High Score

[graceful pike]

blaine has burn and trap

which can factor

and he has technically

one more sun buff

[forest ferry]

I am running Evelyn so no need another burn bot

The 3rd sun from Blaine is from sync which isnt gonna let me grid haymaker

[signal needle]

what is this coding

LMAO

Psychic weak Blaziken

Hilda and Calem: THATS MINE

[paper mist]

[maiden canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/faba-too-hot-thicc-pokemon-gif-25599158

[graceful pike]

5/5 debuff

let's gooo

man

i just got

dc2 on anni N

finally

i hope it's worth it lmfao

[outer whale]

that "Coding" is called the rankings that will be in the Pins

[signal needle]

change Thief Gloria to FFFF

FAILED for stealing the pokemon from Victor

[outer whale]

no.

Solely because she has SE on EVERY stage.

[onyx crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-awake-get-up-tired-tired-af-gif-18737412

[outer whale]

sages, don't worry, I did the work for you

and if there's any concerns or need clarification on a grade, lmk

[onyx crystal]

@ornate turret some feedback for the infographics. All of the enemies share baseline passives:

• resilience
• Lessen Poison/Burn/Trap 10
• One-Hit KO Nullification

If these could be excluded or just listed in a seperate section, it'd make reading the individual encounters easier.

maybe it can be solved by just coloring them differently so I can just read the unique passives quicker

[outer whale]

Now, it's worth noting if there is a difference in the resistence. ex. Flint is 9 instead of 10

[sturdy glen]

yeah because he's WEAK to burn

[onyx crystal]

maybe it can be solved by just coloring them differently so I can just read the unique passives quicker

[graceful pike]

ah flint, meant to be owned by leon

leon has guaranteed burn after all

also

remember

if your support is lacking

throw in a max move at start to buff them

i am pretty sure only leon has it?

like

[paper mist]

*for stealing from Hop

[graceful pike]

max ground gives defense?

i remember max airstream giving speed

[outer whale]

ground is Spdef iirc

Steel was def.

[paper mist]

Correct

[forest ferry]

Bruh
I just realised kiawe wants spl def drops and chili wants def drops

Now I have to move around my units

[graceful pike]

i swear

one day

if Grass H.S event comes

and Rosa is not S rank at any place

imma go crazy

[onyx crystal]

MAX Knuckle: +2
MAX Steelspike: +2
MAX Ooze: +2
MAX Quake: +2
MAX Airsttream: +2
MAX Wyrmwind: -2
MAX Phantasm: -2
MAX Strike: -2
MAX Rockfall:
MAX Flare:
MAX Lighting:
MAX Mindstorm:

[graceful pike]

XD

[graceful pike]

yup we go max quake asap for leon kekw

for the buffs

using max quake for damage ? nah

use it for stat buffs? awww yeahhhh

why do i get the feeling

that ethan is better than ss red

simply because he can heal better

hmmmm

sounds stupid i know

[outer whale]

lmao have fun using him when he's rock weak

Spoiler: Chili and Flannery use rock moves

[ornate turret]

yeah I noticed those too, i'll try to make some adjusments them when i have time, and adding some more stuffs if i can make some free spaces

[onyx crystal]

ok, i'll try and look this over

[graceful pike]

i used him for flint

leon

oh shit for uhhh

ethan

probably somewhere

[forest ferry]

Fixed after factoring in enemy syncs

[rich mango]

From an initial glance, I think Tina and SS Hilda should be bumped up slightly:

• Tina seems to be second-best Support option (Fire Guard on grid, Att debuffs, Def buffs, some healing) after SS Morty [not counting caked NC Leaf]
• SS Hilda for gauge-friendliness and high damage (can duo/dual strike)

Generally speaking:

• SS Morty imo should be S+ except for "Challenge Flint" [no healing]
• NC Leaf should be S or S+ across the board (expecting to see her on some 1k STR team, especially if caked)
• For "Challenge Chili" [Max Gauge -2], I would consider lowering all 4-bar move users by around half a grade
• Ethan seems fine for low-AOE enemies

[forest ferry]

Kiawe to drop counter TS3 vs chili and serena has mg4

[graceful pike]

somehow i have the same units, yet i wanna change

if you have tina

where do you put her?

[forest ferry]

I'll move marley to Flannery and run Tina vs flint

[graceful pike]

wait

isn't flannery the

anti sync damage one

do you have 3/5 on eve?

[forest ferry]

Yes my Evelyn is 3/5

[graceful pike]

then

she should go to flannery

asap

[forest ferry]

[graceful pike]

use that synchro healing dammit

[forest ferry]

I am syncing with silver

for sun

[graceful pike]

rotate

[forest ferry]

Also Blaine is special focus stage

[graceful pike]

between silver and eve

[forest ferry]

Evelyn is my only spl def buffing tank

[graceful pike]

HOW

[outer whale]

Initially, i didn't really take S+ or S- into account unless the unit has multiple S's

[forest ferry]

Wdym how

I ain't using SSmorty vs Blaine

[graceful pike]

no like

[forest ferry]

[graceful pike]

how does she debuff sp.def

[outer whale]

like for example. Leon is S+ on blaine because he fufill all weakness, while Flint, only 2 weakness

[forest ferry]

not debuff
Buffing

I want defensive buffs as well

[graceful pike]

oh yeah that makes sense now

[forest ferry]

I am running lirida for flinch anyways

So silver shouldn't rly be taking much damage

[graceful pike]

yeah

i ex'd irida lodge just for that

the flinches

also she solo'd latios lmfao

what a beast

[outer whale]

In regards to SSMorty being S+ in all stages, Sun can be detrimental in Blaine and Flint's battle solely because their moves will be powered up making them hit harder and potentially more than SSMorty can handle.

