the one time its optimal to not cake a unit lol
#Damage Challenge
plush palm
misty forge
the one time its optimal to not cake a unit lol
Not first time tbfh
Bellelba is prime case
Of "not really worth exring"
As it makes psychic stages hit harder, compromise gt or et comps
And risk ruining queues
true locust
Only i did hop on ranked
And now wat diffrence is sync up next
So i can tell its not worth it
If its slow your run
misty forge
How much syup next did hop get there and by what source
true locust
His tm
misty forge
"how much"
misty forge
Sounds pretty weird
true locust
Its not super up next
misty forge
I know
true locust
Damage its not this big as we expect
fluid anvil
the more multipliers you have the less value getting more has. Since they stack
Diminishing returns
misty forge
It's still a complessive increase considering it's on a spammer this time
It's not on one sync only
true locust
Gio stock 10 up next will be waist alot time
misty forge
Every Sync will get +10 syup vs 0
misty forge
Better get super up next each sync then this
This implies you can't do both with him
Which, you can
Since he's a free spammer
misty forge
Well you don't matter
true locust
H lillie
misty forge
Having every pair in the game is an outlier situation
true locust
Its way better
misty forge
Its way better
Yeah but it's lillie
true locust
Gio if have 1 gauge spam dark zone acceleration and extend plus super up next yes
misty forge
He's not only a dark unit tho
true locust
But this way you have same like barry
But use him outside dark not gain you sup sync
Since he set zone
misty forge
It's much better buffs and enabling wise
misty forge
Since he set zone
Not really
If you don't exr
Not like his exr is the selling part of the kit
At all
cloud timber
anni n got 1.9m already with chase/nc leaf, should peak over 6m with exr
in multi ofc
vernal condor
damn really
cloud timber
vernal condor
interesting
fluid anvil
3v3 doesnt really mean 3x higher score than 3v1, its usually ~45-50% of 3v3's score
at least in practice
I could see 5M+ maybe?
fluid anvil
in 3v1 you can probably use Leer 3 times and then just Leafs B-move to max out debuffs
in 3v3 I imagine you have to use Leer ~5 times? otherwise you dont get sides to -18
or maybe even all 6 Leers, you have to get Atk and SpAtk both to -6 too
for sides
Weird that 3v3 Fire is ending at ~9,5M+ top 1 score
when we had 10,7M before in Super Sparring
vernal condor
having fire 3v3 right after super sparring 3v3 sucks
so people don't wanna tryhard as much
cloud timber
3v3 doesnt really mean 3x higher score than 3v1, its usually ~45-50% of 3v3's sc...
thing is this was performed in multi
if there's any blue flares in there then those wouldn't be buffed too mich further but for a side experimentation there's plenty of potential for improvement
fluid anvil
thing is this was performed in multi
Oh.
Well still, for ST N sync he doesnt have to fully debuff sides
With Strike EXR you have to (if you want to triple the damage)
But 6M is probably possible then
cloud timber
same amount of turns to max debuff aoe vs st with extend range so that's already covered
so he's in a good spot
fluid anvil
if you have NC Leaf then it should be less turns for ST?
Since you can do 3 Leers and then 1 Leaf B-move to get from -3 to -6 (on 1 target)
with 3v3 you will need ~6 Leers
At least I assume its much better to debuff with Leafs Leer instead of N (who would only be the NR spammer after everything is debuffed)
cloud timber
oh yeah i don't know exactly how leaf's debuffs are coming into play so that could take extra time
dunno the comparison for 3 leers with 3 cd (1 each) vs 1 b move for 1 cd
and dunno if she needs b move anyway to make sun last, some penalty regardless
icy pendant
First run with the Ingo 4%, since my skill gear is garbage should I care about hitting much more than this or does this seem more or less reasonable?
vernal condor
Well the question comes down to how many moves do you wanna dodge lol
icy pendant
This got my last sync with like 7 seconds left so that’s max move + b move and a really awkward interval to get much more
unborn otter
All cs2, fire gear
What happens with using hlillie b move then asleon’s b move at 0 seconds? Asleon’s b move went off and only did 963k
icy pendant
How many SMUN? You’re 37k away from max damage with it so realistically it’s not losing much but he ideally wants SMUN
long silo
Probably higher if I sync with DC Blue first but once again I am lazy lol
oak dune
Guys will this team be able to get 1M+ on fairy single target, if I candy Calem to 3/5?
cursive linden
With 3/5 EXR, probably
cloud timber
yea seems capable
bright niche
cloud timber
Who can support Leon better
bit late to ask and for me to respond but holiday lillie would be best for rushing syncs
burn something and spam sing on it
third can be any sun setter
though there's no support ex on the team so if there's a way to fit that in that can help more
doesn't look like you have any so you can use ss erika
probably not going to have any time to get anything done bc rotation rolls over in 12 minutes
threw 60k orbs to lucas for soften up bc dena doesn't stop giving us super sparring and i have too many orbs
mmmmm
lol still not #1, close tho
3.99m
lance hits damage cap with b move
hybrid lagoon
Can dc wally reach 1m
cloud timber
last i saw was 700kish
cursive mauve
Pretty good for a striker
loud cedar
hmm
brazen dew
Nice, 1/5 can get 1m thankfully
warped gulch
loud cedar
damn oglance goated
fluid tendon
Thank you Iris sprint EXR. Could've gone higher if I'd popped Nate's circle before it wore off on the second to last sync.
pallid girder
Hyperbeam spam win again!
spiral halo
fair enough
is this exr lucas
royal jolt
How good is Avery for single psychic?
