High Score

[sullen pier]

Which egg Alakazam

[outer whale]

Yes. the one with Light screen

[forest ferry]

Yea LG is just entirely different planet

I am just an alien

[hollow prism]

LG players are a different level of masochistic

[forest ferry]

Wait, they are the aliens coz the argument was in this chat

[outer whale]

listen, I already got the cheevo for 100 wins.

never doing it again.

[hollow prism]

I’ve gotten 50

[forest ferry]

I peaked at 51 streak in first LG

[haughty haven]

I got 190

[forest ferry]

And never broke 10

[hollow prism]

WHAT THE FUCK

[forest ferry]

After that

[hollow prism]

pykuo chill

[outer whale]

@haughty haven smh, could have been 200.

[hollow prism]

😭

[outer whale]

fake LG player

Jk ❤️

[haughty haven]

That is my 1st serious Lg climbing

And i still dont do 2nd yet

[signal needle]

Im thinking Oak vs Espeon egg whos bettter for here

[outer whale]

but anyways, Idk if this Psychic HSE will have dual types.

[signal needle]

[haughty haven]

Oak, debuff always good

He can tank too

[forest ferry]

When you are so broke that you have to use egg terrain for psychic of all things

[haughty haven]

So sad there aren’t any mid that weak to Fire/Electric/Ice Yes i know bc of NC Kanto Trio

[forest ferry]

They didn't even give ice weak mid for grass HS

I still did 600+ str with a fairly budget team with red tho

So they'll still be nice budget alternatives

[outer whale]

The team i'm thinking so far
Sabrina: Bianca | Elispeon | SS Steven (unga bunga)
Lucian: Sabrina | Lucian | Tapu Lana (Debuff attack and ungabunga)
Caitlin: MCseprit | Nglyph | Mewtwo (Sleep chaining)
Will: NC Bede | Mew | Lear (Snatch strats + unfortuitous debuffing)
Liza: NC Rosa | SSDawn |SS Lusamine (Sync Acceleration strats)

Thoughts?

[hollow prism]

Lear being on Will and me needing a strong damage dealer off type to replace him is not appreciated

Also i like how we’re already putting SSDawn with a second support

Which i think we’ll need to do

[outer whale]

SS Dawn is actually there for Crisis Countdown

[hollow prism]

Oh wow

[outer whale]

Sync racing Liza as well as sleep stall

[hollow prism]

You really want to flip Liza off huh

[outer whale]

that's the plan, it's why i have Lusamine on Liza

[outer whale]

@mortal timber @chilly flame to give you an idea of what i'm going with.

[frank shore]

So… without Lear, LuSSamine, Lodge N, NC Bede.. will i have a terrible time getting into top 1000? 😭

[chilly flame]

I think I’d swap SS Dawn with Bianca

But that’s just cuz I don’t like using LuSSa outside of terrain

[hollow prism]

Without the first 3, no

[outer whale]

Liza has -3 Sync countdown and her sync is Psychic.

[hollow prism]

Without Bede? Yeah absolutely

Maybe you could manage but that’s a bad unit to not have

[chilly flame]

Oh I forgot Liza had psychic sync

[hollow prism]

You can still work around it

Set terrain immediately after sync, then sleep the living shit out of her

[frank shore]

Yea.. just started last anni on Kantrio 😭

Also no mewtwo Y. Whyyy

[oak fulcrum]

Wait, does Giovanni not mega without powerboost??

[frank shore]

Yea.. if i recall correctly

[outer whale]

correct.

He needs the powerboost to Mega

[oak fulcrum]

Hm, it’s been so long since mine didn’t have powerboost that I forgot that was the case

[hollow prism]

Oh i see

Idk if i have boost

When was the last time you could get it?

[forest ferry]

Blaaand doesn't have PB gio iirc

They been doing all HS iirc

Very much forgotten by devs

[oak fulcrum]

looks like last March was the last time

[outer whale]

I just want to let you all know that on the Grading sheet.
Everyone is free to discuss about the unit's Grade. The Gradings are not set in stone and are able to be changed.

I just want to make this transparent.

[haughty haven]

Uhhhh 3/27/2023

[hollow prism]

Oh that’s not that bad, i probably got it then

[frank shore]

Master Pykuo, i will be looking at your guidance again this HSE

[forest ferry]

Non PB gio should be seperate tier if it's not already

Mans not available for a year

Literally different unit

[outer whale]

I wouldn't say a COMPLETELY different unit persay? Stats yes absolutely, however the sync grid and move you would want to use with him is more or less the same (Shadow Ball)

[forest ferry]

He doesn't have ex either

You wouldn't even sync with the poor man

And mega sync stats is pretty noticable boost since he's carried by that 600ish spl atk

[frank shore]

😭

[forest ferry]

I don't want new players getting confused with the TL placing him in a decent spot without factoring that

[outer whale]

Currently Working on it.

[forest ferry]

I am also curious to why Caitlin is placed low
Since she can tank for budget and be a dps depending on roster

Psychic is also not that tight on gauge to not worry abt spf that much

And she self buffs crit post buff....and every psy support is a good spl atk buffer even liza

[outer whale]

The main concern is how fast can she buff those stats. Her TM is only +1 Def/Spdef per Refresh. I valued her solely on tanking.

[outer whale]

Also, the reason why she's lower on Lucian isn't because of Gauge issues, but because of Sync Power Flux

[forest ferry]

Well I don't have issue with -2 gauge stage

She's definitely workable in other 2

[outer whale]

it's moreso damage output than issues.

[forest ferry]

The -2 should be D if anything

Coz literally dead weight unless support and the stage is kind of Lucian favored anyways

[outer whale]

which she was until you mentioned she was too low

[forest ferry]

I mean B tier

I'd legit use her over a non PB gio

She's also fairly bulky so she can actually live through syncs unlike gio at higher strength

[outer whale]

this is her rn. Gio has the advantage of Super Effectiveness, and 100 more special attack with PB, Non PB gives him the same ranking as her on non SE stages.

Let me know if there's any other units that seem kinda and give me the reasoning please.

[mortal timber]

Sorry was swimming, Imma read later

[hardy fog]

Thinking of changing strat and see if I can get all the pairs for dark lol. Looks possible or not? It's just nc marnie it seems like... most others are attainable.

