High Score

[oak fulcrum]

I believe just stages, no conditions

[royal tiger]

Dahlia is gonna be nice in Marlon or Elio hum.

[outer whale]

Currently seeing Dahlia, LySSandre, Dojo Gloria, Archie, and Sycamore are going to be amazing this HSE

[cyan tusk]

Keep in mind gladion naturally debuffs spatk with his regular move

[royal tiger]

for marlon, Katherine's nice too.

[cyan tusk]

Eventually he’s great with ssmina and an additional spdef debuffer imo

Gladion fits so well both ssmina and penny

[sullen pier]

if Marlon has the same battle rule, Cerena is amazing too

actually she is always amazing on every stage

[cyan tusk]

I’m thinking about running him + volo and 1 among ssmina or penny

[sullen pier]

unless on no tech battle rule stage

[outer whale]

Cerena will definitely be the wild card this HSE

like, use her anywhere, win.

[royal tiger]

I should just give her her cake now lol

[cyan tusk]

This time we might also run Cerena with rain not on Marlon

[sullen pier]

SS Mina is the better choice for defensive support, i think that team can clear 1000

[cyan tusk]

Another wildcard is 5/5 SSLysandre with spdef debuffs on penny

[outer whale]

5/5 SS Lysandre is such a high cost tho

like yes it would be good, but.... man.

[digital jungle]

Oh wow can't even get 180k now

[sullen pier]

can someone remind me of Penny stage's gimmick?

[royal tiger]

Mixed attacker

[outer whale]

there really isn't a gimmick? she just does mixed AOEs

[sullen pier]

i heard that spdef debuff is required, or is it Valerie?

nvm i found the pastebin

[royal tiger]

sshe's gonna have some debilirating Stage Gimmick :x

Elio too sigh

[outer whale]

inb4 the 4 horsemen of parameters come into play
No healing
Sync Countdoen -3
No Tech units
Sync moves do less damage

[royal tiger]

if the Sync Moves do less damage stuff, Dojo Gloria lets go 😦

(or NC Serena)

[cyan tusk]

No tech units and sync moves do less damage we have already learnt to work around them

No healing and sync around 3 are pita

[outer whale]

Might as well meme it up

[sullen pier]

wait until support role takes 80% more damage

[mortal timber]

Onto absolutely serious HS stuff matter, who wants some ice cream? Just made some lol

[sullen pier]

gib mir

[cyan tusk]

Me

[mortal timber]

This is gonna be my mood during this event, mentally accepting that this one is a rough one haha

[graceful pike]

at least the X role is easier now thanks to role cakes

[paper mist]

can I get a link to the info?

[royal tiger]

https://pastebin.com/u/Absol-utely

[mortal timber]

Can't wait to know the actual rules

That's when imma start rolling gears

[cyan tusk]

Recycling gears*

Where are the stage gimmicks and rules and also the sync grids so I can manage my financial planning

[hollow prism]

What flavor

Extremely important question

[mortal timber]

Hazelnut

[hollow prism]

I’ve never tried it

But that sounds close to chocolate and chocolate ice cream is mid so ur on thin ice

[mortal timber]

It's amazing to me, goes very well with many other flavours

[hollow prism]

I’m gonna get flamed so bad for my ice cream take btw

[arctic quest]

I really need to respond to some awful takes there but unfortunately we're in the HS channel

[haughty haven]

[haughty haven]

I never try this sadly. Idt my country has that flavor

[cyan tusk]

Well now I’m craving ice cream and imma get it rn
Still waiting for dabbo’s dinner invite

[mortal timber]

Dinner with HS planning to lose our minds hahahah

But food talk aside, Arch is right, too much off topic

[haughty haven]

This channel only on topic when Hs happen

[forest ferry]

We don't even know stage conditions and scoring yet

[shy flax]

Looking at my Water and Fairy pairs, I can use a Tech role cake on Volo (1/5 EX) or Archie (3/5 EX). Which is better? I can also wait until the event but I wanted to see if I could get some extra battle rally points this week

[forest ferry]

Both exr suk

Save

[cyan tusk]

You cook dinner I cook teams

[cyan tusk]

Save

[mortal timber]

And then we share our findings hahah

And cheer with a nice glass

🍷

Perfect Italian dinner

[cyan tusk]

I might also start cooking teams earlier if we get the infos

[forest ferry]

already got some comp ideas assuming there's no unique params

but yea would be nice to see the stage conditions

[hollow prism]

Dabbo and Bicio going on a date? Lol

[tiny breach]

Is there anyone who I can pair up with wally so i don't have to waste his sync just to activate his b move

I know diantha exists but it seems too intensive to have the two gardevoirs

[forest ferry]

SSblue

But wait for stage conditions

[hardy fog]

That belleba looks usable in HS.

[sharp hedge]

getting ready to revenge psychic hs rerun?

[mortal timber]

Does 4/5 SS Mina have some benefits or is 3/5 enough?

Asking this to see if I can focus on Rika since she is the only supp she needs candies in my roster lol

[sharp hedge]

4/5 is gauge accel and adr1

i dont think its that impactful for hs

gauge accel might matter depending on who you pair her with i guess

[mortal timber]

Hmm I see

Guess I'll wait for now then

I am really conflicted on who to max out from all the 4* lodge and BP stuff etc

For fairy

They all have the potential of being pretty useful probably

Debuffs in particular

[cyan tusk]

Nope

I was brainstorming some stuff today and noticed that she has syncro healing at 5/5 but it you have any light fairy zone user as volo you are not gonna sync with her again so 3/5 is fine

[sharp hedge]

just have to wait and see

[mortal timber]

I do be very lucky of having him

[sharp hedge]

i think ss mina is either stop 3/5 or go all the way to 5/5 for mh

[mortal timber]

For now I brought some to 5 star

Then I'll decide who to ex

Just lodge Lillie, Valerie and Sylveon and Mina and Granbull are still 4*

[sharp hedge]

bp valerie might be a good sub dojo gloria for that steel weak but idk if she has the bulk to survive 1k str

[mortal timber]

Time to use both jk depends no idea too tbh

Was going to surely cake role urshifu

And even if 1/5 SS Wally

I just double candied SSRC + cake too lol

[hardy fog]

Wait Rika is a girl?

[cyan tusk]

Btw, my 2 cents by far

[mortal timber]

Jeez dahila cserena together lol

[cyan tusk]

Team 3 to 7 actually. Team 7 is just random trash, team 3-6 have a minimum of thinking. Just notice some op stuff is out

[hardy fog]

So you are using geeta for Marlon yea?

