High Score

[atomic rain]

thats more so cuz the game forces you to in this kind of event

[rich mango]

that's fair. I like the planning/strategizing/sequencing tbh

are there any low RNG off-type teams that can do 1k str?

[atomic rain]

lol no

1k strength will always be extremely rng heavy

[azure idol]

It's not that RNG heavy

[atomic hamlet]

could be possible I guess, it's a very long run so you'll be missing out on 1 sync buffs worth of damage for a while, as well as Elesa not doing as much damage, and at that point i'd start worrying if elesa survives marnie's sync

[azure idol]

I mean Quaggles did 1k without sync critting

[atomic rain]

doesnt sselesa just die to crunch

[atomic hamlet]

sselesa shouldn't be tanking when there's an ncblue on the team

[atomic rain]

right forgot

[tardy quartz]

Tbf, i’ve been trying the same team basically but Hau instead of SS Elesa

[atomic hamlet]

i see

[tardy quartz]

So I already know what’s going on, i’m just getting horrendous luck

[azure idol]

I did that run in 1 hour, if that's RNG heavy for you then this type of content is not for you

[atomic hamlet]

no way for me to try it so no better person to find out than you

[blazing birch]

LG players be like

[tardy quartz]

I shall attempt then

[chilly flame]

Who did you use it on?

[azure idol]

Btw I think TM MPR is better if anyone's pushing for better score

[tardy quartz]

My hau run has gone 5 hours with 1 close run (I lost to not getting a flinch for 2 turns)

[atomic rain]

ok maybe im just jaded cuz last hs 500 str misty took 10 hours to clear

[azure idol]

I mean it's 5 battles in 2 weeks

[round stone]

so much activity... much more than active LG

[shy flower]

I mean, this is only the second HS event and its still pretty new

Plus, the medal is a thing instead of just bragging rights

[azure idol]

No shit ppl are less scared to participate in 5 battles instead if 100 lol

[round stone]

aren't these stages technically harder tho?

[atomic rain]

for medal reqs id definitely argue its pretty rough

[azure idol]

18k is harder than 10x LG streak yeah

[atomic rain]

well tbh

what is easier than 10x streak

aside from like regular events

[azure idol]

12.5k CS

[atomic rain]

thats debatable

[blazing birch]

it really isn't

CS is not intended as an endgame content

so it is naturally easier than the actual intended game content

[atomic hamlet]

10x streak is harder when little timmy doesn't understand why their ss serena is doing 0 damage vs latias

[blazing birch]

I have seen that post on reddit

[atomic rain]

then thats literally a reading issue

if you are exclusively hitting 10 streak every lg it is imo easier than cs

because you know what to expect every time

unless you’re brand new

[atomic hamlet]

i'm not here to argue which is hardee i just wanted to say something stupid lol excuse me

[blazing birch]

then explain all the moltres complains from last month

[round stone]

skill issue:

[cunning shore]

From my personal experience

First on Elesa then on Nemona
After that (if you're lucky) you probably will want to use it to be able to endure/tank Syncs

This is me going fully unga bunga though

[blazing birch]

you are not wrong but I didn't want to be the one saying it

[cunning shore]

Pain in the ass tbh, that moltres

[atomic rain]

i mean i suck at the game and i didnt have that much trouble against tres

[azure idol]

Emma with 288k strength chilling in the war of whales, I wish we could see their teams

[atomic rain]

i feel like you missed a zero there

[lean cove]

Here are my electric units. I'll knock off some strength points.

[azure idol]

Your electric is STACKED bro

[cunning shore]

You can clear lots bro

Will have to get some 140s though

[lean cove]

let's see what will be necessary

[azure idol]

You can literally watch Bicio or Quaggles' video, copy their teams and tune down the strengths by 300

[rich mango]

you have a really strong electric roster. my guess is 280k total points should be more than enough for top 10k medal

[atomic rain]

water hs cutoff was 237k

i feel like electric is gonna be lower due to gen pool kinda sucking ass

but then again

you got rats havers

[lean cove]

I was comfortably in the 10k for the last one as well and fell off like the last 3 hours as people grinded out the rank

[atomic rain]

thats honestly your fault for not paying attention

or like

at least pushing higher

you really dont wanna be close to the cutoff for this kind of stuff since there will always be people scrambling last minute

[lean cove]

I didn't know how to push it more

[cunning shore]

This is my very first run (I was messing around and testing all 3 Master units in 1 team)
You can basically do better in literally every stage. And it will give you easy 280k

For optimized runs copy the top runners(in pins), anything that feels too RNG you can swap for something less

[main pulsar]

i like how you demolished elesa

very overkill

[atomic rain]

shes an ass

deserved

[cunning shore]

•You got SSHau and NC blue for Marnie
•Ash and two Lackeys for Clemont
•So many options for Elesa, as long as you para
•Marnie and AoE Nuke for Volkner
•SSTred for Surge

[cunning shore]

Idk why but I decided it needs to be her.

[atomic rain]

shes the hardest boss

[cunning shore]

Maybe because everytime her banner is running i am poor.

[atomic rain]

and also wants paralysis

[lean cove]

everyone seems to be running Ampharos for Volkner. But what do I replace with if I don't have that unit or even know what it does?

[atomic rain]

its a mostly special stage with facade

so like

[cunning shore]

You can do BP surge or Sonia if N is in that stage with Marnie

[atomic rain]

lodge elesa is fine

[rich mango]

lodge elesa is a good replacement at lower strengths. or swap bp clemont maybe

[cunning shore]

Probably will need lodge elesa for Clemont

But all possible

[atomic rain]

i just killed him

[lean cove]

So for Surge, I can do SSTRed, Clemont/Magenton, and Elesa/Zebstrika?

[cunning shore]

He deserves it with all his thunder spam
Dude has parabolic but spams thunder nonstop

[cunning shore]

I would keep Elesa/Zebra for another stage as shes reallllyy a good stage nuker 5/5

Red can take care of himself

My suggested team would be

But you can tone down the STR a bit

This was 575

[lean cove]

oh right, I was gonna fall back to Togedemaru

man, EXing lodge/BP units seems like such a flex. is it worth it to do so?

[cunning shore]

Try without at lower STR, then if you feel you need that extra OMPH go for it

Why I say at lowet STR is to not struggle and use up many resources but still can get a good score

[lean cove]

wait, I get penalized if a unit faints, right?