[hollow prism]

I DO HAVE HIM

Oh boy

Also wtf is that Sp Atk stat

Calm down there buddy

[chilly kayak]

rookie numbers

[forest ferry]

Maxing 1 type for top 10 strat won't work

2nd type might mess you over

If you are just trying to get em all, archer and Vselene might be challenging due to being variety

Others are more workable

If you don't got 3/5 mix rex, ig try your luck

[crude iron]

typemax won't work anymore due to what they announced

[outer whale]

we just need to know IF Psychic HSE has a dual type or not, and if so, WHAT is it?

So far, it seems like it's monotype this time around

[crude iron]

if it was multitype, we'd know by now from datamine

they prob announced it cause whatever theyll announce at end of this one is prob gonna be 2-type

so theyre just giving us heads up in advance, i think

if psychic was to be multitype i legit think theyd have announced it a couple months ago anyways

[shy flower]

I really hope the next one isn't the best chance I have at the top is mono Ghost

[forest ferry]

this is a lifesaver or a curse depending on what they mix up for me

coz I always miss 1 unit to be top tier comp for every type

Except maybe dragon

Coz top dragon hasn't changed in 2 years

[crude iron]

honestly i feel like im in the drivers seat with dragon type now that ive been given

[hardy fog]

I missed the memo what did they announce?

[crude iron]

dual types for future hses

iirc was in devletter or something like that

[haughty haven]

Dont listen to me lol

[hardy fog]

I see it

It looks like it's confirmed it's just psychic this time

Hmm dual typing would be interesting. The rich will be even richer and more powerful 😂

[hollow prism]

Not exactly

2 types means we have too many exclusives per HS so a few can easily be missed

For someone like me who generally avoids units that are weak, this is really good for my roster

[crude iron]

its gonna be nice for me cause i tend to avoid overloading in one type usually barring top favs

[hardy fog]

Bicio still wins

[frank shore]

But following some of your battles, including trying 1000 pts, nets me my #255 rank 😆

[hardy fog]

He only said don't listen. But be sure to watch and learn.

[crude iron]

tbh the dual types means some of the worse types still might have a chance at seeing 1k fights full ontype

depending on the combos

[bold pond]

This is enough for this right?

I have stuff like all but Steven master fairs too...so I have off type options if needed.

[crude iron]

my psychics not looking too pretty but its least good enough for 180k... unless liza has something to say about it...

i can cake steven by the end of the event i think

not sure about if may would get cake in time or not to use here

[bold pond]

Yeah that's all I want is to just get 180k

[crude iron]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

basically me regarding the -3 sync cd enemy rule

[hardy fog]

You will be fine

[hollow prism]

Guys someone stop me from 4/5ing Geeta

This grid looks disgusting

[hardy fog]

Then you should definitely 4/5

Gogogogo

[hollow prism]

[cyan tusk]

Just one +25 isn’t’ worth 80K

You can live with this wonderful grid

[hardy fog]

I had to double check what you are proposing.

Of all people, Bicio is telling you not to spend

[cyan tusk]

Those grids are expensive

and you got me in a moment of joy bc Geeta came home in 3 multies

[hardy fog]

The pull rate on Geeta seems insane

Never seen so many good pulls in flex channel

[main pulsar]

Your funny

[hardy fog]

I wish you silver in 2

https://tenor.com/view/praying-pray-snoop-dogg-begging-please-gif-12502205

[hollow prism]

Yo same for me

[hollow prism]

Yeah even without the second sync tile this grid is not balanced AT ALL

[cyan tusk]

I hope that’s the plus they wanna give sprint and field mf

Bc otherwise they’ll keep stay underwhelming imo

[cyan tusk]

I can pity Champion silver with free gems now

[hollow prism]

I can’t on release day

But i have 27k going into it so i will eventually

[hardy fog]

I wish you and you and you and you and you. Silver in 2!

[cyan tusk]

Me neither I’m considering all the data gems

[cyan tusk]

Thx

[haughty haven]

You guy save enough gem to pity ?

[shy flower]

It's a lot easier to do if you don't yolo every banner Pykuo

[haughty haven]

But but

[shy flower]

[hardy fog]

he yolo's then when he needs more he pulls out his servant's credit card

[haughty haven]

I only do daily with my credit card

Unless Spheal coming

[sullen pier]

[cyan tusk]

We do not save, we count data gems and we splurge all of them on 1 banner till we get the unit

[hardy fog]

there are some cool units this month. It's quite a lot to take in

[cyan tusk]

Well zoroark literally claims the crown as best ghost damage dealer, together with SSRCynthia with ex role is a glow up for the ghost type

You can fit in FAllister for a double rebuff too

[hardy fog]

yall walking advertisements for Dena

[cyan tusk]

Allow me to start speaking of ludicolo and you’ll change your mind

[hardy fog]

take my credit card

[cyan tusk]

Running away from a 2020 pf

[hardy fog]

I might need to go hang out at resource saving channel soon and start talking about my fave and save for 200k

[hollow prism]

I can’t tell if you’re praising or dunking on Ludi lol

[hardy fog]

yea I was ready to pay but now you are telling me its a 2020 pf

[forest ferry]

tbf
Feb was dead

This month only has 4 pairs

I'd take that over whatever we got for 4th anni

[hollow prism]

This Half anni is kinda booty tbh

[forest ferry]

[hollow prism]

Yeah but like

[forest ferry]

Rate ups fixed their shitty typings except rock

[hollow prism]

Do we actually WANT less pairs for HALF ANNI? like come on

[forest ferry]

Sounds like a you problem

I am so broke that I'd actually be happy with 1

[hollow prism]

if you didn’t save for half anni that’s a you issue, tf did you expect

[forest ferry]

The entire patch was MFfest

We got 4 MF rerun

The patch before was another 4

And deoxys

[hollow prism]

Aether Family was complete bait

[cyan tusk]

Half anni for me was good bc of more energy via grid but they are expensive af

[forest ferry]

Gladion wasn't

[cyan tusk]

Oh and the lucky skill slots

[hollow prism]

It takes a lot for me to say that as a major Lillie fan

[forest ferry]

Gladion is actually better than most of what we got this patch

[hollow prism]

Well he’s a mf

And idk where he ranks compared to Geeta and Silver

[forest ferry]

If you think powerlevel was the problem I completely agree tho

MFs are not like as good for half anni

But banner count was totally fine

[hollow prism]

I’m also not a fan of the pairs tbh

[forest ferry]

