Damage Challenge

[thin wren]

redlax gives sprint sync at least

[north ivy]

Need some help on the Tierno Damage challenge, I can’t break the 300k mark. Been using NC Bianca, Chase and Colress. This is my roster.

Bianca and Chase have EXR

[misty forge]

Chase is pretty bad for Phys units

[north ivy]

Mostly picked him to sync faster

But I’d be interested for another option

[cloud timber]

with 0 3/5 strike ex units your score will be pretty highly limited

but melony will actually help get to syncs more than chase does bc sing spam is a bit faster than infliction freebie twave

since she isn't slowed down by any passive

[north ivy]

That’s good to know

[cloud timber]

grid her accuracy tiles for sing since it's a little faster if she doesn't miss the accuracy check

and make sure they're paralyzed first so there's no sing animations

[north ivy]

Mhm

That’s good advice

Will try that, thx

[cloud timber]

she will run out of gauge if she spams only on her own though so with colress you can use him when you're close to running out

chase + melony is a very good combo for a lot of different units but for bianca she definitely likes having the unova bonus for her circle and the screeches help too

[misty forge]

Yeah well

Syncing faster isn't always better

Because he doesn't do much else there

[cloud timber]

if you're able to add in zone or rebuff or something else to help max out multipliers on your main damage dealer it can be worth sacrificing sync count

but other than that it's almost always better to get out as many syncs as possible

chase plus melony is one of the fastest for that, with only nc blue being faster without very good dodge luck

due to providing both para and the gauge to spam sing on top of potential circle bonus or passive boost to syncs

but chase's circle only helps special syncs

[cloud timber]

and make sure whenever you use chase to not set him as the tank since his reactive passive eats up time and he needs dodges to make up for it

[cloud timber]

clavell is arriving in time for water single but i don't think he's very preferred over currrent possible options

if you did get him tho i think oleana and a better damage dealer would be best

[vagrant ivy]

i did some quick estimates for the ranked dc

and found that 5/5 gordie is likely to outnuke 2/5 ss diantha

[icy pendant]

well yeah, 2/5 techs can't nuke for anything

[vagrant ivy]

700k@ 4 syncs vs 600k since you need to b diamond storm

so maybe only 3 syncs

if everything crits this gets me 1.56m at 5 morty syncs

factoring in the support EX

so this is likely my best possible score out of the 3 ranked dcs

[true locust]

Nc blue and melony would be better partners then them

[cloud timber]

yeah this

[icy pendant]

going to guess by the 1/5 colress that they don't have nc blue

[vagrant ivy]

melony has to go to fire ST to sing spam

no ss may no nc leaf so its ny wallace there

[icy pendant]

*ss may not anni

[vagrant ivy]

then chase is there too for circle and supp EX

truly

[true locust]

Wat Morty hit maks in non ranked ghost 3 vs 3? We now numbers

[icy pendant]

seeing a 1.7m in zone

[true locust]

A skipp did whit victor

If use summer gardenia not him should be way more since she is sup

[cloud timber]

yep

[deep scarab]

Almost hit 2m with Riley

[old valve]

Oh crap this is aoe fighting

I'm cooked I think

[icy pendant]

ex bea is right there

[old valve]

Oh is she good good?

I always figured she was just okay for the job lol

Maybe that's on me

[cloud timber]

1m capable with sonia and melony iirc

[old valve]

Would Riley be better than Bea if I EXR'd him though?

[icy pendant]

yes, but not necessarily worth a strike cake to get 20 extra training tickets

(riley's max is around 2m)

[old valve]

I see

[safe prawn]

can’t go higher bc rei won’t refresh tm

[old valve]

If I go with Sonia how much time should I commit to lowering defenses with her if any?

Oh and I'd want her to try and land Para on all three opps rather than just one right?

[cloud timber]

https://youtu.be/xn0CchElSOw?si=Q3ydGt7ueRXBxlhV best to just try to follow pykuo, i haven't tried bea at all

[old valve]

Fair enough

[cloud timber]

para one is usually best, middle moves the most so most opportunities for full para procs but sides have higher speed if you aren't relying on that

[old valve]

Seems like I can't do that strat since I don't have team sharp on Melony

[cloud timber]

no 3/5 sonia either?

[old valve]

And that last sync is INCREDIBLY tight to the timer

[cloud timber]

yeah relies on evasion and full para i've heard

[old valve]

Critical squad happening twice would be slower than the team sharp right

[cloud timber]

actually with innate sharp entry 2 and soften up bea is already guaranteed to crit her syncs

so it might be better to not have tse anyway

[old valve]

I thought syncs had a negative crit rate thing going on

And that you needed soften up 1 and +3 crit to guarantee

[cloud timber]

soften up is +2 to crit and fixes that

nah just +2

[old valve]

Soften Up 1 is +2??????

[cloud timber]

yes

[old valve]

I'm gonna melt

I had no idea

Does that apply to Wally's Zero In and May's Dire Rain too if I can ask? Or are they only +1 at 1?

[cloud timber]

i don't think zero in applies to syncs but dire rain should

but i haven't actually tested so idk for sure

[old valve]

wack

[cloud timber]

actually dire rain prob doesn't apply to syncs either based on wording

yeah ok previous discord messages confirm

[old valve]

Decided to check myself

Zero In is only +1 crit

Soften Up just gets special treatment compared to its counterpart ig lol

[cloud timber]

it needs to to hide the weird -1 crit on sync that the game usually has

so that when you use it you can actually expect to crit even at +0

otherwise it'd just be a nat crit roll

[old valve]

I guess it is just there like that to hide the crit decrease thing yeah

Good point

[boreal warren]

i dont have 3/5 sonia or good lucky skills for anyone i got 1mil, with more time left still

[old valve]

Which just leaves me with the question of how exactly I grid bea

Obviously Inertia and Soften Up are in but

[cloud timber]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=025900083500&s0=5&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=0&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDRobHB0&v1=025500013100&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=18090102&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFGhsdICEiJScqLQ&v2=025000086500&s2=5&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFBgcIERQVFhkaGyIkLw

video description would have it but direct link there

[old valve]

Oh. Right. People link those in descs.

mb lol

OH RIGHT TEAM SHARP IS ON HER GRID

[boreal warren]

i just noticed I didn’t even run sharp entry on melony in that

[old valve]

I may be stupid

[boreal warren]

but I ran dc2 on sonia and just went para mid para right, dc2 shouldn’t matter though

[cloud timber]

not necessary anyway lol

you'll know it as you get more familiar with grids and lucky skills

dc2 could save a tackle use if you reset for it maybe

[scenic grotto]

Is there any up to date “support buff chart”? Because the google doc of the only chart I can find isn’t up to date, doesn’t even have SS Acerola on the chart

[cloud timber]

can't answer that one

[scenic grotto]

Ok

[old valve]

ig potion MPR is a waste of time?

Thanks to the whole MGA on trainer move thing?

[boreal warren]

yea you only use it twice if anything

all you need

[cloud timber]

yep

[glossy token]

yooo did you record this??

[royal jolt]

single water
Champion Serena gaming

[vapid kernel]

Haha thats still good, you trying to get extra sync?

[safe prawn]

Yes I was trying to hold off to a couple of b moves to squeeze the extra sync in and keep the stacks for a final b move but… I give up lol

Im still able to claim Barry asap

[vapid kernel]

My variety lyra shall shine once again

[deep scarab]

Sadly, I did not record this run. I went to recreate it and got over 2m tho. Uploading that recording to yt rn. I'll send you the link when it's done.

[glossy token]

YOOOO RILEY BROKE 2MIL

LESGOOOO

congrats on that amazing run!!

i think this means riley definitively outranks 1/5 rei @stoic crest (if you're still feeling bad about spending the cake on him)

[stoic crest]

Yeah I got 500k with rei

I managed to get a million with Riley, which is good enough

[glossy token]

nice!!

[lethal siren]

2m?

Any video?

[glossy token]

did you. read their message.

[azure vine]

any ways to improve?

