow]

2* gremlin

[lunar apex]

Yea I locked her in dorm

[lofty imp]

Quick q, does Shu need to be in the field for her talent stat buffs (hp up, atksp up, etc) to take effect?

[coral knot]

Anyway, do you have main story/side story? 190+ you could probably get both Hoshi 2 and Haruka. If you want to try Leizi2, that would be harder to get both. If you can farm still pulls, then it is easier to get both + Leizi, though you probably would miss mujica

[graceful vigil]

mischievous-

[coral knot]

For sui siblings sp recpvery no, i think for the other 2 you need though

[ancient lintel]

I still have content in year 3 4 5 and some year 6 that I havent participated yet

[somber coral]

what side stories have good operators

[graceful vigil]

you can pull on leizi2

[coral knot]

Kross2 and Tequilla

[somber coral]

not that and not gladii and lemun smth else

[graceful vigil]

invitation to wine
dossoles holiday
Heat of the Surging Flame
Stultifera Navis

[coral knot]

We dont have any really good welfare besides them i am pretty sure

[graceful vigil]

well if not those we dont have any goodwelfares

[somber coral]

man IS5 has one of the best welfares but it's not out yet

[ancient lintel]

I mean gladiia is pretty good with her X module, but then again it's too expensive to get gladiia modX lv2+

[graceful vigil]

huh?

[oak shale]

I'm assuming degenbrecher mod 1 is plenty?

[lunar apex]

vigil and people will say its shit dont do it

[graceful vigil]

tinman aint allat, is6 has raidian who is good if you meant that

[lavish monolith]

He meant Is6, raidian

[ancient lintel]

If ur talking about sui's grotesque garden that's IS6, not 5
IS5 is sarkaz furnace

[somber coral]

oh wait woops

[lavish monolith]

Mf didnt play ceobe. Understandable

[graceful vigil]

well it was experimental soo...

[coral knot]

On the future when Crownslayer event gets integrated, you could say she is worth it after module. Still, it is debatable

[graceful vigil]

she is still shit

[magic minnow]

would kroos alter + jessica or kroos alter + kroos be better? im a noob

[hexed adder]

It has number actually, not experimental

[graceful vigil]

anyways saying otherwise is just coping her some very niche use

[coral knot]

Kinda, but considering the welfare competition, she is fine actually

[lunar apex]

perhaps if she has some more decent dmg it would be on pars with texasalt

[ancient lintel]

She's also the first 6* welfare for an IS iirc

[graceful vigil]

limited vs welfare youbring a good point sire

[coarse notch]

shes still pretty bad, just not completely useless
and its not like texalt is relevant in endgame either

[coral knot]

Her damage is still shit, but her stun is actually decent

[lofty helm]

it's not worth farming lmd or exp stages right? I alrdy farmed event stages

[coral knot]

So she has niche usage

[ancient lintel]

I mean 18s perma stun lock on 3 targets sounds nice tho, but ye apart from that she doesnt do much

[lavish monolith]

Texas dmg sucks
S2 is still nice debuff on demand tho.

[coral knot]

She isnt Yato2, but she is fine

[somber coral]

normal jessica is mid just go with kroos alter and kroos

[graceful vigil]

you kno what is better? permastun with exu s2 and mr nothing

[coarse notch]

its technically not a permastun, they get some frames off still
and as soon as a 4th target enters her range it gets broken

[magic minnow]

tysm

[lofty helm]

i have to farm red certs right? and what do i buy with the excess red certs?

[graceful vigil]

and still i wont call it useful except for some very niche purpose

[lunar apex]

shes good at doing stun and thats it

[ancient lintel]

Mod blocks, and some welfares for base purposes like quartz

[coarse notch]

mod blocks, a copy of quartz and ethan if you havent already, then save for chip catalysts as needed

[graceful vigil]

sums it up yeah

[coral knot]

I agree, but she is still better than most welfarea

[abstract mauve]

calling normal jessica "mid" is crazy work

[coarse notch]

but just farm the event

[somber coral]

I dont remember if I asked but what's the weak point in my team

[lavish monolith]

true. buy mod block each month. you will need it

[somber coral]

what do you mean

[coral knot]

Wdym by weak point?

[graceful vigil]

a caster would be nice

[lunar apex]

medic perhaps
but most of them can handle without medic tbh

[lofty helm]

alrdy got quartz and ethan. alrdy bought all the mod blocks too. i got more than enough red certs remaining to buy chip catalysts too

[coarse notch]

then farm the event

[somber coral]

I have 2 medics

[ancient lintel]

The existence of wis and ulpi kinda deletes all "weak points" that you have lol

[coral knot]

Maybe switching hibiscus for Perfurmes or Susurro (even ansel is better than her tbh)

[coarse notch]

unless you got 200+ of the materials you should be farming the event

[lunar apex]

I mean i would get ptil instead of ansel

[abstract mauve]

mid loses it's meaning if you only refer to shit units as "mid". units so abysmal they are generally worse than a free unit of a lower rarity for 99.99% of players
there's words other than mid to refer to them

[graceful vigil]

hibi has more hps iirc

[somber coral]

so what do you want me to say

[abstract mauve]

shit. 👍

[somber coral]

instead of who

[lunar apex]

sorry, hibicus

[abstract mauve]

if 6* units can be mid. i can assure you there's several 4* and 5* units that are worse than mid

[lofty helm]

you mean 200+ of the materials from the event stages? i.e. the green water bottle, the sugar pack, the loxic kohl

[somber coral]

who's better by the way ptil, lumen or anything els

[graceful vigil]

how good is valarqvin at procing necro on elites/bosses with s2?

[coarse notch]

not

[coral knot]

Your comp is fine. You already have Wis and Trag who are competing for best character on the game with Exu2

[lofty helm]

i mean crystalline component by green water bottle

[coarse notch]

particularly crystalline, sugar, kohl, and manganese

[magic dome]

Having 2 of the current top 3 meta operators along with a strong unit like Ulpianus you'll be fine probably healer I suppose but overall you're good mate

[hexed adder]

Avoid green water bottle if possible and kohl ofc

[lofty helm]

yea i dont farm kohl cuz very inefficient

[coarse notch]

we're gonna get a gigantic dead week when leizialt and is6 drops at some point so you'll be free to farm other stuff then
for now focus on the event

[lunar apex]

Eyja berry would be the best so far
but we are getting haruka soon in hoshi alt banner
if you are talking about free medic then most would recommend ptil and silence
lumen is quite decent but I havent used him much

[graceful vigil]

whole decemeber is free if you look at it and yostar doesnt fuck up'

[coarse notch]

lumen isnt a good raise

[somber coral]

I will see what I can do about that I suppos

[lofty helm]

what other stuff should i be farming at that time?