With the amount of reruns we get shoved in

[haughty haven]

This, i didn't think there will be the day that I exchange Rally for Orb

[hollow prism]

Like i’m happy it’s a gen i don’t care about

NCalola is still on the table for later

But Geeta has no reason to be taking up MF real estate

[forest ferry]

Leon did

It's the same shit

Even got the flagbearer instead of pride

[hollow prism]

Yeah Leon is not MF material

[forest ferry]

Seems like they want champions to have atleast 1 MF with flagbearer

[hollow prism]

I’m sick of debut units being MF

[haughty haven]

Alola MC

[hollow prism]

Adaman and Irida being in Lodge was even more trash

[forest ferry]

Geeta lodge so you are forced to roll just to not see a lock sign

I mean
Atleast her kit is good, albeit not as Roxie level

Not fucked up like leon

[hollow prism]

We had 4 3 busted MF pairs for Fire HS: Leaf, Anni N, Leon and Lodge Irida

[forest ferry]

Literally peepo kit

[hardy fog]

I guess Ludicolo is a May and Kyogre combined.

[hollow prism]

I said this in general before but i think Dahlia is just a budget Adaman or Cerena depending on which team you need it for

[forest ferry]

Ludicolo is so obscenely strong

[hollow prism]

And then Ropalme dragged me into a 15 min argument over why her sync being AOE makes her a completely different unit

Which it doesn’t

[forest ferry]

I mean
Aoe sync is more unga bunga

The playstyle is definitely different

[hollow prism]

She’s busted for 2 types that already have their busted units

[hardy fog]

🥱 another tech

[hollow prism]

And also no HS for water or grass

[forest ferry]

I personally think she should have been grass instead of water........

Water is overloaded

[hardy fog]

and we have already had those HS, seems pointless to me lol

[forest ferry]

I mean
We did get sspiers

[hollow prism]

She’s even more overshadowed in Grass because Adaman actually has 2 AOE rebuff, so he just COMPLETELY outclasses her

Yeah that’s my issue, insane unit with no potential in end game

[forest ferry]

Wait she set terrain no?

I thought she did

[hollow prism]

Yeah that’s her one big differentiator

[forest ferry]

Yea
So mixred replacement for poor people

Coz bulu is mid as hell in stages with big spl hits

[hollow prism]

Yeah but her entire kit is just “[insert broken pair here] replacement”

[hardy fog]

it is nice to have exended rain, I dont think anyone have that cept Kyogre?

[forest ferry]

Water is pretty unique

Cerena is so debuffy and disrupty that you'd not even run rain with her often cases

[hollow prism]

Dahlia also does similar stuff

[forest ferry]

Like HS cerena comp is just 2 tanks and she flinches and debuffs forever

[hollow prism]

She doesn’t nuke because of it as much though

[forest ferry]

And cerena tends to do same shit even in UBs

[hollow prism]

But she does get to -6 sp def just as well

Cerena is just

[forest ferry]

I think muddy water is the biggest brick

It should have been 4 bar moves

[hollow prism]

I think her kit’s idea is doomed from the beginning

[forest ferry]

She's like in a spot where water just forgets her existence

And she doesn't have grass theme skills

[hollow prism]

Grass would also forget her tbh

[forest ferry]

So while running her is fine she's still a downgrade to Mixrer

[hollow prism]

She’s just a F2P replacement for those units

[forest ferry]

Well I think she's still okay to slot if you want to run NCblue for support in hard content

Coz mixred is literal p2w

[hollow prism]

She’ll destroy CS in the hands of players that don’t have busted boxes

But endgame players are just going to yawn

[hardy fog]

its fair call, CS is a big player base

[forest ferry]

Bruh
When was the last time we got a unit that's actually mid in CS?.....

Everyone destroys CS

People without busted boxes can do better

[hardy fog]

nah but I mean the utility in CS

[forest ferry]

Tf do you mean utility

[hollow prism]

This is a shit analogy but Dahlia is going to become this game’s Mega Knight

[hardy fog]

Like Rose was huge for me early days

[forest ferry]

Geeta is in same patch

Geeta is the best CS unit they dropped this year

[hardy fog]

Rose was a free clear before 2nd sync, makes my week much easier 😂

[forest ferry]

Zone+220 BP big selfbuff screen shot move

She solo's 4K CS

If your roster suk, just roll her

not fucking ludicolo

[hardy fog]

I think Ill roll Tyranitar and daily Irida

thats about me

[forest ferry]

Ttar is nice but it's sad silver doesn't fix anything for rock.....rock wants rebuff and supports

[hardy fog]

and daily Lussa

[ornate turret]

also the best villa unit just spam and delete everything

[forest ferry]

Dps is already like there's quite some decent options around

She can refresh her bmove?

[hardy fog]

I think Ttar is just nostalgic

like finally some real dmg

when I started this game, like wtf Brock Ttar

[forest ferry]

I already have 3/5 classic blue so

[hardy fog]

felt like a insult

[forest ferry]

And I like aerodactyl more anyways

Been carrying my ass for almost 3 years already

[hardy fog]

it needed a dark move imo

just doesnt feel right

[forest ferry]

Yea
Ttar is known for its crunch and pursuit

[hardy fog]

aero is nice, never a fan

[forest ferry]

Not stone miss

too bad they release a good TTar after it dropped from OU after like 2 decades

[hardy fog]

lol

[true sparrow]

What's happening here

[hardy fog]

we are... discussing units for next HSE

[cyan tusk]

We chillin

[hardy fog]

@outer whale You little beauty you. How thoughtful.

I guess I will use my non-ex on Lucian then 😂

[forest ferry]

I had to ask for em to seperate

Coz gio without PB is just dps that can't tank high strength

[true sparrow]

I wouldn't considering Giovanni S anywhere, his bulk is way too low for that

He cannot tank regardless

[forest ferry]

Well the nuke is there atleast

But yea
Not a S material

I did mention I'd even run Caitlin over gio if it's high str

[hardy fog]

where you putting velio

sabrina?