I have 5/5 riley ex btw

in case that’s useful

[deep scarab]

Alright, here's the 2m Riley video @glossy token https://youtu.be/4iKiAcDJJGA?si=3dLSEswey5nQdttZ

[glossy token]

you're submitting it to the form in the pins right?

excellent run, ggs!!

is blue's tm for spatk, smun, and crit on relic song (which, i would not have thought that would be worth the time but damn well done) not worth it?

[deep scarab]

I don't think so. It takes a long time for his tm to finish imo. I was having trouble fitting that last sync when I used it.

[glossy token]

yeah, thats a beautiful run tho. ggs

that final combo is 🧑‍🍳 👌

[deep scarab]

Even when I was using it, I was doing it for crit 3 for Lucario, not worrying about how it'd help Rosa. Turned out using dire hit+ once and the final crit 1 from Rosa's relic song was faster.

Thanks!

[glossy token]

yeah, the relic song being faster esp with meaning you can save your max move for the end is a+

[vagrant ivy]

-2 def from 3/5 nc blue as well

[lethal siren]

Rebuff and def drop
So nice

[deep scarab]

It also helps to get +2 atk from Rosa's relic song, so Riley can get 6atk w/o using his Max move.

[azure vine]

found out after going some rounds

Still not the 1.5 mil from the pins with the same team though

Must be because no hs1

[lethal siren]

Can I get +6 spd through Sonia without taking fleet feet

On riley

[glossy token]

i mean, after sonia gets hit 6 times yes

but its a reactive so its slow

and even if you pack spark's team fast track 4 youre proccing the passive every time she gets hit for the entire fight

[deep scarab]

First try with the squad you mentioned. I think I could get a bit higher with better rng, but I did get to 6spd pretty easily before even syncing with Riley.

[glossy token]

unless you manage to para one or more of eq/surf multiple times, i just cant imagine shes worth the timeloss to swift reaction proccing every hit

esp bc you dont need her to get riley to +6atk with rosa's bmove

[deep scarab]

Yeah, but seems like a decent alt if you don't have other good pairs

[glossy token]

would you be willing to test bp lt. surge with nc rosa?

i dont have her (hence my scuffed as all getout team comp) but hes who i used for riley's atk

his passive is posthaste 4 so it procs half as often as sonia's + team ft 4 for raising riley's speed means you can keep using twave since you'll have ample gauge to supplement sing if you want

[deep scarab]

It only raises his speed, no?

[glossy token]

posthaste does; his grid has team fast track 4

so its less guaranteed you can max riley's speed in the fewest possible moves, but also saves you time over proccing excessively after the fact

[deep scarab]

Ah, gotcha. Let me see how I do.

[glossy token]

you can check the 794k clear on the doc for how i gridded him

pinpoint entry isnt needed at all, i just took it bc i was rolling for hs1 and didnt get it lol

[open grotto]

Grid recommendation for Riley?

Or just use the one on docs for this challenge?

[glossy token]

it depends on his teammates

[open grotto]

Tried with bea for couple days and still not passing

I’m thinking on melony with nc blue? Max speed and sing spam?

[glossy token]

and theyre 3/5+?

[open grotto]

Melony and Riley 5, nc blue 4/5

[glossy token]

realized i misread; melony doesnt matter so much. blue you have the def drop on sync which is what you need (presuming one if not both of he and melony are ex for supp sync) heres your riley grid

[open grotto]

Yeah. It’s a 2 def drop, but not ex so only the boss gets this rebuff

Debuff*

[glossy token]

thats fine

rebuff doesnt particularly help us here so

[deep scarab]

First go, with pretty bad rng imo

[glossy token]

holy shit

bad rng but also getting almost identical to sonia

thats wild

[deep scarab]

I think I only had 4spd by time I used my first sync with Riley

[glossy token]

damn

two full supp syncs' worth and only 4 procs, surge was really holding out on you

[deep scarab]

Better rng this time

[glossy token]

B] nice

obvi nothing compares to nc blue but

[deep scarab]

First ex'd BP pair for that lol

[glossy token]

for 2/3 f2p units, one of whom is your dps, 1.5mil aint too shabby

oh shit lmao

i hope you have ample spirits and i didnt not just frivolously waste them but

i appreciate the research o7

[deep scarab]

I have enough 😉

Np

[glossy token]

ok phew lol

[open grotto]

Hmmm. Not doing much… 3 sync moves and only hit like 280k

[glossy token]

penguin, are you using the sync spam method?

[open grotto]

Think I’m doing it wrong

Yeah.

Sing spam

[glossy token]

and riley is exr?

[open grotto]

Oof. No cake. I see now

Rip

[glossy token]

yeah thatll do it

[open grotto]

Imma see if I can exchange for a cake

[vagrant ivy]

Riley has made great progress in the past few days

from 1.6m to 2m

[glossy token]

im so proud of my boy

[open grotto]

Got it. Whew

[cloud timber]

gg

[open grotto]

Gonna stop here XD

[lethal siren]

Oh ok

[royal jolt]

What
Does she do?

[crude sandal]

No, do higher

Also next is ST water

[thick stump]

What's the best team I can do with 3/5 exr rei? No bianca no rosa

Was just gonna do good ol redlax colress but I also have nc hop so idk if he should get a slot or not

Yea lol that worked

[true locust]

Yeap this team work too

You can use bp barry not corless also

Since you low def whit his b move

[teal haven]

Probably the best I can do without ncrosa or rei

[thick stump]

Yea but it's better for a pmun stacked b move at the end isnt it

Plus b move's a long animation

[true locust]

No

All use his b move

For flinch

Long yes but they flinch so buy time so its kidna similar

[thick stump]

Still got 2 mil so i'll just stick with it

Got super lucky and got like 3 tm mprs on like my 4th attempt

[true locust]

You can do 3 m this way

Fish for b move for the end its not best play. Just tell you:) more gain use his b move offten

[thick stump]

All the 3 mil and even 4 mil runs i've seen save b move for the end tho

[true locust]

I saw they use like me b move:)

[cloud timber]

4m doesn't use rei b move until end but gets a few staggering flinches with bianca

so flinches are still a big deal either way

[true locust]

4m yes but 3 don’t need it

[cloud timber]

yea

[normal parcel]

Zero in 1 is pretty useless because it only affect regular moves that already have guaranteed crit at +3 (only useful if you can get only +2 crit) soften up is much better because it affects syncs that without that caps at 80% crit at +3 (with soften up they get guaranteed crit at +2)

[old valve]

I'm well aware it's not that useful of a passive- I was just curious about if it followed the same rules as Soften Up, or different ones

Turned out it followed different ones, which was neat to learn

Das' all

I promise I didn't have any Wally-related delusions of grandeur

[normal parcel]

The difference is similar to the superduper effective vs double down

[vapid kernel]

Looks pretty good

You can also try to replace NC Blue with Colress

[thin wren]

worth keeping for psychic aoe?

the last one is status cond s moves btw

[rain copper]

It's a quite good gear generally

[thin wren]

I only have 30% boost rn

not enough

I need more

[warped gulch]

[thin wren]

Lear is my glorious king. I can't miss the chance of aimimg high when he will be the best dd

I even have nc rosa and redlax which will probably be a top comp with him

[copper otter]

oh, ST water this week.

that's gonna be funny

[true locust]

Serena

[pseudo stag]

Should I use May or Nessa for that??

[pallid girder]

Dahila can still do 2~3M in st.

[normal parcel]

Are they really planning to make pokefairs 10/10?

As if 5/5 wasn't bad enough

Can't wait to have my pokefairs 3/10

[glossy token]

if you can afford to ex nessa, nessa over may every day of the week

rain for +50% is worth but may does not have nearly enough going for her as a damage dealer, esp since she has mega debuff

[cursive linden]

Is it because of Mega penalty?

