#Damage Challenge
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Even with charging sun 2 still had a bit of gauge issue in the last seconds
Is ss erika nc blue melony better than ss erika 3/5 dahlia and 2/5 sc steven?
5 lyra syncs… and of course the last one didnt crit
Rip
Maybe
you would need 3/5 SC Steven anyways for Adrenaline tbh.
so NC Blue/Melony would be better imo
regardless, both will be hell either way
I appreciate that SS Erika has an innate Crit on her sync
done
Interference Sync would not help
just wait for 15/5 MF boost
You wouldnt be able to use it
Because trap and confusion are so slow
oh tru
It's already hard to get all her syncs in
alrighty
that works
this wouldnt have worked without chase lol glad i got him from mix pity now
Chase is great for DC
Yes u almost there!
With 3/5 chase theN SS lyra goes up to 1.3M
mm
No it's sync rush
Idk chat, I think this might be another DC where I fail to reach 1M
This is the best I've gotten. And I haven't been able to replicate it
what sync grid are you running?
oh wait.... i just realized. 1/5s

Yup
What's the best Adaman team here
A case study:
thinking about it grass kinda went from one of the strongest types to one of the weaker types in the span of a year
just bc every other type has gotten busted exr damage units
Grass is deceptively weak
Still better than bug and normal 
I thought I'd be fine with SS Erika until I saw her Atk. stat
Sorry, an atk stat isn't something she has 
Dawn has that innate multiplier
that, too
I'd try her, but I haven't figured out how to max her attack
Arc Steven comes to mind, but I'd need a way to spam for countdown
problem is pecking order requires to lower the enemy attack haha
OK, it does seem like SS Erika struggles with the stage. I could only get 835K on it.
Wait, is this a new DC?
Protagonist benefits
So how do u rush sync here
Wait nvm i found thr vid leme watch
it’s tuesday
so yeah
new single target dc every tuesday
Omg that clear is crazy Yukure
What was the previous one?
And i forgot Dhalia has teeter spam
that's how I managed my 900k with SS Erika
previous was ground mt, this is grass st
next is flying mt, the last mt stage
then ice st, the last st stage
Oh phew, thought I missed one
i might be cooked
and ice single prob (forgot the pearl clan girls name)
they better give us the normal dc pair in november

hop and dubwool 
Yes, Hop and Dubwool the normal dc pair
JINX
literally no one bcs zone on entry sucks
that's my main grudge against the DC Zone pairs
all of them are on entry. That's your set-up time 😭
Flying triple.. Holiday Rosa can do this
I wonder if anyone has done a Ramos clear
serena but no ex
maybe 300k
is it like only one grid mult and it’s sleep or is there more
and worse setup and multipliers
bro is terrible
(actually he got better mults, but the setup is awful)
sleep and Double Down
Not the Tech Rosanta 😭
Does this help your case study?
i've been wondering how effective bp lusamine leaf storm spam could be
bullying again smh
If im bullying ss erika, yes
Well, now that my SS N is 3/5, my tech candies can go do Dahlia or something
140 non-EX will do that; ~40-50 less atk, no 1.5× sync multi
Indeed, I cap myself in some single target DC stages because I find EXing tech units less useful than EXing Striker units
I just like Erika and leafeon
My mentality: why spend 20 tickets only for extra DC tickets?
Fair 🙂
I myself have EX’d some tech units only because I enjoy the outfit
The correct way to play
The best kind of correct
What...happened here?
- It’s a striker
- It’s not EX’d
Not really for single target but if it’s EX’d then it can be used for triple target grass weak when that eventually rotates
My only grass tech is SS Leaf but i wasnt confient in her sync nuking ability at 4/5
That is unfortunate
Striker EXs doesn't increase sync power, only converting it to AOE.
Indeed
Apologies if adding “it’s not EX’d” confused anyone
A run I literally just finished
Biggest downside vs Erika is no SEUN and lack of sync boosts
Also requires poisoning
Yeah I got 600k with my 5/5 10E ssleaf
Sadly can't really get more
Poison and no self setup + a cd TM you can't use...sucks for DC
She does better than erika?
Has anybody done mallow?
~400atk with a few sync boosts
But needs sun and someone to boost her atk
Mallow needs confusion
As well as atk drops
A bit difficult to set up when you also need GT and a way to sync rush
oh i got this last night with +6E
Red, Larry and SC Steven disagree
Is there a physical rough eqv to NC blue when it comes to DC support?
nope
Damn
But Hilbert doesn't paralyze
closest as in most efficient attack buffer, sonia is closest if you're looking for para
Oh and she gives MGA with potion...
Elio is alright at buffing atk if you don't mind resetting and you have another form of crit buffing
mallow and ramos can spam on their own, just 2 bar
so they can afford hilbert and not rely on charging infliction potentially
Ramos needs sleep for his sync boost tho
ramos isnt doing shit here lol
Sonia is quite decent
correction: he is in fact doing shit!
