#Damage Challenge

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was going to do sygna hilbert but then i have no supp sync

fluid anvil
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if you have only a 1/5 NC leaf - you can use her here (otherwise use her for the Fire stage)
otherwise idk really. its usually either Lenora or Yarrdenia or NC blue+melony

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i mean im fine with this score to be clear, im just trying to think if theres any way i can get to 2mil

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so if steven would save time + add some additional points over this penny comp then

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its not the end of the world if not

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but since ive been too busy to build out the animation length resource ive been thinking about

fluid anvil
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AS steven is kinda bad in DC, since his heal passive bleeds from every AoE attack
only really worth it for steel stages

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yeah, surf + eq prob bleed too much time on top of bmove animation time

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im also just mad because red literally will not crit any of his syncs and it takes so long to get there

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ugh. at least i didnt roll fully 0 sync crits this time

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did one more variation, i hate the 499 but not enough to rerun it to try and hit 500 lmao

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i doubt i'll stay at the master 3k i am rn by the end of the event but

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good enough

vagrant ivy
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that rock ST score

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do you not have gordie at all

dry whale
fluid anvil
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thats might be the highest 3v1 score there was so far (maybe NC leaf did more in 3v1, but I havent seen a screenshot)

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This is fine
I got tired of NCLeaf not criting so Ill leave it there LarryDead

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other than innate

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this is my deeply painful rock roster lol

crude sandal
true locust
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Nc leaf did 4,7m vokz did

fluid anvil
true locust
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He told like last time not post it;)

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So im keep my word

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i mean

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the whole point of what jerjok said was 'i havent seen a screenshot of higher'

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so if youre not willing/able to post the proof then it doesnt really warrant a mention

fluid anvil
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I mean I believe VoK got it, but still need a SS if possible

true locust
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Its his choice not my:)

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sure, im not doubting

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im just saying

true locust
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I saw it . So he did it🤣

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the message says "i havent seen a screenshot"

true locust
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But is only wat he improve

fluid anvil
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so then for now its
NC Leaf > NC Hop > AS Lance > Cl. Elesa, for 3v1

true locust
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Rest are not higher then befor his or my rock

icy pendant
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we also haven’t seen AS Lance without a parameter right?

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nope

fluid anvil
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not yet

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will be when shauna returns

icy pendant
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yeah so he might go a bit higher but maybe not enough to dethrone Hop

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im kinda shocked none of the rats are in that list but

fluid anvil
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Ash never had a chance. Red is not optimal for DC in a few ways.

crude sandal
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Ash is held back by no EXR

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i get why

crude sandal
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Which will not happen soon

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its just wild

icy pendant
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yeah the rats either don’t deal single target damage as their specialty, or take way too long to set up full multipliers

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crude sandal
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I'm just hoping in that near impossible chance that he reruns, he does rerun with tech EXR

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And hoping that Origin Giratina will put down SSR Cynthia

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i mean

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volo/origin giratina might also be a dragon unit

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instead of ghost

crude sandal
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... because giratina is dragon/ghost??

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and both lucas/dialga and cyrus/palkia are dragon

crude sandal
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so making origin giratina dragon while origin palkia and dialga are water and steel would be a neat inversion

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third member of the triad but also cast out/separate from the others

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its possible that theyll make it another ghost unit, i just think its not necessarily guaranteed is all

sturdy pebble
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How do I hit one mil HilbertHmm

crude sandal
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Anni Skyla's sync move was Hurricane because Bleakwind Storm didn't exist until PLA. Meanwhile Cheren's sync move is Bleakwind Storm

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ok?

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and tornadus is single type

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and a weird choice on top of that but thats a different bugbear of mine ;P

crude sandal
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Well, I'm kinda afraid that might happen because of Virizion

royal jolt
crude sandal
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Fighting for NC Bianca and grass for Morgan

remote pebble
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is ss hilda or mix blue better for bede’s stage

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depends on who else you have to build your team

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sygna hilda probably but

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you might be using blue for setting sun alongside her

crude sandal
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Blue is probably better if you get the RNG

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From TM MPR

remote pebble
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good god

remote pebble
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i have a lot of fire types for no good reason

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both may and gloria were mix scout pulls within like 2 weeks from each other

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gloria might outscore either

remote pebble
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even at 1/5? damn

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oh shes 1/5

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in that case nvm

icy pendant
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Hilda can max rising tide reasonably easily next to Morty

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(SS, not base)

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then yeah hilda morty > mix blue probably

remote pebble
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is the time loss from burn’s animation and lack of paralysis worth the extra damage you deal

icy pendant
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idt you necessarily need it but you could always try both ways

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DC is about trying things out after all

remote pebble
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this is true

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give me one sec memee

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im grabbing data for smth rq

remote pebble
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ok!

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sst red: 3.7mil
nc bianca/hop: 3.65mil
nc leaf: 4.1mil
jacq/nc rosa: 3.43mil
archie/nc serena: 3.27mil

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per the google sheet

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where is classic elesa's score coming from?

fluid anvil
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not all clears are on that doc

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i figured, thats just such a drastic thing to be 100% absent ykno?

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like yeah obvi its heavily biased towards eng players rather than jp

fluid anvil
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most people dont record the clears, much less upload/submit there

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but for her to just not have a single clear of anyone attempting in light of that screenshot

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anyway

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itll be interesting to see if we can replicate that next elec 3v1

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im also a bit skeptical of screenshot-only clears bc of the max dmg sync glitch that was found so i generally trust clears with either videos or multiple sources/a range proving the method more than just the one

crude sandal
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I swear, all we need to change the meta right now is support EXR SC Steven

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anyway. memee

remote pebble
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max dmg sync glitch?