Mine is 3/5 and I have his EXR, but am deciding in whether or not to EX him
vagrant ivy
is this exr lucas
yes
long silo
So err noob question
How do you actually activate Lillie's Pep Rally
Beyond one TM use
long silo
Well yes. So using two Moonblast is the actual optimal?
royal jolt
I'm thinking Moonblast > B move since it gives you the benefits of what it gives
long silo
That is a lot of time
olive wraith
royal lodge
do you even bother with nate's b move in ss lance clear?
cunning rock
Beyond one TM use
Normally I would just say grid her for TMR but that's not applicable for 1/5. If you like you can sing and actually sleep the target for a proc but that makes timing para a little awkward.
royal jolt
It be like that
cunning rock
It be like that
Why not try Sing spamming? I think even Elio would be a little faster than Barry
plush palm
are yall running super command on lucas
cunning rock
Yeah.
royal jolt
Why not try Sing spamming? I think even Elio would be a little faster than Barry
I could
Just messing around with teams that make sense to me :)
cunning rock
Fair. DC Wally already has para so you can mess with Sing spam while keeping SC Steven
royal jolt
I wanna try Drasna so bad, but I have only enough resources to EX one unit
cloud timber
got my 4m
missed a coinflip opportunity for seun on final sync but i can still keep that, run kinda needs a para proc anyway
which i also got
for this specific sync count
cursive linden
I forgor how to do the trick
royal jolt
Damn it
Need to get a bit faster since I had a +10 PMUN Giga Impact banked
plush palm
presumably a lillie team could go way higher than my 1.7m
lethal siren
No Lillie either
lethal siren
pallid girder
You can do the typical NC Blue + melony and see how far you can get i suppose.
lethal siren
Good
Blue can trigger speedster sync
cursive linden
1 more SEUN and it can be 1.5M i believe
true locust
Wish for you that all your Christmas wishes comes true! Merry Christmas! Adas;)
plush palm
vast glade
Won't try again but satisfied with those numbers
Not sure if Lance would do more alone though
If I had gotten parahax, Lance would have been able to fire his b-move
cloud timber
i'd think even if you sacrifice a sync it'd be worth it to get off lance b move
vast glade
I dunno, sync with Lance once but I felt Nate was making more damage. Not sure why because Lance's grid got nearly all sync nodes
Maybe it's my move level? Or maybe I should drop Sp.def too?
pallid girder
Spdef drop is his innate so yes, but if you're doing all Nate route you can sync by Lance only once.
cloud timber
lance can 999k off b move
2 smun, seun from super sync, zone, and a bunch of sync buffs will get you there
does for lucas, not sure how much worse off nate can be
royal jolt
I could be grinding a DC score, huh...
vast glade
So Lucas would be better than NC Nate?
lethal siren
I ran out of circle
On last sync
I mistakenly clicked unova circle before 2nd sync again
cloud timber
only needs to use 3 maximum plus finishing b move where length wouldn't necessarily matter
with blue, 2
royal jolt
Yeah. He uses two moves only
But, I have PMUN and SMUN on his grid, so I have +10 to both the B move and a Giga Impact
cloud timber
ah aiming for that too
royal jolt
Yup ^^
cloud timber
your h lillie is exr?
royal jolt
My first run dropped it for guaranteed crit, but it's not worth it
royal jolt
your h lillie is exr?
Nope
cloud timber
got it
vernal condor
Good enough for me
royal jolt
At least I crit every sync and used a +10 B move
vast glade
i did this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wewZCid1XsU
My Lucas isn't EXR, forgot to say that important bit
royal jolt
Despite my Holillie not being EXR, is it worth using to hopefully get off that last Giga Impact?
I lose a support sync, but I gain that final final blow
vast glade
Not much better. Will try one more time lol
cloud timber
ah yeah role obv helps
forgot he even had it, was wondering why i had so many sync buffs
does lance need to be lv 125?
cloud timber
easy increase there if you want
cloud timber
aye i can try
scenic grotto
The irony of originally wanting to pull Larry for DC stages
Now he isn’t used in any of my DC stages
cloud timber
larry is super underrated
carried my flying single and poison single to 1m with lodge skyla and geeta
with 4/5 team speedy entry and enfeeble
scenic grotto
Yeah, Ryuki does not cut it as a Tech EX sync nuker
fiery rose
Yeah but it's not like Dragon has anyone better
Well, that's accessible
Your alternatives are drasna or lisia
Or dc wally
icy pendant
Lisia 😔
fiery rose
Ryuki is merely the least shit option
scenic grotto
Yep
icy pendant
anyways Arc Lance probably pairs with the standard Chase Lillie core right? or am I crazy for considering NY Lillie in there?
cloud timber
he's physical so not much benefit from circle, might run into damage cap on b move without it too
icy pendant
oh right physical with smarty-pants innate because he’s a true mixed bag
cloud timber
yep
icy pendant
could always just go NC Blue as the third I suppose
royal jolt
he's physical so not much benefit from circle, might run into damage cap on b mo...
he absolutely does hit cap
Chase is hardly effective here
scenic grotto
Once I have done a full rotation of every DC stage with H Lillie then all the support units for each stage will have some combination of H Lillie, Elio, NC Blue, and Redlax (excluding stages where I have units that can rebuff the opponent)
Unless Colress’ -6 Def provides more damage than H Lillie’s Sprint/Support combo on some stages
vast glade
Thanks for the tips, everyone. Here, I managed to pull off by getting luck flinch and para. Still surprised I pulled it off despite making a screw up and using Nate's circle before Lance sync (rather than waiting Nate's sync). The para gave me time to use everyone's b moves in the end
royal jolt
Nice
icy pendant
well someone needs to roll gear for Lance I have nothing and this could be so much higher
royal jolt
well someone needs to roll gear for Lance I have nothing and this could be so mu...
What level is Lance?
icy pendant
also more perfectly functional code spotted in rankings
icy pendant
What level is Lance?
