Damage Challenge

[forest forge]

But units with no grid are just useless

[warped gulch]

Wulfric can still freeze enemy so he isn’t that useless

[royal jolt]

OMG I FORGOT TO GET INERTIA

[cloud timber]

0 energy left on that grid

[royal jolt]

I'M STUPID

[cloud timber]

of the gridded units i actually consider zinnia the worst bc of how much she's actively detrimenting herself with every move

[royal jolt]

she's probably peak Arc Suit potential

[cloud timber]

her output should be good but figuring out how to handle her sucks bad

[forest forge]

I mean these are all the worst units

[warped gulch]

Smh she should have Downside Up or even just impervious

[forest forge]

Forever 3* unusables

[royal jolt]

Roark had potential

but DeNa said: Standfast 3, Standfast 5, and Standfast 7

[warped gulch]

Roark EX will be so good for f2p Rock 3vs3

Ramos is unless ? Idt he that bad tho, sleep just always a really good thing to have

[rain copper]

[warped gulch]

ew

[forest forge]

The original sygna suit

[warped gulch]

Still waiting for Misty EX

[royal jolt]

Aggravation on Rock Slide goes crazy, though

[forest forge]

He did over 500k on rock 3v3

[royal jolt]

oh rightttt

I forgot that happened

[warped gulch]

That a low side for 3vs3 f2p tho

[normal parcel]

Zinnia isn't that bad, at least she can do some damage, Lorelei just does absolutely nothing

[royal jolt]

I wound up nuking with freaking Emmet lmao

[forest forge]

Ya but it was for the memes

Wrong tyranitar

[warped gulch]

Olivia is quite good, but she need sand so ew.

[royal jolt]

I tried to make her work, but she just wouldn't

[cloud timber]

reason i wouldn't be too eager to agree is that she actually served a pretty important role for me last lg to duo with 1/5 ss n

[normal parcel]

She doesn't really need it

[cloud timber]

but i don't remember last time i used her before that

[warped gulch]

Roark has almost same nuke dmg to Olivia but without sand

[forest forge]

I think I scored very similar scores with Olivia and Brock

[cloud timber]

and zinnia is just always a pain

[warped gulch]

I wanted to tell that how good Roark is if he has EX tho

[royal jolt]

I like using Zinnia on occasion with SS Morty. It's kind of weird how the Pokémon that neutralizes weather needs it to output actual damage

[warped gulch]

He has almost same nuke to Olivia with Sand, but he doesn’t need sand

[normal parcel]

Roark probably would have been the best f2p option if it had ex

[forest forge]

Haymaker double down 5

Yea maybe

[normal parcel]

Double down 5 is much better than sand blaster 5

Not sure if gordie can still out damage even in aoe

[warped gulch]

And he has strong final move

[pallid girder]

If we don't count MC pair and event 3 stars (Jessie & James & NPC trainers), there're only 20 ish units lack ex.
We just need another 2 yrs for all of them to get ex!

[royal jolt]

now, let's see if any of them get an EXR

[normal parcel]

Probably when they have done with all the ex, they will start to roll exr

[forest forge]

Yea but Player and Pikachu is still a nutty healing unit for a striker

[royal jolt]

I really want Strike for SS Erika

[warped gulch]

Tech for Dawn

[royal jolt]

LMAO YES

her output always is satisfying

[pallid girder]

Can past seasonal get it first?

[nova remnant]

Support Lyrapuff so true

[normal parcel]

Support won't do much for her

I think she wants field

[royal jolt]

the last she could do is provide utility with like
Field lmao

[warped gulch]

Just let her be a meme

give she Tech

[royal jolt]

I remember I wanted her so bad because she was good at the time

[normal parcel]

Her sync is pretty terrible, has just a 50% multiplier that can't even setup by herself and is incompatible with her sync gimmick

[warped gulch]

-# Battle Villa monster

[pallid girder]

But fairy zone is one of the most stack zone.

[forest forge]

They could give Lyra and jigglypuff super ex role that gives her every role and that unit would still be bad

[royal jolt]

multi EXR

[normal parcel]

Lyra kit makes as much sense as Geeta with static shock 5 instead of virulent toxin 5

[forest forge]

The first summer banner of Steven and Lyra is biggest regret pull of this game

[normal parcel]

I mean back then they where quite relevant as units

[royal jolt]

I immediately went for Steven

BUT I COULDN'T GET HIM

[forest forge]

Only because they were the only 5* of those types

[normal parcel]

Best fairy type was Valerie?

[royal jolt]

I was at like 300-something points

[normal parcel]

Best ice I think was Pryce

Both grid less ofc

[forest forge]

Back when the enemy units swapped targets after every 2 hits

[royal jolt]

wasn't it after sync?

[normal parcel]

That was co-op

[royal jolt]

or was that co-op

ah

[forest forge]

And the end game content with 3x blue and pidgeot farming battle plaza

[normal parcel]

Back then they targeted always the unit with most bulk

[royal jolt]

yeah

what an awful time. but part of me misses it

[normal parcel]

I think they did something like (def + spdef) * hp or maybe def + spdef + hp

Don't remember if enemy haze on sync was still a thing

Like will was top tier because of impervious

[royal jolt]

Will, Eevee, and Steven

and I think Solgaleo?

[normal parcel]

Was haze on sync still a thing when solgaleo dropped?

[misty forge]

Yeah it was

Iirc it stopped around 2-3 months before Anni 1?

[normal parcel]

They could have still put it as a CS parameter

[forest forge]

Should have added that instead of sprint role

[royal jolt]

I'm saying, the old Haze on sync thing should totally re-emerge as a limited mode or something

[misty forge]

Or as cs param

[normal parcel]

Maybe if they up CS points it may be a new param

[misty forge]

In general it's extremely limiting as a mandatory rule even limited to a mode

[pallid girder]

I was all prepare one ub is about it but haven't happen yet.

[forest forge]

I mean you just use auto crit units and then put like dauntless or whatever you need on them

Like headstrong Geeta

[normal parcel]

Or Jasmine gaming

[royal jolt]

Downside Up

[timid tree]

no red tm refreshes 😦 but a million is a million.

[royal jolt]

oh!

[forest forge]

Does downside up actually stop haze effects

[pallid girder]

I also want to see any enemy has Haze but never happen either.

[forest forge]

Never seen the interaction

[royal jolt]

It should. It prevents your stats from being lowered

I mean, I could always try it rn in an ultimate battle

[forest forge]

Does haze lower or remove the stats

[royal jolt]

remove

[nova remnant]

Remove

[pallid girder]

We once have enemy with snatch move, but when you use units that can't be debuff they just skip that move so no interaction.

[normal parcel]

Haze is blocked by impervious and dauntless, it should be blocked by downside up, but not sure if it will boost your stats (probably not)

[normal parcel]

We tested that, it just fails

I think we did something like tanking with something like roark, Phoebe and suicide just before snatch to make it target the downside up unit

[forest forge]

Impervious through haze works but just haven’t seen downside up do it

[misty forge]

They could just
Yknow
Make the sync version be like the Jacq "use up" effect

Which ignores passives

[forest forge]

Is there even an active stage where the opponent uses haze

[royal jolt]

yeahhhh, I just realized that lmao

[misty forge]

There's the penny bc in rally

[royal jolt]

yeah, I figured!

[pallid girder]

What we have haze enemy?! Why I don't rmb it exists...