[cunning shore]

No

You suffer in battle for it though

[rich mango]

with your roster, you shouldn't need to if you're only going for medal.
maybe try these teams as a starting point:

• vs Surge: SST Red + Sophocles (A. Golem) + BP Clemont ~300-400 STR
• vs Volkner: Marnie + Elesa (Zebstrika) + Lodge Elesa ~250~350 STR
• vs Elesa: N + Surge (Raichu) + Sonia ~200-300 STR
• vs Clemont: Ash + MC (Potion grid Pikachu) + SS Elesa ~300-400 STR
• vs Marnie: Hau + SS Hau + NC Blue ~300-500 STR

[shy flower]

Most Lodge and BP units are pretty good. There are usually better options, but if you have extra resources or they're a fav, there's no harm in doing it

[sage galleon]

Didn't mean to get this high

[cunning shore]

Offtypes too

[lean cove]

Thanks. I'll use this is a starting point

[sage galleon]

With my roster, it was my only option lmao

[lean cove]

Just tried +550 on Surge and there's no way I can do that. I'm getting one-shotted and doing no damage

[shy flower]

Start at like 200

[cunning shore]

I would use Sophocles Togdmaru in first stage, flinches and trip up so good for Red (also the more you debuff the more you score)

[shy flower]

Go up from there by bits and pieces

[cunning shore]

Me who thinks going 50 up at a time is the only way

[shy flower]

Oh I do the same

[lean cove]

opponent sync wipes out the team while they're all still at half HP

just gotta keep going down on the points I guess...

would support sync have cinched it?

[rocky harbor]

Guys can anyone here help me

[maiden canopy]

Somehow, my 550 STR Surge clear is slightly worse than my 525 STR clear

[rich mango]

you can try all the battles at 150 STR first. then adjust based on how easy/hard it felt with your units

[maiden canopy]

Probably because of the stuff BP Clemont did

[rocky harbor]

Is this a good team for elesa?

[maiden canopy]

A lot of the top teams used SST Red for Surge

[rocky harbor]

oh i just thought this would be good cause someone told me to use red for elesa

[maiden canopy]

The reason why people recommend SST Red on Elesa is because of his B Move paralyzing everyone and Elesa has damage mitigation when she's not statused (ailment or interference)

[lean cove]

Ugh, no way I'm going to +300 strength. Just gonna have to level up Red a bit unfortunately...

[unreal rose]

I would save volkner for a different battle

[rocky harbor]

So no volkner and no sst red for elesa

[maiden canopy]

@onyx crystal
Surge: 550

• Grids: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=003500010100&s0=5&l0=140&r0=4&p0=10&a0=13010602&t0=44411&g0=AAECAwQFBgcICQwREhUWGBobHiMkJSYo&v1=000002002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBggKCwwPHSAjJSksLQ&v2=003600077700&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44111&g2=AAECAwQFBggLDhAVHB4fIiMl

Volkner: 375

• Grids: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=025900083500&s0=5&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010301&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFExQVFhgZJikrLC0&v1=008900064400&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFFB8hJCUqKywtLi8wMw&v2=013100008200&s2=3&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=24011701&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFBgcICQsOEBMUFRobHCYoKi0

Elesa: 425

• Grids: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=2&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=21010101&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFBgcICQoNERITFBobHB0gJSYn&v1=013100069500&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBgkKCw4REhQXHiEuLw&v2=009800002601&s2=5&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFBgcRExQVFhgaHB4hJCUmKCkq

Clemont: 290

• Grids: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=003500002600&s0=3&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=24010401&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDhARGhsdICMk&v1=010600052300&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBwkMHyInKSwvMDEyMw&v2=900000002500&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=0&t2=44&g2=AAECAwQFHyEkJicpKiwt

Marnie: 450

• Grids: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=010600059500&s0=3&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=21010101&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFBgcICQsOEBESGhsdICMk&v1=026400002500&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFDA8RFxobHyIoKy4v&v2=011500040500&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFHR4fIiMlJykqLQ

[rocky harbor]

So basically

I have to ex everyone

[maiden canopy]

Depends

Do you want to aim high or just get all the rewards?

[rocky harbor]

both i want the medal

[maiden canopy]

Is this your full electric roster?

[rocky harbor]

Yeah 16 pairs

But i can get more from bp shop

If thats needed

[maiden canopy]

Hmmmm

[cunning shore]

I think you might struggle a bit

[maiden canopy]

Hold on Sages, lemme put in my grids

[lean cove]

1,313/3000 for time
625/3000 for stat decreases
just how much do they want...

[cunning shore]

Don't look at the stat decrease as (I need to hit 3000) look at it as extra points you get for doing it

As for time, honestly I ignore that completely

You will need to finish your stages around 2 enemy sync moves anyways

Or you die

[lean cove]

oh, it looks like it does penalize you for that

so because my Clemont didn't make it, all his stat decreases didn't count?

[cunning shore]

No, it counts. The thingie is bugged

Even last HS, whoever was buffed counted even after fainting.
It would be absolutely unfair if they penalized that.

[lean cove]

I'm pretty sure it did work last time

because I remember seeing my scores crater when I would have someone faint and then stay high if they were all alive by the end of the battle

[cunning shore]

Nah, there was no penalization for fainting because it specifically said it counts the buffs that your mon had right before fainting (last event)

And in this event it says something similar

[lean cove]

well, let's see how the next battle goes and if everyone stays alive for that one

[cunning shore]

Something like this. (It means opposition, not allied, I believe.)

Applogems when

[maiden canopy]

@onyx crystal
#1128052735967764621 message

I got demoted 5 spots immediately within the span of 15 minutes

Hotdamn

Hmmmm, I just realized I removed EleSSa from my comps, now I don't know where to place her

[round stone]

yeah she's kinda wierd to slot in

[lean cove]

the point recommendations I was given really don't lie

as I shamefully go down to +250 for Volkner now...

[maiden canopy]

Don't worry, I got 290 on Clemont

[lean cove]

Zebstrika EX Sync just doesn't do damage
off-typing stinks

[atomic rain]

and now you see why high score is actually hard

[lean cove]

I never said it wasn't hard

[maiden canopy]

More like the lack of units makes it so, but aiming high is still RNG heavy

[kind condor]

This high score event is crazy

[maiden canopy]

Somehow, I was able to score higher here than my previous event

[kind condor]

This is my first high score event 😅

Any tips?

[maiden canopy]

First question: How good is your electric roster?

[kind condor]

Average

[maiden canopy]

Do you have the 2 major electric powerhouses last year?