This is a 4/5 one. I also missed a crit, so… 
icy pendant
I think it’s for SS5 but hard to tell
royal jolt
There's a big 6 there
Obviously, it's super sparring 6
vernal condor
I think it’s for SS5 but hard to tell
sygna suit 5 
cloud timber
this does do better, still working on it
icy pendant
Lucas just a zone bot?
please say yes because mine is 1/5 and can only zone bot as well as yours can
copper otter
Man, i love it when i take off P Move + S Move crit. Lance refuses to crit 5 times in a row.
cloud timber
i use his 5/5 zone extension too and i think it's worth firing off a second sync with lucas
but he's not influencing lance's score beyond providing zone
my sync order is wack too
lillie lance lucas before doing rest with lance but i think last sync should be with lucas if he procs seun
while setting zone again
safe prawn
this does do better, still working on it
Exr Lillie?
cloud timber
yep
cloud timber
yea 5/5 will def matter
misty forge
Last two syncs didn't crit 
Could've been like 1.35-1.4mil
With good Gear 1.6-1.7 is easily possible, my gears are only 100 atk +6%
cloud timber
15 seconds left on last sync, had time to use 6 pmun giga impact
but one para proc means another sync
oh yeah i'm forgetting he has an innate to max
cloud timber
lucas 2nd sync there but i think it's still better to have him as third sync optimally
i'll let it sit for now
normal parcel
Not bad for a single target stage
Could have done more if I picked up the sync nodes instead of the guaranteed CRIT but I hate RNG
spiral halo
no way the difference between 1v3 to 3v3 is this close 💀
Uncaked Lucas vs caked SS Serena too 
normal parcel
Serena isn't the bestest in dc
normal parcel
She's even worse
azure vine
She's even worse
than 1/5 Lucas?
azure vine
What’s better here? Ss serena 3/5 or 1/5 lucas?
that was my original question
normal parcel
than 1/5 Lucas?
Both are bad
azure vine
Both are bad
that’s not my question 😭
normal parcel
Maybe DC wally is better if you can get him 3/5
cloud timber
lucas or arc lance can outdo most dragon aoe options bar nate
vernal condor
than 1/5 Lucas?
serena should be the best of the 2
azure vine
Thanks
vernal condor
but don't expect much from her lol
azure vine
I already did her run
normal parcel
1/5 Lucas has no nuke
azure vine
It’s like below 400k
Or slightly above
Can’t remember
I used 1/5 Lucas for zone and bp Barry
cloud timber
quite rare for any 1/5 to be viable in dc but i'm sure people can think up the exceptions
as main dd
vast glade
Not bad for a single target stage
So... when does Nate sync here? I assume he only syncs once and does not use bmove?
normal parcel
So... when does Nate sync here? I assume he only syncs once and does not use bmo...
I used b move
vernal condor
quite rare for any 1/5 to be viable in dc but i'm sure people can think up the e...
mainly aoe syncs
vast glade
I used b move
Near the end as usual? Or earlier?
normal parcel
Before last sync
The extra countdown helps if you use before the last sync
But if you can fit after the last sync is better
vast glade
So Nate syncs after Lillie than all remaining syncs are Lance's?
vast glade
Do you use super syncer from Lance's grid?
normal parcel
Yes
normal parcel
I used +8 grid
But you can save a lot of energy if you are willing to deal with 80% crit
spiral halo
with 9+ sync buffs but only one SEup 
normal parcel
Strikers are bad for single target
Maybe DC Wally can score more
It should have better nuke
And can paralyze
royal jolt
There's a clear that uses him with Melony and SC Steven
If it wasn't you, I apologize
But I know I asked that before and someone chimed in ^^
cloud timber
nw, lot of times recently my memory's made mistakes too hehe
vapid kernel
O shit dragon HS
vapid kernel
Ay finally
Ay wtf
split bolt
O shit dragon HS
dragon||ite|| hs
woven fjord
lyric plover
crude sandal
How strong now is Anni N?
misty forge
Pretty strong, along nc leaf
crude sandal
Is he at least half comparable to AS Leon?
misty forge
I don't think so
crude sandal
Half comparable meaning he can deal 5M+
misty forge
If his 5/5 was actually relevant i could've seen some form of competition
Out of DC
In DC i'd expect 5mil, 6 tops at 5/5
vapid kernel
I find it hard to believe that Lucas barely crosses 1M
cursive linden
I proc flinch only once but i had a near perfect dodge + para run
vagrant ivy
I find it hard to believe that Lucas barely crosses 1M
he does like 2m if he gets the best SEUN luck and all crits
but mines only 3/5
pearl dawn
Oh hey I did that too!
dry whale
Got it done real quick. Just repeated last seasons run. Nice to be done early
fallen trail
I find it hard to believe that Lucas barely crosses 1M
he can go higher but its super command rng
i got to 1.5m
its my first time using lillie i was using her b move here but its better to not use it
cursive linden
Got it done real quick. Just repeated last seasons run. Nice to be done early
...
And i thought my 1.9M was special
crude sandal
I'm literally questioning why Elaine is there
cursive linden
Moral support
pallid girder
You should at least bring another dragon type coz ArcLance has the master passive (more x pair = more dmg boost) equivalence for Dragon type.
hollow wadi
I'm literally questioning why Elaine is there
Elio isn’t EX’d and Elaine is my best sprint/support
Could bring BP Barry I guess but other than a filler dragon idk who to bring for the 3rd
cursive mauve
Elio isn’t EX’d and Elaine is my best sprint/support
She is not sprint?
pallid girder
She is support / tech
cursive mauve
hollow wadi
No clue why I used her then 💀
hollow wadi
evasion buffer?
Only evasion buffers I got are base misty and bp Janine
pallid girder
An ex dragon support if you have one and not willing to ex Elio in near future, or someone who grant team SMUN so a final big blast bmove.
hollow wadi
Could go misty/lance/barry
hollow wadi
An ex dragon support if you have one and not willing to ex Elio in near future, ...
