Gpu choosing help post

[cosmic turtle]

Its finally 2023 which means im building my pc in a few months. I have money to buy RTX 3090 so should i buy it? I heard that in non visually intensive games 3080 ti is better but i want the best graphics settings on intensive games. So should i get 3090?

[static gazelle]

I’d say it just depends on what games you plan on play if that makes sense

[cosmic turtle]

I play normal games and graphically intensive games. But i crank normal games to the max settings

and i also want vr games to open up and run smoothly

[static gazelle]

I mean the RTX 3090 has 24GB of GPU Memory

[cosmic turtle]

so yeah

ill probs get that

[ivory sun]

3090 has quite a bit better specs than the 3080 Ti

[exotic bear]

They perform pretty similarly. Unless you need 24gb of vram get the 3080ti. I would have a look into it before buying though

[cosmic turtle]

The the vram make my game look better on the highest settings and some visually intensive stuff?

[exotic bear]

Currently unless playing at 4k or higher probably won't make much if any difference. Even at 4k most games will be unaffected. There's very little reason for 24gb of vram. What's the price difference between the 2 cards though?

[cosmic turtle]

Like 300$ difference for founders edition

But I can get an evga ftw3 3090 for 1,190$ used - Like New

[exotic bear]

How much is a 4080?

[cosmic turtle]

Lemme see

[cosmic turtle]

Founders edition?

[exotic bear]

Any tbh. Founders edition is pretty great tho

[cosmic turtle]

1200$ usd

[exotic bear]

Get the 4080 then

It's the most powerful all round and has 16gb of vram rather than the 12 on the 3080 ti

[cosmic turtle]

4090 is the most powerful?

[exotic bear]

Yeah, I meant out of the 3 the 4080 is the best

[cosmic turtle]

Oh

[exotic bear]

Good luck getting your hands on a 4090 for a reasonable price

[cosmic turtle]

Ok

[cosmic turtle]

Lmfao

[cosmic turtle]

can u tell me a good brand to get 4080 from?

[exotic bear]

Hard to go wrong really but founders edition, Asus, MSI or maybe PNY look like some pretty decent models

I have bad history with gigabyte graphics cards but some people quite like them

[cosmic turtle]

hmm kk. also should i tell u the specs im gonna try to get and u could tell me if a 4080 would be a good choice then

[exotic bear]

Sure

[cosmic turtle]

kk

one sec then

Intel core i9 13900k, MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WiFi Gaming Motherboard, 2 TB nvme samsung evo 970, 32 Gigs corsair vengeance DDR5 RGB ram, Corsair RMX Series (2021), RM1000x, 1000 Watt, Gold, Fully Modular Power Supply, Corsair iCUE H150i Elite Capellix Liquid CPU Cooler, RGB Pump + Fans, 360mm, Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX PC Smart Case - Black

and a gpu that i didnt decide on yet

[exotic bear]

My recommendation is to drop that CPU to a 13700k for temperature reasons more than anything. That pc is like god tier and should perform well in pretty much any game tho

If a game doesn't perform well blame the game

[cosmic turtle]

ok, and is a 970 evo plus good enough?

because I dont wanna waste any shit on the best storage options

[exotic bear]

It's probably the best pcie 3 nvme SSD. You could go for a faster drive but there's not much point. It's hard to tell the difference at those sorts of speeds anyway

[cosmic turtle]

ok good. Cause a 980 pro is unreasonably more expensive

and thanks for ur help

[exotic bear]

No problem, those parts are beyond the price I'd ever be willing to pay but they're objectively good performing so if you're comfortable paying go for it

[cosmic turtle]

Yeah. They are around 3K and my budget is like 3.5K. But I need a good monitor and some rgb keyboard and mouse so yeah

ima play vr so cya and thx for help

[cosmic turtle]

@exotic bear would u recommend a core i5 13600k for people like me who dont wanna overclock and get their cpu to be really hot.

bc the base clock looks faster

[exotic bear]

Base clock doesn't really matter, it's more about the boost clocks now and the 13600k is slower than the rest of Intel's 13th gen in that regard. I'd go for the 13700k

[cosmic turtle]