She can paralyze and can max atk and CRIT with mpr
I really like classic elesa for single target
She's nice for characters that have power play
But there isn't a physical version of NC blue, outside of DC arc Steven is basically physical NC blue, but in DC is much worse
Still shouldnt be so low wtf
Sc steven is the only real Physical DC Unit. Problem is he can't para.
Remember when physical units where considered superior in DC because of SC Steven and colress

I still prefer physical dc tbh since it's easier to debuff def
I don't remember that imo, but i do remember people sauing colress and Barry were the meta
I mean spdef debuffs are much harder to get than def debuffs, but generally that aren't worth it if you can just sync more by not going for them
I know right???
I used the full nuke set for good measure too
What's the best team so far?
And i have exr morty so sun stayed up
best team i know of is adaman/redlax/melony, batman scored higher but had much better gear i think
and then adam's at 2.6m which idk
I'm so cooked, chat
Idk about this one. My Adaman is 2/5
Skill gear gives SS Erika +95 Atk.
It's honestly pretty good tho 
1/5 Dahlia, good
I'm still trying to see what I can use lol
I could copy yours as I do have SCteven at 2/5
What grass techs do you have
Joining a bit late but here my run
if adaman got sprint exr which i think is likely could he squeeze one more sync in?
Sorry it's a bit late
Good luck!
What is the best option here? I have stuff like champion blue and red lax
Please ping me
Only SS Erika
you can see down there a 3/5 EX Adaman lol
So adaman?
He's literally the predicted best nuket
Would've been SS Acerola + Colress, but your SS Acerola is 1/5
What is ft1?
What cookie? I don't have purple
bronze/silver pink
bronzes are the only ones that give ft1, silvers have a small chance at ft2 only
melony only
I think I will have to settle with this. I guess it’s not bad for a striker and I don’t have the resources to EX SS Erika
So let me get this straight:
Melody: sing nothing else
Red lax: body slam to paralyze and then just sit there until both supports sync. Then use tm to speed up adaman sync
Adaman: use synthesis to burn a turn, use the b move, use tm, then b move again
redlax tm doesn't help for speeding up syncs, just there for seun and helps give time for gauge to recover
but yes
Oh I thought it decreased the countdown
it does but it's faster to use sing if you only cared about getting the sync
it does but it's slower than clicking sing twice
so it's more there for power than for speed
Also Group Morale 4 can trigger
Ah that makes sense
Is this the grid I want for red lax?
Or something else?
Please ping me
missing hostile environment which is essential
so that gets tm mpr, hostile environment, adr, and speed tiles
That explains it, thank you!
Any 1M clear with Celebi and no Chase? or is she doomed because of grassy terrain healing?
She's not doomed, but she has Power Play as a sync multiplier
yeah that kinda limits her partner, I tried Celebi (3/5) - BP Barry - SC Steven and only scraps 600k
that clear above has elio and c elesa
same idea as chase + ss cyrus, paralyze and sleep spam with hella debuffs
elesa gets them to -18 after 4 moves, idk who else can debuff that fast
I wonder what TM Bianca uses when this next DC comes
@cloud timber do I want this or cs2 on adaman?
Ig this one
cs2 is preferable bc the first sync isn't under sun
Thank you!
flying multi soon ;x
Just wanted to test this team to see how it would work. SS Acerola slows everything down.
gl
Also, I just felt like testing Larry for this run.
has anyone beached 2 mil yet
doesn't Larry have numbing blows? melony would be better here
instead of bp barry
you could open the lb but yea adam trope batman have
It was just a test run. I'm going to be more serious on my next runs.
I am lazy. Thx
ah fair. I hope you get in the top 5
f2p ss erika 1M yet?
incorrect.
there is a F2P SS Erika, but it requires Skill gears and Max investment of SS erika with Melony and Sonia
yeah i haven't seen it anywhere
Ah
I'm not gonna drive myself insane by trying to roll it. I've got no feathers, anyway
I got 1M with NC Blue/Melony 
What skill gear?
Does it matter? I think the 2 para procs carried me
I mean, I couldn't get to 1M with them 😭
So, maybe the trick is to get para procs? Did you even find yourself relying on them?
I honestly didn't care
Ok
I'll give it another go eventually
Gonna wait for 2 more days
Lmao
Let's see if Tornadus is better than Tornadus
He1 is just qol, without you just have to reset more
yeah and you don't want that
in a world of practicality you need it
would be different if redlax specifically had better stuff to grid
Is. more that is really nice to have, but definitely not mandatory (1/5)
I mean if you have access to it, just pick it
oh yeah 1/5 can still make do without
If you don't, it is still viable (annoying but viable)
you aren't required to candy for it
How much RNG requires a 2m run?