[grave halo]

I'm still waiting for the Downside Up enemy

[royal jolt]

I remember a stage in the base Wally event had it. I think it's Brendan

[grave halo]

Imagine LG with Downside Up and Fluid Fortification for instance

[royal jolt]

Latios's Revenge

[pallid girder]

I only rmb Snatch enemy.

But if it's a rally stage it should be event stage before but I still can't rmb any.

[pallid girder]

I think what you're saying is prob snatch not haze.
I believe it's Spring May & Spring Burgh's challenge battle.

[royal jolt]

yeah

mb

[sullen zephyr]

is pink feather the one for sync boost for skill gears?

[rain copper]

+feathers

[wispy pagoda]

Skill Feathers Classification:

Red Feather: Focus on Move damage Passives.
Pink Feather: Focus on Sync Moves damage Passives.
Blue Feather: Focus on Defensive Passives.

Green Feather: Mix of Red/Pink/Blue with added focus on Status & Interference Passives.
Purple Feather: Mix of Red/Pink/Blue with added focus on Weather passives.
White Feather: Mix of everything with bigger focus on Type Themes but with lesser stats.
Yellow Feather: Mix of everything with no particular focus.

Rainbow Feather: Fixed stats & passives tailor made for a specific pair.

[rain copper]

yup

[nova remnant]

It exists in the BR in the form of that Penny BC

[civic island]

Downside up act like as impervious at first, then apply the conversion if a debuff occurs
So if you're wondering if supposed restored stats are converted in to buffs, then no
#916852044692856834 message

[fossil igloo]

Talk about a hazy memory.

[sacred badger]

i thought it was zeen o.o;

[pallid girder]

Oh its made for Elaine.

[sacred badger]

i've had multiple instance of that bc in my rally stuff; but its typically with role bonus tech/support. elaine + ss steven gaming

[fossil igloo]

Has Zeen even been in this thread?

[sacred badger]

dont think so hrrm.

he only goes in here for types he likes, for electric for example ;o

[fossil igloo]

Shocking.

[normal parcel]

Who is the strongest unit in DC so far? SS gladion?

[sacred badger]

perr type?

[pallid girder]

If you're asking who hit the highest number, currently it's dahila.

[true locust]

Arc cynthia have highest 6,78m

[safe prawn]

It’s arc Cynthia with Melony and ncblue

[royal jolt]

I really need that lady at 3/5

[pallid girder]

Oh I didn't follow the ranked stuff. Hope the result won't change much in the regular dc stage since the ranked last time used a different stage.

[royal jolt]

I wonder what the DC will be like when they do add rules

[vagrant ivy]

finally I can rest

CS2 was needed

[sacred badger]

https://x.com/coreen1002/status/1837143075019505941 impressive o.o

コリーン@ポケマス (@coreen1002) on X

今回配布恒常攻略行けなくはないけど結構しんどいですねこれ

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 2:53 PM

[crude sandal]

That number is perfect

[pallid girder]

Hala did almost perfect 1M! (Only 83 more)

[devout pelican]

When DC got fanart
https://x.com/survive_serving/status/1837154163693883788

壁打ちさん太郎 (@survive_serving) on X

👧😠🤓

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 3:37 PM

[rain copper]

Why does the preschooler look like kid Lyra

[devout pelican]

Well she's not that old herself

[vapid kernel]

I cant recreate @latent plover clear, i think your gears too op

I got to 3.2M

[pallid girder]

What past dc you guys think will change their best striker?
Like SSLusa would prob be replaced by exr Lear.

[ivory kestrel]

Certainly Single Ground DC

[nova remnant]

Multi steel might? Who was the highest anyway for that?

Was it Gloria?

[normal parcel]

She scored so high? With what team?

[normal parcel]

I think was between poppy and Gloria

[true locust]

Same as all nc blue melony

[ivory kestrel]

nah, Steel 3v3 certainly was Gloria, though she needed to be 5/5

[true locust]

Lusa was first so nobody new meta teams

[normal parcel]

I scored a bit less than 4m, I guess RNG, 5/5 and skill gears where heavily involved

I had 3/5 with her custom LS

[pallid girder]

I mean if Lear didn't get striker exr, SS Lusa would've still be the best but just different team.

[slender venture]

SS Lear will replace Gloria

[true locust]

Gloria have sure crit super up next and rebuff

So if you miss crits

[thin wren]

Sure crit can be replicated

by resetting

[plush palm]

cant seem to go higher than about thid much

[thin wren]

rebuff was only -1 st so shouldn't give that big of a boost

[slender venture]

and on 1 target

oh you said it

[thin wren]

you do lose seun but Lear gives 50% damage boost with his passives anyways

*70

my bad, I forgot about the grid tile

[slender venture]

what will be the biggest boost is the B move

with stacked smun at the end

[thin wren]

he also haa Accel and final giga nuke

does v thorton para

[pallid girder]

Technically not exactly 50% vs 70%. It's x1.5 vs (+60%)x1.1

The additive part will be diluted by his other multipliers.

[normal parcel]

But still pretty unlikely to crit like 15 hits in a row (don't know how many syncs they can get)

[lapis yarrow]

What is the start for this? I am trying to get above 300k lol

[slender venture]

Lear is just better 100%

takes less setup too

[normal parcel]

I mean you can go for 15 Crits if the run has no RNG involved

[plush palm]

Thunder wave spam

EXR redlax ( not necessary but helps a lot )

[normal parcel]

Is more that Lear has a much better finisher too

[plush palm]

you basicaly do fuck all w/ hala till the last couple seconds ( for last ditch dmg ). basically sync rush w/ colress twave and occasionally use a redlax TM

[lapis yarrow]

Do you use Redlax Max move?

[plush palm]

only of you run out of TMs

can also pop a mini pot first turn

[thin wren]

gloria relies on a few mpr 1s as well and as long as it's not 0%

[plush palm]

no animation on potions if everyone is at full

[thin wren]

it can happen 100% of the time

[lapis yarrow]

Do you only sync w Redlax before you start syncing with Hala?

[plush palm]

yes

[lapis yarrow]

ok ty will try this our later and hope lol CS2 for Hala is ok right?

[plush palm]

yes

[lapis yarrow]

Do you use Screech at all?

[plush palm]

only thing better is SP3

oh ueah screech x3

i also run HS1 on colress and redlax which probably cuts down rng a bit

[lapis yarrow]

Yeah my deluxe cookie stash is non exsistent lol I need to focus more on LG when it comes around

[pallid girder]

May I ask how much exactly? I only know both Gloria and Poppy hit 3M but who's better is always a myth to me.

[normal parcel]

Was talking about arc Cynthia

I meant that I didn't broke 4m with 3/5 arc Cynthia, while too score was over 6m

[thin wren]

top score was 6.8 mil

about expected

with the standard blue and melony

[pallid girder]

Oh! The custom LS is actually worse afaik.

[normal parcel]

Someone said that it was better

But maybe not for top score

[thin wren]

it ended up being worse

if you want as high as possible

[normal parcel]

How much RNG it required? Like a bunch of full para?

[safe prawn]

Don’t think it’s gonna change a lot, the rule was no special dmg and we don’t have special strikers for ground (Naomi doesn’t count) and I have to say arc Steven was fast

[normal parcel]

Did arc Steven had the same stats post sync?