[graceful vigil]

doesnt lumen has some like 430HPS, one of the best afk ones?

[coarse notch]

whatever you need, prefarm materials, chips, certs, skill books, for future ops

[hexed adder]

Rocks, red certs, skill books whatever u needs

[coarse notch]

afk healing demands are very low to begin with, and its not worth the 6 star cost

[abstract mauve]

he's still bad use of resources

[coarse notch]

overkill for afk, insufficient for actual healing checks

[graceful vigil]

i mean people still raise eyja alter only to use her s1 which is only a lil bit better, apart from ele healing

[coarse notch]

and you're paying 6 star tax

[graceful vigil]

is eyja main skill s3 then? ppl are just dumb?

[somber coral]

is hakura the best healer

[lunar apex]

yes

[abstract mauve]

heals multiple targets. she's a cheaper unit. and she heals elemental damage which comes up occasionally

[coarse notch]

her s1 is significantly better, doesnt need masteries at all, and doesnt get fucked over by stage conditions
and her s3 exists for some niche uses i guess

[split raven]

leizi worth m9?

[coarse notch]

at least m6 imo, s1/s2

[abstract mauve]

eyja is the only character that can actually deal with elemental bar damage

[somber coral]

the alt?

[graceful vigil]

well i think the multi target has an edge

[coarse notch]

well you cant m9 the nonalt operator so id assume so

[abstract mauve]

all 3 skills see uses. s2 still her main skill. when you get her, see if you use the other 2 skills

[graceful vigil]

2>3>1 is the mastery prio

[wispy peak]

why do some skills say unlimited duration while others say infinite?

[coarse notch]

more like 2>1>3

[magic dome]

I mean investing in only one healer where he can deal 922 hps (Lv90, idk if Lv60 probably 850ish?) seems a good investment to me in the long run, where you just need to bring Ansel/Hibiscus once in awhile. I speak from experienced, used him all the way to Ch15. Includes intermezzo, side stories, general content wise. Most stages Lumen solo healer is enough

[abstract mauve]

s2 > s3/s1 imo. both s3 and s1 are situational. s3 might come up if you wanna maximize damage. s1 comes up for spamming frighten

[graceful vigil]

well i was talking keeping is6 in mind

[median fable]

s1 has seen more usage at least, fair to rate it higher than s3

[somber coral]

ima just get the better healer that will release in a bit

[coarse notch]

wacky localization probably

[abstract mauve]

that "more usage" is just ccb4

[median fable]

s3 was used only in is6 for hit count and I remember m3 not being required

[magic dome]

Ofcourse Haruka>

[graceful vigil]

thats what i said lol, i had is6 in mind

[median fable]

and arkrec 🤫

[abstract mauve]

🥹

[graceful vigil]

ew u dont use bili?

[humble nova]

is fang alter good?

[coarse notch]

not really

[abstract mauve]

not really

[graceful vigil]

high investment no

[lunar apex]

but her skin is pretty cute

[median fable]

what should I do, check manually each video and see what they use?

[coarse notch]

leizialt s1 stocks if ccb4 didnt exist 📉

[coarse notch]

not like arkrec doesnt link to bilibili clears anyways

[split raven]

so s2m3>s1m3 and mod3?

[graceful vigil]

for general player yes

[median fable]

s2m3 and stop, anything more depends on what you want to use

if you don't know there is no need to do more masteries

[coarse notch]

s1 is great but being realistic here most people arent seeing its ccb4 application

[median fable]

the same for s3

[graceful vigil]

ccb4 is so op gated

[abstract mauve]

most people who ask questions here would likely be very happy with s1 doing 3k damage per hit

[coarse notch]

well when you go for max risk low op count you inherently gate yourself

[median fable]

s1 high dph can sees usage even outside ccb4, hard to say the same for s3 imo

[graceful vigil]

matter of fact most people would be heels over head watching her s1 destroy ptriot lol

[median fable]

but as said, just do s2 and see yourself if you want to do additional masteries which one it will be

[split raven]

what about mod? lvl1 or lvl3?

[graceful vigil]

mod 2/3

[lone valley]

Just m9 leizi like a real pro
I heard its broken

[coral knot]

S3 is map dependent, what sucks

[lunar apex]

yea it doesnt hit flying enemies

[idle pollen]

Who has the fastest base as and who has the fast as with a skill active?

Is there a list somewhere?

[graceful vigil]

?

[lone valley]

She does hit flying
Just her balls dont

[idle pollen]

Attack speed -> (AS)

[lone valley]

What can this possibly mean

[coral knot]

S1 is more for stall, so it will probably be way more usable for CC

[graceful vigil]

exu2 probs with steal

[lunar apex]

then the s3 limited by map is kinda ahh
wdym attack doesnt affect high ground

[coral knot]

Dorothy

[bitter anvil]

I think they mean aspd

[lone valley]

Fastest base is trapmasters with 0.85
Fastest on skill is like, idk, exu2 or ceobe

[coral knot]

With active skill is Exu2 with steal

[idle pollen]

Oh yeah the steal

How is that targeted?

[lone valley]

Taunt > last deployed

[coral knot]

Most recent deployed

[crude ginkgo]

i realy should be rolling ulpi no?

[lunar apex]

if u want to

[turbid ocean]

See pins

[idle pollen]

Wym taunt?

Like mylnar ?

[bitter anvil]

check pull prio in pins

[graceful vigil]

if your pulls >200

[lone valley]

No
The AH squad doesnt matter lmao

[severe crypt]

Wow light ril mod now

[coral knot]

Ulpi is good id you like him, but i'd say he is the less valuable banner on the next 6 months (idk about that new cn sup)

[lunar apex]

bro still in training

[split raven]

should I pull Haruka if I have monchan?

[graceful vigil]

what do mod do? are they like helpers?