Oh

[pseudo stag]

what's a mega penalty

also rain ain't gonna be a problem, i have ss kris

[cursive linden]

Basically, your sync BP will not be as good as other's sync BP

[glossy token]

meanwhile nessa has 4 multipliers, 3 grid 1 innate

so mega penalty is like

[cursive linden]

This is a huge problem if you dont have much multipliers

[glossy token]

you get an increase in stats from mega evolution

[pseudo stag]

i don't think I have a support that can debuff speed AND defense

[glossy token]

mays spec and def improves from hers

but to compensate for that, her base sync (since sync activates her mega evolution) is 192 while other 5* tech units have a bp of 240 (before the innate multiplier)

so even with may also having a multiplier, shes doing less per sync

thats the mega penalty/debuff

[pseudo stag]

nessa it is, then

[pallid girder]

There's two way to interpret it:

1. 10/10
2. a completely different system that's nothing to do with more sync levels.

[pseudo stag]

not sure how i'll debuff def and speed tho

[glossy token]

well

can you send your roster?

i have a few ideas

but it does depend on what you have

[pseudo stag]

does ss kris have any debuffs

i haven't really used her much yet

[cursive linden]

NC Blue/NC Serena/Melony
My team is gonna be goated

[glossy token]

not really

[cursive linden]

Bruh

[glossy token]

shes also spec-focused unit

so while her rain is valuable she offers less to nessa directly

[pseudo stag]

wait crap, i still need a slot for status spam

[glossy token]

do you have 3/5 ex elio

[pseudo stag]

2/5

[glossy token]

ah, me too

🤝 in 2/5 suffering lmao

these two wouldve been your easiest answer otherwise (mine too lmao)

[pseudo stag]

ok

hear me out

blaziken

dumb idea i know but it's all i got

[warped gulch]

Blaziken is really slow, yes 3/5 can debuff speed fast

But you still need mega for debuff Def fast

And using Blaziken = no Sing spam or you need to use Burn which really suck

[glossy token]

again do you have a picture of your roster

+tracker

[wispy pagoda]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[glossy token]

that will make it significantly easier for us to recommend options

[normal parcel]

That and because hide and sync sucks

[cursive linden]

Hide and Sync is evasion?

[glossy token]

accuracy

[cursive linden]

Oh.

[glossy token]

but yeah she only has hide and sync

[cursive linden]

Yeah good lucl with that one

ONLY?????

[glossy token]

so may is bad for a Lot of reasons

[normal parcel]

But still requires 5/5 so still not viable for most players

[glossy token]

i mean, in that line of logic, ubs arent viable for most players. i dont fully fault them for adding some sort of ultra-lategame benefit for that section of the playerbase

but yeah in re may, dire rain is also specified for only regular attack moves not syncs

so its mega penalty, only one grid multiplier (which is a bad one/slow and painful to set up), and just general meh spatk

[warped gulch]

The problem with May:

• Debuff Acc is really rare to high chance May must do it herself
• Mega tax
• Can miss Muddy Water
• Need Rain
• Dire Rain 1 only helps Move
• Buffing so slow that you need teammate to help her
• Only has 2 Sync Multiplier

[glossy token]

ngl im kinda shocked its taken us this long to get a flash unit

or sand attack

it seems like a no-brainer

but alas

also, the good news is that this is st

so a non-ripple effect screech unit can cover relentless for nessa

jasmine/magnemite can para with tshock, then screech and shocking slowdown - probably not particularly fast, but a f2p option to enable nessa's multipliers faster than she herself can

clemont for spark/screech would work similarly, but with less speed drop assist

[normal parcel]

You don't need 5/5 units to win ultra battles

I have no 5/5 limited unit and I cleared all the ub so far (except that last one that I didn't even tried yet)

[glossy token]

sure, but ive still only been able to beat one by the grace of arc cyn being absolutely cracked even at 2/5. they are extremely late game content. an added value for limited 5/5 units is another sort of late game content

im not saying theyre the same niche of late game content. im saying they both are late game content

also, another move im surprised we dont have yet - string shot

[normal parcel]

I mean one thing is an hard content that you can eventually beat with non maxed unit, and another is an entire mechanic that is only available for 5/5 limited gotcha units

Immagine if exr was exclusive to 5/5 limited gatchas

[glossy token]

ok, but its also not exclusive to new 5/5 gachas

its explicitly going back and retrofitting older units

which, frankly, they need

[normal parcel]

Yes but still 5/5 is a big investment

[glossy token]

bc many of them have been powercrept so badly they released arc suits for them to just do their units over

like ok

these are the steel pokefair units

[normal parcel]

I mean I never was a fan of 5/5 grids, now they are doing 5/5 grids 2.0

Hated arc suits getting 5/5 grids

[glossy token]

i agree with that. can i finish making this point?

[normal parcel]

Really hate having my 3/5 units feel like they are 1/5 because now they are lacking half of their kits

[glossy token]

gloria and raihan are still solid units. and yet, raihan cannot max his own atk/spatk (his passive lets him get +4/+4 on entry) and his tm gives seun, fmun, +2 crit, and -1 spdef. meanwhile, even without her exr, poppy has impervious, guaranteed crit on every move, -2 def for every twave (even failed) and an additional -1 def on every hit of a paralyzed opp from her custom lucky cookie if you equip it, and a tm that gives +6atk, pmun, fmun, and 0 drawback. and her repeatable attack is 450 bp at 1/5, while raihan's is 238 at 5/5 with 50% recoil (which even after standfast 9 is still pretty costly)

i do not particularly care about poppy as a character or really like tinkaton, but i felt like i had to pull her because even at 1/5 her kit is so absolutely insane that skipping it wouldve been shooting myself in the foot, especially with where i was at the time

[pallid girder]

I mean in general old units will still lose to new units if they get the exact kind of update, assuming they didn't deliberately make some new units' update bad.

[glossy token]

i really like zacian, but i cant really justify trying to get gloria because those gems and resources would serve me much better going to poppy (and now arc steven)

[normal parcel]

I mean new units will still get this treatment

Do you really think that if arc suit didn't had 5/5 grids, they released arc lance without any sync multiplier?

[glossy token]

look all cards on the table i think arc suits are stupid

i dont like them as a concept in the first place

[normal parcel]

Ofc they would have gave him relentless at 3/5 if it was a master fair

[glossy token]

i think it shouldve been players being able to invest their mysterious stones in existing units to unlock an improved kit

[normal parcel]

5/5 grids are just an excuse to lock new units core tiles to 4/5 and 5/5

[glossy token]

im willing to bet that the newer units will be getting the 'worse' new features. still good im sure, but if you pulled hard for gloria or raihan back then and have invested in them since because you like the character, the mon, or its who you had to work with, i dont entirely hate going back and offering them some renewed value

in part because that is what i wish we had gotten instead of the arc suits

even before the dumbass 500 points to pity

[normal parcel]

Would have loved to give mysterious stones to the base champion trip to unlock arc suits, instead of having to dump all my gems and yellow candies into them

[glossy token]

yeah

100%

like ok og cynthia's dust kicker is locked at 4 not 5 (sand alert being 5)

but she still already has incredibly valuable lements of her unit locked that high

i was holding her at 3/5 before i gave her the rest of my strike candies for 5/5; now i cant really justify it because of arc cyn even though i would really like to

[normal parcel]

I mean now they are planning to make non 5/5 even more punishing

[glossy token]

the thing is, i had og cyn in the first place

[normal parcel]

Like arc suits have 0 energy passives that feels so bad missing

[glossy token]

if i hadnt been able to pull arc cyn, i would be very appreciative of og cyn getting even a small additional boost so that continuing to use her as my best ground unit didnt feel so sour after arc cyn being released

my 100 pull tickets gave me 1/5 og lance who i have not just 0 interest in, but actively negative interest in

[pallid girder]

I think they're tooooo afraid of tech sync with 360 bp. ArcLance has several nerf like only innate sync multiplier in base, a tamed atk stat (compared to his fellow ArcCynthia) and only 1 more multiplier in grid.