[pallid girder]

The first Cynthia sync is said to be need to use under no sand, so you'll have enough time to squeeze in another sync. With her custom ls you lose dmg there, and ofc the last bmove.

[pallid girder]

The moves are different tho. If the opponents in general dc use moves with longer animation it'll matter.

[true locust]

If arc cynthia have ground zone no sand

Score would be 8m+

Since you easy do 4 sync super up next

[safe prawn]

Also we could try different teams comps, Chase too could make a diff

[vagrant ivy]

heres some sync crit odds to cheer up your day

3 crits: 51.2%
2 crits: 38.4%
1 crit: 9.6%
no crits: 0.8%

assuming no innate crit buffs and +3 crit

since crit stat -1 on sync moves is base 80% chance per

[visual mantle]

So what would be odds of critting 12 times in a row vs 3 enemies (4 syncs x 3)?

[normal parcel]

6.87%

[visual mantle]

Yeah I don't need to hit 1M in Ice DC, I'm good

[true locust]

Chase on 3 is not good since you lost bonus from gear

If you para 1-2- for 3 need use his move or he need get hit wat is bad idea

[vagrant ivy]

i para the donphan with move and the crobat and xatu will get themselves para'd anyway from passive

no need for circle since i use hala

so can grid HE9

[normal parcel]

If you have paralysis gears yes, however triple para with Zapdos is really annoying to get

[vagrant ivy]

i have opp para. sync +9% from gears

so its needed

[normal parcel]

I mean center and right have AOE, you only need to thundershock domphan

[vapid kernel]

Lear doesnt have double down 9 so no

[fluid anvil]

some characters are pretty good in DC
-Cynthia - best in ground 3v3, ground 3v1, ghost 3v3, ghost 3v1
-Lear - best in Steel 3v3 and Psychic 3v3 (pretty sure) .. 3v1 Psychic is still Jacq and 3v1 Steel I'm not sure who is gonna be best now
-Red for 3v3 Ice (and 3v1 Ice too?) and 3v1 Electric (unless Ash or Hau can beat him there) and 3v3 Grass (unless Adaman gets Strike EXR)

[fluid anvil]

Lear is Tech+Strike, he should beat LuSSa

[misty forge]

Yeah lear 3/5 kinda shreds lusa

Lol

Not like she's bad

But he's basically 20-25% stronger while also accounting for supp ex and the first SEUN sync on Lusa

Also he has more cd

[true locust]

Hard too tell since we may never check it:)

Nc blue nc rosa lear or lussa

Lear good is have soft up but his set up will take some effort

[misty forge]

You think so?

Can't you just run usual NC blue + NC Rosa

With max speed + blue TM he has +113% rising tide which is good enough

Also +1 defs from discharge

[copper otter]

4/5 lear would be much better

He also needs someone to omni buff for rising tide

[cursive linden]

Tfw Lear is gonna be better than SS Steven

[copper otter]

Chase/Melony/Lear lowkey

Chase can buff evasion/speed which can help Lear

[cursive linden]

No NC Blue?

Oh yeah, RNG

[copper otter]

Rising tide scales by how many stat buffs lear has.

And you can't use his TM

Tm has regen

[cursive linden]

Oh shit

[slender venture]

Or just pick 7 stats up sync tile

[copper otter]

Ok 5/5 lear haver

[slender venture]

Nah I don't have him

Just talking about optimal clear

[misty forge]

I mean at 113% rising tide he hits 7mil sync Vs 3mil lussa

So,

Iike,

You don't need to max it

[copper otter]

Make it stronger

[misty forge]

You can once you stole stats

Esp if you fish for mprs

Oh wait

It's teamwide regen?

Not only on self?

[copper otter]

It's aoe

Hence you can't use TM

[copper otter]

Losing soften up

[misty forge]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/6600/72000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDhESFBYZIyUsLi8xMw

For soften up

[slender venture]

You can sacrifice 50 sync BP for soften up

[misty forge]

Nah

Not worth

If he's 4/5 you're gonna 8E him anyway

This is with
+6 speed from X speed+ all
+1 defs from discharge
+6 spa +3 crit from blue TM

No terrain

[copper otter]

4/5.

[misty forge]

No rebuff

That's also valid sure

Not that it changes to the one I linked

You're not clicking xspa anyway

[copper otter]

You will if you want to proc propulsion 1

[misty forge]

Lussa with SEUN
Lussa without SEUN

[misty forge]

Ramp up 1 won't matter anyway

[copper otter]

Hmm

[misty forge]

As long as you pick

• rising tide
• soften up
• 4 sync nodes
• no team buffs node

The rest is kinda whatever

You'll always end with -7/8 energy

[copper otter]

You can do a cheaper grid.

[misty forge]

That's losing on +5 spa and speed but sure

It's only 20k orb difference anyway

[copper otter]

Skill gears can patch that up

[safe prawn]

Chase Rosa Lear

The psychic rebuff will make the difference

[misty forge]

Yeah NC blue/chase lear Rosa is definitely gonna be the top scorer

[latent plover]

Rosa also gives theme skills bonus to Lear

[misty forge]

So uhm

SS Steven syncs as hard as lussa uh

And has soften up to guarantee the crits

Just no TM mpr shenanigans

And first sync seun

[vagrant ivy]

chase only beats NC blue since evasion makes an extra sync possible

[copper otter]

I'm annoyed that chase has mind games 9 at 5/5

[vagrant ivy]

but he won't be spamming thunder shock much

in the psychic 3v3 comp his main job is probably circle

[copper otter]

-1 still does a lot

[vagrant ivy]

fair

and +spA for lear

[icy pendant]

no? steven doesn't have a dd9 replacement

[misty forge]

Blue also drops defences and is less RNG so I'd prefer him even if I had chase

[misty forge]

And?

[icy pendant]

60 bp increase does not offset a +90%

[misty forge]

He still hits as hard because of native rising tide

I literally just checked

3.9mil steven Vs 3.5mil lussa

[icy pendant]

steven was 1.5m behind lussa during psychic 3v3

[misty forge]

Lussa has first SEUN advantage tho, so her first sync is more like 4.something

Lemme check

[icy pendant]

it is not an insignificant dropoff

[misty forge]

4.6

[pallid girder]

SS Lusa has no way to compensate her way lower multipliers by 1 SEUN and quicker setup.
It's like Ash vs SS Hau.

[misty forge]

Steven hits 3.9

But he has soften up

Which is worth mentioning

For consistency

[icy pendant]

he has the consistency, and maybe now with better strats he does more than just scratch the surface of 2m but right now he has 1.5m to make up over lussa who has the same strat improvement

[misty forge]

Weird

The numbers on Poma tools tell another story

[icy pendant]

yeah when there's historical data to go off of, that's going to be better than any theoretical calc

[misty forge]

Yeah, must be said psychic 3v3 was also like

The first DC

We had not much awareness

[warped gulch]

I tried para spam back then

[icy pendant]

yep you definitely replace ss lana in those teams with your paralyzer and then actually use sing spam on nc rosa

[warped gulch]

But sadly he didn’t do more than SS Lusa

Idk about sing spam tho

[icy pendant]

we didn't have sing spam for another few stages after that

[misty forge]

Yeah it took a while

Almost a month?

[warped gulch]

Yeah, i remember i used Melony when i tried to improve f2p poison

And just noticed that Sing without any passive is insanely fast

[vagrant ivy]

i'd probably go ss lana as the primary DD

[pallid girder]

Redlax + NC Rosa for SS Steven?