[lone valley]

All my friends here

[bitter anvil]

the banner itself is a good banner, rcmd to pull. Also check pull prio in pins

[lone valley]

Unpaid employment

[lunar apex]

told you to shut up for posting unrelated stuff in #help and keep the server clean

[graceful vigil]

i see

[crude ginkgo]

guess il hold for hoshi2 banner then

[coral knot]

Did Leizi come right after Ulpi on CN?

[median fable]

dark blue name buff

[graceful vigil]

yes

[lone valley]

*debuff

[coral knot]

IS6 is very close then, dang

[graceful vigil]

yes likely in december

[split raven]

can sakiko powercreep thorn1?

[lone valley]

Only a mild one thankfully, not like..that other one

[graceful vigil]

ofc

[turbid ocean]

Please see channel rule 5

[coral knot]

By a lot

[lone valley]

Hes been powercrept dozen times over sir

[crude ginkgo]

wait is6 soon? guess il nead to finnaly do is5

[turbid ocean]

we dont know

IS dont go away

[crude ginkgo]

i know

[graceful vigil]

im not speculating tho am i? i have evidence

[turbid ocean]

Evidence?

If its not in #game-news

Its either datamined or speculation

[graceful vigil]

wiki is not official?

[turbid ocean]

No

[graceful vigil]

oh okay, mb then

[lunar apex]

wiki doesnt always take from official source, they might just datamined that too

[lone valley]

Your honor, you wasnt even there

[coral knot]

Sakiko is the first character to straight powercreep Thorns i guess (as lord with unlimited skill with good range that can deal both arts and physical damage). But Thorns havent been good in a while

[lunar apex]

not the first

[maiden plover]

should i swap anyone for another healer or is ptil and saria healing is already good enough?

[graceful vigil]

people would still say "oh but he was so clucth in this stage i did" lol, mf usebetter ops

[graceful vigil]

ptilop alone is enough idk what sail is doing tho

[coral knot]

If you are lacking healing on a specific stage, you can swap someone like Tequilla for another healer, but usually these 2 are enough healing

[turbid ocean]

Saileach is their only vanguard what are you on about

[coral knot]

Saileach is good if you dont have Ines

[knotty wave]

dude, thorns is such a lowbar that a lot of ops can do his job better

[maiden plover]

[graceful vigil]

why is she raised should be my question when someone like canta/surfer or uh myrtle could be built

[turbid ocean]

Thorns been powercrept
That team would replace Saria or Sash

I mean Saileach is still a very good vanguard lol

[lunar apex]

saileach is a better flagbearer than myrtle

[turbid ocean]

Albeit niche and expensive investment

[humble arrow]

is pot 1 sail better than pot 6 myrtle tho

[coral knot]

Yes, but Saileach is just so much expensive

[abstract mauve]

more telling about how bad the vanguard scene is rather than how good saileach is 😇

[graceful vigil]

well from the time ive been talking here, people are very concerned about investments so i was also a bit sceptical

[hexed adder]

Myrtle does nothing

[coral knot]

Is there anyone who can one cycle chapter 15 last boss?

[lunar apex]

if there is anything then his team doesnt need that much guard

[hollow sparrow]

sail is already e2

[graceful vigil]

i get it!

[coral knot]

Maybe he built her for CCB4, who knows?

(Joke btw)

[abstract mauve]

i wanted to make a crass comment on his chances of doing ccb4 effectively. but i held myself back

[graceful vigil]

there is this meme clear with logos s1

[lone valley]

Solo i think no, or surtr can? I think it was
Or also lemuen now
But duos lot of ops

[turbid ocean]

Like solo?

Oh I was thinking only H15-4

[knotty wave]

Marcille s3 can 1 cast H15-4

[graceful vigil]

duo just use ela plus exu2

[turbid ocean]

Lemuen can prob do 15-20

[abstract mauve]

15-20 lemu does ye

[coral knot]

I am not talking about H stages, i am talking for auto deploy

[lone valley]

Marcille so broken
Do i s3m3

[knotty wave]

sl7 is enuf to kill prts

[lone valley]

Why would you auto deploy that shit

[lunar apex]

maxed upgrade or e2 lv60 sl7 ?

[coral knot]

Lacking 15-20 material

[graceful vigil]

marcille so broken she isnt even brought up, thorns is brought up more

[lone valley]

That being what

[turbid ocean]

I mean why would you leave Lemu at SL7

[lone valley]

Niren incident
Or the other guy, i forgot

[coral knot]

Cyclicene

[lunar apex]

I dont have the mats to mastery her skill yet

[lone valley]

Surely theres a better stage for it

[coral knot]

Lemuen is pretty expensive

[lone valley]

Wtf it really is in the farming sheet

[graceful vigil]

well behold leizi who needs 80gel, i hope youre ready

[coral knot]

I aint pulling Leizi

[graceful vigil]

fake af

[lone valley]

181 t3, 19 t4, gel onn hand and ready

M9 mod3 lvl90

[scenic yoke]

Texas alt mod worth?

[coral knot]

Not fake, my resources are destined to Hoshi2 < Ave > SA2 > Mantra

[graceful vigil]

lvl1, wait for dp refund mod

[lone valley]

Pulling shitra over leizi is mental work

[coral knot]

I like Mantra

[graceful vigil]

then you will like nasty? i presume

[lone valley]

i, not y
Pls

[graceful vigil]

auto correct nasti*

[abstract mauve]

nasty kit isnt released yet. so we can only

[lone valley]

Artificier in the age of dps
Unless shes trag lvl broken she'll be the biggest skip of a year

[graceful vigil]

she looking mid fromtrailer

[abstract mauve]

what did trailer even show

[safe tundra]

can you deactivate toggle skills (exu s2 or ulpian s3) on full overload

[graceful vigil]

giving shield lol

[lone valley]

That her s2 can give barrier and thats it

[lunar apex]

wdym full overload

[coral knot]

I will be saving for Monster Hunter collab when Nasti arrives most likely

[safe tundra]

its a limiter in TFN that reduces redeploy, DP and SP but everyone auto uses skill

[scenic yoke]

Just got her worth or not? 6 Star casters are usually not that great

[ancient lintel]

[graceful vigil]

ew, get her off

[lunar apex]

sneklady

[coral knot]

She is pretty bad

[lone valley]

Garbage
Peak jp va tho

[hexed adder]

Bad day

[ancient lintel]

she's bad, like very bad, idk if she's worse than like carnelian tho

[lunar apex]

better than carne imo

[graceful vigil]

carnelian is good in is5

[scenic yoke]

Damn

[abstract mauve]

carnelian has potential for a good IS mod. sadly hool already has an IS mod so she doesnt

[graceful vigil]

for niche comps

[knotty wave]

with nasti being in the mid archetype, our pulls can finally rest

[ancient lintel]

is her IS mod also bad?