[graceful pike]

beast mode babyyyyy

[outer whale]

also keep in mind that their syncs ARE fire, so if you mess up timing, it will be a double edged sword. I was a bit more critical on this especially since tanks for Fire HSE is incredibly limited

[forest ferry]

Actually
Tina+lirida should let you tank 600+ str sync
Tho silver solo dpsing is very questionable so Tina is better off vs flint

[outer whale]

Regardless, If you do feel as though they should be bumped up, I'm not one to argue against it especially since I could very well miss something, Just wanted to explain my reasoning for that ranking

[rich mango]

no, that makes sense. appreciate the clarifications

[forest ferry]

Kiawe is so limited heavy to deal with

Only Flannery and serena are tech fire options

[outer whale]

hey now, at least Flannery can Psuedo tank.

physical stages ofc, but nevertheless

[forest ferry]

Hmmmm
Maybe I should just consider cerena instead of SSred for chili

[maiden canopy]

I just realized that I'm only 1 away from a general candy, so if I can get a striker candy within the period of this HS event, then I can potentially 3/5 my SS Hilda

[sullen kestrel]

Kiawe, blaine, flint, chilli, flannery

[graceful pike]

[sullen kestrel]

5/5, 1/5, 5/5
5/5, 3/5, 5/5
5/5, 3/5, 1/5
3/5, 1/5, 5/5
5/5, 3/5, 3/5
Im just going for 180k

[outer whale]

I am more upset you do 2/3/1 instead of the superior 1/3/2

[sullen kestrel]

I kind of just threw stuff tg

[sullen kestrel]

[gentle thistle]

Is it a thing?? I do 3/1/2

[sullen kestrel]

So uh…. Hop is for sp def debuffs, zerena and ss red for piercing gaze, sonia for defense debuffs, and ss morty for sun

The rest is kind of just wtvr

[signal needle]

how are my teams looking

im also thinking about swapping Serena and Blaine

but then Silver team gonna die without the sleep support

or maybe Serena > Blaine > Hilda swap

[rancid perch]

2/1/3 is supreme

[mortal timber]

i have a sad news for you ethan believer like me

he is rock weak

[true sparrow]

I think you can use better your dmg dealers, Hilda is being kinda wasted being alongside SS Hilda (if ss hilda is 3/5)

[mortal timber]

linkable taught me the lesson

[signal needle]

so who do i tank with on Vs Flint

[signal needle]

FFF

[mortal timber]

I KNOW RIGHT

[signal needle]

yep thats why im thinking of moving HIlda

[mortal timber]

like it's actually decent on this parameter to bring him, but the rock sync is what it closes every chance

[outer whale]

1/3/2
3/1/2
2/3/1
3/2/1
2/1/3
1/2/3

[signal needle]

where should Ethan even go

[true sparrow]

outside

[signal needle]

ah

[mortal timber]

honestly, try and find someone else

[outer whale]

Ethan can only go reliably to Blaine

[signal needle]

i have only these dunces left

[true sparrow]

Flint is better than Ethan

[mortal timber]

[signal needle]

ok Ethan to vs Blaine

doing it sunless

[true sparrow]

don't recommend it

[outer whale]

Just reposting this for you all. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1128052735967764621/1168202944433373325/image.png?ex=6550e8c6&is=653e73c6&hm=30212e2c6fc4ba050327537903fbb000a5fe1949b57ea6cb8f1206dfd3647227&

[sturdy glen]

may s against flannery?
going with a gutted sync doesnt seem a good idea

[outer whale]

Flinch at 5/5 and defense crush can be used as utility

[mortal timber]

her dmg is still useful and the debuffs she provides

• flinch

linkable too fast

[outer whale]

[sturdy glen]

ok but... i still wouldnt rank her S

[outer whale]

She has the utility to still deal DPS. A unit doesn't need a sync nuke to be good if DPS is still good.

[sturdy glen]

looking at the list...
yeah all the pairs that have a better dps
want to go somewhere else
so it makes sense that she's good here

[rancid perch]

look I'm not a damage dealer mid kind of guy but whatever you do 2 should be on the left since that slot is shown second in the champion stadium victory ceremony

[signal needle]

ok i rearranged after consulting Linkable's pic

on 2nd thought

im still thinking SS hilda shudnt be on a stage where the gauge is only 4

but then i also want her to be able to use her Rising Tide

i guess this will work given Hilda and Kiawe are potion bots

[signal needle]

ye you dont need to rearrange just so u use that Low Sweep

SS May should go to Vs Chili because she can debuff Defense and she has Fuel Economy

[outer whale]

She has move gauge replenish making her more useful for dual striking searing shot

[signal needle]

Which of these makes more sense

[cyan tusk]

I’d swap EV Lucas for silver, silver for anni N and anni N for Ev Lucas actually

If ev Lucas is 3/5 he can definitely be used as a dps/syncro healer on stage 5

[signal needle]

mm

[cyan tusk]

Dps ev Lucas - dp ss Hilda - SSMorty can wreck stage 5

Which is gonna be the hardest with stage 2 imo

I’d also seriously consider NCSerena on stage 4 but I’ll confirm that after the event comes out

[sturdy glen]

if that happens
where would you use may?

[signal needle]

so you suggest to put Silver against Flint

[cyan tusk]

I’m actually considering on not using May mainly bc im not enjoying single target techs on hse events

[sturdy glen]

[cyan tusk]

I do prefer AoE strikers, but I’m still refining my teams

[signal needle]

also why is Serena D vs Flint

[outer whale]

No healing, and weak to ground

[cyan tusk]

She might be going with leon against Blaine but I’m kinda worried of the lack of atk debuffs

[outer whale]

Earthquake spamming Rhyperior go brrr

[signal needle]

just sleep the Earthquakes

[cyan tusk]

I still have Volkner ptsd hitting like a truck lmao

[signal needle]

im more thinking that sleep is needed to buy time against Flint

(if i dont hv Flinch which i dont!)

[outer whale]

The problem is will serena survive late game?

Especiall with Resilience

[cyan tusk]

Btw you guys worried about damage, I’m more worried about the fact that SSMorty is the only one able to tank smth in this event

Tina is also good but she will need time to setup charm/tm

[signal needle]

just speedrun

[cyan tusk]

The rest is basically garbage except Evelyn but no 6EX is pain

[signal needle]

or you know bring an offtype tank

#1 gonna bring NC Blue

[cyan tusk]

It’s me

Lol

[signal needle]

actually i shud do that hmm

i can bring NC Blue and dump blaine

[cyan tusk]

Nc blue and Nc serena best option, blue can also debuff both atks

[rough ginkgo]

Not feeling obligated to go for Masters is the best feeling
||While other people are stressing over a game I can just stress over real life instead||

[signal needle]

NC Blue + EV Lucas vs Kiawe sounds like a very good idea

[cyan tusk]

Also Nc leaf + Evelyn should be a fixed combo

Especially if leaf is caked

Well, mine is rn

[chilly flame]

Nah bro trust in the Evelyn investment

And don’t sleep on torchic

Boutta be the underdog of this event

[outer whale]

torchic will definitely survive A hit.