[kind condor]

Have Ash and redchu

And zapdos

[maiden canopy]

Ah, then you're practically set for the master rank even if you use off-type units as supports for the other teams

But let's see your electric roster first

[kind condor]

My sup not able to handle the atks tho

Wait a min

[lean cove]

this is impossible!
how am I supposed to defeat the sides here first?

[maiden canopy]

Against who?

[lean cove]

still on Volkner

[rich mango]

usually EX Elesa sync should clear the sides with 2 syncs. you may need to re-grid for Inertia+Brawn Sync, etc if you don't have

[lean cove]

I don't think Lodge Elesa, Elesa/Zebstrika, Marnie/Morpeko are going to make it

[earnest fulcrum]

Is this roster good enough ? And what teams would you recommend for each opponent ?

[lean cove]

she does have that grid too

[lean cove]

syncs are doing no damage

[rich mango]

maybe swap Elesa for Volkner as tank, and see if Marnie can solo dps

[kind condor]

I did try first time and only got to ultra 1

My electric roster is bad it seems lol

[maiden canopy]

If it weren't for Ash and Red's move levels and some of your units' missing potential, that roster can prolly reach the top 500 (as of right now)

[candid cobalt]

Yeahh

[lean cove]

This is after sync 2

[candid cobalt]

And this roster looks really good tbh

[kind condor]

@maiden canopy can u tell me what team to use each opponent

[maiden canopy]

Hmmmmm

[kind condor]

Just need 180

180k points

[maiden canopy]

So you're not aiming high then

[kind condor]

Nope. M casual player now

😅

[rich mango]

see if you can add Electrifying: Fleet Foot 2 on Elesa/Zeb grid
example grid for reference:
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/10600/52300?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkMHiYpLC4wMTIzNQ

[maiden canopy]

Honestly, with the limited units you have, you can probably make 5 random teams and still get 180k pts., but make sure to at least spread out your limited units

[kind condor]

@maiden canopy yeah, but which one to use at which opponent

I hate off typing

U can just give me tips what striker and tech to use on each opponent

[maiden canopy]

Ok

[lean cove]

alright, barely managed to win with 42,999 points on that one

too bad I couldn't land a paralysis

[lean cove]

ah darn it, I had a different grid
I thought I had fleet feet on mine and that sync tile may have helped a bit too...

[maiden canopy]

Use SST Red on Surge because his B Move ignores endure effect. BP Clemont on Volkner because he has X Evasion All after his 1st sync. Classic Elesa on Elesa because Elesa has damage mitigation if not statused, and Nuzzle + Viral Hit 9 will disable that. OG Elesa on Clemont because she's EX-ed and tech units get a massive handicap. Ash on Marnie because physical damage is massively hampered

[kind condor]

I can even get marnie Or zekrom with that free one. But it will take some days

[maiden canopy]

Tho I guess you can use OG Clemont on Volkner because of Piercing Gaze

[kind condor]

Oky thanks

Now which pair will be better: N or marnie

[maiden canopy]

That would be a question in #poma-questions

[kind condor]

I mean for this event

[maiden canopy]

Still

[kind condor]

I think I will take waifu over legendary

[maiden canopy]

Since you're not really aiming high this event, you can pick whoever you want

[lean cove]

wow, Elesa is impossible post-sync
just starts sniping you with Quick Attacks lol

[maiden canopy]

When a 30 PP move hurts more than a 10 PP move

[lean cove]

okay 45,318 points, not bad I guess...

[rich mango]

room for improvement

[lean cove]

is there? I got lucky towards the end

[rich mango]

for higher strength, you can instant restart fights if the opponent opens with their stronger 3-bar move

it matters a lot for damage taken. kinda grindy, but can be fun if you push for improvement/optimization

[lean cove]

it's the damage output that's always the problem
just too slow

[kind condor]

The #1 in the rank has like 450k points. That like triple of my points

[rich mango]

hm, you can consider upgrading some support EX or level up units as needed

[lean cove]

that was my only battle with EX support so far! I'm surprised how little it mattered

oh great, Ash gets one-shotted in the Clemont battle now...

[rich mango]

one of his trainer moves gives damage guard (which halves sync damage)

[maiden canopy]

With damage guard?

[lean cove]

after sync

[maiden canopy]

Does he have his damage guard active?

[lean cove]

how does he get that?

[main pulsar]

the trainer move

not done yet

well he says not done yet i think but you get the point

[maiden canopy]

Do you actually not know that?

[lean cove]

oh the recovery one that I wanted to use after he took damage

I hardly ever use Ash, I don't remember all the quirks

[maiden canopy]

It's better used if it's on the sync

[tardy quartz]

Can’t wait for tomorrow when there is an Electric weak CS stage

[lean cove]

okay he survives that way

[tardy quartz]

Going from 1,000 strength off type to on type MM is gonna feel strange

[maiden canopy]

Time to use my N

[main pulsar]

i just wish

that it was super effective

its frustrating for like lyssandre

cuz he just gets it naturally

[maiden canopy]

You mean all the parameters except for the x3 pairs take damage and Physical or Special Damage Reduction 8

[main pulsar]

and it just sits there

and also im so used to ontyping and haering the noise and effect

like just double their hp i dont mind

[lean cove]

okay 52,755 points, that's fine

[maiden canopy]

How many points you have total now?

[lean cove]

197,661

[maiden canopy]

Is that everyone done or there are still some remaining?

[lean cove]

just got Marnie left

[main pulsar]

they prolly just want the rewards yeah?

[lean cove]

darn, I was thinking Marnie was gonna be easy, but yet another 1-shot sync lose condition

[main pulsar]

no its not

just dotn get paralyzed

see sages this is why we should pin it

[lean cove]

oh it's not very clear about that up front

[maiden canopy]

Thunder Wave pre-sync

[main pulsar]

pre

[lean cove]

they like doing that

NC Blue just has to not die before that happens

[main pulsar]

what the

that doesnt sound right

🤔

what str is this

[lean cove]

+320 lol

[main pulsar]

hm

dont think he should die that easily

[lean cove]

them Seed Bombs

I might redo this one later

[rich mango]

NC Blue Roost heals a lot, and cures status/paralysis

you can try resets for first-turn flinch too

[lean cove]

I got lucky this time the opponent never did Thunder Wave

[maiden canopy]

It will ruin quadqueueing tho

[lean cove]

Okay, I'm satisfied with how this turned out. Thanks again, everyone. Overall, it was not as stressful or frustrating as the water one.