[forest ferry]

I want to pair velio with lana

Coz Velio has no dps

Lana has no sync

So it's the closest thing to perfect combo

no idea if it's overkill or not tho

[hardy fog]

why is sabrina not good for Will if he is all special

[forest ferry]

Velio has atk down

So perfect Lucian counter as well

Sabrina has no self buffs

[hardy fog]

I see

[forest ferry]

Her only defensive tool is reflect and heal

And her physical bulk is ass....so she's okay in double support but ass herself

Might be good with Liza if you lack any of limited tank

And dps being smth self sufficient at best only demanding crit

[hardy fog]

I just made my first draft purely on grading 😂 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D6k-97u-zzxkbyDY9rurnuVX_j5GYpMc9ctaNWfEkaI/edit?usp=sharing

just dont know who to use on will

[true sparrow]

Well the main unit that can go against will is Rosa

[forest ferry]

I know anni may is core for sabrina and Velio for lucian

[hardy fog]

Will actually looks like a good utility unit

[true sparrow]

He is

[forest ferry]

Will got flinch and shy confusion

There's also lodge N with quad sleep

Psychic got some good utility for budget

[hardy fog]

Will's competition for me is... Oak, Liza.

So seems infinitely better

[true sparrow]

Oak is a good filler if you're missing a unit

[hardy fog]

prob wont be better than 1/5 Olympia Ig

[true sparrow]

He's a debuffer

[forest ferry]

Olympia at 1/5 can still evasion tank

[hardy fog]

Sabrina seems ok on velio sslana team since they dont need buffs

[forest ferry]

If you are going that route

[hardy fog]

and she can buff herself

what do you think

[true sparrow]

Against who

[true sparrow]

Yeah that's fine if you're using elio to debuff atk

[hardy fog]

hmm that Will team looks overkill

maybe I move Caitlin and SS Steven around

[mortal timber]

That Steven streak

Jesus Christ

Totally a fair and balanced unit, don't we all agree?

[true sparrow]

I would really focus in debuffing Liza's sp.atk

[mortal timber]

Oh yeah true forgot, time to double candy Anni may

[hardy fog]

yeap so Steven would be great there

[mortal timber]

I don't think I will give her field for now

Surely sprint at cress, 100%

Field there may be some conflicts if their sync is psychic too

[hardy fog]

I think I have 370K ish atm

it would be nice to replace Caitlin with Mum...

[hardy fog]

O gg Sabrina can't go lucian can she

If you do like Sabrina/liza combo with synchro heals/tm heals and max sp def. Seems like a good defensive core? For 1st or last stage

Maybe like a budget comp. Sabrina liza ss steven vs Liza.

[forest ferry]

My preliminary comps and gears

Literal bricked roster

[hardy fog]

Lol all those Evasion hax

I like my ss steven liza Sabrina comp at the moment 😂

I feel like it's a winner

Gio need stats to survive so I'm throwing it with dawn

[forest ferry]

I think ssdawn is more useful than deoxys for me

But ssdawn is still 1/5 so

Even I am not using gio

You have better roster

[hardy fog]

If you get deoxys you can still run him with cake as tank

[forest ferry]

Why are you even bothering with non ex

[hardy fog]

Better than ss dawn 1/5 for sure

Lol

[forest ferry]

Fair point

[hardy fog]

Just for shadow ball dps. Lucian is too lonely

[forest ferry]

Hmmm, Lemme try 6 multi
Brb

Nvm
Still bricked

I'll just go with what I have

[hardy fog]

you will get steven soon I'm sure

[forest ferry]

I want irida tho

[true sparrow]

I don't think focusing on disrupting Liza is the way to go

[forest ferry]

Defense Steven actually makes it ez

I am only running disruption on Liza coz I have nothing else

Ideally I'd run big damage

[hardy fog]

gg my first comp has no crit

wth most of these tanks dont have crit

[forest ferry]

My first comp is 3 turn setup

[hardy fog]

N has crit but such a waste if Bianca has no crit

[forest ferry]

Wait
Only my Lucian and Liza team are 2 turn setup
Rest all are 3 turn

[hardy fog]

velio and sslana is over resourcing

crit seems rare in this type

actually so which units has crit... let me see

[forest ferry]

Velio wants extension so it's kind of no other choice situation

Lana also wants big nuker

And that stage is physical

you just make up with running your worst tank

[hardy fog]

team crit - velio, sabrina, ncrosa, ncbede

I have 3 of those

[forest ferry]

Caitlin is +4 +3 in 2 turns

Doa is +6 +3

Where you lacking crit buff

everyone self buffs crit

It's psychic

[hardy fog]

lucian

[forest ferry]

[hardy fog]

o

LOL

[true sparrow]

I think your Sabrina team lacks dmg

[hardy fog]

dam who can I move there

1/5 Olympia

lol

hmm can only see Olympia going there

if lucian or velio go there, they are not being utilize for debuff

[cunning shore]

All them pulls yet still 1/5
Sigh
Unlucky anni for me

[hardy fog]

You too?

[forest ferry]

1/5 Olympia gang 🤝

[outer whale]

Will fix then.

[cunning shore]

I mean just S- them all as good gear and some bulky support might fix him

I remember how a gear fixed Ho-oH 1000 str clear

[forest ferry]

legit curious what bulky unit will let him tank a sync

[cunning shore]

Probably sabrina or something

[forest ferry]

that's also anni N

[cunning shore]

Holiday Sabrina

Holy

[forest ferry]

Sabrina has stat down?

[cunning shore]

Stat up

[forest ferry]

Uhhhh

he ain't tanking even with +6

[cunning shore]

He will need the defenses before the debuffs lmfao

I mean both needed

[forest ferry]

It's a shame caitlin isn't physical sync

[cunning shore]

Is there any physical sync other than Lana and Tate?

[forest ferry]

Otherwise you can rely on Lucian atk down for tanking sync

[cunning shore]

Oh you mean

The stage

[forest ferry]

Only physical sync stage is Lucian

And there's no way you'd run gio+Lucian combo

Coz stage is fighting sync

[cunning shore]

Lucian to counter lucian

[forest ferry]

I think Lucian+lana duo is excellent for that stage

But Velio is likely better than Lucian

[cunning shore]

I would not use Lucian with any physical hitter tbh

[forest ferry]

Since he rly wanted the extension

Yea but atk down

[cunning shore]

Imma take advantage of that sp.def debuff

[forest ferry]

And he actually nukes mid

Lana can dps

[outer whale]

My biggest reasoning for the S was because neither caitlin or Lucian have AOE moves until Mid is defeated. If you can patch Gio's defenses with a support which isn't hard, he can survive easily.