[cyan tusk]

And Steven for Misty

this is her policy

[hardy fog]

Nice ss steven for misty

I knew you were cooking some good sh!t

[mortal timber]

Still no rules out right?

[cyan tusk]

Yeah no rules are out but the idea is to spread my debuffers along the way

[mortal timber]

I wonder if misty is gonna have the same stuff like interference immunity etc

[cyan tusk]

Like having fully invested sslys there’s no need to put cerena or dahila with him

Bc he already debuffs by himself

[mortal timber]

Dang true that he debuffs everything

I always forget about that part

[cyan tusk]

Penny with Wally I can focus Wally on nukes and penny will handle debuffs

The only thing is I might swap lisia with Diantha

[mortal timber]

Might think it can be a decent play

[cyan tusk]

I’ll cake Wally so there’s no problem in syncing with both gardevoirs, I can keep Penny’s sync burst for later

[mortal timber]

Caking him too even if 1/5

The value is still very very good

And I will supp role urshifu for sure too

These are my two only investments for this one

No cserena ofc like last time so, gotta pray I can balance that with a good solution

Talking about Marlon's stage

[hardy fog]

You don't think Dahlia is a waste there with no access to extra rain?

O you are going double grass in that team

[sharp hedge]

no archie?

i think he has a chance to be played this time around unlike previous hs

[mortal timber]

He had a decent chance even before with thunder

It really helped me at higher str

Used him kriSS and Barry

[sharp hedge]

[mortal timber]

If I gridded better and gave Kris a better passive I could have went around 900 methinks

But it was early HS

We were young and innocent 😇

[sharp hedge]

the second time kris didnt rerun for hs

[mortal timber]

Pain

Time to reduce that pain with a tasty amatriciana pasta

[candid cobalt]

I'm hoping this HSE won't be as painful as the first one

That water HSE is my lowest HSE Masters score yet

[mortal timber]

I think with fairy competition wise it's gonna be even tougher

Stage clears we have more options

So should be fine

[hardy fog]

As low as this?

[candid cobalt]

I somehow got way more points in Grass HSE with this roster 😭

[mortal timber]

Crasher wake, flinch goat

[candid cobalt]

Almost the same

[mortal timber]

What a life saver

Is he still lvl 148?

Hell yeah hahah

[hardy fog]

Lols

[mortal timber]

Reason being to survive a certain str marlon’s sync

Absolute goat

[candid cobalt]

Water vs Grass:

Same teams, just higher strengths for grass

[cyan tusk]

Yes but that team is:
Let me throw my most op stuff together and see how it goes

This this setup all teams have at least one atk debuff and the best defense debuffs they need

I might put swap dahila and Vlyra eventually, but cerena would nuke without rain, mmmh

[hardy fog]

Does dahlia have a team to nuke in or she likely to play a supporting role

[royal tiger]

I think all of them have Resilience o.o....

[cyan tusk]

She might be nuking in the end to destroy the sides eventually, but she needs to stay in a team with rain bc of innate multiplier

So I might be swapping her

Wait im not using glojo

[hardy fog]

How could you

[cyan tusk]

There’s too much stuff to use

Btw there’s few physical stuff that is worth using imo, I might be pairing glojo with Lisia to abuse -6 Physical def down

[hardy fog]

I'll be using... bp Valerie because I'm budget

Double iron head ftw

[cyan tusk]

Max steelspike goes brrrr

[mortal timber]

Everyone has since like all the previous 5 HS, never stopped anyone from flinching or sleeping still

[cyan tusk]

I see Valerie is pretty physical except for draining kiss, while sides are special. So if we take down sides before mid we can focus only on atk drops

Elio the opposite but sync is special so both atk down

Oh Misty has only 1 dragon breath use so ice guard is recommended

So Marlon is the only whole physical one, while Misty is special. The other new 3 are focused on both atks

[royal tiger]

inb4 you get paralyzed, but its those sidemons. 😦

especially the one with Ice Fang

Frozen or Flinch'd ;-;

[cunning shore]

Tbh looks usable everywhere

[hardy fog]

why another psychic type though 🥹

[cunning shore]

Good i can convince myself I don't need her

I do

But i can convince myself otherwise

[sharp hedge]

inevitable psychic hs 2 obviously

why do you think they made jacq

[hardy fog]

at least half a year away

[cyan tusk]

Dear absol

Plz give us more info so I can make my financial planning

Best regards

[ornate turret]

wait I thought everything is already on pastebin

[cyan tusk]

Nope we don’t have stage conditions

And bonus points

[royal tiger]

Unless u want to go through 82mb worth of text i guess

I tried. I managed to get through 10% of it sigh

[haughty haven]

Well it doesn’t matter to me bc i will just steal Bicio other team

[cyan tusk]

I already know my first draft will all be destroyed by parameters

Expecting no tech area this time bc of volo

Another combo I’d like to squeeze in is Glojo + og kris

[signal needle]

oo OG Kris

[mortal timber]

Very strong combo, I remember praising feraligatr a lot

Solid solid sync

[cyan tusk]

It can also be done with sskris as a support but you’d be wasting her special stacks

[mortal timber]

I think I used her VS Archie

Lana tank

And forgot the third

[cyan tusk]

Maybe if we get a no WTZ condition

[cunning shore]

We already got 2 1000str stages from water hse

[main pulsar]

Same tbh

[cyan tusk]

Gladion + penny/ssmina is easy 1K again

[cunning shore]

Gladion only I got

[forest ferry]

1/5 penny and 2/5 ssmina

And no rate up

[sullen pier]

get them from mix easy

[forest ferry]

but I'm poor

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-pokemon-broke-money-gif-9827347

[sullen pier]

hi poor

[outer whale]

I'm more impressed that Jessie had coins to begin with

[cyan tusk]

1/5 penny will do slightly worst, 2/5 mina will need another fairy zone user

[forest ferry]

Sshau

Well my best fairy dps is diantha anyways

[haughty haven]

Should i candy SS Mina to 2/5 ?

Or i save it for future

[cyan tusk]

If you have access to satisfied snitcher do not deny her, she might come in handy if no tech parameter is around

[forest ferry]

Yea I am waiting for params

[cyan tusk]

Well my Misty team is safe tho

No it’s not where’s confusion

[cunning shore]

Ain't the water stage exactly like the previous water event?