[rich mango]

I've only experienced it ruining quad-queueing with sync accel from SS Elesa TM (I think enemy resilience proc interrupts quad-queue window)
it shouldn't affect regular first sync cycle, I think?

[azure idol]

I busted my ass to increase my Clemont clear strength by 10, and ended up scoring 500 points less

[mortal timber]

The wonders of fewer attacks rule

In a nutshell

After I am done with some stuff in the morning I'll continue the grind, I can improve a bit more on Volkner and slightly on Elesa

After that I am done and I can share teams

Think I can overtake few more people to try and stay in top 10

[signal needle]

ye i also realised how that peaks

[forest ferry]

I did 20 more strength than you on that fight and have 300 less pts

[shy flax]

Same thing happened to me - the extra time and attacks hurts your score 😦

[forest ferry]

Well I ain't going through reset hell again anyways

[rich mango]

C. Elesa + Ash + BP Clemont (or BP Elesa?) might be highest points team vs Clemont
C. Elesa Light Screen helps vs enemy sync, and E. Terrain for more damage (you can survive terrain-boosted enemy sync with Light Screen and SpA debuffs)
I managed to get 83100 points on 650 STR (but needed fully paralyzed RNG on the sides near the end)
(~4:40 time, 26 stat decreases, 28 total attacks)

[forest ferry]

Celesa better used vs elesa if you have her

Since the stage is hardcountered by her

[rich mango]

vs elesa is physical though. can grid 4/5N with HE4 to individually para

[forest ferry]

HE4 zekrom loses like 2 sync tiles

And no debuffs

Elesa also hits hella hard due to high BP moves so you need the debuffs

Clemont barely does damage pre sync and post sync you can take thunder and still not die

With electric guard

So spamming potions means your tank outlives longer

And potion = no atk

[rich mango]

vs Elesa is all single-target post-sync. I had endurance gridded on Sonia instead of second potion MPR or something

but yeah, HE4 is not worth if you have 5/5 zekrom

I conveniently had only 4/5 😅

[forest ferry]

Wdym not worth
You still need paralysis

Elesa stage has 80% dmg miti

[rich mango]

4/5 N can grab all 6 sync nodes and HE4

spend first few turns paralyzing each target while Sonia fishes for TM MPR

with 5/5 N, you have to sac some +25 sync nodes for his 5/5 boost node

[forest ferry]

Still

Not worth

Reminder 80% stat down for techs vs clemont

Celesa won't even live long enuff

[rich mango]

throwing ideas for different teams and strategies out there

[forest ferry]

Did you try celesa vs clemont at like 600+ str?

Giving ideas is nice but stage conditions tho

[rich mango]

650 STR vs Clemont

3200 points for battle rules (~4:40 time for 1050/3000, 26 stat decreases for 500/3000, 28 total attacks for 1650/3000)

[forest ferry]

She lives through parabolic charge barrage?

[rich mango]

no, you have to reset on those

she faints on enemy sync

ideally BP clemont survives enemy sync with endurance still up

and Ash carries the rest of the fight with endurance hax

[forest ferry]

You don't get to use max lightning?

[rich mango]

I used before 2nd sync (with Ash) iirc. Ash survives the terrain-boosted enemy sync with light screen up, SpA debuffs, and SpD buffs

without needing sync damage guard. ideally that redbars Ash and gives the +2 SMUN and pinch push (optionally)

the team comp is basically focused on maxing Ash's B Thunderbolt and sync damage

[forest ferry]

Wait
Does zekrom rly need HE4 if you can just rely on volkner's para?

[rich mango]

too many resets at 50% para chance

since you have to reset for Sonia MPR and flinch too

[forest ferry]

But I was resetting through 40% para HE1 zekrom

[rich mango]

oh right, I had Head Start 1 LS on both C. Elesa and BP Clemont. that's really important to get first sync early (sorry, forgot to mention)
EDIT: grids I used if anyone wants to try modifying or pushing the score higher

[rich mango]

how rng is the vs Surge clear with SST Red, Surge/Electrode, and Sophocles/Togemedaru?

[forest ferry]

Very

You gotta pray surge never dies before sync and you want one paralysis proc from sides post sync

[rich mango]

thanks! any required flinches?

on specific turns I mean

[forest ferry]

Flinch first 2 turns

Then x spl def

And flinch or pray right side doesn't do damage move

You need atleast +4 spl def and -4 spl atk to keep soph alive

-6 spl atk means even surge might remain alive depending on HP
But surge remaining alive isn't as necessary

[rich mango]

thanks. wondering if I can get by without having to EX Surge/Electrode

[rich mango]

this version of that team vs Surge at 550 STR scares me tbh. feels like god-tier evasion rng needed

[knotty dew]

Still top 1000!

[signal needle]

someone stop me from resetting my entire set of 5 clears just so i can play around with Mirror matches

[azure idol]

I'm this close to 400k damnit

[signal needle]

[cyan tusk]

you can do it

Wen family pic

[azure idol]

How do you use flinch in your Sonia team? Is there any specific turn to fish for flinch?

[cyan tusk]

Elek abandoned us for the 1st place lmao

[cyan tusk]

First for sure, and any additional post sync flinch helps

[azure idol]

Do you use Celesa TM before first sync then?

[cyan tusk]

Nope, Celesa tm only before using dynamax

[azure idol]

On one hand I'd like the 400k, on the other hand I would be doomed with 541 tickets lmao

[cyan tusk]

I was like this

But I realised my bag is already cursed by custom 5* ppu I forgot to give to some units

So I’ll stay with a cursed bag forever and live with it

[mortal timber]

Won't be able to even approach 390k in theory, Imma grind to just go around 385k or more, my roster is almost done hahah

I blame 1/5 N

😂

[ornate turret]

top players are fighting just dropped 15 ranks in 24 hours

[sullen kestrel]

Hopefully it stays like that cant rlly go higher and im at like 6.6k

6,660

[mortal timber]

[maiden canopy]

Damn, Elek' with the 777 at the end tho

[rocky harbor]

Help

[cunning shore]

What's up?

[chilly flame]

[haughty haven]

How is everyone today ?

[chilly flame]

I have bad rng

[azure idol]

Cracked 400k. I can rest in peace

[hardy fog]

Haha and all I been trying to Crack is 300k 😂

[signal needle]

same rank

[azure idol]

Number 5 is too far out of reach for me

Also I surely will drop out top 10

But being in 400k club feels good

[hasty juniper]

So, what're the basic strength reqs for 180k with 3 electrics, or for 2 electrics?