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is this some mystical new tech

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heres the full fire 3v1 from the doc

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no

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it was used to get a 1mil og erika clear

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you have to like

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frame perfect switch to airplane mode or smth

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its stupid

remote pebble
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oh that’s hilarious

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and absolutely not worth it

icy pendant
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keep in mind that the sheet requires full video proof to be accepted on it

remote pebble
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quite funny

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and why i was ??? at classic elesa

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since she was nowhere to be seen

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like again, im excited to see it shake up the sheet next cycle

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but im also skeptical with only a screenshot of the end screen

sturdy pebble
crude sandal
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You know, even if Hilbert is better, I'm surprised no one's using Viola for bug 3v1 even if she has Paralyze Opp Fail Up 5 HilbertHmm

sturdy pebble
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Do you think upgrading a 4/5 Gilbert to 5/5 is worth WEEZing

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found it

true locust
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Heh its just bulshit:) its all

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Nothing like this exist

unique abyss
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it's true 100% legit

true locust
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If its true show videošŸ˜

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so yes. there is a bug/exploit that affects sync damage that can be abused for dc. this is not me endorsing or suggesting that anyone should use this (i would strongly, strongly suggest not. its stupid and kinda takes all the fun/strategy out of the game mode), but it is why i am skeptical until i can either see the run or others verify/replicate it

crude sandal
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Interesting

remote pebble
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ok i think scorching sync sucks

true locust
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Did any one try it?

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And worked

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so for context memee

crude sandal
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to see if scorching sync didn’t suck

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but it sucks

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hilda was able to still get scorching sync value in 3v3 bc of burning a side mon; thats... awfully low even with the timeloss to burn

remote pebble
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ahhh i see

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i would expect scorching sync for 3v1 to still be around a mil

crude sandal
true locust
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Yeap 3 vs 3

remote pebble
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but colress is also not the move here

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so once she's at +6 in 3 stats you dont need more

crude sandal
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Clavel is the best for water 3v1 now right?

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No, not Clavell, Mr. Rosfield

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Clive Rosfield

unique abyss
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Clive when

remote pebble
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that’s like +15

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then a team gimme five from ss morty completes it

crude sandal
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+12 from both offensive stats, +3 from crit and +1 from accuracy

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So she's at +16 using her TM

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but yeah to the point of colress, paraspam isnt helpful here because he's charging infliction - a) you want him for aoe para in ghost 3v3 more than in any 3v1, and 2) if you're burning here, then youre enabling a singspammer all the same

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youd need to test if you have enough speed for melony but

zenith jolt
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Then what's your team in fire ? huge however

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that alone will probably net you an extra sync, not to mention being able to set up faster

royal jolt
remote pebble
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would NC rosa work as a sing spammer, or would she lose too much time due to relic song gimmickiness

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it depends

zenith jolt
royal jolt
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3M if I just tweaked the move order

crude sandal
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because if you manage to do 3m, and 1,5m on rock ou could go higher than 8,5 actualy

crude sandal
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generally i would say relic song would lose more time than having her ex supp sync would be worth, but

royal jolt
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there are some cases where it works out

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so

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i do not have her so i cant experiment dhjdfgjk

royal jolt
zenith jolt
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what's your team ?

remote pebble
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good luck!

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can try a run with rosa sync and then without rosa sync to compare

royal jolt
zenith jolt
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then 1.6 is managable

crude sandal
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I think my team of Aaron/SC Steven/SS Diantha can be higher if my SC Steven was 2/5

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For the SEUN MPR

zenith jolt
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wonder how the top had 10m or more

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gear

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lol

zenith jolt
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possibly

crude sandal
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Man, I wish Adam could've gotten 11M

royal jolt
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tried having good gears but 2000 feathers spend, just 3 gears playable at the least

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that's why i gave up on the SuSp

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yeah i dont do the gear grind

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i use the guaranteed rainbow feathers from events

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and thats fine for me lmao

crude sandal
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So we have a new meta on rock 3v1 now

zenith jolt
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and know with the superawakening passives it will be more exclusive

zenith jolt
crude sandal
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ah but it's from d one this one

remote pebble
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well it’s definitely better

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might just try alt gloria here

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is that with or without rosa sync?

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i would genuinely try both

zenith jolt
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Vokz is even more impressive since he only have 367 duos, while others are way higher than 400 or even 450

remote pebble
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i’ll try without rosa sync

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also, god i wish i could rerun ghost without resetting my score

sturdy pebble
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it was such a pain to get everything right because i kept forgetting one thing or another

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doom we're working on it lol

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if nc rosa doesnt break 500 with only morty into hilda syncing then im going to say swap in ex melony if we have her

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for sing + supp sync

crude sandal
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Is Poppy better than Gloria for steel 3v3 or is Gloria still superior?

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poppy i believe

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gloria could catch up

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but

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this is also going to be basically 100% different with 5a lillie zone + arc steven rebuff

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so

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its kinda hard to say at this point

crude sandal
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part of poppy's niche is that her bmove > sync, and you can set it up with an empty twave

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so you just need infinite fmn or absolutely nuts gauge support

crude sandal
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And I'm still coping for that sweet tech EXR and steel zone on superawakeing

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gloria does better with a more classic setup

crude sandal
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For practically x2.25 more damage

remote pebble
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it’s definitely more good

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hell yeah!

remote pebble
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i do still want the full 1 mil tho

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even if that isn’t totally required in each battle

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yeah

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i think try melony then

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as long as you have her ex

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since then you can supp sync with her and not lose the relic song time

remote pebble
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that’s funny

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oh lmao

crude sandal
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Tell me, is Clavell better than Cerena for water 3v1 or she's still better?

