#REWORK RARE ITEMS

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wanton moth
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most rares are trash like:
hydra head;
weed joint(poison dart);
barrel (stupid fixed range);
shield(gives u armored??? most useless buff)
and the list goes on
let's take the weed joint as example
with the samurai lv 30 the joint do 81 damage in 2s with 10s CD
the golden shuriken do 208 with 6s CD
the math doesn't even makes sense

bonus:

add status to items like
boots should give armor as u remove it from players
jade armor it's the useless. People choose dune or spyked always
spells should give some type of status too, and rares should give different ones then normal items
and etc.

simple things that sould be in the 1.0.1 of the game, i have no idea how the devs still so blind to this simple maths and useful things

last thing, rework the armord to tank like 25% of the damage something like that, it's the most useless buff now

shrewd berry
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Yeah all rare abilities are usually pretty crap, pogger beast barrel, poison blowdart, hydra head, hookshot, list goes on

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Personally I'd just move those abilities to being uncommon (hydra head, pogger beast barrel) and then buff the rest

wanton moth
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if u remove stationary from them probably they would be "useful"

shrewd berry
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Considering those 2 are from t1 bosses anyways

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I think Hydra Head being stationary is fine, but it sucks past that too

onyx pecan
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Item rarity shouldn't explain is this item strong or not. Rarity means how hard to get it. If you play as ppe or just starting from 0 those rares could be a good upgrade. Its bis for your current progress like , if you have weak ability you are farming for the upgrade. With the time you will find new items that might be stronger and its ok if you just drop old rare on the floor.
In most games ive played there was situations when you finding new green gear that better than your blue just cuz you leveled up and got new higher tier items.

steady turret
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Player finds out some items are better than others:

shrewd berry
onyx pecan
shrewd berry
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Akuji is a good example of a really good rare

onyx pecan
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you really think that tier 1 or tier 2 is better than rare ability?

shrewd berry
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Oh yeah

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Darksteel shuriken worth more than hydra head 😭 that thing is ass

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I'd take darksteel bomb over it any day too

onyx pecan
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darksteel shuriken is not tier 1 or 2 ability

shrewd berry
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Hydra Head is a tier1 rare, but it's not even good in the first place for players stuck in t1 gear ™️

onyx pecan
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lmao. go play with rusty ability then

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hydra head is a tier 1 rare that better any item you can get in tha SAME area

shrewd berry
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Literally all t1 rare abilities are crap, now arguing ab it

onyx pecan
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akuji katana is a weapon
Same as staff

shrewd berry
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Yes, my point is why should the abilities be utter dogshit when t1 rare weapons can be comparable to jade?

onyx pecan
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then its better to nerf op rares instead of buffing others

shrewd berry
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Whereas t1 rare abilities don't even match up with t2 common drops like the bombs/shurikens

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Not really, that's no fun for players, and Akuji for example is a good alternative if you don't want to use Jade, yet you still see most people with Jade

onyx pecan
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the thing is there is no other rare items u can switch to on the higher areas. thats why the only one katana is strong. cuz there is no other katanas. I think if Juix add new rare katana, the akuji one will get nerf. Dont know about staff but it should be nerfed also then

shrewd berry
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The specific ones we're asking to be buffed (Pogger beast, Hydra head) are very underperforming REGARDLESS

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All that more rares mean is more alternatives for playstyles, only very few rares (t2/t3 biome rare katanas for example) should be inherently better

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If it's just another t1 rare katana, Akuji could stay where it's at and just share a diff reason to go for it from a separate t1 rare

onyx pecan
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it shouldnt. it could be a temporary swap for new character experience as in ALL other games where you can get items like white, green, blue, purple rarity

shrewd berry
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Difference of opinion

onyx pecan
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cuz its low level area. why should it be strong

shrewd berry
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Right now there lacks a lot of variety, I don't think it matters that it's strong

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lots of lack of content

onyx pecan
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same about spiked armor. i think it should drop from higher level bosses

shrewd berry
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yeah spiked armor itself is crazy for a Mummunt drop

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Thing ab Akuji is usually you won't even get a single one by the time you even have obsidian, I stuck w/ Obsidian/Gonte for a LONG TIME before any Akuji ever dropped, and by the time it did I had Jade anyways

onyx pecan
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it could be also be a rare boss then i think.