With Rosa I got 1.65m but with just 1 support ex and without enfeeble in favor of speeding sun 2
But Rosa with speeding sun 2 was a bit tight with gauges, can ft meloniy keep up without speeding sun?
Meanwhile, I'm gonna see how well 1/5 Fall Shauntal enables Power Play SS Lyra
Oh?
You got 2 para procs but not the same score as me? 
I'll see what I can do for gear. I haven't got many feathers left, but I'm sure I'll think of something
The only multiplier on my skill gear is Physical S-Moves Up 2%
I've got none, just +100 on Atk.
And I also have +100 Atk. too
I have a Solar Flare 4%, but it'd give me +95 Atk.
It's still better
Forgot to do this sooner
I'd probably want to go with Adaman, right? For the rebuff and all that?
Or does him being 1/5 make Erika outclass him somehow?
ss erika is probably better than 1/5 adaman
Every time, I get so close
I'm ONE move away from another sync
Would it kill Nemona to miss a few moves??? 🫠
But that wouldn't make for a very fruitful battle, now would it
haha
Tried with Adaman
Definitely lol
This a good grid for Erika or am I missing something less immediately apparent as important
Oh yeah one more thing
Does Solar Propulsion only work on Pokémon moves or does it apply to Trainer moves too
It applies to trainer moves, too
You weren't thinking of relying on it, were you?
I wouldn't say relying on it
But I might as well get at least, like, one of 'em early in if I can, right?
i'm not sure about best ss erika grid but that one has tiles on defensive stats that can go to solar blade power
Shout out to good ol' evasion
FINALLY
Skill gear specs:
+100 Atk
Physical S-Moves 3%
Grass S-Moves 2%
Grass Moves 2%
Crit: Moves 2%
Siiiick
...It really is pretty convenient that people can make thumbnails with mostly just sync move animations and they still look good, huh
Never thought about it before now lol
I thought it looked good and gave the info you'd want:
Units
Score
My first-time run thumbnails don't really have that look, but it's whatever ^^
I do not photo edit so I just screenshot whatever good is from the vid itself lol
I know a lot of players just use the auto-generated thumbnail
I just like to have stuff look nice :)
@thin wren can I see your OG Lear skill gears?
I want a visual reference of what to aim for
I know you said 35% sync but I just want to see lol
Lear whit snatch use 3 times may be not the best set him it alot time: efforts
Oh I just need to see the gear lol
I just want reference in general
Not necessarily for DC, but I know Doom prepared for Lear so I chose to ask here
for dc?
Opp Paralyzed 45% 
Oh you have different gears for other modes? But yes I want to see what your DC gear looks like
give me a minute, also iirc I said 27%. 35% is what I am aiming for
Oh okay
I made Lear gear for mr as well yes
Also what feathers did you use
yellow and purple
sorry for the bad quality of pics. Only ones I had on me rn. Trying to get a better pin currently
wait, the bandanna numbers don't show. The red one is 5% and the other is 9%
Thank you
We've reached the final threshold
I'll look at those purple ones
Status condition is zero boost
I was think befor but its not it
I will be trying chase
ohhh
For you is 7%
Yep
Just gear boost sync
Time to grind gears again
Need "Opp" at start
Like that bracelet
Opp or type moves
guh
Or special itc
Or critastrophe
Ye
Boost sync / moves
or unscathed but that's a bit weird to maintain
Unscathed is pointles
Anyways I want to improve my fighting gears so I asked
It's shit
Need flinch or sleep perma
it's hard to maintain unless you dodge everything
Its why its pointless get it
It's shit in every mode
Time to spend all my rally points on feathers
I was think similar like you
Since its same haha🤣
Now i got why i score soo low vs others now make sens
Good next rotation i fix it🤣
So can easy get more score then befor
that explains why my early psychic st score was only 1.5 mil
Look like same but need read
reading is hard.
But now some make sens since my hop in ranked was para and score more then
Now all make sens🤣
Since this goat use body slam wat can para you
But yes time to grind for my own gears too
Dawn run just for fun 
How much did NC Blue get in electric?
Dawn has innate and a +100% from grid
I wish they give her tech EXR lol
Yeah which is why they stopped giving supports innates after first anni
Or field
In 2030 when they start powerboosting spotlights via EXR
it would have been funny if nc blue also had innate
blue should have been able to get about 700k but i didn't bother redoing the same thing
Still would've suffered his abysmal spa
But yeah with -2 rebuff he can make up
like there's this from testing but melony would have been a lot better
That's just false
Both have an innate and a mult in grid but Dawn has a higher Attack stat
Dawn also has a +30 atk node on grid bc why not 
oh yeah and nc blue got 1.5m on 3v3 with adr not 1m
I forgot CS2 on dawn
Rip
Still close tho
Plus support and strike
THE EVIL IS DEFEATED 
Improvement was made.