[cunning shore]

That's also part of why I am saying, S- works if you got the buffs and Gear

If Silver could survive
No reason Gio won't get some lucky insane gear

[outer whale]

Caitlin is S- specifically because Team pinpoint entry ruins his evasion gimmick

[forest ferry]

You can probably run deoxys and M2 together for Caitlin

Or anni may+ gio for sabrina

Other stages are no go for gio

Due to lack of atk/spl atk down

he doesn't have to evade Caitlin

It's probably his best stage

[cunning shore]

Naaaah Deoxys will take a special stage just for him

[forest ferry]

Just dps the shit Outta it after deoxys debuffs and nukes

[outer whale]

It's not for caitlin herself, it's to avoid the AOEs in late game unless sync can KO sides.

[cunning shore]

Man I am talking about how I would plan but I ain't planning shit yet

[forest ferry]

Hmmm
Sabrina : Anni may + ??
Lucian : Velio+sslana
Caitlin: Deoxys+gio
Will: Lear+ ??
Liza: Lussa+lucian

What I am considering for top comp

?? Is just dps like Olympia or Caitlin or smth

[outer whale]

@hardy fog this is my plan so far if this helps.

[cunning shore]

2 terrains in a single stage thooooo

[forest ferry]

Elio has atk down

[outer whale]

You can't use terrain on will, Liza and Caitlin can abuse it easily. Not worth PT.

[forest ferry]

Not using him vs Lucian is such a waste

Unless sabrina has status or smth

[cunning shore]

Lucian vs Lucian

Problem solved

[outer whale]

Sabrina doesn't use PT to her advantage, Lucian himself can lower attack as well.

If anything, it's better to have elio on Sabrina because the -2 gauge rule

[cunning shore]

I guess this will be my hardest top 100 yet

Missing some great units

[outer whale]

Sabrina has reflect which..... at least is helpful ig

[cunning shore]

Watch carry me

[forest ferry]

I hate running velio without extension
He brings terrain MPR rng when he already has infi terrain

[outer whale]

I would be syncing with SS Steven anyways

So not worth using Velio sync

[forest ferry]

Wait
Then why Velio at all

Is it the moonlight heals?

[outer whale]

Spdef drops and bianca is the one setting terrain

[forest ferry]

Wait
You don't have anni may?

[outer whale]

I do not

[forest ferry]

ah
Makes sense

[outer whale]

I do not have anni may or Chingling

[forest ferry]

I am considering this so far

Might actually bring in aura cyn coz no supports

[cunning shore]

That will stage will suffer

Hard

[outer whale]

I won't lie. That Liza stage looks miserable

[forest ferry]

that's like the only meme comp....others look somewhat workable ig

[outer whale]

Sleep strats can only get you so far before resilience

[cunning shore]

Still useable tbh

[forest ferry]

Liza stage will work

[cunning shore]

Very reliant to control how turns go too

[forest ferry]

Since LN can quad queue

Don't have to use sing with rosa

And it's full master passive

[cunning shore]

The will stage is the true omg you want to suffer

[forest ferry]

If I bring aura cyn It'll be bit more bearable

[cunning shore]

Offtyping already

Hehe

[forest ferry]

Wait a sec

I am actually clown

Real clown

Didn't even consider mespirit

[cunning shore]

Clowntown you go

[forest ferry]

Wtf am I even doing

[cunning shore]

What does Mespirit get at 3/5

[forest ferry]

3/5 is rly good

But 1/5 is still servicable

[cunning shore]

Yeah

[forest ferry]

Coz screens

[cunning shore]

But I have to make up

For lack of units

[forest ferry]

I derped real hard

[true sparrow]

Ho-oh has 40+ defenses and 100 hp than mewtwo

[cunning shore]

I mean, One can dream

[true sparrow]

And the team ho-oh used gave it +6 defenses and -6 for the opponent

It's a very major difference

[cunning shore]

I am saying the situation has to be similar though

[forest ferry]

They literally made a stage just so that silver can work

If that condition didn't exist, nobody would have bothered with him

[cunning shore]

Poor Ho-oh

Now Poor M2

[forest ferry]

And gio is less bulk and damage than him

[outer whale]

When we get closer to the event, do you think I should add offtype units into this?

[cunning shore]

Dem legendaries being papers

[forest ferry]

Wdym

[cunning shore]

The main OP ones

Yeah

Like last time

[forest ferry]

Sycamore is the real goated bulk

[true sparrow]

Well they're always valid for clear, but they won't be any comparable point wise

[forest ferry]

If you can do 75k+ with offtype it's good ig

Otherwise it's

[cunning shore]

Yeah NC Blue gonna come again ain't he

[forest ferry]

All 5 psy tanks are good

Blue will only exist in people without any of those

Not like fire

[true sparrow]

If you need him to clear sure, but he isn't anywhere near slottable for max points

[outer whale]

Crazy how folks can still 1000 pt with an offtype and get 80k points still.

[cunning shore]

He can be subbed in for a 1000 str stage

[cunning shore]

Basically this

[forest ferry]

Well 80k is really good

If other scores are 120+

[cunning shore]

120k is basically 1000str too

Average will probably be around 600-800 STR

Only top top comps will run average 1000str

[outer whale]

HSE players 🤝 LG Players.

Deranged lunatics going for the best score possible.

[forest ferry]

800 str is like 90-100kish

Depending on how much you fuck up on other parameters

average playerbase is crying at 300 str

Wdym average is 600-800

[cunning shore]

I meant average top 100

[outer whale]

I will never forget the chad able to 1000 strength every battle in Grass HSE

[cunning shore]

Yeeeee

We don't talk bout dat

[forest ferry]

1000 str without NCleaf

NCleaf is cheating

[cunning shore]

Still didn't hit 600k tho

Sadge

[forest ferry]

[cunning shore]

Was hoping for that 600k score

[forest ferry]

They didn't have enuff time probs

The comps also needed bit more minmaxing

If they were more open abt comps we would have seen like 10ish 600k+

JP just likes to keep their comps secret

[cunning shore]

10ish a bit high

[outer whale]

Japan players tend to be very reserved until after events.

[forest ferry]

Nah
We had good comps
Just fumbled with NCleaf

[cunning shore]

Why share glory mindset

[forest ferry]

And that stupid gardenia core

[cunning shore]

So we going completely ontype this time

I see

[forest ferry]

the other 3 comps we came up were on par or even better than theirs

Rank 1 didn't even use sserika
It still baffles me

and she did a 1000 str

[cunning shore]

Some of our Ramos clears were godly

[outer whale]

Maybe, I can still see NCBlue being valuable as well as Bede, Nc Silver and possibly even a weird steel type like Rose.