[signal needle]

only underdog of this event will be Tech Rapidash

• leaves *

im quite happy that my Fire Gears give me +150 HP to all

[mortal timber]

let's defend torchic santos

max invested both that and evelyn

[cyan tusk]

Im planning on 3/5 Evelyn too but I’m afraid torchic will not keep it up with high points

[mortal timber]

i am forced to use it

so i'll let you know

doing it for science

[cyan tusk]

Also the only way to grab time is through lodge irida flinch and Serena’s sleep

But serena being AoE is kinda trash for this event

There’s also tech fuecoco but 30% would not recommend it

[mortal timber]

yeah the aoe is gonna be troublesome

[cyan tusk]

I mean 5/5 SSMay has staggering 2 but it’s really expensive

[mortal timber]

In this cute lil creature I trust

[cyan tusk]

Well… good luck

(Better off type with nc bede/blue)

[mortal timber]

I’ll show you how to top 100 without Tina

ss hilda

and co.

[signal needle]

show me how to top 100 with TLcalem

I dont go so low to ask for Flint

[mortal timber]

spoilers: lcalem is the only fire unit still at 4*

[signal needle]

good

makes it harder

[cyan tusk]

Im wondering who are the “co”

[mortal timber]

the varieties

probably i am missing more but who knows

[candid cobalt]

Wait wdym probably 😭

[signal needle]

you know i got a big brain idea

What if yall brought Maxie with the sun vs ground-weak Blaine

[sturdy glen]

[cyan tusk]

Blaine is gonna wreck us with sun up

[onyx crystal]

Kiawe

• Weaknesses: ⚠️
• Iron Head, Shadow Bone
• Ghost Sync Impact
  Sides:
• Shadow Ball, Hyper Beam, Dark Pulse, Snarl
• Crunch
• Team Wise Entry 1

Blaine

• Weaknesses: ⚠️
• Flame Wheel
• Fire Blast
• Quizmaster Flame Charge
• Agile Entry 1
• X Evasion All
  Sides:
• Bug Buzz, Fire Blast, Heat Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave
• 0x X Attack All, 2x X Speed All

Flint

• Weaknesses: ⚠️
• Flare Blitz, Fire Punch, Low Sweep
• Fire Sync Impact
  Sides:
• Brave Bird, Close Combat, Earthquake, Hammer Arm
• Heat Wave
• 0x X Sp.Atk All, 2x X Speed All
• Team Evasive Rush

Chili

• Weaknesses: ⚠️
• Flare Blitz, Rock Tomb
• Disarming Voice
• Fire Sync Impact
• Sentry Entry 1
• Team Pinpoint Entry 1
  Sides:
• Flare Blitz, Rock Slide
• Psychic, Flamethrower, Hyper Voice, Heat Wave

Flannery

• Weaknesses: ⚠️
• Stone Edge, Body Slam
• Ancient Power
• Rock Sync Beam
• Sand Kicker
  Sides:
• Iron Head, Rock Slide
• Power Gem, Flash Cannon
• 0x X Atk All, 2x X Def All

[ornate turret]

don't have much time to do much but i just changed the colors for the passives so it's easier to read

[onyx crystal]

High Score Fire-Type Masters Archived Pins:

Event from: <t:1699423200:F> until <t:1700632740:F>.

• Top Scorers: #1128052735967764621 message
• Day-to-Day Point Changes: #1128052735967764621 message
• Lost's Infographics: https://twitter.com/absolutelypm/status/1718568181282058607
• Stage Moves & Stats: #1128052735967764621 message

[sturdy glen]

Kiawe also has Smart Cookie and X SpDef all
Blaine also has Agile Entry 1
Chili also has Sentry Entry 1, X Defense all, Tough Sync 3 and Defense ↑: Moves ↑ 3

[onyx crystal]

I usually only list the additiional stats, kinda went overboard

[sturdy glen]

where we can see that?

[onyx crystal]

he updated his pinned graphic

blue colored ones are shared, green are different

[sturdy glen]

ah ok thanks

[onyx crystal]

okay I trimmed it down a bit

it was alot of characters

[rain sierra]

Flint : No heal
Me : Oh boy, here we go again

[blazing birch]

Flint Flying weak

Glorialt:

[rain sierra]

Does OG Leon count?

[blazing birch]

The side is Ground Weak

[rain sierra]

It's Champion time! (Get lost in the woods)

[onyx crystal]

Leon's Earthquake is pretty bad, and shouldn't even be humored.

[rigid steppe]

OG Leon better for flying weak

[candid cobalt]

Me who used to use Leon for ground weak in MM

[cyan tusk]

Considering super prep 4, and defense debuffs from an ally he’s able to deal good damage ngl

[rich mango]

Also AoE/spread damage penalty bonus [50% x3]

[cyan tusk]

But max move

[grand perch]

Just use earthquake after everything else is dead

[true sparrow]

super effective eq barely matches inferno, if you use it against multiple targets then it's even worse and not even with se up it gets better.
Hurricane at least is always stronger if super effective

[hardy fog]

Checking which one not assigning resource for. I'm guessing I'm NOT using Lodge Calem. Flint and Blue?

[true sparrow]

I find Blue and Flint better picks than Ethan most of the time

[hardy fog]

O I just saw everyone have Ethan in their roster that's all 😂

Hmm so Blue can be used as a utility unit with swift debuff

[true sparrow]

barely

I would just spam hyper beam

[hardy fog]

I guess it depends on which unit it's paired with

2 4 bar moves not many team can support that it seems /ss morty

Ethan has gradual healing and it feels like that's about it

Flint is an extra meatshield with endurance

[true sparrow]

ethan is fast, that's about it

but all his multipliers are team dependent alongside eruption bp

so he might just do no dmg, specially as he's just regular aoe, and kinda mid one

[hardy fog]

I see your point it does look like blue have a bit more to offer as a support dps

Just horrible stats lol

[true sparrow]

yes, but the lower his offensive stats the more he gains from being paired with other fire types, which is the case here, hyper beam by itself is huge

[hardy fog]

For sun users. I'm guessing it would go to Kiawe and flannery. And timed for Flint?

[hardy fog]

I don't understand how that works

The stats part

[true sparrow]

theme skills and gear, if you give 120 sp.atk to someone with 500 that's a 24% increase, but if you do to someone with 240 as Blue is, that's a 50% dmg increase

so his dmg scaling is a lot bigger than your general strike would get

[hardy fog]

I see. But this is like tax. Just because you are paying more doesn't mean it's bad lol you are earning more.