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we don't know

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his bmove costs speed to use

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so itll be hard to say without being able to lab fully

crude sandal
sturdy pebble
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Clavell doesn't have Haste?

crude sandal
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because its basically a second sync?

crude sandal
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Not even Impervious for Jacq will save him from getting his stats depleted by his B Move

remote pebble
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man… i rly don’t wanna cake ssr cynthia but she seems like the only viable option for ghost 3v3

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unless i use morty. or something

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its 240bp, still scales off attack buffs and speed, and rain boost

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so for ghost

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i am a cynthia lover first and a human second so i would say absolutely cake her

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however

remote pebble
crude sandal
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we can tag team

crude sandal
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You and me #1 Cynthia haters

remote pebble
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hell yeah brother

fluid anvil
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crude sandal
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putting my own bias aside, your options for phys ghost syncers are sygna korinna, morty, fall morty, and fall acerola

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aside from loml that is

crude sandal
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OG Morty is the actual 2nd best

fluid anvil
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i caked her at 1/5 smh

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anyway.

remote pebble
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love of my life

remote pebble
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right right

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but yeah like

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of that list

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the two fall units will not scale well over time for maintaining value

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morty isnt the worst choice, but he has, ykno, drifblim stats

remote pebble
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i wish i had fall acerola but she sucks so much ass heartBreak

sturdy pebble
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Morty singlehandedly saved my Super Sparing score

crude sandal
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Physical ghost sucks major ass

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so if you Do have cynthia, you're shooting yourself in the foot a bit

crude sandal
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Because the majority of ghost DDs are special

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like, you would still probably want to bring her for ghost zone to boost morty

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and at that point you're just getting very narrow in your ability to then supplement and hike your score

remote pebble
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mwehhhhh fine

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i’ll cake her begrudgingly

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my non-ranked score was with her at 2/5

crude sandal
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I caked my Cynthias because I'm a meta slave

sturdy pebble
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approx. 600k

crude sandal
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Who's the 2nd best damage dealer for ghost 3v3?

sturdy pebble
crude sandal
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SC Irida or someone else?

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at 3/5, even with a truly scuffed setup/comp, i could rerun and as long as i get 1 more sync get to 2mil

remote pebble
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so if shes at 2/5 + cake, you can estimate about 600k

fluid anvil
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SC Irida can (barely) get 2M+ .. but only on no rule stages, no here

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which is below your preferred 1mil

remote pebble
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as long as i get the rewards and finish it before i go to work in an hour im good

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but caking her is definitely worth it given the paucity of other options, even if you dont like her

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and fwiw, to give you some schadenfreude since im a cynthia lover and you are not

remote pebble
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I can't help but think of the opportunity cost though LarryDead

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im a gen4bestgen unova hater and all the best units are unova 😭 i spent so many gems and 2 tech candies + exr resources to get 3/5 sygna hilbert because my bug roster was absolute ass, i have very very few rebuff units, am extremely short on aoe -spdef, and knew costume barry would get outscaled soon enough

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and that just bug šŸ˜”

fluid anvil
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Bug cannot be saved until bug arc comes out

crude sandal
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We don't even have a bug MF yet

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im gonna be real unless arc alder is on the level of nc blue i will be skipping him theres no saving that

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the utility of hilbert is in spite of being bug dgjhjhdf

fluid anvil
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just give me ghost arc and then SSRC can reach 5-5,5M CynthiaSmug

crude sandal
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Not before Origin Giratina beats her ass

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but like. sygna hilda. sygna hilbert. nc rosa, cheren, bianca, and nate. alder imminently, lenora who STILL wont show up in any of my pulls, anni skyla, and thats not even touching costumes/seasonals....

sturdy pebble
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so just know my joy of being a cynthia lover eating good (ssa cyn is genuinely one of the best designs i love that look absolutely iconic. and i kinda hate the arc designs) is balanced by dena being unova stans til the game dies dfgjhdfj

vernal condor
sturdy pebble
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Mine is just a zone bot tbh SophoKEK

misty forge
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Arc ghost will likely help renegade a ton

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Without stealing her zoning

vernal condor
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if arc ghost is strike, ssrc is dead

misty forge
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So she'll stay relevant

remote pebble
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damn it

misty forge
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If it's mostly a DPS

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Or supoort

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Renegade will stay relevant

fluid anvil
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wow smh call all yall arceus the way you're so mean to giratina

vernal condor
fluid anvil
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I hope*

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also, ghost has so many supports

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please god no

misty forge
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Renegade is just really struggling because other ghosts don't really work insanely well with her

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She's not awful

remote pebble
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does sing spam work against barry? i assume it does but i just gotta make sure

misty forge
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On paper

vernal condor
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check the pins

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you'll want to use aaron for defend order as your spam

vernal condor
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they released 2 ghost support last month smh

remote pebble
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and acerola this summer

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im... not entirely sure if oleana works with status immune actually

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+pins

remote pebble
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and allowed you to see the pins in threads

vernal condor
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arc ghost won't be a support WEEZing too many ghost support recently

remote pebble
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oh that’s FUCKING stupid

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(the video should show you how on mobile)

royal jolt
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why not

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10 ghost supports, 3 ghost supp exr, literally almost a full half of the 27 ghost units in the game are supports

remote pebble
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SEUN is nice

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please for the love of god. ghost unit that isnt a support

crude sandal
royal jolt
misty forge
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Anyway

remote pebble
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by using shadow force

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which sucks

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and wastes 12 billion years

royal jolt
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Not really...

fluid anvil
# misty forge Renegade is just really struggling because other ghosts don't really work insane...

? its the opposite - she works well with all the other top ghost pairs
with F.Iono, SC irida, Yarrdenia and now 10/5 SS Ingo - good teams with all of them and a few of them fix her shortcomings (ST dps and no extension)
this and having the best AoE ghost nuke is what keeps her good even without a 5/5 grid
10/5 SS Ingo + SSRC is probably going to be the best ghost team now, surpassing SC Irida + Yarrdenia and SSRC + Yarrdenia
and it will likely be the same deal with the ghost arc
Tbh SSRC is one of the best aged pre 3-rd anni MFs. Most of them have no niches now and hopelessly powercrept

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its excellent

misty forge
# misty forge Anyway

6 supports (4 of which in last year)
3 strikers (2 of which in last year)
5 tech

These are the limited ghost units

remote pebble
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oh that makes sense actually

remote pebble
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well i don’t feel like redoing it so i will be happy with my mid score

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honestly the thing i kept messing up was i would do shadow force and then forgetting i needed to use my last pre-ssr cyn sync move as ghost wish instead of twave lol

misty forge
royal jolt
misty forge
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Her nuke is really high