[azure idol]

150/300 ish

(it's hearsay I didn't verify)

[main pulsar]

Can anyone bless me with a blue

[hasty juniper]

🔵

[haughty haven]

https://youtu.be/68ugkg9RePc?si=3CJyM_ac4T0kNgtI

[main pulsar]

Didn’t work

Unlucky

[haughty haven]

[maiden canopy]

Let's see where 302k will land me in the next 9.5 days

[sage galleon]

I'll certainly fall out of Master 10000 lmao

[ornate turret]

probably top 300-400, my score is also around that, at worst top 500, i don't see many people trying that hard, even 3/5 rats owner struggling to reach 300k

[maiden canopy]

Variety Kris havers will have their time to shine this HS

[main pulsar]

I just wanna be in the 1k

[ornate turret]

the score are so close tho, like top 100 and top 200 is just 10k

[maiden canopy]

What rank are you?

[ornate turret]

[main pulsar]

Damn don’t call me out like that

Uh I have to check now

[maiden canopy]

You mean the difference?

[ornate turret]

yeah

[forest ferry]

Skill issue

[ornate turret]

or something like that haven't checked again

[forest ferry]

Having 3/5 rats is instant 150k

[maiden canopy]

I'm currently at 177

[forest ferry]

Rest 3 teams can easily break another 150k

[ornate turret]

if you're close to 300k you're 100% in top 1000

[maiden canopy]

Any familiar faces?

[main pulsar]

I’m currently at 264

[maiden canopy]

Well, I see @plush raven at 218

[hardy fog]

I got 130 😂

I need to ex two more I’m going to try catch Blaze lol

[maiden canopy]

Oh and Johnein9019 and @topaz sleet

[ornate turret]

neighbor 179

[maiden canopy]

Oh, so you're Scarlet

[forest ferry]

I dropped like 10 ranks in a day

Top 100 impossible

[main pulsar]

I dropped 50

[ornate turret]

top 100 is 317k, top 200 is 300k, just 17k different

[maiden canopy]

I wonder if 302k with the rats, N and Bluedos makes sense

[forest ferry]

Too less

[main pulsar]

I lack blue

And have 290

[ornate turret]

low for 3/5 rats

[forest ferry]

Rats each is 75k per stage

[maiden canopy]

Those are my only limited units

[ornate turret]

mine are 1/5

[hardy fog]

Man I screwed up not saving my support candies

[forest ferry]

Blue can carry even smth like hau to another 70k

[hardy fog]

Nc blue 3/5 is min 80k

[forest ferry]

Zekrom and elesa are 65k range

[topaz sleet]

this is how i learned i dropped to the 200s

[maiden canopy]

Meh, I'm still lacking H. Jasmine and no Marnie

[main pulsar]

No

[forest ferry]

Yes

[maiden canopy]

And no V. Kris too obviously

[hardy fog]

My N team is so bad though. I’m wondering if I can change it… #1134233447167164517 message

[main pulsar]

explain then

[forest ferry]

Skill issue

No sstred

[maiden canopy]

My Elesa team is trash, only 290 STR

[main pulsar]

Ignore that part I’m working on a surge clear

[hardy fog]

What’s your Elesa team

[main pulsar]

I’m talking about 50k elesa and zekrom

[maiden canopy]

My team is in pinned

[forest ferry]

If I had bluedos I can run BP surge with Sonia and zekrom would hit 65k+

[hardy fog]

Bro honestly… my Elesa team was the hardest fight hahaha need to proc Paralyze on Sonia and tm on ss Elesa

[forest ferry]

[maiden canopy]

Oh wait, that's my Clemont team that has 290 STR

[forest ferry]

My hardest fight is Marnie

Coz no bluedos

[maiden canopy]

[main pulsar]

Elesa no shot can reach 65k on her own

[forest ferry]

Took 3 hrs yesterday for 470 str

And 2 hrs the day before for 450 str

All other comps only took 2 hrs max each

[maiden canopy]

My Marnie team is at 63.9k

[forest ferry]

[maiden canopy]

450 STR with Ash

[main pulsar]

500

Wait 600

[forest ferry]

My ash did 620 str vs elesa

[maiden canopy]

Maybe it's because I always use Volkner's ET before Marnie syncs

[main pulsar]

Even better

[forest ferry]

Oh wait, that's clemont

Vs elesa I used my worst comp

[main pulsar]

I can’t use ash on clemont

[forest ferry]

I actually want to swap ash and zekrom from their comps

But I doubt it'd be a noticable improvement

[maiden canopy]

I'm not sure how I can make my Clemont team better

[forest ferry]

You just go for -6 spd with electroweb for more debuff pts

[maiden canopy]

I mean my Vs. Clemont team

[forest ferry]

You aren't running lelesa vs clemont?

[maiden canopy]

Nein

Because I separated my L. Elesa and my OG Elesa for the mission

Tho, I still actually have EleSSa

[forest ferry]

The mission shouldn't be that hard tho

You have bluedos and rats
So you can try running bluedos+hau for Marnie, ash+lelesa+MC for clemont, zekrom+BPsurge+Sonia for elesa and rest of stuff vs volkner

Well it involves resetting 4 runs so if you don't want to it's totally fine

[knotty dew]

I'm ahead of you

[maiden canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-gif-11820664

[plush raven]

Wtf am i? Haha

Im 2.7k

[maiden canopy]

Oh?

Hmmmm, then it must be a different person

Sorry for the ping tho

[plush raven]

Must be

[outer latch]

Me Struggling to complete 180k 🙂

[cunning shore]

I don't think I can change much. best upgrade I can possibly manage is like 4-7k. If i want more I either need CElesa or to somehow be bestowed a SSHau accidentally by Dena

[cunning shore]

You got Electric stacked?

[outer latch]

??

[outer latch]

Gear?

[cunning shore]

What is your electric roster like

[forest ferry]

Just gamble in celesa banner

[cunning shore]

No gems

[forest ferry]

Shell probs not rerun for another 2 years

[cunning shore]

Welp

[forest ferry]

Just throw 3k gems whenever you get

[arctic quest]

Or she'll show up in a random select on NY

[cunning shore]

Worthless to me by then

[forest ferry]

I am likely rolling NCleaf next

[cunning shore]

Although can help in LG ngl

[cunning shore]

That's the reason I have no gems

[forest ferry]

Coz can't even roll blue until after the HS ends

And blue is useless after this event

Coz I don't tryhard other contents as much

[cunning shore]

Blue and useless in the same sentence, never thought I would live to see that

[forest ferry]

Well only recurring content is CS

And I have been using same 5 teams for like more than a year already

[cunning shore]

LG

!