[true sparrow]

it's just a factor to keep in mind, 'cause if you calculate his dmg by himself you won't get to see the impact you're getting from a team

kinda similar reason why super effective earthquake is kinda always worse than Inferno

when you pair with another fire unit you have a 54 or 60 sp.atk that only apply to fire moves

and eq won't get that small boost

[hardy fog]

I guess he can go with Silver since his dmg output besides sync is low and he doesn't have 4 bar move

[forest ferry]

If you are running cerena vs chili, you can run Lcalem for master passive

[rich mango]

Are there calcs/estimates for damage taken at 500 STR and 1000 STR?(assuming 250 defenses ally unit and 50BP and 100BP enemy moves)
My numbers atm aren't matching up properly with observations from Electric HSE, or I'm completely remembering wrong

[hardy fog]

That is not an option for me so don't need to explore that 😂

[forest ferry]

Scores depend on the conditions they give as well

[onyx crystal]

you can't really get away with 2x off-types and achieve a meaningful score, can you?

[forest ferry]

I remember seeing 105k pts in water HS at 700+ str itself

While ehs needed 900+ str for that score

Rank 1 team used NCleaf in their ehs team

She just complemented the electric HS conditions well

It depends on how strong your offtype option is

NCblue, cerena can probs get high pts in fire hs

[onyx crystal]

yeah 1x off-type, but idk about 2x in the same team

[true sparrow]

In a single team or 2 different stages?

Nah, 2 in a team would ruin it

I guess the max you could get is like 30k

[forest ferry]

Oh 2 in same team

That's a dead run

Id run ethan over 2nd offtype

[hardy fog]

Wasn't there 2 offtype team in number 1 electric roster?

Or was it just NC leaf

[forest ferry]

Just NCleaf

Other 4 teams were full electric

[rich mango]

Was this edited or display differences? [Missing Fire-type icon on NC leaf]

[forest ferry]

Electric HS was also punishing towards offtype in general

A lot of good units are electric weak

So you can't go past 450 str even with smth like SSmorty

[hardy fog]

Man where does ss red go

What about a BB build vs Flannery haha

NC Leaf goes to kiawe. Ss red seems like can only go Flint or Flannery

[forest ferry]

I am running this

I considered him vs chili but chili stage wants def drops to deal with tough sync and 30% dps boost

[sturdy glen]

kiawe needs of spdef debuffs
not defense

[forest ferry]

Serena drops spl def

MG4 on FS from grid

I also don't have a better choice

[sturdy glen]

oh right

[hardy fog]

Wait why does silver go flannery? I thought sync dmg is reduced by 80%. Silver is only attractive because of its sync? Or am I understanding it wrong

[forest ferry]

Sync with silver for sun

And dps with him

[hardy fog]

Ok you come up with some whacked lines but they often work 😂

[forest ferry]

My comps are cope

[hardy fog]

So what is your ss red build. That one I don’t get how the synergy works

[forest ferry]

I am missing like 70% of limited fire

SSred is dpsing

Hilda gonna be the one that nukes

I ain't resetting for 4 MPR procs for kiawe

[hardy fog]

Seems like a waste of silver sync though

He has like one of the best nuke sync out of all the fires

[forest ferry]

only stages that favor sun are kiawe and Flannery

Other stages are fire sync

Kiawe has -80 striker stats

Only workable stage for sun units is chili coz he doesn't have as much sun moves

[hardy fog]

Flint has the minimal fire moves it seems like so I guess it can be timed like Marnie

[forest ferry]

But even then silver sets sun on sync it's hard to control

Yea but flint also flying weak mid

I have leon

[hardy fog]

O true I don’t sooo 😂

[forest ferry]

Tbh flint is very reset heavy

Stage has no heals and sides have massive BP moves

If you don't have leon or alt Gloria for him, you gonna suffer

If you are running silver vs him, you gonna have to consider lirida or serena in that stage

To minimize the rng

[outer whale]

Please do not put SSRed with Flannery. He is literally weak to that stage.

[outer whale]

Referring to this

[sullen kestrel]

I put him w flint for piercing gaze

Same reason I put zerena for blaine

However, core enforcer or thousand waves dps?

[outer whale]

Flint or Blaine are good for him

still waiting on sages to update the grading sheet

[rich mango]

touching grass during Fire HSE prep
[It's his Cake Week, let him celebrate ]

[outer whale]

I didn't even realize it was his birthday.

[rigid steppe]

How are these teams

[outer whale]

Chili will be yikes for you. Ssred will have trouble with rock slide unless you kill sides first.

You have no healing for Flannery, you won't be able to last long since it's an endurance battle

Move SSMorty to Flannery, switch it with Blaine

[forest ferry]

SSred has aoe nuke

He shouldn't be getting hit with rock slide unless you are running joke grid

It's a post sync move for side as well and post sync aoe from side ohko's you at high strength even without type advantage

[onyx crystal]

Haven't had a chance to sit down and look at this yet.

[crimson python]

anyone knows is there update in HS rewards

[rich mango]

New skill feathers and slightly more Lv 150 unlock certs. One of the pins has updated infographic

[crimson python]

oh ok thanks

[sullen pier]

yeah Red, Blue and Pink feathers are made available from HS rewards

[sullen kestrel]

I thought its still the same amnt of certs?

[rich mango]

you're right, my mistake. I didn't notice they moved some certs around on the reward points. It's still 10 certs total for 180k points

[hardy fog]

This SS Hilda hits like a truck I quite like it. 😂 can't wait to use it in HS

[cyan tusk]

She does and she’s definitely solid, maxing out her own multipliers and also almost all stats aside acc and Eva

[graceful pike]

5/5 SS Hilda can reduce stat

i hope i can get

2 more coins

b4 event ends

[hardy fog]

I feel like I’m cheating on charizard

Dena’s fault for giving him virtually nothing on his expansion

[half orchid]

mad how leaf got a goated grid expansion and the other 2 trio members got nothing

[odd abyss]

still coping that red's second expansion is awesome

[forest ferry]

Inertia or fierce entry 2-3 in 3/5 expansion

[graceful pike]

idk i think blue is decent enough

i mean

he did get expanded first time

so technically, it's his 2nd one that did okay

red did jack shit

no HE on heat wave

nothing special

even his "extra damage" is only a tiny bit more

soften up is kind of useless if you are lucky

[forest ferry]

Atleast he got soften up

[graceful pike]

sharp entry 1 is also useless because red does not want to use tm b4 sync anyways so

dire hit +

[forest ferry]

I am pissed that they actually gave him sync thinker instead of just furious brain

[graceful pike]

yeah

like

WHY

that shit does NOTHING

i'm sorry but i still do not get

[forest ferry]

one time 40% boost

[graceful pike]

what the thing gives

like

one time 40% boost?

that shit is laughable

but hey

standafast 9

would be REALLY nice i suppose

[forest ferry]

The sharp entry should have been fierce entry 2 or 3

[chilly kayak]

I'd hardly call Leaf's expansion goated, they didn't fix her non existent self sufficiency

[graceful pike]

toxic freebe?