[vagrant ivy]

since i don't have any of the better psychic units

like lear

[warped gulch]

https://youtu.be/wBluBx2cBJg?si=8TyRua6xEPZWdFIc

[pallid girder]

Sadly no para psychic terrain setter exist.

[warped gulch]

This one was my first time use Melony

Yeah, exactly 1 month

[vagrant ivy]

hm

i might drop janine for chase but koga needs poison for multiplier

or bp barry if f2p

[warped gulch]

Well this is f2p after all

[latent plover]

I wouldn't say he's gonna be necessarily worse now given it was the first challenge and we developed the meta only later. Steven with sync spam can reach a lot higher

[young tartan]

So regarding single fire, since me no have moltres, who's the next best unit?

[warped gulch]

Janine is good here bc evasion, speed buff, theme skill

[latent plover]

For 3v1? Probably SS May

[icy pendant]

sure but he’s definitely fighting an uphill battle

[latent plover]

Well he ain't beating Lear with EX R

[young tartan]

Wait not gloria?

[icy pendant]

SS May is only worrisome because she doesn’t compress as much as NC Leaf does

[warped gulch]

Why Bp Barry tho ?

[vagrant ivy]

paralyze

[latent plover]

Pretty sure May's sync is still stronger

[pallid girder]

Sadly even when we know SS Steven can spam himself it still feels like not optimal.

[warped gulch]

Koga need poison

[vagrant ivy]

faster spam might get an extra sync since poison eats time

[icy pendant]

May should hit harder for ST fire

[vagrant ivy]

idk

well fair enough ig

[latent plover]

Well he said he doesn't have NC Leaf

[warped gulch]

That is his multiplier

[vagrant ivy]

now i think the multiplier is worth more than the extra sync

yep

[young tartan]

Like i love my girl but doesn't she needs like a bunch pf set up?

[warped gulch]

Nah

[vagrant ivy]

?

[icy pendant]

yes, and that’s exactly her problem

[warped gulch]

Even if you use Barry, you only still get total 7 Syncs

Barry still eats time bc his grid

[latent plover]

May has insane ramping though. Much better than fire Gloria

[jaunty stratus]

Hi everyone

[latent plover]

Sprint EX R too

[jaunty stratus]

Im having trouble hitting 1m with ncred

[young tartan]

Maybe SC Steven ?

[jaunty stratus]

My teammates are chase and ncrosa

[latent plover]

Is your Red 3/5?

[jaunty stratus]

2/5

Exr tho

[latent plover]

That might explain it. Red need 3/5 for his sync multipliers

[warped gulch]

Barry still only provides you 7 Syncs total, i know that bc i literally the one use Melony + Barry first. But anw, his gauge from grid will eat time so you dont save that much time

[jaunty stratus]

Oh i see, well that sucks

[warped gulch]

Poison worked there bc i pray with dodge rng

[icy pendant]

welcome to DC, where 3/5 is basically a requirement on every damage dealer

[jaunty stratus]

I have a 3/5 summer Steven tho, is that okay

[vagrant ivy]

i see

[latent plover]

I think you can still hit 1 million but it's gonna be harder

You probably will need to go DPS route cause at 2/5 you have access to furious brain

[pallid girder]

Do you have 5/5 Hala? He has 1M record.

[jaunty stratus]

Yes but he's not exed

I don't use him much to justify the ex sadly

[vagrant ivy]

i EXd him just for the DC lol

[latent plover]

I still suggest you try DPS route with Red

[vagrant ivy]

was worth since i got 1m

[pallid girder]

Then stick to 2/5 NC Red and accept the number ig.

[latent plover]

Hala 1m also needs NC Blue and Melony EX

Or BP Barry and DC Gladion EX

[jaunty stratus]

Yeahhh that's another problem i don't have ncblue

[vagrant ivy]

or chase and melony

and +E too

[latent plover]

Chase is less effective with Hala

[vagrant ivy]

your most convenient way out is bp barry dc gladion

[jaunty stratus]

Also doesn't chase slow down the units because of his passive?

[vagrant ivy]

does the NC blue run do 5 syncs with 1 SEUN boosted sync at front and 1 SEUN boosted sync near the finish

thats what my run with chase did

[latent plover]

If you don't tank with him, not really

[jaunty stratus]

Silver has aoe though

[latent plover]

Chase has evasion going for him

[jaunty stratus]

Oh right

Oh oop

Anyway i get hit by stray cutters even so

[latent plover]

Yeah but you can avoid the single target moves. You may need to reset for paralysis procs

[vagrant ivy]

i've got little clue about how the NC blue run works with hala but ik the run with chase requires at least 4 misses or paras for hala to get his fifth sync

[pallid girder]

In general using Chase or using NC Blue with special striker can always hit similar number without trying too hard.
From my observation and experience.

[vagrant ivy]

and you need to crit 13/15 his on sync for 1m at cs2

before the first sync, you use 1 x spA into TM along with sing

then you use chase TM again just before hala sync

since i grid melony for max move damage she doesnt get team sharp entry 1

you shouldn't be running out of gauge

[jaunty stratus]

Oh yeah

Regarding nc rosa, syncing with her makes her lose sing

Is playing relic song worth it to make her change back to aria forme? Or is there another way

[vagrant ivy]

generally not worth unless you wanna try for +2 evasion for dodge

but you'd have to ask others for the full picture since i dont use her often

her b move is around 10 seconds long i think

[misty forge]

Sprint exR does compensate, and the +2 stats and crit can patch setups

[jaunty stratus]

Yeah that sing spam is very useful

[icy pendant]

I think there's a decent argument to be made on psychic 3v3 to use b relic song right before her sync as her proc for psychic rebuff, but that's about the most sensible use of b relic song that I can see

[copper otter]

For the ncrosa, chase, lear comp, do you only want to support sync once?

Or do both support syncs?

[true locust]

3 vs 3 better nc blue

If you have gears for status para/

Chase para all its take time or him get hit it pain

[copper otter]

Lear's rising tide however is what i'm more trying to figure out hence Chase

[true locust]

If use chase it will need use all off his tmp plus special attack mp

Wat is bad

Nc blue 14 give snatch hard tell if not same will be nc rosa can give 4

So set up lear whit nc blue nc rosa is way more easy and faster

Chase is good 3 vs 1

[dry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-revenge-anger-scream-gif-14732238

Small update, I've had the God run 9 times and all Chase had to do was not get hit by 1 Dazzling Gleam or Air Cutter. It did not matter if Red or Melony got hit I would have enough time but if Chase got hit the heal would screw me. Every single time he got hit by both.

[vapid kernel]

Is Chase tanking or Melony

I swapped and made Melony tank and that was much more consistent

Consistently getting past 3.2M at least

[vapid kernel]

Ye i did the swap and saved 10 seconds before 1 minute mark Lol

That passive just takes up so much time

[lethal siren]

How do u apply paralysis

[vapid kernel]

Aoe moves from enemy

U'll eventually get everyone

Even if u dont, the time saved is enuf to compensate for one enemy being not paralysed

[dry whale]

Obviously not, my screwed up runs hit 3.8-4 million. I want to know how high I can get it if I nail that sync.

[vapid kernel]

Nice

[lapis yarrow]

So who will be some semi f2p team comps for next DC?

[true locust]

You para them vs chase or from his passive?