[mortal timber]

i have a spare strike candy, eusine or ss lys?

kriss eusine archie is looking preeeetty tasty there

[cunning shore]

Wellllllllllllllll
Thank fuvk we don't have a no heal stage

[cyan tusk]

Nope Misty was no status or interference

And Marlon I don’t remember

But confusion is gonna be a pita, some of my teams don’t have it also we have 2 stages each where we can use rain (Misty - Valerie) and 2 for the fairy zone ( Marlon - Elio)

[mortal timber]

No strikers allowed

Dang confusion again? Fudge

I remember not applying confusion back in the days VS Misty

[cyan tusk]

I might be swapping Vlyra for dahila tbh so that the team has confusion

[mortal timber]

I am gonna evaluate what to do

Heck we back again with it

Not mentally ready

[haughty haven]

Marlon was no Striker

[cyan tusk]

I mean may 7 is still ahead

[forest ferry]

ok

Cerena vs penny

Ez

She's the only one that has chance at 900+ str without wtz

[outer whale]

Pain

[cyan tusk]

I second this and I’m thinking about who could be her best partner

Sycamore is super fine but 3rd?

[forest ferry]

Cerena, sycamore, elio

I doubt elio usable anywhere else

[cyan tusk]

But Elio could be used to max gladion master passive

[outer whale]

CONFUSION AGAIN????

[cyan tusk]

Ssmina gladion Elio on Misty

[sullen kestrel]

Who even has confusion

[cyan tusk]

1K

[forest ferry]

I think it's better to cook other teams before getting to cerena comp

[cyan tusk]

Cerena - Syca also have the master passive

[outer whale]

bede and Dahlia

[forest ferry]

Isn't water comp better vs misty?

It's fully special

[sullen kestrel]

oh

[forest ferry]

So kriss is ez slot

[sullen kestrel]

Well I have bede

[cyan tusk]

Gladion himself has sp atk debuff

[forest ferry]

Mina has mixed defensive spread

So it's better to consider her for elio or Valerie

Kriss can't tank those stages

[cyan tusk]

Are you really gonna give them fairy/water boost? 🥲

[forest ferry]

Elio is water sync

I was just mentioning there's 2 mixed damage stage already

And using Mina in pure special stage feels like waste

[cyan tusk]

Mmmh I have to team build tomorrow bette tbh

Also I think that Syca - Cerena - Glojo might work on stage 5

[forest ferry]

Misty also spam blizzard

[cyan tusk]

Or cerena - Syca - Burghepi

[forest ferry]

So acc down from water core is much more reliable

Elio also has aoe but acc down are all from water

Unless I am forgetting someone

[outer whale]

High score params (Stickying for later)

[mortal timber]

I think it's gonna be time for water fairy mixed skill gears

The nightmare is real

[outer whale]

Gotta do Rebuff here.

valerie is no params, so she'll be rough

no params = just unga bunga.

[hollow prism]

Yeah 600k is happening this month

[outer whale]

Ok, valerie wants you to lower Spdef.

[hollow prism]

These params are ez

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, dahlia, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, lisia
Elio : penny, gladion, bede
Valerie : Archie, Vyra, SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, elio

So far

Theoretically

[hollow prism]

Health is kinda meh but other than that?

Yeah it’s over

[forest ferry]

Oh right dojo exist

Misty : SSkris, dahlia, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, lisia
Elio : penny, gladion, bede
Valerie : Archie, Vyra, SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

Lemme check if all team has confusion

[outer whale]

cerena can confuse?

[forest ferry]

She has confusion in grid

Maybe Archie is ditched

I only put him for extension to run Vyra

[outer whale]

I would move Dahlia to Marlon or Elio

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, Vyra, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, lisia
Elio : penny, gladion, bede
Valerie : lysandre, ?? , SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

[hollow prism]

Nah Sycamore Glojo core on Elio

[forest ferry]

Elio is water
You can run fairy core no?

[outer whale]

correct

[hollow prism]

Move Penny Gladion to either Valerie or Penny

Sycamore hits Elio super effective

And Gladion is smacked by stage condition

[forest ferry]

Sycamore not seperating from cerena

[hollow prism]

Yeah he is, Cerena could do 800+ last time on Marlon

With Support Cake?

[forest ferry]

Oh right striker stat down

[hollow prism]

And fairy partners for a slightly more optimal team?

Sycamore is a complete lock on Elio

[forest ferry]

It's only 100 BP move tho

[hollow prism]

And i’ve been using Sycamore Glojo as a core with poison stall

[forest ferry]

And not even guaranteed crit

[hollow prism]

With -def from Glojo tho

And +atk with max knuckle

Add a crit buffer and that’s gg

Glojo also has nuke

[cyan tusk]

Do keep in mind we are evaluated on remaining health so burghepi’s potions are crucial

[outer whale]

Oh no..... Chat.....

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, Vyra, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, gladion
Elio : bede, penny, palrena
Valerie : lysandre, dojo , SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

[outer whale]

we have a problem

[forest ferry]

Wait, I double dojo'd

[outer whale]

All the units that have confusion at base.

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, Vyra, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, gladion
Elio : bede, penny, palrena
Valerie : lysandre, dahlia , SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

[hollow prism]

Uh oh

I’m missing all 3 of the exclusives ☠️

[cyan tusk]

You are not considering gobsmack via grid

[outer whale]

hence why i said at base

[cyan tusk]

Bc the filter doesn’t count for it

[outer whale]

not with grid

[forest ferry]

Bede has gobsmack no?

[hollow prism]

With grid how much better is it

[cyan tusk]

Penny and ssmina have flabbergast

Also Volo

[hollow prism]

So SSmina 3/5 is probably something i have to do

[forest ferry]

Noway volo is getting a spot

[hollow prism]

Funny thing is i’m missing 2/3 of those as well

☠️

[weary rivet]

SS Wally has it at base

[forest ferry]

[hollow prism]

I have like 15 units missing

[cyan tusk]

I am gonna use volo tbh

[outer whale]

OH

Units with Gobsmack

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, dahlia, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, gladion
Elio : bede, penny, palrena
Valerie : lysandre, vyra , SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

I can see volo in elio or Marlon but

Even elio run is resetting for no liquidation coz every good tank is special focused for some reason

[outer whale]

WAIT, IMAGINE USING VOLO TO GET DYNAMIC PUNCH FOR CONFUSION

i feel so sorry for the people fishing for that with 1/5 volo

[forest ferry]

Is volo better dps than palrena?