Should this team be able to beat r1 bruno
@2500 ish points
Im at 2700 cuz i picked up no wtz
This is the wrong channel mb 😶
How much can mix red do in single target?
600k or so with gacha supports
Someone did 1m but it was a crazy team and prob skill gears
Oh
How do challenge sheet work
I can't see any videos in it
The videos aren't in the sheet, the sheet has links that lead to the videos
Hello. I'm the 1m Mix Red person
Grid and Skill Gear: https://imgur.com/a/faqiL0S
Lucky Cookies Used:
Mix Red: Critical Strike 2
Dahlia: Critical Strike 2
Chase: None apparently
submit to the sheet 
Already there lol
oh yeah i forgor
Oh that's not that crazy lol
I click on them , they just bring me back to the same page
Are you clicking these?

No
I was clicking on challenge name 
what
Outside of adaman she's the only one that gives grass rebuff I'm fairly sure so no
You can use a support that gives you seun if you want
no bcs no supp with seun can spam
Ah yeah the other teammate doesn't spam
dahlia is mandatory for this team to work
No substitute then
Ye I went Dahlia because -6 SpD, Rebuff, and Spam
Hey! I recognize two of those names!
Same, mael and yukure were just talking here 
Actually I used this team as a test drive for SS Ethan on 3v3 Flying but apparently it has potential for Red 
Nice teams though jokes aside
I recognize all of those names 
wdym it's because im the one updating the doc
Would probably not cross 2m for him but hey, there's that
SS Ethan has a chance to be worse than lodge skyla

What the, even with exr?
Ss ethan takes too much time imo
Time for me to show the world that my 150 5/5 EXR SP3 SS Ethan to be worse than the lodge unit 
Especially when he needs trapped
Skyla got
- quick setup (needs an ally for +2 Atk which might be her biggest issue)
- x2.8 mults
- SEUN on 1st and 2nd sync
- +6~8 PMUN final brave bird
I learned of Teeter Dance Spam during 3v3 Fighting when they used it for Rei/Rosa/Bianca
Initially I was going for Ethan/Dahlia/BP Barry, but with that new info, I can slot in Chase
chase the goat
So yes I will submit the only SS Ethan clear (probably) on Friday
My actual run will be NC Cheren tho
It's a shame he has Shower Power and Interference Sync as multipliers in addition to his Brainpower
I do, too
It's far too out of the way if you wanna spam
He skips existing altogether for this
Shower Power + Interference is specifically why Dahlia
BUT. If rain is not that worth it, then I can try Chase + NC Rosa
Or NC Blue + NC Rosa
Maybe I'll just submit all three to inflate the Ethan count 
Won't Dahlia spam be less effective because of three opponents?
Maelmc would appreciate more entry I suppose lol
if you use dahlia you might as well spam with her
She does the spam yes
the delay makes maintaining the gauge easier
Hm, I see
But yes time for me to submit them and not breach 2m
That's C!Cheren territory
I hope
CCheren best partner is Pal Serena 
I'm using him for my actual high- no Pal Serena 
No Pal Serena here, either
I tried a test run with the classic C!Blue + C!Rosa and got four C!Cheren syncs, iirc
This is the best cheren team Im pretty sure 
how many syncs total tho? 5?
I'll be doing Ethan compilation so we can all point and laugh
Will try different team with him and see
I do wonder tho.
Could the Teeter Spam elevate Anni Skyla
what's rdc this time
Wondering if NC Cheren needs 3/5 to 1 mil or if 1/5 is more than enough
ST Rock - no status
AoE Ghost - Phys only
St Fire - no rule
the doc is updated with that 
If nc cheren needs 3/5 to 1 mil, probably gonna use Bp Barry/Nc Cheren/ Lodge skyla tbh
1/5 NC Cheren should still get 1m
So then Colress/NC Bianca/Nc Cheren
Can NC Silver do at least 700k in Rock ST?
I wonder why did they make ghost aoe phys only

Maybe 3/5 
For us to suffer with Non-3/5 Giratina havers
I have him 3/5 EXR
there's a f2p 1 mil comp for st rock@cursive linden
I just want to know if he can do 700k with no status
Or at least the B Move needs to be +10 by the very end
What's the team comp?
aren't they supposed to make us want to pull fiono
Yeah
I guess I really got lucky the first time I tested the team
Why are they discouraging fiono
Do you have SC Steven
They did. By giving us rebuff for AOE lmao
I don't remember
But doesn't this rely on burn?