[coral knot]

She is definitely better than Carnelian, but Carnelian is so bad that it doesnt even count

[graceful vigil]

we pull for lizard

[safe tundra]

pls we already have potential man as limited unit

[graceful vigil]

potential man?

[scenic yoke]

I am not talking about mods or m3. But who should I focus on giving levels next

[abstract mauve]

ill ask the IS nerds. it just looks like shit angelina. it's interesting for sure but not needed

[hexed adder]

U wont get carnelian atleast cause u not pulling kernel

[coral knot]

Surtr

[graceful vigil]

surtr hoe

[coral knot]

Surtr > Hoe > Penance > GG > Typhon

[safe tundra]

penance over GG is slightly not it

[lunar apex]

unlock mod for trad

[coral knot]

I said Penance (or mudrock) cause you lack solo laners

[safe tundra]

and you dont need solo laners?

[lunar apex]

both expensive, just get hoe

[scenic yoke]

Just did, had to get money from base

[abstract mauve]

got some confirmation from the IS channel. yeah it's awful 😭

[severe crypt]

Penance is at the baaack of that list

[hexed adder]

Doesn't matter with that team

[coral knot]

You need, thats why i said Penance before GG

[safe tundra]

[severe crypt]

Penance fell off 🥱

[coral knot]

Both GG and Penance fell off tbh

[severe crypt]

All the more reason to bench the both of them

[graceful vigil]

can you both stop fighting and kiss alr?

[ancient lintel]

damn
arguably queen of trash ngl

[coral knot]

Thats another option

[lone valley]

Ho'ol? Yeah
Horridbad, same levels if not worse than dusk

[safe tundra]

GG is still a primary dps. even in the face of logos lappdumb and necrass shes still damage addition which is always good coz the modern meta apparently is to stack more damage

[coral knot]

She is fine is chase of no other caster, but she is pretty mid if you have other casters

[lone valley]

Penance sucks balls, dont raise
Typhon sucks balls, dont raise
Hoe raise if youre IS5 lover
GG not that great now but not bad raise

There, i'll do it for you, kids

[safe tundra]

[severe crypt]

Thanks fre

[lone valley]

Give the full name you shithead

[safe tundra]

frederickson fazbear SK the 15th

[lone valley]

I know where you live, rdp

[graceful vigil]

gg is good because logos cant attack while tlk is freezing his ass, but gg cutely keeps aattacking

[lone valley]

Damn, gg tlk tech in the age of catbait🥱

[safe tundra]

at least youre actually baited

[coral knot]

GG for TLK is... idk

[abstract mauve]

gg tlk tech in the age of erato

[coral knot]

I can think of at least 10 better drafts for TLK specifically

[safe tundra]

ceobe bruteforce

[graceful vigil]

trago ela:
tlk dead in a ditch

[coral knot]

Perma freeze Ceobe

[safe tundra]

exactly why i said bruteforce

[fiery lynx]

weedy ange. push him back to the stone age

[wispy quail]

returning player here (quit for ~1year). if i missed tragodia banner, anyone knows how or when i can get him again?

[safe tundra]

there will be a rerun in a year

[coral knot]

There is a chance he is coming at next reorienteering

[graceful vigil]

skillfully offrate

[abstract mauve]

also shows up in an orienteering banner on CN. but we dont know if that will happen on EN

[wispy quail]

wasnt there some sort of selectors coming every 6month or so, where one could select a standard unit?

[graceful vigil]

yostar will give us anything? i dont think so

[wispy quail]

what again is orienteering banner?

[coral knot]

If you are talking about reorienteering, it is not guaranteed that he is appearing on next reorienteering

[graceful vigil]

6 ops pick 3 for rateup

[abstract mauve]

the orienteering banners are so cracked that it would genuinely be hard to make them bad

they'd have to remove like 4 of the 6 units 😭

[graceful vigil]

eben hoe vina stainless entel thornsalt, banger

[lone valley]

Next one will feature garbage just for you pookie

[coral knot]

Orienteering tends to be bait

[lone valley]

Because you deserve nothing but the best

[abstract mauve]

i offrated logos and ascalon. so yeah... unfortunately it probably will be

[unique grail]

Why do all my ops in ra have -1 block?

[abstract mauve]

check the season debuff

[lone valley]

Monsoon weather

[wispy quail]

in earlier times i used gamepress as ressource.. is there any site etc. which u can recommend me, where i can see current meta / top performing units etc?

[coral knot]

Though if we get that Logos/Mon3tr/Ascalon/Ray orienteering that would be a good banner

[abstract mauve]

i mean that was what they had for CN. i imagine that's what you are referencing

[fiery lynx]

There is a thing called ||ask #help for recommendations. Tier list is bad||

[unique grail]

Ohhhh

[coral knot]

Thats why "if"

[lone valley]

"If" you all would shut up, i'd be very happy

[abstract mauve]

there's a ulpi tragodia mlynar narantuya one too

[coral knot]

Just ask here. Tierlists usually dont consider specific situations

[humble arrow]

You can search online

If you really want to just search online

Although not reccommended there are still tier lists online being updated so you can have a gist of the game's characters

[visual hinge]

online tier list are bad, i see mylnar and thorns being on the same tier

[humble arrow]

Thats just a bad tier list

[abstract mauve]

bagpipe and thornsalter on the same tier as ray ascalon and ulpianus

[turbid ocean]

almost all tier lists are bad

[lavish monolith]

almost all player are bad.
-# only 2% of the players that manages to clear VEC-12. It isn't even that hard.

[severe crypt]

2%?????

[median fable]

is it vec 12 for the trim or in general?

[humble arrow]

You say tier list are bad but there is a pretty solid tier list in your head when you give reccommendations out to newer players, can easily instantly say when someone is better than another operator. At that point just make a tier list for each content type no?