[normal parcel]

I mean yes it may be a decent thing for who has old 5/5 pokefairs, but form now on they will start to lock core parts of the kit at 5/5 (like they already started doing when 5/5 grids got released)

[glossy token]

but i also have a very mediocre dragon roster, particularly in the phys realm. a revisit to og lance might make him newly useable and worth investing in since i dont have arc lance and am not interested in gunning for him

[normal parcel]

One thing is allowing 5/5 to boost older units, another is releasing new units that already demands 5/5

[glossy token]

i mean ok

again i agree with you on that

[normal parcel]

But still from description seems a big improvement, not just an extra passive

[glossy token]

per my read of the message, the update being applied going forward saves them the step of having to re-run the unit for the update to drop for every fair unit going forward by having it already in their kit on release

[long silo]

Nooooo I was one miss off firing that B Move

[glossy token]

which is why we're getting so many fair reruns this month, so that they can get out as many of these updates as quickly as possible to work through the backlog

84 pf units is a lot

[normal parcel]

But the point of the 5/5 grids should be to upgrade the units for a premium to counter power creep, but if you make new units start with 5/5 isn't for the power creep is just that you want people to pull for 5/5

[glossy token]

thats what im trying to say

[normal parcel]

Then to save them for powercreep you start to add bs like 10/10 or something

[glossy token]

i dont think the new units will have nearly as integral of an element at that 5/5. a nice benefit, but not a huge boost

because their starting builds are already further ahead

like ok lets take poppy as our example

she already has 4/5 and 5/5 tiles in her grid

[normal parcel]

I mean I don't know olhow impactful the boost will be and how hard it will be to get (besides 5/5)

Don't even know if the boost will involve gems (besides 5/5)

[glossy token]

her sync move is not where her damage is, so an additional sync multiplier tile doesnt actually do that much for her. she already maxes her own attack and auto-crits, she already has excellent def control before gridding for dc9 if you so wish

the ls i use for her personally when i dont use her custom is vigi. i could 100% see that as being her additional 5/5 passive, because given how frail she is it helps her a LOT

and that would be worth the investment, because then you could give her cs2 as her ls and go crazy

but if i dont want to candy her beyond the 1/5 non-exr she currently is, i can just keep that as her ls

[normal parcel]

I mean yes not every unit have mandatory 5/5 grids, but I don't know how impactful this upgrade will be, like it it's exr level, GG to any non 5/5 havers

Like ok some units have useless exr (support + tech) but is an huge deal for most units

Exr was a nice boost and doesn't requires 5/5

[glossy token]

agreed

tho i also dislike the fact that its a whole new currency et al to grind for

[normal parcel]

Grid energy expansion helped more 5/5 but didn't requires it

You can still get +6 at 3/5

[glossy token]

i get why its built the way it is, but i would also really prefer being able to, for example, use br points on vouchers for move coins so that i can power up more of my units and not just the very small number of newer units i have managed to pull

[normal parcel]

Immagine if you get like +100 attack and a busted passive just because you have 5/5

[glossy token]

if my favorite pokemon character was raihan i would be ecstatic for him to get something to let him rival poppy (and arc steven and lear) to reward my investing in him

[normal parcel]

Is more that I don't like the fact that (if your unit isn't 5/5 you lose 50% of his power)

[glossy token]

because it ultimately isnt anyones fault he was released in 2021 when the standards for building kits were different

[normal parcel]

I mean the point is that they can start releasing new units that just powercreep to oblivion old units (as long as you get them 5/5)

I mean what's the point of 5/5 rahian if maybe they will release a new steel pokefair that at 5/5 is stronger than arc Cynthia

I mean is still all speculation, but still this will probably be the direction

[glossy token]

the point of 5/5 raihan is for the people who already have raihan

whether at 3/5 or 5/5

like, we're all gem broke now from arcs and sygna lear and all

im saving up for nc blue and maybe nc rosa if i can

[normal parcel]

Yes I mean Is fine for who has him already 5/5

[glossy token]

i have to be very, very picky with going for any new unit

for people who have been playing all this time, they have wider rosters. maybe shallow (i.e. lots of 1/5), but still a variety of units

so a revisit to those older units populating that roster means spending non-gem resources (move candies or whatever else) to get similar strength to newly released units

[normal parcel]

Luckily there's no pvp so paywall upgrades aren't as bad, but still getting decent ranked tiles becomes always more p2w

[glossy token]

agreed

im still peeved about mix

would love a field unit for sun/rain/grassy terrain 🙃

paid gems only and still 73% 3* odds

not to mention variety

[normal parcel]

I mean mix is the absolutely worse, but at least I an unit every like 3/4 months and those aren't arc suit level of busted

[boreal warren]

does dojo gloria work for upcoming

[glossy token]

which, now that we have some genpools with exr like malva et al, maybe theres some chance of varieties joining genpool but

[glossy token]

do you already have her exr?

[normal parcel]

For water, definitely

3/5+ ofc

[glossy token]

and what is your full water roster

[normal parcel]

NC Serena should perform better, but dojo is definitely good

I mean dojo will probably land an extra sync, but Serena has rebuff

[boreal warren]

nah i dont but i can get her there, was also wondering if its a good investment or if she isn’t that good outside of it like the other gloria

[glossy token]

her sync multipliers are innate, relentless (3/5), and double down 2 (2/5) so shes not great but bird in the hand

ok before you exr her

what is the rest of your roster

because that will be the deciding factor

[normal parcel]

She can setup her multiplier quite easily so isn't that bad, problem is that she doesn't provide anything extra like rebuff or rain

[glossy token]

precisely

527 atk is nothing to sneeze at

but multipliers are multipliers

[normal parcel]

She will still perform better than may, since despite rain, mega tax and Hide and sync are a big letdown

[boreal warren]

only exr is leaf i can’t get another atm

[glossy token]

ok. 3 things

1. ex 5/5 nessa

[west creek]

i wonder how easily can dahlia do the million

i have her and nessa exed as water type techs

[normal parcel]

If you have SC Steven I think nessa may be your best bet

[glossy token]

2. if youre spending candies, ex summer gloria is going to be WAY better for less investment (champion spirits) because her seun sure crit tm will refresh with every sync

[west creek]

i have her and sc steven, tho i was wondering how dahlia can do

[normal parcel]

At 1/5 probably bad

[west creek]

i have her 3/5 rolex

lvl 150

[normal parcel]

She had the best score in the mode so far

[glossy token]

3. leaf is probably your best rain set option since you already have her ex; if you have field candies to get her to 3/5 for shower power 5 + brainpower she and either your existing nessa or the aforementioned glorias would work

[normal parcel]

Don't know if single target will hinder her too much

[west creek]

but in 3v3

[normal parcel]

I fear that confusion will wear off too much in single target

[glossy token]

3v3 she would want her exr; ex field syncing second will last through the end of the fight without needing to be re-set

[glossy token]

so yeah i would say build your team as mix leaf nessa and a paraspammer, probably colress since he can use screech to set up one of nessas multipliers

[west creek]

oof mb i replied to the wrong message

[boreal warren]

1. I thought nessa would take long to set up but i could use her
2. I could but i guess what i was asking along with it is if she is good for all her types as well for other content
3. Leaf is 3/5 already

[glossy token]

excellent

[boreal warren]

For 2 is summer gloria better still with all types and other content considered?

[pallid girder]

She's underwhelming from the beginning of her release afaik.

[glossy token]

summer gloria is a case of bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. her spatk is much lower than dojo gloria's, but dojo gloria is not yet ex or r. dojo gloria's multipliers are traded off for a lack of boosts; summer gloria's boosts are traded off for a lack of multipliers

[boreal warren]

I could also just not candy any of them if i’m going to use nessa leaf anyway

[glossy token]

yeah, thats what im getting at

im 99% sure that 5/5 nessa can match or outdo them both

[boreal warren]

Alright thank you

[glossy token]

you probably want ex bp barry as your paraspammer

im trying to see if theres an option without attack trap 4

but if you give him dc ls and can get lucky with not proccing attack trap 4 he can help set up nessa. nessa still wants cs2; leaf probably also wants cs2?

[teal haven]

2/5

:/

[copper otter]

wait....

is this the first time where a new unit is able to be used in Damage challenge THE SAME day it's released!????