My grid for Lance gave him +10 smun by the end of it
Since he gets +2 per sync
hollow wadi
Hang on lemme get my Lance grid
I got the nodes for +2 pmun/smun after sync, se next after sync, and the para node so I can use Elio over someone else
Could prob optimize it and use bp Barry for para/support sync but I don’t have a lot of good options for a 3rd unit
dry whale
Ok now I'm done for real , this was unfinished business and samuelhm run reminded me of SS Serena and that as far as I recall did not hit the million on singles.
plush palm
Could go misty/lance/barry
yeah no i dont think misty is worth using
hollow wadi
I’d happily use chase if I had him
Could also use SS kris since she’s an actual support/sprint
Or event oak I guess, since he’s Kanto
pallid girder
There's no use to choose Kanto over someone do similar job but not Kanto tho.
You're not getting any benefit from choosing Kanto alone for Arc Lance.
hollow wadi
There isn’t really, yeah. What other options are there tho?
I could get Dana with a ticket but I feel like the grid tile for constant SeUN is better
icy pendant
no redlax/nc blue/dragon zone?
plush palm
hopefully he will
be kind
hollow wadi
Pulling him after nc leaf tho, hopefully they’re both feeling nice
hollow wadi
Good thing they last a while
vapid kernel
Anyone tried Ryuki yet
Gonna try mine later, hoping for 1M
With 4 syncs he cud get 1M
Maybe i can get 5 syncs even
F, triple water ends on 31st
I need Strike candy for Mix Leaf 
I'll spend it on SS N instrad then, for HS
icy pendant
Anyone tried Ryuki yet
from what I've seen yes and he did about as well as you'd expect him to which is to say, aggressively mid
icy pendant
if batman can hit 1m with zerena I would not doubt it
fallen trail
anyone have a video of lucas/h lillie/paralyzer (blue or chase)
trying to figure out what i’m doing wrong
misty forge
Anyone tried Ryuki yet
900k here
With Blue Melony
Average rng
Gear is +12%
+100 spa
plush palm
gotta wonder if you ever sync w/ dc blue
pallid girder
No. 1 Chase + rest Ryuki. Blue Psychic thrice to debuff spdef btw.
vernal condor
isnt that just a waste of time
pallid girder
I recommend do it at least once to make Shauna at -1 spdef at least.
Yes if you don't do it thrice you can prob squeeze in another sync if you dodge a lot but I just don't wannt bother lol.
Just to prove he can 1M is enough to me.
normal parcel
In DC i'd expect 5mil, 6 tops at 5/5
Not even sure is much better than SS Hilda, tech strike is a busted combo, but it has anni Steven stats, and hold still has super syncer even if no innate and less multiplier
misty forge
Not even sure is much better than SS Hilda, tech strike is a busted combo, but i...
Yeah she's much better
Because of seun
He has a higher first sync because of healthy superhit
But even at maxed drops he peaks much lower then her
Without seun
latent plover
ivory kestrel
Omg i love H-Lillie
icy pendant
wait, does Lance not fit the SMUN onto his grid when paired with Nate?
or does that have it and it's just a single sync (I would think his sync is better than Nate's, but I am a Nate lacker)
ivory kestrel
hmmm... i didnt grid for Arc Lance's SMUN, i went instead with Insult to Injury for that final B move boost. But maybe SMUN stacks are better?
icy pendant
I fit both on my grid but I am missing a single sync tile
ah if you go with the paraflinch tile you have to sacrifice two additional tiles, idk if that's worth tbh
ivory kestrel
i also didnt grid for Soften Up, I missed critting on 2nd to last sync in my run lol
icy pendant
neither did I, soften up is in such a bad place
cloud timber
insult to injury seems a bit expensive to get to, smun/pmun is way less out of the way but does have that small delay every sync
ivory kestrel
this is my grid for Arc Lance (4/5)
icy pendant
~800k
you could push that up to cap with skill gear but your skill gear is probably optimized for sync damage and not move damage
cloud timber
yeah smun tile gets to damage cap but i think i might try insult to injury too
icy pendant
I have ItI damage cap and I am missing both super syncer and one sync tile, from my math super syncer loses about 175k but does +10 SMUN ItI b move still hit cap?
icy pendant
6 smun is enough
me rolling up to Shauna with my +10 smun insult to injury b move?
cloud timber
yeah
latent plover
wait, does Lance not fit the SMUN onto his grid when paired with Nate?
He probably can, but I opted for consistency with sure crits on syncs
I'm not willing to reset only to get constantly rafa'd
ivory kestrel
I now have almost identical scores for 3v1 and 3v3 Dragon lol
safe prawn
Lmao
ivory kestrel
Hmmm, i think on the next round of DC, i will be able to up my 3v3 with H-Lillie boosting with SEUNs,
safe prawn
No ExR on Lilie, going in now with Rosa instead
plush palm
i give up on these coin flips
2m is as high as im willing to push
my syncs aint critting when i need them to
cloud timber
sucks to perfect even with nc blue who has less rng
icy pendant
oh just rolled a 30/80/30 special dragon piece with no multipliers now I have to go back anyways
just tryna get good high score gear over here...
cloud timber
this time my lucas run could afford soften up with all the spare orbs i have but with lance as main dd i could use zone ext
fluid anvil
have 5/5 Lucas and 4/5 AS Lance, but I'd rather use best girl 
with 1/5 Lillie and CS2 instead of SP3
plush palm
nice
cloud timber
i wouldn't mind using lucas as support over chase esp if exr
safe prawn
Alright now it looks better
pure light
so I can replace melony with 1/5 EXR holiday lillie in my team comps right? or does melony have something over lillie that I'm missing?
fallen trail
lillie is p much better unless you’re using a team that has galar circle or something
icy pendant
yeah unless you need an ice type for a future ice arc or an extra crit buff lillie's your new bestie
fallen trail
i will say i need melony on the archie/melony/c serena team since she can max serena’s sp atk and lillie cant do that
thats a very specific scenario though
cloud timber
yeah you'll specifically need her buffs to want to use melony over lillie, defensive galar circle isn't enough of a reason to put up with melony's gauge issues
could want it for offensive circles maybe
pure light
thanks everyone!