[plush palm]

so much rng

but its def possible

[west creek]

how many sync moves

[vapid kernel]

Flannery idk

[west creek]

torchic

[dry whale]

The closest I've got is to manually paralyse the Donphan and let his passive get the other 2.

I've also tried having Chase tank and let the passive get all 3 and save time not using thundershock but then he thinks he is Neo and starts dodging everything. Other times he gets hit by everything triggering his heal.

It's just a heavy RNG run.

[true locust]

Since i saw hyper vid he tank whit him and para all from passive

But your idea para left and rest aoe is better then tank whit him

[dry whale]

Well I got the run, two things went wrong , Kanto Circle ran out and no followup. I need the beginning to go right so my Kanto circle last the entire fight. Which means I need the bulk of the dodges to happen on the second half of the fight.

As for the final Blizzard this is actually the first time I did not have enough gauges

[west creek]

Oh well i tried

I'm out lol

[teal harness]

after single fire, its triple fighting, maybe bea or riley?

[cursive linden]

NC BIANCA

[stoic crest]

Will red and red lax work for this?

Or is something better? Please ping me

[teal harness]

dont have her

[cursive linden]

[teal harness]

nop

[cursive linden]

Bruh

[jaunty stratus]

My glora is 1/5

I hope she's enough for next week

[royal jolt]

Champion Leaf gaming

[teal harness]

triple poison will be ss roxie's moment to shine

[west creek]

I will maybe use my 2 red candies for her in this case, i had these 2 candies for months lol

[royal jolt]

I've got Geeta for triple poison

[west creek]

Tho i have 3/5 Decidueye

[west creek]

Ill try some pairs

[cursive linden]

So whose gonna be better? NC Leaf or Gloria (Alt. 2)?

[teal harness]

dojo gloria can do 1mil just fine on single water, I did it on triple water lol

[west creek]

I can try both if you want

But i think leaf will do better

[latent plover]

How you got this high score

6 syncs with Red?

Not even with 5/5 Red

[teal harness]

I think they synced with both chase and melony b4 starting to sync with red

[latent plover]

Yeah that's what I did too

But with this score did they somehow get 6 syncs after both Chase and Melony synced?

It doesn't seem possible I think

[royal jolt]

I wish I had Klara for 3v3 poison

[true locust]

You can run out off gauge easy whit melony even 6 speed like i got whit nc blue

[teal harness]

there's gonna be triple flying at late october, I wonder if 1/5 nc cheren or lodge skyla will do better

[royal jolt]

Oof

[cursive linden]

😭

[royal jolt]

ALMOST

Why is this so hard?

Is it because I don't have HS1? 😭

[versed shale]

Do you have adren1 on either blue or mel?

[royal jolt]

Nope. I just didn't have cookies to do so, lol

I resorted to using one of my guaranteed cookies for HS1 on Melony

[royal jolt]

Evasive Strike 9 must go so hard on SS Silver here

[west creek]

poor guy

[royal jolt]

Misery

[west creek]

great depression ahhh team

[royal jolt]

The dark ages type team

[west creek]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[royal jolt]

I need Silver to understand that he doesn't have On a Roll 9 on Crunch

[teal harness]

after single ice the whole thing will reset with the same order?

[icy pendant]

very likely so, the battles are coded with the same end date as the UBs

[vapid kernel]

Wow

[stoic crest]

What is my best option for this? I was thinking red with red lax?

I can cake him if needed

Please ping me

[normal parcel]

Depends on what staple supports, you have, with 1/5 red you may want NC Rosa + NC blue/chase

[stoic crest]

I have all 3 of those. Blue is 3/5 and caked

[normal parcel]

At 1/5 red you really want to get at least the base sync multiplier maxed out

I think 1/5 can get it 50% done with blizzard + tm, them you need another 5 sun from Rosa/blue

3/5 blue can give + 3 if you grid for that, Rosa can easily give +2

I guess you can sync with blue 1st and then spam red syncs

So you avoid wasting time with relic song

[stoic crest]

Don't use sing?

[normal parcel]

Yes you use sing

I mea. You don't relic song

And don't sync with rosa

Expecially if not rolex

[stoic crest]

She is, but again relic song problem of switching back

[normal parcel]

I mean if you don't sync you don't use relic song at all

If you want to sync you have to relic song once (before sync is a bit better because you avoid fighting rebuff animation)

[stoic crest]

Ah that makes sense

[normal parcel]

I mean if you relic song you can avoid using Rosa tm to get the last 2 seun

With Rolex I guess you don't waste that much time,but probably is better to keep syncing with red

Don't grid charging infliction to Rosa, and ofc no troublemaker

Grid sync -2 defenses on NC blue and sync +1 smun on blue, don't grid the extra smun/pmun un rosa because you just need +5 since red can get already+5 (use tm after blizzard or blizzard will consume the smun)

If you Rolex red it will be better ofc (I think tech role cakes are the least requested overall

[stoic crest]

Ah that makes sense

Thanks I will give this a try!

[royal jolt]

I'm so glad I got Arc Lance to 3/5 after both Dragon-type DC stages passed :)

[royal jolt]

My own DC clear video was recommended to me lmao

[dry whale]

2 support syncs , 5 syncs with red. SP3 + 30% from skill gear for being paralyzed.

It's just a heavy RNG run.

[dry whale]

I'm done , that makes 11 failed runs.

I've reached phone meets wall territory so it's best I stop

[teal haven]

Is hala better than ghetsis?

[lethal siren]

Is it necessary to have SP3 for 3m?

Or more

[lethal siren]

Ghetsis setup is difficult

It takes time

Pecking order might set up
But innate inertia

[pallid girder]

Not Inertia. It's kekwok

[lethal siren]

Ye cakewalk

We don't have any team who can setup cakewalk

[spiral halo]

ScSteven

[cloud timber]

yeah ghetsis setup is bad

i only gave those a few tries but still

[thin wren]

what would ya all say are the most monumental moments in dc history so far

[cloud timber]

rise of melony aaron and oleana

[thin wren]

when was melony discovered again

[cloud timber]

single poison

[thin wren]

The first one I ever saw was pykuo trying to make a f2p team for st poison

[cloud timber]

yeah that was the first known use of her

[teal haven]

Ticket Candice?

[thin wren]

?

[cloud timber]

for current dc she's really bad, hail reliant and bad spa stat

[teal haven]

Oh shit you right she has a worse spa than pryce

Wow this sucks

[thin wren]

use hala

[teal haven]

1/5

[thin wren]

f2p team got 1 mi- oh

[thin wren]

I'd say another big dc discovery was the strength of chase

initially I think batman was the one who used him to success in bug 3v3?

[cloud timber]

yea

[thin wren]

then chase started gaining popularity and sing spam appeared

[dry whale]

Here is the 4.5m.

It's a failed run since I screwed up the Kanto Circle and missed the follow-up Blizzard

https://youtu.be/ynfHE3kyjb4?si=mOt2y4wfGvSah0xg

[thin wren]

Since this dc rotation will end in a few weeks I want to keep track of each big discovery in each rotation

[cloud timber]

usually there's nothing very new though

same strategy but swap out a few parts

[thin wren]

Yes but I like keeping track of stuff

[cloud timber]

if you try to do it for every single rotation it'll look a bit empty

[teal haven]

I know "BNB" stands for brave and the bold but I want you to know I occasionally read your name as "batman bed and breakfast"

[dry whale]

Yeah, I brought Chase in because I did not have a Bug Zone unit.