[icy pendant]

clavell? I think so

[copper otter]

Yea

[icy pendant]

on one hand, I was already planning on investing into him, on the other great now I have to invest into him

[copper otter]

he's Field or Sprint?

base role i mean

[icy pendant]

sprint

[copper otter]

damn.

I have 2 field candies.

was praying he was actually base field

[icy pendant]

and I have 2 sprint ones with ss lear's name on them 😭

[fallen trail]

pretty sure clavell is 1 reset after the water st stage drops

but still usable on it yes

anni2 lillie proved that sprint/field combo is very good on single target dc stages

so i imagine clavell will be quite useful

also can make him the target and with his x evasion he can dodge some moves lol

[cloud timber]

clavell won't work well as a damage dealer with only one multiplier on grid and no tech ex

no status to enable melony but he does have a high speed stat so he can help oleana's gauge

[fallen trail]

yeah, he would have to just enable the primary damage dealer (which is probably serena)

serena maxes team speed with 2 uses of b move

[safe prawn]

Well actually

There’s 2 of them

Dc Barry and floatel

[copper otter]

TRUEEEE

[fallen trail]

water sprint going from 0 to 2 in 2 days crazy

[long silo]

I used Dojo Gloria on water 3v3, so definitely using her on 3v1

Will be upgrading strats tho

[crude sandal]

Whomst best for tomorrow's DC?

[rain copper]

NC Serena perhaps

[hollow whale]

Oh right single target

[cloud timber]

nc serena > dahlia > the rest presumably

also sentry entry 2 aaron could be relevant alongside ss kris

[civic island]

Gonna run the same team w Janine from water triple, should work pretty smoothly

[long silo]

I'm planning Dojo Gloria/Larry/Melony

[feral hamlet]

Just starting on this. I thought NC Hop was gonna be good

[civic island]

He is

[long silo]

He is ye

[civic island]

Adam pushed to 3.8M iirc

[long silo]

The issue is not with Hop, but with the stage structure

[civic island]

#1255888121648644197 message

[cloud timber]

yea that one

[civic island]

You mean, the random debuffs?

[feral hamlet]

Oh it's three targets. Okay I see

[long silo]

3v3 meant having enemy act more, and faster, leaving you with potentially one less sync

Iirc the 3.8m Hop has evasion RNG to make up

[civic island]

It's the usual triple, sure feels worse when they buff speed

[cloud timber]

way more x speed in the near future too

everything left in the schedule beyond the last one should be x speed

[civic island]

Kekwokers

[cloud timber]

very bad for nessa

[rain copper]

i think she can still break through 1mil, with BP Barry and SC Steven

[civic island]

Yeah she's a raw powerhouse, we just need the tools

[cloud timber]

yeah she's powerful but there's just no clean way to handle everything so you'll have to sacrifice one of her multipliers

or support ex or a status spammer

but she's still better off than lodge silver/rosa regardless

[civic island]

DC Barry will be fun to see

[rain copper]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/24900/83400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhUWFxgcLi8 she can pick all multipliers at least, but the problem is her nightmare setup

iirc opponents have X Speed All

[civic island]

Yep

[cloud timber]

missing shower power though which she can still fit on grid

it's just getting the setup

[feral hamlet]

It was hard to cinch the 1M with only 2/5 Rei

[sacred flower]

did you use the sing spam strat?

[feral hamlet]

Of course

[sacred flower]

try using the normal, spam B move per sync cycle instead

[feral hamlet]

Well, I'm using Rei's B move every chance I get

It seemed like a fairly straightforward strat

[long silo]

That's fine

You don't have Brawn Sync yet anyway

And it seemed to work out

[acoustic chasm]

[cloud timber]

well he would be if all the water techs weren't so demanding on help for their multipliers

[acoustic chasm]

Cerena can afford it

T1 rain actually goated for the +4 sp.def AND Serena's node that debuffs sp.def during rain

[cloud timber]

so it does work for her

[crude sandal]

Are you gonna use Cerena's B Move?

[acoustic chasm]

Just once for the speed and -1 rebuff

[rose basalt]

grid for nc serena?

for dc

[cursive linden]

This is my grids

[vernal condor]

brutal swing defense crush on a water stage

[sacred badger]

2 brutal swings + 2 bmove usage == -6 DEF?>

like if her water shuriken doesnnt drop the enemy defense.. maybee.

[warped gulch]

But her Water Sync is Special

Why you ever want Def debuff

[sacred badger]

no idea then .-.;

[rain copper]

[sacred badger]

i'm gonna try this for water single then

[lapis yarrow]

Would SC Steven, NC Serena and SS Kris work or no?

[true locust]

No

You need some one for spam twave sing

[lapis yarrow]

Is that because I need a spammer like Colress?

So Colress instead of SC Steven?

[true locust]

Hmm better barry

Faster and sup sync

Instead of ss kris

Steven rebuff and super up next is better then set rain

[lapis yarrow]

Really? ah ok ty

[true locust]

Yes

Faster and set rain raise your sts wat also take time

[vernal condor]

seun is the same as rain, heck it's better because you don't have to apply it every time

and steven does nothing to help serena (other than seun), 1 more rebuff isn't really helpful and the drops are useless since serena already covers them

serena, kris, barry should be a better team than serena, steven, barry

[fluid anvil]

when does ranked DC start ?

I actually have all 3 best units and teams for this DC event, first time
-SS Diantha + NC Blue + Elio
-NC Leaf + Chase + Melony
-SSRC + Yarrdenia + Colress
might tryhard

[warped gulch]

Why Nc Blue and Elio tho

Doesn’t ST Rock immune to status ?

[fluid anvil]

oh, right .. whats the best alternative then ? 5/5 Oleana ? have her too

[warped gulch]

I’ll suffering with Gordie……….without Burn

[fluid anvil]

or maybe the Aaron strat then?
SSA Cynthia + Aaron + SS Diantha (with Lithic gauge) ?

[long silo]

I have SSR Cynthia, but no Yarrdenia

[fluid anvil]

Lenora can replace as budget option

[long silo]

Oh that works

[cloud timber]

oleana is supposed to be better without twofer if you grid mgb tiles

with nc blue you won't need pep rally too

[fluid anvil]

hmm but Aaron spam is faster than Oleana, right? IIRC Aaron/defend order is just as fast as Melony sing
also Oleana has her own pep rally 2 on grid, you dont even need NC blue with that
Plus SSA Cynthia has sprint for -3 and Aaron has catalyst

[warped gulch]

Not really, all spamming move without passive has the same speed

So Oleana with twofer is slower than Oleana without it

[cloud timber]

no one with oleana resorted to using aaron in ranked afaik

assuming 3/5

[long silo]

Doesn't SSA Cynthia sets the zone upon sync? That in itself is a waste even with Sprint in mind

[cloud timber]

it is

[fluid anvil]

Oleana without twofer, but her move costs 2 gauge, right ? even with +6 speed thats real heavy on gauge

[warped gulch]

Yeah, that is her biggest problem

[long silo]

I didn't use Aaron since I can't ex that time, but I didn't know Oleana can ditch twofer?

[warped gulch]

Even with super gauge like Larry sometimes i still struggle with her

[cloud timber]

she can

[fluid anvil]

so SS Diantha + Oleana (without twofer) + who for 3-rd? Still just nc blue?