cloud timber
i'd need to shell out 20k more orbs just to test out insult to injury, think i'll settle without it
best run already has 2 para procs and a useful flinch at the end but also a couple of errors
dire spade
Neat damage!
azure vine
Some crazy gear
5/5 arc lance
10/5 Lucas
And probably melony or nc rosa or h Lillie
cloud timber
h lillie 100%
9/5 lucas could be better than 10/5
dude shows up outta nowhere and now #1 every time
azure vine
cloud timber
if he did something similar to my lucas run with max invests he'd only need about 23% gear to break 6m
if i did the numbers right
pallid girder
ArcLance breaks the record of the first 6M in single.
lusty galleon
guess wait for Fire ST 
cloud timber
9+/5 lucas is the better syncer but seun coinflip reliant still
cloud timber
vagrant ivy
has anyone actually tried drasna
SEUN on a MPR2 TM along with vt5
can poison to enable sing spam
in theory can spam toxic if you have the gauge
cooking
cloud timber
i could see dc wally as still better even without tech ex bc stronger mults, better conditions, still sets status, has evasion
and ryuki should be even better
30% seun still sucks when everything else is still relatively weak
my impression
still hearth
Anyone have a grid for Ryuki?
fallen trail
ok this is better… using chase lillie and lucas feels awkward, my zone and circle always run out by the end
for chase should i be saving his circle for the second sync or something?
im only 2/5 so no extension
cloud timber
if the other option is dropping circle for a later sync then yeah
but i'd def prefer 3/5 nc blue vs 2/5 chase here
royal jolt
Someone please try Drasna :)
I wish I could do it myself, but I'm low on resources to EX units
vapid kernel
I can try her later
royal jolt
Wake up chat
New F2P triple water unit dropped
cloud timber
i think he's gonna need x attack mpr for most teams
marley can set inertia and status and melony can sync rush
for accessible options
royal jolt
i think he's gonna need x attack mpr for most teams
sonia?
Grimsley haha funny evasion tech
maybe?
cloud timber
team swift reaction might not be good enough
but you can keep grimsley alive without gridding fa4
oh yeah you won't be able to tank with both grimsley and sonia lol so you can't take advantage of evasion and max inertia quickly
and marley maxes it in 2 turns 100% of the time so you can reset more for just evasion fishing
feral hamlet
?? Wasn't Lucas supposed to be good here?
cloud timber
yep
cloud timber
did you remember to fulfill any of his multipliers
warped gulch
Yeah Drasna can do 500k
feral hamlet
I have 900k with him in my log and I don't remember changing anything
Wonk grid though, so this is probably to blame
pseudo stag
quick question: what's the general rotation for NC Blue in DC?
pseudo stag
ye
cloud timber
with a sing spammer
cursive linden
quick question: what's the general rotation for NC Blue in DC?
Para with discharge once and then use speed + once or twice
pseudo stag
do I only tm for the final sync of my main damage dealer?
pseudo stag
doesn't it give seun?
cloud timber
smun
cloud timber
np
royal jolt
Yeah Drasna can do 500k
Aww
vapid kernel
Success
5 syncs the last one being SE up
Not sure if i crit all 5 syncs even
Need to do calcs
feral hamlet
Man, I guess the super effective up is what makes all the difference. Even with the updated grid the last sync still does under 200k
cloud timber
probably don't need to be using rosa's tm for anything(?)
melony is better regardless
1m should be possible without seun
royal jolt
I love it
vapid kernel
Beating lucas is great
crude sandal
Who's stronger fo fairy 3v1? SS Wally or H. Lillie?
cloud timber
wally, lillie doesn't like not having aoe
pallid girder
Lillie will still be used as sing spammer.
cloud timber
yeah def
crude sandal
Well, she does have SEUN and support/sprint
cloud timber
even if you're using them together in aoe wally is doing more damage
damage dealing isn't her primary role anyway
syncing with lillie for damage when you have access to ss wally is giving up tech ex and potentially interference sync for no benefit
true locust
acoustic chasm
I'm trying to replicate the 1.1M I did with Drasna last time, but getting all MPR + all sync crits is tough
normal parcel
hmmm... i didnt grid for Arc Lance's SMUN, i went instead with Insult to Injury ...
1 extra stack is 40% insult to injury is 30% at max, so getting extra stacks is much better
cloud timber
there'd be a clear winner if running into damage cap wasn't a thing, if insult to injury still nets 800k that's worth being able to fit in an extra sync before then
feral hamlet
1m should be possible without seun
Couldn't manage 1M even with SEUN... 
cloud timber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTPIn0TkK9I best i can do is give you this, even with a bunch of downgrades including no seun there's still potential margin for 1m
well no seun and 3/5
but also working with worse gear and lower levels
and you're going to run into seun sometimes via super command 4 even without farming for it
lucas grid is the same one i gave you +2e to grab sharpened mind for a boost to final roar of time, blue/melony grids are standard
vagrant ivy
you need to remember that Lucas needs a lot of stuff to max out sync
inertia, brain sync and draconic sync
so u gotta use x speed
soften up 1 exists at 5/5 if you somehow have it
feral hamlet
I got him at max speed and seun all the syncs. It just still comes up short
vagrant ivy
crits?
feral hamlet
Just missed the second one that attempt
vagrant ivy
with SEUN, max speed and zone up i was doing 250k crit on the first sync
but i was using chase instead of nc blue
using basically the same grid as yours
maybe it's EXR diff
feral hamlet
I just got 255k on first sync as well with it seun
cloud timber
exr is major ofc
cloud timber
what gear?