[forest ferry]

well
Not many people have NYsabrina

Coz seasonal unit

[outer whale]

Highly invested seasonal unit too

[cunning shore]

I can't see anyone filling like NC Blue tbh

The rest would probably not survive in 1000str

[forest ferry]

aura cyn can

better bulk

[cunning shore]

Well

Yes

NCBlue and ACynthia

[outer whale]

NC blue will have problems though this time around. Weak to ice, and some stages have Icy wind. Lucian even has Blizzard

[forest ferry]

i mean
We managed to tank 1000 str with lblue without stat down

I think it's just matter of gears

The dr focus gears are so busted

[cunning shore]

My only problem is my physical gear for Lana

Max defense, max HP, good passives

30 attack

[outer whale]

I think another thing we need to factor.... ex roles now.

[cunning shore]

Not all units have em though

[outer whale]

Anni May and SS Dawn are getting one are they not?

[cunning shore]

Yeah

Field and sprint

Respectively

[outer whale]

SS dawn with sprint is massive omg

[cunning shore]

But I think the event starts before they get those upgrades?

Right?

Am i tripping

[outer whale]

Same time

It's the psychic HSE banner

[cunning shore]

Oh

Nice

For those who have em

[true sparrow]

I don't think May's will be impactful for HS specifically

Might even be detrimental actually

But Dawn's is amazing for sure

[paper mist]

there's no theme skill bonus this time, just an entire role instead

[forest ferry]

Ok done

[paper mist]

Caitlin seems made for Shadow Ball Giovanni, and SSDawn Moonblast DPS for Lucian?

might be hard since he's a -2 gauges and she has no speed buffs, sprint role can only do so much

[outer whale]

Tapu lele

For lucian i mean

[paper mist]

This group is pretty interesting. Liza needs fast clears or else she ramps up sync buffs due to a lower countdown, Will is anti-PT, Sabrina forces Techs, Lucian will want high speed or low gauge+sync nukes, and Caitlin is there

oh true I forgot she has that

[outer whale]

I will applaud anyone who decides to unironically use Calem for this HSE

[forest ferry]

Calem has self heal

[paper mist]

Sabrina bring Grass sync is also meant to try and get you to use your PT setters there

Paralysis procs can come in clutch sometimes too

[forest ferry]

I think those that fumbled and didn't get rosa will use him

[paper mist]

I have other options luckily

[outer whale]

Sounds like pain

[forest ferry]

Anyone that skipped rosa deserve to suffer

[paper mist]

[forest ferry]

[paper mist]

I had to

I had 2 Villain MFs to get

[forest ferry]

Literal dead patch

[paper mist]

plus Will needs SpDef debuffs too, so you need to use Lucian or someone with Psychic, preferably OAR Psychic

who's gonna be running LuSSamine Mirror Shot DPS against Liza?

Mew after Syncing can unironically be used as DPS on multiple sides in this HSE too, literally everyone but Caitlin

[forest ferry]

lussa doesn't even need to spam mirror shot

She has D4 on grid

Caitlin actually has the bulk to live through syncs

And decent dps post buff

[paper mist]

meant as a joke, of someone running Mirror Shot DPS over Prismatic Laser purely because of it being SE even though it'd be weaker

This is what I’m running for the first run, though the lack of May and Olympia copies will hurt (and ofc no Rosa).

[turbid tiger]

Would I be better off slotting some non-psychic Uber DDs at this rate?

Also, is it worth EXing Lucian now that the stages are out? Sabrina's probably getting EXed irregardless since BR exists

[turbid tiger]

Or is the trade off from losing a psychic type for the multiplier not worth the extra firepower?

Not having access to Olympia and Gio EX really screwing me over

[true sparrow]

It's gonna be tough, you need at least 2 outside units. Lucian is quite good, I'm not sure you actually need his EX, but it's gonna be a very good one

[turbid tiger]

Planning to pull SC Irida + EXR her too

So which 2 outside units should help me?

Should I slot SS Gladion on Lucian?

[true sparrow]

Are you going for 180k?

[turbid tiger]

I was originally going for master medal

[true sparrow]

We can see how things evolve when the event starts

[turbid tiger]

but then with the new titles/medals, I don't know if whale competition would be fierce

Guess I'll just draft up my teams first

And come back later

[paper mist]

I suppose the new titles means we'll see the previous HSE rerunning in the future

wonder if the 2-type ones will have separate type titles for those who want just one type to show off

[hollow prism]

So runner now that we have info do you think you’ll be able to beat our Grass scores or do you think the ceiling is way lower this time

I want to see someone hit 600k at some point lol

[true sparrow]

I haven't calced points yet

[main pulsar]

But it fecking works for him

💀

[paper mist]

just realized I failed to put Steoxys into any teams

[hardy fog]

I'm pretty happy with everything so far for my teams except for not giving crit to bianca. Just feels like I'm not getting the best of her. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D6k-97u-zzxkbyDY9rurnuVX_j5GYpMc9ctaNWfEkaI/edit?usp=drivesdk

For bianca to get crit she needs velio Sabrina or bede. I only got the first 2

To counter liza. Just planning to counter with dmg 😂

[hardy fog]

This gear makes me feel naked. No def 😭

[forest ferry]

Atleast pin is good for sabrina

The bandanna is just cursed

[hardy fog]

I just rerolled bandana

20 sp def 75 sp attack 30hp

Good enough for now

Roll other gear first

Lols

Way worse gear than what I had in grass(to start with)

[mortal timber]

Alright friends of HS

it's time to time

brainstorming time

[oak fulcrum]

oh I still need to get skill gear

[crude iron]

Is it bad that I didn’t even realize ssteven could set terrain till just now?… been just using speed and attack form so far at 1/5ex

Good idea on a pin for hse btw?

I don’t have any yellow feathers atm

Think this is the ncrosa feather

[turbid tiger]

definitely the nc rosa feather

[crude iron]

Is it a good idea to use it for this hse? Or not worth?

[hollow prism]

Honestly that doesn’t look awful, idk what the passives are though

Also if you use Steven to set terrain in HS when you don’t need more than 2 setters i might attack you

[hardy fog]

So violent.