Wait I feel stupid for asking that

[outer whale]

Volo is inconsistent

[forest ferry]

[outer whale]

but he has confusion so

[forest ferry]

So does bede and Wally

I doubt either of em are replaced for/by volo

[forest ferry]

Does it remove bede for volo?

[haughty haven]

Volo can debuff accurate if you want

And has a lot of field to ruin your quad queue

[cyan tusk]

I might be ok with this setup using cerena on the no striker stage, the only thing is I have to swap may if I wanna use that team in the no WTZ stage

[forest ferry]

Okay

Fuck bede then

Volo > bede for evasion hax

[main pulsar]

I think I’ll actually candy vlyra

If we have a confirmed Archie vlyra 1k str team

[forest ferry]

My roster is so bricked

[cyan tusk]

Uh I have an idea

The egg is the idea

[forest ferry]

My only limited options + Ladaman

I doubt even breaking 400k

[outer whale]

This is what i'm working with...

I could swap out archie with Vlyra

3/5

[cyan tusk]

Imo penny and serena should stay separate

To let both team abuse double rebuffs

[main pulsar]

Idk why you’d put them together cuz penny does fairy rebuff rite

Seems like a waste

[outer whale]

Swap her with ssmina then?

But wait, no field effects

[main pulsar]

Who has no field effect

[cyan tusk]

Or with bede

[outer whale]

Penny

[forest ferry]

penny has no field

So it's the only place you'll run cerena

[outer whale]

Penny has no WTZ params

[forest ferry]

Every other place you abuse fields

[main pulsar]

Links Lyssandre has no fields either

[forest ferry]

Both elio and Marlon should be countered with fairy team and Valerie and Misty get rain team

[main pulsar]

So you can make the adjustment there

[forest ferry]

Bede set fairy zone

[outer whale]

Bede is literally fairy zone and sunny day

[main pulsar]

Ok but

Then why are you using lyssandre without rain

[outer whale]

Sunny day heat wave DPS

[main pulsar]

That’s wild

[outer whale]

Mid is weak to fire

Then use steam eruption for sides

[forest ferry]

Noway you are gridding sde9 heatwave

[outer whale]

1/5

[forest ferry]

Bricked

[outer whale]

Although i do have candies

[main pulsar]

Ain’t no way 1/5 heat wave hours

[outer whale]

My move levels.

[forest ferry]

well ontype heatwave beats out steam eruption after sides die

But yea
Actually killing sides before mid

[main pulsar]

Sides gonna take years to die though

[forest ferry]

That ain't happening in HS

[main pulsar]

Cuz heat wave lol

[outer whale]

Bede can take care of sides with sync

[main pulsar]

No it can happen just requires a spread move dps

[hollow prism]

Uh i just realized something

[main pulsar]

Like a really strong one

[hollow prism]

I can’t find a unit that buffs team crit

[main pulsar]

Wut

[hollow prism]

At least one I have

[forest ferry]

Lemme guess
You were coping for hornleech dps

[hollow prism]

My Sycamore Glojo core looks a lot worse now

[forest ferry]

[outer whale]

Oh god i just realized my dahlia team has no crit buffs

[forest ferry]

Just win that 50% chance everytime

[hollow prism]

Ok with Glojo Def drops and Sycamore self buffing atk that’s unironically not cope

☠️

glojo has nuke too

And sycamore just takes 0 dmg

[forest ferry]

Liquidation reset hell

elio is worst stage we gonna face in long time

Coz of liquidation and sparkling aria

[hollow prism]

I think elio’s going to be fine still

I still stand by Sycamore WIPING him

[forest ferry]

We literally have 3 mixed tanks and there's 2 mixed stages

Ssmina, SSblue and ssmisty

[main pulsar]

Who are our mixed tanks

O

I can’t believe ssmisty is our tank

That’s crazy

[forest ferry]

oh yea Smisty also special tank ig.......

[main pulsar]

Unless u mean psyduck

[forest ferry]

Yea it's not looking good

Both

So 4 ig

[main pulsar]

Evasion bros rise up

Kek

[outer whale]

Changed up my team.... this is gonna be wack af.

[forest ferry]

I think it's better to run physical tank vs Valerie and just reset

[outer whale]

Wait sht

[hollow prism]

I remember my first stage ever was Evasion gaming with Cerena on Marlon 🤡

I got 600-700 i think

Thought i was hot shit

[outer whale]

who is better for Team two, 2/5 SS Blue, or 5/5 Mistpsy?

[forest ferry]

Wait, Lemme confirm

[hollow prism]

I don’t have SSBlue

[forest ferry]

Draining kiss physical or special?

[hollow prism]

So i have no clue

Special

[outer whale]

SS blue has safety net

but Mistpsy has potions

[forest ferry]

yea
Valerie is mixed stage then

[hollow prism]

Nice ping Bicio

[cyan tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-togepi-metronome-happy-gif-7806996983134135191

[forest ferry]

Oh yea burghpi

[hollow prism]

The unit that got scammed of a rerun

🤡

[cyan tusk]

Burghepi has potions and we have hp left parameterrr

[forest ferry]

So burghpi and ssmina is used between Valerie and elio stage

[cyan tusk]

Btw last time cerena / SSMisty / Elio was on the 105K average

You’re telling me with Burghepi which is way better we cannot get 1K on Marlon?

I mean we have also Rolex lol

[forest ferry]

You can replace ssmisty by sycamore for more consistent score vs penny

[cyan tusk]

And hopefully more skill

[forest ferry]

And run an actual fairy team vs marlon

With abusing zone

[hollow prism]

Idk

[forest ferry]

Coz penny can't be zone/rain'd

[hollow prism]

I still think Cerena’s support cake will push her to 1k on Marlon

[paper mist]

oh wow they changed Misty's parameter

[hollow prism]

I don’t think that team needs to be changed

[forest ferry]

Just 1k marlon with fairy team

And 1k penny with cerena

Ez

[hollow prism]

I might do that bc i don’t have Penny for fairy rebuff

[paper mist]

she can be paralyzed now, making Archie's Thunder grid slightly less worse

[hollow prism]

But i think that’s suboptimal

[cyan tusk]

She can be slept and flinched too btw

[hollow prism]

I’m gonna have to do that bc Archie is rotting for me otherwise

But no Kris

🤢

[cyan tusk]

But most importantly she can be debuffed by eusine

[paper mist]

yeah, flinch, that's totally what I meant

[paper mist]

do you have lodge adaman?