[chilly kayak]

meh

[graceful pike]

she kinda gets

quite a lot

power play

is huge

[forest ferry]

What self sufficiency you need for special dps

Just use zapdos

[chilly kayak]

I'm not saying her expansion is bad, just not amazing

[graceful pike]

yeah

i'd argue

it's insnae

Noxious hit

is actually grea

[forest ferry]

red's nuke being haymaker is what makes him annoying

[graceful pike]

if grass HS ever rolls around

i will make her 5/5

that attack drop is just

[chilly kayak]

yeah, because that's the most accessible pair ever

[graceful pike]

wow

[graceful pike]

your fault for not saivng up - DeNA probably

[forest ferry]

[chilly kayak]

yeah, point is, team flexibility is nice

[graceful pike]

but damn

i WANT power play so bad

[forest ferry]

Leaf's thing is also not abt her dmg post expansion

[graceful pike]

yeah

it's about

[forest ferry]

She's gonna get enemy to -6 all stats

[graceful pike]

debuffing your ass

[forest ferry]

And let you score in HS hard

[graceful pike]

yup

besides

she is gonna be

[forest ferry]

Red's main thing is dmg

[graceful pike]

the resident tank / healer

because my god

[forest ferry]

And they did pretty much nothing to improve it

[graceful pike]

it's so

irrelevant

my god

like

they made a mistake with standafast 5

[forest ferry]

Best sun setting support already gives +3 crit
Even SSmorty expansion is more crit

[graceful pike]

so they had to go standfast 9

just to remedy it

[forest ferry]

And they decide red needs self crit more than self atk

[graceful pike]

instead of outright recoil removal

[forest ferry]

Nah SF9 is fine

Tbh you'd never press flare blitz without bulu anyways

[graceful pike]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1/600?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFERQXGBkrLC0vMDI

-2

they really hate us

[forest ferry]

What -2

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1/600?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFERQXGBknKSssLzAy

-1

[graceful pike]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1/600?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFERQXGBkoKywtMDI i mean i can do this but

[forest ferry]

[graceful pike]

he's just

furiously bad

[forest ferry]

Actually I think picking 2nd sync tile is better

Than sf2

[graceful pike]

idk

not good at multipliers

[forest ferry]

Coz I remember SCemmet picks another tile instead of bs2

So his old grid is just soften up

Unless you ditch haymaker

Which halves his nuke

[sturdy glen]

how do i fix this?

the only solution that i can think is dropping fire guard
and using her against kiawe

[rough ginkgo]

Drop team inflict and heal maybe? It only activates when successful

[sturdy glen]

yeah but we have to use it a lot

3 times for every enemy

(assuming no atk boosts)

[rough ginkgo]

It’ll activate like 5 times in a match ig, but some of them may be early on when your allies have full hp

Actually try this (first aid 4 instead of fire guard)

[sturdy glen]

yeah that was my solution

[graceful pike]

hmm

guys

when is the doc getting updated?

like

i swear there's so much to write down

[sturdy glen]

when sages has time i guess...

[onyx crystal]

50 different things going on

[onyx crystal]

Okay I added Linkable's grading, though I haven't had a chance to review them yet. some entries seem pretty sus

[graceful pike]

can you add a few stuff like

let's see

max quake gives team defense

anni N has mind games 9

and so on

[onyx crystal]

🫠

[graceful pike]

[royal tiger]

Tina 😮

[grand perch]

Oh hey grading is out, time to teambuild

[sullen pier]

Is there a reason why Anni N and Serena are ranked D on Flint?

[grand perch]

Hmm, not sure about these teams, but oh well we’ll see what happens

[shy flower]

They're all Linkable's grading until Sages can review them, I think they had a bunch of their reasoning above

[onyx crystal]

Runner thinks a lot more highly of Anni N, S for most of them, except Chili

[grand perch]

Huh weird, the current one just says good for Chili but bad for Flint

[onyx crystal]

We're discussing them amonst helpers.

Though he's free to chime in here.

[shy flower]

Damn I need to become a helper

[onyx crystal]

don't we've been discussing a 3/4 star pair list for 6+ months now

[arctic quest]

[shy flower]

[lone bronze]

Flint being good weirds me out

[sullen pier]

[chilly kayak]

you mean Sinnoh CS didn't already get you used to the idea of him wrecking your supports?

[grand perch]

Dude decided to be good only when he’s the enemy lol

[shy flower]

Flint literally in his villain arc

[lone bronze]

Just flinch him

[graceful pike]

Let's get ready for H.S

Burn, stats dropping, what's there to not like

[cyan tusk]

Which stage are you planning to use her?

[graceful pike]

Anywhere that I lack a stat dropper

So far i have

Dc2 anni N against Kiawe

If i do may i can swap LS to CS2

Probably gonna save Leaf til the end

For flannery

So that makes 3 possible places left

Leon is gonna be main attacker for flint

No doubt

So overall, i do not know

If 2 sun rotations are enougj

Or I have to drop silver against flannery

If silver goes to flannery

Then Hilda goes to that team

[cyan tusk]

I don’t know if silver is good for flannery bc his main strenght is sync move, dps is not that good. I was thinking to put 5/5 SShilda on flannery, dropping the sync nodes for pure dps

[graceful pike]

i am also thinking so

because

hmmm

let's just say I do not trust using NC Leaf as a good idea

[cyan tusk]

Bc sync nuke reduce of 80% means we need to use the nuke as utility

So syncro healing etc

[graceful pike]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/403/49400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBgcIDxITIjIz

[graceful pike]

yeah ik i got 3/5 evelyn just for this

[graceful pike]

hilda pure dps grid btw

in a few days from now

gonna roll the theme skill gears until i get someting half decent

[graceful pike]

probably one of the last few times i'll be competitive

for HS

even though

No AltGloria

or 5/5 Mayziken

or 3/5 Variety Lucas

i swear he has everything

stupefying strike

synchro healing

hell, team brain buff

aka one of the few buffs we actually get access to.

Every eevee pair so far

has made an appearance to some degree

and being godlike in them

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/14900/10501?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFERQVFhgaHB8iJSgrLQ

idk but i feel kiawe needs this

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/12603/25700?s=3&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFCw4YGSMlKSwuMw

probably the best grid for 3/5?