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But the other ghost top cut units aren't as great

remote pebble
misty forge
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At enabling and compensating

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So they'll get supplanted by the arc pair

fluid anvil
# vernal condor and acerola this summer

True, Summer Acerola was ghost, right? I forgot since she didnt really do much for ghost (no zone or rebuff), was kind of a generic tank
well still coping that ghost arc willbe a support

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misty forge
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If it's not a support

remote pebble
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oh

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right

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which is dumb and i hate it

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but

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yeah thats why aaron in particular

remote pebble
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and iron defense probably sucks too since it’s not technically a 2 stat raiser

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yep

remote pebble
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it raises defense then the passive raises spdef

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calm mind would work except that you're back to being a 2 cost

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instead of aaron's being 1 cost

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and oleana works bc she has twofer in her grid

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so 2 cost venom drench but every other one is free

remote pebble
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base deoxys has cosmic power????

misty forge
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You don't even need twofer

misty forge
remote pebble
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honestly fuggit i’ve been meaning to 3/5 oleana for a while

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i dont have steven so i cant speak to his viability but

remote pebble
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this gives me reason to finally do that

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remote pebble
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FUUUUUUCK

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yeah, its mean lol

misty forge
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You don't NEED it

vapid kernel
misty forge
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But it helps for consistency

remote pebble
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ur gonna run out of gauge so fast without twofer

misty forge
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You're not

remote pebble
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or without wasting time getting the entire party to +6 speed

misty forge
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Because of pep rally + mpr mgb

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It's tight

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But faster

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its like when you run melony

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you need to be smart/careful about it

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but you can do it

vapid kernel
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bro what

vapid kernel
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Like Sundering 9 is such a dated passive

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Have to bring the whole garage just to set her up

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b r o w h a t

misty forge
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Kek

vapid kernel
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And a Ghost Zone setter without zone extension

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Shes like an ant that can be crushed the moment a new unit releases

misty forge
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She's definitely the last unit ghost top teams wants to cut out

crude sandal
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||Liking the SSR Cynthia slander GladionSip||

misty forge
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Unless the arc unit has zone + nuke

vapid kernel
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Thats only because ghost roster is so bad, its not because shes "so good"

misty forge
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I never said she's "so good"

fluid anvil
# misty forge So they'll get supplanted by the arc pair

F.Iono will ofc be replaced by the ghost arc
for the rest it will depend on what the ghost arc does. I think Yarrdenia and SSRC are safer than SC Irida since they have zone
10/5 SS Ingo is pretty safe
SSRC herself will likely only be full replaced by the stronger newer Giratina, as long as it has an AoE nuke

misty forge
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But between all ghost units, she's still a top cut

remote pebble
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BWEHHHH i wish i had a billion tech candies

vapid kernel
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Ye the best orange at the bottom of the barrel

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like, if nothing else she has phys ghost as a niche

remote pebble
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i have so many 1/5 or 2/5 tech units that i want to get to 3/5

vapid kernel
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If type weaknesses wasnt a thing then every field unit will be rolling over her

misty forge
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Ofc

glossy token
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if ghost arc is phys, then she will have competition but probably more synergy than not

vapid kernel
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That Strike EXR really salvaged her

glossy token
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... yes, thats what exrs are doing for many master fairs

misty forge
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But her having zone + extremely high AoE nuke means she won't likely be cut out

glossy token
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like, if she had been tech/field

misty forge
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Even tho she's ass at everything else

vapid kernel
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Rmb she was barely good in her own High Score

glossy token
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that would be neat, but it also would be way more pigeonholed

vapid kernel
misty forge
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Cmon

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Let's be objective

glossy token
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like, as is i use her in csmm a decent amount

misty forge
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Those high score stages seemed to be made to make her unusable

vapid kernel
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A horrible hand in all 5 stages because outside of ghost weak shes super weak

vapid kernel
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Like SS leaf does more than her offtype

misty forge
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One was anti tech

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One was spamming fairy moves

glossy token
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yeah like

vapid kernel
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Well ye to declare my bias though

I dont own SSR WEEZing WEEZing WEEZing WEEZing WEEZing

misty forge
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Again, not saying she's a great unit, but it wasn't inherently her viability the problem

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The problem was every stage countering her specifically

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Pretty much

fluid anvil
misty forge
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Every 12 months*

fluid anvil
misty forge
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DPS wise I could see that

glossy token
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on some level, she is going to be 'worse' in the same way sygna red is 'worse' nowadays. its just an older unit. of course shes not going to do as much as a unit released this amount of power creep later

crude sandal
fluid anvil
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but you dont only look at dps, but the nukes too

misty forge
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Ssleaf DPS is actually really high on paper

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Yeah ofc

glossy token
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but like

crude sandal
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And Leaf's superawakening gives her -1 grass rebuff AoE with her Razor Leaf

glossy token
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shes certainly a better master fair than fuckin. leon

glossy token
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... thanks clair?

misty forge
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Me when some 2021 units are crazy strong

glossy token
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im trying to make a point but

crude sandal
fluid anvil
glossy token
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sorry that i break up my messages instead of sending a paragraph at a time

misty forge
misty forge
crude sandal
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The difference between someone with an EXR and soneone with not

royal jolt
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I'M SO CLOSE
GODDAMN IT

crude sandal
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And Gloria, being a 2020 unit and no EXR is better than a 2024 unit like Poppy in this mode

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That was random, but whatever

fluid anvil
glossy token
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yeah

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like

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considering her peer class of units in the same tier released in a similar timeframe

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archie and maxie?? anni steven??

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they gave anni steven a passive to entirely negate the cost of dragon ascent and hes STILL bad lmao

misty forge
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Stats cant be salvaged

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That's why renegade is still not absolutely garbage

fluid anvil
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getting Tech+Strike also helped .. A LOT

misty forge
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Yep

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With anything but strike...