[turbid tiger]

Ugh I want to EX Akari but I need to conserve my PU tickets for Lucian and Sabrina EX

[shy flower]

What if I just don't use Steven

[crude iron]

Sorry had to get to the road before could reply to this

On a 300mi road trip now to move

[hollow prism]

Ooooh

I don’t know if i like those passives

That’s the issue with the feathers. The stats are suboptimal

So you better have busted to shit passives

And those probably aren’t busted to shit

[crude iron]

Yeah, pins tend to be easiest to excuse them in as a result

[hollow prism]

No i think Pins are the worst

Because you need the HP and extra stats so much

[crude iron]

Gladions feather was really nice atleast

Pins are hardest to roll for me

[hollow prism]

You use them on the bandana or Bracelet, and you do it on the atk type that’s weaker for the HS

[crude iron]

Fair

[hollow prism]

So for this one you should do it on the Bandanna because Physical damage and defense is weak

VERY weak

In fact only Lucian and Lana care at all

And you could in theory make an alternate bandanna to use on that stage specifically where the stats matter

[crude iron]

I uh

Bandana is the special one, prob

Bracelet is physical

[hollow prism]

What?

Seriously?

WOW i’m an idiot

Whoops

[thorny grove]

I’m able to get one role cake this month and I’m really tempted to use it on NC Silver. But I could also get support on Espeon Elio with the last psychic EX Role I need for the HSE. Should I go for Elio’s or Silver’s. Silver I could also just easily do next month.

[magic sandal]

I’m relatively happy with my gear

[shy flower]

Ah fuck I forgot about gear

[royal tiger]

Ehhh ill just do the 3star psychic type gears

[hardy fog]

Would yall say Lussa is one of those units you shelf most of the time? Can't imagine using her much besides HS, while ss steven and ss lama exist.

[forest ferry]

no

She has D4 for evasion hax and master passive for spl dmg red

And 4/5 stages are spl focus

Her only limitation is her single target is ass compared to every other psychic, which can still be fixed by just shoving in a tech nuker

I can see Lear being shelved in top comps since his damage and nuke is kind of not up to the mark

but there's a stored power stage even for him so it all depends how it actually runs

[hardy fog]

Ig for you... without ss steven you would use her more often

[forest ferry]

eh
Even with Steven I'd use both

[hardy fog]

Who sets terrain then

Ss lana dps is superior

Last hs I got Sycamore from daily and had no plans to candy. Lussa even if I get it... I'm not sure if I want to candy and cake lol

[true sparrow]

SS Lana dps isn't better than Lusamine's

[forest ferry]

you wouldn't run terrain in whatever stage luSSa is running

It's gonna be one of stages with full psy damage

Terrain stages already have heavy competition

[true sparrow]

I would run terrain in all stages

except the one where I cannot

[forest ferry]

Unless you like
Shove in anni may

[hollow prism]

Honestly i had her completely shelved until i 3/5’d her today

Hopefully she’s not complete ass now

[forest ferry]

Anni may luSSa seems rly good but like dunno if anni may better for sabrina to unga bunga or any of the other 3 psy sync stages

[hollow prism]

I need the cake too

But i’ll get that easily

[haughty haven]

You will run Lana and Elio on different team ?

[forest ferry]

I likely 1 stage with NCrosa and 4 other stages with terrain

And NCrosa probs pairs with deoxys atk

[true sparrow]

likely, yes

[hardy fog]

Who would you run with ss lana

[forest ferry]

Velio nuking outside terrain

Lucian ig

[true sparrow]

she isn't the only one that sets terrain

[forest ferry]

Yea but we have Bianca, anni may, sslana and velio for terrain

So if 4 seperated, there's no terrain for Velio

[hollow prism]

So VElio would go on Sabrina then?

[forest ferry]

Unless I am forgetting someone

Velio has atk down

Probably Lucian or Caitlin

[haughty haven]

Egg

[forest ferry]

but well if you aren't gridding atk down on Velio, he still works in lot of stages ig

So
Velio+luSSa
Lana+Lucian
Anni may+lear
Bianca+olympia
Steven+NCrosa ig

Unless you bring egg terrain

It's not ordered btw

[haughty haven]

But i dont like Elio without Lana

[forest ferry]

Same

But runner says more terrain better

[haughty haven]

Bc if you Sync with him, you likely cant quad queue after that

[forest ferry]

And I trust God

I legit don't want to consider egg terrain

Eggspeon is meh

I doubt it can even tank 1000 str sync since it's a tech egg

Not like the paldea ones

[true sparrow]

I mean, I'm not saying you must use terrain everywhere, just that not using a terrain while having one available is a direct nerf on your team

psychic has plenty disruption that you can go without getting hit by psychic moves if planned correctly

[forest ferry]

lodge N and will

Well if I am not seperating lana and Velio it's more like

Anni may+deoxys
Lana+Velio
Lussa+Lucian
Bianca+NCrosa+Caitlin
Lear+Olympia

[hardy fog]

Runner if I try to apply what you have been telling us about debuff. Would ss steven best go to caitlin?

[true sparrow]

you'll lack sp.atk debuffs one place or the other, not much that can be done about that

I like Mesprit for Caitlin 'cause of reflect and LS

[hardy fog]

Man i gotta rebuild base on your comments 😂

So separation of terrain

[forest ferry]

You can't go wrong with any of the tanks in any stage

Other than ssdawn for Liza

Since she can keep up the countdown

[hardy fog]

Runner give me a hint where you putting the Sabrina's and Dawn

[true sparrow]

I'm not using sabrina

[forest ferry]

they mean NY

[true sparrow]

I'm not using either sabrina

[forest ferry]

[true sparrow]

dawn is going liza

[forest ferry]

But infinite endure

[hardy fog]

Fair. You got bede. Rosa. Mes. Dawn.

So you must have a Evasion tank

[forest ferry]

wbt 5th one

[hardy fog]

Buwhaha

[forest ferry]

Wait

Is it Liza with evasion Olympia

Or smth wacky like Caitlin, Bianca, Olympia

Coz I can see it totally work with all of em buffing spl def

[hardy fog]

That looks too budget for his roster

[forest ferry]

Yea but 5th tank tho

[hardy fog]

Prob doing sync countdown combo on liza with lussa and dawn like Link

[haughty haven]

Is 1/5 Lusa better than Caitlin ?