I'm sure it would have been discovered eventually.

[thin wren]

that's what I always read it as

I wonder if we will ever get an unit with no passive sing and para

[stoic crest]

These grids right?

[cloud timber]

blue does want impervious for this one

otherwise good

[stoic crest]

And we think 1/5 red will work right?

I'm going to cake him

[cloud timber]

yeah

[stoic crest]

So my plan is blizzard red, then his tm. Discharge on blue, then his tm. Tm on Rosa then one relic song, so when she syncs she goes back for sing spam. And sync with blue. And then sync with red. Right?

[cloud timber]

sounds like what you'd want

though i think you want 2 tms with rosa since you want highest possible smun

[normal parcel]

I got 3.4m with cs2

[icy pendant]

ya anything's possible if you have the gear to back it up

I went just shy of 3m with cs2 myself, but I have no gear bonuses

[normal parcel]

You want the node at the top left of the upper sync BP node to get an extra smun on sync in blue grid

[lethal siren]

We didn't know melony stat in triple psychic right?

[normal parcel]

Red at 1/5 gets 5, blue gives 2 at base +1 with the 3/5 node so Rosa can max it with just 1 trainer move (or with relic song + sync)

[icy pendant]

we didn't know it for like a month once dc released

[stoic crest]

Can you post a grid by chance? I'm not sure how to rebuild this to include everything I need

[lethal siren]

I increased my score to 2.6m

[lethal siren]

How

[normal parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/2103/14500?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDSUnKiwtLg&x=true

[normal parcel]

But you need 3/5 Rolex chase (not sure if you can get it with 3/5 Rolex blue too)

[lethal siren]

My chase is 3/5 rolex

Did u make melony first pair to get attacked?

[normal parcel]

Yes

Chase should never tank

[lethal siren]

I made chase

[normal parcel]

Never tank with chase

[lethal siren]

Should I take HE9 then

[icy pendant]

idts? you usually just wait for chase to get hit by a spread move

[normal parcel]

I didn't used it, an AOE is enough to paralyze

[lethal siren]

Ohk

Ig this team will be useful for next dc also?

[normal parcel]

I mean he1 is good to have but I didn't had enough energy for it

[lethal siren]

With NC leaf

She has special sync

[normal parcel]

Probably

[lethal siren]

And it's a single target

So good

[normal parcel]

And she's kanto

[stoic crest]

Thank you!

[lethal siren]

Ye

[normal parcel]

For most DC melony + blue/chase is generally a safe bet

[lethal siren]

Three leer and one bmove before sync should be good for sync ig

Support ex role

[normal parcel]

Yes however with Rolex chase I feel that sun may not last enough because leaf has only extension 3

[lethal siren]

Ye that's a little problem

[normal parcel]

Maybe chase + Rosa and double sync with rosa to avoid relic song may delay sun enough to last the whole battle

But maybe with the time wasted debuffing sun should last enough after double support ex

[lethal siren]

Ye

[cloud timber]

i think you should just take solar sync

[lethal siren]

Double support sync should be good

[normal parcel]

Yes I'm talking about solar sync

[cloud timber]

how bad is the b move then

[normal parcel]

Isn't solarize and with extension 3 only lasts 80 seconds

[normal parcel]

I guess you still want to b move to save 3 leers and have sun for 1st sync

[lethal siren]

Yes

[normal parcel]

Solar sync isn't field ex

[cloud timber]

ehhh i'd rather forget first sync sun and maintain running nc blue melony

use b move to refresh sun after solar sync sun wears out no

[normal parcel]

But you will need to use 3 extra leers

[lethal siren]

Triple dc
I used melony and nc blue with double support
Sun lasted till end

With bmove before first sync

Single target is little less time consuming

[normal parcel]

I guess with the time wasted by 3 leers and the b move after 2 support ex,sun should last the whole battle

[lethal siren]

Yes

Afflictor frevor 1 gives -1 countdown

[civic island]

Spammers were already knew bcs of Gauntlet and the very first sing spam on dc was used under electric terrain
So i think the biggest turn is Melony ncBlue, bcs how solid it is by slapping them almost everywhere

[lethal siren]

Ye sing spam looks more better than thunder wave spam colress

[feral hamlet]

Alright, hopefully this type rotation isn't as dire as the previous Fairy typing one was where only like 2 units were viable for 400k+

[lethal siren]

I didn't know this strat in earlier DC's

So I would use this

Like for psychic, bug

[feral hamlet]

Do I need 3/5 Red to quadruple my score? Is this the ceiling for 2/5?

[acoustic chasm]

I just found out my NC Bianca was NOT caked during the Summer Marnie 900k run

1 whole sync buff worth of damage lost

[feral hamlet]

lol literally free to play tier. Whatever, this is good enough

[civic island]

He gets +190% multipliers, so yeah that's a huge boost, cake also helps
Still an investment tho, if you don't want you can even go for a dps route
Just tried it out with 2/5 grid and got 1.1M with ncBlue and a zone/circle settler (Glaceon, Chase, ssLear and whatever that boost)

[cloud timber]

calcs i did return 2/5 nc red as being somehow 60% as strong as 3/5 with sync nodes and mulltipliers strangely enough

maybe i did something wrong but i also threw in max smun

which is less attainable at 2/5 anyway

[rain copper]

with 2/5, Red gets 7 SMUN in that comp

5 from himself + 2 from Blue's TM

[cloud timber]

could get one more from blue's sync off sync think and even more off mpr from either

[civic island]

Yup

[rain copper]

oh didn't notice that Blue is 3/5

[olive wraith]

CS2

[stoic crest]

Uh champion red only does 600k

Meleotta is too confusing to use

And I'm wasting too much time with her I guess that's good enough without candying red?

I didn't get to even use red until 1 minute left. Is that right?

I synced with meleotta, then blue, then red. And he only did 150k in damage despite using all tm and having used one blizzard

[pallid girder]

Melony is better than NC Rosa in every way.

[thin wren]

usually

[stoic crest]

Yeah Rosa just sucks

Can I go higher with melony, champion blue, and champion red?

[thin wren]

nah, she's still pretty good as a sing spammer but melony is just usually better as a sing spammer

[thin wren]

that's the second most optimal comp yes

[stoic crest]

Do I work it the same? And it should get more than Rosa?

[rain copper]

i recommend watching the example to get the idea of how the comp works

[thin wren]

Same assuming you are using the standard strat

[thin wren]

^

[sacred badger]

wait. what's dc blue doing there? o.o

[stoic crest]

Like I said before I can watch videos all day I don't really grasp anything unless there's written instructions because I just forget what I watched.

[rain copper]

the idea is that you use Blizzard once to get 3 SMUN, then use Red's and Blue's TM afterwards to get more SMUN

i don't know if the documented clear gridded the Protect: SMUN tiles, but it helps Red getting 10 SMUN after Blue's sync with Sync Think gridded

[stoic crest]

Oh I so I did it right then, because I had 10 when I synced. But it still only did barely anything.

[olive wraith]

Thunder Wave

[rain copper]

then i have no idea why it doesn't work for you, assuming you follow the usual Melony strat + Red is gridded for nuke

[stoic crest]

Probably because red is 1/5?