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Oh boy

fluid anvil
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having the best nuke role combo + a manual WZT makes it way more acceptable to have low dps

misty forge
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Field would've NOT helped

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By much

fluid anvil
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yeah field would be worse - especially since eventually the 5/5 MF grids will probably come out - and the chance of getting an extension at 5/5 is pretty high
getting extension is much easier than getting expanded sync passive

misty forge
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Anyway, just putting out there that an optimal renegade nuke is barely 1/8th stronger than ssleafs

I hope the latter gets strike exR, but I guess she's getting support

glossy token
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i would love to know what denas exr assignment system looks like

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it does sometimes feel like theyre playing darts

acoustic halo
fluid anvil
acoustic halo
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I used Barry because of Cynthia's master passive

fluid anvil
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master passives dont affect sync damage

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but Colress Screech def drops do

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he can also paralyze all 3 at once which is better

acoustic halo
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true

vernal condor
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I'm looking at Sina, and I feel like she has a shot at beating NC Red in ice 3v3

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I think her sync is weaker, but she compensates by having so much accel that she might be able to use 1 more sync

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With Chase and Melony

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Her TM is -2 countdown, using 3 berries (which is fast) is -3 thanks to the passive, sprint is another -3...

royal jolt
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This hurts

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I wanted the +80 for Champion Leaf

glossy token
vernal condor
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Yeah it's good

glossy token
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accel + seun + zone +....

vernal condor
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she doesn't have zone

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she does with the SA passive but it's on entry so it sucks

glossy token
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ah thats where i had that from, mb

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i was gonna say

vernal condor
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if she had a more controlable zone, like on 1st b move use or smth, that'd be crazy

glossy token
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fair lol

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the whole berry thing she and dexio have going on is way too complicated for me

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but

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they look neat

vernal condor
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it's flavor lol

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Not a fan of what dena has been doing with berries

sweet grail
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0.00.16

vernal condor
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Except on Pal Victor imho, all of them are just "hey, that's not a berry, that's a 3 to 0 counter and when do you smth it's lowered by 1"

sweet grail
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Washed af

glossy token
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like sure ok its giving you the choice of 'do you want healing or do you want strength'

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but like

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you have no tm mpr, you have one berry ''''''mpr''''' at 5/5

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im also peeved that hilda is a grassy terrain unit, which is something i direly need (esp bc its infinite grassy terrain) but ughhhhh

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can we get shiny eeveelutions one of these years for some variety or Something. hilda doesnt match leafeon at all, especially not since we already have adaman, sygna erika, and mc eggmon (which, sure, can be shiny, but like)

pallid girder
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Soften up sounds like a possible candidate for a SA passive.

limber kettle
pallid girder
vernal condor
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because he's the only pair with rain + status lol

sweet grail
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Is 7 million enough for top 100?

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What is it looking like rn?

glossy token
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iirc 8.5 was top 20

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per discussion earlier

sweet grail
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Not helping

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But sure

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8.5 is crazy

glossy token
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oh you said top 100

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i read top 10, my b

sweet grail
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Anyone with actual relevant info?

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You alright over there?

true locust
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Top 100 is

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7.1m now

sweet grail
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Thanks

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Think i will barely make it

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Lol

true locust
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Hard tell 9h + left

vapid kernel
vernal condor
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except she still wants chase

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to top her evasion and spa

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as well as para and circle ofc

sweet grail
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7,479

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I think i am safe enough

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Oh yeah

sweet grail
fluid anvil
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Chases primary DC purpose is para + speed buffs for Melony spam
the rest are just a bonus

vernal condor
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nah that's nc blue's role

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if you have both and are using chase it's for the evasion and circle specifically

fair mist
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assuming the unit even wants chase

fluid anvil
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and Chases. They both do it. If you dont have nc blue, you can go Chase
ofc Circle is good, but you could still use Melony spam even w/o circle
also Chase is far better at paralysing all 3 enemies even at 1/5 due to para passive from AoE
while nc blue needs 2/5 for HE2 and even with HE2 he only has 9% to para all 3

fallen trail
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every dc stage has an aoe move

vernal condor
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technically chase is always better with special dps, just less consistent

fair mist
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if both are caked

vernal condor
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depends

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1/5 chase has no extension so having to circle twice sometimes is too slow regardless

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and blue ends up just being better

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you should try both every time technically

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even sometimes 3/5 chase is still worse and I can't really tell why

plush basalt
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I completely forgot about this event 😭😭

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Nobody got a F2P go brr and get minimums eh

cursive linden
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Because all f2p fighting units 5* are all striker iirc

icy pendant
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Brawly erasure

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actually you specify 5*, so Riley erasure

fair mist
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to 1m with brawly

icy pendant
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step 1 to using Brawly: Riley is right there

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but fighting is still an exceptionally shallow type which is its actual problem

fair mist
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why

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laziness!

teal harness
pallid girder
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It wont help f2p fighting roaster tho, which is what the above comment is complaining.

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For limited presense NC Hop is right there and alr reach over 4M which is top 3 score in st dc.

toxic pine
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Well this is the best I could do.

icy pendant
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you put your one spammer on the one battle that you don’t put spammers on

toxic pine
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Yeah.

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I never said I was good at the game.

icy pendant
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a spammer with SSR Cynthia and your total score basically triples immediately

toxic pine
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I can try.

icy pendant
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slide Colress up there, stick Aaron against Barry, run it back

toxic pine
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I'll just use Barry on Hau.

icy pendant
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Barry’s fine but Colress amplifies Cynthia’s physical sync

toxic pine
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Is it because he can debuff reliably?

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Or is there something in his grid that gives her PMUN?