@cyan tusk what's ur take

bc i feel like

sometimes you might run out of speed buffers lmfao

[cyan tusk]

For what specifically

[graceful pike]

HS

biggest nuke possible right there

oh right

tina does NOT go with mayziken in a way?

tina can drop speed so

[cyan tusk]

I might be turning my Vlucas to 3/5 and SShilda to 5/5 keeping Vkiawe at 1/5
Still have to make up my mind

[graceful pike]

vlucas to 3/5 and ss hilda 5/5 is goated

[cyan tusk]

Tina will be too busy using charm and her tm actually

But yeah they should not go together bc they both buff crit

SSMay can go with Leon so that he can take advantage of the defense debuffs

Max quake at -6 def with super eff up will hurt a lot actually

[graceful pike]

idk thinking tina has trip up 9 so lmfao

[cyan tusk]

All those eeveelutions are goated for all endgame content as hs/lg

(Vlyra will be broken also for anabel’s fight lmao)

[forest ferry]

You are using silver to nuke in other stages bicio?

[graceful pike]

no doubt

also

[cyan tusk]

I still have not put myself to team building actually

[graceful pike]

i am really thinking about

giving NC Serena the role cake

because

well, support role cake is always goated

[cyan tusk]

I have a couple of idea but I still have to see if they can all glue together

[graceful pike]

even on characters i hate like petrel

[forest ferry]

Well Id say silver in Flannery is a waste If kiawe didn't block out strikers

Other stages have fire sync so silver nuke is harder to utilise

[cyan tusk]

Electric hs told us that it’s not a problem

[forest ferry]

so silver with another setter?

[cyan tusk]

Silver with ncleaf and grid her for drought alert 3

[forest ferry]

No NCleaf

[cyan tusk]

I was saying go to the mix banner and get her

But the banner does not have masterfairs so rip

Also, Nc leaf is good with anyone so ngl I still don’t know where to put her

[graceful pike]

yeah

probably

anywhere that

doesn't have healing restrict

and

no stat debuffer

i am seriously going for the

nc leaf silver and uuhhh

evelyn core

though

[cyan tusk]

On flannery?

[graceful pike]

skeptical on how gauge would actually work

[graceful pike]

yeah

[cyan tusk]

Or you could use it on chili/Blaine/ and go for SSMorty/SShilda/whatever on flannery

[graceful pike]

still wanting to use that synchro healing

[forest ferry]

I am doing lirida, silver, Flannery for Flannery

[graceful pike]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/20500/24400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFERIVGBocHiEkJigqLQ

[forest ferry]

My Evelyn goes to cerena team for master passive

[graceful pike]

only a few people can get synchro healing

ooof

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/20500/24400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFERIVGBocHiEkJScqLQ

one tanky mf

she does have revenge boost 9 tho

[forest ferry]

Mines running this vs chili

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/20500/24400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhESFRocHyUnKi0

[cyan tusk]

I’m also giving a candy to Evelyn to 3/5

Still waiting for her ex together with Nita

[forest ferry]

This will be funni to use
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/900000/25500?s=5&l=140&r=3&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFhkmKSw

Tho would need stat debuffer like NCleaf or reshiram

[graceful pike]

yeah

torchic just

dies without any help

the only advantage he has over evelyn is speed increase

[graceful pike]

same. 3/5 nita over here

[forest ferry]

Vkiawe+torchic+dps can probs carry Flannery stage depending on dps

Coz reshiram would ideally want to be vs kiawe and NCleaf for any of the fire sync stages

[cyan tusk]

Dps has to set sun on that stage

Don’t forget flannery wants sand removal

[forest ferry]

It's only entry sand no?

I don't remember seeing dust kicker

Fuck
There's extension

[cyan tusk]

[forest ferry]

No sync, only entry sand with 50% extend

OK fuck kiawe
NCleaf+big dps+torchic then

So Gloria alt, NCleaf, torchic for Flannery stage

[cyan tusk]

I just saw ppl getting Tina from mixed banner

[forest ferry]

Ye, it's all limited units so yea

I am poor so I can't gamble

[cyan tusk]

I’ll take the burden and gamble for both

You can thank me later

[shy flower]

Could get Alt Gloria from the Mix banner too

[sullen pier]

imagine gambling

[shy flower]

[arctic quest]

These were my thoughts too

simply manifest that 0.0025% or whatever it is

[shy flower]

Ez

[graceful pike]

so

why are we adding

nc serena and fall roxanne in?

instead of the eggmons?

[sturdy glen]

way more value

altough i don't agree in adding roxanne

[graceful pike]

at least

add a main character

because bonus scores

hell, I'd argue SC Rosa

less evasion on flint and blaine, has heals and debuffs

[true sparrow]

flint doesn't allow heals

we don't have a specific shortage, 15 of the fires are mc or rival, not counting eggs

[sturdy glen]

the criteria is (i think)
being supereffective and having a super utility

serena debuffs many stats, rebuffs twice and has a super nuke

roxanne debuffs and buffs 2 stats and has a great nuke

[cyan tusk]

Serena also helps for the number of hits target

[true sparrow]

roxanne buffs team acc, will revert their evas

alongside any other stat buffed

[cyan tusk]

And it’s super effective against stage 4

[true sparrow]

buffs team def and speed

[cyan tusk]

It’s basically the equivalent of Nc leaf in last hs

[true sparrow]

can debuff atk

she's the perfect counter of blaine

[sturdy glen]

yeah i thought it was obvious my bad

[sturdy glen]

oh right she counters evasiveness

[royal tiger]

is this teams setup for hse fire good enough for 180k? :o?

NC Leaf will probably be fine at 300~400 right? o-o?

[true sparrow]

I think leaf is being very wasted there

as is Gloria

[royal tiger]

my Blaine and Flint team are fine then + Chili?

[true sparrow]

well Gloria should be Vs Flint

[cyan tusk]

Don’t you have AnniN? Bc challenger Gloria against kiawe seems like a waste bc she’s is physical

[royal tiger]

uhm wait a bit

yeah no Anni N

[true sparrow]

I would place Leaf Vs Kiawe

[cyan tusk]

I’d say challenger Gloria could go against flint bc of flying weakness

[royal tiger]

i'm not too good with Challenger Gloria, i just hit things with her Pyro Ball :<

[cyan tusk]

It’s time to bounce

[true sparrow]

do that but use flying sync on center

and all good

[cyan tusk]

Or high jump kick on flannery

[royal tiger]

something like this then?

[cyan tusk]

For me V kiawe and Nc Leaf should not stay in the same team

They are the best fire debuffer rn

[royal tiger]

hum

[true sparrow]

Kiawe is not adding anything to flannery, change for Hilda or someone that does dmg

[royal tiger]

SS Hilda? or base Hilda? :o?