[turbid ocean]

re-read the statistic details

[lavish monolith]

Wait lemme grab

[severe crypt]

I refuse to believe 2%

[humble arrow]

it should be more than 2% after buffs

[turbid ocean]

its clear through vec12 without any supply stages

[severe crypt]

Ohhhh buffless vec12

[median fable]

now it makes much more sense

[somber coral]

why is everyone ignoring the dps that tragodia can put out

[hollow sparrow]

because it's not that much

[turbid ocean]

Because its piss nothing

[median fable]

because overall it's kinda negligible

[graceful vigil]

cn someone tell me the distance travelled formula for weedy s3?

[somber coral]

it's pretty good cuz of elemental unjury

[abstract mauve]

lmao

[humble arrow]

it also doesnt scale into roguelike gamemodes very well

[turbid ocean]

Mechanics sheet in the pins
Shift mechanics on wiki too might be simpler

[severe crypt]

You have terribly low standards for “good” dmg then

[turbid ocean]

elemental injury isn't damage
elemental damage is the result of injury bar popping

[graceful vigil]

🍻

[somber coral]

yeah he pops it easly

[turbid ocean]

[severe crypt]

[turbid ocean]

And when it pops it does 7K flat damage

Jackshit

[somber coral]

instakilling most enemies

[lavish monolith]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G6008pibgAAiWwi.jpg
There you go.

[turbid ocean]

It means you're not playing anything difficult

End of discussion

[humble arrow]

it kills trash mobs only really

[hollow sparrow]

it'll only be instakilling trash mobs

any op can do that

[somber coral]

bro is the entire main story just em or what

[lavish monolith]

it is buffless vec-12, ye

[severe crypt]

Then 2% makes total sense

[somber coral]

by the way will the operator in the current event thing ever rerun cuz like I cannot do 25 levels of that

[severe crypt]

Ulpi? No he won’t rerun

[humble arrow]

but most people wont even think to play buffless no? bc you dont get any rewards really

[somber coral]

no not that

[severe crypt]

Who then

[somber coral]

in the event where you fight stages in waves

[coral knot]

Tragodia isnt supposed tp be a damage dealer

[hollow sparrow]

that's a skin

[visual hinge]

Annihilation?

[severe crypt]

That is indeed a skin

[turbid ocean]

I hate to break it to you but main story is piss easy

If you struggle its because you're new

[somber coral]

it's not that I struggle some stages just catch me off guard

[coral knot]

But his s3 damage isnt all that bad, but most dps will still deal way more damage

[graceful vigil]

except some stages thta will take you to stop and think for a moment but compared to high end yes

[graceful vigil]

hit and trial is the way, read mechanics

[somber coral]

I know

[visual hinge]

borrow wisadel to solve ur problems

[somber coral]

im gonna need to specialize myrlte skill 1

[severe crypt]

No you don’t

[graceful vigil]

no you dont

[somber coral]

how do I get more DP then

[visual hinge]

why do u need more DP ? myrtle is plenty enough

[coral knot]

You dont need to mastery myrtle s1, but considering it is very cheap to do so, it is not that bad in chase you dont have better vanguards

[young glacier]

Just learn to not need 342 DP on 5th second of map, 90% of map just don't do shit for like half minute

[lavish monolith]

Day 1 clear has a really shitty buff. Like +10 dp, +1 bubble device etc. and you need to garrison your ops for that. Might as well play it buffless. Cus you wont bother unlocking them aside for the points.

[somber coral]

my good dps stuff costs plently

[median fable]

do you have Exu2 perhaps?

[somber coral]

I wouldn't be complaining if that was the case

[visual hinge]

share ur roster perhaps

[turbid ocean]

Just Myrtle Cantabile Surfer Ines if you have any of those

[bright verge]

is reed alter module worth it?

[somber coral]

again? alr bet

[visual hinge]

people here can fix it

[median fable]

generally, fang+myrtle e1 is enough

[severe crypt]

Completely fine modless

[somber coral]

here take a look
yes I know my medics are bad

[median fable]

...

[severe crypt]

You have mountain and complain about dp???

[safe tundra]

[coral knot]

Why did you l40 myrtle?

[somber coral]

why not

[spare pelican]

Who should i elite 2/ or should i save my mats/money/Exp for haruka?

[lavish monolith]

For module,

[coral knot]

Ines > SA

Also Ptilo

[somber coral]

he cannot block all the paths

[severe crypt]

Where’s tequila

[coral knot]

I dont even know what Myrtle module does

[visual hinge]

where is ur tequilla and ptilopsis?

[somber coral]

what is tequilla gonna do

[severe crypt]

Jackshit pretty much

[coral knot]

Ptilo is l30

[turbid ocean]

Do you not have Ptilopsis?

[somber coral]

I do have it I just havent upgraded her enough

[safe tundra]

grant other operator 1 block which actually contributes to killing your team, and gigasmall amount of HP regen on only vanguards

[lavish monolith]

Flag module isnt worth it at all.
+1 block for the units in front of them while activating a skill.

[turbid ocean]

Tequila would be doing more than Kroos but its also kind of just fine

[somber coral]

he can hit air??

[turbid ocean]

Wisadel will brute for everything till you get a 6* to replace her

Kroos2 is the only air you should need

[somber coral]

free blocks 🥶

[coral knot]

He spent the e2 voucher on Lapp. Where did you spend your l80 voucher?

[somber coral]

I havent

[spare pelican]

Didnt got it yet

[coral knot]

Did you spend your e2 voucher on Grace?

[turbid ocean]

Lvl 80 voucher doesn't matter tbh

Its whatever

[somber coral]

im pretty sure you arleady said that I spent it on lapp

[turbid ocean]

Myrtle should be fine as is

Myrtle Mountain and can probably open any map

[coral knot]

I am talking about corashi

[safe tundra]

it does for scene

[somber coral]

oh alr

[visual hinge]

save cert for Ines

[spare pelican]

Yeah, someone told to me to use on her 😭 she was reallt good he said

[turbid ocean]

What does it do for scene

[somber coral]

that's what im doing

[turbid ocean]

buggy stats?

[safe tundra]

same way level does for l*ng and summon / statstick yes

[coral knot]

Ines will probably take some time to rerun. Though saving is good cause Mlynar

[somber coral]

do I really need more dps?