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It's the debuffs.

icy pendant
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her sync move is physical, defense debuffs amplify physical damage

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Barry provides no additional value there over him

unborn otter
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What’s morty’s best team with 3/5 exr yardenia?

toxic pine
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Thanks for the advice.

royal jolt
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All I keep getting are marginal PBs on Diantha's stage

unborn otter
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Any morty teams

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My 3/5 ssrc has no cake.

unique abyss
# toxic pine

do you use shadow force before enemy sync for SEUN?

thick stump
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Yea that seems a lil low if shes exr

unique abyss
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enemy's sync cancels shadow force, but SEUN remains, so you can use it for sync

cloud timber
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with redlax it just eases the rng a little so it might not be a huge improvement without also switching off redlax

pallid girder
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Morty has like few different 1M team. Just chack the doc.

unborn otter
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I have 3/5 exr nc bianca too

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Is colress or barry better for morty?

thick stump
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I prefer colress for defense debuffs but barry gives 2x sync buff if ex'd

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So they about balance out in the long run

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Use whoever you dont have planned for another team

cloud timber
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probably colress if support ex is on the team already and barry if not

unborn otter
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Exr gardenia

cloud timber
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then yea colress

toxic pine
cloud timber
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it's also good as last move if you have enough time to fit it in

unborn otter
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919k with 3/5 no exr ss diantha aaron and sc steven

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@royal jolt how rng is nc leaf nc rosa redlax?

vagrant ivy
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we caught him since he used the exact same score in a supposed ā€œ1mā€ run on fairy ST with pal dawn

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since then he’s lost much of his credibility

icy pendant
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yeah, as we say in the splatoon community the 1.1m erika clear was HAXCHI

pallid girder
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Actually they thought it could be a good running gag but didn't make it clear.

royal jolt
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If you mean 3M? Very
For 1M? Easy

unborn otter
royal jolt
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I wish

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I was not gonna record > stop recording > resume recording > stop for hours 😭

unborn otter
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There’s a 1.2m rock team with 5/5 no exr ss diantha aaron and paulo

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Would that be better?

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My paulo is 4/5 exr

crude sandal
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Why am I weirded out that I'm seeing lower SS Diantha scores than me that have the exact same team as mine HilbertHmm

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Mine maybe 5/5, but my SC Steven is only 1/5

royal jolt
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What's your score / team?

crude sandal
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Aaron/SC Steven/SS Diantha 1.5M+

royal jolt
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Is Diantha 5/5 EXR?

crude sandal
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Yes

royal jolt
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Then that's why

crude sandal
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Nah

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5/5 barely makes a difference compared to 3/5

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Besides Soften Up at 5/5

royal jolt
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Idk
I feel like I got lucky with my score

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5/5 EX Aaron with HS1
1/5 EX SC Steven with HS1
3/5 EXR SS Diantha with CS2

crude sandal
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I feel like I could've gotten closer to 2M if I got 2/5 SC Steven

unborn otter
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I actually have to click rock wish twice

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Also i use type gears

sullen zephyr
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rei just barely gets past 1M for ST Fighting huh?

crude sandal
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Yes

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Because only 1 sync multiplier

sullen zephyr
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oh well, that's enough

crude sandal
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Good thing sprints have innate

unborn otter
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Should i 3/5 Barry or tierno

bleak summit
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Umm excuse me why is better a sing spammer than lodge barry

cloud timber
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if you have to pick between the two and you mean their dc counterparts then barry needs it more

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there is no lodge barry

bleak summit
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Oh My bad. Barry and roserade then

crude sandal
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Because the fail animation is faster

cloud timber
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charging infliction is slower

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costs time

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melony/rosa don't get slowed down by a passive and elio only gets slowed down some of the time

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so sing is regularly getting out 1-2 more syncs

bleak summit
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But the gauge isnt a problem?

cloud timber
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it is but nc blue/chase/sonia can provide

crude sandal
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Rosa is technically better here not only because of the fighting rebuff, but also because of her providing speed

cloud timber
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and redlax tms give some time for gauge to recover

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if your damage dealer is providing decent gauge

bleak summit
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Oh idk tbh šŸ˜…

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I have rei redlax 1/5 an nc blue 3/5 would that be enough?

crude sandal
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Well, your score will definitely not be high

bleak summit
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Forget it i forgot the sing spammer

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Yeah i struggle to get 1 million

crude sandal
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Rei barely gets 1M with some comps

bleak summit
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I only can do it in some fights

crude sandal
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As for me, I got 1M with him using NC Rosa and SSA Cynthia

cloud timber
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if you have nc blue you can just run nc blue/melony as your bread and butter for most stuff and get decent results most of the time

bleak summit
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I have 1/5 hop too would he be better?

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The zapdos one

cloud timber
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what move level is rei

bleak summit
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Rei is 3

cloud timber
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run with that

bleak summit
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Him, rosa and nc blue?

cloud timber
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yeah

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sensing redlax might be more optimal than blue since rei is good on gauge?

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remember to use his body slam to para, at 1/5 you'll have to rely on 30% though

crude sandal
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Can't you potentially get infinie SEUN with Rei's TM?

cloud timber
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sing spam relies on para to not deal with animations

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yea ig that could make blue more ideal

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one of his passives boosts sync moves so that could theoretically be best

rotund sierra
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One message removed from a suspended account.

bleak summit
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Thank you!

feral hamlet
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What's the optimal strat for the current challenge now that the mode is known better? No Bianca, ofc

dire spade
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Potential very first top 100 BarryPogChamp

vagrant ivy
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deceptively low

feral hamlet
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Been wondering how to get an extra mil on my Hau score

vagrant ivy
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might just be gear issue

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are you doing the thing where you shadow force before they sync for SEUN

feral hamlet
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Yes

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My average is 1.3M. The top is 1.6

vagrant ivy
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maybe u are just missing crits then

feral hamlet
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Every single time though? That can't explain a 1M+ shortfall

crude sandal
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I'm guaranteed top 500, which I'm happy

vagrant ivy
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maybe is move level issue, don’t have SSRC so don’t know too much

feral hamlet
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Everyone just gets 2M and I don't know how or why

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Maybe 4 syncs, but it's impossible. I only get 3 at the very last seconds

vagrant ivy
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don’t spam with both at the same time

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leer is not worth when colress already drops def