But anyways @cursive linden do you have SC Steven and Oleana
I do have SC Steven but not Oleana
Hmmm
when burn is only on a single target and it's enabling melony it's better than bp barry/colress still
Maybe Aaron can spam but the lack of outside help for the def buff hurts
Oleana needs 5/5 to spam I guess
oh fuck
In reality Gordie doesn't really want burn, is just that burn allows sing spam
I was thinking Samuel can do something like this to brute force 1m on SS Silver
Grid and Skill Gear: https://imgur.com/a/gVAhOK4
Lucky Cookies used:
SC Barry: Super Powered 3
SC Steven: Headstart 1
If no 2/5 Steven then 700k is still possible
5/5 oleana havers will use her in rock weak
3/5 don't think can keep with gauge since Gordie is quite slow
1/5 definitely can't do anything
Maybe Aaron, but don't know if it can keep up with gauge
Sorry when I said this I was referring to what Samuel can use with his 3/5 Silver, not in general
For Gordie then yes Oleana needs 5/5
I guess is either 5/5 oleana or bust
The fact that 5/5 Oleana is a meta option is such gatekeeping
The result of DeNA countering the status spam 
Not really
5/5 Oleana is worse than BP Barry in most situations
Bcs Twofer is slow, so you might as well para
As slow as charging infliction that is
Any leon tier strategies that dont involve adaman or 3/5 ss lyra
Wait Twofer is slower? I thought they were more or less the same
SS Erika but majority still needs premium supports
Ive got 3/5 ss erika, sc rosa, ss leaf
Doc has some of them
Twofer and inflictions are the same
So you might as well use the pair with paralysis so the opponent attacks less
Ah
Ive got redlax, ss acerola, sc steven
Unless you actually wanna drop stats with Oleana ofc
Acerola seemed really slow. Grassy terrain slows down actions a lot because of the healing
Not possible. It meant the opponent will be poisoned. Which means Twofer bug will trigger
Unless the gauge can support removing twofer
Yeah, just dont use Twofer 


I successfully used non twofer Oleana for this DC, but she's gauge heavy
This is dumb bit how do i check pins on a thread
At least on mobile
Oh its under settings
+pin
I used it on poison. It works because the poison proc is slowing everything down lmao
This one seems like too much effort without adaman
So, Sonia, Melony, and SS Erika 1M is possible
But, my runs are falling just a bit short. I may need to +10E my Erika to pick up that +20 Atk.
Because it's just an RNG fest at this point
I'm finding myself actively relying on para procs and the occasional miss from Play Rough
What I can remember SS Erika had an optimal Skill Gears too
That, too
Do you have Dahlia?
13% S-Move boost in total compared to my 5%
On second thought, I think I'll just pass
Oh, I guess you need 5*?
Adaman wants to be 3/5 cuz his nuking tiles are locked behind it
As is typical...
Woes of being a Tech.
Would I want to use two B moves early, or save the last one for the end?
you would want to use both B moves to nuke, but if you have SS erika, that might help
I'm still kinda banking on BP Barry + SC Steven
b leer too slow, stun spore charging too slow, seun too slow, the +1 rebuff pretty much gives nothing since it's only 1 opp
B move low speed
Yeap
No better team then this whit set up cheren we dont have
Or skyla just spam melony standart
The speed drop will also somewhat compensate for the slow set up too
You get 2 by using Cheren's TM, 1 from the B Move, 3 per sync and since the TM gives SEUN you want tm mpr so you get even more
Yeap plus whit barry is just 4 sync any way
You don't need Steven to give PMUN stacks
Steven gives 4 PMUN stacks if he's 3/5 with his TM
Steven can give
1st sync is not the most important anyway
All are important for high score
But i think skyla will do better
Since nc blue set up melony is easy fast
And zone - 2 spe def
Alot syncs
Yeap
PoMaTools is a Pokémon Masters EX tool that helps users to plan their sync grids while simulating the possible damage outputs.
Grand Entry 2 so that Barry won't need to use his TM and just straight spam
You're gonna use Barry's TM?
Hmmmm ok
(well im not using anyone anyway since i dont have cheren)
(but i still think it's the best team)
yes
yes
and is super fast from base
Then why nobody use🧐
Skyla has a very annoying multiplier, but it didn't stop Dahlia IG
Nc blue have confusion too
Well, flinch too
~~nobody has pal serena because she's mid ~~
But that stalls too much time
Cheren sets up 2 PMUN stacks by himself with TM. SC Steven gridding TM: Mighty Command 9 gives 4 PMUN per use, and 2 uses of that immediately maxes out Cheren's PMUN stacks for max sync multiplier right?