[coral knot]

Not for now

I am saving my l80 voucher for Greyy

[turbid ocean]

more DPS is the gen content meta

literally 10 dps maybe a healer maybe a vanguard

[hearty geyser]

mlynar gold cert shop when

[spare pelican]

In who should i use it

[safe tundra]

missed the bus man

[hearty geyser]

when

[coral knot]

Er... maybe save for Greyy? Idk

[somber coral]

gold cert wisadel when

[ancient current]

never

[spare pelican]

Who is greyy

[ancient current]

greyy the lightningbearer

[safe tundra]

[coral knot]

Greyy alter

[ancient current]

5* flinger

[turbid ocean]

Greyy2 is decent for a 5*
but still a 5*

[spare pelican]

Ok when Is he coming

[ancient current]

he already did

[somber coral]

why is flinger also called annihilation specialist

[turbid ocean]

no reason for general player to build him unless luck is in the gutter

[coral knot]

We are getting a selector with him very soon

[ancient current]

when he'll be available on standard rotating banner? we have zero clue

[spare pelican]

Okok nicee

[lunar apex]

or IS ?

[safe tundra]

well hes among hundreds of 5* so you cant exactly expect his rateup

[turbid ocean]

yes hes good for IS5

[ancient current]

but yes the selector has him
however it's better to use that one on proviso if you dont have her

[spare pelican]

For anniversry? Im saving for haruka AND the tank is coming with her

[ancient current]

unless youre an IS addict idk

still

[somber coral]

also lappland is the priority for 5 star vouncher cuz it also gives trust for 6 star lappland 🤔 🤔???

[turbid ocean]

Like playing IS for Lvl 155 completion doesn't count lol

[coral knot]

Proviso for base reasons is good

[turbid ocean]

tip of the iceberg

[ancient current]

no

[turbid ocean]

Selector Proviso easily

[safe tundra]

noone said this

[visual hinge]

aren't we getting a 5* selector with proviso for anni ?

[ancient current]

yes

[coral knot]

But Greyy is still a great choice for all IS, so i am getting him

[lunar apex]

I will go with nymph

[ancient current]

that was my point

[safe tundra]

what would the objective angle be if you already own pr*viso

[turbid ocean]

Greyy is not great for all IS

only IS5

[somber coral]

lappalt is standard?

[safe tundra]

no lol

[lunar apex]

limited

[somber coral]

so I can get her on heishialt banner?

[coral knot]

He is fine for IS3 and 4

[lunar apex]

no but sash alt banner have her

[somber coral]

then what does that limited banner have

[turbid ocean]

"Fine" doesn't cut it

[lunar apex]

idk, go check yt if u really want to see it

[coral knot]

Eyja2, Gavial, Chen and Pepe

[turbid ocean]

You build operators for IS if you try hard IS

[somber coral]

are they guud

[coral knot]

Er...

[turbid ocean]

If you tryhard IS then you probably aren't drafting something medicore for no reason

[ancient current]

I mean he still works well in is4 🥹

[turbid ocean]

Greyy2 is broken in IS5 and fine in the rest

[safe tundra]

does nicheknight in IS count as tryhard

[turbid ocean]

I mean works and actually good is very different

[ancient current]

counts as deranged (me)

well ya

[turbid ocean]

Nicheknights is its own bubble your rules you do whatever

[somber coral]

ch'en has aura is her skill 3 that one sword thing?

[coral knot]

Pepe is mid, Gavial is old, Chen is fine, but she is a sniper, Eyja for general play is getting powercreept by Haruka

Probably the worst banner for Spark, so DONT

[turbid ocean]

Chen guard is garbage

[somber coral]

why is being a sniper a disadvantage

[coral knot]

Too much competition

[turbid ocean]

Chen guards a swordsmaster.. presume all of her skills involve swords...

[lunar apex]

it has nothing to do with sniper
she just cost alot of dp

[turbid ocean]

The competition of Chalter being sniper only matters in IS

[somber coral]

oh wait yall mean chen alter

[turbid ocean]

but general play any class is fine

But her damage isn't very good or up to 2025 standard

[somber coral]

but aint chen alter from summer event

[turbid ocean]

Summer for CN + 6 months = Januaryish for EN

[somber coral]

oh wait fair enough

[coral knot]

Considering he is a 5*, he is still a good draft cause less hope

[turbid ocean]

I consider that a waste of hope

[coarse notch]

well most 5 stars are a utter waste of hope unless they're a tech draft

[safe tundra]

he still reeks non-6* especially when hes a dps

[coral knot]

Tbh he is still probably the besr draft for any 5* on all IS

[turbid ocean]

Either you have a set purpose or you're a waste

[ancient current]

that is only the case for a few 5* realistically
im not gonna draft tomimi just because she's "less hope"

[turbid ocean]

Well obviously hes one of the good 5*
But doesn't mean you should just draft 5*

[somber coral]

cant they just give 5 stars 2 talents

[turbid ocean]

[gentle brook]

do casters with offensive recovery skills exist? (except for steward)

[lavish monolith]

but you draft tomimi for other reason

[ancient current]

some of them do have 2 talents but idk how thats relevant

[coral knot]

I am not talking about all 5*, i am talking about Greyy

[coarse notch]

use tomimi.dev, only mantra has off recovery

[somber coral]

to make them more unique instead of them copying 4 stars?

[radiant mirage]

what's texas alter skill prio?

[turbid ocean]

Yes and greyy doesn't do enough damage for how much hope he costs outside of IS5

👍

[ancient current]

well thats an entirely different issue

[hallow swift]

2-3

[somber coral]

they cost as much as 6 star and perform as much as 4 star that's an issue

[coarse notch]

s3, only do s2 if you know what you're doing

[turbid ocean]

Not going to keep arguing you can draft whatever you like
Don't shill it here saying its for all IS

[radiant mirage]

how come

[somber coral]

also is tequilla just mini mlynar

[turbid ocean]

You can shill Greyy for IS5 sure hes better than 80% of the 6* roster there

yes...

[coarse notch]

s3 is her main skill, you pretty much only use s2 for the res shred

[turbid ocean]

S3 is stun skill with some range
S2 is just pure damage, can be more damage but ngl Tex2 damage hardly means anything now a days

[coarse notch]

5 stars are the testing rarity, thats just how it is, no point in debating hg's operator design methodology

[turbid ocean]

might as well just take the stun

[safe tundra]

s3 is a more generalist skill that provides multitarget damage and stun, good for panic situations

[visual hinge]

Leizi2 is mylnar sidegrade if u have lot of pulls (like atleast 200+) for hoshi alter, you can try for her

[ancient current]

tex2 damage when she explodes 1 second after deployment

👍

[coarse notch]

id say if you're on track to have over 150 pulls on hoshialt you're good to at least try on leizialt

[somber coral]

I might just try to use yellow creds for mlynar at this point

[ancient current]

mlynar was in shop not long ago no

[coral knot]

Texas is still fine cause we barely have any good fast redeploy units

[abstract mauve]

rechord hiiiiiiii
did you try out nowell yet? how is he?