Ok thanks I checked and then 13900k and 13700k are actually not different

Of course 13900k is better tho

But I'm better with 13700k

[exotic bear]

yeah that doesn't surprise me really

[cosmic turtle]

Can a 4080 handle huge vr explosions or like huge vr things that the quest can't handle

For example the anzio mod on bonelab

[exotic bear]

can't say for sure but I'd say almost certainly, the 4080 is faster than the 3090 ti so if it can run on a 3090 ti then id say yes itll run fine

[cosmic turtle]

Ok. I got inspired to do it on quest from a youtuber. Most youtubers have high end rtx 30 series

So I think I might be fine

[exotic bear]

yeah

[cosmic turtle]

Thanks for all the help!!

[exotic bear]

no problem

[cosmic turtle]

@exotic bear is amd cpu better in any way?

a lot of youtubers (VR) use amd only

[exotic bear]

Honestly they're pretty similar currently although AMD is less power hungry for the performance making it easier to cool

[cosmic turtle]

@exotic bear this might be too much for me. Im probs gonna custom build online

ibuypower made a sick deal so yeah ill pick that up mid this year

[cosmic turtle]

Also may I know ur pc specs?

If u have no problem

I'm just curious

[exotic bear]

i5 12600kf, 32GB 3600mhz ram, Rx 6800

[cosmic turtle]

Ok that good

[exotic bear]

Yeah it's pretty nice

Performance is great at 1440p

[cosmic turtle]

You game at 1440P?

ot 1080P?

[cosmic turtle]

@exotic bear Is 4080 gonna be overkill for ultra high setting gaming and vr

like would a 3080 just do better value or something

[cosmic turtle]

3080ti I’ve heard is the better bang for your buck

[cosmic turtle]

yeah im gonna get 3080 for a lower price rn. And then next year for my bday ill get a new gpu

thats my plan

Im starting out with 32 gig ram rtx 3080 core i7 13700k

[cosmic turtle]

Nice

[cosmic turtle]

do u have gaming pc?

[exotic bear]

1440p

[exotic bear]

In terms of value anything but the ultra high end is best value. So 3080s or 6800 xt, 6800 or 3070 ti etc are better value than the 4000 series but you were already looking at the 3080 ti and 3090 which at least here in the UK arre the same price or more expensive than 4080s

[cosmic turtle]

I am honestly gonna get a 3070 ti or a 3080 now and get a better gpu in a Christmas sale at the end of this year

Because I will end up paying too much

[cosmic turtle]

Ye

[cosmic turtle]

what gpu

[cosmic turtle]

hmm yeah, but I honestly think that for 1080p and ray tracing the 4070 ti would do well for me

[exotic bear]

Yeah that makes sense tbh

[cosmic turtle]

And im pretty sure later this year in like november there are gonna be new gpu that I can buy for less so umm then ill just get something better at that time

also please take care of this kid called pug who is spamming some nonsense in the general chat and is posting all nonsense in the help channels

[exotic bear]

Understandable, I think a 3080 or 3070 ti would probably be plenty for what you're looking at anyway

[exotic bear]

Ffs gimme a sec

[cosmic turtle]

yeah. I just wanna play at ultra high settings with atleast 100 fps and all my cross buy games like bonelab

[exotic bear]

Bonelab is crossbuy?

[cosmic turtle]

yeah. if u buy on quest

[exotic bear]

Huh ok, idrc cause I got it on steam I just didn't realise

[cosmic turtle]

lol. Either way the crossbuy is on pcvr oculus store which is kinda dogshit

[exotic bear]

I try to buy most games through steam cause I'll probably get a headset from a different company at some point and don't want to be tied to oculus for all my games

[cosmic turtle]

OH SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT 💀💀💀💀

[exotic bear]

Lmfao

[cosmic turtle]

once i get my gaming pc, im gonna be steam all the way

[exotic bear]

Yeah, steam just kinda works, half the time the oculus protal thing just refuses to open steam vr

[cosmic turtle]

Yeah, thats why the dogshit we all know as alvr exists

but vd also exists

but it cost like idk 20$

[exotic bear]

Meh I just deal with it, usually just have to force close steamvr and open it again through the oculus software

[cosmic turtle]

Lol kk

does this look cool?