shrewd berry
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Mummunts drop simply is BIS for me until Jade Bull which is crazy

naive thistle
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some truth to this, but also this isnt very accurate

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shield is good, barrel is good

shrewd berry
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I think Spiked Armguards could be dropped for like from 14 to 12 defense feasibly

naive thistle
onyx pecan
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ye. mummut must be a rare boss then instead of common boss for low level area. Like small chance to spawn somewhere random place so people would hunt for it for days to get one instead of running for the same spots and get a chance to drop 1-3 per hour depends on luck

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or just nerf spiked

shrewd berry
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Tbh

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I think I'd rather either have spiked moved down to like 4 str from 5 and 12 def from 14
or just make the armor an epic drop and make it rarer and keep stats as is

naive thistle
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everyone in general was saying that mummunt needs to be easy loot for new players to get into the economy

shrewd berry
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Mummunt being a world boss and being reworked in general would be the play imo

naive thistle
shrewd berry
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Not making him a low chance to spawn, still set in stone but at intervals of time that you can meet up at accurately still but him only spawning like 3-4 times per day for example

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and then reworking his fight and buffing him significantly to makeup for this

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As in world boss, I don't mean when the realm seals. But just a major world boss itself

naive thistle
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so a T3 boss

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personally I think itd be less work to just make his drops more accessible without having max level players infesting low tier areas

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such as letting other bosses drop them

shrewd berry
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14 Defense > 12 5 Str > 4

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That's a good start methinks

naive thistle
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having them not be BiS would be a solid change imo

shrewd berry
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12 defense 3 str

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Immediately makes Jade armor itself worth more since 6 defense is a lot larger too from its current 3 difference

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and only sacrificing 3 str from 5 would be more feasible

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Even 10 def 5 str would work

naive thistle
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jade bull is already really good

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personally I think jade bull should be made exalted

shrewd berry
naive thistle
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oh true then

shrewd berry
# naive thistle oh true then

If Spiked Armguards defense was moved from 15 to 12-10 and str from 5 to 3-4, the disparity for exchanging 4/3 str for 6-8 more defense is way more feasible then where it's at rn where you'd only gain 3, but lose 5 str

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Immediately drops them by sm

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and Spiked Armguards are still a very good rare armor 🤷

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or just move Mummunt to t2 biomes and buff him significantly and keep the Spiked as-is with a slighter nerf like 1 str 1 def

robust solstice
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Op has figured out that power rares are both cool ideas and bloatware congrats!

wanton moth
wanton moth
robust solstice
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i have seen ppe and npe thrown around here a lot. I think if it's in context to this game, people will say ppe when they mean npe.

wanton moth
wanton moth
shrewd berry
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Rarity means nothing to most gear

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Hydra Head still T1 despite being a rare

robust solstice
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new player experience

wanton moth
robust solstice
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the only classes that have their abilities done right so far are focus and support classes

steady turret
shrewd berry
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All Hammu abilities should be rares instead of uncommons considering his weapons are all epics imo

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like bloodstone shuri

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and the mythic shuri need a significant buff 💀

wanton moth
shrewd berry
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Bloodstone Shuri better

onyx pecan
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Lets count together.
Rusty
Bronze
Iron
Steel
Blacksteel

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Uncommon is still rarity. Not a tier

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If you didn't noticed it pos same as RARES text

onyx pecan
onyx pecan
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You have to realise that rarity not means a tier of an item.
Even if Juix add mythic to hydra it wouldn't be stronger than any top tier epic or even may be uncommon.
Thats how basic game design works.
I can agree that armored should be buffed since 50% of your armor makes you get like 10 less damage. Instead of 150 damage you will get only 140 on Hammurabi for example. Armored could give us an 100% extra armor bonus. And it still will be useful vs spam attacks that deals not much but fast damage.
So percentage of the damage would be better probably.

shrewd berry
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Probably

fallow blade
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While I do agree that lowland boss rares shouldn't be as powerful as obsidian+ gear, there's some of them that really are straight out unusable even for new players, case in point hydra head is the biggest offender you might as well just stay with the lower tier bombs for example.
But not ALL rares are "trash", poison blowdart for example allows for an "accurate one shot" having all the damage instead of the closer "true range" for shurikens, armored is still decently useful from yoku shield if you aren't running Crab or Panda, obviously samurai benefits from it more than warrior since armor vs robe defense.

There's definetely many things to consider here really

wanton moth