[main pulsar]

I really don’t want to whale

Aaaaaaa

[forest ferry]

I don't tryhard LG

[cunning shore]

Don't whake

[forest ferry]

I'll bother with LG if they allow lucky skills for different grid presets

[main pulsar]

Isn’t that really boring

[cunning shore]

If you're anywhere above 1k you get the medal

[main pulsar]

I already have it

I just wanna get blue

[cunning shore]

I wish... my lucky cookies have taken so much damage

[cunning shore]

Blue stays till next month

[forest ferry]

Yea well
I play this game to sate my gacha addiction

[cunning shore]

Well early next month

[forest ferry]

[main pulsar]

I see

[forest ferry]

So that I don't clown in other gachas I play

[main pulsar]

I find the combat rather enjoyable

[forest ferry]

2% rate too good

[forest ferry]

Why do people not have lodge elesa

[main pulsar]

They don’t like her I suppose

[outer latch]

Can anyone help to complete 180k

[forest ferry]

This is like 7th HS help I've seen without lodge elesa and BP clemont

Get lodge elesa, BP clemont, BP soph and try with mono electric comps

[cunning shore]

That's a rough squad

But it can work

[outer latch]

I have that I think

[forest ferry]

Offtype is axed harder

Yea but you didn't use em at all

[outer latch]

🥲 yess

[forest ferry]

You need 400+ str for 1 offtype , 2 ontype to give 36k score range this time

Due to shit conditions

Try to mono electric as much as possible

[main pulsar]

Go use them

Because why wouldn’t you

[cunning shore]

Does Palentina have access to Paralyze?

[forest ferry]

Yes

[cunning shore]

Makes sense

[forest ferry]

Go viral stun spore iirc

[haughty haven]

So you must ready for Fire HS

[forest ferry]

I don't have Tina

[cunning shore]

I personally am 🗿

[forest ferry]

So fire HS will suk

I already feel the pain this HS for missing out on limited tanks

[cunning shore]

I think I got all fire units. Maybe.

Let me check actually lol.

[main pulsar]

I am not ready

Well I am ready

But I lack Tina

So I am not ready

[forest ferry]

Me only got like 4 limited fire units

[haughty haven]

I finally get Tina from Daily

[forest ferry]

Out of 10+ limited units

[cunning shore]

Yeah missing only 2.
A flareon and an Arcanine. Both Variety.

[haughty haven]

Ready for fire HS now

[haughty haven]

V pair

[forest ferry]

Hmmmm
Maybe I should gamble in pauloser banner for fire hs instead of NCleaf

[main pulsar]

I’m missing ssmay and hilda

[cunning shore]

I hate those fr

[main pulsar]

Otherwise I have everything

[haughty haven]

Me too

[maiden canopy]

Where would you put Volkner on?

[haughty haven]

Only pull Ball guy and get Proton from ticket

[main pulsar]

Unfortunately those happen to be the best fire pairs

And not anni N

[forest ferry]

Vs Marnie....I thought it was obvious

[maiden canopy]

Hmmmm ok

[forest ferry]

I have good grass roster

So grass HS is more doable for me

[cunning shore]

Honestly I would put Sonia, Marnie and N in the same stage vs Volkner. They can get you 50k.

Zebra and Volkner + support vs Celesa another 50k-ish

Then you can try to scrap 80k on 3 stages

[forest ferry]

But like
I am still missing the limited dpses and sslyra even for grass

[haughty haven]

I miss 4 grass pair

[forest ferry]

So I still can't compete

[main pulsar]

I’m missing the victor

Gg no re

[haughty haven]

No V pair

[main pulsar]

Ff 15

[main pulsar]

Missing ss leaf

Heretic

[forest ferry]

I only have ssleaf, adaman and bulu out of limiteds for grass

Missing every other limited grass unit

Gardenia dps time

[main pulsar]

I’m missing variety victor and queen of hearts

[haughty haven]

V victor ?

[main pulsar]

Add a comma

🫠

[azure idol]

Tina will be amazing for fire HS

[haughty haven]

My V pair roster

[azure idol]

Fire doesn't have many defensive supports

[forest ferry]

More like only option other than SSmorty to buff defenses

Eventho it's only +1 stats

[haughty haven]

I think when Fire HS happen, there will be OP Fire Support

More than SS Morty i think

[main pulsar]

I only have argent a

[haughty haven]

[azure idol]

Evelyn

[main pulsar]

Hehe

[forest ferry]

Oh yea

[cunning shore]

Only got Arianna myself lol.

[main pulsar]

Teeeeeechnically leaf is a support

[forest ferry]

I actually have 3/5 Evelyn

[azure idol]

Flannery can tank, and that's about it

[main pulsar]

Sometimes

[forest ferry]

[main pulsar]

[cunning shore]

You get it

Applause

Best F2P support at 3/5

[main pulsar]

I hope they dump 20 spotlights pairs on us

[forest ferry]

Both my Dana and Evelyn are 3/5
Will candy/throw tickets at Nita as well

[main pulsar]

They don’t need to be drasna or Olympia tier

Just give us spotlights to fill out the ranks

[maiden canopy]

Kabu when

[cunning shore]

Tbh I can't wait for 3/5 Olympia

Eventually.

[main pulsar]

I already have her

[cunning shore]

Damn psychic is fun

[haughty haven]

Still dont have Drasna and Olympia yet

[main pulsar]

Hughs been dodging me

[forest ferry]

My gen pool state looks like this as of now
0/5 : Gordie, Olympia
1/5 : Hugh, Colress, Drasna
2/5 : Looker, Courtney
Others 3/5+
Hopefully it'll improve during next half anni

[cunning shore]

0/5 Drasna
1/5 Olympia
Good on the rest

[maiden canopy]

My Hilbert is 1/5

[forest ferry]

Water HS already over anyways

[cunning shore]

I used up lots of tickets this Anniversary though

[forest ferry]

Will take atleast 3 years to return

[cunning shore]

If it even reruns lol

They might rerun it instead of very limited typings

LIKE FAIRY

[forest ferry]

Fairy is as good as pre sshau electric tho

It has some tanks and dps

And quite some debuffers

[maiden canopy]

SS Wally will prolly be the big one

[haughty haven]