[somber coral]

who wans't in the shop not too long ago dang

[safe tundra]

ines isnt even 2 weeks ago

[turbid ocean]

Tex2 is fine but not great

Barely have FRD doesn't mean you need to use them

[coral knot]

You can check what characters are possibly coming to shop

[radiant mirage]

that's fair, i only really need texas alter for target killing elites or troublesome enemies in weird spots but i don't really need her, i pull her off banner and haven't built her yet because my main team is already overloaded

[ancient current]

shileds hiiiiiiiiii
uh, he's e0, i kinda havent been raising many ops lately
tried him once in is5 as temp, and errrrrrr
kinda sucks

[somber coral]

ins't tragodia just better texas alt

[coral knot]

Though i am not sure if any of the upcoming shop units is worth it

[turbid ocean]

You can use akgcc to check gold cert history and you will know whats in rotation

[safe tundra]

light has memorized the ip grabber technique

[abstract mauve]

fair enough. questions about him came up and there's only so many people who ever even considered building nowell

[frank talon]

Texas alt and Tragidoia are two very different operators

[ancient current]

tell them the following: (template)
[5* therapist] sucks

[safe tundra]

i tried getting nowell but got a woman

[lone valley]

No, well
What did u expect

[safe tundra]

[ancient current]

i was wondering how many of these templates i could make,
but it all boiled down to
[5*] sucks
in the end

[coral knot]

Probably best choice for gold cert shop is wait until Mlynar or Ines rerun or Ascalon/Logos arrive (what will probably take a long time)

[safe tundra]

still has more attention than recruitment pool

[coral knot]

Recruitment pool...

[serene jasper]

am I just supposed to keep repeating stages for rest?

[coral knot]

Does anyone have the list of next characters that will join Kernel banner?

[quick jolt]

yeah basically, i just did tn-4 like 6 times or smth

i think spectacular gives same exp as ultimate so just do spec

[coral knot]

Btw, i saw people complaining that got Kernel characters on standard spook. Did HG fix it or sent rewards for players?

[quick jolt]

its yostars fuckup not hg. knowing yostar, they did not fix it and will not be sending anyone rewards

wouldnt be surprised if its just silently fixed next banner, also wouldnt be surprised if its still a issue in like 4 months

[ancient current]

it was this i think

[quick jolt]

also yeah didnt they only move like, half of year 3, or was i tripping

[coral knot]

Did all year 3 join Kernel?

[quick jolt]

they were supposed to and instead just got removed from standard and added back to standard

supposedly. which is apparently the reason they now appear after tragodia in the list

[ancient current]

i don't know, didn't check the banners

[serene jasper]

did kelsey ever come on the kernel banner yet?

[quick jolt]

like a year ago

[coral knot]

Only the fact that Fartooth, Saileach and Mizuki soon wont be appearing on my pulls is fine

[ancient current]

she was in one at least ya
not that long ago because i remember buying p6

[quick jolt]

if u mean shop yes its been 1 time

[serene jasper]

is she in the kernel selector banner thingy?

[quick jolt]

she could be

[ancient current]

that depends

kernel locating pools are "random", and change every time

[quick jolt]

pretty sure its just a random 12 from kernel pool

[ancient current]

we don't know in advance who's there

[serene jasper]

ic, thank you

[brave karma]

is phantom good in any IS or only in a specific IS? also how good is he exactly in IS? i never tested him

[frank crypt]

for the investigation why are there time where the buff flower never gives me the chance to activate it

[somber coral]

what is kernel even

[nimble kite]

Old ops separation.

To have better chances pull something new and relevant instead of old outdated shit.

[stark gulch]

from what ive been told hes ok in IS but if you have someone like yato alt youll probably never use phantom for IS

[quick jolt]

hes fine but like no real reason to draft him

[frosty cobalt]

Any base slaves ? (+Which sniper is good for IS 5-6)

[ancient current]

bubble e1,
uh that's it from memory

there were ambriel and caper e1 but they weren't that impactful iirc

[frosty cobalt]

Skip it is then

[torpid quail]

What do you M3 on entelachia?

[ancient current]

s3

i saw people shilling s2 but forgot how impactful masteries are for this one

[torpid quail]

So S2 worth only with masteries?

[ancient current]

that's not what I meant

s2 is sometimes used but i forgot if it works fine at sl7

[torpid quail]

Oh. Gotcha, ty

[pale frigate]

is 565 the attack needed for tragodia to proc element on a boss with cat at mod3

[merry lake]

hey, this is all but a show off...whaled in earlier times but stopped spending and couldnt get exu alter and tragodia: https://imgur.com/a/VRWy5IB // on my alt i got no pot 6s..but all current meta units including exu alter and tragodia and 300 pulls left. on my main i only got 1k orondrum left ... could anyone estimate how much ill struggle with my main in current/upcoming content without exu alter and tragodia and with zero pull ressources left? wondering if i should keep playing main as main or swap my alt as new main acc . glad for expert help.

[burnt tree]

holy bagpipe

[stark gulch]

youre not gonna struggle at all with your account, its not that much harder than it was years ago, as long as you use a squad with functional units then itll be fine

[burnt tree]

i can't lie at one point you simply can't struggle in content anymore, even including medium-high risk cc, even if it's an account with only kernel unit.
so like the real question is "which account do you enjoy playing more"

[gleaming sigil]

who are good trading post partners for degenbrecher? (for every 5 order limit increase, +25% order acquisition)

[burnt tree]

if you like exu alt and tragodia because of their gameplay, and you want to use those shiny 300 pulls for even newer unit to have fun, feel free to switch account

[brazen gulch]

Anyone have the link for the resource farm cheatsheet?