Ok, I'll admit this:
Anni Skyla might be better than NC Cheren based on my initial calcs
Any tech with striker EXR will be the best
but they're both Techs with striker EXR 
Because being only good at spamming and droping speed doesn't make you relevant in many dc
Lady and gents
NC Cheren
1st Sync (2 Sync Buffs)
- -2 Rebuff: 199,680
- -1 Rebuff: 173,056 * 2
Total: 545,792
2nd Sync (3 Sync Buffs)
- -2 Rebuff: 249,600
- -1 Rebuff: 216,320 * 2
Total: 682,240
3rd Sync (4 Sync Buffs)
- -2 Rebuff: 299,520
- -1 Rebuff: 259,584 * 2
Total: 818,688
4th Sync (5 Sync Buffs)
- -2 Rebuff: 349,441
- -1 Rebuff: 302,848 * 2
Total: 955,137
Total Sync Move Damage: 3,001,857
Anni Skyla
1st Sync (4 Sync Buffs): 274,242 * 3 = 822,726
2nd Sync (5 Sync Buffs): 319,950 * 3 = 959,850
3rd Sync (6 Sync Buffs): 365,657 * 3 = 1,096,971
4th Sync (7 Sync Buffs): 411,364 * 3 = 1,234,092
Total Sync Move Damage: 4,113,639
I think Cheren should be able to sync 5 times with pal serena and chase 
Cheren's B Move Damage (6 Sync Buffs)
- -2 Rebuff: 157,642
- -1 Rebuff: 136,623 * 2
Total: 430,888
Final Damage: 3,432,745
So Anni Skyla wins by virtue of having 2 support EX by her side
Now, lemme cope some calcs up if SC Steven had support EXR
the 2 supports are nc blue (buffs everything skyla needs) and sleeper?
also do u include confusion on all enemy units?
if yes do u assume resets until nc blue gets confusion on all of them?
Even without Interference Sync, Skyla still wins
oh lol
NC blue + Melony + Skyla should be able to sync 5 times with her (7 total), at least if you arent using confusion for her IS5
wouldnt confusion actually speed things up? since it increases chance for enemy to fail moves, even if the confusion itself does some dmg no?
NC Cheren
1st Sync (4 Sync Buffs)
-2 Rebuff: 299,520
-1 Rebuff: 259,584 * 2
Total: 818,688
2nd Sync (5 Sync Buffs)
-2 Rebuff: 349,441
-1 Rebuff: 302,848 * 2
Total: 955,137
3rd Sync (6 Sync Buffs)
-2 Rebuff: 399,361
-1 Rebuff: 346,113 * 2
Total: 1,091,587
4th Sync (7 Sync Buffs)
-2 Rebuff: 449,281
-1 Rebuff: 389,377 * 2
Total: 1,228,035
Total Sync Move Damage: 4,093,447
So he barely beats Skyla sync even if Skyla has IS5
Skyla might break ~4,5M, not sure about 5M
isnt skyla way easier to setup though since cheren wants to both speed debuff and max out pmun?
since nc blue literally does everything
SC Steven maximizes set up for him
I dont see any scenario where Cheren can have the same number of syncs (assuming both have double SuppEX) as the NC blue + Skyla + Melony
Skyla will always have at least 1 extra sync on him in the end
whatever comp he uses - his setup and status spam is notably slower than NC blue + melony + Skylas near-instant setup
And if you only use 1 Supp Ex for him then he is missing sync buffs = missing damage
Well, the calcs for my Anni Skyla has her at 4/5 while Cheren is 3/5
So I prolly gave Skyla has slight advantage over him
Plus how would he even get 2 SuppEX syncs in the first place ? SC Steven doesnt have support role
Cherens first sync will have 2 sync buffs, not 4
You did see I said "cope some calcs" right?
oh
How about Blue?
so with a supportEX SC steven - Cheren would have a chance (though I dont think he can get 4 syncs himself then, its too slow .. 2 Supp syncs + 3 Cheren syncs is realistic)
in reality Skyla will probably win
Steven has Adrenaline 2
Dont think its enough, Stevens B-moves are SLOW, especially first. 3x B-moves is a whole sync cycle
also doesnt the stage buff X Speed All ? Or not ?
the best flying striker in history vs the best flying striker of today
Pffft
Why does this guy have 2 sync damage up and SEUN?
Actually NVM, NC Cheren still wins under a different comp
If you're gonna go the spam route with NC Cheren, NC Rosa is miles better than Melony
Or maybe Oleana with Venom Drench might actually be better, at least for Cheren's set up
NC Rosa/NC Cheren/Oleana
poison ticks kill timer
Lemme cook
Blue out performs him lmao
Ok, Oleana not the best idea
do you know sing failing strats?
