budget is £1000 British pound
#my brother has a pc with an i5-9400 rtx 2060 16G ram and 223G SSD and is looking to upgrade parts
drowsy oyster
random marten
Use pcpp and use most of the budget for a gpu and some for cpu
I would do a full amd build for him
random marten
Well it's better to get a newer cpu. Not a older 9th gen cpu
drowsy oyster
Alr
gleaming kindle
256 gb is barely anything for PC gaming u can barely download 2 CoD lol. get A 1tb m.2
And also 9th gen is kinda old
north pike
upgrade mobo and cpu, get 6700/6700xt and 2tb nvme
warm obsidian
Get a cpu doesnt matter, but get atleast a 12th gen i5, and get a 3080, should be plenty. Also get atleast 1tb ssd or m.2, 223gb is nothing.
cosmic saffron
should be close to 1000 pounds
Assuming he re uses power supply and case
leaves upgrade path for gpu since 13600k is capable of 4080 at 1440p
tawdry swanBOT
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drowsy oyster
Alr ty
random marten
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v2HY6r
use the uk pcpp
stuff in uk is more for pc stuff and different
Uk being a bit more money. I couldn't do the 4070 or 6800xt. but I was able to get the 6800 non-xt in it
and is almost double compaired to the 2060 anyways!
and here's one using AMD cpu which I recommend because long platform support
like in 5-6 years when ddr5 near an end, AMD should have the last ddr5 cpu which should support this socket which means you could keep the motherboard and ram and all he would need to upgrade in 6 years is his cpu and maybe gpu!
cosmic saffron
use the uk pcpp
1300 dollars is close to 1000 pounds
random marten
1300 dollars is close to 1000 pounds
your not understanding it
cosmic saffron
oh
random marten
let me take your list put put the country under uk
cosmic saffron
Let me do
cosmic saffron
Thats what im doing now
cosmic saffron
Alr ty
what cooler does he currently use
@random marten I dont think its a good idea to combine an intel processor with an amd gpu, you dont get smart access memory when you do that
random marten
<@476432808126971914> I dont think its a good idea to combine an intel processor...
That doesn't matter.
But I do still think he should go with an amd system with am5
cosmic saffron
Its kinda vague to say "an i7"
AM5 would beat a 12700k but the budget is 1000 pounds so a 13700k is not on the table
random marten
in gaming performance. AMD and Intel are neck to neck. Just intel has better multicore which doesn't help in games, then AMD offers long platform support
so AM5 may save you money on another upgrade in the future keeping your motherboard/ram and with a bios update in 6 years can get you support for amd's last ddr5 cpu
cosmic saffron
he wants an rtx 3070 so i dont think productivity is a primary concern with slightly higher multicore performance in intel
random marten
I will have to see if he cares for ray tracing though because it's either get a 3070 with only 8gb vram which is like bare minimum but have better rt. Or the 6800 that doesn't have great rt but has 16gb of vram!
cosmic saffron
RDNA3 has been cooking with ray tracing so maybe when a 7800xt or 7700xt come out that would be an option
random marten
RDNA3 has been cooking with ray tracing so maybe when a 7800xt or 7700xt come ou...
maybe. But AMD is not trying this hard this gen because 70% people will still buy Nvidia even if it's like a third or double the price
cosmic saffron
maybe. But AMD is not trying this hard this gen because 70% people will still bu...
FSR3 could change that if they finally get it out
random marten
people aint getting Nvidia because AMD lacks features, they go Nvidia because most are fanboys.
I know someone who bought a Gtx 1650 instead because he didn't want AMD and the rx 6600 was the same price for him
cosmic saffron
people aint getting Nvidia because AMD lacks features, they go Nvidia because mo...
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"the drivers are bad"
I think that was with their rx 500 series cards
random marten
Nvidia gets the same amount of problems as AMD. so it literally doesn't matter. It's intel gpu's that has insain driver issues
drowsy oyster
what cooler does he currently use
Stock 😭
drowsy oyster
Anyways what's his current power supply?
500W
random marten
500W
Oh ok, so we will have to cut some of the stuff in the list to allow room for a power supply
cosmic saffron
500W
Probably upgrade that for future proofing
if he ever wanted a better graphics card in the future it would rely on this
They arent too expensive nowadays
a 750 watt full modular can be around 100 dollars
drowsy oyster
Ok
random marten
a 750 watt full modular can be around 100 dollars
he's on a tight budget but I will see. if not, a 650w can do well
ok I did have to downgrade the 6800 to a 6700xt but I got a 750w psu in it! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dominicshortbow/saved/b77qdC
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dominicshortbow/saved/N82Npg
drowsy oyster
I will have to see if he cares for ray tracing though because it's either get a ...