[hollow prism]

Yes

[paper mist]

you could try archie + lodge adaman + may

[hollow prism]

But like

My move gauge is actually going to seppuku

[paper mist]

he can buff party speed

[hollow prism]

Trust me that ain’t mattering with Archie May

That team is top tier 🤡

[paper mist]

I didn't have gauge issues when I used them

[hollow prism]

They’re SO slow

[outer whale]

LMAO, I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING:

You can tell who is a rerun, because they smile. the ones actually focused are new battles.

[hollow prism]

😭

Surely coincidence

[paper mist]

Valerie is smiling tho

[hollow prism]

She’s just shy and hiding it behind her dress

[hardy fog]

Is Marlon only physical?

And misty only special?

[hollow prism]

On the archie may team tho, i believe that was my actual team for Water HS 1

[paper mist]

Penny doesn't look to bad? sure no rain but still

[hollow prism]

With Lodge adaman

And i couldn’t even get 300 str

[paper mist]

that was also my team for Misty

[hollow prism]

Archie just died sync 1

i think i got 275 and dipped

Granted i had shit gear

In fact i don’t think i used any

[paper mist]

is Elio made for Dahlia since she's not a Strike

we didn't have skill gear back then

[hollow prism]

Dahlia is another option

[hollow prism]

Yeah exactly

[outer whale]

p much

[paper mist]

and it feels like Valerie wants Penny more than the others

[outer whale]

Misty is technically for Archie
Marlon for...... Cerena tbh
Elio for Dahlia
Valerie for Lysandre/Bede
Penny for Dgloria

Bede can do spdef drops

[paper mist]

I don't have him sadly

[outer whale]

Reposting this

[paper mist]

LySSandre Heat Wave DPS coming in

[outer whale]

honestly, these rules won't matter too much aside from Penny's

[paper mist]

Penny's is mostly a blow to Water teams since you wouldn't want to use Fairy Zone against her

[outer whale]

reposting until BICIO'S post is pinned.

do not pin mine, pin Bicio's

Hmmst...

[cyan tusk]

I’ve hoarding candies and cake coins for this

Oh eusine ex role is coming in the last day of hse

[outer whale]

what's insane is that the only unit that would need my tach candy is SS Wally because he's 2/5

i am not candying Holiday siebold lmao

[cyan tusk]

It’s May 20, a Monday

proceed to take the day off from work

[outer whale]

Looks like SS Kris will be getting my support candy. endurance is huge.

[cyan tusk]

Nah it’s not endurance

It’s the mini potions this time trust me

[outer whale]

I mean.... Mini potion Master Healer is also huge

[cyan tusk]

The parameters, look at the parameters

[main pulsar]

I made a list of penny donts

[cyan tusk]

That’s why I’m trying to slot dojo Gloria anywhere

[forest ferry]

5/5 dahlia for -2 accuracy per turn

Vs misty

[outer whale]

huh..... Penny can confuse at 2/5

[cyan tusk]

5/5 dahila is like true whale moment btw

[main pulsar]

Dahlia archie vlyra ssmina sskriss may volo sswally and bede

I think those are the ones you definitely don’t do penny on

[cyan tusk]

What about tech Blastoise

[forest ferry]

5/5 dahlia can probably duo for 1k pts

And 3rd slot can be deadweight

Like egg mon

[main pulsar]

Ur wild

[cyan tusk]

Mmmh don’t over estimate her, the grid is expensive af

[cyan tusk]

Back in water hse we did use it lol

[main pulsar]

I know

[haughty haven]

Remember 1st hs we actually used egg mon bc of mc

[cyan tusk]

Conf+main char+rain

[haughty haven]

[main pulsar]

I used it back then too

[cyan tusk]

Tech gyarados was the real mvp

[main pulsar]

But we have evolved past that I think

[haughty haven]

Gya is a good one too with flinch and rain

[main pulsar]

Mostly because of Rolex if I’m being 100% honest

Also did ssblue get a rolex

[outer whale]

Today i learned, Champion Serena has two separate Sync node types.

2 for Water shuriken, 2 for brutal swing sync

[forest ferry]

Only 9 extra energy

And 5/5 dahlia can duo with Kriss for 1000 str

[haughty haven]

5/5

[main pulsar]

Only

[forest ferry]

Oh wait I forgot a muddy water tile

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

[main pulsar]

Xd

Just don’t run on a roll

Reset harder

[forest ferry]

Not even -8

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

Oh yea true

You can drop muddy water oar

And pick 2 sync tiles

[main pulsar]

But this isn’t a convo for any of us

None of us want 5/5 dahlia

[forest ferry]

I don't even have dahlia

[main pulsar]

Or will have

Me neither

[hardy fog]

That's so sad disarm for eusine is 5/5 lol

[main pulsar]

It’s like Steven

[haughty haven]

Me with 1/5 Eusine

[outer whale]

Ok, need last opinions.....

I have 1/5 Penny
1/5 SS Kris
2/5 SS Blue, and 1/5 Holi Erika...... just candy SS Kris?

[haughty haven]

[main pulsar]

What’s sserika doing there

[forest ferry]

sserika candying

[haughty haven]

Oh yeah, i dont have SS Blue

Hope he isn’t that big

[outer whale]

HOLIDAY

[main pulsar]

He’s not that good for this even tbh

[outer whale]

the Comfey

[main pulsar]

Oh right that unit exists

Who knows if she’s good

[outer whale]

my trainer in pasio, SAFETY NET

[forest ferry]

if she has confusion she has chance

[haughty haven]

Who is that ?

[forest ferry]

I don't even remember the kit

[main pulsar]

Ssblue is just bulky

[forest ferry]

All I know is it's worse than sycamore

[main pulsar]

He has nothing else

High score is pretty demanding

[worldly parcel]

Erika (Holiday 2020) & Comfey

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) Merry and Bright Dazzling Gleam: Power +25
(3) Merry and Bright Dazzling Gleam: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(1) Draining Kiss: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(1) Lei Up!: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(1) Vine Whip: Move Gauge Refresh 1 - Has a chance (20%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(1) X Regen All: MP Refresh 2 - Has a chance (30%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.