No shit
He has actual stats and multipliers
Nothing new
Okay at least better than lysandre lol
Both have 4 sync buffs (double support EX)
@true locust I've figured out the best NC Cheren team
She also fires off a +10 pmun impact at the end
Like nothing
She's real strong
Mmhmm in down for that
Depends on the team
People out here talking about 4m Cheren and Skyla. Meanwhile I'll waste my time struggling to even hit close to 2m with Ethan
Then fail and go to Cheren anyway 
Cheren is stronger anyways 
As an Ethan fan I am obligated
I even pulled Cheren for him even tho Cheren is clearly better lol
I guess it's a good thing I held myself back when SS Ethan's banner was around 😟
He's a fave so I never regretted it
I have 3/5 Cheren EXR, but I'll still use 3/5 EXR skyla, even though she lacks the extension

I want 3/5 Anni Skyla 🥹
But, tech is always a competitive role
My Skyla will be stuck at 2/5 lmao
Cheren is better anyways 
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So, the next cycle will have rules? How do we know that for sure?
Or, do we just don't?
Hm?
Wait, the next set of regular DC has rules?
Rules apply to Super Sparring every month
I could just be misremembering, but wasn't the next cycle of DC supposed to have rules?
Ik super sparring has rules, but I'm only asking for the regular DC
Where'd you see that? 
I swear there was talk of it a while ago
nah there's nothing like that
Ohh ok
Must've gotten my wires crossed
When I searched for "rules" just now, all I found was a mention of this month's Super Sparring rules
No status on the Rock-weak fight... Time for Aaron's Defend Order spam trick, then
Wat team? Hmn
NC Blue and NC Rosa
Who low speed🤣
No one
Then you damage is nothing
Nah
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Comparing Anni Skyla and NC Cheren
Both have 4 sync buffs
Anni skyla have max speed from nc blue
Yes
So she have max multi for sync cheren no
Cheren does almost the same damage as Skyla without Cakewalk
Rosa has evasion too if you get it
Yeap but you sync whit rosa lose alot time
Also, Skyla needs to use a move to trigger Shifty Squad, and it's 50/50 too
Also Rosa can set up PMUN for Cheren
Depends
But with using Sing spam strat, Cheren needs to proc TM MPR God knows how many times
For the SEUN
who’s my best option for grass damage?
This is my current idea for Cheren's grid, but I'm debating picking up On a Roll
I kind of just need a second opinion here. I'd be dropping a sync power-up and Strong Start 1 for it. So, would it be worth it?
here’s what i’m thinking rn any suggestions ??
Not use him🤣
Hmm... you make a good point
I certainly have the resources to get the energy
1 lugillion points
Needs that +2 energy imo
Just realized I’m cooked for both Ghost and Rock types in Super Sparring. There aren’t even any rock type scouts this month smh
I have neither at 3/5 unfortunately
Go on banners you get them😘
Brock and Onix it is for Rock
Speaking of, how did SS Hilda do in ST Fire?
mmmmm
were you using skill gears for this?
because if it was type gears, I betcha, the skill gears will push you to 1 mil
This might be Cheren's best grid. At least for me
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1401/64100?s=3&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13016403&g=AAECAwQFFRgdHyEjJScoKSssLi8&x=true
PoMaTools is a Pokémon Masters EX tool that helps users to plan their sync grids while simulating the possible damage outputs.
Decided to try something different.
cool
no Cakewalk??
None
what's the idea behind that?
2x Support EX with sync spam is better damage than Cakewalk
But the RNG would be to rely on NC Cheren TM MPR-ing
one SEUN every sync, or every other sync?
All of his syncs
NC Blue and NC Rosa
Don't say Melony is better because NC Rosa provides MUN stacking for Cheren
why not chase
I wasn't
I know Rosa is better
I'm also using Cheren
why not chase over blue
Because -2 Sp. Def. and Blue's passive is better
does nc cheren have rival theme skill?
None
wouldn't dodging everything plus circle plus sprint support sync be better?
Rosa would be doing it
15% chance on b move.....?
You're doing it at the start anyways
chase would give even earlier evasion and circle should boost an equal amount
also support sprint sync
And if you want to, you can grid Cheren's Slippery Slope 9
The fun times I reset for this plus three 30%
This isn't "most" situations, and is already the second time that happens, plus is ranked, so every extra point matters if you want the title
Depends, if meloniy nets you an extra sync, mun stacks aren't that important
Well, Cheren gains MF passive too from himself and Rosa
Very happy with this. 3 Sunny Day pops for 3 SEUN syncs into one last Solar Blade
Yup. Teeter Dance spam
Even at +6 speed, I still needed to weave Dahlia's TM to rush sync while the gauge fills up
Damn sc rosa not 1m too
Didn't skinny make a vid with SC Rosa hitting 1M?
yes
she very much is. her last sync wouldve put her over 1m if it crit
Flying triple tmr
That's SS Ethan time for me.
F2Ps have LODGE SKYLA 
Latina time 
My poor rayquaza 

Rayquaza has easy multiplier and self SEUN. Maybe he can score fine ig.