[exotic bear]

How much is it?

4070 ti performs kinda like an rtx 3090

[cosmic turtle]

its like 800$

and it preforms better than 3090 ti

[exotic bear]

It doesnt

It's at best the same

[cosmic turtle]

i think my previous idea was better. Get a 3070 ti or a 3080 and then buy something better in november sale

[exotic bear]

Well how much is a 3080 or 3070 ti?

[cosmic turtle]

In my custom build it takes away atleast 300-400 bucks away

so then it would be like 2.7k

would this be a good idea?

[cosmic turtle]

what company

[exotic bear]

Any really, just name the 5 cheapest ig

[cosmic turtle]

founders edition it is.

[exotic bear]

Are they actually available?

[cosmic turtle]

3070 ti is but 3080 isnt. and im doing custom build online because I am afraid i might break something. But IBUYPOWER has both in stock

[exotic bear]

Are you going through ibuypower?

[cosmic turtle]

Yeah, they are just better

i would have done lyte, but they have no intel 13th gen

[exotic bear]

Fair enough, how much difference is there for 3080 Vs 3070 ti on their website?

[cosmic turtle]

lemme see

[cosmic turtle]

a 3070 ti costs 45 dollars less

[exotic bear]

Then 3080 it is

[cosmic turtle]

ye

how much did ur cost?

[cosmic turtle]

does the 3080 still have value like to this day?

[exotic bear]

My 6800 was £460 in black Friday sales, 3080s in the UK are still like 700 new

But if you care about ray tracing go for Nvidia

[cosmic turtle]

ohh damnnn

[cosmic turtle]

I need ray tracing. The 3080 handles it really well. If i like it, i might not even change the gpu in november

[exotic bear]

Yeah it was a really good deal, had to import from Spain tho

[cosmic turtle]

damn

[exotic bear]

Tbh if I were you I'd get a 3080 a d stick with it for a couple years

[cosmic turtle]

hmmm alr. But does 3080 have future proofing

It had future proofing for the last 2 years

[exotic bear]

The only thing it doesn't have is dlss 3 which looks pretty shit anyway in my opinion

[cosmic turtle]

hmmm. The value isnt great for what it says

@exotic bear Is there like a "Good liquid cooler" or a "Bad Liquid Cooler" or are coolers coolers?

[exotic bear]

I tend to go for air cooling tbh, there are better liquid coolers but most are based off a very similar design, as long as it has a 360mm or 280mm radiator I wouldn't think too much about ut

[cosmic turtle]

Hmm alr

[spare anchor]

GG @cosmic turtle, you just advanced to level 14!

[cosmic turtle]

Why air cooling?

oh shit i just built it in a godlike way @exotic bear

after some configs I made it just 3K

[exotic bear]

Personal preference really, it's cheaper for similar performance but can't reach as high performance

[cosmic turtle]

oh kk

[exotic bear]

Looks decent to me

[cosmic turtle]

can something be better (pls dont say gpu)

the gpu is rly good according to reviews

[exotic bear]

It's good just not in terms of value, for the build you're doing it works pretty well tho

I don't think you need a 1000w PSU tho, 850 would be fine

[cosmic turtle]

Like i said, i will probs be upgrading later. I do not want to waste a power supply when i get a better gpu

but i need like 700 watts

and also 1000W is only 10 bucks more

[exotic bear]

Oh right lol

[cosmic turtle]

lol so its not worth downgrade at all

[exotic bear]

Nah not really

[cosmic turtle]

MY PARENTS SAID THAT IF I PROMISE NOT TO ASK FOR A PC FOR A FEW MORE YEARS THEY CAN GET ME A 4090

but if i get low end i can upgrade later

[exotic bear]

Damn, nice

[cosmic turtle]

i mean should i or should i get a normal gpu now and wait for a 5000 series to come out

I want nvidia only because I want ray tracing to be actually good

[exotic bear]

I would do it

[cosmic turtle]

alr

Idk if a 4080 comes at better value tho. with a 4080 a pc will cost 3K but with a 4090 it would be 4k

Gpu choosing help post

[exotic bear]

4090 is better value than the 4080 for some reason

[cosmic turtle]