[cloud timber]

2 bar spam is very rough to maintain even with +6 spe and mga but oleana has the unique advantage of move gauge boost and i've heard that it just works

and yeah i'd run nc blue there bc he still helps most with gauge while still providing a sync boost unlike chase

[thin wren]

I wonder if we will get gems for psychic 3v3 again

[true locust]

Hmm good question and if we get rewards again gems should be too

[thin wren]

DC is quite the generous mode so I will assume yes

[vagrant ivy]

will say rn that ss misty wins the water ST race in terms of F2P units

no contest

[cloud timber]

who's buffing her offenses f2p

and where's she getting her evasion from bc if she buffs it herself she has to deal with healthy healing

[vagrant ivy]

good question

[cloud timber]

yea that's why she's fallen out of favor vs nessa bc even if you fulfill those conditions she maxes out worse

[vagrant ivy]

all of a sudden I realize that there’s no F2P sing spammer that buffs special attack

or para spammer

oops

[vagrant ivy]

but nessa has to rock tomb a lot tho

hm

well it’ll probably end up as something like this

is my guess

[cloud timber]

nessa with -6 def and rain and restrain on opponent is 1.5x stronger than ss misty with no rain and maxed multipliers, which is before touching nessa's cakewalk

[vagrant ivy]

agreeable but how do you fit rain

[cloud timber]

if you have ss kris you can make ss misty work

otherwise eh

[vagrant ivy]

on f2p

[cloud timber]

and for f2p nessa is just stronger, colress/rain bot will fit in those things but has to sacrifice support ex

bc f2p rain options can't do anything but set rain

and it'll need to be may for rain mpr really

[vagrant ivy]

rain worth the support EX hm

yeah literally

may is the only F2P rain setter

what about the whale side of things

[cloud timber]

there's winona and eggs

[vagrant ivy]

what’s the expected max score roughly

yeah those are just worse

[cloud timber]

not a whale so dunno

maybe 2.5-4m or something

dark was 2.5m peak from her

must be better for water

[thin wren]

probably 3 mil

3-3.5 mil

[vagrant ivy]

from nc serena again hm?

yeah I won’t be surprised

[thin wren]

pretty sure serena has the third strongest st nuke so yeh

[vapid kernel]

Can someone remind me again whats the DC stages for ranked thta coming

Its Fire ST, Ghost 3v3 and Rock ST?

[vagrant ivy]

correct

[pallid girder]

Ghost with special dmg reduced and Rock with no status & interference btw.

[vagrant ivy]

rock ST has no status param

yes

[cloud timber]

also there's actually some shot that janine can fit in an extra sync that oleana can't with ss kris

ss kris has lockstep for gauge and evasion off her tm

and trope already saw some success with them and nc serena

cost of support ex but it's still an option

[thin wren]

?

[cloud timber]

quick tempo on janine and catalyzing infliction on kris for mga

janine has pep rally 1 too

[thin wren]

oh right quick tempo

[vagrant ivy]

[thin wren]

you mean nc?

[vagrant ivy]

how many syncs total

6?

[cloud timber]

6-7 even with spending time on power play setup potentially

but most likely 6

tested with ss lysandre but i'll be sticking to melony there

[cursive linden]

Oh ohhhh

I want to get that power play to the max

Then i forgor about NC Blue

There

[vernal condor]

even without NC blue

She gets 5 stats drops per water shuriken and she uses it 4 times

on top of the b move also dropping 5 stats (-2 in both defs + the unfortunate strike drop)

you get 30 drops just by setting up lmao

[fallen trail]

blue can at least ensure -6 sp def if for some reason you fail to drop sp def twice in 20 water shuriken hits

maxing her sp atk is key too

[fluid anvil]

I'm gonna go ham with Chase-Melony-Dahlia

[lethal siren]

Water dc tmr
I only have ss Misty and 1/5 cerena for it and nessa

Nessa is good
2 sync multipliers if u just take relentless

[vernal condor]

Same, with my 1 non ex non r Dahlia

[lethal siren]

I will try 1/5 nc serena once

[vernal condor]

She isnt gonna be good

[lethal siren]

Will try since I don't have for single water

Nessa is not exed
So that's that

[crude sandal]

Hmmmm, to double B Move or not

[sacred badger]

i think you can get it in there o.o

[fallen trail]

its def worth

[crude sandal]

Double B Move?

[fallen trail]

for serena yeah

its essentially the same damage difference as having cs2 and not having a lucky skill

[crude sandal]

Doesn't that mean Rainy Mind Blowing Infliction is useless?

Unless you somehow didn't roll 2 Sp. Def. with Water Shuriken?

[copper otter]

Me trying to see when dark DC is happening so i can have fun with giacomo

It won't be until Nov 28th

[crude sandal]

Both dark DC have passed already right?

[copper otter]

The DCs go on a repeating pattern

So it will happen in late november

[true locust]

Nc marnie stil way better then giacomo

He is not good unit

[fluid anvil]

well he is not really built for DC

[fallen trail]

what is he built for lol

[true locust]

Only think cs mode

Nothing else

[fallen trail]

zzz

[true locust]

Would be good in hse but its end😒

[fluid anvil]

he hits at least as hard as NC Marnie overall
can do some UBs etc.

but SyMUN takes time

to build up etc.

[true locust]

Hit hard as nc marnie? 🫢

Bad joke🙂‍↔️

[fluid anvil]

he can do 960 BP move twice

and good sync

[true locust]

Good sync when you farm up next

Wat is ussles if you get hit alot

Need good sup keep him alive

[fluid anvil]

its not like NC Marnie is some beast in DC, she only got ~3,5-3,6M in 3v3

on the lower side

[thin wren]

he syncs harder

unfortunately in dc his passive is....

[icy pendant]

Marnie still wins over him for DC but outside of that he hits harder, he doesn’t have good solo potential anywhere but if he is anchored to a viable support his ceiling is definitely there

[thin wren]

gonna be annoying

[misty forge]

He's nice

[fluid anvil]

yeah his passive is anti DC

[true locust]

He is for cs mode and hse

[thin wren]

Gia hits harder than marnie, especially in bursts but he has a lot of downsides

[misty forge]

Not every unit has to be Uber tier or goalposting

[thin wren]

he's uber lol

[true locust]

He is nice if you have gauge suport unit since he is super pain

Uber?

[misty forge]

Is he tho

I really don't think he is

[true locust]

When you dont have gauge🤣

[misty forge]

He's good but he's not THAT good

Esp with current dark enablers and supporters

[thin wren]

yeh, many people on the tier list team also think him to be ss Steven level rn so he's probably going in uber

[misty forge]

I don't see him beating lear

At all.

But we'll see

[thin wren]

Regular lear is a very weird case

which reminds me, how much are we expecting for 3v3 Lear

I think he has a shot at 5.4 mil

[misty forge]

Definitely up there

He has cd, huge nuke and easy requirements

[fluid anvil]

OG Lear can get ~4,5-5M+
SS Lear will barely pass 4M IMO (not Tech role and both he and AS Steven lack status, so you will have to use BP Barry)

[true locust]

Wat he hit we will se when it come back

Since we don’t have yeat info

About next dc events

[thin wren]

the stages are the same for the regular dc stages

Just rotating

[true locust]

Nobody now:) they may change something

Or do we get rewards from scratch? Any info no about it too

[thin wren]

we only know that they repeat from mine rn

not if the rewards reset

[true locust]

Yeap and this is most important thing rewards

Not repeat stage

[icy pendant]

the battles would not have an end date of 3000 if they didn’t repeat, the tickets would continue to be available but if anything the gems are tentative

[true locust]

Even they repeat may change some stuff

Yeap gems may not be

Hard tell

[icy pendant]

but if you missed a rotation, the first set at least would still be there

[thin wren]

hopefully everything resets

[true locust]

We can hope 🙂

[lethal siren]

Tmr Barry

I will get him

I have tickets for 1 copy rn

Wish I could 3/5 him before water dc ends

[true locust]

Skipp sure test him

Tmr😘

Interesting wat he can do

[lethal siren]

Can't 3/5

And pomatools not updated?

[fallen trail]

no

use brybry’s site

pomatools is run by one guy

[thin wren]

wait it's really only stdk?

wow

[royal jolt]

finally. 3v1 water tonight. Egg Gyarados is gonna go NUTS

[vagrant ivy]

[true locust]

Yes stdk

Only one stdk run it

[vapid kernel]

1M dc unit lets go

[true locust]

Maybe he can hit ?