His nuke
Sync Power Flux 
Do sync power flux counts only sync gauge or users gauge 
It's based on how much gauge it has
Chase
Melony
Blue
Nc blye / melony or elio(gives atk) /Skyla
Ig melony is better sing spammer in triple dc
I mean he's certainly not gonna do over 2M, but 1M maybe is possible.
For Cheren, NC Rosa is better
SUMMER LISA TIME
She's like 3rd best
Easily so
anni Skyla or Cheren
finally
too lucky of a run to replicate ngl lmao
BP Barry 1k Nuke 
carried by bp Barry nuke
bp barry could 200k on his own dmg maybe but his stats setup isn't great and he can't benefit off grassy terrain and handle his own cd
maybe nc blue redlax or elio and something
bp barry will do a barrillion damage
If BP Barry does MORE than SS Leaf 3/5..... 
He won't
...first try, I forgot to use SEUN before the last sync tho 
Lmao, I would be in top 10 
i think nc blue plus dahlia would be best carry for bp barry, teeter dance to have another spam option but stun spore helps get some gauge back even if grassy terrain regen sucks
maybe enough to get 6 total syncs
BRUH
THAT AMOUNT OF MISSES THIS RUN MANAGED TO GET 4 ERIKA SYNCS
But the amount of move fails made sense cuz Lodge Acerola has Static Cling (Para chance when hit) + Stop Hitting Yourself (against a Teeter Dance spam) + +4 Self Evasion
just use Chase with fail forward
omg LODGE ACEROLA use in DC i worship
I was honestly looking for other Supports that boosted Speed and saw Lodge Acerola had Evasion and Stop Hitting Yourself
Do we know the details on how Stop Hitting Yourself affects Confusion?
It increases the chance of hitting the enemies in confusion right?
If afflicted by it
what are the top priority units to put SP3 on?
Theres a base Confusion proc chance
Opponents often have Lessen Confusion which reduces this change by x %
Then Stop hitting yourself increases this change by x %
Okay yes but I want to know the numbers
that maybe someone else knows but ive never heard of it
Stupid/outdated question but why are people using NC Rosa instead of Colress for countdown? I didn't think she had any MGR; are 1 bar moves just fast enough to not need it?
Never mind I'm just blind
this is correct actually
provided your team has enough speed buffs
she CAN run charging infliction but its a bit slower bc of the skill popup
its why melony is queen rn
Hmm. How much of a speed buff is enough?
And if you sync with her first for the sprint/support combo, is it more worth it to spam Teeter Dance with Charging Infliction or to use her buddy move to swap back?
(I'd assume switching back is better, since Sing seems more reliable at skipping animations from the opponent)
For Melony shes often used with +6 Speed from NC Blue
But even that is not enough so the striker usually has some form of gauge generation to help
I meant for Rosa. I guess it's probably similar?
I usually like using Holiday Jasmine for Super Effective Up Next and support EX
(Don't have classic Red, unfortunately)
Sleeper for y'all f2p folks for flying 3v3: lodge skyla
you use her b move to switch back but it's so slow that it negates the sprint ex and rosa users often avoid syncing with her altogether
melony doesn't deal with that penalty so she's generally preferred if rosa isn't contributing something specific like her pmun/smun stacks being needed
but her speed stat is also much better and her extra sing accuracy helps a little
bc hitting the acc check is faster than failing it even if they both look the same vs a para'd opp
Almost.
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Probably SS Erika with something like
This
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Gladion, and units that handle multiple types.
Regular Gladion?
OG Gladion would need more before he can do anything in DC tho
yea it's primarily if you expect to be using him in gauntlet
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Hit my main goal. Let's see if I can push it a bit further.
for the upcoming Flying 3v3, who makes a better partner for NC Blue + NC Cheren? Melony or NC Rosa?
Can you post grids?
PoMaTools is a Pokémon Masters EX tool that helps users to plan their sync grids while simulating the possible damage outputs.
I thought asking you to post a video too would be asking a bit much, but can you post a general video on the move order? Doesn’t have to be 1m

finally
It might be too late for that since Flying 3v3 is coming in a few hours.
Still on pre sync:
Dahlia: Razor Leaf x3
Erika: TM x 1 > X Speed x 2
Acerola: TM x 1 > X Attack x 2
Sync with Acerola
Dahlia: Teeter Dance spam
Around 2 before second sync: use Sunny Day and Max Overgrowth. Then Teeter Dance if Leafeon doesn't accelerate sync. That's the gist
Grass gear sucks
flying multi soon
I actually just used 3-star Grass Gear for this too. You just need to pray for a lot of move fails to get a fourth Leafeon sync. Also I only got three Sunny Day charges, used it on the first, third, and fourth sync
Tell me, who's gonna win this next DC?
Tornadus or Tornadus?
Yes
Interesting, prove it to me Gakon