I think Fini is must for HS Fairy

[forest ferry]

Sswally, NYlisia, ssmina are all top tier

[cunning shore]

When I don't have any Limited fairy types

[haughty haven]

I have 3

[forest ferry]

And stuff like palrena and diantha are pretty serviceable

[cunning shore]

Think my only type that I am completely lacking

[haughty haven]

[maiden canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bede-pokemon-bede-swsh-bede-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-gif-25779708

[cunning shore]

Ok I have one

[forest ferry]

Oh yea

Holiday Erika meta

[cunning shore]

I wish I had the Unicorn

[maiden canopy]

And y'all forgetting someone

[haughty haven]

Giga Impact go brrrr

[forest ferry]

Fairy looks pretty strong for hs

[azure idol]

1/5 Hol Erika AOE potion MPR meta

[main pulsar]

Fairy is ass

[forest ferry]

Like I can see fairy HS dropping before fire HS

Lol

[main pulsar]

So many fairy units are limited even more so than electric

[haughty haven]

Dont say that

[forest ferry]

Fire needs too many supports dropping at once

[maiden canopy]

20 fairy pairs total

[cunning shore]

If they do Fairy HS i ain't even gon bother going 1 point above 180k i swear xD

[haughty haven]

I'm scare

[forest ferry]

Fairy only needs like 1 or 2 dps

[main pulsar]

Diary is awful

[maiden canopy]

And I literally have exactly half

[main pulsar]

Fairy

[forest ferry]

Fairy has Holi Erika, NY lillie ssmina, pal dawn, sycamore for serviceable tanks

It's already as much as electric

[azure idol]

All of them are limited besides sycamore

[forest ferry]

They just have to shove in 2-3 dps

[main pulsar]

Exactly

[forest ferry]

Yea but fire is worse

[main pulsar]

The limited problem is even worse in fairy

[forest ferry]

Other than Evelyn, everyone is garbage

[maiden canopy]

Please grass HS next

[forest ferry]

[cyan tusk]

Herika, the biggest shafted unit ever

With sycamore released like the month after lmao

[forest ferry]

For budget options

[main pulsar]

Fire has other options

[forest ferry]

What options

[main pulsar]

Fairy does NOT

[forest ferry]

What budget tanks?

There's like 2

And one of those is BP 5*

[haughty haven]

Fairy has 3 non limited tank

[forest ferry]

Sycamore, Lillie and ?

[haughty haven]

Kali

[maiden canopy]

Kali is limited

[forest ferry]

Well Kali is time gated but yea

[urban reef]

Yeah

[forest ferry]

.......better than fucking fire lol

[main pulsar]

Kiawe

[forest ferry]

What are you gonna do for fire?

Marley tank?

Kiawe is ass without debuffers

[urban reef]

Nope Marley nuke

[azure idol]

Fire has Ethan

[forest ferry]

And fire lacks budget stat drops

[haughty haven]

Ethan dodge tank

[forest ferry]

Fire is worse state than fairy for Hs

I hope fire HS takes atleast another year

Too many dps

Not enuff tanks and debuffers

[main pulsar]

The best tank

[maiden canopy]

Grass HS, enuf said

[forest ferry]

I can't believe fairy is more F2P friendly than fire

[main pulsar]

Did

Sus

[haughty haven]

I just check something and see Poison-Dragon both just has 3 support

[forest ferry]

Yea but dragon has no F2P option

And poison only 1

Well poison can tank with debuffers atleast

[urban reef]

Drake

[forest ferry]

Venom drench OP

Drake suks

[main pulsar]

Fairy .ping

Png

[forest ferry]

He's worse than Bp surge

[main pulsar]

Png

[forest ferry]

And I already hate BP surge

[urban reef]

Yeah but he has something atleast

[main pulsar]

Diary is not better f2p

[haughty haven]

Next is Bug-Fighting-Ground-Flying with 4 support

[main pulsar]

I’m not controlling autocorrect anymore

[forest ferry]

Fairy is more F2P than fire

You can atleast debuff stats

What you gonna do for fire
Tank with ethan?

[main pulsar]

Your score will be infinitely worse because you have to offtype with other unit

Much lower multiplier

[forest ferry]

Yes

And fire has to bring offtype tanks

Compared to fairy

[urban reef]

Well you can speedrun with fire types

[forest ferry]

Coz fairy has stuff like charm

[main pulsar]

You can get reasonable strength and speedrun with a decent dps for fire

Fairy is tanking

And taking a very long time

[outer latch]

Thx let me try this.

[forest ferry]

Fire can't rush without whale stuff

And fairy has competent whale stuff as well

[haughty haven]

If Fairy ever has more stat debuff and more hit condition

It will be good

[forest ferry]

I don't think anyone is rushing with flint or silver

[main pulsar]

Silver is on. A much higher tier than flint

[forest ferry]

And if you bring stuff like ssmay, I can also mention sswally and NYlisia

[main pulsar]

[forest ferry]

Yea but that's the range budget fire is going for

Which is similar to budget fairy

[main pulsar]

Yeah and silver is quite competent

[azure idol]

I mean if even Ash can't rush high strength, then nobody can

[forest ferry]

Not at tankless run

[azure idol]

Unless you put 2 Ashes in the same team

[main pulsar]

If we assume f2p we ain’t going that high strength

Unreasonable

[forest ferry]

Only SSTred rushes high strength

And that's with more sync Accel stuff

Fire doesn't have sync Accel outside limited roster

Neither does fairy

They both are similar power level if you compare whale shit

And budget wise fairy has better way to outlive mono fire

[main pulsar]

I don’t know how strong fire hs would be exactly but I’m pretty sure silver could kill them within 2 sync cycles

At like 200ish strength

[brittle cosmos]

Silver can be quite support heavy, however

Since, for his sync, you need either Inertia or another sun setter

[forest ferry]

Silver already locked to Blaine if you don't have SSmorty

[brittle cosmos]

Preferably both

[forest ferry]

And Blaine means you run speed support

And only one at it is marley for fire

[maiden canopy]

Is it better to put SS Morty with Silver or separate them?