I was told it should work at 1/5 though unless that was wrong. I can candy him if needed

[rain copper]

so that's why

while 3/5 NC Red is generally a great investment, i don't recommend candying him solely for this gamemode

[stoic crest]

Gotcha, I'll probably just call it good. I have like 200 candy coins but I just never want to invest them

[feral hamlet]

I also have him role ex btw
I have Irida, but would that be worth giving up sing spam? I already only get 3 syncs in with Red

[rain copper]

Irida holds him back

just do the usual Melony + NC Blue strat

[feral hamlet]

Then yeah, that's the cap

[pallid girder]

Fun fact: NC Red just hit 5M and is the currently only member of "can hit 5M but not gonna do 6M" club.

[lethal siren]

Dc blue doesn't have spe def drop on thunder wave?

[rain copper]

no, only Psychic

[lethal siren]

If he had, then we could use him in single target

[lethal siren]

Ohk

[rain copper]

if there is, i think it will hinder him

[lethal siren]

Yup

He could be useful for dc if he had

I mean he is but spe def on thunder

[feral hamlet]

But is it worth 4 strike candies?

[lethal siren]

How high nc Marnie did in triple dark dc?

[thin wren]

who would ya all say is the second best non spammer dc support?(unit doesn't have to be support role)

[thin wren]

finally

[pallid girder]

Imo 2 candies and get him to 3/5 is good bc he can still be used in many other contents.
But another 2 candies to 5/5 just not worth it.

[pallid girder]

She didn't even break 4M iirc.

[lethal siren]

Oh

[thin wren]

3.4 mil

was the highest I ever saw from her

[cloud timber]

still -2 on every psychic which isn't too bad

for dc blue, was scrolled up

-1 on entry too with befuddle

[latent plover]

5 syncs with Red is insane

[pallid girder]

That's the power of Chase (evasion).

[lethal siren]

Sp3 makes difference

That's without +10 smun

With +10 smun
He is above 5m

[pallid girder]

Chase should be gridded with Spatk: team SMUN +1.

[lethal siren]

Ye

Nc red was without protect sm2 ig?

In that video

[lethal siren]

You could get 5m easily if u have made some changes to grid

Is there anyone who can beat this in coming dc stages?

Or get close to it

Arc Cynthia

In triple ground

[pallid girder]

We had many 6M in the past. 5M is actually funnily not that impressive anymore.

[feral hamlet]

I just can't push it more. I sync with Blue, then Melony, then 3 syncs with Red. And then rush a Blizzard or two before time's up

[lethal siren]

Wait
In that video, when donphan used stomping tantrum
How did it went from 1.8m to 2.4 m

At 2:30

[rain copper]

it's a known glitch

[lethal siren]

Oh

[rain copper]

you can read about it starting from here: #916852044692856834 message

[lethal siren]

No access

[rain copper]

you have to follow #strategy-and-research first

[vagrant ivy]

do you lead blizzard for ice rebuff since he does that

also what move level is your CRed

[feral hamlet]

Oh man, wait, does his first attack put rebuff on the target?

He's 2/5. I had him 1/5 gridded before I started this so he should be good

[rain copper]

yes

you want to attack with him first to apply aoe rebuff, and before stacking SMUN

[feral hamlet]

Darn, I had been doing B move because I thought only it applied it

[rain copper]

avoid using B Move until last seconds

you only use it as the finishing move

[feral hamlet]

Barely had time to use the b move. They just attack so, so much

[warped gulch]

Dont use B Move at all

[feral hamlet]

Yeah I bet I would have gotten the 1m with another blizzard instead

[warped gulch]

Blizzard is better than B move as a final move

[feral hamlet]

The Blue grid I had wasn't as good. It helped to have the one file that lowers defenses on sync

I didn't take off the one that boosts paralyze peoc but it just isn't happening as often. Feels full odds

[dry whale]

There is nothing easy about that mess of RNG, I wasted a good chunk of Friday and most of Saturday trying to get a complete run.

Was denied 11 times with optimal runs that would have had the final sync and followup under Kanto circle if only Chase had dodge one of the last two aoe. His heal ate the time

The only run that made it threw was the one I posted. I consider that run a failure.

You did mention something about the grid. This was a mistake on my end. I had fixed the build in Pomatools but I guess I forgot to change it in-game.

[toxic sleet]

4/5 hala moment sajj

[feral hamlet]

[vagrant ivy]

what does sc steven do

and how many hala syncs

[royal jolt]

I assume he's there for defense debuffs. I guess SEUN on sync as well? I can't imagine it's incredibly fast. At least compared to sing spam...

[normal parcel]

Rosa can top off non 3/5 smun for red, you don't have to sync with her

[normal parcel]

That used to be a staple comp in earlier DC, now sing spam is just better

[toxic sleet]

sc steven was for -1 rebuff on mid then defense debuffs + SEUP

i have no ncblue and tm mpr for hala was taking up so much of my patience on the dc gladion team kek

so i went with the good ol sc steven bp barry team

that run was 4 hala syncs + an ice hammer at the end

[copper otter]

Sometimes you just want to be funni.

[vagrant ivy]

arc lance thinks hes on the team

[crude sandal]

And it's clearly not

[copper otter]

you're right, it's hilarious.

[normal parcel]

Arc lance is fine for units that need to get relentless/smarty pants and. Can't really do it by themselves

Mainly renegade Cynthia

At least if you lack SC acerola for her

[copper otter]

Special costume?

[normal parcel]

The one with jellicent

[copper otter]

Summer Acerola

[normal parcel]

Yes, don't have her so don't remember what classification she has

I only know that people used her to setup renegade Cynthia in AOE ghost and that she has ghost zone and AOE spdef debuffs

And I think she can paralyze?

Or maybe they used corless

[copper otter]

that's not acerola

that's Yarrdenia

[normal parcel]

Don't have even her

[copper otter]

Acerola has positive Water and Ghost rebuff for the team

[normal parcel]

Positive rebuff seems quite useless for dc

[copper otter]

it is, it's much more useful for HSE and other specific meta, but her other thing is cursed body. any damage dealt to her debuffs the opponent.

Yarrdenia is the one with steel zone + Spdef drops along with ghost zone

[normal parcel]

Yes that is what they used then

Can she paralyze?

[copper otter]

Not to my knowledge

i have her 2/5 and only used her for Ghost Zone

[normal parcel]

Wondering if arc lance will be better, not sure if hyper beam is slower than metal sound but it can paralyze (however yardenia support + field ex really helps) but Cynthia still can set ghost zone by her own, however that's unextended zone and ghost wish has the animation, but yardenia still summons a mandatory but useless steel zone (with animation)

Other options are stuffs like NC leaf, Lenora, and SS Hilbert, but SS Hilbert won't do much besides metal sound

[copper otter]

Arc lance would be much better for units that need both spdef and def drops (SSR Cynthia)

the only problem is move gauge unless you use Elio

[normal parcel]

I guess Rosa can work but you have to relic song and tm with her

[copper otter]

next DC will be Fire ST, so NC Leaf will just need someone to apply SEUP and sync rushing

[normal parcel]

Cynthia doesn't really need def debuffs (they help but aren't as necessary as spdef debuffs)

[copper otter]

understood, but since Arc lance is already able to debuff both stats, you'd might as well. if ST Ghost

[normal parcel]

Or maybe just good ol chase + melony

[copper otter]

Eh, chase/Melony and NCBlue/Melony is boring to me

[normal parcel]

NC blue however may speed up the setup

[copper otter]