[true sparrow]

both

why are you not using either

[royal tiger]

Flying Gloria -3 Sync Countdown huh hmm

if you run out of bounces, that's it? D:?

then sync with her?

[outer whale]

🤨

[forest ferry]

S+ for fall Roxanne vs Blaine

now where rei S+ vs Flannery

[royal tiger]

off-type? 😮

[forest ferry]

mid is fighting weak

He has 100% flinch

And extend range b move

[sullen pier]

Isnt his sync good too

[forest ferry]

And also sprint ex to faster dps

Yes

The stage doesn't favor nuke

So sprint ex accels noticable

[true sparrow]

I don't think rei is as good as these 2, but he might be an option

[sullen pier]

I think he is S, not S+

I see his sync has value too

[true sparrow]

since flannery mandates you to bring sun

your fire will naturally have 1.5x, while an "off-type" won't have their field effect

[forest ferry]

stage only requires 1 time sun
No dust kicker

It's entry sand

[true sparrow]

you still need to bring sun

making that super effective isn't as big since sun might just make your fire unit do more dmg

[forest ferry]

Fish for self buffs first 2 moves , then rei gets to flinch with bmove post sync

After that sand leaves

[royal tiger]

who'd has a better DPS, Base Hilda or Silver?

[forest ferry]

Both are similar range

[true sparrow]

Hilda if she has sun

[forest ferry]

But silver bring sun, Hilda for potion

[royal tiger]

hum. can run them both with SS Morty, and Hilda gets healed by SS Morty? 😮

[true sparrow]

they're not similar range, not after her upgrade

he might get closer due to theme skills 'tho

[royal tiger]

something like this for VS Flannery?

[true sparrow]

you can drop one standfast

[forest ferry]

potion > standfast 5

[true sparrow]

or maybe even 2

[true sparrow]

they have extension 5, it's lasting till their sync

[forest ferry]

Gradual healing will offset recoil as long as SF9 is gridded

[true sparrow]

High Score has high defenses, so recoil dmg is mitigated a lot

and you naturally have SS Morty so it's kinda a lot of sustain

[royal tiger]

master healer or just mp potion? :o?

[true sparrow]

I would go just with mpr, but you can get mh if you want

about the dps, with theme skills Silver's will match Hilda's

[royal tiger]

Just Fire .-.;

[royal tiger]

that 8 en +20 ATK ooof

looks solid though

[gentle thistle]

If debuffers + super effective are being considered to the rank, for Flannery we have C.Hop, Rei and SC Diantha and for Flint we have Lodge Serena as possibilities

[outer whale]

@onyx crystal i know you're busy with other things, but I think you messed up on Anni N's rating since he has the same rating as Serena.

Anni N for me was SSSAA at the time
Serena's was AADAA

[true sparrow]

It's not just debuffer, debuffing offensive stats bring survivability which diantha or hop don't offer, they're also just not a good fit since they're mainly strong due to their nuke which doesn't apply to the stage in question.

[onyx crystal]

fixed

[grand perch]

OHH I thought that was weird LMAO

[rustic summit]

i'm excited to dust off anni n for this

[signal needle]

Ok ratings out?

Why tf Ethan has worse scores than Flint

Excusez moi

[onyx crystal]

Fire Blast > Eruption

[signal needle]

And somehow got a fall roxanne there

[onyx crystal]

Extremely good on-type non-fire options are being considered

[signal needle]

Oh right ground

[onyx crystal]

If I recall correctly rank 1 electric HS has ncLeaf

[signal needle]

Mm

[onyx crystal]

If someone has a link to rank 1 electric team, ping me

Water was runner

[maiden canopy]

I know there was a link of the R1 team, but I don't remember

[sturdy glen]

so are sc!diantha and c!hop good?

[sturdy glen]

https://fxtwitter.com/potechiDSlove/status/1706930554447536255

[maiden canopy]

Ah, there we go

[grand perch]

lol

[signal needle]

wonder what kind of team we have to build to achieve the same score as the NC Blue + SS Hau + EV Kris combo last time

[sullen pier]

SS Morty NC Leaf SS May/SS Hilda i think

[signal needle]

SS morty EV Lucas and Anni N

[sullen pier]

[signal needle]

no synchro healing and infinitte sun

[forest ferry]

SSmorty is our NCblue this time

[onyx crystal]

Tentative ones

[sullen pier]

SS Morty is the infinite sun

(if he procs SD million times)

[forest ferry]

his reset condition is just sun and potion MPR anyways

He already maxes defenses without TM MPR

Tho I doubt he needs potion MPR anyways with all that passive healing and atk down from NCleaf

[signal needle]

im not competing for top 1000 this time even tho i'll be in it

cus i dont hv Thief gloria NC leaf or SS may and every other good fire unit is 1/5

[forest ferry]

I dunno if I can even get t200

Fire is too limited heavy and I am missing most of the major ones

SSred was too good to roll any fire unit for me ironically

[sturdy glen]

So... from this list, what do you think has an head start?

[true sparrow]

Only c serena

[sturdy glen]

why no hop or rei?

[sullen pier]

Hop absolutely needs sync

[sturdy glen]

dammit

[true sparrow]

you didn't check rei

[sturdy glen]

oh my bad i forgot to say
"ignore the checks because it from my track list"

[sullen pier]

isnt Fall Roxanne considered another good option too?

[sturdy glen]

yes

[forest ferry]

dojo might be usable vs chili
Fighting and water weak

And also drops defense to counter stage gimmick

[true sparrow]

Fall Roxanne I would consider if at least 3/5, but I think she's only really worth it if she has ex role

Rei, I'm not sure how worth it will be, I think he's a good pick, just not sure it ends up paying off points wise

[forest ferry]

He has nuke and guaranteed flinch in his bmove

[sturdy glen]

i think that for 180k it can definitely be considered

[true sparrow]

sure

[forest ferry]

180k is joke

You can do 180k with smth like bea

[true sparrow]

he doesn't bring offensive debuffs, so for higher points it will jsut get to a point where sync oneshots you and him being super effective or flinchign won't change that

[sturdy glen]

oh wait... my bad my final end
is to add stuff on the grade list

[true sparrow]

and you do need to get higher strength to make a 2x worth it over 3x

[forest ferry]

SSTred did 700 str in water HS without type advantage and offensive debuffs
Being big damage alone will carry you through

[true sparrow]

sst red is nowhere near being big damage alone

and I'm not sure which stage you're talking about but he did have type advantage vs misty at least