‎

(2) Draining Kiss: Master Healer 1 - Increases the amount of HP restored by the user's healing moves.
(2) Vine Whip: Move Gauge Refresh 1 - Has a chance (20%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(3) Lei Up!: Shared Fortune 2 - Raises one of the following stats of all allied sync pairs by 2 stat ranks at random when the user's move is successful: Attack, Defense, Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, Speed, accuracy, or evasiveness.
(3) Vine Whip: Move Gauge Refresh 1 - Has a chance (20%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(3) HP Advantage 5 - The larger the user's percentage of remaining HP, the more it powers up the user's moves.
(3) Healing Hand 2 - Has a chance (30%) of removing all status conditions from all allied sync pairs when the user's Pokémon uses a move.
(3) Impatient 1 - Has a chance (20%) of reducing the user's sync move countdown by one when it is hit by an attack move.
(3) Mad Strength 4 - Has a chance (50%) of raising the user's Attack by one stat rank when its attack move is successful.
(3) Safety Tether - Applies the Enduring effect to the user the first time its sync move is used each battle.
(3) Tighten Up 4 - Has a chance (50%) of raising the user's Sp. Def by one stat rank when it is hit by an attack move.

[main pulsar]

Oh look a tank

Yuge

[forest ferry]

ew
Shit TM

Nowonder

[main pulsar]

40% global health isn’t bad for back in the day

[haughty haven]

Look

Old passive

[main pulsar]

This unit is old as fuck

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

it dropped like a month before sycamore

And sycamore is amazing

[outer whale]

Oh right, i also have Spring Burgh 1/5

[forest ferry]

burgh look solid

[haughty haven]

She has MH

[outer whale]

so who do i candy? Spring burgh or SS Kris?

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

Penny probably want candy

[main pulsar]

Pog

[forest ferry]

1/5 penny is just scam

[main pulsar]

Master healer draining kids

Kiss

[outer whale]

2/5 Penny barely does anything

i only have one support candy

[haughty haven]

At 1/5 she still ok

[outer whale]

saving the omni andy for other purposes

[forest ferry]

2/5 penny can confuse

[hardy fog]

I wasn't happy with 2/5 ss kris

[outer whale]

already have Cerena to confuse

[forest ferry]

If you can't go 3/5, I doubt candying anyone is worth

[hardy fog]

I ended up getting 3/5

[forest ferry]

Why would you run penny with cerena

[hardy fog]

2/5 still had shit gauge

[outer whale]

because Penny stage is No WTZ

[paper mist]

Starting teams, though I know that I’m lacking Confusion in some of them

[forest ferry]

Just use penny in a fairy core with bede or smth

[outer whale]

can't

[forest ferry]

Coz all fairy except gladion could use that

Ah

[outer whale]

Penny also wants Spdef drops

[forest ferry]

Cerena already has spl def drops tho

[outer whale]

in rain

which you can't do

[main pulsar]

Bede no spdef drops?

[forest ferry]

You forgot her bmove

[outer whale]

[main pulsar]

Also yeah cerena doesn’t care

She’ll drop the spdef eventually

[forest ferry]

Bro forgot cerena entire kit

Well I doubt any 2/5 support is worth

[main pulsar]

It might not be as consistent as ncleaf but it’ll still get the job done for sure

[outer whale]

SS kris looks worth tbh

[main pulsar]

I don’t even run that tile usually

[forest ferry]

Oh staggering and MH on Kris

[outer whale]

Endurance/Mini potion Master Healer 1, and Flinch on Brine

yea...... that seems the most bang for one candy

[cyan tusk]

Mmmh count better

[main pulsar]

Also no cream?

[forest ferry]

we don't talk abt that

[main pulsar]

Not even in the discussion?

Like that’s my only fairy tank

[outer whale]

OK, FINAL ASK
Candy: SS Kris, or Spring Burgh?
Penny's 2/5 looks trash, and Holiday erika........ lol

[cyan tusk]

This will work well too

[outer whale]

spring burgh gets Potion refreshes

[cyan tusk]

What move level are they

[outer whale]

both 1/5

[forest ferry]

D9 tho

[forest ferry]

Does that thing even have EX?

I remember it can confuse and heal but.....

[main pulsar]

Oh maybe not

U rite

Joever

[cyan tusk]

There’s plenty of time to roll for good muddy water rolls

[haughty haven]

It can debuff for evasion hax

[cyan tusk]

As if her nuke was linked to acc debuffs

[haughty haven]

[outer whale]

[forest ferry]

maybe you can use ice cream with cerena

[hardy fog]

Who are the main attack debuffs this hs?

Ss wally
Cerena
Gladion
5/5 eusine

Anyone else? Who are the f2p options

[cyan tusk]

Sskris

[paper mist]

thoughts?

[paper mist]

Volo

[cyan tusk]

SSLysandre

[haughty haven]

Volo

[forest ferry]

It frees up cerena from gridding confusion

[haughty haven]

Big debuff too

[cyan tusk]

Diantha

[paper mist]

LySSandre can only debuff Attack but not Special Attack

[cyan tusk]

Penny

[paper mist]

Vyra Attack only as well with grid

[forest ferry]

pal dawn

[cyan tusk]

Yes but they can do their job if put on the right spot

[forest ferry]

lysandre is best counter for Valerie

[paper mist]

yeah, was saying in case they meant both offenses

Katherine can also debuff Attack

[hardy fog]

Fark Lysander is 5/5 as well

So it's a no for me

[paper mist]

Player Alchremie has Unfortuitous 9 if you wanna gamble with rng

[forest ferry]

okay, I am gonna run elio, cerena, MCcream

It look so brain-dead

Sycamore gonna go somewhere else

[outer whale]

welp

[cyan tusk]

Restart

[outer whale]

[cyan tusk]

This hse is gonna be instresting bc more types means more team building meaning more creativity all around

[paper mist]

yeah

Fire/Grass HSE would go crazy though super unlikely

[haughty haven]

• Debuff Atk: Eusine(5/5), V Lyra, L Rosa , Cerena, SS Lysandre(5/5), Bede, P Dawn, Kali , Katherine, Lillie, Mina, Penny (4/5), Alcremie, SS Wally, Bp Valerie, Volo
• Debuff SpA: Eusine(5/5), L Rosa , Cerena, Bede, Diantha, Kali , Lillie, L Lillie, S Marnie, Penny, Alcremie, Sycamore, P Serena, SS Gladion, SS Wally, Volo

[paper mist]

is Lillie Lodge or base for Attack debuff?