vagrant ivy
i was running like +8% and +95 spa
cloud timber
mine was def worse
i also used sp3 but if you can grind out for every crit the difference is down to 4%
with the levels always being so low i honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're working with 2* gear or worse
vagrant ivy
i was just running CS2
feral hamlet
I think if I land all the crits, I should reach 1M
cloud timber
gear would rarely be the only issue but it always gives more breathing room to do stuff
feral hamlet
I'm in the mid 900k range now with a missed crit and some roar of time stacked at the end
I want to say Barry is better here for the theme skill? These are the gear I have too
cloud timber
yeah stats alone are going to do you far better than holding onto just bonuses
pin is fine, just need to work on bandanna bc bracelet isn't huge either
depending on how much you feel the need to spend time on improving gear i would still recommend just searching for stats for a bunch of things rather than spending ever pins at all
heading to bed so i can't say more for now but hopefully i've pointed you in the right direction enough
misty forge
I want to say Barry is better here for the theme skill? These are the gear I hav...
Yuck, 40 spa
Probably better with +80 and nothing methinks?
brazen dew
Yeah, but i start running out at around 1 min
pallid girder
Team +6 speed. Sometimes you still need to burn other TM if you feel the gauge is lacking.
brazen dew
With sing spam
plush palm
melony comp?
brazen dew
Was still lacking, used the other tm
brazen dew
melony comp?
Yes
misty forge
Save your second speed all for later
Also whenever opp attacks, be sure to be on your striker or Blue
misty forge
Melony is slow af
brazen dew
Reduced hp reduces speed?
plush palm
some strikers have mga that can help
misty forge
Is low
brazen dew
Yeah, but why cant melony tank?
plush palm
situational tho
pallid girder
Well if you still feel lacking speed gear is the only thing that can save you.
brazen dew
Hmm
normal parcel
Tried to calc Anni N damage and seems higher than SS Hilda's (both 3/5) one even without seun despite his stats (I guess strike role stats helped)
And I guess blue flare should hit harder than searing shot
misty forge
almost as good as melony
Yeah almost same because you don't need to buff speed with him
normal parcel
Problem with elio is propelling strike 5
misty forge
Tried to calc Anni N damage and seems higher than SS Hilda's (both 3/5) one even...
I calced and 5/5 Hilda immensely outdoes him
azure vine
I calced and 5/5 Hilda immensely outdoes him
you need a calculator for that
you can’t do it by head
misty forge
Problem with elio is propelling strike 5
Yeah which is why you don't need speed buffs
normal parcel
I calced and 5/5 Hilda immensely outdoes him
Don't know about 5/5 but both 3/5 N was stronger (but probably slower setup)
misty forge
You lose like 15 seconds because of propelling but gain like 4-6 because no need for speed buffs
normal parcel
However considering NC leaf as partner (including theme skills and +100 gear)
misty forge
Don't know about 5/5 but both 3/5 N was stronger (but probably slower setup)
I calced max rising tide + burn vs max drops (with spdef -6)
pallid girder
Don't forget that SS Hilda never do burn 3, so her burn multiplier can only works on 1 opponent.
misty forge
Mhhh
plush palm
she cna burn multiple but gl getting it to happen
normal parcel
I calced max rising tide + burn vs max drops (with spdef -6)
With gears and type/theme skills?
pallid girder
Yes she can but it's never optimal by top players strategy.
All of them do burn 1 only in the end.
misty forge
With gears and type/theme skills?
Same gears, no themes
normal parcel
Same gears, no themes
+100 gears? Even if same is not the same % boost for both
N gets much higher % boost from themes and gears than Hilda
normal parcel
I guess with 80 and no themes, n gets a big malus because his bad stats
plush palm
I aint caking n
normal parcel
Ofc I was calculating with cake
plush palm
got irida and ss silver to support cake before him
and lear to strike cake
wish i could afford to cake him tho
normal parcel
Ofc no cake N is pretty useless
plush palm
even in 3v1?
normal parcel
Considering I was calculating with NC leaf, yes
Ok maybe is useful with 1/5 NC leaf
3/5 should do the nuke
pallid girder
N: not bothering by burn time loss at all, but need more setup time.
Hilda: bothering by burn time loss a lot, but quicker setup.
normal parcel
You still want to burn one side for sing spam regardless
misty forge
Guess N COULD spam himself with noble roar
pallid girder
Shouldn't N spam himself with Chase + Leaf or sth?
misty forge
Yea
normal parcel
Noble roar is 2 gauges however
misty forge
He does have mga
pallid girder
Chase: is that a problem?
plush palm
like oleana but harder to set up
normal parcel
If you can keep up with gauges, yes I guess
pallid girder
Chase is alr proven to be best at keeping 2 bar spam works.
vapid kernel
feral hamlet
Who needs Red lmao. I even whiffed the last crit
still hearth
Could I do more? Possibly
cloud timber
the presence of bp barry means you're not making the most out of sing spam i imagine
unless he's literally there only for support ex
also how is anyone forgetting they have arc lance for this 
at 4/5
icy pendant
people are forgetting about their 4/5 arc lance? that feels like a very deliberate thing to get one way or the other
cloud timber
2nd screenshot up
still hearth
Lmao got exactly enough
still hearth
unless he's literally there only for support ex
Yeah, he just puts on status and Lillie sing spams
cloud timber
got it
still hearth
- I had this
icy pendant
2nd screenshot up
oh the level 113 diff 
cloud timber
also entirely inexplicable
lusty galleon
icy pendant
that's just the damage ranges on level 113 4/5 lance trust
(but seriously level up your pairs)
old valve
It is time, chat
How am I gonna optimize the crap out of 10/5 Alt Iris
I want to hit the highest score I can with my girl
old valve
I do have a 3/5 Lucas
Some may say that he would be better spent as the DPS of the team
However: that isn't anywhere near as funny
cloud timber
yeah just because you have it doesn't mean you can't use him in a true support role
where support ex role does help a lot
old valve
And also Iris is ✨the brand✨
I have a ton of cake coin vouchers spare rn so I can EXR him yeah
cloud timber
don't need to yet
old valve
Anything to empower the child daughter baby
I do also have holiday lillie btw
If that affects anything
cloud timber
got nc blue?