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swap to eVictor for ghost zone

feral hamlet
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Not spamming Leer didn't help. Last sync is at 23 seconds remaining, which is not enough to do anything

cloud timber
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cynthia covers her own ghost zone

vagrant ivy
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can you run a sing spammer

feral hamlet
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Victor Ghost Zone at the cost of no support sync and no spdef debuff which hurts the multiplier?

vagrant ivy
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and I’m pretty sure spamming with both together is not optimal

cloud timber
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when you have lenora it's perfectly fine to run bp barry and have 2m within range

feral hamlet
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Why is BP Barry better here? Another support sync?

crude sandal
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Because he's the only spammer with support EX

vagrant ivy
#

yea

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only para spammer

cloud timber
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colress offers nothing over bp barry

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oh yeah the aoe para

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but there's enough time to triple para with bp barry anyway

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or there can be

feral hamlet
#

But one less sync with Cynthia. So it's gonna be only 2

royal jolt
#

I feel pretty proud of my performance this time around

glossy token
#

alr, final check: how far down have i been pushed in 12 hours

royal jolt
glossy token
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honestly i was expecting to get shoved out of top 10k by now

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ssr cyn carrying me to my first ranked title lmao

cloud timber
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video does 1 sync with support ex and 3 with cynthia

royal jolt
glossy token
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3445 currently

royal jolt
#

Nice!

glossy token
#

definitely not up there with yall in the to 20

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or however much higher you've hiked your score since then fgjkhfdjg

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but hey, title's a title

feral hamlet
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Well 1 support sync is what I was already doing before. Regardless though, outcome is exactly the same as all my other attempts

royal jolt
#

But, it's enough

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The real issue was SS Diantha

glossy token
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its a multiplier, you're only losing yourself time tbh

royal jolt
#

That seems eerily low...

crude sandal
glossy token
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also, you should be using shadow force right before raichu syncs

feral hamlet
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Yes or she wouldn't even be hitting 1M

glossy token
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so that you get seun on your sync

cloud timber
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yeah it wasn't colress/bp barry being the issue

glossy token
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like it could just be bad crit luck

royal jolt
#

Maybe

glossy token
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oh wait

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also

royal jolt
#

Because that team could easily be 2M

glossy token
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you're not mpr-ing her

cloud timber
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lenora can max debuff and still get 4 total syncs

glossy token
#

youre only at +4 spatk and -4 def/spdef on opponent

cloud timber
#

and also yeah not maxing out your own offense

glossy token
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you want max atk/spatk on cynthia and min def/spdef on offense (def in this case bc lenora does both at the same time)

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so uh

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that i would say is your #1 issue

feral hamlet
#

Uh, this team can't max those stats?

glossy token
#

stack... um

royal jolt
#

MPR on Cynthia's TM can do it

It's on the way to one of her multipliers

glossy token
#

theres this thing called a sync grid

#

like... are you running haunted healing for some cursed reason??

royal jolt
#

I cannot believe I picked up Pep Talk 4 lmao

glossy token
#

i had to be talked out of going for ghost wish mpr

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which, im glad i was to be clear

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but

royal jolt
#

Two is more than enough

glossy token
#

yeah

royal jolt
#

I can get three syncs in one zone

glossy token
#

the paranoia at the end of watching it blink just always kills me lmao

royal jolt
cloud timber
#

time the zones after 1:40 and 0:50 and you'll always be safe

glossy token
#

but yeah anyway. reset for cynthia mpr, use leer 6 times not 4

royal jolt
#

I kinda just do it once it's time to sync with my DPS

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No real timing

glossy token
#

yeah, for me it fell into the timing of right after shadow force sync cancel

#

i messed it up. so many times

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bc i autopiloted to twave instead

cloud timber
#

yeah and that's why you're so unconfident

royal jolt
#

Yeah. It's always shadow force, then zone

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But, sometimes the opponent would be too slow and lead me to be too ahead

glossy token
#

lyndis what im hearing is u and i were both sitting there going shit goddamnit it not again as we reset over and over on the same things

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i coulve reset and tried for 2mil

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but i know i am too stupid dfhgjfdhkj

royal jolt
#

Lmao yeah
I couldn't figure out what was going on because my move order was the exact same

#

Sometimes, Hau would go too fast

#

Hau usually syncs after both of my supports sync

glossy token
#

the post-sync move delay is truly SO frustrating

#

sometimes its asap, sometimes its like

#

five whole seconds

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ugh

royal jolt
#

But, there were moments where he used his sync while I was on my way to my second support sync

glossy token
#

fascinating....

royal jolt
#

I only wish I had recorded my actual best runs

glossy token
#

theres always next cycle!

#

slowly but surely we'll populate the sheet ArchieFlex

royal jolt
#

I dunno about making it high on the board

Single grass...

#

My clear was 1,009,000 or something around that

#

All I've got is SS Erika, so

cloud timber
#

it definitely can be a pain to record everything but if you do get in the habit it can be really nice to go back and reference

#

i didn't save any recordings for ssr cynthia bc i thought my runs were trash, 2.3m with bp barry/dahlia

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i saw people get much higher with the same team but idk how much is gear

feral hamlet
#

Somehow that made the difference. I've never gotten 2M on any challenge ever

glossy token
#

told u

#

ggs

long silo
royal jolt
#

I totally get the reference thing

glossy token
#

yeah, for me its the fact that it just takes so long much longer to rip a run if im recording

royal jolt
#

I like to document my runs. But, m a n

glossy token
#

so i tend to accidentally forget to re-press record and then i just ughhhh

royal jolt
#

Congrats

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That was also my first 2M in DC, I think

feral hamlet
#

Play this exact precise way and reset a ton. I wouldn't say easy. But thanks for the guidance. I had revisited this one several times throughout the challenge period

glossy token
#

i mean, your reset point is immediately so

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could definitely hurt a lot more

cloud timber
#

oh you stop recording on every reset? should be better to just do every run on a single recording until you get something and then trim it out