[forest ferry]

Rei has better dps than terrain red

I used him vs lana

It's not even flinch hax or anything

It's pure dps

[true sparrow]

and I'm sure you made use of Red's huge nuke

which Rei cannot count with

[forest ferry]

Yes
Just like rei's bmove

That thing hits harder than any fire unit in sun for that stage

[true sparrow]

no it doesn't

[forest ferry]

Except maybe sshilda who does pure St

Without any aoe

[true sparrow]

Leon has the highest dps first of all

2nd, that 700 points equals less than 500 points of 3 fire

[true sparrow]

you can see here a nearly 1k str is a lot less than a 700 one

the unit needs to very heavily beat all the fire to make itself worth it

[forest ferry]

By that logic
Cerena isn't beating out other fire units either

You can still being atk down units with rei to make him work....which fire has quite some options

Other than leon and gloria fire has no instant big nuke to sweep with sync -80 condition

[true sparrow]

you need sp.atk down, her sync is special

[forest ferry]

Wait......what

Rock special

[true sparrow]

there's a chance Serena won't beat other fire units, but she brings one of the highest nukes with double rebuff

[outer whale]

We could also take into acount SCSteven

if we decided to go Ontype on specific fire units

[true sparrow]

not a fan

only Leon and Gloria can abuse it and they're already sorta comfortable

Serena carries a stage

[outer whale]

SSMay Low Sweep DPS Real.

but real talk, not only that will help, but he also gives you the debuff points you need making it easier for you to score higher despite the x2 bonus instead of x3

[royal tiger]

1000 strength clemont? D:?!

Oh with Hau as well. Interesting

[true sparrow]

hau is there 'cause he's alola

[royal tiger]

3/5 Nemona too ooof.

[sturdy glen]

yeah i would like to put in the grade list stuff as much as we can

[graceful pike]

HUH

ẹven the top 1 uses off type units

[sturdy glen]

it depends

[graceful pike]

damn

alright bois i'm going NC Serena

against chili

[onyx crystal]

If you can dramatically increase stage strength, it is worth using

[graceful pike]

like

nc serena can

it's worth

she got the flinches and debuffs

i believe stalling is the key to winning hard battles

[onyx crystal]

I don’t know if top 10 can have two or three non-fires (overall).

[sturdy glen]

@onyx crystal from this list (ignore the checks)
what do you think it can be added to the grading sheet?

[onyx crystal]

Well if I had time I’d fill out the columns in the right >.>

What do you think should be added?

[graceful pike]

I would say just one

[cyan tusk]

Try without her, and see where you get. If you score more than 300/350 with her, it’s worth using actually

[graceful pike]

Nc serena is worth it

Too bad her ex role cannot come soon enough

Sadge

[cyan tusk]

Also do keep in mind that using nc serena will also help you in advance to free other units/dps for other stages

[sturdy glen]

personally i'd say only rei
maybe cynthia renegade too

[cyan tusk]

One off type for each stage is enough to advice

[onyx crystal]

I’d assume ssKorrina would be the top ghost choice.

[cyan tusk]

Plz keep in mind you need to score at least 300/350 strenght more going offtype to rebalance the x2 instead of x3

[sturdy glen]

as a 3/5 korrina enjoyer
i wouldnt say that

[cyan tusk]

Renegade Cynthia has debuffs to increase points

SSkorinna has stat stealing

[onyx crystal]

Wouldn’t Theif count as debuffing?

[cyan tusk]

Nope

You count debuffs as the total stat debuffed when the enemy faints, so all the lowered stats

The negatives

[onyx crystal]

What does the paste say? Cause the infographic says “stat decreases” if I recall correctly it did count stat buffs that were lost and regained as new increases

[sturdy glen]

my point is that cynthia has a master passive
to help the second damage dealer

korrina doesn't and this also limits a bit her dps
on the other side she has evasiveness
to deal more easily with sides
when instead cynthia has limited force uses

also on a more basic level...
cynthia can debuff up to -6
korrina only up to 0

[onyx crystal]

I’m wondering if removing the offensive buffs is better for survival

But maybe you’re getting one shot regardless

[sturdy glen]

maybe... but at this point a dedicated debuffer is better

[onyx crystal]

I’ll add them.

[graceful pike]

I hard agree with rei

Because of the flinch

[onyx crystal]

But not sure if they’re S, do they counter anything in particular from those stages?

[graceful pike]

Actualt

If we are adding

Why not Halloween Morty.

His burn is quite nice

[sturdy glen]

both korrina and cynthia
neutralize kiawe smart cookie

[graceful pike]

And also, NC Blue. You cannot go wrong with him

Lowering stats, being an absolute unit, flinching

[onyx crystal]

Farty ain’t getting on this list, lol.

[sturdy glen]

bruh he has trash dmg

[graceful pike]

I don't have him so XD

[cyan tusk]

Nc blue is good for almost every stage so he’s not countering any specific except for flint

[graceful pike]

Also

I do believe

NC Blue can salvage Ethan by quite a lot

[sturdy glen]

yeah some supports like
NC blue and bede should be considered too

[graceful pike]

Because of his insane healing

And well, flinch always help

Honestly if we are adding offtype choices

The really good ones

I want one of the main prerequisites is that

They MUST have a flinch ability

Offtyping means going for ridiculous amounts of points

Meaning you will eventually need time to setup

That is where the flinch comes into play

Which is why nc serena and rei are perfect actually

Main character, does debuff well with flinches

And also, mainly because only and few fire types have flinch in the first place

If they don't have at least those things, they are not that worth considering

[graceful pike]

Take the 1000 points nc blue clear back from the electric hs days

You must do aoe flinch right out of the gate or the clear is doomed

Some might say i am overrating flinch, and i will admit to that.

[onyx crystal]

I don’t want to list too many non-fire options, unless they are extremely good.

[graceful pike]

But honestly, there is a reason why bosses gain that resillance shield. Flinching is just too good

[graceful pike]

Outright broken tbh

That is why idk what to say about halloween Roxanne

[sturdy glen]

im not sure if korrina niche can be worth noticing
because evasiveness vs shadow force can be huge

[graceful pike]

For her to be like

S+

Meanwhile NC Serena is 100% worth it

Same with Rei

[onyx crystal]

She’s just the best ground option, compared to the rest. But as runner said, you probably need strike ex role.

[graceful pike]

Yeah.

[onyx crystal]

You mean dodging with SF?

[sturdy glen]

yeah

SF has limited uses

4 at 3/5 iirc

3 + sync quickening 1 my bad