cloud timber
best thing i can think of is to start is to use blue to help set her innate but there may be some other more efficient option for that
what blue has is -1 atk, -1 spa on discharge, -2 def on sync
-2 spdef will get canceled by their x spdef
old valve
Yea
Hypothetically I could run Def Crush too right lol
Or would Adrenaline be objectively better despite the context as usual
cloud timber
but even if you use 2 discharges and 2 breaking swipes and sync it's -6 -2 -2 which is still 10
defense crush can be important yes
old valve
Cap is 18 right?
cloud timber
yeah
maybe you run elio and spam sparkling aria to make up the rest lol
coin flip to drop def spdef and spe
old valve
Oooh
That could work very well, good call
Though I do find it funny that I pulled the shiny Primarina unit for stuff like this mode and despite that the first Primarina I use in it is the normal one instead
cloud timber
but you could also be running dc wally + h lillie
4 debuffs on dragon claw with no rng
that might be the call
he also has evasion to work with
old valve
Oooh
old valve
Unfortunate that I'll have to fish for Honing Hit TM MPRs in a comp like that but
Might just work
cloud timber
yeah that's necessary
old valve
...Also I think you're missing some tiles on the bottom connection there unless pomatools was glitching out lol
cloud timber
yeah so fill those in
still going to need to attack with iris some to max out pecking order and devastation, wally won't need to attempt that on his own
if you get any mprs with wally take it for as much evasion as you can get but don't go out of your way to reset for it
the rest you'll be able to figure out on your own i think
wally tanks ofc
misty forge
How am I gonna optimize the crap out of 10/5 Alt Iris
Nc bianca+ a spammer
Bianca alone maxes her multipliers (-6 def, -6 spa/atk) with 3 moves, gives eva for some time save and can eat some cd if needed to round up cycles
I used nc rosa and ended around 1.5mil with 3/5 iris
misty forge
Rip
old valve
Pour one out
cloud timber
could pick her up in the future potentially
cloud timber
bianca/colress is very solid for any physical attacker, moreso with unova bonus
old valve
I like Bonca and Virizion anyways so all's well that ends well if I can grab em lol
misty forge
Bianca is definitely a fun pair
Really "do it all" pair that doesn't fit its label of striker
Has good cd, drops, damage, gimmick check, enhancing
Just not the best in either of them at all
But rarely any unit can fit so much in 1 slot
fluid anvil
Nc bianca+ a spammer
Bianca alone maxes her multipliers (-6 def, -6 spa/atk) wi...
what did you spam? Sing without paralysis?
for bianca + nc rosa + iris
misty forge
what did you spam? Sing without paralysis?
Teeter
I also got 2 dpulse dodges
Or 3 idr
Also this setup implies going for double mpr2
Which 10/5 skips
Thankfully
So at least there's that
Actually nvm
Still need it because energy
Lol
cloud timber
water triple soon
checked and it's impossible to 4/5 dahlia in time for max countdown 2 but not too big a deal
misty forge
3/5 is enough to do beeg numbers anyway
cloud timber
in this case team is with 10/5 ss lysandre and 3/5 chase so she's functioning as an enabler/spammer, big numbers regardless
i think 5/5 dahlia as damage dealer still wins tbh but i'll push as much as i can esp since next water rotations will have 10/5 dahlia available
but also my gear isn't nearly as hyper-optimized as other top players could be
old valve
Okay so I guess I'll try DC Wally + Holiday Lillie first and uhhhh Elio NC Blue after?
Wish me luckkkkkk
cloud timber
glgl
nc blue + elio will likely underperform in comparison but you can still see what happens
debuffs are just that much less efficient on top of slower sing spam and needing gauge for sparkling arias
acoustic chasm
Man if only Lucas was lv.150 for those 200 dmg
feral hamlet
people are forgetting about their 4/5 arc lance? that feels like a very delibera...
Following up on this. What's the big advantage to 4/5 here? The reason I had him on that team was mostly for the double dragon rebuff and -6 SpDef. The b move was nice, but I could have made the 1M without it, I think
cloud timber
relentless makes him a better syncer than lucas if lucas isn't getting seun
making the most out of his massive sync bp
the b move on its own can easily hit 999k if you grid the smun tile for 2 smun on every sync
he can also set para for sing spam
feral hamlet
Oh right, you reminded me I needed to retry with Lucas having the SEUN tile active. I didn't have it before because I was trying with Red who provided it. Now this would be like having my cake and eating it too
cloud timber
a bit more making sure you're working with the right grids and a bit less changing things that already work would both go a long way
feral hamlet
I think the grid was with energy expanded? And/or I thought the general move-boosting multipliers would be worth it in the long run
cloud timber
i would recommend not copying energy expansion first yeah
if at all
drop move damage tiles first, then sync nodes
and you won't need overcap
plush palm
Oh right, you reminded me I needed to retry with Lucas having the SEUN tile acti...
SEUN licas grid is SUPER frustrating so gl
cursive linden
So this is Water 3T's best team?
safe prawn
So this is Water 3T's best team?