[normal parcel]

Nha, DC Is all about syncs, and eggmons all have terrible syncs, but I guess tech one can land a final hyper beam after rain utility

[vagrant ivy]

does that thing have any sync multipliers at all

I say no more than 250k with egg gyarados

dc Barry probably no 1m either but probs close

[teal harness]

3v1 water, time for dojo gloria to shine

[vagrant ivy]

maxing out his 2 power plays will be an issue

how do you balance aqua jet setup and syncs

[teal harness]

single water does have a few f2p options, may, nessa, ss misty

lodge silver seems good option too, 100 power to sync on grid + 2 multiplier nodes + 1 multiplier on the sync itself

nvm, cant reach the 4th sync node

but this doesnt look too bad either

[vernal condor]

Interference Sync is terrible to work with

If anything, Kris will be the better feraligatr despite not being a tech

[teal harness]

its better than lodge rosa, who needs to be on low health for the multiplier (sync emergency 5)

[misty forge]

Is he really? I'd think guaranteed Def drops, more attack and just making Rosa be target 1 would be enough to be better than interf 5

[teal harness]

welp, tomorrow will be trial time

[misty forge]

Well my Rosa is ex and my silver is 5* 0/20

I know what I'm using

[pallid girder]

I don't think they'll change anything for the first repeat of dc.
Maybe one day when they add every rivals from dc opponents as a dc units they'll add Trevor or Arven's stages, but maybe not.

[iron timber]

Idk who ill use for water dc I don't have any good water units

💔

Maybe it's a sign to finally invest in lysander

[pallid girder]

??? Have all the good water units but just most stuck at 1/5 = no good water units?

[fluid anvil]

invest in Dahlia IMO - she is top 1 in Water 3v3 and top 1-2 in Water 3v1
amazing Water pair all around

[iron timber]

Yeah

[iron timber]

I see ! Ty for the advice :)

[pallid girder]

I bet 3/5 dojo Gloria can hit 1M easily.

[rain copper]

yeah she totally can

[sacred badger]

is dojo gloria's 3rd passive, basically "Soften Up"?

[wise dune]

Basically, except she has guaranteed crits even at +0 rather than +2 like Soften Up, she basically doesn't need crit buffs since her Surging Strikes are sure crit too

[sacred badger]

gonna try nc serena first then.

can candy dojo gloria

honeestly i just use her for BR

and with her EXR she hits hard

[pallid girder]

NC Serena will still be better than DGloria if both at the same move level.

[long silo]

I'm sad I can't reach 4m with this team, but I take those

[orchid crescent]

my best water nukers are may and nessa but both are so hard to set up 😭

[crude sandal]

Nessa would kinda need SC Steven

[orchid crescent]

tfw no sc steven or chase or redlax 😔

[long silo]

Best to wait what Pykuo cooks

[crude sandal]

Nessa needs Relentless and Cakewalk

[warped gulch]

Me with non EX Nessa: how about no ?

[crude sandal]

So yeah, SC Steven is the best for her albeit no status spam

[warped gulch]

[long silo]

RIP then

[orchid crescent]

nessa lowers speed too slow and wants rain and may lowers accuracy too slow and raises spatk too slow 😭

[long silo]

So are you using May for the F2P clear

[warped gulch]

Idk tbh

I dont EX that much f2p water

[orchid crescent]

my only water pairs that are ex'd are ss blue, ss lysandre, and may/nessa 💀

[long silo]

I see. Understandable

[orchid crescent]

may let me be anabel though so shes chill

[long silo]

Do you have NC Blue

[orchid crescent]

no 💀

[long silo]

Brute force with SS Lys might be possible, but only if you can stack SMUN

[orchid crescent]

forgot to mention hes 1/5 💀

[long silo]

Burn won't hurt as much o- oh

[orchid crescent]

thats why i didnt mention him when i mentioned my nukers lmao

might go for a scuffed may + hapu + bp barry setup

[pallid girder]

If you have Chase, SS Misty would actually be a better choice.

[orchid crescent]

😔

is there a better pair to lower accuracy with than hapu 💀

[umbral sleet]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Accuracy Down‎

------------------------------

Arc Suit Cynthia & Garchomp
‎　⤷Sand Tomb: Discombobulate 4
Bede & Hatterene
‎　⤷Hard Knocks 9
Bianca & Musharna
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 3
Brycen & Zoroark
‎　⤷Night Daze
Burgh & Leavanny
‎　⤷Silver Wind: Unfortuitous 9
Cheren (Champion) & Tornadus
‎　⤷Discombobulate 4
Clemont & Heliolisk
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
Colress & Klinklang
‎　⤷Mirror Shot
‎　⤷Smokescreen Sync 2
Dahlia & Ludicolo
‎　⤷Muddy Water
‎　⤷Discombobulate 9
Dawn (New Year's 2023) & Oricorio
‎　⤷Grab Bag 9
Drasna & Dragalge
‎　⤷Hit Poisoned Opp: Stat ↓ 9
Emma & Crobat
‎　⤷Ruthless Toxin 9

‎

Eve (Poké Kid) & Eevee
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Falkner & Pidgeot
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
Geeta & Glimmora
‎　⤷Ruthless Toxin 9
Hapu & Mudsdale
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
‎　⤷Discombobulate 3
Ingo & Excadrill
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
‎　⤷Pocket Sand 4
Iris (Alt.) & Hydreigon
‎　⤷Entry: Team Stat ↓ 1
Jacq & Farigiraf
‎　⤷Unfortunate Strike 9
Janine & Ariados
‎　⤷Cross Poison: Discombobulate 2
Kali (Furisode Girl) & Azumarill
‎　⤷Stat Leech 3
Kiawe & Marowak
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 4
Klara & Slowbro
‎　⤷Discombobulate 9
Lear & Hoopa
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9

‎

Leon (Alt.) & Dragapult
‎　⤷Unfortunate Strike 9, Slashing Breaking Swipe: Hit Burned Opp: Stat ↓ 9
Lillie & Clefairy
‎　⤷Disarming Voice: Unfortuitous 9
Lyra & Vaporeon
‎　⤷Muddy Water
Lyra (Special Costume) & Phanpy
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
Malva & Talonflame
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Marnie & Toxicroak
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
May & Swampert
‎　⤷Muddy Water
N (Summer 2022) & Zoroark
‎　⤷Night Daze
‎　⤷Bedazzle 1
Noland & Ninjask
‎　⤷Accelerating X-Scissor
Oleana & Garbodor
‎　⤷Gunk Shot: Ruthless Toxin 9
Penny & Sylveon
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Petrel & Weezing
‎　⤷Ruthless Toxin 9

‎

Player & Alcremie ( Support)
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Professor Oak & Mew
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Raihan & Gigalith
‎　⤷Pocket Sand 4
Red & Venusaur
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Red (Champion) & Articuno
‎　⤷Discombobulate 4
Rika & Clodsire
‎　⤷Rampant Mud Slap
Rika & Whiscash
‎　⤷Mud-Slap
‎　⤷Mud-Slap: Discombobulate 2
Rosa & Dewott
‎　⤷Aqua Jet: Unfortuitous 4
Serena & Delphox
‎　⤷Stat Leech 4, Bedazzle 1
Serena & Fletchling
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 4
Serena (Champion) & Greninja
‎　⤷Unfortunate Strike 9, Discombobulate 9

‎

Shauna (Special Costume) & Klefki
‎　⤷Mirror Shot
Siebold (Holiday 2019) & Octillery
‎　⤷Octazooka
‎　⤷Octazooka: Discombobulate 4
Skyla (Anniversary 2022) & Tornadus
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Steven (Special Costume) & Stoutland
‎　⤷Restrained Scope 9
Sygna Suit Cyrus & Darkrai
‎　⤷Bad Break 9, Bad Break 1
Sygna Suit Hau & Tapu Koko
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Sygna Suit Leaf & Venusaur
‎　⤷Frenzy Plant: Discombobulate 4
Sygna Suit Leon & Eternatus
‎　⤷Lucky Seven 4
Sygna Suit Lusamine & Necrozma
‎　⤷Mirror Shot
‎　⤷Discombobulate 4
Sygna Suit Lyra & Celebi
‎　⤷Ruthless 9

‎

Sygna Suit Silver & Sneasel
‎　⤷Unfortunate Strike 9
Sygna Suit Wally & Gardevoir
‎　⤷Discombobulate 9
Victor (Palentine's 2024) & Greedent
‎　⤷Discombobulate 4
Viola (Holiday 2023) & Vivillon
‎　⤷Frozen Butterfly Stun Spore
Volkner & Raichu
‎　⤷Unfortuitous 9
Volo & Gible
‎　⤷Pocket Sand 4

[warped gulch]

Sadly Hapu is the best f2p acc lower

[vagrant ivy]

ss misty wants chase so badly

circle boost + free setup + gauge for sync power flux

[orchid crescent]

it doesnt even get much better than hapu lmao

unfortunate

i have rika but shes worse and will eat up all my time

[vagrant ivy]

my goal with her is 750k @ 5 syncs

since non EX she did 500k on 3v3

but I plan to ex her

[orchid crescent]

i dont think ive ever even looked as ss misty's kit honestly 💀

[pallid girder]

Maybe LRosa or LSilver ignoring their 1.5x sync multiplier will be fine.
Def down + SE can alr score good ig.