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that's what i do

glossy token
#

its just does ssr cyn mpr or nah

royal jolt
#

I like to have stuff start on the ready up screen

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That's it

glossy token
#

bc i would 100% forget i was recording, get distracted by a discord ping, and then it would be trying to save a 4 hour video

glossy token
royal jolt
#

Also
Storage. But, that can be fixed if I stopped being lazy

cloud timber
#

oh yeah wanting recordings like that is a massive time sink

glossy token
#

ground triple got me my first mil clear

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bc cynthia go brrr

#

<3

royal jolt
#

Fingers crossed

cloud timber
#

arc cynthia?

glossy token
#

šŸ¤ž good luck lyndis!

royal jolt
#

I wonder if we'll get a rotation in which I can confidently do all three stages

royal jolt
#

I had to use SS Gio for triple ground

glossy token
#

oh god ground single sure was a long time ago huh

royal jolt
#

Shout out to Courtney, my beloved

glossy token
#

no charging infliction for paraspam, no ex supp sync, just bertha for sand and a prayer

royal jolt
glossy token
#

much like lenora has yet to show up for me, courtney is still at 1/5 somehow

feral hamlet
#

Keep grinding for top 500? HildaCry

royal jolt
royal jolt
#

Courtney*

glossy token
#

aww <3

#

you get to handshake with tai gunning for malva a few months ago

royal jolt
#

Wdym?

glossy token
#

malva/talonflame

#

team flare admin kalos e4 member

#

released as a spotlight after anni

royal jolt
#

No no, ik her
Who is "tai?"

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OH

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@wide shore

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the mod dfhfgh

royal jolt
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Ohhh

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Gotcha

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(hi tai this is me reminiscing on your malva dc submission <3)

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i hope you got a good malva score for fire ranked

royal jolt
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I wish I had Malva

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but yeah like

wide shore
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i almost hit 400k!!!

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im so proud!!

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lets go malva!! lets go tai!!

wide shore
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YEAH!!!

royal jolt
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and soon you can pair her with dc tierno to set sun and just pretend its both malva talonflames

royal jolt
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I hoped she would've had both Flare Blitz and Brave Bird with Recoil Removal 9

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god if only

loud cedar
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i might prepare

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for fairy 3v3

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i have the 5/5s but missing the gears

long silo
royal jolt
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These moments are always more nerve-wracking than the actual runs themselves

long silo
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Bestie I tried doing more runs but Chase is clumsy today

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but ok. before i forget: somehow all the genpool units who would genuinely help my overall roster strength i have at either 2/5 (nessa, darach, bertha, volkner, may, elio, gordie), 1/5 (aaron [who i know i dont Need higher than 1/5 for the most part but. augh], courtney, olympia, guzma), or i just. have not managed to pull (lenora, gladion, [who i mostly want for lodge gladion], guzma only recently left this category)

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and instead i get... more glacia dupes from my full pool tickets and dupes of ryuki/kukui or grimsley from my regionals LarryDead

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alas

royal jolt
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Guzma and SC Barry carried me in triple bug

feral hamlet
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I couldn't beat it...

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Just required too much RNG

rose basalt
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for the next single: poison, whats the best pair

sterile pilot
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Ig thats top 100

royal jolt
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Good work, everyone!

feral hamlet
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Honestly, I'm still okay with the fact I got top 1000 for the first time in anything. Sure beats the salt mines of High Score grinding

brazen escarp
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where is the schedule for DC?

crude sandal
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Novermber 21 - November 29

normal parcel
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Guess if I want to get top 100 once this is my very last chance, before 10/5 WailordWhale starts pestering the ranks

brazen escarp
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todays?

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what would be good teammates with courtney, i dont have bp barry and 1/5 colress btw

normal parcel
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Today shouldn't be an AOE stage?

brazen escarp
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cuz move candies are just hard to get even if u buy them

pallid girder
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Well if they always do 10 mulitis for all future pf banners they dont need that much move candies.

brazen escarp
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And a bunch of coins

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So it's not a whale only thing

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Imo for their self imposed problem they handled it pretty well

delicate star
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is ingo good for the damage challenge

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ss ingo

pallid girder
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Can only know until ghost dc drop but I think he has potential to be top in 3v1

vernal condor
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he definitely has

cursive linden
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Will-o-wisp spam PoryWoke

cloud timber
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won't be getting away with that one

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sing spammer will do better

long silo
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maybe Chase + EVictor can sustain the WoW spam? Idk lol

cloud timber
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without haunted acceleration on his own grid the gauge has to be too bad to be worth it

pallid girder
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WoW is a cool abbre

vernal condor
cloud timber
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you've seen much more than i have so maybe

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pal serena can spam without speeding sun

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but she's also faster

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with the right partner I think he can spam himself RosaThink

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We'll have to see but I have hopes

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I'll definitely try it, mine will be 3/5 by then

cloud timber
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my concerns would be that v kris spam or dahlia spam weren't completely definitively better than just going back to sing but idk how well-tested they were

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and ingo seems in a worse position relatively

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trope had a screenshot with melony v kris that was higher than his submitted score

vernal condor
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if you have the gauge, sing or anything else is the same

unborn otter
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I got 886k in grass 3v1 with ss erika nc blue 3/5 dahlia. Had trouble with gauge near the end

cloud timber
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and i don't believe ingo would have the gauge

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but we'll see

vernal condor
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It's ok, he can alternate with tm mpr SerenaSip

warped gulch
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Jesus, her 1st Sync is insane SophoKEK

vernal condor
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wait

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10/5 ? lol

warped gulch
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Yeah

vernal condor
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you did 10/5 her ?

warped gulch
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Imagine i can lol

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This is my friend account

vagrant ivy
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first sync 886k

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wow.

warped gulch
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I borrow to test some funny stuff

vernal condor
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record a clear with their account DawnNom

vagrant ivy
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who was the previous leading unit for fighting ST?

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nc hop nc bianca colress?

vernal condor
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nc hop

vagrant ivy
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yeah uhhhh

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10/5 really ain't shit

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@warped gulch what score did you get with that

warped gulch
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Not in the leader board

vernal condor
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Did I tell you to ask for permission