Give up max move +100 and go for super duper 4
Yes it’s RNG but it’s gonna be a great difference
cursive linden
So sacrifice 1 Sync boost?
true locust
Add more energy
true locust
If have 10E have all
I have all stuff in dahlia grid
Need 10E for it
Plus lillie need head start or adrenaline not cr2
Dahlia also not crit 2 but sp3 or wwe3
long silo
I'll have to resort to CS2
cursive linden
cursive linden
true locust
I have
1200+ bronze and silver 1000+ gold:) should farm it in lg like me:) 30/50 wins per day easy farming
Not mention i always do 130+ streak as well
I saw many farm auto and have like 10k each when wast last lg
cursive linden
Damn bro, that's crazy
long silo
The first time I attempted to tackle LG seriously was last Oct. I planned to do more streak after that but guess what
cursive linden
I sure hope that can help others
long silo
true locust
Its not about streaks
Its just farm
Most not even do more then 30-40 wins
They just auto teams farm it
I never like do it on auto first take alot more time and second you may lose your run . They some time press realy stupid button
cloud timber
dahlia can run nc blue + chase and be fine on gauge if you're also using muddy waters to proc seun, gauge alone doesn't have trouble reaching 6 syncs
this is without racing rain
might need more dodges to pull it off bc you're dealing with confusion delay
nvm you're dealing with it anyway
idk why people are sing spamming with dahlia
you are dealing with confusion and teeter dance animations much sooner than you do with sing spam so sing helps with rng reduction ig
vapid kernel
Yall think ny Raihan wud be any good for dc
long silo
No
cursive linden
Do it with SS Morty or other sun user
long silo
Reactive passive
And said passive summons Sandstorm, which is a whole other problem on its own
safe prawn
Or UB
long silo
Oh ye UB would be great too
How could I forget when I'm planning to use him against Dana
long silo
Wait he doesn't?
slender venture
I mean they are locked behind the enemy missing you
The worst kind of defense buffing
scarlet ivy
Provided you pair him with something with actual defenses, you can UB with him
but you cannot solo anchor with him expect results
long silo
Someone will be dumb enough to attempt that (me)
scarlet ivy
he trades having lots of gimmicks for having only crit as a buff
outside of the dodge shenanigans
Even then, you start with this odd slippery slope where you want to get hit and not get hit to max your evasion and stuff, so there's no real comfortable control
vagrant ivy
The worst kind of defense buffing
yeah when every UB worth it's salt has piercing gaze
so useful
scarlet ivy
I mean, i don't think letting evasion being functional is a bad thing tbh
and it would still be inconsistent
sly gorge
whats the most optimal team to use with champion iris as your primary damage dealer
she is unfortunately the only fully invested dragon type pair i have that could potentially deal enough damage to break 1m 😭
crude sandal
That depends on your supports
cloud timber
nc bianca + colress would be most optimal, 3/5 dc wally + h lillie or elio are other options
sly gorge
don't have 3/5 dc wally, but i do have h lillie
i also have bp barry and costume steven
cloud timber
setting her innate and devastation and pecking order are the biggest hurdles
sly gorge
yeah, for sure because i have to rely on two mpr2s to proc
cloud timber
sc steven + bp barry may be the call
cloud timber
oh yeah with no 5/5 +10e you'll have to live with that
misty forge
oh yeah with no 5/5 +10e you'll have to live with that
even there you're a tad short on energy because of soft 1
you're gonna always use 2 mprs if you wanna maintain max sync damage
vapid kernel
nc bianca + colress would be most optimal, 3/5 dc wally + h lillie or elio are o...
Bianca a must for the debuffing
Altho Oleana probably also Ok
cloud timber
yeah soften up would end up being better prob
cloud timber
luckily bp barry is the more important one to have and also much more accessible
sly gorge
exactly ☝️
anyways after 20 attempts i finally got 2 mprs only to misclick after getting it pre sync so erm 
cloud timber
you'll get it again
sly gorge
just did it, we take those fr fr
long silo
dire spade
Hi yall. Do we know what are the types and parameters for the next Ranked Damage Challenge on Jan 24th?
sacred badger
Hi yall. Do we know what are the types and parameters for the next Ranked Damage...
icy pendant
steel has no status conditions, dark has -80% DPS reduction
dire spade
Is the spreadsheet pinned btw?
icy pendant
That's just their personal spreadsheet
dire spade
Oh, ok
icy pendant
Lost updated the pinned infographic with that info as well, it's a few pins deep
sacred badger
Hrm its late January.... Along with HSE
dire spade
Lost updated the pinned infographic with that info as well, it's a few pins deep
I see. Thank you so much! 
sacred badger
Ive got 1 team down
icy pendant
Hrm its late January.... Along with HSE
There are multiple days between HSE ending and DC starting this time at least, let's count our blessings!
sacred badger
For steal, im waiting for el gio
icy pendant
I am done counting our blessings as there really only is one
sacred badger
;D
dire spade
For the next ranked DC, I'm cooked. I'm out of deluxe lucky cookies
sacred badger
My current teams for upcoming
vagrant ivy
i'm out of 3* reds sadly
sly gorge
i might do 6*ex ex role lear for psychic, nc serena and uhhhh idk for steel
icy pendant
My current teams for upcoming
ooh Chase Lillie with my super cracked Cerena gear is going to be fun again
(it's 30% it's not that cracked)
sacred badger
For psychic, old faithful
long silo
It occurs to me that I could potentially run triple Lear on this DC
sly gorge
got an idea for steel actually
dire spade
For Steel I have SS Lear. Psychic, my best option is SS Steven. And dark... well...
sly gorge
arc suit steven, aaron and base steven
sacred badger
ooh Chase Lillie with my super cracked Cerena gear is going to be fun again
My chase is 2/5R and holiday lillie is 1/5 without her exr
icy pendant
I unfortunately have all the top teams just not great gear so I need to learn how to use them
sacred badger
So perhaps
long silo
Maybe instead of Archer for 3v1 Dark, I'd actually run Lear lol
sacred badger
Im more concerned on iceRock hse tbh
sly gorge
super sparring this round aint too bad tbh
sacred badger
NC Serena gaming
sly gorge
hell yeah nc serena gaming
dire spade
I forgor NC Serena for Dark. Nvm 
long silo
I'm planning Archer but ye I'll entertain this triple Lear comp