[forest ferry]

Probs together

Since I doubt there's gonna be more than 2 stages favouring sun

[brittle cosmos]

I think together and push for higher points

Even if your Flint will perform worse

The performance difference with Silver can be massive

[forest ferry]

Atleast 3 stages will have mobs doing fire moves

[brittle cosmos]

While Flint will always be kinda locked

To not too high

[forest ferry]

And those stages are big no no for silver and SSmorty anyways

If you are SSred owner and have SSmorty as well
I think SSred+Blaine will be one core and silver+SSmorty will be other

Other 3 teams will be sunless afterall

Or time the sun perfectly into last nuke

[brittle cosmos]

Tbh

[cunning shore]

Why sunless when you got NCLeaf 🗿

[brittle cosmos]

I think Fire might be one HS that people could consider going with one off-type unit

[forest ferry]

^ for NCleaf

[brittle cosmos]

Since Acerola can be quite huge at fixing some units

[forest ferry]

[cunning shore]

Does Variety units do sun

Imma cry if yes

[forest ferry]

Well current hs doesn't favor 1 offtype comp at all

[brittle cosmos]

Lucas and Flareon summon sun

[forest ferry]

Needs 400+ str

I struggled doing the offtype comp this time since they don't favor long fights and less hits being mandatory

[azure idol]

SS Morty + Lucas will be the fire 1k

[brittle cosmos]

Yeah, which is something Acerola would help

Alongside Acerola being a sun unit

[forest ferry]

SSmorty, Vlucas, silver for 1 team

Ez 110k

[brittle cosmos]

She lacks the multiplier, but she can make other units a LOT better

In this case

[haughty haven]

What VLucas has?

[cunning shore]

Silver won't sync much is he?

Sun

He has sun

[haughty haven]

Does he have debuff like other 2 ?

[forest ferry]

Well.....if you aren't running silver there you wouldn't run silver at all probs

He needs someone to buff for inertia

So if no SSmorty, you gonna have to run marley

[maiden canopy]

Do we have a grass unit with Venom Drench?

[forest ferry]

5/5 SSleaf

[brittle cosmos]

Nope

[main pulsar]

Kiawe has dashing team

[haughty haven]

No

[maiden canopy]

Welp, RIP poison stall BP Erika on grass HS

[forest ferry]

They'll throw in LP8 to stop SSleaf anyways

[azure idol]

I hope they add some new mechanics so we can do different things

[cunning shore]

Inb4 fire HS conditions are: allied units least hit 0/3000

[forest ferry]

Coz leaf has shit ton of debuff access

[azure idol]

Like stall, rush etc

Poison HS without stalling is not fun

[forest ferry]

Well Emma and oleana can make 2 different rush teams

[main pulsar]

Does current hs have lessen poison

[forest ferry]

LP10

[cunning shore]

Bruh

[forest ferry]

Well I know coz I actually tried to stall with oleana at one point

[haughty haven]

Other type seem hard

Dont even has 5 f2p support

[forest ferry]

Electric doesnt have 5 F2P tanks either

And one of those "tanks" is stuff like surge

[haughty haven]

Yes, it has 4

Ghost is a only type has 4 too

2 of them is dodge tank

[forest ferry]

They can bring dragon HS

If they release some limited tanks

Oh wait
Drasna is tech

I am fucking dumb

Nvm

Why is she tech

She has team dauntless

She should have been support

Goddamnit Dena

[haughty haven]

Because they think Toxic is for Tech

Dragon f2p so bad rn

[forest ferry]

Dragon F2P dps so good tho

[haughty haven]

Support

[forest ferry]

Arguably best

[haughty haven]

[forest ferry]

[haughty haven]

Only Drake is support

And he isn’t that good

[forest ferry]

Ssleon fishing for lucky 7 proc

[azure idol]

Lisia can tank

[haughty haven]

Oh yeah

I usually just use her for defog or some funny dmg dealer

[forest ferry]

Yea I was considering lisia, drake and drasna
Before I was disappointed

Dragon is just fire but worse

Too many dps
Not enuff tanks

[azure idol]

Iris endure tanking

[forest ferry]

Peak typing is bug
No dps, no tank

[sturdy glen]

wdym viola can debuff spa, buff spdef and has regen
/s

[main pulsar]

Electric has exactly 5 supports wdym

Sure one of them sucks

Real bad

But it counts

[forest ferry]

4*

Sselesa is tech unit

[main pulsar]

[forest ferry]

If you are counting her

[gleaming raven]

exactly 5 free supports

[forest ferry]

Youd never tank with her

Unless you bring another debuffer

[main pulsar]

I did

[forest ferry]

Or buffer

[gleaming raven]

she's not a tank but she's definitely a support

[main pulsar]

Yeah that

[knotty dew]

Just tank with ash tenacity

Obv

[forest ferry]

Yea
Fairy has shit ton of supports by that logic

I didn't mention Lillie for a reason

[main pulsar]

They functionally have 2 do they not

All the other fairy free units are tech

[forest ferry]

Yea but they all debuff

I tanked with surge for 600 str

[main pulsar]

Okay but they literally dont have a lot of supports

[forest ferry]

Coz spl atk debuff pog

[main pulsar]

[forest ferry]

Fairy has 4 budget access iirc
Lillie, lodge leaf, sycamore, Kali

[main pulsar]

Kali is technically limited

[gleaming raven]

Kali isn't super accessible

she's had one run and it was 8 months ago now

[forest ferry]

Skill issue

It's free so it counts

[main pulsar]

I have her but she’s still limited

[forest ferry]

Then I wouldn't count Evelyn for fire by that logic

Since she's heavily time gated as well

[gleaming raven]

yeah, i wouldnt either

[forest ferry]

And she isn't even top pick

[gleaming raven]

not if you're ranking by accessible rather than just free

[azure idol]

Valerie is OK

[forest ferry]

Well the argument is support

If tanking is factor
Fairy has atk and spl atk debuff options

So fairy is straight up better defensively

[main pulsar]

Okay but that doesn’t make it more f2p

[forest ferry]

Lodge Lillie, Mina are F2P

[azure idol]

Mmm support wiggly can buff both defenses if you count eggmon

[forest ferry]

You can enable bulky techs like Valerie to make work

With debuffs

You can't replicate that with most fire units

Even incl limited units, only bulky fire tech tanks are NCleaf and Flannery

And fire has no debuff access outside NCleaf and Vkiawe....

[main pulsar]

I’m certain you can but I am also just speculating so

[azure idol]

Fire has Serena who can carry a team

[main pulsar]

Eh

[main pulsar]

This

[forest ferry]

Gets wrecked by resilience

[main pulsar]

Fire doesn’t need to tank up they can just hit them very hard

[forest ferry]

So does fairy

[main pulsar]

Diary cannot

[forest ferry]

Fairy can

Fairy lives longer

Has enuff dps options