[stark gulch]

personally i would keep the old/main account since you have more built units and more freedom in strategy but yeah if you really like using the new ops on your new account then go with that

[merry lake]

high risk cc i always copy/pasted youtube guides. what i always enjoyed by far the most was IS ... thats why i also build like every unit on the main, to give everyone a try, if i would get them there.. but yeah stopped at one point, when i found events and so on a bit tedious/hard...

and i just read that tragodia is brutally broken (slept on him)..so no idea how much loss he is (for an average player), as i dont pull off big brain plays xD

[burnt tree]

there's this function called "borrowing unit"

[merry lake]

so im wondering if it would be more convenient playing acc with exu and tragodia regarding game difficulty

i would describe myself as gamer dad, who know is a bit more responsible regarding gaming budget (just 10-20$ a month) 😄

[stark gulch]

if you just want to use guides for events itd be easier to play with the old account and then borrow one new op
the old account is also better for IS (in terms of having fun) because you have all those ops, and you can borrow one op at the start like trag/exu2

[ancient current]

remember to avoid unnecessary media

[brazen gulch]

that cat image was crucial, now the entire us economy will fall apart. what have you done...

[white kraken]

Worth building GG S3 and her mod for burn and global damage?

[somber coral]

silverash is old

[burnt tree]

what do you mean by convenient? like afk guide? low step? what level of trade off between "handholding difficulty" vs "afk" do you personally prefer? do you like IS with only one new unit? what is your personal priority between "lack of unit" vs "lack of new unit" do you like, how do you weigh it?
my point is that i personally believe that this isn't a question that we could answer, and i think it's fundamentally just up to personal preference.
and also like you could just keep both account and rotate them

[ancient lintel]

It's fun but nah I dont think it's necessary, do you have any other ones apart from GG to upgrade?

[merry lake]

yeah i most likely prefered ,,afk'' difficulty at events and high CC .. .only gamemode where i enjoyed my way is/wwas always IS

[white kraken]

Gnosis in CC, Jaye and SA in TP is 121%

[burnt tree]

oh you don't need to reply to me, this is mostly all hypothetical for you to think about, worst case scenario just try both out

[white kraken]

Not really. Just building off meta now so I'll just save I guess

[stark gulch]

in terms of worth probably not, in most if not all stages theres a stronger alternative
it is a functional combo though so if you dont have any other build priorities then its a decent investment (gg mod levels are kinda bad tho iirc so youll probably end up with mod1 or smth)

[summer aspen]

hey guys lol i took a long break and came back just now so I guess I missed all of the good units... anything meta changing coming out soon in the next 6 months?

[undone portal]

leizialt is meta, next debut

[ancient lintel]

You just missed the game mechanic breaker XD

He was gone just a few days ago

[summer aspen]

ugh

[oak shale]

Is 6 hours the lowest you can get skill level 3 training time?

[undone portal]

yea its somewhere around there. logos/irene > swap into m3 trainer

[ancient lintel]

The next upcoming banners are all pretty busted units though, for upcoming banners and you'll have some idea on how/why they're strong

[oak shale]

I'll take it beats 24

[summer aspen]

Is it just leizhi alt and hoshi alt?

Ohhh oops need to check pins, mb thanks!!

[ancient lintel]

Yea banner priority should be in pins

[summer aspen]

Ugh I dunno why I always have the worst timing to come back with Arknights

[stark gulch]

yes

[ancient lintel]

12 x 0.4

Or I think that's how it works idk

[summer aspen]

Will tragodia be coming back any time soon? will he be on one of those multi unit banners?

[ancient lintel]

He's a standard op
offrate him in future banners

[summer aspen]

ooohhh ok gotta just pray to RNGesus then. Thanks

[mint sage]

are they both useless im assuming

[wheat flare]

vulcan is at least usable in base

[ancient lintel]

Vulcan can function in Riic and yea that's it
Not much to write home about

[mint sage]

oh ok

ty

[ancient lintel]

I mean 1 gold cert is 1 gold cert tho, cant complain lol

[wide verge]

Lmao

[torn galleon]

Vulcan has usable base skill if lacking gold workers

[shut kite]

Can someone lend me an Ulpianos with his third skill at level 3 and with the module?

[burnt tree]

does wisadel camouflage prevent her from having higher monst3r healing priority?

[young glacier]

Aresn't M3 heals rock first anyway. Also Camo and Invis are against enemy targeting not your own god dammit

[worthy igloo]

Should I start to build them ?

[lavish monolith]

Ulpi

[burnt tree]

who is missing here? spec1 and?

[ancient lintel]

If you want to then ye, it's expensive af but u do u

[lavish monolith]

Skadi

[ancient lintel]

OG skadi

Skadi pre ishar mla assimilation

[worthy igloo]

200 thousand isn’t enough isn’t it?

[ancient lintel]

LMD?

[worthy igloo]

Yes

[ancient lintel]

Yea naw you need like 2M minimum

[lavish monolith]

not even enough for mod3

[ancient lintel]

Cause both gladia and spec alt want their mod lv2+
Gla mod X and specter mod somethin I forgot

[worthy igloo]

Nono my bad I have 2.1 million

[ancient lintel]

Eh I guess it's enough maybe?

[worthy igloo]

For gladia only her mod is locked but the rested to levelled up for her

[lavish monolith]

Around 1.1 mil for e260 + mod3 for a single ops.

[worthy igloo]

Ic, I might just level up ulpi then

[lavish monolith]

Add another 700k-800k if you want e2 90.

[ancient lintel]

Ulpi only really wants gladia ngl

[worthy igloo]

Nah I always level up to e2 69. Not a hardcore player so I think it’s enough

[worthy igloo]

Fair enough

[lavish monolith]

[ancient lintel]

Just cope the SP buff with ptil for a cheaper price ngl

[worthy igloo]

Ptil?

[ancient lintel]

Ptilopsis
0.3 SP/s, instead of spec alt's 0.5 SP/s

Spec alt also has that 30% max HP buff tho, which is nice but eeeeehh still too expensive just to enable ulpi alone

[proven kelp]

Not like Ulpi need either

[worthy igloo]

Nah I don’t have her sadly

[ancient lintel]

Yea ulpi dont need either but if you really really really want to have 1 or 2 AH member to be with him for idk path of life lore accurate gameplay or whatever then yea gladiia and spec alt are needed

Exu trag ulpi lemuen degen and sash

[sleek finch]

you can follow that order
also e1 your baseworkers if you havent
check /baseskills for list of baseworkers