[haughty haven]

Both can

But base is random debuff

[paper mist]

ah

[cyan tusk]

Let me see a 1K clear in Elio with lodge Lillie petal blizzard spam

Let’s go Syca / dahila / Lodge Lillie on Elio for full grass spam

[haughty haven]

Random debuff: L Rosa, Cerena, Kali, Lillie, 4/5 Penny, Volo

[cyan tusk]

5/5 ssmina would be kinda expensive imo lol

[hardy fog]

I kinda need to candy penny dont I. 1/5 is just no good

[forest ferry]

I am psure that I ain't touching 1/5 penny

She's so bad

Maybe if I had lisia

[cyan tusk]

Well 2/5 has flabbergasted, sp def MPR and double revenge boost

Btw Burghepi+glojo+kris might be a good idea vs no WTZ penny tbf, not scoring much high bc of no debuffs but not bad at all

[desert elm]

DojoGloria is gonna beat Penny senseless.

[cyan tusk]

Max steelspike goes brrrr

[forest ferry]

I am very much certain that most people will still use NCleaf in this HS

Coz Valerie

[cyan tusk]

We have the number of hits

In the parameter

It’s a no for me

[forest ferry]

I might probably just shove NCred vs penny

Coz not enuff units

[paper mist]

if offtyping why not ncblue if not using leaf for debuffs?

I don't have Cerena so I'm afraid top 1k might not happen for me again

[forest ferry]

I have no NCblue or leaf

And NCleaf is better in HS anw

[candid cobalt]

Katherine too

[onyx crystal]

So if we don’t debuff offense, it’s certain death over 500 right?

I don’t want to move Mina to Elio because he’s weak to Grass for Sycamore!!

But I need mixed buffs on Elio

All this because I don’t have vLyra

[main pulsar]

Well basically all teams need debuffs at some point

And the barrier of death changes depending on units

Like I think dabbos psychic team that needed spatk debuffs lasted up til 700 ish but at 650 it didn’t need any

It was something like that

[candid cobalt]

Tentative teams for now

The 2 teams I’m really not sure on are Elio and Penny

[main pulsar]

Bp Valerie off type dps is wild

Also my lama is still 1/5 bruhjjj

[paper mist]

she has Iron Head

[candid cobalt]

Yup

If she didn’t have Iron Head I would use someone else

[paper mist]

and SEU

[main pulsar]

O

[sharp hedge]

bede looks really good for this hs

[candid cobalt]

Indeed

[sharp hedge]

never looked at his kit before

now i realized how good is his 1/5 kit is

[candid cobalt]

Basically aoe spatk and spdef debuffs

[sharp hedge]

3/5 is ideal for hs but 2/5 is good enough for budget

[candid cobalt]

Yeahh

3/5 is really nice

This is the grid I'm using on him at 3/5

Maximum debuffs hehe

[sharp hedge]

i will try to consider picking fuzzy strike but that works too

[candid cobalt]

It's too expensive imo cos it's surrounded by other expensive tiles

[sharp hedge]

his dps is pretty mid id rather take nuke than confusion synergy

field on him is huge buff for hs comp

his strong point will be debuff, max flare and nuke under fz

[outer whale]

SO, i'm not going to be going hard on this HSE UNTIL the last week of the event

[ornate turret]

Pin is updated, I had the images but have to wait for absol to post first and then I forgot about them

[sullen pier]

so with the new parameter on Misty and Marlon, are they harder than the last time?

[candid cobalt]

It's much better than last time imo

[hollow prism]

This entire HS looks much friendlier to us

Elio might be a problem but we're not making the mistake we did on Ramos, we know Aria is 3 use

[candid cobalt]

Surely Horn Leech comes in clutch

[hollow prism]

Yeah I think Sycamore Glojo's gonna go crazy there

everyone thinks i'm coping

[candid cobalt]

How about Glojo on Penny tho

[paper mist]

yeah Dojoria is best for Penny since she has decent Steel DPS and Max move

[sharp hedge]

we’ll probably going to have multiple comps this time around

[hollow prism]

nah it won't matter

her steel DPS probably still won't beat Surging strikes on Penny

[sharp hedge]

why not?

she has sde 2

surging strikes are mainly for debuff

and no weather is allowed

youll be using iron head for flinch too

also max steelspike

[candid cobalt]

Yeah

Especially in the case of the max move I don't think you'd opt for G Max Rapid Flow

Wait what's the super effective multiplier

[royal tiger]

Ohh my misty team is safef

okaay.

Gauge -2 on Marlon. doable.

Elio is no strikes allowed? interesting.

and Penny disallows weather

and zone? hum.

[sullen pier]

Max Double Down 3

she doesn't have any dps multiplier aside from Insult to Injury

oh wait i forgot Superduper Effective 2

[sharp hedge]

she has cakewalk but for dps multiplier i forgor the name

i assume this is the grid youd probably run her with for hs

can always opt for iron head mgr if youre willing to spent +6e

[royal tiger]

is it me or discord lagging like a lot lol

[candid cobalt]

Oh no I meant like super effective attacks vs regular attacks

Super effective attacks do twice as much damage as regular attacks or something iirc

Or was it 50%

I forgor

[royal tiger]

this should do it 😦

[candid cobalt]

What's May doing against Penny?

It might be better to have someone who confuses on that team

[royal tiger]

confuse huh

[sharp hedge]

confuse is free 1k

may cant use rain on penny as well

[royal tiger]

hmm main and rivals huh

that should ddo it i suppose.

[candid cobalt]

Sheesh the triple master fair on Misty

[hollow prism]

That Misty team is overkill city my guy

Bro put the #1 and #2 units on the same team

[royal tiger]

the one battle where i'm aiming for 1k strength .-./

The left side needs to be brought down extremely fast :x

[hollow prism]

Cerena alone can probably get 1k

She’s probably in the top 5 best units in the game

Remember that Leaf team in Fire HS that used Evelyn and base Serena? Leaf is about equal to her in strength

[royal tiger]

hrm

[hardy fog]

Wanted to ask again. Misty is special. Marlon is physical yea?

[sullen pier]

the pins have the infographic, you can check it out

[hardy fog]

I did but it is not obvious I'm guessing from their moves but not enough experience

Also be interested to know if the sync is physical or special

[sullen pier]

the stage is mixed

Marlon's sync is the same as playable pair's, so physical

[onyx crystal]

Misty is all special.
Marlon is mostly physical, only the sides deal special damage with weak moves pre-sync. And strong moves post-sync.