[hardy fog]

I can't imagine that happening

[haughty haven]

Yeah, i have 1/5 SS Lusa and dont know what to do with her

[hardy fog]

Caitlin got pretty solid tile

[forest ferry]

1/5 Rolex lussa yes

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

I doubt extend range dps will be not usable anyways

Since psy is full of tech nukers

But without rolex she's gonna feel pepega

[hardy fog]

I'm still dailying for her I honestly don't know if I could pull the trigger to candy her haha

If she comes

[crude iron]

Do I keep for now or keep going. Am low on feathers

Don’t have the type gear so

Also have one more pin but rather use on themes I think

[forest ferry]

keep going

Not that good for a gear with ever pin

No defensive buffs and only offense is 3% CR

[crude iron]

Is this ok

Or bad bc passives

[forest ferry]

I'd take it over 3% crit

You can improve but if you are broke on feather you can stop

[crude iron]

Thanks

Low on feather rn is main reason why I just locked first psychic I saw. Cause really needed a bandana for hse if Liza gonna be this hard

Lot better than possibly looking at 30 spatk or whatever from offtype gear

[shy flower]

I shelf LuSSa and SSteven Lana and Lear cover all my Psychic needs and I like them more anyway

[slow obsidian]

Just drafted this out from my head. Am I good to go? (For 180K)

[hardy fog]

Easy..

[forest ferry]

2 lucian

Bianca in sabrina team instead of him

[slow obsidian]

My bad 💀 swapped one of that out with Bianca

[forest ferry]

Should be good enuff for 180k

[oak fulcrum]

I have 2 strike candy to spend now, trying to decide between getting SS Lana to 3/5 or LuSSa to 3/5 EXR and looking for input there. Sending full roster as well in case that helps, but let’s also assume SS Dawn and Anni May both at 3/5+ once that banner drops (I need Dawn for gauntlet anyways), but does one of those strikers seem like a clear preference for this HSE?

I’m leaning slightly towards Lana but maybe I’m just misunderstanding Lusamine’s kit and she actually gets a lot at 3/5

[full lark]

If you’re just candying for HSE then I’d recommend waiting until the event gets here 1st

[oak fulcrum]

true true, they’re strike candies though which to me are the least valuable. The 4 omni candies I have I’m not thinking about HSE with

[hollow prism]

YOO now i only lack One pair for this event

But it’s Lear

And i have weaknesses of 1/5 Mesprit and Anni May, and 2/5 Elio

Maybe if i grind for really hard runs or maneuver really well i could prove some threat

[cunning shore]

Only reason she's shelfed is because I have SSTeven.
She was my go to psychic before him.

[hardy fog]

Man I've been wanting to upgrade my irida forever but am I really prioritizing velio first 😂

[full lark]

Wait for the event 1st, you might not even need the upgrade to him

And so could freely candy Irida

[opaque lantern]

I been trying to build teams for HSE event any considerations

[trail adder]

Damn you're stacked

These look good, I would just place a tech pair on Caitlin's team, if you want a higher score that is

[opaque lantern]

I was gonna ex Leer next CS

The striker double was because of Sabrina and my only other option be Mew or Calem

[trail adder]

Variety Elio would've been clutch right now

[crude iron]

Which order should I plan the bosses in? For my first draft

Starting goal is 180k

[round stone]

no shot you get top 1k

other than that, I'd say just wing it honestly.

... while keeping in mind the restrictions obvs

[crude iron]

Yeah I’m missing too much to aim high in psychic I think

Especially when they give a stage like Liza

Least I have Steven to make 180k more manageable

Might’ve been less sure about 180k reasonable otherwise

[paper mist]

He’ll be in Select next week

[crude iron]

Just out of curiosity which form y’all plan to use for Steven? Just attack form, or is anyone planning for speed or defense?

[cunning shore]

Attack or bust

[hollow prism]

Yep

Maybe we’ll use def if we need it but idk

[crude iron]

With my box who should I save Steven for?

Since he’s prob my strongest psychic damage

Also dunno where 1/5 ncrosa might go bosswise

Hear Liza can’t be slept or something.

[hardy fog]

Blaze is planning to use defense form

[onyx crystal]

the Sabrinas and Mesprit are that dire huh

[crude iron]

Which psychic pair has the highest chance of -spdef out of the f2p ones plus lodge n?

Cause I doubt the limiteds I have do it other than n

[hardy fog]

Mewtwo with on the roll

[crude iron]

m2 planned on Caitlin… ruhroh

Oh wait

I forgot about Lucian like a dummy lmao

Def using Lucian on will now that I remembered him

Btw is using ss gladion instead of a psychic dps on the Lucian fight a bad idea? Since mid fairy weak am tempted

[cunning shore]

Attack or bust

[hardy fog]

Just try it and you will see

[cunning shore]

That attack will do a 1000str

Probably protect on 2nd sync

[paper mist]

I still need to slot Steven into a team but he’s only 1/5 and not caked so the rating doc isn’t as useful for me

[cunning shore]

Still good though

Just suboptimal

Well

Not optimal

[crude iron]

I’m thinking I will be using him vs Liza myself. Similar situation

Will be caking mine tho

[paper mist]

I have the candies to level him but I don’t really use him outside of LG

And my next two cakes are going to LuSSa and SSDawn

[crude iron]

Either way cake isn’t that huge for attack form. Helps but prob not necessary for 180k

Also uhhhhhhh staring at my psy supports again… do I use all four plus like Bianca tank or…

Really cringe that we can’t ex the other two

Might have to lean on offtype ncblue

I’m thinking I might need to fully top load my clear on Liza tbh

Even if it means two supp syncs in one fight

Bleh that feels kinda bad

This is looking rough as shit

I know oak wants crit but I’m fucking out of crit buffers with this layout

[hardy fog]

1/5 steven?

Could spread the debuff love a Lil and assign someone on Sabrina

[crude iron]

Yeah is 1/5 Steven and Rosa

Basically all my psy limiteds are 1/5

The only way I can move around a crit buff I think is by taking Rosa out of the Liza fight

Which could be really dangerous

[paper mist]

Bianca and Caitlin can both function as tanks, I think Caitlin as better healing though

Where should I put my 1/5 uncaked Steven?

thinking I should probably put him in Sabrina's place and then use her against herself instead of Mesprit

[crude iron]

Liza is the most dangerous fight

[paper mist]

she is, yeah