All he does is play fortnite and gta and doesn’t really care anout graphics
random marten
All he does is play fortnite and gta and doesn’t really care anout graphics
the 2 list, do they look good?
drowsy oyster
Yes
He also told he wants to keep his 2060 to put 2 gpus
But idk if his motherboard supports
random marten
oh wait, this is not a good upgrade. only 50% faster...
random marten
He also told he wants to keep his 2060 to put 2 gpus
2 gpu's wont help in games at all
random marten
Is he ok upgrading his system and keeping just the 2060 for now?
drowsy oyster
Power supply is a definitely upgrade
random marten
Id say to have him upgrade his system and wait on the gpu
drowsy oyster
He gonna get a job so I’ll tell him to try get like £1300
cosmic saffron
he's on a tight budget but I will see. if not, a 650w can do well
Thats probaly smarter
random marten
have him save for a 6800 as for an upgrade you want at least 70% more performance
drowsy oyster
Alright
random marten
ok he may want to save an extra $100
the 6800 is a much better upgrade for him. almost double
@drowsy oyster
drowsy oyster
Dam
viscid void
upgrade the ram
cosmic saffron
the ram is fine
cosmic saffron
Id swap the sn770 for a p5 plus from crucial
10 dollars more and noticably faster
random marten
Id swap the sn770 for a p5 plus from crucial
Idk, I hear from Ravioli that it has big slow downs
drowsy oyster
Is the intel stock cooler any good or should he upgrade it aswell
random marten
Is the intel stock cooler any good or should he upgrade it aswell
the list I shown you has cpu coolers in it
drowsy oyster
Oh yeah
Can u recommend any good water cooling for when he eventually gets a way higher budget
random marten
air cooler should be plenty
cosmic saffron
Idk, I hear from Ravioli that it has big slow downs
My brother has the 2tb one and it hasnt shown that before
random marten
My brother has the 2tb one and it hasnt shown that before
I ain't good with knowing ssd's. ask @frank glacier
cosmic saffron
I atleast know that gen3 is fast but not as fast as gen4 seeing my computer compared to other peoples
Its like 3 years old at this point
random marten
I atleast know that gen3 is fast but not as fast as gen4 seeing my computer comp...
If it's just games or windows boot time. You don't really need gen 4
cosmic saffron
If it's just games or windows boot time. You don't really need gen 4
Id say it kind of matters on VR games where you load between levels alot like bonelab or blade and sorcery the faster load times would be nice
cosmic saffron
That game is definitely way faster than bonelab
frank glacier
My brother has the 2tb one and it hasnt shown that before
Its for extended read and writes so like downloading games and such. A lot of the crucial ssds tend to throttle to pretty horrific speeds under extended writes especially. All ssds will throttle after a while so you just have to do some research to see what they throttle to. I consider throttling to 750MB/s to be the minimum now. Crucial tend to throttle to ~500 for the p5 and p5 plus, the p3 and p3 plus throttle to sub 100 at times
drowsy oyster
Id say it kind of matters on VR games where you load between levels alot like bo...
My brother doesn’t play PCVR
So no need to worry
random marten
My brother doesn’t play PCVR
Even if he does. Gen3 is still more than plenty
People who needs gen 4 or 5 does workstation like video editing
cosmic saffron
Its for extended read and writes so like downloading games and such. A lot of th...
Ill consider this since i made a list i plan to upgrade to with a crucial ssd
Thanks for telling me
frank glacier
Best brand rn for reliability and speed is meant to be sabrent rocket ssds
cosmic saffron
What about an sn850x
frank glacier
Some of Samsung's recent stuff has been a bit dodgy.
cosmic saffron
What about an sn850x
Where im at its about the same price for a sn770
frank glacier
Sn850x is a brilliant ssd
cosmic saffron
Bet
frank glacier
If that's the same price as the sn770 I would snag it immediately
frank glacier
Even better tbh, 2tb is kinda a sweet spot rn
100 bucks is an absolute steal for a 2tb sn850x
They were like 170 on sale a couple months ago
cosmic saffron
I dont think it would be a problem to get 1tb on this motherboard i want since it has like 4 m.2 slots
But 2tb for a boot drive would be super nice
frank glacier
I'd grab the 2tb model if it's 100 bucks
cosmic saffron
Alot of 2tb ssds, especially gen 4 ones, have dropped down to like 90 - 150 dollar range
random marten
mp34 was $80 when I bought it and now it's still dropping. A really good ssd here! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095PMX6JS?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
clear shale
6700XT is still an amazing boost from a 2060
I would honestly go 6950xt, its the best price to performance this generation
clear shale
Some of Samsung's recent stuff has been a bit dodgy.
Every company makes mistakes and its all fixed
I still vote that samsung makes some really good banger ssds
but western digital got my vote and I am rockin a sn850x 2tb
frank glacier
Every company makes mistakes and its all fixed
Its fixed if you update the firmware, but there's no guarantee that ssds being shipped will come with the new firmware
clear shale
update firmware with samsung health then