[orchid crescent]

the best accuracy dropper is 5/5 dahlia lmao

which defeats the purpose of using may to begin with 💀

i do have those but im not gonna ex anything else tbh

this is probably just gonna be a low scoring dc for me

[vagrant ivy]

💀

still better than bug and fairy st

[pallid girder]

Nah. Bug has fury cutter spam technic so actually not that bad.

[long silo]

This is the grid I can use for Dojo Gloria?

[devout pelican]

So Barry on reset

[rain copper]

NC Serena at home

[cloud timber]

going to miss the 1m mark i feel like

[dusty solar]

:/

[old valve]

These + the three lodge waters and BP Cheryl are my whole water roster- I guess I'm going with Dojo Gloria too?

[cunning rock]

Done and done~

[old valve]

Or would Variety Lyra be better or smthn?

Oh speaking of which lol

[cunning rock]

She needs 3/5

[old valve]

Ahhh, I see

I do have seven tech candies but is it worth it on Variety Lyra lol

[rain copper]

just use Dj Gloria

[cunning rock]

You have Dojo Gloria at 3/5.

[old valve]

Yeah that was my first thought for a reason

Any suggested partners in particular?

[cunning rock]

Redlax + Elio or Melony + NC Blue work

[old valve]

I have everyone in the clear pics posted so far, though my Chase isn't 3/5 so- oh okay

I'll try ol' reliable (NC Blue + Melony) and see how it goes

[hollow whale]

And that’s how it’s incompetently done

[old valve]

Is specing into Dojo Gloria's speed drops a good idea or is that a trap

[sacred badger]

Damage Challenge : Water Single - Neo Champion Serena 3R with Elio and Redlax 1R

yeaaaaaaaah~

[old valve]

Oh right Elio can. Deal damage.

I forgot about that.

[sacred badger]

elio taps her offenses to the max

i think i can get her to 2m

[cunning rock]

You need to grab her Relentless, Double Down, Max Double Down, and her sync damage tiles. Unless you unlock cap, you can't reach Tripping Strike

[dusty solar]

Good enough, uncaked

[cursive mauve]

Chase W again

[nova remnant]

First attempt

Gonna fiddle again later

[old valve]

Hey wait a minute

Is Elio's Impatient 1 worth anything lol

[vernal condor]

Nope

[old valve]

Daaang

Would've been funny

[sacred badger]

you can try it.

[vernal condor]

It just wastes time

[sacred badger]

but its clutch territory tbh .-.;

[sullen zephyr]

Easy 1.5M

[sacred badger]

i've had seen elio hitting impatient 1 like 4 times durinng dark single dc

other times it doesnt aactually do it.

[old valve]

Based on what everyone else is saying I think it's a time loss over just pressing sing once rei

Might want to remove that from ur grid haha

[rain copper]

it is, yeah

[dusty solar]

Dahlia only 1/5 so I can’t have any fun :(

by the time they release an N DC pair I’ll have enough tickets to 5/5 him lol

[sacred badger]

wut

3/5's good enough for their kit

if they ever release a DC N pair.

[dusty solar]

I like 5/5ing my Ns

[cloud timber]

impatient taking more time than elio's sing never made sense to me and i tested it

[dusty solar]

The kits are trash anyways

[cloud timber]

when i checked for a single sync for a single proc it saved time

[cursive mauve]

[old valve]

You'll never guess who unlocked cap on dojo gloria a while back for some weird grid shenanigans

[lapis yarrow]

Sync with all 3 or no? What's the strat?

[cursive mauve]

Melony -> Archie -> Serena

[dusty solar]

Actually redoing this for score log because Archie is so handsome

[cursive mauve]

4 syncs with Serena

[forest forge]

https://youtu.be/bt0jrY30PbM?si=EFEboynmruaOfhbj

[old valve]

Sanity check, this is the morally correct 3/5 Dojo Gloria with 3 grid uncaps grid, right

I do not trust myself lol

[dusty solar]

archieeee on the score log forever

[sullen zephyr]

For ST and self-buffing dmg dealers, redlax with seun is better than nc blue's sync up 2 passive right?

[forest forge]

I used this

i dont think theres a reason to lower speed, the max move did not do much damage i think the +20 attack node in the upper right is maybe more valuable

[old valve]

Does Insult to Injury affect the Max Move??

[forest forge]

i think when i did max move at the end with +8 sync buffs max move did only 70k

[brazen dew]

F2P highest?

[nova remnant]

Improving a bit

[forest forge]

moves = only attack moves not max moves pretty sure

i think it has to specify max moves like it does for sync moves

[old valve]

Why go for multiple normal move buffs, if I can ask?

[forest forge]

and at 3/5 gloria's sync multipliers only care about defense drop so lowering speed doesnt matter

[old valve]

This seems to be in total contrast to other advice I've been given since reset happened here so

[forest forge]

the grid just goes for the sync node enhancements and the +20 attack everything else doesn't matter

[sullen zephyr]

is rain worth the time loss going from sing spam to barry spam?

[brazen dew]

How much has nessa or may or misty scored?

[vernal condor]

I lost 1 sec to lag, I hate it here

[forest forge]

people are probably still working on that

for f2p pairs

[brazen dew]

Hmm

[cursive linden]

Chase superiority

[vernal condor]

always has been

[old valve]

...Couldn't you've dropped that non-gridpath-important Superduper 2 for Double Down 2 for stronger syncs though?

That's the big thing I'm confused about here

[forest forge]

oh you are right I thought double down was the top one

[old valve]

Damn

[forest forge]

yea you should change that

[old valve]

Gotta redo your run now

[forest forge]

I just swapped to Serena instead

[old valve]

Oh lol

[forest forge]

was just testing both

possible to maybe get 2m+ with dojo gloria if you pair with kygore + melony but

would be tough

[old valve]

I'll see how tripping strike goes, stopping enemy attacks from happening is pretty nice

[forest forge]

not sure if speed drops even matter enough for that

[old valve]

I'll do a run with Adren for good measure to compare tho

[forest forge]

its mostly just paralyze rng

[sacred badger]

https://youtu.be/q2Lfct3NnV4 i should probably make elio run adrenaline 1

[forest forge]

i feel like regardless of speed drops the opponents in damage challenge always perform the moves at the same time

[old valve]

Hm

Lemme test that

I'll do two runs, one where I do nothing and one where I do two surging strikes with tripping strike, and we'll see if it makes a difference

[vernal condor]

they don't, speed drops are nice to have

[vernal condor]

dont you want to click surging strike for defense drops anyway

[sacred badger]

anyone testing DC Barry?

[vernal condor]

bro he just released 💀

[oak dune]

Archie is so good thanks @dusty solar If only he has hostile environment

[vernal condor]

wtf

how many dodges/para lmao

[oak dune]

No dodge no para

Just round one para and Serena mpr

[vernal condor]

You're lying, I literally got 1m less than that