I'll do it for Ranked DC

for now, i want to have fun with random teams

[normal parcel]

I guess Redlax, holiday jasmine should work

[copper otter]

Thinking Holiday Jasmine/Melony

[normal parcel]

Jasmine has catalyst so I guess it could work

Best team will probably be leaf + melony + chase or NC blue

Maybe NC blue because it saves 2 leers

Circle is better than an extra 20% sync multiplier, but not if it costs a sync

Ok maybe with dodge luck you can still score more than with NC blue

And I guess 5/5 chase can still save a leer

[fluid anvil]

Lance wont be replacing Yarrdenia or even NC Leaf/Lenora in ghost 3v3, not even close. He needs to use his moves total 6 times to debuff everything and he doesnt really offer anything else (paralysis yes, but no speed buffs for Melony)
in 1v3 ghost he is at least an option, but I'm certain NC blue + Melony will still be better, because with blue you can get to -6 spdef with only 2 shadowballs - which is same number of attacks as Lance needs to debuff. So why use him? (unless you dont have 3/5 blue)

What ghost needs is an Arc pair which will either replace or compliment SSR Cynthia

(alternatively 5/5 MFs get grid expansions and Cynthia gets like Brainpower/Haymaker or something - that would be huge)

[true locust]

Lear😋

[misty forge]

1/5 red?

[true locust]

No

[normal parcel]

3/5 can easily score over 2m even with f2p I guess

[true locust]

I did 2,1m whit barry

[normal parcel]

I guess Lear works, but is far from optimal

[true locust]

Its just for fun test . He only good is cirle and def drops

[copper otter]

Sometimes you don't care for optimization, sometimes you just want to have fun with different options.

[normal parcel]

I think Lear may be decent for techs that have bad sync multipliers

Maybe with SS Steven if you don't have stuffs like NC blue and NC rosa

[true locust]

If steal dc come back in ranked we can test lear

Since outside it he never be meta play

[normal parcel]

Yeah I don't think Lear will be meta outside of steel aoe dc

Maybe it can be an option if you are lacking the optimal units

Is interesting that the last ranked despite having the Steven image was No Stevens club, and also high score was no Stevens club, at least special champion stadium is steel weak, but you can use the other arc suits too

[copper otter]

it's why i have a hunch that next HSE will be steel

[true locust]

Hse steel electric:) since need rule aplay para:)

[copper otter]

Steel/Bug.

[swift pulsar]

Something went off … I even had HS1 on Melony

[normal parcel]

I think is better to sync with just NC blue unless you can sneak an extra sync with red

[rose basalt]

fellas, whats good for fire single

[misty forge]

N definitely

Oh wait

NC leaf is literally there

Lol

[cloud timber]

f2p options for water single are not looking good

ss misty is looking best

but even for her it's a 75% chance to raise eva with water gun and she needs +5 after agile entry

may has rain but hide and sync and mega penalty suck and she gets no other sync boosts beyond the typical 2 nodes

dire rain might give 100% sync crits though

fire single will want blaine more than serena even without having ex but serena can status spam on her own

just suffers a lot of hypnosis animations since you need them asleep

3 mults and sun compared to 1 with serena (actually 2 and way worse attack stat)

[vapid kernel]

Why did Melony GMax deal 600,000

[dry whale]

Visual glitch. The numbers dont add up sometimes and it fixes itself the next hit.

[cloud timber]

yeah aoe damage doesn't always calculate all 3 and just adds one of the values

but it fixed itself on melony's hit

[jagged radish]

I wonder how good my SS Silver will do when 1 enemy ice DC appears 3/5 EXR NC Red was kinda nice, almost 3b.

[cloud timber]

3b

ss silver is already capable of 1.85m in triple vs x speed all

way more breathing room in single without enemy speed boost

[jagged radish]

oh yeah forgot it was mils not bils , wrong game

and ic 1.85m i, def at least another sync or 2 in single mode hopefully lol

[paper plover]

is mayziken a good unit for 3v1 fire?

[cloud timber]

seems very solid

[cursive linden]

Sooo, what's the team?
Chase/NC Leaf/Melony?

[cursive linden]

Good enough for 1M+ for sure

[cloud timber]

has to be nc blue since chase doesn't boost physical no

[cursive linden]

Damn

Wait, her sync move is special

[paper plover]

what partners would i give mayziken?

[shadow zealot]

Can we always choose neo rosa over melony for her master passive for sing spam? Or is there a reason for melony specifically

[warped gulch]

I look at f2p fire and tbh, i might just use Silver again

[cursive linden]

[cloud timber]

oh if she's special then chase is good

[warped gulch]

Yeah, Leaf’s Sync is Special

[cursive linden]

But her B Move is physical

So no boost

[warped gulch]

Still big enough

Her B Move dmg isn’t that crazy

[thin wren]

Chase gonna be optimal again

Leaf compresses -2 rebuff and sun

[lethal siren]

Yes

We need a kanto sing spammer

[cloud timber]

bp surge

dc blue is even better for special

[lethal siren]

Oh ye dc blue

[cloud timber]

and no reactive passive

but bp surge has the support ex

[lethal siren]

Head start 1 and tm countdown

[cursive linden]

Chase / NC Leaf / BP Surge?

[cloud timber]

idk how good chase is at providing gauge for 2 bars but someone got use out of nc red/chase/dc blue

surprisingly surge is only 14 points slower than dc blue, forgot how fast he was

fully gridded for speed

[thin wren]

Let's see if chase can sustain surge

wait agatha

hear me ou

*out

[cursive linden]

My bp surge is not EX'd so ican only sync with chase and leaf

[thin wren]

nvm agatha ain't support

[cloud timber]

agatha can self enable sleep spam at least

[cursive linden]

No need to double sync, right?

Or, is it a must?

[cloud timber]

if nc red doesn't use double support sync

[thin wren]

agatha has +6 speed iirc

agatha would have been goated if she was support and hypnosis was 1 gauge

cuz she has para

[lethal siren]

Ig without double sync
Sun won't last long

[warped gulch]

But but this is DC

[crude sandal]

Oops

[warped gulch]

l

[crude sandal]

I keep forgetting

And also I have a habit of going here a lot that I forget that when I'm talking about rally, I talk about it here

[thin wren]

leaf has sun on sunc

*sync

[crude sandal]

Only once

So you kinda have to time her B Move with Drought Alert along with Solar Sync

[thin wren]

it's 2 minutes and 40 seconds total right?

[icy pendant]

in case you didn’t get an answer yet, master passive doesn’t boost sync moves, so Melony is a sing spammer who can also provide support EX (Rosa has a massive hoop to jump through in changing form back to psychic form)

[thin wren]

since nc leaf has support exr I think optimal spammer would be Rosa

[crude sandal]

Also, you're gonna burn with Leaf?

[thin wren]

chase para

[royal jolt]

Champion Leaf gaming

[sacred badger]

champion leaf gaming 😮

[royal jolt]

I was thinking of Blue, Leaf, and Melony. That seems like the "no-brainer" team

[bleak summit]

Can You help me against Nita?

You guys think i can do 300-350?

She destroys me after sync

[rain copper]

#1128052735967764621 you should post here

[bleak summit]

Aww My Bad so sry

[rain copper]

All good

[sacred badger]

nc leef gaming hrm

i think i'll try chase + nc rosa

[royal jolt]

Chase for para? Or are you gonna try to evade some stuff