Yeah idk why

Oh a 4080 is 1300$

And a 4090 is 1600$

[exotic bear]

Nvidia wants everyone to spend the extra for a 4090

[cosmic turtle]

That really sucks ngl

[exotic bear]

Yeah but then what do you expect, it's not that much more in terms of cost for them but it's a lot more profit

The 4090 offer almost 70% more cores and stuff than the 4080 does so the performance is significantly better tho

[cosmic turtle]

Ye

[cosmic turtle]

The 3070 will hold me on for now, my budget isnt huge. Ill get a better gpu in a sale later. I dont wanna get a good gpu now and just watch Nvidia's 5000 series release the day after lol

[cosmic turtle]

I mean as of rn there’s not a huge difference between 3000 and 4000 series compared to the 2000 and 3000 series

Really just higher fps and more optimization with what we currently have

[cosmic turtle]

Yeah, ill get a 3070 for now and see if ill ever need another one later

[exotic bear]

Your parents offered you a 4090 did they not? If that's the case why not wait and get that since you wouldn't be paying for it?

[cosmic turtle]

They did, but because of cost I won't be able to upgrade later. And Nvidia might ditch the 40 series because it's failing like shit

[cosmic turtle]

The thing if I get a 4090 now, I can't switch for a few more years and none of nvidia's 40 series have value. So the 5000 series might be better. So I'll get a 3070/3080 now and then get a better gpu (if it's worth it) this November in the sale. If it's not worth it ill get a better one next year for my bday or like some time

[exotic bear]

theyre not gonna ditch something theyve spent billions on, the reason its failing is more the price than any technological reasons, next generation wont come out till at least 2024 and if you were to get a 4090 there would be no reason to upgrade for a few years

if youd rather get a 3070 or something more like that then go for it, theyre still great cards

[cosmic turtle]

I wanna spend less for now. The 30 series has better value and dlss 3 is not a big thing rn. Also, the 3080 or 3090 are still future proof

[cosmic turtle]

Wait shit I forgot... the rtx 4070 ti exists right?

[spare anchor]

GG @cosmic turtle, you just advanced to level 15!

[exotic bear]

Indeed it does

[cosmic turtle]

I can get that if it's not shit

Would u recommend it?

Or is the 4080 just better

[exotic bear]

Uhhh, it's difficult to say. It's pretty disappointing but it performs pretty well. It's similar to a 3090 ti

[cosmic turtle]

I think a 40 series might be overkill for this: Valorant, vr (Bonelab, Pop 1, beatsaber), Rdr2, Minecraft, Warzone 2.0 etc. At atleast high or ultra graphic settings.

[exotic bear]

What resolution are you playing at?

[cosmic turtle]

1080P mostly or maybe 1440p

But like never 4k

[exotic bear]

Oh definitely then, I would get anything faster than a 3070 for 1080p really, 1440 would be great with a 3080

[cosmic turtle]

Alr.

I'm using ibuypower as my custom build but they just have most used gpu. Since no one buys the 3090 u can't find a 3090 there. And clx charges more for some reason so idk if I shud just go with a 3080

[exotic bear]

I'd just go with a 3080 personally

I was planning on getting one for a while but the pricing is way worse than Radeon cards in the UK so I got an Rx 6800 on a really good deal

[cosmic turtle]

Hmm alr. A 3080 is still godly and will make a godly pc with a core i7 13700k

[exotic bear]

Honestly I'd consider going with a 13600k at that point

[cosmic turtle]

Nah, I need a good boost clock

[cosmic turtle]

Rate a 13700k and a 3080 paired together out of 10 if u can

[cosmic turtle]

Does it have a better boost clock tho

I'm just gonna future proof my pc, a 4080 or 4090 will do fine

[cosmic turtle]

@exotic bear it turns out i was losing all my money on the Ibuypower pre applied accessories, I unchecked them and im saving like 500-600$. I can get a 4080

[exotic bear]

Oh nice

[cosmic turtle]

A 4090 PC IS ONLY 3800$ WITHOUT THE ACCESORIES!!!!!!!!

[exotic bear]

Seems reasonable considering 4090s are like 1800-2000 rn

[cosmic turtle]

yeah, thats actually a really good price ngl