[ornate turret]

also impact = physical, beam = special

generic ass sync move

[onyx crystal]

Why are Elio, Valerie, and Penny all mixed.

I hate this.

[sullen pier]

They bring mixed feelings

[onyx crystal]

Sycamore doesn't buff def, so idk if I should even consider him for Marlon or Elio despite the grass weakness.

[hollow prism]

Why does Elio bring mixed feelings

He’s an alola protag he feels nothing

[sullen pier]

true

[sullen pier]

now that you mentioned it, i need to reconsider it as well

[haughty haven]

He doesn’t have any alt when compared to other Alola protag

[hardy fog]

I'm going to try make a table of who has what buffs and what debuffs tonight because I'm confusing myself

[sullen pier]

yeah Lillie has more alts than him

[onyx crystal]

It feels like I should shove Sycamore against vsMisty... but idt ssKris can move from there.

[haughty haven]

Yes, Lillie best Alola protag

[sullen pier]

Kris can buff def too, she might be more useful on Penny and Valerie

[haughty haven]

Her Def buff is random so that isn’t fun

[hollow prism]

As she should,

[onyx crystal]

what def buff

[hollow prism]

Lillie best

[haughty haven]

Team Stotic

50% if i remember correctly

[onyx crystal]

oh right

[sullen pier]

it's only on Brine

[haughty haven]

Well we will use her flinch this time

Before that we couldn’t bc Misty immune to it

And Misty was her best stage before

[onyx crystal]

fishing for stoic4 sounds like hell :3

not enough

[haughty haven]

40% for flinch, 50% for Def buff, 40% for mini Pot mpr

[hardy fog]

Wdym I thought the HS crew love rng

[haughty haven]

Oh wait, it isn’t 40% for flinch, it is fk 30%

[onyx crystal]

its 30

[royal tiger]

oh wait a sec. dojo gloria gets sup exr hrm

[sharp hedge]

dont have to fish if you dont have her

[haughty haven]

This is my plan rn

[hardy fog]

What about burgh

[haughty haven]

1/5 Burgh

I wont try hard this time

My gear just bad rn

[onyx crystal]

I don’t want to move Gladion from Stage 4 or 5

The s.atk debuffs make sense there

[desert elm]

I think this should be nice to beat the stuffing out of Penny.

[cyan tusk]

Let’s see what have I lost tonight

[cyan tusk]

You can always run double support

Syca+ Elio for survivability
Syca + Marlon for def buff
Syca + Burghepi

[cyan tusk]

You can drop endurance for ice guard imo

Ice guard as ls so endurance isn’t needed

[cyan tusk]

Just wanna say do keep in mind penny has mind games 9 so a special dps might be worth considering

[cyan tusk]

Alright done imma go back and cook my cakes 🍰

[sullen pier]

smh you don't have 2/5 Burgh like me?

[forest ferry]

which triple banner is worth gambling from HS perspective in general?

[cyan tusk]

Well…. That’s a rough question my friend tbh

[sharp hedge]

bede/wally banner more value

esp bede

[forest ferry]

Not current HS

I am asking overall

[sharp hedge]

oh

[cyan tusk]

Oh

1. Striker
2. Support
3. Tech

[forest ferry]

I know current HS wise Wally is best one even if it's duo

[sharp hedge]

imo bede is the best one for this hs

hes locked for valerie

[cyan tusk]

It depends on the move levels we are talking about

[forest ferry]

isn't Valerie fairy sync

Just run water comp

[cyan tusk]

5/5 stuff eusine and Lysandre are above the rest

3/5 is sswally

And glojo

[sharp hedge]

1/5 bede is value if you can cake him

[forest ferry]

[sharp hedge]

i 100% believe he’ll be the bis for valerie

[cyan tusk]

Bede is locked by the fact he has a multiplier based on super effectiveness that can be used only against Valerie with fire dynamax

[forest ferry]

5/5 lyss has spl def drops so it's gonna be rain team there

[sharp hedge]

bede has spdef drops at base

[cyan tusk]

Great overall debuff but meme dps so you wanna run him with a special striker

Like a Diantha or a ssgladion

[sharp hedge]

also he has access to part of his nuke even 1/5

grid only gives him extra fuzzy strike 5

id say hes more value than ss wally specificly just for this hs alone

[forest ferry]

Wally drop both offenses

And we have 3 mixed damage stages ( incl. Marlon )

[cyan tusk]

Wally has rebuff, he’s winning for that

[forest ferry]

fairy getting more than 1 comp itself will be surprising
Coz water is just simply too good

[sharp hedge]

where would you slot wally actually

[cyan tusk]

Water is simply overall to good*

[sharp hedge]

maybe elio?

[cyan tusk]

But fairy has some huge units (sycamore/sswally/penny/ssgladion) that can stand themself against all water types

The rest is kinda meme or niche while overall water has more pairs, but having to pick the 15 best units means we will end up using half and half

[forest ferry]

Misty : SSkris, dahlia, eusine
Marlon : sswally, SSblue, gladion
Elio : bede, penny, palrena
Valerie : lysandre, vyra , SSmina
Penny : cerena , sycamore, dojo

Smth like this is what I am expecting and bede even has chance to be replaced by volo coz volo drop offenses

[sharp hedge]

you know bede drops spa too right

[forest ferry]

Yea but volo give 30% extra nuke

And circle on top

[cyan tusk]

SSBlue in rain has refreshing rain

[sharp hedge]

theres simply too many unit this time around but bede will be priority for that stage

sub is another topic though

[cyan tusk]

Penny drops sp atk and def too btw

[sharp hedge]

penny i feel like youll be using her on penny herself

penny gladion + x

[cyan tusk]

You can use either her or cerena tbf

[forest ferry]

you run cerena vs penny coz every other stage you can abuse zone/rain

[cyan tusk]

It’s double rebuff gaming either water or fairy

[sharp hedge]

im locking cerena on marlon probably

[cyan tusk]

Giving Valerie fairy zone? You sure?

[forest ferry]

you don't grid refresh on sync

So it doesn't stay long

[sharp hedge]

i do think ss mina will be use in valerie stage yeah

but we’ll see

[forest ferry]

iirc she uses draining kiss

So the stage need mixed tank

You can replace Mina for burphpi maybe but vyra also want rain